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Mr. Laz
08-09-2011, 11:53 AM
Updated: August 9, 2011, 12:05 PM ET
2011 NFL Power Rankings: Preseason

ESPN.com

The lockout ended, mercifully. Players changed teams in droves. Training camps opened almost all at once.

Yes, the past few weeks have been a whirlwind. As the dust begins to settle, where does your team stand?

With the 2011 regular season in sight, our voters (ESPN.com's John Clayton, ESPN.com's Ashley Fox, AFC South blogger Paul Kuharsky, NFC West blogger Mike Sando and AFC North blogger James Walker) have taken the first stab at separating the contenders from the pretenders. Predictably, the defending Super Bowl champs were held in high regard, but, as you'll see, not every playoff team from 2010 was afforded the same kind of respect.
So without further ado, here is the preseason edition of ESPN.com's NFL Power Rankings.

Editor's note: "LW" indicates each team's ranking in the Week 18 edition (http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2010/week/18) of the 2010 Power Rankings.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"> <tbody><tr class="stathead"><td colspan="5">2011 Power Rankings: Offseason</td></tr> <tr class="colhead"> <td>
</td> <td width="10%">RK (LW)</td> <td>TEAM</td> <td>REC</td> <td>COMMENT</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers)</td> <td>1 (9)</td> <td>Packers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers)</td> <td width="50">10-6</td> <td>While other teams stockpiled free agents, the Packers stood pat. Are the defending champs still preseason favorites? (Walker)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots)</td> <td>2 (1)</td> <td>Patriots (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots)</td> <td width="50">14-2</td> <td>Too bad "Hard Knocks" couldn't film the daily Albert Haynesworth-Chad Ochocinco show. (Clayton)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles)</td> <td>3 (7)</td> <td>Eagles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles)</td> <td width="50">10-6</td> <td>Only one thing will make this season a success -- winning the franchise's first Vince Lombardi Trophy. (Fox)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-saints)</td> <td>4 (5)</td> <td>Saints (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/no/new-orleans-saints)</td> <td width="50">11-5</td> <td>Saints will find out whether Reggie Bush was an underrated contributor after all. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers)</td> <td>5 (3)</td> <td>Steelers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/pit/pittsburgh-steelers)</td> <td width="50">12-4</td> <td>With off-field distractions behind them, the reigning AFC champs are focused on getting back to the Super Bowl. (Walker)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-falcons)</td> <td>6 (2)</td> <td>Falcons (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-falcons)</td> <td width="50">13-3</td> <td>Adding Ray Edwards quiets draft-day criticisms about ignoring pass rush. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets)</td> <td>7 (8)</td> <td>Jets (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyj/new-york-jets)</td> <td width="50">11-5</td> <td>So far, they have replaced Braylon Edwards, Jerricho Cotchery and Brad Smith with only Plaxico Burress and Derrick Mason. (Clayton)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ind/indianapolis-colts)</td> <td>8 (10)</td> <td>Colts (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ind/indianapolis-colts)</td> <td width="50">10-6</td> <td>Provided Peyton Manning is healthy, don't write off the Colts. They have healed up and even added outsiders. (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens)</td> <td>9 (4)</td> <td>Ravens (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens)</td> <td width="50">12-4</td> <td>The Ravens can go as far as fourth-year QB Joe Flacco is willing to take them. (Walker)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sd/san-diego-chargers)</td> <td>10 (14)</td> <td>Chargers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sd/san-diego-chargers)</td> <td width="50">9-7</td> <td>Every year looks promising, then they wind up short of expectations. It's time for Philip Rivers to be grouped with the elite. (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)</td> <td>11 (12)</td> <td>Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)</td> <td width="50">10-6</td> <td>Missing the playoffs for a second consecutive year is not an option for Tom Coughlin. (Fox)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/tb/tampa-bay-buccaneers)</td> <td>12 (13)</td> <td>Buccaneers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/tb/tampa-bay-buccaneers)</td> <td width="50">10-6</td> <td>It starts with the quarterback, and Tampa Bay has a good one in Josh Freeman. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bears)</td> <td>13 (6)</td> <td>Bears (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bears)</td> <td width="50">11-5</td> <td>The loss of longtime center Olin Kreutz will hurt Chicago's running game. (Walker)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/kc/kansas-city-chiefs)</td> <td>14 (11)</td> <td>Chiefs (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/kc/kansas-city-chiefs)</td> <td width="50">10-6</td> <td>Big breakthroughs are often followed by a step back. Can the Chiefs buck that trend? (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st-louis-rams)</td> <td>15 (17)</td> <td>Rams (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/stl/st-louis-rams)</td> <td width="50">7-9</td> <td>Sam Bradford, Josh McDaniels a compelling combination for the Rams. