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swayy07
08-03-2011, 02:54 PM
adamteicher Adam Teicher
Chiefs agree to terms with FB LeRon McClain. Story here: chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1763

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 02:54 PM
Print 'Em!

Brock
08-03-2011, 02:54 PM
That's good.

Red Brooklyn
08-03-2011, 02:54 PM
Well, there you go.

Sure-Oz
08-03-2011, 02:54 PM
I like it

the Talking Can
08-03-2011, 02:54 PM
huzzah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ChiefsNow
08-03-2011, 02:55 PM
I'm good with it:LOL:

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 02:55 PM
This is a really good thing.

Solid signing, Charles is going for the MVP this year.

the Talking Can
08-03-2011, 02:55 PM
i love it

Charles
McClain
Bowe
Breaston
Baldwin
Moeaki
McCluster


yeah....

bevischief
08-03-2011, 02:56 PM
To the ship!!!!!

Superturtle
08-03-2011, 02:56 PM
Wonder if he will be a FB or RB. Dude has a set of pretty fast wheels and can catch out of the backfired if need be.

swayy07
08-03-2011, 02:56 PM
i think some of those tweets promising bbq convinced him to sign with us

BigCatDaddy
08-03-2011, 02:56 PM
Free agency passed us by!

MoreLemonPledge
08-03-2011, 02:56 PM
Hell yeah!

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 02:56 PM
So does this mean that we're carrying 4 backs?

Charles
Jones
McCluster

McClain - FB

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 02:57 PM
Now they just need to get Carr and Hali into camp and find a DE and we should be geared up and ready to go. Some OLB depth would be nice as well.

philfree
08-03-2011, 02:57 PM
Print 'Em!

That puts us right up there with Eagles! Chiefs vs Eagles Super Bowl.

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 02:57 PM
So does this mean that we're carrying 4 backs?

Charles
Jones
McCluster

McClain - FB

I'd think so. But doesn't one of those backs typically have to play ST?

Chiefshrink
08-03-2011, 02:57 PM
bye bye Mike Cox

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 02:57 PM
lol.

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 02:58 PM
Now they just need to get Carr and Hali into camp, find a DE and RT and we should be geared up and ready to go. Some OLB depth would be nice as well.

FYP

the Talking Can
08-03-2011, 02:59 PM
Now they just need to get Carr and Hali into camp and find a DE and we should be geared up and ready to go. Some OLB depth would be nice as well.

bingo

re-up Hali and Carr...i think we're actually ok at LB, assuming Houston shows up

could probably use a backup tackle

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 02:59 PM
Excellent signing.

I kinda hope it means the end of Thomas Jones.

ChiefsCountry
08-03-2011, 02:59 PM
I'd think so. But doesn't one of those backs typically have to play ST?

McMidget

Braincase
08-03-2011, 03:00 PM
bye bye Mike Cox

Mike Cox Severed!

oweeeeeeee.....

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 03:00 PM
bye bye Mike Cox

Aw man, that sucks.

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 03:00 PM
Excellent signing.

I kinda hope it means the end of Thomas Jones.

Somehow I don't think it will be. I think they'll keep Jones around until he hangs it up after this season.

McClain will probably get around 5-6 carries a game.

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 03:01 PM
McMidget

Yeah right. Not interested in seeing him trying to tackle on kick off returns.

the Talking Can
08-03-2011, 03:01 PM
i like that we're loading up on offense...

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 03:02 PM
Somehow I don't think it will be. I think they'll keep Jones around until he hangs it up after this season.

McClain will probably get around 5-6 carries a game.

I agree with this. I think they'll keep jones. But Battle/cox were ST contributers, now that they may be gone that likely means they'll need to keep an extra LB or Safety to fill that void.

Hydrae
08-03-2011, 03:02 PM
Yeah right. Not interested in seeing him trying to tackle on kick off returns.

My thought as well. Somehow don't see him as a gunner on the punt team. ROFL

bevischief
08-03-2011, 03:03 PM
Somehow I don't think it will be. I think they'll keep Jones around until he hangs it up after this season.

McClain will probably get around 5-6 carries a game.

They brought him in to help keep Jones fresh all season.

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 03:03 PM
Somehow I don't think it will be. I think they'll keep Jones around until he hangs it up after this season.

McClain will probably get around 5-6 carries a game.

In fairness - if it means that Charles gets 16 carries/gm, Jones gets 8 and McClain gets 6, I'm okay with that. I think Jones can keep the effectiveness he had for the first 1/2 of last season for a lot longer if we use McClain to significantly lessen his 'power back' load.

And w/ McClain's FB ability, it's not like he'd be underutilized. With him out there as a legitimate threat to run the ball from the FB position, even McCluster is more valuable as a HB as teams would be less likely to key in on him as a pass-catcher out of the backfield.

McClain really does a lot to make this offense more effective overall. He's a very nice pickup.

Pants
08-03-2011, 03:04 PM
:clap:

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 03:04 PM
In fairness - if it means that Charles gets 16 carries/gm, Jones gets 8 and McClain gets 6, I'm okay with that. I think Jones can keep the effectiveness he had for the first 1/2 of last season for a lot longer if we use McClain to significantly lessen his 'power back' load.

And w/ McClain's FB ability, it's not like he'd be underutilized. With him out there as a legitimate threat to run the ball from the FB position, even McCluster is more valuable as a HB as teams would be less likely to key in on him as a pass-catcher out of the backfield.

McClain really does a lot to make this offense more effective overall. He's a very nice pickup.

Esto. It's a great pick up and I can't imagine how this could backfire in any way.../crosses fingers

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 03:05 PM
In fairness - if it means that Charles gets 16 carries/gm, Jones gets 8 and McClain gets 6, I'm okay with that. I think Jones can keep the effectiveness he had for the first 1/2 of last season for a lot longer if we use McClain to significantly lessen his 'power back' load.

And w/ McClain's FB ability, it's not like he'd be underutilized. With him out there as a legitimate threat to run the ball from the FB position, even McCluster is more valuable as a HB as teams would be less likely to key in on him as a pass-catcher out of the backfield.

McClain really does a lot to make this offense more effective overall. He's a very nice pickup.

That's basically how I see it. I can see McClain getting a majority of the goalline work.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 03:05 PM
There are a lot of wacky options with this offense.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 03:05 PM
So I'm thinking a McClain jersey this year. Can't go wrong with a badass FB, they have little expected out of them.

ChiefMojo
08-03-2011, 03:05 PM
Great signing!!!!

First off McCluster is only a package set RB. Charles is our primary ball carry as we all know. Jones has talent, but there are only so many carries he can take anymore. That leaves plenty of carries for McClain to split with Jones. McClain also gives a high quality FB!

swayy07
08-03-2011, 03:06 PM
RavensInsider Aaron Wilson
It's a one-year contract for former Ravens fullback Le'Ron McClain with the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Bad Guy
08-03-2011, 03:06 PM
Our 2 biggest problems were the inability to get yards on 4th and 1/2, which we were dead last in the league in.

The other was the ability to stretch defenses vertically, which has been addressed with Breaston and Baldwin.

I think this FO has quietly had a very good off-season. There will be more cuts in the coming days and hopefully we can add a RT.

ChiefsandO'sfan
08-03-2011, 03:06 PM
RavensInsiderAaron Wilson


It's a one-year contract for former Ravens fullback Le'Ron McClain with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Chocolate Hog
08-03-2011, 03:07 PM
#SWAG

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 03:07 PM
So I'm thinking a McClain jersey this year. Can't go wrong with a badass FB, they have little expected out of them.

RavensInsider Aaron Wilson
It's a one-year contract for former Ravens fullback Le'Ron McClain with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Yeah....I'd probably hold off on the jersey...

The Bad Guy
08-03-2011, 03:07 PM
RavensInsider Aaron Wilson
It's a one-year contract for former Ravens fullback Le'Ron McClain with the Kansas City Chiefs.

Would have liked him for 2, but they can negotiate if he performs well.

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:07 PM
In fairness - if it means that Charles gets 16 carries/gm, Jones gets 8 and McClain gets 6, I'm okay with that. I think Jones can keep the effectiveness he had for the first 1/2 of last season for a lot longer if we use McClain to significantly lessen his 'power back' load.

And w/ McClain's FB ability, it's not like he'd be underutilized. With him out there as a legitimate threat to run the ball from the FB position, even McCluster is more valuable as a HB as teams would be less likely to key in on him as a pass-catcher out of the backfield.

McClain really does a lot to make this offense more effective overall. He's a very nice pickup.

Or you can just cut out the middleman, dump Jones, and give his carries to McClain.

With the addition of Breaston, I don't see us utilizing a FB very often. And McClain has shown he can be effective running the ball 200+ times a season.

Let the Charles and McClain share the load.

SNR
08-03-2011, 03:07 PM
Now the Chiefs have a machine gun. Ho ho ho!

Smed1065
08-03-2011, 03:08 PM
adamteicher Adam Teicher
Chiefs agree to terms with FB LeRon McClain. Story here: chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/1763


Guess we are SB bound tonight........

Just funny to see!

Rudy lost the toss
08-03-2011, 03:08 PM
Those saying the chiefs are doing nothing in FA to position themselves as SB contenders.... well... keep beating your drum. McClain is solid but no more spectacular than the other 3 signings

ChiefMojo
08-03-2011, 03:09 PM
I think Pioli is going to wait for cuts before getting a RT or another DE. I think it might be wise to see how we think Brandon Bair progresses through camp... I think he has the ability to be a very serviceable DE in the NFL.

Btw, Le'Ron McClain is yet another SEC guy on roster!

Smed1065
08-03-2011, 03:09 PM
bye bye Mike Cox

Nice to see but worries me to say........

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 03:09 PM
Those saying the chiefs are doing nothing in FA to position themselves as SB contenders.... well... keep beating your drum. McClain is solid but no more spectacular than the other 3 signings

Yeah....you're wrong.

KurtCobain
08-03-2011, 03:10 PM
Yeah....I'd probably hold off on the jersey...

Yeah that's a bummer and a mind changer.

