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Direckshun
08-04-2011, 01:33 AM
* He franchised Hali at the start of it.

* He drafted the following: 1. WR Jonathan Baldwin + a 3rd
2. C Rodney Hudson
3. OLB Justin Houston
3. DE Allen Bailey
4. CB Jalil Brown
5. QB Ricky Stanzi
5. OLB Gabe Miller
6. NT Jerrell Powe
7. FB Shane Bannon
* Vrabel retires. (Pioli's commitment to youth at OLB at least a contributing factor.)

* Signed Casey Wiegmann.

* Brought in a dozen UDFAs, including three people I would imagine will make the roster: DE Brandon Bair, OT David Mims, and KR Demond Washington.

* Signed Steve Breaston.

* Brought back Battle, Cox, Copper, Pope, O'Callaghan, Daniels, McGraw, and Langford.

* Brought every rookie but Houston into camp on time.

* Richardson, Gilberry will sign their tenders. Carr is holding out as of this moment.

* Signed Kelly Gregg.

* Sign LeRon McClain.

* Locked up Hali long term.

This is a typical offseason for Pioli. Discipline, discipline, discipline, and hold out for value at every turn.

As a result, we can say that this team has been moderately improved for 2011 by these moves alone, but that the biggest improvement will be for all this youth to see the field and as it improves, the sky's the limit.

Bravo.

Count Alex's Losses
08-04-2011, 01:38 AM
2011 offseason > 2010 offseason

KurtCobain
08-04-2011, 01:39 AM
2012 Offseason = Who cares? We just won the superbowl!

MoreLemonPledge
08-04-2011, 01:42 AM
Solid moves, if unspectacular. This is the type of offseason we should expect from Pioli every year now.

KurtCobain
08-04-2011, 01:43 AM
So we'll sign a pro bowl FB to a one year deal every year?

Count Alex's Losses
08-04-2011, 01:44 AM
I'm eager to see what Pioli does when he wants to bring in one or two big time impact players to get us over a hump.

Could be an awesome trade in the future.

mcaj22
08-04-2011, 01:45 AM
once and awhile he will try and make the splash, at least that's what his MO was in NE, I am starting to learn toward that being more Bill though by the recent Ocho/Haynesworth signings.

but I mean, I am curious to see if by year 4 or year 5 and the team progression if he brings that Corey Dillon, Adalius Thomas type FA in on a big contract splash.

Direckshun
08-04-2011, 01:47 AM
once and awhile he will try and make the splash, at least that's what his MO was in NE, I am starting to learn toward that being more Bill though by the recent Ocho/Haynesworth signings.

but I mean, I am curious to see if by year 4 or year 5 and the team progression if he brings that Corey Dillon, Adalius Thomas type FA in on a big contract splash.

Yup. The solid, steady acquisitions were clearly Pioli's work.

The bigger boom-or-bust, flair signings seem to have Belichek's fingers all over them.

BigMeatballDave
08-04-2011, 01:47 AM
Carr isn't technically a hold out until after today. Right?

MoreLemonPledge
08-04-2011, 01:50 AM
So we'll sign a pro bowl FB to a one year deal every year?

TYPE of season, Joey. Solid, somewhat boring moves that are nevertheless solid improvements.

-King-
08-04-2011, 01:54 AM
Carr isn't technically a hold out until after today. Right?

He's going to sign his tender today and practice.

-King-
08-04-2011, 01:55 AM
I'm eager to see what Pioli does when he wants to bring in one or two big time impact players to get us over a hump.

Could be an awesome trade in the future.

Patrick Willis :drool:

BigMeatballDave
08-04-2011, 01:56 AM
He's going to sign his tender today and practice.I figured as much.

beach tribe
08-04-2011, 01:57 AM
Yup. The solid, steady acquisitions were clearly Pioli's work.

The bigger boom-or-bust, flair signings seem to have Belichek's fingers all over them.

I disagree. Pioli is still filling out the roster, top to bottom. When he feels he's almost finished, I guarantee the final pieces are HUGE.

Count Alex's Losses
08-04-2011, 01:59 AM
Patrick Willis :drool:

Blockbuster trade for OLB or LT :hmmm:

Chocolate Hog
08-04-2011, 02:00 AM
Can compete this year if a few things go right (Someone else provides a pass rush besides Tamba, The tackles hold up, and Matt Cassel). Setup nicely for 2012.

Direckshun
08-04-2011, 02:00 AM
Blockbuster trade for OLB or LT :hmmm:

Pioli's big splashes in New England were what?

WR. And ROLB.

Chiefs=Good
08-04-2011, 02:24 AM
Blockbuster trade for OLB or LT :hmmm:

QB?








