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KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:10 AM
Dude, I think we could go deep in the playoffs. Really deep. I think the Pats could be a good matchup for us, and we could get past them. I also think a huge in-season statement game will be beating the pats on MNF. So if we ended with the 3rd seed, in theory I think we'd get a team like the Jags, Houston, Jets or Ravens. Maybe Chargers. We could beat these guys, take the Pats out, then it's just maybe Pit or Bal standing in our way.

I have a new found confidence in Cassel. I think he'll being himself to a top performance in the playoffs this year after easily winning the AFC West. (I doubt SD, Oak, Or Den go more than 8-8).

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:12 AM
Some stat guy got anything to back me or up? Or am I crazy tired?

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:15 AM
And I understand in the playoffs it's top QB survives.

Let's look at us Vs NYJ. I bet my organs Cassel outduels Sanchez. When Baldwin plays up to expectations, there's no way a team like the Jets will beat us.

DavidM7703
08-03-2011, 01:16 AM
I heard an interesting theory about Justin Houston's holdout. If his agent knows that he would fail another drug test after he signed, that might explain why his agent wouldn't want him to sign yet.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:17 AM
Pittsburgh.

James Harrison is right. Ben thinks he's Peyton Manning. He's not. That's why we'll beat them. I think our O should hold it's own, and I see nothing that indicates Ruthlessraper can beat our D with his current level of play. Tamba will fuck his world up all the to a fumble recovery TD.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:17 AM
Slow your roll.

I'm really bullish on Cassel. I think the biggest steps he's taken in the past offseason wasn't psychical, it wasn't anything he did in drills, it wasn't any weight lifting or any time he spent with Baldwin or what.

Those things all helped. I think the biggest step forward he's taken has been psychological.

Vrabel's gone, Waters is gone. He's the cock of the walk, so to speak. He took initiative all offseason. He rode the tide of goodwill from a playoff berth and a Pro Bowl appearance. He got ~40 of his teammates to show up for absolutely zero money and he alone conducted the practice.

This is no longer nominally his team. It is now his team on every level a QB can have a team this early in the game. And it's the first time he's ever experienced this.

I've played sports all my life and I cannot overstate how importance this gigantic this gain is psychologically. Add Zorn in to work specifically with him, give him three huge targets and a savvy vet in the slot, and an All Pro running back, and you've got really special potential for this guy.

I don't know if that will show up in the win column, but I don't think we're going to see any more sub-100 yard games from Cassel. No more disasters, just rough games, good games, and very good games. And that's a very important step forward for him, and this franchise by extension.

I'm saying 9-7 is what this team should shoot for with all the youth and the stalled development thanks to the lockout.

I've started countless threads on this, but there may be no team better built for the next ten years based on the past two years than the Chiefs. But the immediate success? Be patient, is all I'm saying.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:18 AM
I heard an interesting theory about Justin Houston's holdout. If his agent knows that he would fail another drug test after he signed, that might explain why his agent wouldn't want him to sign yet.

That's exactly what I was just telling somebody earlier. Bet he's dirty, was counting on the lockout lasting longer and he's trying to flush right now. Perhaps the same reasoning with all the unsigned 7th rounders. Fucking Junkies.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:21 AM
That's exactly what I was just telling somebody earlier. Bet he's dirty, was counting on the lockout lasting longer and he's trying to flush right now. Perhaps the same reasoning with all the unsigned 7th rounders. ****ing Junkies.

Ha, I don't know how big of a bone head Houston is. I really don't.

I'm just going to say it's money, he wants 1st round money but the Chiefs are holding out for where he was drafted.

As a result, however, he's killing any chance he might have been a productive guy in 2011.

Basically, he's going to be a rookie for the next two years if he misses much more of this training camp.

Pawnmower
08-03-2011, 01:22 AM
welcome back you sexy beast


i missed you

please dont get b& again

because "i dont wanna lose you tonight"

<3

pawnmower

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KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:23 AM
Slow your roll.

I'm really bullish on Cassel. I think the biggest steps he's taken in the past offseason wasn't psychical, it wasn't anything he did in drills, it wasn't any weight lifting or any time he spent with Baldwin or what.