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys)</td> <td>16 (18)</td> <td>Cowboys (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys)</td> <td width="50">6-10</td> <td>It will be interesting to see Rob Ryan's effect on the Cowboys' defense. (Fox)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/hou/houston-texans)</td> <td>17 (21)</td> <td>Texans (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/hou/houston-texans)</td> <td width="50">6-10</td> <td>Always a darling preseason pick. Could it be the year? Sure. Could it be another failure with people getting fired? Sure. (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/det/detroit-lions)</td> <td>18 (24)</td> <td>Lions (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/det/detroit-lions)</td> <td width="50">6-10</td> <td>The Lions have "sleeper" written all over them, but only if quarterback Matthew Stafford stays healthy. (Walker)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sea/seattle-seahawks)</td> <td>19 (19)</td> <td>Seahawks (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sea/seattle-seahawks)</td> <td width="50">7-9</td> <td>Sidney Rice, Zach Miller give Seattle needed weapons in passing game. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ten/tennessee-titans)</td> <td>20 (20)</td> <td>Titans (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ten/tennessee-titans)</td> <td width="50">6-10</td> <td>Don't buy that they will be contenders for Andrew Luck. Mike Munchak will squeeze something out of the Titans. (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ari/arizona-cardinals)</td> <td>21 (28)</td> <td>Cardinals (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ari/arizona-cardinals)</td> <td width="50">5-11</td> <td>Kevin Kolb's arrival restores hope at quarterback, but time will tell whether Kolb's the answer. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/jac/jacksonville-jaguars)</td> <td>22 (16)</td> <td>Jaguars (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/jac/jacksonville-jaguars)</td> <td width="50">8-8</td> <td>Defense will be better for sure. The question is whether David Garrard can play with consistency. (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders)</td> <td>23 (15)</td> <td>Raiders (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/oak/oakland-raiders)</td> <td width="50">8-8</td> <td>The Raiders are on the rise if Jason Campbell can play consistently. You have to like Hue Jackson's energy. (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/mia/miami-dolphins)</td> <td>24 (22)</td> <td>Dolphins (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/mia/miami-dolphins)</td> <td width="50">7-9</td> <td>If the Dolphins can't get Brett Favre to challenge Chad Henne, maybe they can ask Dan Marino. (Clayton)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/min/minnesota-vikings)</td> <td>25 (23)</td> <td>Vikings (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/min/minnesota-vikings)</td> <td width="50">6-10</td> <td>Minnesota actually got younger at quarterback by acquiring 34-year-old Donovan McNabb. (Walker)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sf/san-francisco-49ers)</td> <td>26 (25)</td> <td>49ers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/sf/san-francisco-49ers)</td> <td width="50">6-10</td> <td>Widespread changes on defense raise questions about 49ers' short-term prospects. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos)</td> <td>27 (29)</td> <td>Broncos (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos)</td> <td width="50">4-12</td> <td>I fear the first year of the John Fox regime will be a long, ugly one filled with Tim Tebow-related controversy. (Kuharsky)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns)</td> <td>28 (27)</td> <td>Browns (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns)</td> <td width="50">5-11</td> <td>If QB Colt McCoy isn't the answer, it will be another long season in Cleveland. (Walker)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins)</td> <td>29 (26)</td> <td>Redskins (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins)</td> <td width="50">6-10</td> <td>In a few more weeks, Mike Shanahan might wish he had kept Donovan McNabb. (Fox)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers)</td> <td>30 (32)</td> <td>Panthers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/car/carolina-panthers)</td> <td width="50">2-14</td> <td>Carolina came out swinging in free agency, but future hinges on Cam Newton. (Sando)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills)</td> <td>31 (30)</td> <td>Bills (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills)</td> <td width="50">4-12</td> <td>The Bills' offensive line can't afford an injury, but it would look better had it added Tyson Clabo. (Clayton)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="left"><td>
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals)</td> <td>32 (31)</td> <td>Bengals (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-bengals)</td> <td width="50">4-12</td> <td>The Bengals are moving on from the Carson Palmer-Chad Ochocinco era, but expect plenty of growing pains with young players. (Walker)</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead"><td>Glossary</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow"><td>The rankings were determined by a poll of five voters on ESPN.com's NFL staff: writers John Clayton (AFC East), Ashley Fox (NFC East), James Walker (AFC North, NFC North), Paul Kuharsky (AFC South, AFC West), and Mike Sando (NFC South, NFC West).</td></tr></tbody></table>

loochy
08-09-2011, 11:54 AM
yeah, that's about where I'd put us

Demonpenz
08-09-2011, 11:56 AM
Lions are going to be good this year.

