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petegz28
08-05-2011, 08:10 AM
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Friday that the media has the responsibility to not give equal time or credence to the Tea Party's views:



SEN. JOHN KERRY: "And I have to tell you, I say this to you politely. The media in America has a bigger responsibility than it's exercising today. The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual."

"It doesn't deserve the same credit as a legitimate idea about what you do. And the problem is everything is put into this tit-for-tat equal battle and America is losing any sense of what's real, of who's accountable, of who is not accountable, of who's real, who isn't, who's serious, who isn't?"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/05/john_kerry_media_has_responsibility_to_not_give_equal_time_to_tea_party.html

petegz28
08-05-2011, 08:11 AM
In other words, he doesn't like what they have to say so he wants to see the media shut them up. Way to represent Free Speech, you dickless, asshole

petegz28
08-05-2011, 08:12 AM
I guess you could also read it as he is mad because they Tea Party wants to fuck him his spending spree that he and his party have been on.

Donger
08-05-2011, 08:15 AM
What are the Tea Party folks saying that isn't factual, Johnny?

BucEyedPea
08-05-2011, 08:15 AM
Wow! Just Wow! I read that Paul has gotten word that the Elite/Corporatocracy/FedBankocracy/NWO crowd are very concerned about a "global political awakening" because most average people don't like the direction their countries are moving in. Polls here in America show the same.

The Tea Party, represents an alternative to the bogus two-party system that acts as one at the leadership level.

Expect attempts to continue marginalization. Notice who they are—because they are bought.

Ya' hear Mitt Romney supporters?

Chiefshrink
08-05-2011, 08:30 AM
Like I said, they must "stifle conservatism" to the point of being "unconstitutional" in breaking the actual law in order to preserve their criminal activity.

Hang John Kerry from the WH flag pole, I say !!!!!!

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:38 AM
I do think fringe opinions get way more attention than the mind share they posses in the system. However it isn't John or the media's job to shut them up or skew anything. Weird poorly thought out comment.

Donger
08-05-2011, 08:40 AM
I do think fringe opinions get way more attention than the mind share they posses in the system. However it isn't John or the media's job to shut them up or skew anything. Weird poorly thought out comment.

It's rather disconcerting when "don't spend more than you take in" has become fringe.

mlyonsd
08-05-2011, 08:41 AM
The Tea Party scares the hell out of democrats. Especially with the economy tanking.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:43 AM
It's rather disconcerting when "don't spend more than you take in" has become fringe.

The idea of the Tea Party is a lot more noble than their execution.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:44 AM
The Tea Party scares the hell out of democrats. Especially with the economy tanking.

Do they? They are on a warpath to kill RINO's.

They are prob going to hand Democrats the White House in '12.

mlyonsd
08-05-2011, 08:47 AM
Do they? They are on a warpath to kill RINO's.

They are prob going to hand Democrats the White House in '12.Yeah tell that to Kerry.

BucEyedPea
08-05-2011, 08:48 AM
Yeah tell that to Kerry.

If that were true Kerry wouldn't want them to be shut up. lolz!

Donger
08-05-2011, 08:48 AM
The idea of the Tea Party is a lot more noble than their execution.

Meh. They are passionate and determined.

Can you give some examples of their type of execution which you find icky?

mlyonsd
08-05-2011, 08:49 AM
Meh. They are passionate and determined.

Can you give some examples of their type of execution which you find icky?They yell a lot.

Donger
08-05-2011, 08:49 AM
Do they? They are on a warpath to kill RINO's.

They are prob going to hand Democrats the White House in '12.

LMAO

They'll end up voting for the GOP candidate. And, independents are a little sour on Obama in case you hadn't heard.

Chiefshrink
08-05-2011, 08:50 AM
Do they? They are on a warpath to kill RINO's.

They are prob going to hand Democrats the White House in '12.

As they should do.


Wanna bet?

ChiTown
08-05-2011, 08:51 AM
It's rather disconcerting when "don't spend more than you take in" has become fringe.

:bravo:

I love the word "fringe". The only lunatics who are fringe are the douchebag politicians that have NO concept of how the real-world works.

Yes, the only people that don't have to be accountable in this world, are criminals (before they get caught), children (before they get caught), and politicians (even after their caught).

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:51 AM
As they should do.


Wanna bet?

I have seen your political predictions before.

Chiefshrink
08-05-2011, 08:51 AM
They yell a lot.

And ACLU, SEIU, NEA and ACORN "DON'T??????ROFL

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:52 AM
LMAO

They'll end up voting for the GOP candidate. And, independents are a little sour on Obama in case you hadn't heard.

They are itching to cut off their nose to spite their face. These people do not want to vote for Mitt Romney.

Chiefshrink
08-05-2011, 08:53 AM
I have seen your political predictions before.

C'mon Casino Cash where your mouth is!!!!!:shrug:

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:53 AM
Meh. They are passionate and determined.

Can you give some examples of their type of execution which you find icky?

I don't think their leaders are smart or capable. I also think they cling to social issues that are ridiculous.

I am not a Tea Party hater. I respect the idea. But their actions are bufoonish.

BucEyedPea
08-05-2011, 08:53 AM
LMAO

They'll end up voting for the GOP candidate. And, independents are a little sour on Obama in case you hadn't heard.

Yet, they are not strongly pro-Republican either. The Tea Party is a sympton of disgust with the current choices. Lets face it, the election of Obama was really a referendum on the Bush regime. That Rs and Ds get voted in and then voted out shows this disgust.

But Obama is Bush 2.0: 100 Ways Barack Obama
Is Just Like George W. Bush (http://www.humblelibertarian.com/2011/08/bush-20-100-ways-barack-obama-is-just.html)

Yet, some miss Bush? wtf?


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_L5EFG-vZEHo/TB2YUIpb5iI/AAAAAAAAC7Q/yAqC5F3E5AM/s400/Obama+Bush.png

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:54 AM
C'mon Casino Cash where your mouth is!!!!!:shrug:

lol.

I don't care about casino cash.

Chiefshrink
08-05-2011, 08:55 AM
The idea of the Tea Party is a lot more noble than their execution.

Examples of lack of noble execution please????

Chiefshrink
08-05-2011, 08:55 AM
lol.

I don't care about casino cash.


I don't either but make the bet you "socialist pussy"!!

BucEyedPea
08-05-2011, 08:55 AM
:bravo:

I love the word "fringe". The only lunatics who are fringe are the douchebag politicians that have NO concept of how the real-world works.

Yes, the only people that don't have to be accountable in this world, are criminals (before they get caught), children (before they get caught), and politicians (even after their caught).

Well, patteeu keeps calling anyone who differs with the Republican politicians as "fringe."
"Fringe" seems to be what has been getting elected the past ten years or so.

What was once considered "fringe" is now the status quo: open-ended warfare, drone attacks on civilians, torture chambers, Spenditol policies, erosion of the dollar, loss of civil liberties, open borders without calling it that, living in a garrison state, unitary executive notions, signing statements, rule by decree via EOs, Congress transferring some of it's powers to the Executive branch, and other Constitutional erosions defended by the left and the right, increasing socialism and fascism for a new mixed economy.

Donger
08-05-2011, 08:56 AM
They are itching to cut off their nose to spite their face. These people do not want to vote for Mitt Romney.

I understand they don't want to. That doesn't mean they won't.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 08:59 AM
I understand they don't want to. That doesn't mean they won't.