Those things all helped. I think the biggest step forward he's taken has been psychological.

Vrabel's gone, Waters is gone. He's the cock of the walk, so to speak. He took initiative all offseason. He rode the tide of goodwill from a playoff berth and a Pro Bowl appearance. He got ~40 of his teammates to show up for absolutely zero money and he alone conducted the practice.

This is no longer nominally his team. It is now his team on every level a QB can have a team this early in the game. And it's the first time he's ever experienced this.

I've played sports all my life and I cannot overstate how importance this gigantic this gain is psychologically. Add Zorn in to work specifically with him, give him three huge targets and a savvy vet in the slot, and an All Pro running back, and you've got really special potential for this guy.

I don't know if that will show up in the win column, but I don't think we're going to see any more sub-100 yard games from Cassel. No more disasters, just rough games, good games, and very good games. And that's a very important step forward for him, and this franchise by extension.

I'm saying 9-7 is what this team should shoot for with all the youth and the stalled development thanks to the lockout.

I've started countless threads on this, but there may be no team better built for the next ten years based on the past two years than the Chiefs. But the immediate success? Be patient, is all I'm saying.

Ok. But regardless of what they should shoot for, I really see this team progressing quickly. If you look at the schedule, consider the lockout, consider the coaching and how prepared each team will be in light of it, this is our schedule. And it looks so rough on paper, that if we pull 11 or 12 wins, Pioli just walked on water.

Well, get ready to crown him then. When Cassel shows he's thew guy Scott wants him to be, we're every bit as good as the top AFC teams. And I think that time could be now.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:26 AM
Ha, I don't know how big of a bone head Houston is. I really don't.

I'm just going to say it's money, he wants 1st round money but the Chiefs are holding out for where he was drafted.

As a result, however, he's killing any chance he might have been a productive guy in 2011.

Basically, he's going to be a rookie for the next two years if he misses much more of this training camp.

Oh, no doubt he wants first round money. He never thought he'd drop so low.

But you know potheads, right? They put everything off.

So and so said the lockout might not be over untill mid august. I can have this weed out of my system by then and still smoke untill late july. Oh shit, oops, you want me to sign today? Hold up...

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:27 AM
Ok. But regardless of what they should shoot for, I really see this team progressing quickly. If you look at the schedule, consider the lockout, consider the coaching and how prepared each team will be in light of it, this is our schedule. And it looks so rough on paper, that if we pull 11 or 12 wins, Pioli just walked on water.

Well, get ready to crown him then. When Cassel shows he's thew guy Scott wants him to be, we're every bit as good as the top AFC teams. And I think that time could be now.

I don't think that time is now, and the schedule is precisely why.

When I look at the schedule, consider the lockout, and how prepared each team wl be in light of it, I don't conclude that "this is our schedule." I conclude the exact opposite.

I'm not concerned with the talent of other teams. On paper, we are every bit as talented as nearly all of the teams we'll face this season.

The problem is, we're facing a ton of veteran teams whose leaders are experienced vets. Our talent is young, and still developing, and stalled by the lockout. Teams like the Chiefs are exactly the kinds of teams that will be regressing this year.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:29 AM
Maybe I'm understating the nature of the NFL. I think the Vets will get screwed by the lockout. Get lazy, lose their rhythm. The young teams could use their finesse to over-excel against older, tired teams.

Pawnmower
08-03-2011, 01:31 AM
I don't think that time is now, and the schedule is precisely why.

When I look at the schedule, consider the lockout, and how prepared each team wl be in light of it, I don't conclude that "this is our schedule." I conclude the exact opposite.

I'm not concerned with the talent of other teams. On paper, we are every bit as talented as nearly all of the teams we'll face this season.

The problem is, we're facing a ton of veteran teams whose leaders are experienced vets. Our talent is young, and still developing, and stalled by the lockout. Teams like the Chiefs are exactly the kinds of teams that will be regressing this year.