Oh wait.. :huh:

kysirsoze
08-04-2011, 03:07 AM
I know it's popular to an extent to bash guys that are totally on board with Pioli around here, but I'm sorry. It's just too easy.

The guy, despite some questionable/poor decisions here or there, has consistently improved this team at every turn. We keep getting better and I am more excited now than ever. This offseason was fucking great. Sure, there are parts of my wishlist left unchecked, but Pioli has done a good enough job so far to earn some credit.

There are a bunch of questions this year facing such a brutal schedule, but I can't wait to see how these guys measure up against the league's best. FUCK I can't wait for this season to start.

griZZly64
08-04-2011, 03:31 AM
I like the way things are moving. Def going to have to keep it up. BTW, how many posts I gotta have to start a thread?

kysirsoze
08-04-2011, 03:35 AM
I like the way things are moving. Def going to have to keep it up. BTW, how many posts I gotta have to start a thread?

5,000. Better get going.

griZZly64
08-04-2011, 03:37 AM
Damn I wanted to post something about my madden lg.. I guess I'll have to find some1 help me out.

ChiefsCountry
08-04-2011, 03:59 AM
I'm eager to see what Pioli does when he wants to bring in one or two big time impact players to get us over a hump.

Could be an awesome trade in the future.

Like Quarterback?

MoreLemonPledge
08-04-2011, 04:17 AM
Like Quarterback?

Pretty sure he already did that trade...

kysirsoze
08-04-2011, 04:22 AM
Damn I wanted to post something about my madden lg.. I guess I'll have to find some1 help me out.

Shit, I think he believed me. I think it's 100 posts or something. But don't post something lame. Unless its funny lame. You know what, just PM me your thread and I'll council you on what to do next.

CoMoChief
08-04-2011, 04:36 AM
Blockbuster trade for OLB or LT :hmmm:

or send MC plus a 2nd to NO for Brees.


i can dream right?

keg in kc
08-04-2011, 06:19 AM
No complaints, the kind of signings I expect, so far, but still incomplete; needs a bit of o-line depth, I think.

Okie_Apparition
08-04-2011, 06:50 AM
As well as Pioli has done. Clark has to be on the lookout for his replacement. It's the nature of the beast. Or you end up with Peterson, who stayed twice as long as he should have

Amnorix
08-04-2011, 08:35 AM
Are you guys ready for Pioli to trade a #1 pick in year X for a 2 in year X and a 1 in year X+1?

Ready to see him constantly sliding back in the draft to get more draft picks? NOT picking the guy on the board that YOU want (and are convinced is THE difference between winning the SB and not)?

Ready to see your favorite players leave the team for more money elsewhere?

Because if he's following the BB playbook, it's gonna happen. And believe me, huge portions of the fan base will NOT be happy. Some Pats fans still bitch about it, and can list EVERY player on the board that BB didn't draft who performed very well as a pro.

Deberg_1990
08-04-2011, 08:44 AM
Are you guys ready for Pioli to trade a #1 pick in year X for a 2 in year X and a 1 in year X+1?

Ready to see him constantly sliding back in the draft to get more draft picks? NOT picking the guy on the board that YOU want (and are convinced is THE difference between winning the SB and not)?

Ready to see your favorite players leave the team for more money elsewhere?

Because if he's following the BB playbook, it's gonna happen. And believe me, huge portions of the fan base will NOT be happy. Some Pats fans still bitch about it, and can list EVERY player on the board that BB didn't draft who performed very well as a pro.

heh, sometimes i think BB overthinks things and outsmarts himself instead of just doing the most obvious correct thing.

InChiefsHell
08-04-2011, 09:23 AM
Are you guys ready for Pioli to trade a #1 pick in year X for a 2 in year X and a 1 in year X+1?

Ready to see him constantly sliding back in the draft to get more draft picks? NOT picking the guy on the board that YOU want (and are convinced is THE difference between winning the SB and not)?

Ready to see your favorite players leave the team for more money elsewhere?

Because if he's following the BB playbook, it's gonna happen. And believe me, huge portions of the fan base will NOT be happy. Some Pats fans still bitch about it, and can list EVERY player on the board that BB didn't draft who performed very well as a pro.

Um...how many SB's? A team that is a consistent contender for the last decade? I think Chiefs fans could live with it. If Pats fans are bitching about their team, it makes me hate them even more. No offense.

wazu
08-04-2011, 09:33 AM
Are you guys ready for Pioli to trade a #1 pick in year X for a 2 in year X and a 1 in year X+1?

Ready to see him constantly sliding back in the draft to get more draft picks? NOT picking the guy on the board that YOU want (and are convinced is THE difference between winning the SB and not)?

Ready to see your favorite players leave the team for more money elsewhere?

Yes, yes, and yes. Oh, and Pioli - if you are reading this: Matt Cassel is my favorite player.

