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Saul Good
08-05-2011, 08:36 PM
If you had the number 1 pick in next year's draft, what players would you be willing to take in trade for the pick?

The Bad Guy
08-05-2011, 08:37 PM
Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers.

That's about it.

KurtCobain
08-05-2011, 08:37 PM
What The Bad Guy said.

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 08:38 PM
Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers.

That's about it.

I'd put Suh on that list for sure.

MIAdragon
08-05-2011, 08:38 PM
For Luck? Cassel, Bowe, and one of our CBs.

:facepalm:

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 08:39 PM
I think I'd roll the dice with Luck over Rivers, but it would be a tough call.

The Bad Guy
08-05-2011, 08:39 PM
I'd put Suh on that list for sure.

There's no chance I'd even entertain trading a potential stud QB for a DT no matter how good they are.

KurtCobain
08-05-2011, 08:39 PM
:facepalm:

misread the question

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 08:40 PM
Maybe that 5th round Tight End Denver drafted. According to knowmo, he's going to be the next big thing in the NFL, and knowmo seems like a sharp guy.

Oh yeah, Tebow obviously.

Saul Good
08-05-2011, 08:40 PM
There's no chance I'd even entertain trading a potential stud QB for a DT no matter how good they are.

Suh is Reggie White.

KurtCobain
08-05-2011, 08:40 PM
There's no chance I'd even entertain trading a potential stud QB for a DT no matter how good they are.

What about C Johnson and Suh for luck and your third rounder?

The Bad Guy
08-05-2011, 08:43 PM
Suh is Reggie White.

As awesome as he is, I'm not trading a QB for any other position on the field.

Reaper16
08-05-2011, 08:45 PM
Suh is Reggie White.
And Reggie White didn't get a Super Bowl ring until he went to a team with an elite QB.

NaptownChief
08-05-2011, 08:59 PM
Now this doesn't have squat to do with the topic other than it made me think of collge football and next years draft but one of the players I really like besides Luck is Cyrus Gray RB from Texas AM. In the last several years there have only been a few RB's that really jumped out at me when watching them play prior to them getting a lot of national hype. Edge James at the U, Frank Gore as a freshman at the U before tearing up his knee and Cyrus Gray. Just seems to be a different type of burst and feel for the running game. My instincts were right about the first two, curious to see if that is the case with Gray. Don't get me wrong there have been other RB's that looked good to me but I'm talking about guys that just seem to have the sure thing about them.

BossChief
08-05-2011, 09:33 PM
I wonder if I was the first person to liken Suh to Reggie White?

10-21-09

Suh=Seymour/Reggie White (from what Ive seen of him)

The Bad Guy
08-05-2011, 09:36 PM
I wonder if I was the first person to liken Suh to Reggie White?

10-21-09

Suh=Seymour/Reggie White (from what Ive seen of him)

Suh has a long, long freaking way before he's Reggie White.

DeezNutz
08-05-2011, 09:36 PM
I'd put Suh on that list for sure.

Chiefs fan?

Great Expectations
08-05-2011, 09:42 PM
I'd take Sam Bradford over luck. They are about the same age and what Bradford did with the talent surrounding him coming from a spread offense was amazing. best rookie season for a qb I have seen with all things considered.

BossChief
08-05-2011, 09:43 PM
Suh has a long, long freaking way before he's Reggie White.

As pure talent, not really.

They both were dominant right from the start of their careers.

As a player that can sustain that for a very long period of time, absolutely.

BossChief
08-05-2011, 09:45 PM
I'd take Sam Bradford over luck. They are about the same age and what Bradford did with the talent surrounding him coming from a spread offense was amazing. best rookie season for a qb I have seen with all things considered.

I tend to agree with you.

Bradford has already shown the ability to do it at the NFL level.

Lots of Junior QBs have shown the potential to be great NFL Qbs, but have flamed out for whatever the reason.