Yeh, i get alot of my perspective from chess.....but

You cant be a goood team without beating good teams. You cant beat good teams until you play them, and learn what it takes. We did'nt really get too many chances last season to do that....This season we find out if we will, or can grow into a good team. Period.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:33 AM
Maybe it's because I'm young and I think if me and some other people my age were thrown into a football game against thirty year olds with no game planning and no stretching that we would easily come out on top. Even though they've been playing pickup games for ten more years than us.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:33 AM
The odds I give each game.

Bills -- 90% Chiefs win
@Lions -- 40% Chiefs win
@Chargers -- 50% Chiefs win
Vikings -- 60% Chiefs win
@Colts -- 30% Chiefs win
bye
@Raiders -- 55% Chiefs win
Chargers -- 25% Chiefs win
Dolphins -- 75% Chiefs win
Broncos -- 90% Chiefs win
@Patriots -- 10% Chiefs win
Steelers -- 20% Chiefs win
@Bears -- 35% Chiefs win
@Jets -- 1% Chiefs win
Packers -- 30% Chiefs win
Raiders -- 60% Chiefs win
@Broncos -- 60% Chiefs win

So if the Chiefs play up to my expectations, that's seven games they should win, and a 50/50 game. If they can get an upset here or there, that lands them a good 9-7 season.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:34 AM
Yeh, i get alot of my perspective from chess.....but

You cant be a goood team without beating good teams. You cant beat good teams until you play them, and learn what it takes. We did'nt really get too many chances last season to do that....This season we find out if we will, or can grow into a good team. Period.

Yup.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:34 AM
Maybe it's because I'm young and I think if me and some other people my age were thrown into a football game against thirty year olds with no game planning and no stretching that we would easily come out on top. Even though they've been playing pickup games for ten more years than us.

No game planning?

No stretching?

Buddy, you're comparing apples to apple orchards.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:37 AM
It's really not that bad of a schedule until the last seven games of the year.

Then the stretch gets absolutely brutal in some really tough places to play.

We'll need to steal a game in there somewhere for me to feel encouraged by the direction this team is headed.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:39 AM
40% on the Lions? Why is everybody rising them so hard?

1 % on the Jets? Yeah right, that's our matchup. You know we would've stood a MUCH greater chance against NY in the playoffs. And my money says Sanchez gets to comfortable and takes a few steps back this year.

MoreLemonPledge
08-03-2011, 01:42 AM
40% on the Lions? Why is everybody rising them so hard?

The Lions have built a playoff-caliber team. They're legit, especially that front 7. As long as Stafford stays healthy (which is hardly a sure thing), they could win 10 games.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:42 AM
I'm really sitting here not understanding how you don't see 4-0 probably 5-0.

MoreLemonPledge
08-03-2011, 01:44 AM
Bills -- W
@Lions -- L
@Chargers -- L
Vikings -- W
@Colts -- W
bye
@Raiders -- L
Chargers -- W
Dolphins -- W
Broncos -- W
@Patriots -- L
Steelers -- L
@Bears -- W
@Jets -- L
Packers -- L
Raiders -- W
@Broncos -- W

That's how I see it shaping up... 9-7 and good enough to win the division again.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:45 AM
40% on the Lions? Why is everybody rising them so hard?

1 % on the Jets? Yeah right, that's our matchup. You know we would've stood a MUCH greater chance against NY in the playoffs. And my money says Sanchez gets to comfortable and takes a few steps back this year.

Well we were never paired to play the Jets in any conceivable situation. It was either going to be the Ravens visiting us, or the Colts. And I would have taken the Colts any day of the week, but we got our asses handed to us by the Raiders in Week 17 and here comes the Ravens.

I'd give us a less-than-equal chance of beating the Lions on the road. Our team will still be gelling, the Lions don't have to put up with nearly that much. The QB, the RB, the WRs, and tackles are still the same. And Suh will chew up everyone he lines up against -- although I think Asamoah's really nasty attitude could be our best chance against him.

The Jets game. Forget it. We do not have the elite talent needed to function against that defense. Their offense is the exact kind of offense we struggle against, too -- a grind it out offense that wears down our defensive line.