Still a maybe between him and Baldwin what number does he wear?

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 03:10 PM
Or you can just cut out the middleman, dump Jones, and give his carries to McClain.

With the addition of Breaston, I don't see us utilizing a FB very often. And McClain has shown he can be effective running the ball 200+ times a season.

Let the Charles and McClain share the load.

Yea I figured this meant the marginalization of Jones.

Smed1065
08-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Yeah....you're wrong.

Means we were right. At least on someone!!

LMAO

bevischief
08-03-2011, 03:11 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/

Report: Le'Ron McClain To The Kansas City Chiefs

Headshot_tiny by Joel Thorman on Aug 3, 2011 4:03 PM CDT in NFL Free Agency 2011
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Dilip Vishwanat - Getty ImagesMore photos

After touching base with Le'Ron McClain's camp earlier this week, the Kansas City Chiefs have decided to ink him to a deal. Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star reports McClain agreed to terms with the Chiefs.

I wish I could re-run our poll on the Chiefs free agency grade because I think the grade might be going.

McClain comes to the Chiefs from the Baltimore Ravens who picked him up in the fourth round of the 2007 NFL draft. In four years with the Ravens, he's rushed for 1,185 yards including a career-high 902 yards on 232 carries in 2008. He was a Pro Bowler in 2008 and 2009.

He started a campaign in Baltimore to get himself some more carries so it'll be interesting to see how he fits into the Chiefs offense. Right now, the backfield primarily includes RB Jamaal Charles, RB Thomas Jones and possibly WR/RB Dexter McCluster.

FB Mike Cox and rookie FB Shane Bannon are the two fullbacks on the team so we'll see if the Chiefs keep them or move on.

And, judging by the picture above shot during the Ravens-Chiefs playoff game, McClain already knows how to celebrate in Kansas City.

nychief
08-03-2011, 03:11 PM
shane bannon we hardly knew ye....

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 03:12 PM
That's a little to much copy and paste.

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 03:12 PM
shane bannon we hardly knew ye....

Practice Squad.

philfree
08-03-2011, 03:13 PM
How's McClain at pass blocking and picking up the blitz? That could make a difference in how much he is on the field.

Mr. Arrowhead
08-03-2011, 03:13 PM
My goodness Jamaal Charles might average 7 yards a carry and 1700 rushing yards this year with more deep threats and a all pro fullback blocking for him

swayy07
08-03-2011, 03:14 PM
did u need to post the comment section and all that shit to? tl;dr

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Yea I figured this meant the marginalization of Jones.

He marginalized himself with that 2.9 YPC average over the last nine games of the season.

Why keep a back that can only give you 6-7 games before his performance declines? Especially when you just signed a younger, better option that plays two positions and can handle a 200+ carry workload?

JASONSAUTO
08-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Or you can just cut out the middleman, dump Jones, and give his carries to McClain.

With the addition of Breaston, I don't see us utilizing a FB very often. And McClain has shown he can be effective running the ball 200+ times a season.

Let the Charles and McClain share the load.

THIS

Smed1065
08-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Draft a FB?

See they do it wrong when they get it right/
Mecca.

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Or you can just cut out the middleman, dump Jones, and give his carries to McClain.

With the addition of Breaston, I don't see us utilizing a FB very often. And McClain has shown he can be effective running the ball 200+ times a season.

Let the Charles and McClain share the load.

Sounds like a good way to gas your FB and put additional strain on Charles.

If there's any RB in the NFL that will be a premier player out of the single-back, it's Jamal Charles. That said, the single back set is hard on RBs. It tends to give defenders a slightly better bead on the HB and tends to get them lit up a little more. Charles will be better at avoiding it than most, but it's still a difficult trick to turn.

I know Breaston will mean more 3-wide sets this season, but I hope we still have a steady diet of I-Form, etc... plays. With a FB with actual speed, quickness and strength, the misdirection plays and off-tackle 'dive' style plays will be even more effective as McClain will be that much quicker to seal the edge and Charles can get into space that much sooner.

If you want to cut Jones loose and give Battle the carries, I'll endorse that idea. But I don't like the idea of McClain as our primary power back.

swayy07
08-03-2011, 03:15 PM
THIS

i concur

Deberg_1990
08-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Nice pickup. Pioli is quietly building a powerhouse.

keg in kc
08-03-2011, 03:16 PM
Nice. Solid signing.

Sure-Oz
08-03-2011, 03:16 PM
He marginalized himself with that 2.9 YPC average over the last nine games of the season.

Why keep a back that can only give you 6-7 games before his performance declines? Especially when you just signed a younger, better option that plays two positions and can handle a 200+ carry workload?

TJ is the chiefs new Jeff Francouer

mnchiefsguy
08-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Very good signing. The offense should be significantly better this year.

Pawnmower
08-03-2011, 03:19 PM
playoffs????!!!??

Fish
08-03-2011, 03:21 PM
McClain needs more carries....

PunkinDrublic
08-03-2011, 03:21 PM
My only concern is that this could spell the end for Mike Cox. This means I'll never again have the pleasure of hearing Rich Gannon say on a broadcast "look at the way Mike Cox opens up a hole".

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 03:23 PM
McClain needs more carries....

This is pretty much sig-worthy on its own.

Smed1065
08-03-2011, 03:23 PM
1 year_ He sucks.

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:23 PM
Sounds like a good way to gas your FB and put additional strain on Charles.

If there's any RB in the NFL that will be a premier player out of the single-back, it's Jamal Charles. That said, the single back set is hard on RBs. It tends to give defenders a slightly better bead on the HB and tends to get them lit up a little more. Charles will be better at avoiding it than most, but it's still a difficult trick to turn.

I know Breaston will mean more 3-wide sets this season, but I hope we still have a steady diet of I-Form, etc... plays. With a FB with actual speed, quickness and strength, the misdirection plays and off-tackle 'dive' style plays will be even more effective as McClain will be that much quicker to seal the edge and Charles can get into space that much sooner.

If you want to cut Jones loose and give Battle the carries, I'll endorse that idea. But I don't like the idea of McClain as our primary power back.

First, McClain is not going to be the only FB on the roster.

Second, he's much more valuable as a power back getting 12-14 carries per game than he is as a blocker for maybe 6-8 plays a game.

He did both in Baltimore, and took more carries while doing it than I'm proposing.

Someone's gotta go, and it shouldn't be Battle. And for as hard as I've been on McCluster, it shouldn't be him either.

aturnis
08-03-2011, 03:23 PM
I think Pioli is going to wait for cuts before getting a RT or another DE. I think it might be wise to see how we think Brandon Bair progresses through camp... I think he has the ability to be a very serviceable DE in the NFL.

Btw, Le'Ron McClain is yet another SEC guy on roster!

I agree. I think that is the reason Pioli isn't hell bent on getting 90 guys in camp right now.

Cap cuts tonight ought to put some pretty good talent out there. I think Pioli looks at it as a way to streamline the signing process, whereas other teams will first have to cut a guy, which will require paperwork to the NFL, Pioli will just offer a contract.

Deberg_1990
08-03-2011, 03:24 PM
IM just curious why his carries dropped so much the past 2 seasons? Is that just because of Ray Rice?

wazu
08-03-2011, 03:24 PM
BREAKING: Adam Teicher predicting McClain will get the ball "more than 15 times" in 2011.

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:25 PM
IM just curious why his carries dropped so much the past 2 seasons? Is that just because of Ray Rice?

Yep.

Sure-Oz
08-03-2011, 03:26 PM
BREAKING: Adam Teicher predicting McClain will get the ball "more than 15 times" in 2011.

Jamaal back to 3rd down back!11

Deberg_1990
08-03-2011, 03:27 PM
Yep.

Which means his legs are still fresh. I like this signing alot.

Smed1065
08-03-2011, 03:27 PM
Too late to add. CP was nice. Yeah its changed from 2000. Use to be equal, now its the NFL GM'S in a pissing match take over for the majority.


Oh Its just a 1 year deal, he sucks. No one wanted him. 31 other teams passed dumb ass.

milkman
08-03-2011, 03:28 PM
He marginalized himself with that 2.9 YPC average over the last nine games of the season.

Why keep a back that can only give you 6-7 games before his performance declines? Especially when you just signed a younger, better option that plays two positions and can handle a 200+ carry workload?

I'd love to see Jones released.

He did bring something to this in the way of leadership and mentorship to Charles.

But he's done.

Unfortunately, I think that Haley has too much man love for Jones, and he will get his 200+ carries, average be damned.

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 03:29 PM
First, McClain is not going to be the only FB on the roster.

Second, he's much more valuable as a power back getting 12-14 carries per game than he is as a blocker for maybe 6-8 plays a game.

He did both in Baltimore, and took more carries while doing it than I'm proposing.

Someone's gotta go, and it shouldn't be Battle. And for as hard as I've been on McCluster, it shouldn't be him either.

They'll keep Charles, McClain and McCluster. If they keep Jones as well, isn't 5 RBs (none of whom are likely to contribute on STs) somewhat excessive?

If they cut Jones, I agree with you that they'll keep a 2nd FB. Hell, it might even be Bannon. But if they keep Jones around, I just can't see them keeping 2 FBs on the roster. Bannon will make it to the PS, so they can just bring him up if need be.

Thig Lyfe
08-03-2011, 03:29 PM
WE DID IT

WE FUCKING DID IT

milkman
08-03-2011, 03:30 PM
I like the addition of McClain, but at the end of the day, I think it's a luxury addition.

keg in kc
08-03-2011, 03:30 PM
First, McClain is not going to be the only FB on the roster.

Second, he's much more valuable as a power back getting 12-14 carries per game than he is as a blocker for maybe 6-8 plays a game.

He did both in Baltimore, and took more carries while doing it than I'm proposing.

Someone's gotta go, and it shouldn't be Battle. And for as hard as I've been on McCluster, it shouldn't be him either.Agree with all of that. I'm not sure if they'll do it, but Jones should be the man out.

And I can't believe McClain's role with the team will be simply as a fullback, with the amount of single-back sets we run, and the limited number of power sets. He can be more than Mike Cox or Tim Castille.