MOhillbilly
08-09-2011, 11:56 AM
fuckin weak.

DMAC
08-09-2011, 11:58 AM
I like it.

Cephalic Trauma
08-09-2011, 11:59 AM
It's about time somebody started this thread. I think 14 is a pretty accurate starting point for us.

Mr. Laz
08-09-2011, 12:00 PM
it's pretty close ... i could see us in front of the Bears,Bucs and Giants too.

vailpass
08-09-2011, 12:02 PM
If ever there was a pre-season where early power rankings don't tell us a damn thing......

Halfcan
08-09-2011, 12:03 PM
Chargers a head of us-who won the Division again???

f the Chargers

sedated
08-09-2011, 12:03 PM
My top 5:
-Packers
-Steelers
-Saints
-Patriots
-Ravens

Sleeper: Bucs

MOhillbilly
08-09-2011, 12:04 PM
I like it.

pretty lame statement about the chiefs.

eazyb81
08-09-2011, 12:05 PM
All we have to do is beat out the #10 team.

JD10367
08-09-2011, 12:05 PM
Chargers belong below the Chiefs, not above the Giants.

eazyb81
08-09-2011, 12:06 PM
I'm glad to see the 49ers low. They have been hilariously overrated the last few seasons.

Dumbass Mike Greenberg picked them to go to the Super Bowl last year, and just last week he made a passing comment that they will be a good team this year.

Cephalic Trauma
08-09-2011, 12:08 PM
pretty lame statement about the chiefs.

Kuharsky is a ****in loser. He always writes those little one-liners for the chiefs, and they always come off as smug and misinformed. He deserves a swift kick in the nuts.

Cephalic Trauma
08-09-2011, 12:08 PM
I'm glad to see the 49ers low. They have been hilariously overrated the last few seasons.

Dumbass Mike Greenberg picked them to go to the Super Bowl last year, and just last week he made a passing comment that they will be a good team this year.

They made some nice moves in FA, and I would never discount Harbaugh.

eazyb81
08-09-2011, 12:09 PM
Kuharsky is a ****in loser. He always writes those little one-liners for the chiefs, and they always come off as smug and misinformed. He deserves a swift kick in the nuts.

He's a pretty big Titans homer too. Why will Mike f'n Munchak squeeze more out of the Titans this year? He's one of the worst head coaching hires in years.

eazyb81
08-09-2011, 12:09 PM
They made some nice moves in FA, and I would never discount Harbaugh.

Why, because he won one year in college?

beer bacon
08-09-2011, 12:14 PM
yeah, that's about where I'd put us

I'd move us up to ten. If you asked me off the top of my head, I wold probably say around 14. When you go team by team, we aren't worse than San Diego, the Giants, Tampa, or Chicago.

Cephalic Trauma
08-09-2011, 12:15 PM
Why, because he won one year in college?

I read a report about how polished and organized the 49ers' T.C. has been. That may not translate to success, but he's not just some punk college coach who doesn't know what he's getting into. Is he unproven? Yes. But I think they'll be much improved. I do agree with your first statement though. They're overrated year in and year out.

Bambi
08-09-2011, 12:16 PM
Rams way too high.

Vikings way too low.

Steelers and Jets could be a couple notches higher too.

Maybe the Cowboys a bit higher too, otherwise the list is good.

Cephalic Trauma
08-09-2011, 12:16 PM
He's a pretty big Titans homer too. Why will Mike f'n Munchak squeeze more out of the Titans this year? He's one of the worst head coaching hires in years.

Yeah I missed that comment. That hiring made me LMAO.

Saulbadguy
08-09-2011, 12:20 PM
The Saints are done.

DMAC
08-09-2011, 12:21 PM
pretty lame statement about the chiefs.

Fly under the radar.

MOhillbilly
08-09-2011, 12:22 PM
The Saints are done.

i know, right?:drool:

Detoxing
08-09-2011, 12:25 PM
Rams way too high.

Vikings way too low.

Steelers and Jets could be a couple notches higher too.

Maybe the Cowboys a bit higher too, otherwise the list is good.

I disagree with you.

the Viking have only got worse and have to play the Bears, Packers and Lions, all of which are better teams. Reports out of TC are that the O-line looks awful. McNabb is no spring Chicken and they have 1 WR. The team is old and will suffer IMO

Sofa King
08-09-2011, 12:25 PM
The Saints are done.