Once we get more proven and experienced talent on the DL, especially at the nose position, these teams will grind us down. Fortunately, I think brighter days are ahead as soon as our talent develops there, but it won't develop overnight.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:45 AM
I'm really sitting here not understanding how you don't see 4-0 probably 5-0.

We can't beat Manning in Indy. Period.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:47 AM
Bills -- W
@Lions -- L
@Chargers -- L
Vikings -- W
@Colts -- W
bye
@Raiders -- L
Chargers -- W
Dolphins -- W
Broncos -- W
@Patriots -- L
Steelers -- L
@Bears -- W
@Jets -- L
Packers -- L
Raiders -- W
@Broncos -- W

That's how I see it shaping up... 9-7 and good enough to win the division again.

Conceivable.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:48 AM
The Colts won their division, we couldn't play them. Had we beat the Raiders, we would've played the jets.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:49 AM
I really think we take at New England. Matt then gets fined for middle finger fiasco.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:51 AM
The Colts won their division, we couldn't play them. Had we beat the Raiders, we would've played the jets.

Well then we lose either way.

We signed a starting WR five days before the game, Kurt.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:54 AM
Well then we lose either way.

We signed a starting WR five days before the game, Kurt.

That's a fair point. Revis shuts down bowe and we're screwed. Okay.

But not this year. Hali and our secondary will make Sanchez shit his pants on a whole new level. That kid is fucked when he sees us. The Brandons and Berry will be on fire and Hali in such a rythm he should probably just stay home. And we have more than Bowe this year. Not to mention Charles. Jamaal Fucking Charles. That guy.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 01:58 AM
That's a fair point. Revis shuts down bowe and we're screwed. Okay.

But not this year. Hali and our secondary will make Sanchez shit his pants on a whole new level. That kid is ****ed when he sees us. The Brandons and Berry will be on fire and Hali in such a rythm he should probably just stay home. And we have more than Bowe this year. Not to mention Charles. Jamaal ****ing Charles. That guy.

You need more elite talent on your offense to face off against the aberration that is the Jets defense. Charles is an excellent first step, but either Bowe or Baldwin need to elevate to the next level, Albert needs to clamp down the left side like the franchise LT he could be, or Cassel needs to have the game of his life.

Because you can't just do business as usual against this team. They are the best defense in the NFL, and perhaps the best the league's seen in a few years.

We could have that. Cassel still has a ways to go. Bowe hasn't peaked yet. Baldwin's potential is sky high. But we need time for it all to develop.

The Jets offense will be grounded against our excellent pass defense, but their run game will give us fits in the second half. It's a very, very tough run game and that's our weakness because we lack experience and true depth on the DL.

Now, we could have that special kind of depth, and be loaded with talent. We have the players with potential for it. But we need time for it all to develop.

As of now, we stand no chance against Gang Green.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 02:03 AM
Well, then it's a good thing al the tough games are late in the year once we've already found our footing. I think we'll fare better than expected.

MoreLemonPledge
08-03-2011, 02:06 AM
I'm just excited by the fact that one can reasonably expect this team to contend with the NFL's best. If you had said that 3 years ago, everyone would have thought you were crazy.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 02:10 AM
Well, then it's a good thing al the tough games are late in the year once we've already found our footing. I think we'll fare better than expected.

Possible. The game will stay close because the Jets won't actually get good yardage until the second half. (We should totally dig this thread up after the game to see how accurate our predictions are.)

The good news is, as you say, the experience of the previous games so far. Very important, and I think we've got better depth at nose and at the end positions. Especially the end positions, with a pumped up Gilberry, Allen Bailey, and my favorite UDFA, Brandon Bair.

The nose position is going to be troublesome, just because Gregg will probably be useless at this time of the year. I suspect we will be giving a ton of snaps to Powe at this point, and he's going to suck for a while before he gets any good.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 02:10 AM
I'm just excited by the fact that one can reasonably expect this team to contend with the NFL's best. If you had said that 3 years ago, everyone would have thought you were crazy.

Agreed...

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 02:14 AM
Possible. The game will stay close because the Jets won't actually get good yardage until the second half. (We should totally dig this thread up after the game to see how accurate our predictions are.)