But I'm okay with however they use him...


as long as it's not to mentor Justin Houston.

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 03:30 PM
Hey wait - Smed's right.

Bosschief assures me that guys signing 1-yr deals this late in the season for reasonable $$ are actually trash because nobody else wanted them.

What say you, Boss? Gonna just admit that you were completely full of shit there and that your reasoning was the worst kind of bass ackwards logic? Or are you just gonna run that train right on into the mountain?

CoMoChief
08-03-2011, 03:31 PM
Doesn't Battle still play on this team? I never hear about him. Personally when he's played he's done ok IMO.

Chocolate Hog
08-03-2011, 03:31 PM
Hey wait - Smed's right.

Bosschief assures me that guys signing 1-yr deals this late in the season for reasonable $$ are actually trash because nobody else wanted them.

What say you, Boss? Gonna just admit that you were completely full of shit there and that your reasoning was the worst kind of bass ackwards logic? Or are you just gonna run that train right on into the mountain?

Pow!

aturnis
08-03-2011, 03:33 PM
IM just curious why his carries dropped so much the past 2 seasons? Is that just because of Ray Rice?

& McGahee

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 03:35 PM
"@LeRonMcClain33 Random thought...U are already a fan fav in KC even though you don't have a deal yet. If u go 2 KC its a smooth transition"

I said this to him last night.

Johnny Vegas
08-03-2011, 03:35 PM
Pow!

why is he screaming pow?

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:37 PM
They'll keep Charles, McClain and McCluster. If they keep Jones as well, isn't 5 RBs (none of whom are likely to contribute on STs) somewhat excessive?

If they cut Jones, I agree with you that they'll keep a 2nd FB. Hell, it might even be Bannon. But if they keep Jones around, I just can't see them keeping 2 FBs on the roster. Bannon will make it to the PS, so they can just bring him up if need be.

ST is just one of the reasons why Jones has to go, IMO.

Battle can give you the same 2 yards a carry and play special teams.

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:37 PM
I'd love to see Jones released.

He did bring something to this in the way of leadership and mentorship to Charles.

But he's done.

Unfortunately, I think that Haley has too much man love for Jones, and he will get his 200+ carries, average be damned.

I'm concerned about this as well.

ChiefsNow
08-03-2011, 03:38 PM
Mike cox is sore.

They slammed it in the exit door.

aturnis
08-03-2011, 03:38 PM
"@LeRonMcClain33 Random thought...U are already a fan fav in KC even though you don't have a deal yet. If u go 2 KC its a smooth transition"

I said this to him last night.

YOU FUCKING DID IT!!!

notorious
08-03-2011, 03:39 PM
Excellent signing

Mr. Laz
08-03-2011, 03:39 PM
bye-bye Battle,Castille and Cox

(although i think Castille was already gone)

I wonder what kind of chance Bannon has to make the team?

HB
Charles
Jones
McCluster

FB
McClain
Bannon (if he is good enough on special teams to carry)

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 03:40 PM
YOU FUCKING DID IT!!!

I FUCKING KNOW! I, by myself talked a player into joining the Chiefs. :D

Chocolate Hog
08-03-2011, 03:40 PM
YOU ****ING DID IT!!!

ROFL

Sign that guy up to be a hostage negotiator.

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 03:41 PM
bye-bye Battle,Castille and Cox

(although i think Castille is already gone)

I wonder what kind of chance Bannon has to make the team?

HB
Charles
Jones
McCluster

FB
McClain
Bannon (if he is good enough on special teams to carry)

If we kept a FB for special teams it should have been Castille. He was a solid special teamer....IDK, I think we carry 4 HB's including Battle, and 1 FB....Tough call.

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 03:42 PM
This has been a fantastic free agency period.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2d2dpb9.jpg

SNR
08-03-2011, 03:42 PM
Doesn't Battle still play on this team? I never hear about him. Personally when he's played he's done ok IMO.I don't get the Battle hate, personally. The Chiefs gave him the ball very few times last year. Every goalline/short yardage carry he was handed (all three of them) he converted. Dude just did his job, that's all.

I'd MUCH rather have McClain, don't get me wrong, but I don't see why people thought Battle was AIDS. We could do a lot worse than Battle as our 3rd RB.

mcaj22
08-03-2011, 03:44 PM
well we have McClain now and he makes like 5 people at least potentially expendable. No need for those guys anymore you can go out and concentrate on adding others at other positions to take those roster spots in areas we need HELP in.

LeRon McClain fills an area where he needs zero help. Barring injury of course

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 03:45 PM
I don't get the Battle hate, personally. The Chiefs gave him the ball very few times last year. Every goalline/short yardage carry he was handed (all three of them) he converted. Dude just did his job, that's all.

I'd MUCH rather have McClain, don't get me wrong, but I don't see why people thought Battle was AIDS. We could do a lot worse than Battle as our 3rd RB.

I'm not even sure what Battle hate you're referring to.

I think most fans like Jackie Battle. It's the coaching staff that doesn't seem to have much use for him.

I'd absolutely keep Battle over Jones, but I don't think there's a chance the FO will.

ChiefMojo
08-03-2011, 03:45 PM
I don't understand the hate as well for Battle, if there is any? The guy was very solid. With that said, I do think Le'Ron McClain is a better player. If that means the end of Battle, so be it. Interesting thing to watch is the fact McClain is a one-year contract guy... that could lead to many different decisions with roster moves. Hope Le'Ron really performs and we sign him long term after the season.

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 03:47 PM
This has been a fantastic free agency period.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2d2dpb9.jpg

Well certainly not a bad one. I mean, Pioli stuck to his niche. He did what he always does. And the Chiefs are loaded with cap money to make any necessary moves later down the road. "Build through the draft, and add pieces to the puzzle through free agency."

milkman
08-03-2011, 03:48 PM
I don't understand the hate as well for Battle, if there is any? The guy was very solid. With that said, I do think Le'Ron McClain is a better player. If that means the end of Battle, so be it. Interesting thing to watch is the fact McClain is a one-year contract guy... that could lead to many different decisions with roster moves. Hope Le'Ron really performs and we sign him long term after the season.

No one hates Battle.

We just don't understand the Battle love.

He hasn't done a thing.............ever.

SNR
08-03-2011, 03:49 PM
I'm not even sure what Battle hate you're referring to.

I think most fans like Jackie Battle. It's the coaching staff that doesn't seem to have much use for him.

I'd absolutely keep Battle over Jones, but I don't think there's a chance the FO will.Eh, during the draft a few people were outraged that the Chiefs didn't draft a RB, citing that Thomas Jones was too old and that Battle sucked ass.

notorious
08-03-2011, 03:51 PM
He hasn't done a thing.............ever.

Just like the Chiefs in the playoffs.

Now you know why everyone loves him. He is a perfect fit.

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 03:52 PM
Eh, during the draft a few people were outraged that the Chiefs didn't draft a RB, citing that Thomas Jones was too old and that Battle sucked ass.

True. Most people expected the Chiefs to draft Jones' replacement this year. That didn't happen. I wouldn't mind if McClain is that guy.

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:52 PM
No one hates Battle.

We just don't understand the Battle love.

He hasn't done a thing.............ever.

In fairness, he's never been given a legitimate chance to "do anything."

Dude has 41 carries in four years.

durtyrute
08-03-2011, 03:53 PM
My only concern is that this could spell the end for Mike Cox. This means I'll never again have the pleasure of hearing Rich Gannon say on a broadcast "look at the way Mike Cox opens up a hole".

ROFL

durtyrute
08-03-2011, 03:54 PM
Since this happened, drop T Ones and let Battle get more carries.

Oh yea.....Go Chiefs!!!

Rexx
08-03-2011, 03:55 PM
I like the signing no doubt...but wonder how many carries he will actually get with JC, TJ and DMC back there. Seems like he would get limited opportunities which will mean he will probably be on his way after the 2011 season. Coaches love Jones and I'm guessing Haley is no different. I'd rather see McClain get the opportunities so we can convince him to sign for a couple of years. Anyway, welcome LeRon!

milkman
08-03-2011, 03:55 PM
In fairness, he's never been given a legitimate chance to "do anything."

Dude has 41 carries in four years.

The point isn't whether he's been given a chance.

The point is, despite the fact that he has never done a thing, whether he's had the chance or not, that people are clamoring for him like he's some jewel that we simply keep locked up.

durtyrute
08-03-2011, 03:58 PM
The point isn't whether he's been given a chance.

The point is, despite the fact that he has never done a thing, whether he's had the chance or not, that people are clamoring for him like he's some jewel that we simply keep locked up.

He's a beast, he's shown it

OnTheWarpath58
08-03-2011, 03:58 PM
The point isn't whether he's been given a chance.

The point is, despite the fact that he has never done a thing, whether he's had the chance or not, that people are clamoring for him like he's some jewel that we simply keep locked up.

I guess I'm not seeing all this "Battle love."

I'm just seeing (some) people realize that Jones is done, and that Battle is a better option.

Deberg_1990
08-03-2011, 03:59 PM
I like the signing no doubt...but wonder how many carries he will actually get with JC, TJ and DMC back there.

Well thats his role. ill bet he gets no more than 6 or 7 carries a game if all those guys are on the roster. Also, you can never have too many good backs.....RB's get hurt...all..the...time....

CoMoChief
08-03-2011, 04:00 PM
yessssssssssssssss............

milkman
08-03-2011, 04:00 PM
I guess I'm not seeing all this "Battle love."

I'm just seeing (some) people realize that Jones is done, and that Battle is a better option.

We don't know that.

It's possible, but he may not be given any chance because he's simply not good, and offers only his special teams contributions.

milkman
08-03-2011, 04:00 PM
He's a beast, he's shown it

Yeah, sure.





When?

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 04:02 PM
Maybe Thomas Jones isn't impressing anyone in camp.

warrior
08-03-2011, 04:02 PM
good signing--------:thumb:

keg in kc
08-03-2011, 04:03 PM
I guess I'm not seeing all this "Battle love."

