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Chiefshrink
08-10-2011, 08:41 AM
Is Obama Smart? A case study in stupid is as stupid does.
By BRET STEPHENS

The aircraft was large, modern and considered among the world's safest. But that night it was flying straight into a huge thunderstorm. Turbulence was extreme, and airspeed indicators may not have been functioning properly. Worse, the pilots were incompetent. As the plane threatened to stall they panicked by pointing the nose up, losing speed when they ought to have done the opposite. It was all over in minutes.

Was this the fate of Flight 447, the Air France jet that plunged mysteriously into the Atlantic a couple of years ago? Could be. What I'm talking about here is the Obama presidency.

When it comes to piloting, Barack Obama seems to think he's the political equivalent of Charles Lindbergh, Chuck Yeager and—in a "Fly Me to the Moon" sort of way—Nat King Cole rolled into one. "I think I'm a better speech writer than my speech writers," he reportedly told an aide in 2008. "I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I'll tell you right now that I'm . . . a better political director than my political director."

On another occasion—at the 2004 Democratic convention—Mr. Obama explained to a Chicago Tribune reporter that "I'm LeBron, baby. I can play at this level. I got game."

Of course, it's tempting to be immodest when your admirers are so immodest about you. How many times have we heard it said that Mr. Obama is the smartest president ever? Even when he's criticized, his failures are usually chalked up to his supposed brilliance. Liberals say he's too cerebral for the Beltway rough-and-tumble; conservatives often seem to think his blunders, foreign and domestic, are all part of a cunning scheme to turn the U.S. into a combination of Finland, Cuba and Saudi Arabia.

I don't buy it. I just think the president isn't very bright.

Socrates taught that wisdom begins in the recognition of how little we know. Mr. Obama is perpetually intent on telling us how much he knows. Aristotle wrote that the type of intelligence most needed in politics is prudence, which in turn requires experience. Mr. Obama came to office with no experience. Plutarch warned that flattery "makes itself an obstacle and pestilence to great houses and great affairs." Today's White House, more so than any in memory, is stuffed with flatterers.

Much is made of the president's rhetorical gifts. This is the sort of thing that can be credited only by people who think that a command of English syntax is a mark of great intellectual distinction. Can anyone recall a memorable phrase from one of Mr. Obama's big speeches that didn't amount to cliché? As for the small speeches, such as the one we were kept waiting 50 minutes for yesterday, we get Triple-A bromides about America remaining a "Triple-A country." Which, when it comes to long-term sovereign debt, is precisely what we no longer are under Mr. Obama.

President Barack Obama

Then there is Mr. Obama as political tactician. He makes predictions that prove false. He makes promises he cannot honor. He raises expectations he cannot meet. He reneges on commitments made in private. He surrenders positions staked in public. He is absent from issues in which he has a duty to be involved. He is overbearing when he ought to be absent. At the height of the financial panic of 1907, Teddy Roosevelt, who had done much to bring the panic about by inveighing against big business, at least had the good sense to stick to his bear hunt and let J.P. Morgan sort things out. Not so this president, who puts a new twist on an old put-down: Every time he opens his mouth, he subtracts from the sum total of financial capital.

Then there's his habit of never trimming his sails, much less tacking to the prevailing wind. When Bill Clinton got hammered on health care, he reverted to centrist course and passed welfare reform. When it looked like the Iraq war was going to be lost, George Bush fired Don Rumsfeld and ordered the surge.

Mr. Obama, by contrast, appears to consider himself immune from error. Perhaps this explains why he has now doubled down on Heckuva Job Geithner. It also explains his insulting and politically inept habit of suggesting—whether the issue is health care, or Arab-Israeli peace, or change we can believe in at some point in God's good time—that the fault always lies in the failure of his audiences to listen attentively. It doesn't. In politics, a failure of communication is always the fault of the communicator.

Much of the media has spent the past decade obsessing about the malapropisms of George W. Bush, the ignorance of Sarah Palin, and perhaps soon the stupidity of Rick Perry. Nothing is so typical of middling minds than to harp on the intellectual deficiencies of the slightly less smart and considerably more successful.

But it takes actual smarts to understand that glibness and self-belief are not sufficient proof of genuine intelligence. Stupid is as stupid does, said the great philosopher Forrest Gump. The presidency of Barack Obama is a case study in stupid does.

patteeu
08-10-2011, 09:01 AM
Yes, I think he's smart. And yes, I think he thinks he's smarter than he really is which makes him look dumb sometimes.