Disagree.

They will absolutely burn down the house with the thought that another 4 years of Obama will shame the Republican party into bending to their will.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:00 AM
I don't either but make the bet you "socialist pussy"!!

lol.

I really enjoyed the time you took in the thread talking about how socialist international soccer was an a fan of the NFL.

You really knocked that one out of the park.

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 09:09 AM
Disagree.

They will absolutely burn down the house with the thought that another 4 years of Obama will shame the Republican party into bending to their will.

The 2010 elections really bore that out what with the Dems picking up all those seats. The debt debate just reinforced the notion that the teapartiers hand wins to the Dems.

Have you been watching anything that has gone on in the last year?

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:13 AM
The 2010 elections really bore that out what with the Dems picking up all those seats. The debt debate just reinforced the notion that the teapartiers hand wins to the Dems.

Have you been watching anything that has gone on in the last year?

They had tea party candidates to support. They see no difference between Romney and a democrat. Why should they?

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:15 AM
Maybe some more competent conservative folks will come along. That would be pretty cool. People who in addition to being more fiscally sounds are not retarded enough to think that guns and abortions are the biggest issues we face.

Brock
08-05-2011, 09:15 AM
Disagree.

They will absolutely burn down the house with the thought that another 4 years of Obama will shame the Republican party into bending to their will.

That's a pretty nutty scenario. Getting Obama out will be job one for these people, and given the way the economy is heading, it's pretty likely to happen.

Donger
08-05-2011, 09:15 AM
They had tea party candidates to support. They see no difference between Romney and a democrat. Why should they?

You don't think that Perry is going to enter?

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:15 AM
That's a pretty nutty scenario. Getting Obama out will be job one for these people, and given the way the economy is heading, it's pretty likely to happen.

Why? Have you seen their rhetoric? The GOP is fractured and beholden to completely different masters.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:16 AM
You don't think that Perry is going to enter?

I don't think he is going to be a big factor.

Brock
08-05-2011, 09:18 AM
Why? Have you seen their rhetoric? The GOP is fractured and beholden to completely different masters.

They have two choices. Obama or not Obama. It's really pretty simple.

Donger
08-05-2011, 09:18 AM
I don't think he is going to be a big factor.

He hasn't even entered, and yet is polling close to Romney.

Donger
08-05-2011, 09:19 AM
Why? Have you seen their rhetoric? The GOP is fractured and beholden to completely different masters.

No, they aren't. No more so than the ultra-left of the DNC fractures the DNC.

blaise
08-05-2011, 09:19 AM
Maybe some more competent conservative folks will come along. That would be pretty cool. People who in addition to being more fiscally sounds are not retarded enough to think that guns and abortions are the biggest issues we face.

They sound much different than those on the left who think gay marriage and abortion are the biggest issues we face.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:20 AM
No, they aren't. No more so than the ultra-left of the DNC fractures the DNC.

lol.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:21 AM
They have two choices. Obama or not Obama. It's really pretty simple.

Supporting Romney is = to supporting Obama. They want to make it clear to the GOP that propping up guys like Romney isn't ok.

trndobrd
08-05-2011, 09:21 AM
Disagree.

They will absolutely burn down the house with the thought that another 4 years of Obama will shame the Republican party into bending to their will.


There is absolutely no question that Tea Party members are going to vote for the Republican nominee, in the same way SEIU and MoveOn.org types will vote for Obama despite statements to the contrary. The more important question isn't who they will vote for, it is how much time, effort and money they will put behind their candidate.

blaise
08-05-2011, 09:21 AM
The idea of the Tea Party is a lot more noble than their execution.

So, they're like the other two parties then.

Donger
08-05-2011, 09:22 AM
lol.

I understand you want that to be true, but that doesn't make it so, Zach.

BucEyedPea
08-05-2011, 09:22 AM
You don't think that Perry is going to enter?

Another Bushie? God help us!

Brock
08-05-2011, 09:23 AM
Supporting Romney is = to supporting Obama. They want to make it clear to the GOP that propping up guys like Romney isn't ok.

Seems very unlikely to me.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 09:23 AM
I understand you want that to be true, but that doesn't make it so, Zach.

Time will tell. The '12 election will come around and we will have to use the search function to find discussions where Perry was relevant.

ChiTown
08-05-2011, 09:46 AM
So, they're like the other two parties then.

:LOL:

Baby Lee
08-05-2011, 10:47 AM
Why? Have you seen their rhetoric? The GOP is fractured and beholden to completely different masters.

No, they aren't. No more so than the ultra-left of the DNC fractures the DNC.

Different dynamic for the DNC. Dems are the party of 'anything that isn't a Republican.'

King_Chief_Fan
08-05-2011, 11:00 AM
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Friday that the media has the responsibility to not give equal time or credence to the Tea Party's views:



SEN. JOHN KERRY: "And I have to tell you, I say this to you politely. The media in America has a bigger responsibility than it's exercising today. The media has got to begin to not give equal time or equal balance to an absolutely absurd notion just because somebody asserts it or simply because somebody says something which everybody knows is not factual."

"It doesn't deserve the same credit as a legitimate idea about what you do. And the problem is everything is put into this tit-for-tat equal battle and America is losing any sense of what's real, of who's accountable, of who is not accountable, of who's real, who isn't, who's serious, who isn't?"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/05/john_kerry_media_has_responsibility_to_not_give_equal_time_to_tea_party.html

I like the way Kerry got clowned in this video with Marc Rubio.
15 minutes long but Rubio makes some excellent points.
http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2011/07/30/showdown-rubio-torches-kerry-senate-floor (http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2011/07/30/showdown-rubio-torches-kerry-senate-floor)

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 11:00 AM
I understand you want that to be true, but that doesn't make it so, Zach.

Exactly. Its like the Republicans who thought the PUMAs weren't going to support Obama. In cased you haven't noticed, the Dems are pretty damned fractured themselves.

King_Chief_Fan
08-05-2011, 11:03 AM
They have two choices. Obama or not Obama. It's really pretty simple.

agree....people will vote for anyone not named Obama.

|Zach|
08-05-2011, 11:05 AM
agree....people will vote for anyone not named Obama.

That is really easy to say and thank when there isn't a name on the other side with their own ups and downs.

I don't believe for a second that "anyone" can beat him.

Brock
08-05-2011, 11:07 AM
That is really easy to say and thank when there isn't a name on the other side with their own ups and downs.

I don't believe for a second that "anyone" can beat him.

This is a fact: If the economy isn't better, he's out of there.

fan4ever
08-05-2011, 11:08 AM
But...but...but, if the media ignores the tea party, how on earth can they continue to vilify them? Oh, the quandary!

Baby Lee
08-05-2011, 11:12 AM
I like the way Kerry got clowned in this video with Marc Rubio.
15 minutes long but Rubio makes some excellent points.
http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2011/07/30/showdown-rubio-torches-kerry-senate-floor (http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2011/07/30/showdown-rubio-torches-kerry-senate-floor)

"Compromise that is not a solution is a waste of time."

Strong stuff.

Taco John
08-05-2011, 11:25 AM
Seems very unlikely to me.

It shouldn't. The Tea Party has proven, if nothing, that they will go to the wire and accept a setback if they need to. Whether it's nominating Christine Odonnell instead of letting Mike Castle take the walkover win, or letting the default "deadline" come and go, the Tea Party has taken the hard line each time.