I'm just seeing (some) people realize that Jones is done, and that Battle is a better option.I think Jones may be done. But I don't think that Battle is a better option. "He's not Jones" isn't quite enough in the way of credentials for me.

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 04:04 PM
Broncos fans are trying to tell me the loss of Brian Waters is going to be a problem with our rushing game. :LOL:

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 04:04 PM
Maybe Thomas Jones isn't impressing anyone in camp.

Not sure that they've had that kind of contact yet. I don't they'll know what TJ has until preseason week 1.

CoMoChief
08-03-2011, 04:04 PM
RB - Jamaal Charles
FB - LaRon McClain
TE - Tony Moeaki
UTL - Dexter McCluster
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Jon Baldwin
WR - Steve Breaston


That's more than enough weapons for Cassel to be successful. Now we need the Oline to step up (and for the love of God, sign another OT) and protect him, since our schedule is filled with a bunch of teams that can play good defense.

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 04:04 PM
Broncos fans are trying to tell me the loss of Brian Waters is going to be a problem with our rushing game. :LOL:

You spend more time over there then you do over here, don't you?

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-03-2011, 04:04 PM
Very nice.

Micjones
08-03-2011, 04:05 PM
Excellent acquisition.

Glad to have this guy on the team. He helps us in short-yardage situations and makes us more effective in the Red Zone...in a couple different ways. We've got an absolutely loaded backfield now...and while we can argue over whether or not Jones stays...we now have options. Great problem to have.

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 04:05 PM
I'm a little surprised it's a one year deal. What's the story with that?

kstater
08-03-2011, 04:05 PM
I thought FA ended last week after the Chiefs hadn't signed anyone in the first 6 hours?

keg in kc
08-03-2011, 04:06 PM
I'm a little surprised it's a one year deal. What's the story with that?Wondering that myself. In a general sense. Seems like a shit ton of one-year deals this offseason. Wonder what it is about the new CBA that's causing that.

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2011, 04:08 PM
Rad as heck.

RedThat
08-03-2011, 04:08 PM
RB - Jamaal Charles
FB - LaRon McClain
TE - Tony Moeaki
UTL - Dexter McCluster
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Jon Baldwin
WR - Steve Breaston


That's more than enough weapons for Cassel to be successful. Now we need the Oline to step up (and for the love of God, sign another OT) and protect him, since our schedule is filled with a bunch of teams that can play good defense.

Absolutely.

I think if they sign another tackle, maybe a few other OLmen for depth, and the Chiefs will be really solid.

notorious
08-03-2011, 04:10 PM
You spend more time over there then you do over here, don't you?

It's pretty close.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-03-2011, 04:10 PM
Not possible, they are teh Cheaps

Thig Lyfe
08-03-2011, 04:10 PM
Wondering that myself. In a general sense. Seems like a shit ton of one-year deals this offseason. Wonder what it is about the new CBA that's causing that.

I think the thought process is that they can get more money with the benefit of a full offseason next year. Might have a lot of rent-a-players looking for a big contract this season.

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 04:10 PM
<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/M3mETUxIRtY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Most of these highlights include McClain...He just runs people over.

Ace Gunner
08-03-2011, 04:10 PM
yay! and re the 1 yr deal - I bet it was mutual, this kid is stepping down to a lesser org and if the Chiefs don't step up this season, I wouldn't blame him for bolting. This is gonna be a pivital year for this team in many ways. If they don't come out at least 9 - 7 I think the heat will be on. I believe now they can compete for the division. If they can do that, it'll be another accomplishment for this staff. If they win their first playoff game, who knows.

keg in kc
08-03-2011, 04:10 PM
I think the thought process is that they can get more money with the benefit of a full offseason next year. Might have a lot of rent-a-players looking for a big contract this season.Could well be.

Bwana
08-03-2011, 04:14 PM
Great signing.

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 04:15 PM
McClain's twitter feed is down. LMAO

shitgoose
08-03-2011, 04:18 PM
I'm looking forward to watching McClain truck Von Miller and other donkey's

notorious
08-03-2011, 04:19 PM
He will bring a nasty, physical element to this offense we have been lacking.


Hopefully our line can let him build up some steam and loosen up the defense.

BigMeatballDave
08-03-2011, 04:21 PM
Sweet!

Good bye, Jones.

JASONSAUTO
08-03-2011, 04:23 PM
yay! and re the 1 yr deal - I bet it was mutual, this kid is stepping down to a lesser org and if the Chiefs don't step up this season, I wouldn't blame him for bolting. This is gonna be a pivital year for this team in many ways. If they don't come out at least 9 - 7 I think the heat will be on. I believe now they can compete for the division. If they can do that, it'll be another accomplishment for this staff. If they win their first playoff game, who knows.

ROFL
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

Rexx
08-03-2011, 04:23 PM
I agree with this. Nice to have a guy that brings a little attitude! I wish the offensive line would become a little more this way.

He will bring a nasty, physical element to this offense we have been lacking.


Hopefully our line can let him build up some steam and loosen up the defense.

rocknrolla
08-03-2011, 04:23 PM
Brings back memories of the great TRich! I loved that guy. He got Holmes so many yards.

Von Dumbass
08-03-2011, 04:24 PM
He's ok. Definitely not as good as Vontae Leach at FB and isn't as good as guys like Deangelo or McGahee at RB. Guess he will give the Chiefs a decent short yardage back but if the blocking isn't there it won't matter who carries the ball on 4th and 1(Weigman and Lilja aren't known for pushing guys back and the loss of Waters hurts) .

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 04:26 PM
You idiot. Willis McGahee is a washedup brokedick.

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 04:28 PM
He's ok. Definitely not as good as Vontae Leach at FB and isn't as good as guys like Deangelo or McGahee at RB. Guess he will give the Chiefs a decent short yardage back but if the blocking isn't there it won't matter who carries the ball on 4th and 1(Weigman and Lilja aren't known for pushing guys back and the loss of Waters hurts) .

We were only the best rushing team in the game last year. That isn't a KnowMo-esque baseless opinion it is something called a fact. Don't you go worrying about our blocking.

lol @ McGahee comment.

Priest31kc
08-03-2011, 04:29 PM
He's ok. Definitely not as good as Vontae Leach at FB and isn't as good as guys like Deangelo or McGahee at RB. Guess he will give the Chiefs a decent short yardage back but if the blocking isn't there it won't matter who carries the ball on 4th and 1(Weigman and Lilja aren't known for pushing guys back and the loss of Waters hurts) .

:facepalm:

wazu
08-03-2011, 04:29 PM
<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/M3mETUxIRtY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Most of these highlights include McClain...He just runs people over.

BOINGGG!!!

If you don't want to watch the whole video, at least do yourself a favor and go to 2:15 to watch him slap a Raider to the turf in the open field. Classic!

acarter25
08-03-2011, 04:31 PM
Absolutely psyched about this

Zeke
08-03-2011, 04:31 PM
I like the addition of McClain, but at the end of the day, I think it's a luxury addition.

Not very many times in the last 5-6 years we've been able to say that.

It's a good thing.

Von Dumbass
08-03-2011, 04:32 PM
Ray Rice added 3 years to McGahee's career he has been getting a little over 100 carries per season the past few years and had 12 TD's and averaged 5 yards per carry in 2009

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 04:32 PM
BOINGGG!!!

If you don't want to watch the whole video, at least do yourself a favor and go to 2:15 to watch him slap a Raider to the turf in the open field. Classic!

The pancake at :34 is perfect.

And that was McGahee....

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 04:32 PM
I really wish people would learn fucking numbers.

McGahee is 23. McClain is 33.

McGahee slaps that Raider to the turf.

Fuck.

ReynardMuldrake
08-03-2011, 04:32 PM
Yippie kay yay, motherfuckers.

RedThat
08-03-2011, 04:33 PM
<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/M3mETUxIRtY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Most of these highlights include McClain...He just runs people over.

Thanks for posting that vid.

I enjoyed the clips at 0:35 & 3:50.

The clip at 0:35 was great. I like how he just turns the corner against the Browns defender and extends his body forward and drives it in an upright motion to the point where he makes contact with the guy, throws him off-balance and knocks him right on his a**. Love it.

And the clip at 3:50 against the Steelers, how he lowers his shoulders and keeps his legs moving and drags the Steelers defender backward a few yards. Wow. Those two plays are just excellent displays of lower body strength. If he can bring that type of game to our team on a regular basis, we will excel in short yardage and goalline situations.

*It seems like this signing will solve the power running game.

notorious
08-03-2011, 04:33 PM
I really wish people would learn ****ing numbers.

McGahee is 23. McClain is 33.

McGahee slaps that Raider to the turf.

****.

ROFL

rocknrolla
08-03-2011, 04:34 PM
He's ok. Definitely not as good as Vontae Leach at FB and isn't as good as guys like Deangelo or McGahee at RB. Guess he will give the Chiefs a decent short yardage back but if the blocking isn't there it won't matter who carries the ball on 4th and 1(Weigman and Lilja aren't known for pushing guys back and the loss of Waters hurts) .

You have got to be kidding me! McGahee is a worthless sack of shit!:LOL:

|Zach|
08-03-2011, 04:34 PM
Mr. Willis McGahee was born in the year of our lord one thousand nineteen and eighty one.

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 04:37 PM
Ray Rice added 3 years to McGahee's career he has been getting a little over 100 carries per season the past few years and had 12 TD's and averaged 5 yards per carry in 2009

McGahee was a brokedick 3 years ago.

Zeke
08-03-2011, 04:40 PM
Ray Rice added 3 years to McGahee's career he has been getting a little over 100 carries per season the past few years and had 12 TD's and averaged 5 yards per carry in 2009

And that's a fact jack!

Buck
08-03-2011, 04:40 PM
Fuck.
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Pasta Giant Meatball
08-03-2011, 04:43 PM
Ray Rice added 3 years to McGahee's career he has been getting a little over 100 carries per season the past few years and had 12 TD's and averaged 5 yards per carry in 2009

Sweet, is Willis bringing the Ravens OL with him? The holes in Denver will be so small.