Dave Lane
08-10-2011, 09:05 AM
Very very smart. Feel free to hate on that.

patteeu
08-10-2011, 09:07 AM
I haven't seen any reason to believe he's smarter than George W. Bush though. He's certainly a less capable leader.

Otter
08-10-2011, 09:12 AM
Intelligence is compartmentalized. How many people do you know that could solve calculus problems to the point where it makes you look like an idiot but can't change a tire or figure out how to make chicken marsala.

Obama is smart, but not the kind of smart a country needs from a leader. He's in over his head in that category without a doubt.

WV
08-10-2011, 09:20 AM
I do believe he's smart, unfortunately his arrogance and pompous attitude lead him to believe he's an infallable genius.

loochy
08-10-2011, 09:21 AM
Yes, I think he's smart. And yes, I think he thinks he's smarter than he really is which makes him look dumb sometimes.

Obama is smart, but not the kind of smart a country needs from a leader. He's in over his head in that category without a doubt.

I pretty much think both of these are correct.

RINGLEADER
08-10-2011, 09:30 AM
Of course he's smart. His problem is common sense -- he lets his ideology cloud his judgment and his heart overrides his head. When he had to concede that his "shovel-ready" projects didn't quite work as advertised he seemed genuinely saddened that everything he had learned and believed wasn't quite as advertised. I think he really, REALLY, thought that his "recovery summer" would have given way to 5.0% growth by now.

Eventually his ideology will win out again and he'll come to believe that he didn't do enough deficit spending, but watching him reflect on the stimulus was interesting.

RINGLEADER
08-10-2011, 09:32 AM
Intelligence is compartmentalized. How many people do you know that could solve calculus problems to the point where it makes you look like an idiot but can't change a tire or figure out how to make chicken marsala.

Obama is smart, but not the kind of smart a country needs from a leader. He's in over his head in that category without a doubt.

This is true. There's a reason why college professors who understand the ins and outs of how business works don't actually try to apply their knowledge and start one themselves.

Donger
08-10-2011, 09:34 AM
This is true. There's a reason why college professors who understand the ins and outs of how business works don't actually try to apply their knowledge and start one themselves.

Heh.

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Chief Henry
08-10-2011, 09:35 AM
I haven't seen any reason to believe he's smarter than George W. Bush though. He's certainly a less capable leader.

The past two weeks numerous liberal bloggers and columnist along with the talking heads have been questioning Obama and his decisions BIG TIME. I believe
your statement of him being a less capable leader is SPOT ON.

Chief Henry
08-10-2011, 09:52 AM
Intelligence is compartmentalized. How many people do you know that could solve calculus problems to the point where it makes you look like an idiot but can't change a tire or figure out how to make chicken marsala.

Obama is smart, but not the kind of smart a country needs from a leader. He's in over his head in that category without a doubt.

:thumb:

Jaric
08-10-2011, 10:20 AM
He's not nearly as smart as his supporters would have you believe, and not nearly as dumb as those who oppose would tell you.

But he's obviously intelligent in some capacity. You don't forest gump your way into the POTUS.

loochy
08-10-2011, 10:22 AM
He's not nearly as smart as his supporters would have you believe, and not nearly as dumb as those who oppose would tell you.

But he's obviously intelligent in some capacity. You don't forest gump your way into the POTUS.

You are right. This is what I always try to tell people about GW Bush.

patteeu
08-10-2011, 10:25 AM
You don't forest gump your way into the POTUS.

You are right. This is what I always try to tell people about GW Bush.

Yep

BucEyedPea
08-10-2011, 10:33 AM
Smart in the subject of socialism, left-progressive and community organizing. Ignorant about economics.

Garcia Bronco
08-10-2011, 05:30 PM
"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons"

-Emerson

Amnorix
08-10-2011, 05:39 PM
Smart in the subject of socialism, left-progressive and community organizing. Ignorant about economics.


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Calcountry
08-10-2011, 05:42 PM
Smart in the subject of socialism, left-progressive and community organizing. Ignorant about economics.Far from it, he is an expert on Marxian economic thought.

petegz28
08-10-2011, 05:50 PM
There is a difference between being smart and being wise. Obama seems to be the former and nothing close to the latter. A wise man always makes the best leader because he knows it is wise to surround himself with smart people and listen to them. Meaning he knows it is unwise to surround himself with a bunch if yes-men and political hacks.