Mitt Romney doesn't have a chance in hell of getting Tea Party support. This is why the establishment is pivoting to Perry. He probably would do well with much of the tea party - the facade part of it... You know - the Palinites and such. The Paulites will go to the wire voting for Paul.

SNR
08-05-2011, 11:38 AM
Maybe some more competent conservative folks will come along. That would be pretty cool. People who in addition to being more fiscally sounds are not retarded enough to think that guns and abortions are the biggest issues we face.I mean, if you're referring to Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle, I think that's a gross misrepresentation of who actually runs the Tea Party.

All kinds of people are in that caucus, including religious and social conservatives. I would say their views are far from the norm, though. But that's how the Tea Party gets characterized anyway-- its opponents want all the dirt and flammable shit in one nice little strawman they can light on fire.

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 11:46 AM
That is really easy to say and thank when there isn't a name on the other side with their own ups and downs.

I don't believe for a second that "anyone" can beat him.

Your last sentence is Frankiesque. You must be a genius as well. Not just "anyone" is going to run against him. The person who runs against him will be the one who has already drawn the most support from the Republicans.

go bowe
08-05-2011, 11:59 AM
The Tea Party scares the hell out of democrats. Especially with the economy tanking.

i dunno...

seems like republicans might be more concerned about the tea party...

not only are they unwilling to compromise no matter the cost, and thereby undermine the party establishment, they aim to unseat party candidates in the republican primaries...

it seems to me that the republicans have more of a problem with the tea party than democrats do...

BucEyedPea
08-05-2011, 12:06 PM
Seems to me the most vocal in complaining about the Tea Party are the left: democrats, progressives and socialists.
As for Republicans, the Tea Party scares the Establishment Republicans aka leadership—not the grassroots. That's because they're really Democrats or left themselves as in corporatists.

Extra Point
08-05-2011, 12:12 PM
The enemy of my enemy will be my enemy. go bowe has it right, as does Taco John.

Ron Paul indicated that if he doesn't win the R nomination, he's going to run as an independent.

Obama is going to get re-elected, in the same fashion that Clinton won his first. Too many factions spreading the mainstream vote.

I don't understand how Kerry should be complaining. He just needs to listen to the people he represents, and go back to representing them. Period.

BucEyedPea
08-05-2011, 12:13 PM
Ron Paul indicated that if he doesn't win the R nomination, he's going to run as an independent.

He did? When? Where?

If he does and he divides the vote with an Obama win, the Republicans who voted for Romney/Perry or Palin deserve it. It's worth a good laugh since they keep putting in the same types all over again and never learn.

SNR
08-05-2011, 12:14 PM
He did? When? Where?I have a feeling that's a load of poppycock

mlyonsd
08-05-2011, 12:17 PM
i dunno...

seems like republicans might be more concerned about the tea party...

not only are they unwilling to compromise no matter the cost, and thereby undermine the party establishment, they aim to unseat party candidates in the republican primaries...

it seems to me that the republicans have more of a problem with the tea party than democrats do...

As the economy tanks you watch.

Predarat
08-05-2011, 12:29 PM
Im glad that shithead Kerry reminded me why i was glad when he lost to that idiot dubya.

fan4ever
08-05-2011, 12:31 PM
The enemy of my enemy will be my enemy. go bowe has it right, as does Taco John.

Ron Paul indicated that if he doesn't win the R nomination, he's going to run as an independent.

Obama is going to get re-elected, in the same fashion that Clinton won his first. Too many factions spreading the mainstream vote.

I don't understand how Kerry should be complaining. He just needs to listen to the people he represents, and go back to representing them. Period.

If Ron Paul doesn't come off too batshit crazy, I think you'll have moderate Republicans voting for him vs. the establishment Republicans...and I think conservatives will jump ship to whichever candidate in the polls has the best chance of beating Obama...EVERY conservative knows we can't afford another 4 years of Obama.

Chief Faithful
08-05-2011, 12:38 PM
The Tea Party is filled with citizens who ran for office to fix the spending and government over-reach. They are shaking up the entrenched leadership and career political elites in both parties. That is the only reason Sen. Kerry is trying to silence their voices in the media.

Guru
08-05-2011, 12:43 PM
I like the way Kerry got clowned in this video with Marc Rubio.
15 minutes long but Rubio makes some excellent points.
http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2011/07/30/showdown-rubio-torches-kerry-senate-floor (http://nation.foxnews.com/marco-rubio/2011/07/30/showdown-rubio-torches-kerry-senate-floor)

That was a impressive speech. I hope he sticks to that his entire career.

CrazyPhuD
08-05-2011, 01:06 PM
The Tea Party, represents an alternative to the bogus two-party system that acts as one at the leadership level.


You do realize that the way our political system is set up there will never be an effective third party right? This isn't a maybe never, but a forever never.

The reason for this is the winner take all mentality of our politics, it precludes any chance for parties greater than two. Any time a 'third' party becomes significant in it's vote gathering potential it will get absorbed into one of the two existing parties. That is what has happened to the 'tea party'. It is part of the republican party and is unlikely to change that because to do so would weaken or eliminate it's influence(in addition to weakening the republican party so that both would lose in elections handing most of the government to the democrats, hence why third parties cannot exist).

Brock
08-05-2011, 01:22 PM
You do realize that the way our political system is set up there will never be an effective third party right? This isn't a maybe never, but a forever never.

The reason for this is the winner take all mentality of our politics, it precludes any chance for parties greater than two. Any time a 'third' party becomes significant in it's vote gathering potential it will get absorbed into one of the two existing parties. That is what has happened to the 'tea party'. It is part of the republican party and is unlikely to change that because to do so would weaken or eliminate it's influence(in addition to weakening the republican party so that both would lose in elections handing most of the government to the democrats, hence why third parties cannot exist).

Washington changes you. You don't change Washington. There's a lot of people having trouble grasping this.

Taco John
08-05-2011, 02:10 PM
Ron Paul indicated that if he doesn't win the R nomination, he's going to run as an independent.




I haven't seen Ron Paul announce this, but I do believe that he will take this one down to the wire. If he's got support in the teens but doesn't win the nomination, I believe he'll press to November if for no other reason but for the opportunity to educate.

petegz28
08-05-2011, 02:15 PM
If Kerry didn't see the Tea Party as a threat he wouldn't be begging the media to shut them up. It's that fucking simple.

blaise
08-05-2011, 02:20 PM
I read comments from Ralph Nader today saying he's almost 100% sure some Democrat will challenge Obama for the nomination. I think he was even saying he's actively going to be recruiting someone.

Take that for what it's worth, though.

Bewbies
08-05-2011, 02:31 PM
i dunno...

seems like republicans might be more concerned about the tea party...

not only are they unwilling to compromise no matter the cost, and thereby undermine the party establishment, they aim to unseat party candidates in the republican primaries...

it seems to me that the republicans have more of a problem with the tea party than democrats do...

Here's a guy that actually gets it. :thumb:

Reaper16
08-05-2011, 02:35 PM
At this point, I pretty much want to see Ron Paul win the Presidency. Just to see what in the world happens. It sounds way more fun than years 13-16 of the W. administration.