They sure as hell aren't better than the Steelers.

vailpass
08-09-2011, 12:34 PM
The Saints are done.

How do you figure that?

Saulbadguy
08-09-2011, 12:38 PM
How do you figure that?

Just a "hunch", vailpass.

rocknrolla
08-09-2011, 12:39 PM
Chargers at #10 is laughable.

Detoxing
08-09-2011, 12:42 PM
Chargers at #10 is laughable.

People seem to think that they got better. How? I have no Idea. They were talking on the Radio this morning about how they are the clear cut favorites to win the division and that the signings of Takeo Spikes and Bob Sanders put them in Steelers/Pats territory.

JD10367
08-09-2011, 12:54 PM
People seem to think that they got better. How? I have no Idea. They were talking on the Radio this morning about how they are the clear cut favorites to win the division and that the signings of Takeo Spikes and Bob Sanders put them in Steelers/Pats territory.

It's funny how pundits slobber San Diego's knob, when they've done nothing of consequence except underachieve for a decade.

May Al Davis live forever, and may Norv never stop coaching the Chargers.

sedated
08-09-2011, 12:58 PM
why are the vikings so damn low? When they had good QB play, they were the favorites to win it all. Now they've replaced the bad QB with one that is at a minimum servicable - I'd expect them to be predicted as a lock for the playoffs.

chop
08-09-2011, 01:04 PM
I think the Chiefs and the Chargers should swap positions.

loochy
08-09-2011, 01:05 PM
It's funny how pundits slobber San Diego's knob, when they've done nothing of consequence except underachieve for a decade.

May Al Davis live forever, and may Norv never stop coaching the Chargers.

This. It's the same story with them year after year. Why don't people catch on?

Rams Fan
08-09-2011, 01:05 PM
I agree with the Top 10 for the most part, minus the Chargers. I'd put the Giants at 10. I think the Jaguars are ranked a bit low, they had a good offseason.

Molitoth
08-09-2011, 01:07 PM
lol @ Bob Sanders.
What a joke.

vailpass
08-09-2011, 01:09 PM
Just a "hunch", vailpass.

This is definetely the time of year for hunches. I feel the opposite about the Saints, my hunch takes me the other direction.

vailpass
08-09-2011, 01:09 PM
This. It's the same story with them year after year. Why don't people catch on?

When your QB is that good you get respect.

SNR
08-09-2011, 01:10 PM
This is definetely the time of year for hunches. I feel the opposite about the Saints, my hunch takes me the other direction.You think they can take out the Packers, Eagles, and Falcons?

Meeeeeeeeehhhh

vailpass
08-09-2011, 01:12 PM
You think they can take out the Packers, Eagles, and Falcons?

Meeeeeeeeehhhh

I haven't seen what those teams look like yet, don't know.

It was stated that the Saints were done and I disagreed. Do you think the Saints are done, if by done we mean no longer competitive?

I will say I'm far from sold on Vick over the course of an entire season. On paper it looks like Atlanta got better but we haven't seen a down played y et, and oh what a price they payed.
I see no reason Green Bay shouldn't kick ass again this year but who knows.

Detoxing
08-09-2011, 01:16 PM
why are the vikings so damn low? When they had good QB play, they were the favorites to win it all. Now they've replaced the bad QB with one that is at a minimum servicable - I'd expect them to be predicted as a lock for the playoffs.

What have they done to get better? They've only got worse over this last season while their competition has gotten better. Lock for the Playoffs? They'll be last in their division. You seriously think they'll beat out the Packers, Bears and Lions? I don't.

Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 01:17 PM
yeah, that's about where I'd put us

Chiefs we are not as good as them (TM)

/bad guy

Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 01:20 PM
Denver better win 5-6 games. No way I want them near the number 1 pick QB from Stanford. Forget that noise.

Otter
08-09-2011, 01:22 PM
Chiefs we are not as good as them (TM)

/bad guy

PS - there is no God

Ugly Duck
08-09-2011, 01:22 PM
2011 NFL Power Rankings: Preseason



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KurtCobain
08-09-2011, 01:24 PM
I think the Raiders are rated waaaay too high. The Bengals too. Isn't Marvin Lewis still their coach?

DeezNutz
08-09-2011, 01:27 PM
Fly under the radar.

Hey, last season we were under the radar. That's a great place to be.

Fuck that. The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it; it's always going to be that way. Now let's go out and prove everyone right.