Bradford raised the level of play of the team around him the moment he took his first snap.

Lets see if Luck continues to improve without his QB guru to help him take the next steps.

Brianfo
08-05-2011, 09:48 PM
Suh is Reggie White.

Agree. Know that I will get flamed for this, but I wouldn't trade Cassell for Luck. Cassell just went to the pro-bowl. Luck hasn't done a fukn thing in the NFL. Big step up in the real world.

NaptownChief
08-05-2011, 09:48 PM
I tend to agree with you.

Bradford has already shown the ability to do it at the NFL level.

Lots of Junior QBs have shown the potential to be great NFL Qbs, but have flamed out for whatever the reason.

Bradford raised the level of play of the team around him the moment he took his first snap.

Lets see if Luck continues to improve without his QB guru to help him take the next steps.


Agreed...and did it on a bad team while his WR's were dropping like flies from injury. Hist top 2 WR's coming out of camp Laurent Robinson and Avery both went down. So not only did he not have much talent to throw to but he didn't even have that much time to develop chemistry with the guys he had.

DeezNutz
08-05-2011, 09:50 PM
Agree. Know that I will get flamed for this, but I wouldn't trade Cassell for Luck. Cassell just went to the pro-bowl. Luck hasn't done a fukn thing in the NFL. Big step up in the real world.

You wouldn't trade this http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=7804215&postcount=10 for a shot at elite?

NaptownChief
08-05-2011, 09:50 PM
Agree. Know that I will get flamed for this, but I wouldn't trade Cassell for Luck. Cassell just went to the pro-bowl. Luck hasn't done a fukn thing in the NFL. Big step up in the real world.

True but Luck has a ton of talent and made a bad program pretty darn good at Stanford....at the same time Cassell couldn't even get on the field in college. Granted he was behind a Heisman trophy winner but still. All that said you could end up being right. We will see in a couple years.

BossChief
08-05-2011, 09:56 PM
I would trade every single pick we have in the next draft, and a second from the next year for the pick to take Luck.

I might even throw in Stanzi...

Zorn + Cassel + Luck = QB position solved for the next decade.

Worth every penny/draft pick.

SNR
08-05-2011, 10:20 PM
I'm going to laugh if Luck gets depressed, turns to drugs, booze, and hookers, and ends up sucking himself out of the first round

DeezNutz
08-05-2011, 10:28 PM
I would trade every single pick we have in the next draft, and a second from the next year for the pick to take Luck.

I might even throw in Stanzi...

Zorn + Cassel + Luck = QB position solved for the next decade.

Worth every penny/draft pick.

Hmm...tough to say. Reggie White might be in the next draft, and we already know what we have in Cassel. I'd hate to set this franchise back when we could take a safer position, like defensive tackle.

SNR
08-05-2011, 10:33 PM
Hmm...tough to say. Reggie White might be in the next draft, and we already know what we have in Cassel. I'd hate to set this franchise back when we could take a safer position, like defensive tackle.I'm laughing at all the people whacking it to Luck. The dude fucking sucks. You hear me? ANDREW LUCK SUCKS! I'm not debating this, I refuse. He sucks.

And look, I'm not against drafting a QB in the first round, but we shouldn't just throw away 1st rounders on shitty QBs like Luck. If a REAL QB every shows up where we pick, then yes, absolutely, we should draft him.

DeezNutz
08-05-2011, 10:35 PM
I'm laughing at all the people whacking it to Luck. The dude ****ing sucks. You hear me? ANDREW LUCK SUCKS! I'm not debating this, I refuse. He sucks.

And look, I'm not against drafting a QB in the first round, but we shouldn't just throw away 1st rounders on shitty QBs like Luck. If a REAL QB every shows up where we pick, then yes, absolutely, we should draft him.

Go with the sure thing? Makes sense. There's probably not a John Elway in this draft. You know, the type of player who will absolutely hit the ground running, playing at a HOF level.