HonestChieffan
08-05-2011, 02:39 PM
Why is John Kerry newsworthy on any topic

DanT
08-05-2011, 02:43 PM
Today is the 7th anniversary of the day that I came to a critical realization about John Kerry. It was the day after my father died unexpectedly and I had flown to KC for his funeral. Then Senator Kerry happened to be scheduled to give a campaign speech as Union Station that night, so the family thought that a good way to kill some time the evening before dad's memorial service would be to go to the event and watch from the nice lawn in front of Liberty Memorial and see what Senator Kerry had to say. That guy was supposed to be there at 8:30 or so. He shows up at least an hour late, explaining that he was at some event with fat cats that were feeding him Hereford House steaks, as if the thousands of plain folks waiting for him to show up at Union Station were supposed to be pleased that their time was wasted because of that.

Like most Presidential candidates, he has it in his head that he somehow deserves to be in charge, as if he's better than us. He got beat in an election by a guy who had started a war with zero moral or legal authority. That's about the sorriest thing you can say about an American political figure, in my opinion, that she was defeated by a war criminal. Kerry picked John Edwards as his running mate. I'm exactly like Ross Perot when it comes to my opinion of men who cheat on their wives. That Kerry picked Edwards when the two of them are members of the same exclusive club and ought to know one another quite well, tells you a lot about what a clown he was. The fact that we had to pick between a war criminal like President Bush--whose ability to judge people was cartoonishly exemplified by his revelation that Vladimir Putin was his soul-mate--and John Kerry, the embodiment of putz, in the 2004 election ought to tell anybody that this country needs at least a couple of more national political parties, cuz the ones we have are full of f*ck-ups and assclowns.

Taco John
08-05-2011, 02:49 PM
Today is the 7th anniversary of the day that I came to a critical realization about John Kerry. It was the day after my father died unexpectedly and I had flown to KC for his funeral. Then Senator Kerry happened to be scheduled to give a campaign speech as Union Station that night, so the family thought that a good way to kill some time the evening before dad's memorial service would be to go to the event and watch from the nice lawn in front of Liberty Memorial and see what Senator Kerry had to say. That guy was supposed to be there at 8:30 or so. He shows up at least an hour late, explaining that he was at some event with fat cats that were feeding him Hereford House steaks, as if the thousands of plain folks waiting for him to show up at Union Station were supposed to be pleased that their time was wasted because of that.

Like most Presidential candidates, he has it in his head that he somehow deserves to be in charge, as if he's better than us. He got beat in an election by a guy who had started a war with zero moral or legal authority. That's about the sorriest thing you can say about an American political figure, in my opinion, that she was defeated by a war criminal. Kerry picked John Edwards as his running mate. I'm exactly like Ross Perot when it comes to my opinion of men who cheat on their wives. That Kerry picked Edwards when the two of them are members of the same exclusive club and ought to know one another quite well, tells you a lot about what a clown he was. The fact that we had to pick between a war criminal like President Bush--whose ability to judge people was cartoonishly exemplified by his revelation that Vladimir Putin was his soul-mate--and John Kerry, the embodiment of putz, in the 2004 election ought to tell anybody that this country needs at least a couple of more national political parties, cuz the ones we have are full of f*ck-ups and assclowns.

I see you're pulling your punches today, Dan.

ROYC75
08-05-2011, 02:53 PM
Seems to me the most vocal in complaining about the Tea Party are the left: democrats, progressives and socialists.
As for Republicans, the Tea Party scares the Establishment Republicans aka leadership—not the grassroots. That's because they're really Democrats or left themselves as in corporatists.

This, it's not the right that is complaining about the Tea party. It's the left and the left wing run media. One only has to see the news, it's everywhere the left is calling them names, calling them terrorist when in fact, all they stood for was smaller government.

It's the left that fears Tea Party! The left fear that the R's will take over, take the country back from the Liberal spending ways of the Dem's.

DanT
08-05-2011, 02:54 PM
I see you're pulling your punches today, Dan.

:LOL:

Yeah, those remarks are a bit intemperate, but if there's one thing I can't stand it's for a politician to act like people don't have a right to air their opinions.

ROYC75
08-05-2011, 02:59 PM
I do agree if a 3rd candidate runs under an I, it's another 4 years of Obama. That would spell doom for Americans.

patteeu
08-05-2011, 03:07 PM
Well, patteeu keeps calling anyone who differs with the Republican politicians as "fringe."
"Fringe" seems to be what has been getting elected the past ten years or so.

What was once considered "fringe" is now the status quo: open-ended warfare, drone attacks on civilians, torture chambers, Spenditol policies, erosion of the dollar, loss of civil liberties, open borders without calling it that, living in a garrison state, unitary executive notions, signing statements, rule by decree via EOs, Congress transferring some of it's powers to the Executive branch, and other Constitutional erosions defended by the left and the right, increasing socialism and fascism for a new mixed economy.

No. I call people with wild, impractical ideas who think those ideas are actually practical, fringe. Tea partiers aren't fringe, but there are fringe elements among us. There's plenty of room to differ with Republican politicians. Even more room to differ with democrats.

patteeu
08-05-2011, 03:09 PM
Time will tell. The '12 election will come around and we will have to use the search function to find discussions where Perry was relevant.

Are you under the impression that BucEyedPea is typical of the tea party faction of conservatives?

patteeu
08-05-2011, 03:09 PM
You do realize that the way our political system is set up there will never be an effective third party right? This isn't a maybe never, but a forever never.

The reason for this is the winner take all mentality of our politics, it precludes any chance for parties greater than two. Any time a 'third' party becomes significant in it's vote gathering potential it will get absorbed into one of the two existing parties. That is what has happened to the 'tea party'. It is part of the republican party and is unlikely to change that because to do so would weaken or eliminate it's influence(in addition to weakening the republican party so that both would lose in elections handing most of the government to the democrats, hence why third parties cannot exist).

Right on.

Guru
08-05-2011, 03:16 PM
Personally I am sick of third parties fucking up elections. If the polls don't show you being able to take at least 30% of the vote you shouldn't run.

patteeu
08-05-2011, 03:16 PM
Ron Paul indicated that if he doesn't win the R nomination, he's going to run as an independent.

I don't believe this. Link?

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 03:18 PM
You do realize that the way our political system is set up there will never be an effective third party right? This isn't a maybe never, but a forever never.

The reason for this is the winner take all mentality of our politics, it precludes any chance for parties greater than two. Any time a 'third' party becomes significant in it's vote gathering potential it will get absorbed into one of the two existing parties. That is what has happened to the 'tea party'. It is part of the republican party and is unlikely to change that because to do so would weaken or eliminate it's influence(in addition to weakening the republican party so that both would lose in elections handing most of the government to the democrats, hence why third parties cannot exist).

The natural order of things in a two-party system is for the two candidates to be as close as possible to one another. It's like the Econ 101 exercise involving 2 lemonade stands on a beach.

If there is a mile long beach, and there are two competing lemonade stands that can set up wherever they want, both stands will eventually wind up right next to each other in the exact middle of the beach as long as the people are evenly distributed on both sides.

The only way the lemonade stands move from the center of the beach is if the people start moving to one side or the other.

HonestChieffan
08-05-2011, 03:19 PM
Are you under the impression that BucEyedPea is typical of the tea party faction of conservatives?


god save us

Chocolate Hog
08-05-2011, 03:23 PM
Disagree.

They will absolutely burn down the house with the thought that another 4 years of Obama will shame the Republican party into bending to their will.

Whats wrong with this?