ChiefaRoo
08-10-2011, 05:55 PM
I haven't seen any reason to believe he's smarter than George W. Bush though. He's certainly a less capable leader.

He is smart but as the article points out he is without wisdom.

LiveSteam
08-10-2011, 07:58 PM
JOKE I JUST READ
Obama looked at Oprah, chuckled and said, "You know, I could throw a $1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy." Oprah shrugged her shoulders and replied, "I could throw ten $100 bills out of the window and make ten people very happy". Hearing their exchange, the pilot of plane said to his co-pilot,"Such big-shots back there. I could throw both of them out of the window and make 256 million people very happy

trndobrd
08-10-2011, 09:48 PM
Obama's intelligence is largely irrelevant. I'm certain he is not the smartest President we have had, nor is he the least intelligent and probably falls in the middle. What he lacks are the two most important traits needed by a President, leadership and discernment.

By leadership, I don't mean the 'Rah-Rah lets take the hill!' leadership of cheerleading. I'm talking about the ability to force action, or inaction, through force of will and getting opponents on your side. Reagan, Truman, Ike and FDR all had this quality. The best Presidents have displayed an innate understanding of when a carrot, stick, spoon full of sugar, or banging heads will be the most effective.

Obama has not shown this kind of ability before or during his Presidency. While he certainly has the ability to sway an audience of 5000 in an arena, he hasn't shown the ability to sway 5 in a closed door meeting.

Discernment is important because no President is smart enough for the job in the modern era. The President's ability to wisely choose the people around him will ultimately make or break a presidency. Clinton's decision to choose Cohen as Secretary of Defense, and other from across the political spectrum was a brilliant example of a President showing the discerment to pick a cabinet secretaries who would be loyal, supportive and willing to disagree. Reagan's second term was riddled with poor choices, while GWB's presidence was revived by his willingness to cut Rumsfeld and select Gates as SECDEF.

I truly wonder, especially since Rahm Emanuel left, if there is anyone in Obama's inner circle that would ever say "Mr. President, that's wrong and here's why..."



"Knowledge is know that a tomato is not a vegetable and is actually a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put a tomato in a fruit salad."

BucEyedPea
08-10-2011, 09:53 PM
Far from it, he is an expert on Marxian economic thought.

That's what I said....with different words.

Direckshun
08-10-2011, 10:50 PM
No. He is dumb as a doorbell.

Extra Point
08-11-2011, 07:11 AM
Far from it, he is an expert on Marxian economic thought.

I dread the passing into his "logical conclusion of things."

Chiefshrink
08-11-2011, 08:35 AM
Marxism,Communism or whatever "ism" you want to call Obama's idealogue "ism" this is what he is committed to doing to America. This is a man who has never been outside the world of Marxist/Communist thought let alone outside of hating America and how to bring her down as BEP and CalCountry have reiterated. Obama does not have just a 'chip' but rather a "boulder on his shoulder" about this nation pure and simple. In his severe "idealogue narcissistic mind" he is out to "right the wrongs of America".

Remember, the success of Marxism/Communism depends on deception,lies and propaganda (pretend to support the 'little people' while you destroy the 'little people' a la play the class warfare card at every turn).

If there is any brilliance about Obama it is his ability to look honestly 'incompetent'(making all these economic woes appear by accident) while all along he knows exactly what he is doing in destroying America as he knows it.

Lip service to 'jobs and the economy' while purposely 'preventing jobs and destroying the free market' is his genius; taking advantage of the trusting Americans who voted for him while he implements his plan he had all along. It just wasn't the Pro-American plan "We The People" expected but rather a plan put together by "The Center for American Destruction" whoops I meant "The Center for American Progress" :thumb:

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 10:44 AM
That's a good point. Intentionally destroying capitalism is a socialist method. Plus it convinces the dupes that its markets that are causing the problem. Loltz! The brainwashing is near complete. That makes Obama brilliant—diabolically brilliant!

vailpass
08-11-2011, 11:33 AM
He's an uppity boy whose over-inflated self image has him playing at being an adult while the grown-ups laugh at him.

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-11-2011, 05:37 PM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 05:40 PM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

I'm a Nole's fan. Them's Injuns too! Let's meet for a pow-pow!