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 04:43 PM
Fuck.
Posted via Mobile Device

lol

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 04:46 PM
****.
Posted via Mobile Device

It's ok. I've been listening to Chargers radio all week, hearing them talk about how signing Bob Sanders, Travis LaBoy and Takeo Spikes make them so much better while the other 3 AFCW teams took a step back.


BTW Chiefs fans, you can thank your boy Kent Babb for coming onto SD radio and basically putting the Chiefs on blast and telling all of SD that the Chiefs are cheap and will take a step back this year.

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 04:46 PM
This thread title is epic.

I look forward to future epic thread titles

"LeRon McClain is running over the Broncos"

"LeRon McClain is the best fullback in football"

"LeRon McClain is scoring touchdowns today"

BossChief
08-03-2011, 04:48 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 04:51 PM
It's ok. I've been listening to Chargers radio all week, hearing them talk about how signing Bob Sanders, Travis LaBoy and Takeo Spikes make them so much better while the other 3 AFCW teams took a step back.



:rolleyes:

People are dumb.

58-4ever
08-03-2011, 04:53 PM
I love that the Chiefs are giving Cassel weapons. Now there are no excuses. After failing to move the ball against Baltimore in the playoff game, they came out and added pieces to the puzzle. McClain brings a certain toughness to the field that Thomas Jones did during his first 8 games. However, I think McClain brings the heat for 19 games if needed.

Chief Roundup
08-03-2011, 04:57 PM
I love that the Chiefs are giving Cassel weapons. Now there are no excuses. After failing to move the ball against Baltimore in the playoff game, they came out and added pieces to the puzzle. McClain brings a certain toughness to the field that Thomas Jones did during his first 8 games. However, I think McClain brings the heat for 19 games if needed.

There is always the OL sucks line that will be used by some. Not to mention another OC and different QB coach and scheme and so on. It will be hard to remove all the excuses. Just sayin.

Chief Roundup
08-03-2011, 04:57 PM
Love the signing. Hope he gets all of the carriers that Jones would of gotten.

Just Passin' By
08-03-2011, 04:59 PM
This thread title is epic.

I look forward to future epic thread titles

"LeRon McClain is running over the Broncos"

"LeRon McClain is the best fullback in football"

"LeRon McClain is scoring touchdowns today"


"LeBron McClain is taking his talents to Kansas City."

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2011, 05:03 PM
Cassel can't F this up. Right?

Bwana
08-03-2011, 05:04 PM
Cassel can't F this up. Right?

Heh

BossChief
08-03-2011, 05:04 PM
Goodbye Jackie Battle, you had your chance...

RedThat
08-03-2011, 05:07 PM
Love the signing. Hope he gets all of the carriers that Jones would of gotten.

I don't think he will get as many carries, but I think you'll see him used more so in the short yardage and goalline situations. Regardless, I think he will be an excellent role player for us. I have a feeling this guy will add a new dimension to our goalline offense. He gives us the power running game that we kinda lacked last season.

Im excited about both McClain and Baldwin. both guys will make our goalline offense lethal. Baldwin can jump and has great hands.

Anytime you add a power back, and have a receiver that can snag balls out of the air that usually translates into a pretty good goalline offense. As far as Im concerned, Chiefs are going to excel in that area of offense.

notorious
08-03-2011, 05:09 PM
Cassel can't F this up. Right?

Did you have to ask that question?

MahiMike
08-03-2011, 05:09 PM
Our 2 biggest problems were the inability to get yards on 4th and 1/2, which we were dead last in the league in.

The other was the ability to stretch defenses vertically, which has been addressed with Breaston and Baldwin.

I think this FO has quietly had a very good off-season. There will be more cuts in the coming days and hopefully we can add a RT.

Correct. Which was why I was so excited last year about Jones. Just didn't get it done.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2011, 05:11 PM
Did you have to ask that question?

Lol sorry. I really hope he keeps improving.

lcarus
08-03-2011, 05:12 PM
Is this guy a good blocker as a FB? I really have never paid too much attention to his game. I would love for us to have a FB that loves to block and make some catches out of the backfield on occasion. I guess I've just never really gotten over Tony Richardson. That was a tough breakup.

KCChiefsFan88
08-03-2011, 05:14 PM
Cassel can't F this up. Right?

The better question is can the offensive line not F this up and allow the Chiefs to fully utilize all the talent they are adding to the offense.

58-4ever
08-03-2011, 05:14 PM
Goodbye Jackie Battle, you had your chance...

IF, a big IF, Battle is the guy to go, he will get scooped up by someone....

Halfcan
08-03-2011, 05:16 PM
I don't think he will get as many carries, but I think you'll see him used more so in the short yardage and goalline situations. Regardless, I think he will be an excellent role player for us. I have a feeling this guy will add a new dimension to our goalline offense. He gives us the power running game that we kinda lacked last season.

Im excited about both McClain and Baldwin. both guys will make our goalline offense lethal. Baldwin can jump and has great hands.

Anytime you add a power back, and have a receiver that can snag balls out of the air that usually translates into a pretty good goalline offense. As far as Im concerned, Chiefs are going to excel in that area of offense.

:thumb: I would add we were not very good on short yardage situations period. Too many stalled drives on 3-2 ect. Guess the Chiefs felt the same way.

KCtotheSB
08-03-2011, 05:16 PM
http://www.nfl.com/player/le'ronmcclain/2507209/profile

LeRon McClain had 4 fumbles in 2008.

What a waste of money.

MahiMike
08-03-2011, 05:17 PM
<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/M3mETUxIRtY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Most of these highlights include McClain...He just runs people over.

Boner!

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2011, 05:20 PM
I hate to jump the gun but it looks like the division is gonna be a two horse race between us and SD. So far in free agency it looks to be a chess match of moves between the two teams.

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 05:24 PM
I hate to jump the gun but it looks like the division is gonna be a two horse race between us and SD. So far in free agency it looks to be a chess match of moves between the two teams.

Well considering both the Donks and Raiders have taken a step back it's not hard to come to that conclusion.

However, if we're going to beat SD we need to develop a pass rush beyond just Hali.

Bill Lundberg
08-03-2011, 05:25 PM
ClaytonESPN John Clayton
Before signing Le'Ron McClain, the Chiefs worked out RB Jason Snelling of the Falcons

I like the signing but, I would have rather had Snelling personally.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2011, 05:25 PM
Well considering both the Donks and Raiders have taken a step back it's not hard to come to that conclusion.

However, if we're going to beat SD we need to develop a pass rush beyond just Hali.

Amen. Hopefully we sign another lb and de. And get your butt to camp Hali!

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 05:26 PM
I bet Pioli told McClain "if you want to get paid RB money, come here for a year, showcase your talents as a 10-carries per game back, and maybe someone will want you to start at RB."

mlyonsd
08-03-2011, 05:27 PM
Charles needs more carries!

Fritz88
08-03-2011, 05:27 PM
So does this mean that we're carrying 4 backs?

Charles
Jones
McCluster

McClain - FB
How about that Yale kid....
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milkman
08-03-2011, 05:28 PM
I like the signing but, I would have rather had Snelling personally.

McClain offers more versatility.

kysirsoze
08-03-2011, 05:30 PM
McClain offers more versatility.

Yeah, I can think of situations where I'd rather give the ball to McClain than Charles. I cannot think of one where I'd rather give the ball to Snelling.

Bill Lundberg
08-03-2011, 05:30 PM
McClain offers more versatility.

You might be right, but Snelling averaged 4.3 YPC filling in for an injured Michael Turner in 2009. He can tote the rock as well. And I don't think he would bitch about not getting carries. Not sure the same can be said for McClain.

milkman
08-03-2011, 05:33 PM
You might be right, but Snelling averaged 4.3 YPC filling in for an injured Michael Turner in 2009. He can tote the rock as well.

No question.

But McClain gives you a back can take some carries, and can block and catch from the fullback position.

He makes it possible, should you decide to do so, to go with one fewer RB on the roster while keeping a guy at another position for depth for development.

KcMizzou
08-03-2011, 05:34 PM
I hate to jump the gun but it looks like the division is gonna be a two horse race between us and SD. So far in free agency it looks to be a chess match of moves between the two teams.Petro (and the other guys on his show) were comparing the the Chiefs and Chargers position group by position group today. He came away surprised at how even the two teams really are...

Also made the point though that the Chargers have the advantage in the most important position on the field.

Chocolate Hog
08-03-2011, 05:35 PM
Snelling is a pretty nice receiver out of the backfield too.

Pestilence
08-03-2011, 05:36 PM
Petro (and the other guys on his show) were comparing the the Chiefs and Chargers position group by position group today. He came away surprised at how even the two teams really are...

Also made the point though that the Chargers have the advantage in the most imrpotant position on the field.

Cam Thomas.

Count Zarth
08-03-2011, 05:37 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/zja4oi.jpg

rocknrolla
08-03-2011, 05:37 PM
To me all of his appeal is his versatility.

RedThat
08-03-2011, 05:37 PM
Petro (and the other guys on his show) were comparing the the Chiefs and Chargers position group by position group today. He came away surprised at how even the two teams really are...

Also made the point though that the Chargers have the advantage in the most imrpotant position on the field.

This is the big one right here.

Still say we put up a good fight with them though. I can see a split between the two teams this year.

Detoxing
08-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Petro (and the other guys on his show) were comparing the the Chiefs and Chargers position group by position group today. He came away surprised at how even the two teams really are...

Also made the point though that the Chargers have the advantage in the most important position on the field.

And it's the difference maker that give them the advantage. Hence the reason we need an outstanding pass rush.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-03-2011, 05:39 PM
Petro (and the other guys on his show) were comparing the the Chiefs and Chargers position group by position group today. He came away surprised at how even the two teams really are...

Also made the point though that the Chargers have the advantage in the most imrpotant position on the field.

True. I'd love to have a franchise QB. In all honesty the other teams in the league are just playing to play while the teams with the game changers are playing to win the Super Bowl. One day man. One day.

BossChief
08-03-2011, 05:42 PM
Hey wait - Smed's right.

Bosschief assures me that guys signing 1-yr deals this late in the season for reasonable $$ are actually trash because nobody else wanted them.