Chocolate Hog
08-05-2011, 03:34 PM
Democrats & Republicans: Brought us 2 failed wars and a financial meltdown we haven't seen since The Great Depression.

The Tea Party: Made the dems and repubs cave. Got over a trillion in cuts despite only being in power for 6 months.

I'll stick with the Tea Party.

Baby Lee
08-05-2011, 03:48 PM
Personally I am sick of third parties fucking up elections. If the polls don't show you being able to take at least 30% of the vote you shouldn't run.

Are you ready to hop on the Roseanne Barr Express?

HonestChieffan
08-05-2011, 03:50 PM
Note to John Kerry:

http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/media/2004/02/buyavowel.jpg

mlyonsd
08-05-2011, 04:41 PM
Note to John Kerry:

http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/media/2004/02/buyavowel.jpgI need that shirt. Where did you get it go bowe?

HonestChieffan
08-05-2011, 04:45 PM
You can buy them on Bourbon street in NO

http://www.foulmouthshirts.com/cool-t-shirts/GO%20FUCK%20YOURSELF%20wanna%20buy%20a%20vowell%20T-shirt.htm

http://store.northshoreshirts.com/woyoulitobuy.html

healthpellets
08-05-2011, 05:57 PM
People who in addition to being more fiscally sounds are not retarded enough to think that guns and abortions are the biggest issues we face.

We're called libertarians.

Taco John
08-05-2011, 06:02 PM
It burns me up that John Kerry thinks that they've won the debate in this country, and any time given to us is their time that is being taken away from them.

John, the debate in this country is shifting - and guess what - you are losing. Your wars, your stimulus, and your central banks are failing. Peace, personal responsibility, and sound money are on the rise, buddy. Get used to it.

Baby Lee
08-05-2011, 06:50 PM
It burns me up that John Kerry thinks that they've won the debate in this country, and any time given to us is their time that is being taken away from them.

John, the debate in this country is shifting - and guess what - you are losing. Your wars, your stimulus, and your central banks are failing. Peace, personal responsibility, and sound money are on the rise, buddy. Get used to it.

Might I suggest, . . . a conversation with your neighbor to set you straight.

DanT
08-05-2011, 08:02 PM
For what it's worth, I was off by a day in my earlier post. Senator Kerry's appearance in Kansas City was on August 6, 2004, so I've only known for 6 years and 364 days that he's a putz, not 7 years.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1186960/posts

ROYC75
08-05-2011, 08:10 PM
Kerry = Liberal

Liberal = Damage Control

Damage Control = Lies

Lies = Censorship

Reaper16
08-05-2011, 08:32 PM
For what it's worth, I was off by a day in my earlier post. Senator Kerry's appearance in Kansas City was on August 6, 2004, so I've only known for 6 years and 364 days that he's a putz, not 7 years.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1186960/posts
Accountability in our time. :)

Kerry = Liberal

Liberal = Damage Control

Damage Control = Lies

Lies = Censorship
Censorship leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to... Suffering.

patteeu
08-05-2011, 09:13 PM
Democrats & Republicans: Brought us 2 failed wars and a financial meltdown we haven't seen since The Great Depression.

The Tea Party: Made the dems and repubs cave. Got over a trillion in cuts despite only being in power for 6 months.

I'll stick with the Tea Party.

2 failed wars? Let's see... Both Saddam and Osama are dead. Al Qaeda is in disarray worldwide. Iraq has a constitutional government selected by it's people that is built on institutions inspired by western liberalism (not the bad kind of liberalism, but the good kind). And dictators throughout the region are now being challenged by their own people. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

BTW, much of the tea party approves of those wars.

HonestChieffan
08-05-2011, 09:19 PM
Kerry = Liberal

Liberal = Damage Control

Damage Control = Lies

Lies = Censorship

Posts like this=Orange and Banyon

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-05-2011, 11:57 PM
Baggers tend to yell alot, but rarely have anything intelligent to say. They want all the benefits of government , but don't want to pay the taxes to fund the benefits. Baggers want small government, until you talk about cutting their social security and medicare....no matter how stupid they are, Kerry looks even more of a buffoon for trying to shut up the mindless robots in the Tea Bagger movement , infringing on their right to free speech.

Mizzou_8541
08-06-2011, 12:02 AM
Baggers tend to yell alot, but rarely have anything intelligent to say. They want all the benefits of government , but don't want to pay the taxes to fund the benefits. Baggers want small government, until you talk about cutting their social security and medicare....no matter how stupid they are, Kerry looks even more of a buffoon for trying to shut up the mindless robots in the Tea Bagger movement , infringing on their right to free speech.

What are the benefits of government that tea partiers want? Curious.

Taco John
08-06-2011, 12:15 AM
Baggers tend to yell alot, but rarely have anything intelligent to say. They want all the benefits of government , but don't want to pay the taxes to fund the benefits. Baggers want small government, until you talk about cutting their social security and medicare....no matter how stupid they are, Kerry looks even more of a buffoon for trying to shut up the mindless robots in the Tea Bagger movement , infringing on their right to free speech.


If I could opt out of social security tomorrow, I would.

Guru
08-06-2011, 12:26 AM
If I could opt out of social security tomorrow, I would.

What he said.

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 12:42 AM
Despite my hatred for the Tea folks, I do believe they have the right to have their voices heard , with out big brother trying to shut them up. What Kerry is saying goes against the basic principles or our government. People have the right to free speech, and to protest against their government...just because Kerry doesn't agree with what their saying doesn't give him the right to step in and try to persuade the media to not give them the right to have their voices heard.

petegz28
08-06-2011, 06:44 AM
Baggers tend to yell alot, but rarely have anything intelligent to say. They want all the benefits of government , but don't want to pay the taxes to fund the benefits. Baggers want small government, until you talk about cutting their social security and medicare....no matter how stupid they are, Kerry looks even more of a buffoon for trying to shut up the mindless robots in the Tea Bagger movement , infringing on their right to free speech.

And Liberals want all the benefits of the government too, they just want someone else to pay for it.

Mizzou_8541
08-06-2011, 06:46 AM
Despite my hatred for the Tea folks, I do believe they have the right to have their voices heard , with out big brother trying to shut them up. What Kerry is saying goes against the basic principles or our government. People have the right to free speech, and to protest against their government...just because Kerry doesn't agree with what their saying doesn't give him the right to step in and try to persuade the media to not give them the right to have their voices heard.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, Thatguy, but I seriously don't understand why people HATE the tea party. I get not agreeing with them, but hate? I don't agree with Orange, but I certainly don't hate him. It just seems like liberals and much of the media has legitimate hate for them. It doesn't make sense to me.

petegz28
08-06-2011, 06:55 AM
This isn't necessarily directed at you, Thatguy, but I seriously don't understand why people HATE the tea party. I get not agreeing with them, but hate? I don't agree with Orange, but I certainly don't hate him. It just seems like liberals and much of the media has legitimate hate for them. It doesn't make sense to me.

It's because they propose real change and they are a threat. The whole effort to make them out to be racists is bunk as well. There are plenty of black Tea Partiers and at some of the higher levels of the Tea Party. Change to the establishment is being threatened and the election showed that. The debt ceiling argument showed that the Tea Party is willing and able to flex their muscles as well.