Sofa King
08-04-2011, 09:36 AM
As well as Pioli has done. Clark has to be on the lookout for his replacement. It's the nature of the beast. Or you end up with Peterson, who stayed twice as long as he should have

:spock:

Chiefnj2
08-04-2011, 09:41 AM
Overall he's done a good job on paper this offseason.

I'm still puzzled over the NT's he's passed over in the last two drafts and the fact that he didn't draft or sign bigger named free agents for the OT positions.

Reerun_KC
08-04-2011, 09:47 AM
As well as Pioli has done. Clark has to be on the lookout for his replacement. It's the nature of the beast. Or you end up with Peterson, who stayed twice as long as he should have

Wow that was stupid...

Reerun_KC
08-04-2011, 09:54 AM
Overall he's done a good job on paper this offseason.

I'm still puzzled over the NT's he's passed over in the last two drafts and the fact that he didn't draft or sign bigger named free agents for the OT positions.

its a process...

Amnorix
08-04-2011, 10:09 AM
heh, sometimes i think BB overthinks things and outsmarts himself instead of just doing the most obvious correct thing.

Some Pats fans have said that also.

ct
08-04-2011, 10:10 AM
Um...how many SB's? A team that is a consistent contender for the last decade? I think Chiefs fans could live with it. If Pats fans are bitching about their team, it makes me hate them even more. No offense.

No offense, but are you new around here?

Pioli has done a solid job to get this ship headed the right direction. I'm thinking we need to remember it was BOTH the slow and steady, PLUS the occasional splash approach that get the job done for NE. That and finding the franchise QB gem in the 6th round, who was ready to shock the world in season 1.5, that had a bit to do with it too.

I was already ticked this year that we didn't take Carimi @21, but after getting past that, I like what they did. Certainly takes the luster off that Houston is still holding out, i'll be frank on that one! Overall tho, if we can make some moves to keep multiple picks stacked for next year, allowing maximum flexibility, I'm totally on board with it. But I definitely think BB goes overboard, at least I hope it's more BB than SP.

Amnorix
08-04-2011, 10:11 AM
Um...how many SB's? A team that is a consistent contender for the last decade? I think Chiefs fans could live with it. If Pats fans are bitching about their team, it makes me hate them even more. No offense.

Pats haven't won a SB since 2004. That's 7 years, which is a long time when you figure that Brady has been getting BETTER, and we damn well know he won't paly forever. He just had his 34th birthday. The time is NOW, scream the fanbase.

WHY did we pass on Clay Matthews? Our pass rush sucks and we trade away from the pick? WTF? Why do we never draft an OLB. How can you run a 3-4 withou a decent OLB? How can you win in the playoffs without a decent pass rush? How can you go 14-2 and then lose your first playoff game at home to the fucking Jets?

It's endless, and I'm 1,000% sure that an equally large percentage of Chiefs fans would do the exact same thing in our shoes.

I tend to give BB all the benefit of doubt in the world, but sliding back in the draft is never fun, and trading picks into next year isn't exciting.

DTLB58
08-04-2011, 10:12 AM
Overall he's done a good job on paper this offseason.

I'm still puzzled over the NT's he's passed over in the last two drafts and the fact that he didn't draft or sign bigger named free agents for the OT positions.

Well if Powe and Richardson work out he will have done good there also.

DTLB58
08-04-2011, 10:17 AM
As well as Pioli has done. Clark has to be on the lookout for his replacement. It's the nature of the beast. Or you end up with Peterson, who stayed twice as long as he should have

I understand what you are saying. Someone in Clarks position should always be looking for young talent and watching them as they develop especially from within.

I wouldn't know why Pioli would want to leave at some point except for maybe to head back East?

DTLB58
08-04-2011, 10:20 AM
Pats haven't won a SB since 2004. That's 7 years, which is a long time when you figure that Brady has been getting BETTER, and we damn well know he won't paly forever. He just had his 34th birthday. The time is NOW, scream the fanbase.

WHY did we pass on Clay Matthews? Our pass rush sucks and we trade away from the pick? WTF? Why do we never draft an OLB. How can you run a 3-4 withou a decent OLB? How can you win in the playoffs without a decent pass rush? How can you go 14-2 and then lose your first playoff game at home to the ****ing Jets?

It's endless, and I'm 1,000% sure that an equally large percentage of Chiefs fans would do the exact same thing in our shoes.

I tend to give BB all the benefit of doubt in the world, but sliding back in the draft is never fun, and trading picks into next year isn't exciting.

The Pats loss to the Jets cause they got out coached that day period.

Two, at some point they need to start drafting talent instead of trading down "for next year." I feel your pain.

Then why did they release their leading sacker from last season?

