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orange
08-01-2011, 10:28 PM
A Reporter At Large
Getting Bin Laden
What happened that night in Abbottabad.by Nicholas Schmidle
August 8, 2011

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Shortly after eleven o’clock on the night of May 1st, two MH-60 Black Hawk helicopters lifted off from Jalalabad Air Field, in eastern Afghanistan, and embarked on a covert mission into Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden. Inside the aircraft were twenty-three Navy SEALs from Team Six, which is officially known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DEVGRU. A Pakistani-American translator, whom I will call Ahmed, and a dog named Cairo—a Belgian Malinois—were also aboard. It was a moonless evening, and the helicopters’ pilots, wearing night-vision goggles, flew without lights over mountains that straddle the border with Pakistan. Radio communications were kept to a minimum, and an eerie calm settled inside the aircraft.

Fifteen minutes later, the helicopters ducked into an alpine valley and slipped, undetected, into Pakistani airspace. For more than sixty years, Pakistan’s military has maintained a state of high alert against its eastern neighbor, India. Because of this obsession, Pakistan’s “principal air defenses are all pointing east,” Shuja Nawaz, an expert on the Pakistani Army and the author of “Crossed Swords: Pakistan, Its Army, and the Wars Within,” told me. Senior defense and Administration officials concur with this assessment, but a Pakistani senior military official, whom I reached at his office, in Rawalpindi, disagreed. “No one leaves their borders unattended,” he said. Though he declined to elaborate on the location or orientation of Pakistan’s radars—“It’s not where the radars are or aren’t”—he said that the American infiltration was the result of “technological gaps we have vis-à-vis the U.S.” The Black Hawks, each of which had two pilots and a crewman from the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment, or the Night Stalkers, had been modified to mask heat, noise, and movement; the copters’ exteriors had sharp, flat angles and were covered with radar-dampening “skin.”

The SEALs’ destination was a house in the small city of Abbottabad, which is about a hundred and twenty miles across the Pakistan border.



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BigChiefFan
08-01-2011, 10:56 PM
I'm glad they took a photo of Bin Laden being dead to PROVE he actually died. Oh wait, they didn't.

They also took him out to sea to be respectful of his religion, oh wait, that's not how Muslims do it.

They are respectful of his religion, but have no problem claiming he had porn, which goes against his supposed religion.

I'm glad they used actual footage. Oh wait, it's obviously CGI.

I'm glad a reporter was there to cover the story. Oh wait, this was a covert operation.

Yes, I'm certain they left an entire border unsecured to allow this to happen, even though they say in the article...
“No one leaves their borders unattended,” and —“It’s not where the radars are or aren’t”—yet, conviently “principal air defenses are all pointing east,”

The entire article is a contradiction.

orange
08-01-2011, 11:46 PM
“I’m glad no one was hurt in the crash, but, on the other hand, I’m sort of glad we left the helicopter there,” the special-operations officer said. “It quiets the conspiracy mongers out there and instantly lends credibility. You believe everything else instantly, because there’s a helicopter sitting there.”

The instant I read that, I thought, "this guy clearly doesn't know anything about conspiracy-monging."

Fishpicker
08-02-2011, 12:56 AM
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Donger
08-02-2011, 07:23 AM
Great read, orange. Thank you.

CaliforniaChief
08-02-2011, 09:02 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed the article. Thanks.

CoMoChief
08-02-2011, 05:57 PM
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BucEyedPea
08-02-2011, 06:16 PM
Great read, orange. Thank you.

:huh: Didn't the Brits do away with shillings?

Donger
08-02-2011, 06:21 PM
Wait, there's now a conspiracy theory about our SEALs NOT double-tapping bin Laden?

LMAO

kstater
08-02-2011, 06:26 PM
Wait, there's now a conspiracy theory about our SEALs NOT double-tapping bin Laden?

LMAO

You're shocked? I mean, there's a fucking conspiracy about two planes flying into a damn building even though the whole fucking world saw it happen on TV.

BucEyedPea
08-02-2011, 06:31 PM
Wait, there's now a conspiracy theory about our SEALs NOT double-tapping bin Laden?

LMAO

How many contradictions were there in the story and how many times was it changed? Most people spot inconsistencies like that, it doesn't make it a conspiracy just a bunch of possible lies. Besides, how does this fit the definition of a conspiracy anyway? Even conservatives who don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy don't trust Obama's version of events. Are you this trusting of govt or were you born with fleece on your chest?
Don't ever offer to do jury duty, we know you'll side with the prosecution because, well it's the state's version and that's always true.

My opinion, is we're not in a legal state of war so it wasn't legal. It has nothing to do with not being satisfied with OBL's death though.

BigChiefFan
08-02-2011, 06:34 PM
How many contradictions were there in the story and how many times was it changed? Most people spot inconsistencies like that, it doesn't make it a conspiracy just a bunch of possible lies. Even conservatives who don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy don't trust Obama
s version of events. Are you this trusting of govt or were you born with fleece on your chest?
Don't ever offer to do jury duty, we know you'll side with the prosecution because, well it's the state's version and that's always true.

My opinion, is we're not in a legal state of war so it wasn't legal. It has nothing to do with not being satisfied with OBL's death.Amen, sister. Let the sheep go back to grazing.

BucEyedPea
08-02-2011, 06:38 PM
Amen, sister. Let the sheep go back to grazing.

baaaaing with an English accent.