Mizzou_8541
08-06-2011, 06:59 AM
It's because they propose real change and they are a threat. The whole effort to make them out to be racists is bunk as well. There are plenty of black Tea Partiers and at some of the higher levels of the Tea Party. Change to the establishment is being threatened and the election showed that. The debt ceiling argument showed that the Tea Party is willing and able to flex their muscles as well.

So what you are saying then is they are viewed as the threat to the liberal political power structure. Ok, I do get that.

petegz28
08-06-2011, 07:13 AM
So what you are saying then is they are viewed as the threat to the liberal political power structure. Ok, I do get that.

Not just the Liberal but the mainstream "conservative" as well.

petegz28
08-06-2011, 07:19 AM
Tea Party=bunch of fring, white, racist, government hating rich people...

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Baby Lee
08-06-2011, 07:45 AM
This isn't necessarily directed at you, Thatguy, but I seriously don't understand why people HATE the tea party. I get not agreeing with them, but hate? I don't agree with Orange, but I certainly don't hate him. It just seems like liberals and much of the media has legitimate hate for them. It doesn't make sense to me.

Because, for far too many, political affiliation is little more than an extension of the cliques that were perceived in high school.

Greaser or Soc?
Jock or Nerd
Drama Club or Cheerleader?

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 08:30 AM
This isn't necessarily directed at you, Thatguy, but I seriously don't understand why people HATE the tea party. I get not agreeing with them, but hate? I don't agree with Orange, but I certainly don't hate him. It just seems like liberals and much of the media has legitimate hate for them. It doesn't make sense to me.

It's because they propose real change and they are a threat. The whole effort to make them out to be racists is bunk as well. There are plenty of black Tea Partiers and at some of the higher levels of the Tea Party. Change to the establishment is being threatened and the election showed that. The debt ceiling argument showed that the Tea Party is willing and able to flex their muscles as well.


I dislike the tea party because their not honest. The tea party formed just weeks after President Obama was elected. It had nothing to do with taxes, or big government, because if that was the case where was the tea party during Bush`s presidency. Why weren't they pissed when President George W. Bush launched two costly wars and created a new unfunded mandate with his Medicare prescription-drug plan? Why didn't they take to the streets when he converted a surplus into a massive deficit? I honestly feel that that there is a large portion of the Tea Party that dislikes the president simply because of his race, and only formed because they felt that "white America" was under attack. You can say what you want, but from my perspective the tea party is a one trick pony. They bitch about big government until you bring up cutting their medi care or social security. Their reluctance to comprise, their self serving attitude is just as destructive as the politics they bitch about. I think the Tea Party movement is primarily made up of old angry white guys who feel that they are becoming the minority and are scared shit less about it. They feel that they need to "take back their country" but from who ? from what ? Why no anger when Bush was in office ? Why form just weeks after President Obama was voted into office ? So yes, I hate the tea party. I think race is a big reason for what their doing. You can get mad, you can neg rep me all you want, but that's how I feel ...just being honest.

donkhater
08-06-2011, 08:33 AM
2 failed wars? Let's see... Both Saddam and Osama are dead. Al Qaeda is in disarray worldwide. Iraq has a constitutional government selected by it's people that is built on institutions inspired by western liberalism (not the bad kind of liberalism, but the good kind). And dictators throughout the region are now being challenged by their own people. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

BTW, much of the tea party approves of those wars.

Well I see that you, like most of America, have swallowed the Media's definition of the Tea Party.

The issue that drew me to the Tea Party in 2007 (BEFORE our black president was elected, not that anyone was paying attention) was the idea of fiscal restraint, particulary in regards to our foreign policy of being the worldwide policeman. THAT Tea Party certainly does not approve of these wars. The Tea Party that got co-oped by a desperate GOP and led by Palin, Bachmann, et.al. is nothing more than neocons in drag.

FWIW, I don't think the US is winning a damn thing. Yes, Osama and Saddam are gone, but who will replace them and when are we going to have to overthrow them? Osama baited the US into a decade long manhunt that has contributed to the bankruptcy of this country. He knew he would likely be assassinated and martyred, but it worked. War on Terror? What the hell is that? Propaganda, that's what.

Baby Lee
08-06-2011, 08:36 AM
that's how I feel ...just being honest.

Too bad facts don't support your feelings. I'd point out how if; 1) it hadn't already been done umpteen times around here, and 2) there was even a bit of a chance it would make a difference.

donkhater
08-06-2011, 08:37 AM
I dislike the tea party because their not honest. The tea party formed just weeks after President Obama was elected. It had nothing to do with taxes, or big government, because if that was the case where was the tea party during Bush`s presidency. Why weren't they pissed when President George W. Bush launched two costly wars and created a new unfunded mandate with his Medicare prescription-drug plan? Why didn't they take to the streets when he converted a surplus into a massive deficit? I honestly feel that that there is a large portion of the Tea Party that dislikes the president simply because of his race, and only formed because they felt that "white America" was under attack. You can say what you want, but from my perspective the tea party is a one trick pony. They bitch about big government until you bring up cutting their medi care or social security. Their reluctance to comprise, their self serving attitude is just as destructive as the politics they bitch about. I think the Tea Party movement is primarily made up of old angry white guys who feel that they are becoming the minority and are scared shit less about it. They feel that they need to "take back their country" but from who ? from what ? Why no anger when Bush was in office ? Why form just weeks after President Obama was voted into office ? So yes, I hate the tea party. I think race is a big reason for what their doing. You can get mad, you can neg rep me all you want, but that's how I feel ...just being honest.

Bullshit. The GOP latched onto the Tea Party after the lack of their votes for McCain cost them the election. THEN the media acknowledged their existence. I also am dubious about that faction of the Tea Party, but the one that was forming before the 2008 elections is right on.

Baby Lee
08-06-2011, 08:39 AM
Bullshit. The GOP latched onto the Tea Party after the lack of their votes for McCain cost them the election. THEN the media acknowledged their existence. I also am dubious about that faction of the Tea Party, but the one that was forming week before the 2008 elections is right on.

Paging Dr. Freud. ;)

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 08:39 AM
Well I see that you, like most of America, have swallowed the Media's definition of the Tea Party.

The issue that drew me to the Tea Party in 2007 (BEFORE our black president was elected, not that anyone was paying attention) was the idea of fiscal restraint, particulary in regards to our foreign policy of being the worldwide policeman. THAT Tea Party certainly does not approve of these wars. The Tea Party that got co-oped by a desperate GOP and led by Palin, Bachmann, et.al. is nothing more than neocons in drag.

FWIW, I don't think the US is winning a damn thing. Yes, Osama and Saddam are gone, but who will replace them and when are we going to have to overthrow them? Osama baited the US into a decade long manhunt that has contributed to the bankruptcy of this country. He knew he would likely be assassinated and martyred, but it worked. War on Terror? What the hell is that? Propaganda, that's what.

Looks like we agree on something. ..but the rest, I`m sorry, I will never view the tea party as a serious group of people who really want change. Their just like any one else, they just want THEIR version of change. The tea party only wants whats best for the tea party , and nothing else. The proof was in the recent debt talks. They want nothing to do with partisan politics, only what is good for their base. That is dangerous approach to politics.

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 08:44 AM
Bullshit. The GOP latched onto the Tea Party after the lack of their votes for McCain cost them the election. THEN the media acknowledged their existence. I also am dubious about that faction of the Tea Party, but the one that was forming week before the 2008 elections is right on.