Reaper16
08-11-2011, 05:44 PM
He's an uppity boy whose over-inflated self image has him playing at being an adult while the grown-ups laugh at him.
Holy shit. C'mon, man.

ThatRaceCardGuy
08-11-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm a Nole's fan. Them's Injuns too! Let's meet for a pow-pow!

Im good...

RedNeckRaider
08-11-2011, 05:50 PM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

I am not a Chiefs fan that much is true. I also attend games and have met several who post here. That said my immense disappointment in this embarrassment has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin~

KurtCobain
08-11-2011, 05:51 PM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

LMAO

Obama's black?

Donger
08-11-2011, 05:53 PM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread.

:spock:

If one questions the intelligence of a Black person, that person has to be doing that for racial reasons?

KurtCobain
08-11-2011, 05:55 PM
:spock:

If one questions the intelligence of a Black person, that person has to be doing that for racial reasons?

I know, right. I know a lot of stupid black people.

griZZly64
08-11-2011, 06:25 PM
who cares.. He's the President aKa king of the shisters. Fuck all them politicians. If I could get all of em in one building I'd nuke them off the face of the earth.

vailpass
08-11-2011, 06:34 PM
Holy shit. C'mon, man.

:spock:

Extra Point
08-11-2011, 06:41 PM
That's a good point. Intentionally destroying capitalism is a socialist method. Plus it convinces the dupes that it's markets that are causing the problem. Loltz! The brainwashing is near complete. That makes Obama brilliant—diabolically brilliant!

It's funny that you don't know the use in a sentence of the word its.

Reaper16
08-11-2011, 08:16 PM
:spock:
You're either:

1.) as racist as half the board thinks you are
2.) just using these epithets to troll people that do think you're racist
3.) somehow ignorant that BOTH "uppity" and "boy" are longstanding racial epithets against black men.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 08:47 PM
It's funny that you don't know the use in a sentence of the word its.
Well, actually, I do. I just have a habit of not typing words correctly or proofing what I write before posting. I post fast. I do spot many later though and that's a common one.

it's - it is
its - possessive


Now do you have anything to contribute to the discussion or debate? I didn't think so.
Guess you don't have an extra point.

KC native
08-11-2011, 10:42 PM
You're either:

1.) as racist as half the board thinks you are
2.) just using these epithets to troll people that do think you're racist
3.) somehow ignorant that BOTH "uppity" and "boy" are longstanding racial epithets against black men.

#1 all the way.

J Diddy
08-12-2011, 06:05 AM
I haven't seen any reason to believe he's smarter than George W. Bush though. He's certainly a less capable leader.

Why do you think that?

ROYC75
08-12-2011, 08:04 AM
Smart ?

Yes, to a degree. It's his arrogance that is so over whelming that it completely blocks out common sense.

Jaric
08-12-2011, 10:10 AM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

Did you forget the 7 and a half years prior to his election where the entire country questioned Bush's intelligence?

Stop trying to make everything about race.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 10:13 AM
You're either:

1.) as racist as half the board thinks you are
2.) just using these epithets to troll people that do think you're racist
3.) somehow ignorant that BOTH "uppity" and "boy" are longstanding racial epithets against black men.

Feel free to take things out of context. The entire sentence says he is a boy pretending to be a grown up. And yes the bastard is uppity. That is my opinion and I'll not have it censored based on the color of the subject.
Race baiting is lame and tired.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 10:16 AM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

LMAO You are really helping your cause here slick.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-12-2011, 10:48 AM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

I'm not racist... I hate Obama's White Half too.

InChiefsHell
08-12-2011, 10:53 AM
Being a dummy and doing dumb things do not always go hand in hand. I daresay every President of the US is very smart...but that doesn't preclude them from doing some stupid stupid shit.

SenselessChiefsFan
08-12-2011, 10:54 AM
You're either:

1.) as racist as half the board thinks you are
2.) just using these epithets to troll people that do think you're racist
3.) somehow ignorant that BOTH "uppity" and "boy" are longstanding racial epithets against black men.

I never knew uppity was a racial epithet. Dang, I call a lot of people uppity. Most are white women, though.... so, hopefully they don't think I dislike black people by calling them uppity. Wait..... does that mean, that vailpass was actually calling Obama a white woman?

All of this getting offended at every little thing is confusing.