The good news is, as you say, the experience of the previous games so far. Very important, and I think we've got better depth at nose and at the end positions. Especially the end positions, with a pumped up Gilberry, Allen Bailey, and my favorite UDFA, Brandon Bair.

The nose position is going to be troublesome, just because Gregg will probably be useless at this time of the year. I suspect we will be giving a ton of snaps to Powe at this point, and he's going to suck for a while before he gets any good.

This is a good post. I guess we'll see.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 02:37 AM
So.


...looks like you are back.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 02:42 AM
So.

...looks like you are back.

Hm. I'm going to assume this was addressed to someone other than me.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 02:43 AM
So.


...looks like you are back.

How's it holding up, Zack?

aturnis
08-03-2011, 02:49 AM
Leaving forever are we...?

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 02:53 AM
Leaving forever are we...?

That thread was edited the next day. Bad night. Internet drama, welcome to it.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 03:01 AM
Hm. I'm going to assume this was addressed to someone other than me.

We couldn't get rid of you if we wanted to.

:p ;)

SNR
08-03-2011, 03:02 AM
The odds I give each game.

Bills -- 90% Chiefs win
@Lions -- 40% Chiefs win
@Chargers -- 50% Chiefs win
Vikings -- 60% Chiefs win
@Colts -- 30% Chiefs win
bye
@Raiders -- 55% Chiefs win
Chargers -- 25% Chiefs win
Dolphins -- 75% Chiefs win
Broncos -- 90% Chiefs win
@Patriots -- 10% Chiefs win
Steelers -- 20% Chiefs win
@Bears -- 35% Chiefs win
@Jets -- 1% Chiefs win
Packers -- 30% Chiefs win
Raiders -- 60% Chiefs win
@Broncos -- 60% Chiefs win

So if the Chiefs play up to my expectations, that's seven games they should win, and a 50/50 game. If they can get an upset here or there, that lands them a good 9-7 season.The Bears game is too low. That team isn't going to win 8 games this year I'll bet.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 03:11 AM
I think in the NFL any % chances < 20% or > 80% are bogus. The line between winning and losing is simply too thin.

MagicHef
08-03-2011, 03:17 AM
This thread is hilarious.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 03:21 AM
This thread is hilarious.
Like...we don't know who our QB is or what we are trying to do hilarious?

MagicHef
08-03-2011, 03:24 AM
Like...we don't know who are QB is or what we are trying to do hilarious?

OK, this is pretty good too.

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 03:26 AM
I'm lost.

I feel like I no longer have a place in this conversation.

MagicHef
08-03-2011, 03:37 AM
I'm lost.

I feel like I no longer have a place in this conversation.

You never really did have a place in this conversation, it was just Cassel's incredible leadership making you feel like you did.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 03:48 AM
You never really did have a place in this conversation, it was just Cassel's incredible leadership making you feel like you did.

Whenever we figure out who your QB is or what the hell they are up to we will try to produce some zingers just like this.

SNR
08-03-2011, 04:18 AM
I'm lost.

I feel like I no longer have a place in this conversation.Don't let anyone ever let you feel that way, sweetie.

MagicHef
08-03-2011, 04:21 AM
Whenever we figure out who your QB is or what the hell they are up to we will try to produce some zingers just like this.

Promise?

SNR
08-03-2011, 04:25 AM
Promise?Sure, we'll do something like offer you Ricky Stanzi in exchange for something totally unreasonable. It'll be great, trust me.

milkman
08-03-2011, 06:13 AM
Jets defense.

Because you can't just do business as usual against this team. They are the best defense in the NFL, and perhaps the best the league's seen in a few years.

Rex Ryan is probably the best defensive mind in the game right now and does a great job of scheming against his opponents' strengths.

But to call that defense the "best" and "perhaps the best the league has seen in a few years" is absolutely ridiculous.

A team with offensive balance can take advantage of that defense because they can't sell out against the run to send everyone after the QB.

Without all out blitzes, the Jets have no pass rush.

Without those blitzes, then QBs have all day to burn their secondary.