So then you understand why I would see the tea party movement as suspect ? Especially with so many of the boarder line racist signs you would see at those early rallies after the President was elected. Why did it take the tea party so long to distance itself from those people ?

donkhater
08-06-2011, 08:47 AM
Looks like we agree on something. ..but the rest, I`m sorry, I will never view the tea party as a serious group of people who really want change. Their just like any one else, they just want THEIR version of change. The tea party only wants whats best for the tea party , and nothing else. The proof was in the recent debt talks. They want nothing to do with partisan politics, only what is good for their base. That is dangerous approach to politics.

No, they want what's good for the country. It is their opinion that fiscal restraint is in order and all these compromises that go on in Washington don't accomplish anything except to drive the economy further down the wrong path. See the recent debt compromise as exhibit A.

One of the worst things to happen to this country was George Bush. Not because of his policies, which were bad enough, but because he was Republican and the left characterized his crap as conservative. That drove the country to what they thought was the opposite direction in Obama, who really has just implemented Bush's policies on steroids. Really, what has Obama done differently than Bush except on a greater and more damaging scale?

donkhater
08-06-2011, 08:49 AM
So then you understand why I would see the tea party movement as suspect ? Especially with so many of the boarder line racist signs you would see at those early rallies after the President was elected. Why did it take the tea party so long to distance itself from those people ?

iPad typing is bad. The one that formed before the 2008 elections is right on.

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 08:59 AM
No, they want what's good for the country. It is their opinion that fiscal restraint is in order and all these compromises that go on in Washington don't accomplish anything except to drive the economy further down the wrong path. See the recent debt compromise as exhibit A.

One of the worst things to happen to this country was George Bush. Not because of his policies, which were bad enough, but because he was Republican and the left characterized his crap as conservative. That drove the country to what they thought was the opposite direction in Obama, who really has just implemented Bush's policies on steroids. Really, what has Obama done differently than Bush except on a greater and more damaging scale?

Exactly...THEIR OPINION, not fact. The tea party feels that they know whats best and that no other opinions matter unless it supports their view. That is a dangerous group to have in office. The Tea Party movement is boarder line communism when you think about it. Impose your will on the people, make the country conform to what you believe is right, and no room for apposing views. The best form of government is a government that is made up of people with apposing views so that we have a check and balance going on..so that one party or group inst oppressing another. The tea party wants to oppress all views that don't align with theirs..THE SAME THING THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT ..terrorist politics.

Baby Lee
08-06-2011, 09:05 AM
Exactly...THEIR OPINION, not fact. The tea party feels that they know whats best and that no other opinions matter unless it supports their view. That is a dangerous group to have in office. The Tea Party movement is boarder line communism when you think about it. Impose your will on the people, make the country conform to what you believe is right, and no room for apposing views. The best form of government is a government that is made up of people with apposing views so that we have a check and balance going on..so that one party or group inst oppressing another. The tea party wants to oppress all views that don't align with theirs..THE SAME THING THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT ..terrorist politics.

Could this be . . . the ABSOLUTE PERFECT post to come up in this particular thread?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 09:07 AM
Could this be . . . the ABSOLUTE PERFECT post to come up in this particular thread?

ROFL ROFL ROFL


So you agree then that the Tea Party is pretty lame ? Great :thumb:

Baby Lee
08-06-2011, 09:08 AM
So you agree then that the Tea Party is pretty lame ? Great :thumb:

No, I just really love irony.

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 09:09 AM
No, I just really love irony.

Yes...the Irony in your Irony...is very Ironic.

donkhater
08-06-2011, 09:49 AM
Exactly...THEIR OPINION, not fact. The tea party feels that they know whats best and that no other opinions matter unless it supports their view. That is a dangerous group to have in office. The Tea Party movement is boarder line communism when you think about it. Impose your will on the people, make the country conform to what you believe is right, and no room for apposing views. The best form of government is a government that is made up of people with apposing views so that we have a check and balance going on..so that one party or group inst oppressing another. The tea party wants to oppress all views that don't align with theirs..THE SAME THING THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT ..terrorist politics.

So what liberals and neocons believe in is fact not opinion? Their opinions on what's good for the country has given us the current mess. Why is a dissenting opinion on the direction the country must go being viewed so vehemently negative?

The Tea Party has no room for opposing views? Did you read the title to this thread? I agree with Baby Lee. Ironic.

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-06-2011, 10:06 AM
Their opinions on what's good for the country has given us the current mess. Why is a dissenting opinion on the direction the country must go being viewed so vehemently negative?

The Tea Party has no room for opposing views? Did you read the title to this thread? I agree with Baby Lee. Ironic.

I`m a conservative liberal. There are some things that I agree with the GOP about, but the majority of my political view is that of a liberal. I think that the best form of government is one that is made up of the best of all parties. With the Tea Party you don't get that. Did you not follow the debt talks? The tea party did not want to compromise on anything. They believe that they know whats best and that Democrats have nothing to offer the country. When you start to only care about your base , that is dangerous. The tea party tries to bitch and moan that the President does that...yet they do it also..Ironic isn't it.

patteeu
08-06-2011, 10:22 AM
Well I see that you, like most of America, have swallowed the Media's definition of the Tea Party.

The issue that drew me to the Tea Party in 2007 (BEFORE our black president was elected, not that anyone was paying attention) was the idea of fiscal restraint, particulary in regards to our foreign policy of being the worldwide policeman. THAT Tea Party certainly does not approve of these wars. The Tea Party that got co-oped by a desperate GOP and led by Palin, Bachmann, et.al. is nothing more than neocons in drag.

FWIW, I don't think the US is winning a damn thing. Yes, Osama and Saddam are gone, but who will replace them and when are we going to have to overthrow them? Osama baited the US into a decade long manhunt that has contributed to the bankruptcy of this country. He knew he would likely be assassinated and martyred, but it worked. War on Terror? What the hell is that? Propaganda, that's what.

In order for us to distinguish your tea party from the one everyone talks about these days, we should use a different font size. Henceforth, the small group of practically irrelevant, protest-vote-casting, pull-up-the-drawbridge-and-hide-in-the-castle conservatives who have tiny meetups to talk about their favorite political figure, Ron Paul, shall be known as the tea party.

patteeu
08-06-2011, 10:27 AM
I`m a conservative liberal.

I'm a black caucasian.

Oh, and I joined the tea party because Obama is a muslim, not because he's black.

SNR
08-06-2011, 10:43 AM
I`m a conservative liberal. There are some things that I agree with the GOP about, but the majority of my political view is that of a liberal. I think that the best form of government is one that is made up of the best of all parties. With the Tea Party you don't get that. Did you not follow the debt talks? The tea party did not want to compromise on anything. They believe that they know whats best and that Democrats have nothing to offer the country. When you start to only care about your base , that is dangerous. The tea party tries to bitch and moan that the President does that...yet they do it also..Ironic isn't it.Sounds like you're trying to impose your will on me.

What was it Ben Franklin said again? "I'm an extreme moderate; those who are not in favor of moderation ought to be castrated" or something like that?

donkhater
08-06-2011, 11:07 AM
In order for us to distinguish your tea party from the one everyone talks about these days, we should use a different font size. Henceforth, the small group of practically irrelevant, protest-vote-casting, pull-up-the-drawbridge-and-hide-in-the-castle conservatives who have tiny meetups to talk about their favorite political figure, Ron Paul, shall be known as the tea party.