InChiefsHell
08-12-2011, 10:55 AM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

Translation: I got nuthin' so Y'ALL RACIST!!

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 11:18 AM
If he was white you wouldn't of even started this thread. I hope to meet a lot of you soon. I have tickets to a few games year and maybe we can....oh wait, you pieces of shit aren't even Chiefs fans, yet you come to Chiefs planet every day to spew your racist hate.

Hells yeah!! It's not like anyone ever questioned W's intelligence, or his dad's, or Quayles, or Reagan's, or Palins, or Bachmann's, or . . .

Questioning, or outright mocking, the intelligence of powerful members of the opposition is the DNC's 'Lombardi Sweep.' That is until they are relieved of, and recede from, power, then they become the 'reasonable bipartisan statemen' that are contrasted to the NEW hyper-retarded opposition.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 11:28 AM
Feel free to take things out of context. The entire sentence says he is a boy pretending to be a grown up. And yes the bastard is uppity. That is my opinion and I'll not have it censored based on the color of the subject.
Race baiting is lame and tired.

It appears that you are trying to REMOVE a great deal of fully relevant context.

Is it POSSIBLE that one could think that Obama has an outsized sense of entitlement as well as an air of adolescence/immaturity, without reference to his race?

Yes.

Is it LIKELY that someone would express that with the phrase 'uppity boy' without racial resentment.

No.

This isn't twisting obscure connotations beyond recognition. Ferfuchsake, 'uppity boy' is, like, the screenwriter's boilerplate to establish which authority figure is the racist one in the story.

Walk up to the first black grown man you see, anywhere in the nation, from MLK Blvd to Bed-Stuy, to Wall Street, to Michael Steele's office, and call him an uppity boy. You'll eat your teeth.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:36 AM
It appears that you are trying to REMOVE a great deal of fully relevant context.

Is it POSSIBLE that one could think that Obama has an outsized sense of entitlement as well as an air of adolescence/immaturity, without reference to his race?

Yes.

Is it LIKELY that someone would express that with the phrase 'uppity boy' without racial resentment.

No.

This isn't twisting obscure connotations beyond recognition. Ferfuchsake, 'uppity boy' is, like, the screenwriter's boilerplate to establish which authority figure is the racist one in the story.

Walk up to the first black grown man you see, anywhere in the nation, from MLK Blvd to Bed-Stuy, to Wall Street, to Michael Steele's office, and call him an uppity boy. You'll eat your teeth.

You can't parse sentences to fit your perception.
"I hate people" is entirely different from "I hate people who are cruel" yet you can get the former from the latter.

Not once did I refer to obama's race. His shortcomings are color blind; I would label his behaviors the same if he were white or yellow. If you choose to see some sort of racial undertone in my statement I can't be accountable for your personal interpretation.

And you won't ever catch me within a mile or 10 of any street named MLK.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 11:44 AM
You can't parse sentences to fit your perception.
"I hate people" is entirely different from "I hate people who are cruel" yet you can get the former from the latter.

Not once did I refer to obama's race. His shortcomings are color blind; I would label his behaviors the same if he were white or yellow. If you choose to see some sort of racial undertone in my statement I can't be accountable for your personal interpretation.

And you won't ever catch me within a mile or 10 of any street named MLK.

It's not 'my' perception, it's near universal perception, at least in the US.

So far as I can tell you aren't Valentine Michael Smith. You grew up in a culture where 'uppity boy' and its variants have long been racist in connotation. By using that term, you DID refer to his race.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:48 AM
It's not 'my' perception, it's near universal perception, at least in the US.

So far as I can tell you aren't Valentine Michael Smith. You grew up in a culture where 'uppity boy' and its variants have long been racist in connotation. By using that term, you DID refer to his race.

I don't need you to tell me what unspoken thoughts are in my head. You have neither the capacity nor the right. And I'm not saying that just because I have no idea who Valentine M. Smith is, which I do not.
You are certainly welcome to share your interpretations but don't deign to make them mine.
I'll not be cowed into self-censorship by those who insist on seeing racial issues becasue a black man is the subject in question.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 11:57 AM
I don't need you to tell me what unspoken thoughts are in my head. You have neither the capacity nor the right. And I'm not saying that just because I have no idea who Valentine M. Smith is, which I do not.
You are certainly welcome to share your interpretations but don't deign to make them mine.
I'll not be cowed into self-censorship by those who insist on seeing racial issues becasue a black man is the subject in question.