Donger
08-02-2011, 06:44 PM
How many contradictions were there in the story and how many times was it changed? Most people spot inconsistencies like that, it doesn't make it a conspiracy just a bunch of possible lies. Besides, how does this fit the definition of a conspiracy anyway? Even conservatives who don't think 9/11 was a conspiracy don't trust Obama's version of events. Are you this trusting of govt or were you born with fleece on your chest?
Don't ever offer to do jury duty, we know you'll side with the prosecution because, well it's the state's version and that's always true.

My opinion, is we're not in a legal state of war so it wasn't legal. It has nothing to do with not being satisfied with OBL's death though.

I'm not aware of any inconsistencies or contradictions in the details of the mission that killed bin Laden. From what I recall, it was relayed the next day that it was a heli-borne spec op mission with shooters with feet on ground in Pakistan.

Have you ever considered that your inherent and immediate mistrust of apparently everything that the government reports is, well, a little nuts?

Cannibal
08-02-2011, 08:25 PM
I want this fuckin war ended. But I am glad that Bin Laden was ventilated.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-02-2011, 11:23 PM
It's nice nice story and it belongs in the fiction section, pssst Bin Laden died in December 2001.

KCWolfman
08-03-2011, 01:31 AM
My goodness, this room is always full of conspiracy theories now.

BucEyedPea
08-03-2011, 04:51 AM
I'm not aware of any inconsistencies or contradictions in the details of the mission that killed bin Laden.
Figures

From what I recall, it was relayed the next day that it was a heli-borne spec op mission with shooters with feet on ground in Pakistan.

You apparently missed a lot of right wing complaints even on mainstream newsites about Obama's inconsistencies on the Obama shooting.

Have you ever considered that your inherent and immediate mistrust of apparently everything that the government reports is, well, a little nuts?

I don't mistrust "everything" they say but many things—especially today. Especially after Iraq, the Big Bank Bailout, and the current debt deal. And it hasn't been done without a lack of research on finding out more that tends not to be reported by the state's handmaiden—the mainstream media or how history gets written—the winners write it.

You trust "everything" they say which is nuts. I don't think you have ever questioned the govt on anything. That's what's nuts.
It's like you live in the Truman Show.

I mean since when do conservatives claim to trust everything or even most of what the govt says? They don't. This is an inherent part of conservativism to be skeptical of politicians and the state. That's healthy. You claim to be one but really you come across more like a complete statist. You worship government.

Don't misread me again, I didn't say I don't think OBL is dead. I just know that constantly changing one's story is not a good sign. A govt prosecutor would be all over someone who was doing that.

Remember the saying Donger: Q: How do you know a politician is lying? A: His lips are moving.

BucEyedPea
08-03-2011, 04:58 AM
My goodness, this room is always full of conspiracy theories now.
The only one I am aware of is the 9/11 one. I don't think mistrusting of Obama's changing his story so often on this one falls under conspiracy which has to involve a crime that's kept secret among a few. He may just want to look good for the election.
You don't think a politician wouldn't do something like that?

Then again there are agendas and hidden agendas which don't rise to the level of conspiracy but could create a problem or barrier if many people were onto what someone's real plan is. As far as I am concerned everyone has an agenda in politics.
How one tries to implement it isn't always out in the open by politicians. That's not a conspiracy though and it is common in politics.

The problem with the word "conspiracy" these days is that too many people throw it around while using it incorrectly which is really designed to cast aspersions over the other person's sanity. ( See Donger's reliance on calling people "nuts") Of course, this is more often done by those who adore and love the state whether it's the progressives on the left or the right for war and obsession with national security. Like it or not but those are the two extremes and they're the two sharing power in recent years.

BucEyedPea
08-03-2011, 05:25 AM
"In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies."~ Winston Churchill

Donger
08-03-2011, 07:27 AM
You apparently missed a lot of right wing complaints even on mainstream newsites about Obama's inconsistencies on the Obama shooting.

Yes, apparently. Again, what inconsistencies?

BucEyedPea
08-03-2011, 08:56 AM
Yes, apparently. Again, what inconsistencies?

Use the search here to find past statements or look it up using google. Most right=wing sites should be enough.

durtyrute
08-03-2011, 09:44 AM
....happened years ago.

BigChiefFan
08-06-2011, 11:07 PM
The only one I am aware of is the 9/11 one. I don't think mistrusting of Obama's changing his story so often on this one falls under conspiracy which has to involve a crime that's kept secret among a few. He may just want to look good for the election.
You don't think a politician wouldn't do something like that?

Then again there are agendas and hidden agendas which don't rise to the level of conspiracy but could create a problem or barrier if many people were onto what someone's real plan is. As far as I am concerned everyone has an agenda in politics.
How one tries to implement it isn't always out in the open by politicians. That's not a conspiracy though and it is common in politics.

The problem with the word "conspiracy" these days is that too many people throw it around while using it incorrectly which is really designed to cast aspersions over the other person's sanity. ( See Donger's reliance on calling people "nuts") Of course, this is more often done by those who adore and love the state whether it's the progressives on the left or the right for war and obsession with national security. Like it or not but those are the two extremes and they're the two sharing power in recent years.
Excellent post. Well said.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-06-2011, 11:41 PM
My goodness, the days where the corporate media told the truth are gone.

FYP! ;)