We know we're better than you. We don't give a fuck if you know it or not. We don't give a shit if you give us your best game; we'll give you our best game and beat the fuck out of you. How's that? Let's go get it.

OnTheWarpath58
08-09-2011, 01:28 PM
Hey, last season we were under the radar. That's a great place to be.

Fuck that. The best place to be is when expectations are high. Get used to it; it's always going to be that way. Now let's go out and prove everyone right.

We know we're better than you. We don't give a fuck if you know it or not. We don't give a shit if you give us your best game; we'll give you our best game and beat the fuck out of you. How's that? Let's go get it.

Holy shit.

I'm literally watching that episode right now and was about to post that speech.

BigMeatballDave
08-09-2011, 01:47 PM
I think the Raiders are rated waaaay too high. The Bengals too. Isn't Marvin Lewis still their coach?Yes, but Carson Palmer is no longer their QB.

Jerm
08-09-2011, 01:53 PM
Has a team got more run and praise in the media for doing less than the friggin' Chargers? It's the same story year in and year out...there's no argument to be made that from top to bottom they're a better team than us.

The Jets and Rex Ryan are creeping into this territory as well...

eazyb81
08-09-2011, 01:56 PM
You think they can take out the Packers, Eagles, and Falcons?

Meeeeeeeeehhhh

I think they could definitely take out any of those three on any given Sunday, and would probably rank them #2 on that list behind the Pack.

Detoxing
08-09-2011, 01:57 PM
The Jets and Rex Ryan are creeping into this territory as well...

Yeah but at least the Jets have done something to deserve it....

DTLB58
08-09-2011, 02:22 PM
Denver better win 5-6 games. No way I want them near the number 1 pick QB from Stanford. Forget that noise.

With the change in rookie salaries a lot more teams will be willing to move up and get a guy like him from 2-10.

vailpass
08-09-2011, 02:24 PM
With the change in rookie salaries a lot more teams will be willing to move up and get a guy like him from 2-10.

Yep. If you are holding #1 next year and don't need/want the #1 QB you can get mega value for a trade and still get a good QB in the draft.

sedated
08-09-2011, 02:35 PM
What have they done to get better? They've only got worse over this last season while their competition has gotten better. Lock for the Playoffs? They'll be last in their division. You seriously think they'll beat out the Packers, Bears and Lions? I don't.

First of all, I didn't say I expected them to do anything. My comment was that I thought they would be predicted that way.

The reason they were bad last year was because of Farve. Other than that, they have everything - great RB, good WRs, good defense.

They upgraded at QB - the position that was their downfall last year. They lost a WR who was injured most of last year anyway. They also lost an overrated DE and an old DT - those could be big, but I don't think it would necessarily cause the entire defense to go from great to horrid.

I wouldn't be surprised if they finished 2nd behind GB. I have a wait and see approach to DET, not sure they did enough to be elite and Stafford hasn't come close to making it through a full season. CHI overacheived last year and never addressed their O-line.

Rams Fan
08-09-2011, 02:38 PM
The reason they were bad last year was because of Farve. Other than that, they have everything - great RB, good WRs, good defense.



Their WRs are Harvin, Berrian, Jenkins, Camarillo.

CoMoChief
08-09-2011, 02:44 PM
the 3 teams ranked just ahead of the chiefs are inferior IMO. kc should be ranked at about 10

Tribal Warfare
08-09-2011, 02:44 PM
People seem to think that they got better. How? I have no Idea. They were talking on the Radio this morning about how they are the clear cut favorites to win the division and that the signings of Takeo Spikes and Bob Sanders put them in Steelers/Pats territory.

Phillip Rivers, is the reason why they are rated so high and if they have a decent defense. It will always be the trend

Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 02:49 PM
PS - there is no God

Thanks for the reminder! Remember spread the word...

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Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 02:50 PM
With the change in rookie salaries a lot more teams will be willing to move up and get a guy like him from 2-10.

Actually it will drive the price of #1 picks up in terms compensation to get there.

vailpass
08-09-2011, 03:20 PM
Actually it will drive the price of #1 picks up in terms compensation to get there.

Actually you are a flaming asshole.

CrazyPhuD
08-09-2011, 04:26 PM
Chargers a head of us-who won the Division again???

f the Chargers

You can't keep calling them chokers if you don't at least start them out high.

warrior
08-09-2011, 04:30 PM
Actually it will drive the price of #1 picks up in terms compensation to get there.

Sure will

The Luck sweepstakes will be interesting.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-09-2011, 04:31 PM
The Raiders should be higher. Everyone should follow the Raiders' blueprint to success: Let your two best players walk and give your piece of crap safety a multi-year multimillion dollar contract.