Revis is going to shut down whoever he lines up against, but the rest of that secondary, including Cromartie, is just a bonfire waiting for the torch.

Reaper16
08-03-2011, 09:35 AM
I don't know why we're counting the in-division games as locks. You guys remember last year, right?

Direckshun
08-03-2011, 09:41 AM
Don't let anyone ever let you feel that way, sweetie.

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Coogs
08-03-2011, 10:16 AM
I'm really sitting here not understanding how you don't see 4-0 probably 5-0.


If you can get us to 4-0, then you can surely get us the first 4 games after the BYE week as well... at Oakland, then home for San Diego, Miami, and Denver. 8-1 or 9-0 after 9 games!

Damn! That would be awesome and set up some must see TV nationally the next 5 weeks!

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 10:18 AM
I don't know why we're counting the in-division games as locks. You guys remember last year, right?

Every year, dude. Every fucking year.

Every year the majority of this fanbase thinks we're going to sweep Oakland and/or Denver and split with SD.

I guess one of these years when it actually happens, they'll dislocate their shoulders trying to pat themselves on the back.

Delano
08-03-2011, 10:20 AM
I guess one of these years when it actually happens, they'll dislocate their shoulders trying to pat themselves on the back.

The irony.
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SNR
08-03-2011, 11:21 AM
Every year, dude. Every fucking year.

Every year the majority of this fanbase thinks we're going to sweep Oakland and/or Denver and split with SD.

I guess one of these years when it actually happens, they'll dislocate their shoulders trying to pat themselves on the back.3-3 isn't good enough in the division. Not this year. If we expect playoffs, we have to do 4-2 or better. That means sweeping one of our opponents.

Vermeil's soft ass teams have done it before. Why can't we?

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 11:27 AM
3-3 isn't good enough in the division. Not this year. If we expect playoffs, we have to do 4-2 or better. That means sweeping one of our opponents.

Vermeil's soft ass teams have done it before. Why can't we?

Not saying we can't. I'm saying it rarely happens.

This division plays each other tough. Doesn't matter if we're talking about a 8-1 team playing a 2-7 team. There are no guaranteed wins in this division, IMO.

Yet every year, people predict we're going to sweep the Raiders and/or Broncos - and it never happens.

FWIW, I agree with you. To make the playoffs, we have to go 4-2 at minimum inside the division.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:28 PM
I say we could sweep San Diego.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 01:31 PM
If you can get us to 4-0, then you can surely get us the first 4 games after the BYE week as well... at Oakland, then home for San Diego, Miami, and Denver. 8-1 or 9-0 after 9 games!

Damn! That would be awesome and set up some must see TV nationally the next 5 weeks!

I don't know. Three of those games you just mentioned are in Division. I think the at San Diego game is a lock IMO, but the Monday Night game isn't. That team heats up around that time and they are excellent underdogs.

I'm thinking 6-3 or 7-2 after nine games.

SNR
08-03-2011, 01:36 PM
If you can get us to 4-0, then you can surely get us the first 4 games after the BYE week as well... at Oakland, then home for San Diego, Miami, and Denver. 8-1 or 9-0 after 9 games!

Damn! That would be awesome and set up some must see TV nationally the next 5 weeks!If they do that well, then I'm expecting at least 2 wins in that Patriots/Jets/Bears/Packers stretch.

My expectations for this year include doing better than .500 in the division and not melting and playing small pussy vagina ball against good teams. We've got to beat some of them during the regular season.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 03:12 PM
It's a fail if we don't win 10 games.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 03:14 PM
It's a fail if we don't win 10 games.

Eh, depends on post season success.

Estron
08-03-2011, 09:14 PM
Wow.

Is this the same place where so many people Cassell sucked, Cassell was the single worst mistake the team ever made, and Cassell hadn't shown them anything yet?

Now it's what they used to call a love-feast.

What happened?

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 09:16 PM
Wow.

Is this the same place where so many people Cassell sucked, Cassell was the single worst mistake the team ever made, and Cassell hadn't shown them anything yet?

Now it's what they used to call a love-feast.

What happened?

Mark Castle sucks ass!