BossChief
08-05-2011, 10:36 PM
When you have a premier QB coach and an average starter, thats the perfect time to draft a player like luck.

If I made the offer I stated earlier and the team with the pick said "make that second the next year a first and we have a deal"

I shake hands and complete that deal before the other team has a chance to think it over.

Great Expectations
08-05-2011, 10:40 PM
Hmm...tough to say. Reggie White might be in the next draft, and we already know what we have in Cassel. I'd hate to set this franchise back when we could take a safer position, like defensive tackle.

Solid points, but doesn't the guy you are referring to not take the old testament literally? If that is true calling him the next Reggie while he is still in college might be crossing the line.

BossChief
08-05-2011, 10:45 PM
Championship teams are built in the trenches.

Mr. Laz
08-06-2011, 12:12 AM
It will be very interesting to see what Luck does without Harbaugh.

Saul Good
08-06-2011, 12:42 AM
Suh has a long, long freaking way before he's Reggie White.

Suh is going to be better than Reggie White. Jerry Rice is the best non-QB that has ever played the game. Suh will challenge him for this label.

Saul Good
08-06-2011, 12:44 AM
Chiefs fan?

Crazy that there's one player in the entire league that I'd put ahead of a college QB. I must undervalue the QB position.

Direckshun
08-06-2011, 12:48 AM
Over an unproven college prospect?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Rogers
Rivers
Ryan
Freeman
Roethlisberger
Bradford

BossChief
08-06-2011, 12:51 AM
Suh is going to be better than Reggie White. Jerry Rice is the best non-QB that has ever played the game. Suh will challenge him for this label.

Pretty much how I see it, too.

Suh could win 5 DMVP awards and a overall MVP award or three before its all said and done if he can stay healthy.

Nobody just throws linemen out of the way how Suh does.

Nobody.

ChiefsCountry
08-06-2011, 01:16 AM
Agree. Know that I will get flamed for this, but I wouldn't trade Cassell for Luck. Cassell just went to the pro-bowl. Luck hasn't done a fukn thing in the NFL. Big step up in the real world.

Another Pro Bowl QB
http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/image.php?productid=20111
or even another
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/150/740/646390.jpg.14192_display_image.jpg?1265297854

Proving Pro Bowl doesn't mean jack shit.

Direckshun
08-06-2011, 01:18 AM
Here's a fun list to make -- can anyone list all Pro Bowl QBs this team has had?

ChiefsCountry
08-06-2011, 01:20 AM
Here's a fun list to make -- can anyone list all Pro Bowl QBs this team has had?

Lenny
Kenney
Montana
Bono
Grbac
Green
Cassel

DeezNutz
08-06-2011, 09:44 AM
In all seriousness, I agree with many of the comments about Suh's potential greatness. Dude just had a monster rookie year and seems to be on a completely different level than a lot of players in the league.

Furthermore, I'm not as enamored with Luck as most. I like him as a prospect, no question, but I don't think he's "other-worldly" by any stretch.

chiefzilla1501
08-06-2011, 10:07 AM
I just have not been impressed with a lot of QBs that have declared for the draft the past few years, yet a lot of them seem to be succeeding at a higher rate. Luck is the best I feel like we've seen declare in a while (I feel like a lot of recent QBs were largely drafted on upside, with the hope that they could be coached up). I feel like from an intelligence, leadership, and technique standpoint, he's already top notch.

Saul Good
08-06-2011, 10:28 AM
Luck is the best prospect I have seen since Manning.

BossChief
08-06-2011, 11:28 AM
Everytime I watched a Stanford game, I couldn't help thinking I was watching Steve Young.

The same as when I watched Nebraska, I couldn't help but think Suh was a carbon copy of Reggie White.

I guess it depends if you saw Steve Young as an unworldly talent. I did.

Chocolate Hog
08-06-2011, 11:33 AM
I think you guys are overrating Suh a bit.