What say you, Boss? Gonna just admit that you were completely full of shit there and that your reasoning was the worst kind of bass ackwards logic? Or are you just gonna run that train right on into the mountain?

haha

Butthurt much?

"Pioli is just sitting on his hands while good players are signed everywhere else"

Meanwhile, in real life in the NFL, Pioli is slowly building a fucking powerhouse.

Tell us again how you know more than Pioli and how poor a job hes doing.

Its gonna be fun once we win a playoff game this year to bump the posts....and Franklin will be riding the pine half the time for a 4-3 team because no 3-4 teams wanted him.

No question.

But McClain gives you a back can take some carries, and can block and catch from the fullback position.

He makes it possible, should you decide to do so, to go with one fewer RB on the roster while keeping a guy at another position for depth for development.

Exactly.

Last year we kept Castille and Cox at fullback and Battle at HB.

Signing McClain gives us the ability to keep another DL to develop under Pleasant and Romeo...a guy like Bair is someone I really like for that spot.

I bet he makes the 53 now.

RedThat
08-03-2011, 05:47 PM
And it's the difference maker that give them the advantage. Hence the reason we need an outstanding pass rush.

We are on our way there imo.

Hali as we all know was a beast last year. Gilberry ascended last year, and hopefully he can continue to improve.

Drafting Justin Houston should help the pass rush. Now if they could just get him signed...And not to mention we also got a lot of speed on D. DJ can blitz, Berry as well, and so can Arenas. I think as a team overall, the Chiefs have the potential to put together a good passrush.

And who knows? Maybe a darkhorse could be on the rise for us? Sheffield?

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 06:02 PM
haha

Butthurt much?

"Pioli is just sitting on his hands while good players are signed everywhere else"

Meanwhile, in real life in the NFL, Pioli is slowly building a fucking powerhouse.

Tell us again how you know more than Pioli and how poor a job hes doing.

Its gonna be fun once we win a playoff game this year to bump the posts....and Franklin will be riding the pine half the time for a 4-3 team because no 3-4 teams wanted him.


Pointing out your hypocrisy is butthurt? I'm loving this signing, but I love it because I'm not such a dipshit that I believe the fact that he only got a 1 yr deal on favorable terms mean that he's garbage, which is exactly what you said w/r/t Franklin and Lawson.

How 'bout the fact that what Pioli just did is EXACTLY what I've been saying I hoped he would do for awhile now? Does that mean he knows exactly the same amount I do?

C'mon, big fella. Tell me why a 26 yr old fullback with a 900 yd season under his belt only had one suitor and why he didn't break the bank. Tell me why Manny Lawson must suck because he only got a 1 yr deal, meanwhile Scott Pioli is brilliant for bringing in McClain....who only got a 1 yr deal.

Your logic was laughable when you presented it and it took all of 8 hours for it to be thrown right back in your face.

Keep on swingin' from those nuts, hoss. And whatever you do, don't offer an analysis of your own, just keep on using absurd logic, blindly supporting Pioli and begging Clay to make .gifs for you.

ForeverChiefs58
08-03-2011, 06:03 PM
McClain offers more versatility.

Yep. Mcclain helps in many, many different ways too. We struggled in short yardage, I think he improves us there a lot, not only FB and RB, but also helps a lot in pass blocking for Cassel.

I think they keep Thomas. Maybe with a good fullback, Two yard Thomas turns into Four Yard Thomas this year. That will make such a huge difference, especially on 3rd and short. Imagine if he was able to do that against the Ravens when Charles went down, it really would have been a different game. That is just the running game. We'll also be that much better in the passing game too.

milkman
08-03-2011, 06:06 PM
Yep. Mcclain helps in many, many different ways too. We struggled in short yardage, I think he improves us there a lot, not only FB and RB, but also helps a lot in pass blocking for Cassel.

I think they keep Thomas. Maybe with a good fullback, Two yard Thomas turns into Four Yard Thomas this year. That will make such a huge difference, especially on 3rd and short. Imagine if he was able to do that against the Ravens when Charles went down, it really would have been a different game. That is just the running game. We'll also be that much better in the passing game too.

I don't think he helps Thomas go from 2 yards to 4 yards, unless he's picking him up and throwing him through the hole.

BossChief
08-03-2011, 06:18 PM
Pointing out your hypocrisy is butthurt? I'm loving this signing, but I love it because I'm not such a dipshit that I believe the fact that he only got a 1 yr deal on favorable terms mean that he's garbage, which is exactly what you said w/r/t Franklin and Lawson.

How 'bout the fact that what Pioli just did is EXACTLY what I've been saying I hoped he would do for awhile now? Does that mean he knows exactly the same amount I do?

C'mon, big fella. Tell me why a 26 yr old fullback with a 900 yd season under his belt only had one suitor and why he didn't break the bank. Tell me why Manny Lawson must suck because he only got a 1 yr deal, meanwhile Scott Pioli is brilliant for bringing in McClain....who only got a 1 yr deal.

Your logic was laughable when you presented it and it took all of 8 hours for it to be thrown right back in your face.

Keep on swingin' from those nuts, hoss. And whatever you do, don't offer an analysis of your own, just keep on using absurd logic, blindly supporting Pioli and begging Clay to make .gifs for you.
you are being dumb on purpose.

I said I liked Lawson and posted that he would have been a good signing.

Twist things to make them seem like something else all YOU want.

I also stated that there had to be something out that that was keeping teams away from signing him.

Those were almost word for word what I said about Manny.

I gave GoChiefs the ammo to show exactly why Franklin would be passed on, he got DESTROYED by CASEY WEIGMANN. Make all the excuses you want, but he signed with a team that runs a scheme and base defense he hasnt played in as a pro for a one year "show me" deal after just finishing a one year deal.

Sorry that you dont understand simple logic and choose to show your ass.

"Does that mean he knows exactly the same amount I do?"

HMOG

that has to be one of the funniest things posted here for awhile now.

You couldn't shine his fucking shoes and making claims like that make you look very very foolish.

Its a shame, you are usually a pretty solid poster.

haha begging clay to do what?

clueless

Just Passin' By
08-03-2011, 06:32 PM
Pointing out your hypocrisy is butthurt? I'm loving this signing, but I love it because I'm not such a dipshit that I believe the fact that he only got a 1 yr deal on favorable terms mean that he's garbage, which is exactly what you said w/r/t Franklin and Lawson.

How 'bout the fact that what Pioli just did is EXACTLY what I've been saying I hoped he would do for awhile now? Does that mean he knows exactly the same amount I do?

C'mon, big fella. Tell me why a 26 yr old fullback with a 900 yd season under his belt only had one suitor and why he didn't break the bank. Tell me why Manny Lawson must suck because he only got a 1 yr deal, meanwhile Scott Pioli is brilliant for bringing in McClain....who only got a 1 yr deal.

Your logic was laughable when you presented it and it took all of 8 hours for it to be thrown right back in your face.

Keep on swingin' from those nuts, hoss. And whatever you do, don't offer an analysis of your own, just keep on using absurd logic, blindly supporting Pioli and begging Clay to make .gifs for you.

Are you seriously trying to equate the fullback position and the linebacker position when it comes to number of suitors and contract offers, for the purpose of calling someone out over McClain's 1 year deal? You're trying to compare a position with 2 starters, plus backups, on every team, to a position that doesn't even exist on some teams in the league?

Did someone hit you in the head recently, or something?

BossChief
08-03-2011, 06:37 PM
Are you seriously trying to equate the fullback position and the linebacker position when it comes to number of suitors and contract offers, for the purpose of calling someone out over McClain's 1 year deal? You're trying to compare a position with 2 starters, plus backups, on every team, to a position that doesn't even exist on some teams in the league?

Did someone hit you in the head recently, or something?

I can defend myself, but thanks.

I wanted to keep that in my pocket till his next response.

bevischief
08-03-2011, 06:38 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8/3/2342955/when-you-have-20-minutes-set-aside-i-think-as-chiefs-fans-we-should

When you have 20 minutes set aside, I think as Chiefs fans, we should see what we're bringing into Arrowhead. I'm all about getting good players. I think Le'Ron McClain is a great player... But this move doesn't make a WHOLE lot of sense to me. Not so much because we don't need a player like him, but more so, do we need a person like him? This organization has become one of "The Right 53" and bringing in leaders, and men that lead by example... Is that Le'Ron McClain? Is this Larry Johnson Pt. 2? I certainly hope not. Watch and leave a comment.

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 06:40 PM
Are you seriously trying to equate the fullback position and the linebacker position when it comes to number of suitors and contract offers, for the purpose of calling someone out over McClain's 1 year deal? You're trying to compare a position with 2 starters, plus backups, on every team, to a position that doesn't even exist on some teams in the league?

Did someone hit you in the head recently, or something?

Absolutely.

McClain is better than at least 3/4 of the fullbacks in the league. Almost any team would be improved by adding him. Yet he only got a 1 year deal and folks weren't exactly busting his door down to bring him in.

And sure, some teams don't use FBs, but a lot of teams don't use 3-4 OLBs either. A lot of teams don't use true NTs either. Just as there are a limited number of teams that need a FB, there are a limited number of teams that need a NT or a 3-4 strong-side backer.

The logic is raw horseshit. I don't know why teams didn't pursue Manny Lawson. I don't know why he took a 1 yr deal. But I know he's been a successful veteran player in this league and is a very gifted ballplayer.

Ultra Peanut
08-03-2011, 06:42 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8/3/2342955/when-you-have-20-minutes-set-aside-i-think-as-chiefs-fans-we-should

When you have 20 minutes set aside, I think as Chiefs fans, we should see what we're bringing into Arrowhead. I'm all about getting good players. I think Le'Ron McClain is a great player... But this move doesn't make a WHOLE lot of sense to me. Not so much because we don't need a player like him, but more so, do we need a person like him? This organization has become one of "The Right 53" and bringing in leaders, and men that lead by example... Is that Le'Ron McClain? Is this Larry Johnson Pt. 2? I certainly hope not. Watch and leave a comment.get out of my internet, chumpski

Just Passin' By
08-03-2011, 06:46 PM
Absolutely.