Backwards Masking
08-09-2011, 04:38 PM
Saints and Chargers are way too high.

Jets are too low

Chiefs should be a few spots higher, higher than the Chargers for sure. The Cardinals should be way lower, they were godawful last year, I'm taking it they were ranked higher based on their piss poor division which improves their chances.

Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 04:40 PM
Actually you are a flaming asshole.

From you sir I consider that the finest compliment that there is in the universe. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. You have made my week.

warrior
08-09-2011, 04:42 PM
The Raiders should be higher. Everyone should follow the Raiders' blueprint to success: Let your two best players walk and give your piece of crap safety a multi-year multimillion dollar contract.

Got to love how Al does business.

Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 04:45 PM
Sure will

The Luck sweepstakes will be interesting.

It would be cool if he has a major season to see someone trade like 3 1st rounders and their entire 2012 draft to get him. Kinda like Dallas did with the Herschel Walker trade.

warrior
08-09-2011, 04:51 PM
It would be cool if he has a major season to see someone trade like 3 1st rounders and their entire 2012 draft to get him. Kinda like Dallas did with the Herschel Walker trade.



Will he be worth it--time will tell, he is pretty good.

Ugly Duck
08-09-2011, 05:56 PM
I think the Raiders are rated waaaay too high.

There's only 9 teams below them - how much lower could you rate them? They're only 3 spots above Denver (who picked 2nd) & Oakland outscored them 98-37. They're already behind the Rams & Seahawks. You talkin' waaaay down to #30 or so?

Gadzooks
08-09-2011, 05:59 PM
Chargers are too low.

The team is intact and you guys seem to forget the major break downs they had on special teams last year.
If you were to only take away the Chargers' 4 blocked punts from last year the Chiefs would've been playing golf instead of getting their asses handed to them by the Bengals.

They've more than likely remedied that by bringing in a new and previously successful ST Coach and drafted several psychopaths to knock people’s heads off in the kicking game.

BTW - The Chiefs are too high.

Halfcan
08-09-2011, 06:37 PM
Chargers are too low.

The team is intact and you guys seem to forget the major break downs they had on special teams last year.
If you were to only take away the Chargers' 4 blocked punts from last year the Chiefs would've been playing golf instead of getting their asses handed to them by the Bengals.

They've more than likely remedied that by bringing in a new and previously successful ST Coach and drafted several psychopaths to knock people’s heads off in the kicking game.

BTW - The Chiefs are too high.

ROFL There are too many things wrong with this post to even try-LOL

Gadzooks
08-09-2011, 07:15 PM
ROFL There are too many things wrong with this post to even try-LOL

My spelling and grammar are right on. Now, take off your rose colored glasses and let the facts sink in.
Let the realization that the Chiefs will be competing for a Wild Card this season be absorbed and take the time to provide a rational defense

notorious
08-09-2011, 07:17 PM
Ocho Cinco torched us in the playoffs. The image of him dancing in the endzone will haunt me for years.

Count Zarth
08-09-2011, 07:18 PM
No respect whatsoever.

Fuck the Chargers.

BigMeatballDave
08-09-2011, 07:35 PM
Chargers are too low.

The team is intact and you guys seem to forget the major break downs they had on special teams last year.
If you were to only take away the Chargers' 4 blocked punts from last year the Chiefs would've been playing golf instead of getting their asses handed to them by the Bengals.

They've more than likely remedied that by bringing in a new and previously successful ST Coach and drafted several psychopaths to knock people’s heads off in the kicking game.

BTW - The Chiefs are too high.You know, we can play the excuse game as well. A few plays here and there and the Chiefs finish 13-3 last season.

warrior
08-09-2011, 07:41 PM
Ocho Cinco torched us in the playoffs. The image of him dancing in the endzone will haunt me for years.

Yeah me to :thumb:

KurtCobain
08-09-2011, 07:45 PM
Yeah me to :thumb:

When was this?

Gadzooks
08-09-2011, 08:26 PM
You know, we can play the excuse game as well. A few plays here and there and the Chiefs finish 13-3 last season.

Oh wait... I didn't mention the VJ or McNeill holdouts.
You guys are doomed.

Bambi
08-09-2011, 09:03 PM
why are the vikings so damn low? When they had good QB play, they were the favorites to win it all. Now they've replaced the bad QB with one that is at a minimum servicable - I'd expect them to be predicted as a lock for the playoffs.