Fine by me. So just so I understand, your TEA PARTY is the war-mongering- idea- deficient-religious-right that only started acting conservative when they lost an election to a community organizer whose policies only vaguely differ from the GOP leaders. Got it. I'll sleep better knowing someone sees the distinction.

BucEyedPea
08-06-2011, 11:22 AM
Fine by me. So just so I understand, your TEA PARTY is the war-mongering- idea- deficient-religious-right that only started acting conservative when they lost an election to a community organizer whose policies only vaguely differ from the GOP leaders. Got it. I'll sleep better knowing someone sees the distinction.

They can't even be original...they have to steal the name.

alanm
08-06-2011, 11:29 AM
That is really easy to say and thank when there isn't a name on the other side with their own ups and downs.

I don't believe for a second that "anyone" can beat him.Keep your eye on Christie. He's doing a lot of poking around in Iowa. :hmmm:

patteeu
08-06-2011, 11:53 AM
Fine by me. So just so I understand, your TEA PARTY is the war-mongering- idea- deficient-religious-right that only started acting conservative when they lost an election to a community organizer whose policies only vaguely differ from the GOP leaders. Got it. I'll sleep better knowing someone sees the distinction.

I'm not religious and the small government ideas that the broader tea party (i.e. the one that actually rose above the noise level in the national discourse) has been pushing have been a staple of my kind of conservatism a lot longer than you've known the name Ron Paul.

We do differ on foreign policy though so "war-mongering" is a fair response to my "pull-up-the-drawbridge" line. :)

patteeu
08-06-2011, 11:54 AM
They can't even be original...they have to steal the name.

LOL Have you ever heard of the Boston Tea Party, Miss Original?

go bowe
08-06-2011, 12:05 PM
I need that shirt. Where did you get it go bowe?

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patteeu
08-06-2011, 12:07 PM
4321 4321 4321

That was one of the funniest things I've seen anyone say here in a while. Well, aside from some of ThatGuy's posts, at least.

|Zach|
08-06-2011, 12:28 PM
LOL Have you ever heard of the Boston Tea Party, Miss Original?

LMAO

mlyonsd
08-06-2011, 12:43 PM
4321 4321 4321You should have asked me if I wanted to buy a vowel.:p

go bowe
08-06-2011, 12:47 PM
You should have asked me if I wanted to buy a vowel.:p

4321 4321 4321 4321 4321 4321 4321 4321 4321 :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Ace Gunner
08-06-2011, 01:28 PM
http://old.mediatransparency.org/active/actions/viewstorypicture.php?storyPictureID=154

KCTitus
08-06-2011, 08:50 PM
I read with amusement the comments that the Tea Party is borderline communist...I mean how intellectually vapid does one have to be.

The premise of the Tea Party is the devolution of the central government that this country has built over the last 80-90 years. The Tea Party is in response to the bailouts, the deficit spending and continual belief that the government is the only solution to all problems in society. Those failed ideas have brought this country to the point of collapse.

The recent debt deal is evident that we dont have enough adults in Washington, yet, and the only people that were serious about the problems we face is the Tea Party.

We have a financial problem that needs to be fixed. We can no longer afford to give everything to everyone...you dont spend 2 times more than what you bring in after amassing more debt than you society can repay in a generation. It needs to be fixed by cutting trillions this year not over the next 10 years.

If Obama manages to get elected in 2012, it's over folks...

As for Kerry's statements, as usual, its the direct opposite. The media needs to pay more attention to ALL political movements... Display them all including the 'progressive' marxist left. Play their comments, anger, etc. Let the people see the competing ideas and let them judge for themselves. I'm confident the Tea Party ideas will prevail if the 'media' were honest and open with the people.

mlyonsd
08-06-2011, 10:10 PM
I read with amusement the comments that the Tea Party is borderline communist...I mean how intellectually vapid does one have to be.

The premise of the Tea Party is the devolution of the central government that this country has built over the last 80-90 years. The Tea Party is in response to the bailouts, the deficit spending and continual belief that the government is the only solution to all problems in society. Those failed ideas have brought this country to the point of collapse.

The recent debt deal is evident that we dont have enough adults in Washington, yet, and the only people that were serious about the problems we face is the Tea Party.

We have a financial problem that needs to be fixed. We can no longer afford to give everything to everyone...you dont spend 2 times more than what you bring in after amassing more debt than you society can repay in a generation. It needs to be fixed by cutting trillions this year not over the next 10 years.

If Obama manages to get elected in 2012, it's over folks...

As for Kerry's statements, as usual, its the direct opposite. The media needs to pay more attention to ALL political movements... Display them all including the 'progressive' marxist left. Play their comments, anger, etc. Let the people see the competing ideas and let them judge for themselves. I'm confident the Tea Party ideas will prevail if the 'media' were honest and open with the people.The left doesn't see it. They are the last ones to grasp the idea that we are sliding down a long sewer ride and the only place we'll end up is Somalia.

That is where you end up when you believe someone else will pay for your supper.

Guys like Kerry might even believe in the BS they spew but the problem is he never has to live in the filth he has helped create.

gonefishin53
08-06-2011, 10:44 PM
This thread is a fine example of why Pres. Washington was so visionary about the devastating impact political parties would have on our Republic and the peoples freedoms. Without the controlling influence of party bosses and their financiers, congress would have to keep policies simple, common sense, inexpensive, and non-invasive to receive a majority of support from citizen legislators representing disparate districts.

lostcause
08-07-2011, 04:10 AM
This thread is a fine example of why Pres. Washington was so visionary about the devastating impact political parties would have on our Republic and the peoples freedoms. Without the controlling influence of party bosses and their financiers, congress would have to keep policies simple, common sense, inexpensive, and non-invasive to receive a majority of support from citizen legislators representing disparate districts.

Redraft!

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-07-2011, 06:49 AM
The left doesn't see it. They are the last ones to grasp the idea that we are sliding down a long sewer ride and the only place we'll end up is Somalia.

That is where you end up when you believe someone else will pay for your supper.

Guys like Kerry might even believe in the BS they spew but the problem is he never has to live in the filth he has helped create.

Are you stupid ? Do you even know why Somalia fucked up ? Seriously, the retardation in DC lounge is epic...

mlyonsd
08-07-2011, 07:39 AM
Are you stupid ? Do you even know why Somalia ****ed up ? Seriously, the retardation in DC lounge is epic...ROFL I just picked the first shit hole that came to mind. Pick another if you like, we're heading that way. Idiots like Obama, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi are leading the way. And you being a lemming, you're just along for the ride.

ChiTown
08-07-2011, 07:42 AM
ROFL I just picked the first shit hole that came to mind. Pick another if you like, we're heading that way. Useful Idiots like you are leading the way.

FYP

mlyonsd
08-07-2011, 07:43 AM
FYPHa, I had to change it to include his buddies and add your very same thought.

mlyonsd
08-07-2011, 08:39 AM
Democrat demagogue talking points are finalized.

This morning both Kerry and Axlerod are calling it "The Tea Party downgrade".

stevieray
08-07-2011, 11:40 AM
It's not amusing watching Kerry and his ilk become what they once pretended to despise.

go bowe
08-07-2011, 01:05 PM
It's not amusing watching Kerry and his ilk become what they once pretended to despise.

kerry has ilk?

now that's icky...

seriously, are you talking about them becoming politicians or something else?