McClain is better than at least 3/4 of the fullbacks in the league. Almost any team would be improved by adding him. Yet he only got a 1 year deal and folks weren't exactly busting his door down to bring him in.

And sure, some teams don't use FBs, but a lot of teams don't use 3-4 OLBs either. A lot of teams don't use true NTs either. Just as there are a limited number of teams that need a FB, there are a limited number of teams that need a NT or a 3-4 strong-side backer.

The logic is raw horseshit. I don't know why teams didn't pursue Manny Lawson. I don't know why he took a 1 yr deal. But I know he's been a successful veteran player in this league and is a very gifted ballplayer.

The logic isn't horseshit at all. There are teams that are desperate for outside linebackers, yet Lawson couldn't get any real deal. The Patriots are bringing in stiffs like Quentin Moses for looks, for crying out loud. On the other hand, fullback was not a position with all kinds of teams clamoring for one.

keg in kc
08-03-2011, 06:48 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8/3/2342955/when-you-have-20-minutes-set-aside-i-think-as-chiefs-fans-we-should

When you have 20 minutes set aside, I think as Chiefs fans, we should see what we're bringing into Arrowhead. I'm all about getting good players. I think Le'Ron McClain is a great player... But this move doesn't make a WHOLE lot of sense to me. Not so much because we don't need a player like him, but more so, do we need a person like him? This organization has become one of "The Right 53" and bringing in leaders, and men that lead by example... Is that Le'Ron McClain? Is this Larry Johnson Pt. 2? I certainly hope not. Watch and leave a comment.Reading that, I start to wonder if I took a left turn and ended up on KlanPlanet or something.

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 06:48 PM
you are being dumb on purpose.

I said I liked Lawson and posted that he would have been a good signing.

Twist things to make them seem like something else all YOU want.

I also stated that there had to be something out that that was keeping teams away from signing him.

Those were almost word for word what I said about Manny.

I gave GoChiefs the ammo to show exactly why Franklin would be passed on, he got DESTROYED by CASEY WEIGMANN. Make all the excuses you want, but he signed with a team that runs a scheme and base defense he hasnt played in as a pro for a one year "show me" deal after just finishing a one year deal.

Sorry that you dont understand simple logic and choose to show your ass.

"Does that mean he knows exactly the same amount I do?"

HMOG

that has to be one of the funniest things posted here for awhile now.

You couldn't shine his fucking shoes and making claims like that make you look very very foolish.

Its a shame, you are usually a pretty solid poster.

haha begging clay to do what?

clueless

You, on the other hand, are pretty much a mindless Pioli ball-washer across the board.

As an aggregate, of course I don't know more about football than Pioli (are you really that blind to satire?) - but Pioli's absolutely fucked up decisions that I'd have made better than him. Seriously - the 2nd round last year was a damn abortion, as was the Jackson pick. Until every single decision he makes is balls-on, he's fallible the same as the rest of us and every individual move is subject to scrutiny. Will he be right more than us? Yup, but he'll be wrong on a fair occasion.

So to just do that mindless 'appeal to authority' bullshit makes you the most useless kind of poster.

Again - before he was signed, you said Franklin would be a terrible signing because of the money and years. He was a bad signing because long-term security would make him a lazy paycheck player. Now that he's signed cheap (and on a 1-yr deal where he'd have had to produce to get paid), you're saying he must be useless because he signed cheap. In essence, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED, you'd have declared yourself right. That speaks directly to how fluid your position was and how flawed the logic in the latter position is. If Pioli did it, you were going to defend it.

There are guys that play great football every single season on 1 year deals. The fact that you continue to ignore that point speaks volumes to its validity and the complete irrationality of your suggestion that a 1-yr deal means a player has no value.

milkman
08-03-2011, 06:49 PM
Absolutely.

McClain is better than at least 3/4 of the fullbacks in the league. Almost any team would be improved by adding him. Yet he only got a 1 year deal and folks weren't exactly busting his door down to bring him in.

And sure, some teams don't use FBs, but a lot of teams don't use 3-4 OLBs either. A lot of teams don't use true NTs either. Just as there are a limited number of teams that need a FB, there are a limited number of teams that need a NT or a 3-4 strong-side backer.

The logic is raw horseshit. I don't know why teams didn't pursue Manny Lawson. I don't know why he took a 1 yr deal. But I know he's been a successful veteran player in this league and is a very gifted ballplayer.

The reality is, however, that OLBs and NTs in a 34 are in demand far more than FBs.

FBs are afterthoughts.
Guys that don't get picked in the draft until the 5th round or later, even if they are considered the best at their position.

FBs, regardless of success, are always 2nd tier guys in free agency.

Superturtle
08-03-2011, 06:51 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2011/8/3/2342955/when-you-have-20-minutes-set-aside-i-think-as-chiefs-fans-we-should

When you have 20 minutes set aside, I think as Chiefs fans, we should see what we're bringing into Arrowhead. I'm all about getting good players. I think Le'Ron McClain is a great player... But this move doesn't make a WHOLE lot of sense to me. Not so much because we don't need a player like him, but more so, do we need a person like him? This organization has become one of "The Right 53" and bringing in leaders, and men that lead by example... Is that Le'Ron McClain? Is this Larry Johnson Pt. 2? I certainly hope not. Watch and leave a comment.
LMFAO at his glasses.

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mI0I9oR1Vww" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

He looks just like RUN DMC.

http://mapmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/RUNDMC_Patch.jpg

ZootedGranny
08-03-2011, 06:51 PM
*Scared whitebread ArrowheadPride poster quote*

What a fucking dork.

BossChief
08-03-2011, 06:54 PM
Absolutely.

McClain is better than at least 3/4 of the fullbacks in the league. Almost any team would be improved by adding him. Yet he only got a 1 year deal and folks weren't exactly busting his door down to bring him in.

And sure, some teams don't use FBs, but a lot of teams don't use 3-4 OLBs either. A lot of teams don't use true NTs either. Just as there are a limited number of teams that need a FB, there are a limited number of teams that need a NT or a 3-4 strong-side backer.

The logic is raw horseshit. I don't know why teams didn't pursue Manny Lawson. I don't know why he took a 1 yr deal. But I know he's been a successful veteran player in this league and is a very gifted ballplayer.
...and NONE of them wanted either player for whatever the reason, a lot of which I have listed over and over through all of this.

Both players signed with 4-3 teams even though they have played their whole entire NFL careers in 3-4 defenses.

Its funny that you think you are somehow winning this...

Red Coater
08-03-2011, 06:54 PM
Maybe Cassel will do better without cox behind him

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 06:55 PM
The logic isn't horseshit at all. There are teams that are desperate for outside linebackers, yet Lawson couldn't get any real deal. The Patriots are bringing in stiffs like Quentin Moses for looks, for crying out loud. On the other hand, fullback was not a position with all kinds of teams clamoring for one.

Exactly!

Do you honestly think Quentin Moses is a better player than Manny fucking Lawson? No, he isn't, and nobody in the NFL would try to argue otherwise. Manny Lawson may not be a pro-bowler, but he's absolutely a viable NFL football player and there are a whole lot of guys on rosters right now that aren't.

Do you believe Manny Lawson will be the worst starting OLB in football this season? Because for your position to have merit - if he had zero suitors because of lack of value - that means every one of those teams must have assumed they were in a better position without him than with him.

Surely you're not prepared to make that argument. And if you're not, it makes it very clear that there are a lot of reasons some players aren't pursued by teams. It speaks directly to the logical fallacy.

Or maybe Quentin Moses really is a better player than Manny Lawson :rolleyes:

notorious
08-03-2011, 06:56 PM
Maybe Cassel will do better without cox behind him

No matter who is behind Matt, they will receive a golden shower when the pressure is on.

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 06:57 PM
...and NONE of them wanted either player for whatever the reason, a lot of which I have listed over and over through all of this.

Both players signed with 4-3 teams even though they have played their whole entire NFL careers in 3-4 defenses.

Its funny that you think you are somehow winning this...

It's funny that you continue to ignore the fact that every single season teams get great performances out of guys on 1-yr deals.

Even funnier that you've just switched horses mid-stream (a lame one at that) so you could declare victory.

Scrub scrub scrub, ballwasher.

KcMizzou
08-03-2011, 07:03 PM
LMFAO at his glasses.

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/mI0I9oR1Vww" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Little shout out to Javier Arenas at the 13:05 mark.


We have a hat burning! Alert Buck!

DJ's left nut
08-03-2011, 07:10 PM
For instance - Ryan Harris just signed a 1 yr deal with the Eagles.

He must suck. Clearly Barry Richardson and Ryan O'Callaghan are better players than him.

Right? Signing a 1 yr deal as a veteran player means that nobody was interested in giving you a long term deal - right Bosschief? It means that you weren't an upgrade for the Chiefs because they didn't bring you in.

Or is it that tackles are undervalued positions?

Or is it an absolute bullshit position taken by a guy who's bending over backwards to defend his hero?

Yeah - I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this one.

Fruit Ninja
08-03-2011, 07:13 PM
how do we know that Pioli and the Chiefs didnt try to get the other guys that ended up somewhere else? I think people forget that, just maybe they didnt want to play in middle america.

Just because we didnt sign a guy, doesnt mean they didnt try. All i see is, we should have got that, guy, we should have got this guy. Maybe that frucking guy didnt want KC? There is nothing in the last 40 years that shows big named free agents that KC is the place to go to win.

BossChief
08-03-2011, 07:14 PM
You, on the other hand, are pretty much a mindless Pioli ball-washer across the board.

As an aggregate, of course I don't know more about football than Pioli (are you really that blind to satire?) - but Pioli's absolutely fucked up decisions that I'd have made better than him. Seriously - the 2nd round last year was a damn abortion, as was the Jackson pick. Until every single decision he makes is balls-on, he's fallible the same as the rest of us and every individual move is subject to scrutiny. Will he be right more than us? Yup, but he'll be wrong on a fair occasion.