Of course they're way too low. It's really the only glaring mistake in this list.

notorious
08-09-2011, 09:29 PM
When was this?

We are just breaking balls. Gadzooks said that we got raped by Cincy last year in the PO's when it was really Baltimore that pushed our shit in.

Silock
08-09-2011, 09:47 PM
10 (14) Chargers 9-7


14 (11) Chiefs 10-6



Wait wut?

Gadzooks
08-09-2011, 10:46 PM
We are just breaking balls. Gadzooks said that we got raped by Cincy last year in the PO's when it was really Baltimore that pushed our shit in.

You're right. Cincy pushed our poo while you guy's got bum raped by the Ravens.
My bad. I'm still having nightmares about the SD vs. Cinci game.

Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 10:59 PM
Chargers are too low.

The team is intact and you guys seem to forget the major break downs they had on special teams last year.
If you were to only take away the Chargers' 4 blocked punts from last year the Chiefs would've been playing golf instead of getting their asses handed to them by the Bengals.

They've more than likely remedied that by bringing in a new and previously successful ST Coach and drafted several psychopaths to knock people’s heads off in the kicking game.

BTW - The Chiefs are too high.

We got beat by the Bengals? It must have been really bad because I've completely blocked it out. What else can't I remember?

Gadzooks
08-09-2011, 11:05 PM
We got beat by the Bengals? It must have been really bad because I've completely blocked it out. What else can't I remember?

I know it took you at least 13 mins to write that crappy post because you missed my correction directly above it.

Dave Lane
08-09-2011, 11:11 PM
I type slow :)

Rausch
08-09-2011, 11:12 PM
I type slow :)

And you're not very good at it.

:evil:

RINGLEADER
08-09-2011, 11:43 PM
Chargers a head of us-who won the Division again???

f the Chargers

Don't you remember? The Chargers were ahead of us last season while we won the division and their asses were at home watching from the couch. They'll lose 3 of the first 5 and still be rated higher than KC.

beach tribe
08-09-2011, 11:45 PM
Oh wait... I didn't mention the VJ or McNeill holdouts.
You guys are doomed.

I cannot fucking wait

milkman
08-10-2011, 07:20 AM
Of course they're way too low. It's really the only glaring mistake in this list.

Donavan McNabb has always been an overrated QB, and he is aging and on the decline.

Christian Ponder will be starting by week 10 when the Vikings are all but eliminated from the playoffs.

Detroit, even if Stafford gets hurt, will finish ahead of the Vikings.

milkman
08-10-2011, 07:23 AM
Giants are overrated.

They've done nothing to improve, and have holes at WR, and Eli Manning had one stretch of about 7 games, including the SB, in which he looked like a franchise QB.

Since, and before that, he has been pretty average.

Amnorix
08-10-2011, 07:27 AM
Has a team got more run and praise in the media for doing less than the friggin' Chargers? It's the same story year in and year out...there's no argument to be made that from top to bottom they're a better team than us.

The Jets and Rex Ryan are creeping into this territory as well...

Yeah but at least the Jets have done something to deserve it....

Well, lately.

The Chargers made it to some AFCC games, but that's getting to be a while ago now. They also routinely played in very high profile games, and routinely throttled the Colts. All that, plus a top 5 or so QB in Rivers, is always going to get them love, whether they win it all or not.

Jets have gone to the last two AFCC, so it's hard to dump on them (much as I'd like to).

Alot of people have the Chiefs in for a slump this year, thinking last year was partially the result of a soft(er) schedule. Not saying that's what will happen, but it's the common thinking. Time will tell.

Amnorix
08-10-2011, 07:28 AM
Giants are overrated.

They've done nothing to improve, and have holes at WR, and Eli Manning had one stretch of about 7 games, including the SB, in which he looked like a franchise QB.

Since, and before that, he has been pretty average.


:banghead: :banghead:

Backwards Masking
08-10-2011, 07:31 AM
Giants are overrated.

They've done nothing to improve, and have holes at WR, and Eli Manning had one stretch of about 7 games, including the SB, in which he looked like a franchise QB.

Since, and before that, he has been pretty average.

I totally agree. They get mad love cause they're New York and in the NFC East. They've always gotten more credit and media exposure than they deserve (except for right after winning it all, they earned it that time).

milkman
08-10-2011, 07:45 AM
Well, lately.

The Chargers made it to some AFCC games, but that's getting to be a while ago now. They also routinely played in very high profile games, and routinely throttled the Colts. All that, plus a top 5 or so QB in Rivers, is always going to get them love, whether they win it all or not.

Jets have gone to the last two AFCC, so it's hard to dump on them (much as I'd like to).