Chiefnj2
08-04-2011, 10:23 AM
I wonder what Pioli's approval rating will be at the end of December after KC faces a brutal schedule and likely goes 2-5.

Dicky McElephant
08-04-2011, 10:27 AM
I wonder what Pioli's approval rating will be at the end of December after KC faces a brutal schedule and likely goes 2-5.

This.

I like the direction of the team.....but a lot of this team is still really young and our schedule is rough. Even with these signings.....I'm still looking at anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7.

ct
08-04-2011, 10:39 AM
I wonder what Pioli's approval rating will be at the end of December after KC faces a brutal schedule and likely goes 2-5.
This.

I like the direction of the team.....but a lot of this team is still really young and our schedule is rough. Even with these signings.....I'm still looking at anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7.

Agree w/ you two on that. We'd better start off like banshee, cause that stretch is killer, and I honestly don't think this team is ready for that. This team is still growing, with all the growing pains that come with it too. Last year was more an anomaly than a true indication of where we are from a progress standpoint. I enjoyed the hell out of it, but we're not there yet, and I really don't think we'll get 10 wins this season.

EDIT: Oh and I do think that late season bashing will fall on Cassel's shoulders, not Pioli. jmo

Chiefnj2
08-04-2011, 10:48 AM
To me the biggest issue that remains unresolved from last year is what happened to the offense the last 3 weeks.

Once it was announced that Weis was leaving the offense became anemic and the playcalling questionable. Did Weis mail it in? Did Haley take over the playcalling? I'm hoping Weis mailed it in, because if it was Todd's fault, KC could be in for a world of hurt his year.

Reerun_KC
08-04-2011, 10:59 AM
Agree w/ you two on that. We'd better start off like banshee, cause that stretch is killer, and I honestly don't think this team is ready for that. This team is still growing, with all the growing pains that come with it too. Last year was more an anomaly than a true indication of where we are from a progress standpoint. I enjoyed the hell out of it, but we're not there yet, and I really don't think we'll get 10 wins this season.

EDIT: Oh and I do think that late season bashing will fall on Cassel's shoulders, not Pioli. jmo

of course it will... It wouldnt be CP if it didnt...

And I am predicting 11-5 or better this year...

keg in kc
08-04-2011, 11:01 AM
And I am predicting 11-5 or better this year...Ballsy.

If they win that many games with the schedule they have, they're a legitimate threat for the championship.

Reerun_KC
08-04-2011, 11:18 AM
Ballsy.

If they win that many games with the schedule they have, they're a legitimate threat for the championship.

sure beats being on the CP debbie downer wagon all the fucking time...

If they dont make it? So what?

Cant they do it? Sure why not... Everyone wants to cry about the schedule, but lots of things change in the NFL year after year...

Not one person here knows the seasons outcome.... Sure its easy and convenient to play the "they suck" and "I told you so" at the end, but I think they have a chance to be a pretty solid ball club this year.

For sure a team on the rise, excited about this season.

I was to see where we stack up with the big boys...

Okie_Apparition
08-04-2011, 11:31 AM
I understand what you are saying. Someone in Clarks position should always be looking for young talent and watching them as they develop especially from within.

I wouldn't know why Pioli would want to leave at some point except for maybe to head back East?

Like I said Carl stayed on twice as long as he should have. Ten years would have been enough. AJ Smith had done a good job in San Diego. It's time for him to move on now. 2019 is the time I'm suggesting Pioli's replacement should be close at hand. Clark needs to keep one eye open to the future GM

kysirsoze
08-04-2011, 11:34 AM
Like I said Carl stayed on twice as long as he should have. Ten years would have been enough. AJ Smith had done a good job in San Diego. It's time for him to move on now. 2019 is the time I'm suggesting Pioli's replacement should be close at hand. Clark needs to keep one eye open to the future GM

Except Carl didn't get it done. If Pioli wins Superbowls and keeps us competitive, then I hope he's here for 50 years.

Count Alex's Losses
08-04-2011, 11:51 AM
Except Carl didn't get it done. If Pioli wins Superbowls and keeps us competitive, then I hope he's here for 50 years.

Most GMs are around less than 10 years.

Coogs
08-04-2011, 11:53 AM
sure beats being on the CP debbie downer wagon all the fucking time...

If they dont make it? So what?

Cant they do it? Sure why not... Everyone wants to cry about the schedule, but lots of things change in the NFL year after year...

Not one person here knows the seasons outcome.... Sure its easy and convenient to play the "they suck" and "I told you so" at the end, but I think they have a chance to be a pretty solid ball club this year.

For sure a team on the rise, excited about this season.

I was to see where we stack up with the big boys...

Nice take! I'm anxious to see how this season plays out as well! I really think we can surprise again this season.