So to just do that mindless 'appeal to authority' bullshit makes you the most useless kind of poster.

Again - before he was signed, you said Franklin would be a terrible signing because of the money and years. He was a bad signing because long-term security would make him a lazy paycheck player. Now that he's signed cheap (and on a 1-yr deal where he'd have had to produce to get paid), you're saying he must be useless because he signed cheap. In essence, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED, you'd have declared yourself right. That speaks directly to how fluid your position was and how flawed the logic in the latter position is. If Pioli did it, you were going to defend it.

There are guys that play great football every single season on 1 year deals. The fact that you continue to ignore that point speaks volumes to its validity and the complete irrationality of your suggestion that a 1-yr deal means a player has no value.ROFL

you make one dumb post to backup another, and another....etc.

I was right there with some of you hating the Cassel trade...I hated the 09 draft (outside of Alex Magee and Succop)

Since then, he has kicked the shit out of drafts and free agency periods, on a budget, like no other. Even picked up another GMOTY award in the process.

I obviously wanted Clausen and Cody in the second round of the 2010 draft and really disliked both the Arenas and DMC picks...does that make my picks "better" than his?

NO, it doesnt and its foolish to even suggest such a thing after only one fucking year. No matter how it looks right now.

Cody can bust and Clausen pretty much already has.

Codys vastly fluctuating weight (and therefore dedication to the game) was the problem and it could very well end him up in the SIms/Siavii role in a couple years...time will tell.

Its also sad that you keep bringing up the 1 year deal as if I was wayy off on that.

You do realize that Franklin was coming off a fucking 1 year deal, right?

One that he got paid (big time, on the franchise tag) and fell asleep...you do know that, dont you? Im sure youve seen him play against Weigmann like he just got off the couch for the first time in months and got thrown around like he was outweighed by 100 pounds.

Jesus fuck, this is embarrassing for you right now, you are usually a solid poster here.

You should just do as Billay did and slowly back away and never return to this debate before further damage is done.

seriously.

The reality is, however, that OLBs and NTs in a 34 are in demand far more than FBs.

FBs are afterthoughts.
Guys that don't get picked in the draft until the 5th round or later, even if they are considered the best at their position.

FBs, regardless of success, are always 2nd tier guys in free agency.
just let him think he is winning this debate, its much more fun that way.

milkman
08-03-2011, 07:17 PM
ROFL

you make one dumb post to backup another, and another....etc.

I was right there with some of you hating the Cassel trade...I hated the 09 draft (outside of Alex Magee and Succop)

Since then, he has kicked the shit out of drafts and free agency periods, on a budget, like no other. Even picked up another GMOTY award in the process.

I obviously wanted Clausen and Cody in the second round of the 2010 draft and really disliked both the Arenas and DMC picks...does that make my picks "better" than his?

NO, it doesnt and its foolish to even suggest such a thing after only one ****ing year. No matter how it looks right now.

Cody can bust and Clausen pretty much already has.

Codys vastly fluctuating weight (and therefore dedication to the game) was the problem and it could very well end him up in the SIms/Siavii role in a couple years...time will tell.

Its also sad that you keep bringing up the 1 year deal as if I was wayy off on that.

You do realize that Franklin was coming off a ****ing 1 year deal, right?

One that he got paid (big time, on the franchise tag) and fell asleep...you do know that, dont you? Im sure youve seen him play against Weigmann like he just got off the couch for the first time in months and got thrown around like he was outweighed by 100 pounds.

Jesus ****, this is embarrassing for you right now, you are usually a solid poster here.

You should just do as Billay did and slowly back away and never return to this debate before further damage is done.

seriously.


just let him think he is winning this debate, its much more fun that way.

I don't think either side is "winning" the debate.

I think leftnut makes some valid points, and I think you do, as well.

I was just pointing out one thing I thought was pertinent.

durtyrute
08-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Yeah, sure.





When?

I don't have game tape but I've seen it.......even though he's not in that much.

Not the fastest man but a beast no less, of course I wanted to give Brodie more chances until the season before last.

:evil:

BossChief
08-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Exactly!

Do you honestly think Quentin Moses is a better player than Manny fucking Lawson? No, he isn't, and nobody in the NFL would try to argue otherwise. Manny Lawson may not be a pro-bowler, but he's absolutely a viable NFL football player and there are a whole lot of guys on rosters right now that aren't.

Do you believe Manny Lawson will be the worst starting OLB in football this season? Because for your position to have merit - if he had zero suitors because of lack of value - that means every one of those teams must have assumed they were in a better position without him than with him.

Surely you're not prepared to make that argument. And if you're not, it makes it very clear that there are a lot of reasons some players aren't pursued by teams. It speaks directly to the logical fallacy.

Or maybe Quentin Moses really is a better player than Manny Lawson :rolleyes:
Or maybe (as I suggested multiple times) there is something keeping teams away from him that may have nothing to do with football.

Maybe he raped someone and it got brushed under the NFL rug...maybe he questions authority on a constant basis...maybe he is gay....maybe he cant eliminate his tendancies and gives defenses tells on every play.

None of us know, but the people in NFL circles do or else he would have gotten a big deal...you know, if he is as good a player as we think he is.

Its sad I had to point that out for you.
It's funny that you continue to ignore the fact that every single season teams get great performances out of guys on 1-yr deals.

Even funnier that you've just switched horses mid-stream (a lame one at that) so you could declare victory.

Scrub scrub scrub, ballwasher.I dont even know what this post means, but Im sure its right on par with the rest of them.

I havent switched horses mid stream.

Not really sure what the fuck you are referencing.

For instance - Ryan Harris just signed a 1 yr deal with the Eagles.

He must suck. Clearly Barry Richardson and Ryan O'Callaghan are better players than him.

Right? Signing a 1 yr deal as a veteran player means that nobody was interested in giving you a long term deal - right Bosschief? It means that you weren't an upgrade for the Chiefs because they didn't bring you in.

Or is it that tackles are undervalued positions?

Or is it an absolute bullshit position taken by a guy who's bending over backwards to defend his hero?

Yeah - I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this one.

JFC

this just keeps getting worse and worse.

Ryan Harris has missed 14 games the last 2 years.

thats half the games.

Try to respond to that without using the word Moeaki.

ready?

set?

GO!!!!

RedThat
08-03-2011, 07:25 PM
The reality is, however, that OLBs and NTs in a 34 are in demand far more than FBs.

FBs are afterthoughts.
Guys that don't get picked in the draft until the 5th round or later, even if they are considered the best at their position.

FBs, regardless of success, are always 2nd tier guys in free agency.

I agree they usually are. But in all honesty, I think FB is a position that is overlooked as well. Imo, not that much emphasis is placed on the importance of the position itself.

How good it is to have a good fullback? just rememberring the days when TRich would open holes for Priest, and paved the way for his running lanes or when he would take on blitzers. I miss that. That adds another dimension to your offense that people hardly talk about.

BossChief
08-03-2011, 07:35 PM
I don't think either side is "winning" the debate.

I think leftnut makes some valid points, and I think you do, as well.

I was just pointing out one thing I thought was pertinent.

if the premise of the argument is that Pioli fucked up by not signing Franklin (which it is) what valid points has leftnut made?

I must have missed them.

milkman
08-03-2011, 07:41 PM
if the premise of the argument is that Pioli ****ed up by not signing Franklin (which it is) what valid points has leftnut made?

I must have missed them.

Not going to back and reread the argument, but I think his primary point is that a 1 year deal isn't necessarily indicative of a player's merits, or lack thereof.

BossChief
08-03-2011, 07:51 PM
Not going to back and reread the argument, but I think his primary point is that a 1 year deal isn't necessarily indicative of a player's merits, or lack thereof.
I think there is one major saving point for his side of the argument that he has failed to mention...

The new CBA (with such a lower ceiling) has made it to where teams have to be a lot more careful as to WHO they sign because it can bite them far worse than in the past if it doesnt work out.

Lets say you give Franklin a 4 year deal worth 25-28 million and half of that guaranteed (what he was asking for) and he flops.

That hurts your team badly because of the cash part of the equation.

7 or 8 million dollars worth of cash takes you down to 112 that you can spend and it can really hurt teams that are looking to push the cap.

Having a guy like Pioli on our side that already preaches signing the right guys is gonna continue to pay dividends.

Players that have a boom bust tag to them (like Franklin) will feel that the most. I should have worded that "have felt".

The "sure thing" type of guys will command a premium and it will change the way Agents prepare their clients in the future.

What does that mean?

Teams looked at him as exactly that.

Superturtle
08-03-2011, 07:52 PM
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BossChief
08-03-2011, 07:53 PM
ROFL

Just Passin' By
08-03-2011, 07:55 PM
Exactly!

Do you honestly think Quentin Moses is a better player than Manny ****ing Lawson? No, he isn't, and nobody in the NFL would try to argue otherwise. Manny Lawson may not be a pro-bowler, but he's absolutely a viable NFL football player and there are a whole lot of guys on rosters right now that aren't.

Do you believe Manny Lawson will be the worst starting OLB in football this season? Because for your position to have merit - if he had zero suitors because of lack of value - that means every one of those teams must have assumed they were in a better position without him than with him.

Surely you're not prepared to make that argument. And if you're not, it makes it very clear that there are a lot of reasons some players aren't pursued by teams. It speaks directly to the logical fallacy.

Or maybe Quentin Moses really is a better player than Manny Lawson :rolleyes:

I think that it's interesting to see the Patriots bringing in Quentin Moses instead of Manny Lawson, and not in any way that reflects well on Lawson, because the Patriots are obviously not the only team that didn't go knocking down Lawson's door and are representative of the league's apathy. I think that it's funny to watch you trying to continue this argument, which is really nothing more than "Pioli didn't draft everyone I wanted!", despite the fact that Pioli has obviously made moves to address perceived weaknesses, and (probably) upgraded multiple positions in the process.

KCrockaholic
08-03-2011, 07:56 PM
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Interesting vid....

And Roland Burks is a Chiefs fan FWIW. Well, at least that's how it appears on his twitter.

http://twitter.com/#!/rolandburks

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