While I agree with you to an extent, I also think that the Chargers have gotten more respect through the years than they deserve.

It wasn't all that long ago that the media was slobbing their knobs, essentially calling them the best losing team ever.

Alot of people have the Chiefs in for a slump this year, thinking last year was partially the result of a soft(er) schedule. Not saying that's what will happen, but it's the common thinking. Time will tell.

While the schedule plays a part, the fact is, the Chargers schedule is every bit as difficult as the Chiefs schedule, and since Norvel Turner took over that team they have been a team that has been ill prepared at the start of the season each and every season.

My disdain for Marty is almost legendary, but one thing he did, and did well, is have his teams prepared to start the season.

milkman
08-10-2011, 07:51 AM
:banghead: :banghead:

Ah....I was about to pose the question, why the banging heads?

Then I realized who I was talking to.

One thing I think is overlooked in that game is the affect the ankle injury that Brady was nursing had on his performance.

His pocket mobility was impacted, and the fact that he couldn't follow through on his footwork when releasing a pass had him sailing throws.

I still believe that had Brady not suffered that injury, that Giant rush would have been far less effective, and Brady would have been far more effective.

Amnorix
08-10-2011, 08:04 AM
Ah....I was about to pose the question, why the banging heads?

Then I realized who I was talking to.

One thing I think is overlooked in that game is the affect the ankle injury that Brady was nursing had on his performance.

His pocket mobility was impacted, and the fact that he couldn't follow through on his footwork when releasing a pass had him sailing throws.

I still believe that had Brady not suffered that injury, that Giant rush would have been far less effective, and Brady would have been far more effective.

Yeah, that may well be true, but to me, the Patriots O-Line lost that game. That and some fluke plays (helmet catch), gave the Giants the win. All credit to the Giants, though, who played with 150% effort, balls-to-the-wall, etc.

If it wasnt' for losing the perfect season, I wouldn't find losing that game to be nearly as annoying as I do. In my book it's some kind of karma-balancing for upsetting the '01 Rams...

milkman
08-10-2011, 08:12 AM
Yeah, that may well be true, but to me, the Patriots O-Line lost that game. That and some fluke plays (helmet catch), gave the Giants the win. All credit to the Giants, though, who played with 150% effort, balls-to-the-wall, etc.

If it wasnt' for losing the perfect season, I wouldn't find losing that game to be nearly as annoying as I do. In my book it's some kind of karma-balancing for upsetting the '01 Rams...

When Brady lost that pocket mobility, we got a chance to see the real O-Line, which isn't nearly as good as most people believe.

I've always said that Tom Brady makes that O-Line look far better than they actually are.

LOCOChief
08-10-2011, 08:19 AM
You're right. Cincy pushed our poo My bad. I'm still having nightmares about the SD vs. Cinci game.

I'll bet you are. I'd also bet that's not the first time YOU have had "your poo pushed in"

That loss to Cincy reminds me that SD is NEVER as good as people claim or expect. Prepare for another huge let down this year jack off.

Deberg_1990
08-10-2011, 08:23 AM
My disdain for Marty is almost legendary, but one thing he did, and did well, is have his teams prepared to start the season.

Hes the best "Regular Season" coach of all time. Take that for what its worth....

Bambi
08-10-2011, 08:57 AM
Many people in this thread are confusing "power ranking" with "predicted finish".

The Vikings might very well finish behind the Packers and Bears (I doubt they finish behind the Lions) but that has no bearing on this list. The Vikings should probably ranked right alongside the Chiefs.

It doesn't make sense putting them that low.

Amnorix
08-10-2011, 09:02 AM
When Brady lost that pocket mobility, we got a chance to see the real O-Line, which isn't nearly as good as most people believe.

I've always said that Tom Brady makes that O-Line look far better than they actually are.


I agree in a sense. I think the Pats OLine is pretty good, but I do agree that Brady makes them -- or would make any -- OLine look better. I haven't seen a QB with better pocket presence since Marino.

boogblaster
08-10-2011, 09:19 AM
Middle of the pack .. I'll settle for that ....

milkman
08-10-2011, 09:22 AM
I agree in a sense. I think the Pats OLine is pretty good, but I do agree that Brady makes them -- or would make any -- OLine look better. I haven't seen a QB with better pocket presence since Marino.

Marino did have some of that pocket mobility, but we all know his greatest strength was his quick release.

The guy that I think had the same kind of pocket mobility, and who I have compared him to in the past, and who, in my mind, is one of the most underrated QBs ever, is Terry Bradshaw.