To insist that you used that phrase without reference to its racial animus leads inexorably to SOLELY 1 of 2 conclusions.

1. You are stupid.
2. You are lying.

Good news, if you aren't lying, you learned something today. Use it again, and we'll have to revisit the lying part or contemplate possible memory problems compounding stupidity.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:02 PM
To insist that you used that phrase without reference to its racial animus leads inexorably to SOLELY 1 of 2 conclusions.

1. You are stupid.
2. You are lying.

Good news, if you aren't lying, you learned something today. Use it again, and we'll have to revisit the lying part or contemplate possible memory problems compounding stupidity.

Kind of an uppity boy aren't you?

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Kind of an uppity boy aren't you?

You're not nearly as clever as you imagine. But feel free to erode all vestiges of charitability and benefit of the doubt that might exist for you around here.

I guess lying AND stupid is a 3rd alternative.

|Zach|
08-12-2011, 12:09 PM
valipass is a racist.
The millionth person calls him out on it.
He expresses faux surprise and outrage.
Pat defends him.

Wash + Rinse + Repeat

King_Chief_Fan
08-12-2011, 12:11 PM
I vote no

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:14 PM
You're not nearly as clever as you imagine. But feel free to erode all vestiges of charitability and benefit of the doubt that might exist for you around here.

I guess lying AND stupid is a 3rd alternative.

DILLIGAF?

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:18 PM
valipass is a racist.
The millionth person calls him out on it.
He expresses faux surprise and outrage.
Pat defends him.

Wash + Rinse + Repeat

Uppity boy says what?

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 12:22 PM
DILLIGAF?

Sure does.

I don't need you to tell me what unspoken thoughts are in my head. You have neither the capacity nor the right[b/]. And I'm not saying that just because I have no idea who Valentine M. Smith is, which I do not.
You are certainly welcome to share your interpretations but [b]don't deign to make them mine.
I'll not be cowed into self-censorship by those who insist on seeing racial issues becasue a black man is the subject in question.

And again, it simple to understand terms, we aren't seeing racial issues solely because the subject is a 1/2 black man. It is because you referring to said man in terms that are firmly established as demeaningly racial in intent when directed at black men.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:23 PM
Sure does.



And again, it simple to understand terms, we aren't seeing racial issues solely because the subject is a 1/2 black man. It is because you referring to said man in terms that are firmly established as demeaningly racial in intent when directed at black men.

LMAO You poor bastard.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 12:24 PM
valipass is a racist.
The millionth person calls him out on it.
He expresses faux surprise and outrage.
Pat defends him.

Wash + Rinse + Repeat

He's trolling. I don't know why it's so hard for seemingly intelligent people to catch on to this.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 12:27 PM
And again, it simple to understand terms, we aren't seeing racial issues solely because the subject is a 1/2 black man. It is because you referring to said man in terms that are firmly established as demeaningly racial in intent when directed at black men.

It's time to fight the urge to respond to what you think of as code words and judge people on the basis of actual racism or lack thereof.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 12:28 PM
He's trolling. I don't know why it's so hard for seemingly intelligent people to catch on to this.

There's trolling, and there's how he's trolling here.

bandwagonjumper
08-12-2011, 12:28 PM
I have no ideas how smart he is but he was smart enough to get elected president which makes him smarter than everybody who post here.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:29 PM
What does a 1/2 black man look like? Is it like one of those two flavored pudding pops? And is it ok of I refer to the first bitch as a sasquatch? Or is that some sort of dual-meaning term from back in the cotton patch?

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 12:30 PM
It's time to fight the urge to respond to what you think of as code words and judge people on the basis of actual racism or lack thereof.

You're not this stupid. Don't be a Sophist.

My bona fides on issues of this nature are pretty well established.

And 'uppity boy' isn't code. It is straightforward malice for black men who assert adulthood and worth.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:31 PM
You're not this stupid. Don't be a Sophist.

My bona fides on issues of this nature are pretty well established.

And 'uppity boy' isn't code. It is straightforward malice for black men who assert adulthood and worth.

LMAO SERIOUS BIDNESS BOY!!!!!!!!

Bump
08-12-2011, 12:32 PM
yeah, he's smart. Too bad he has absolutely zero power. Anything he wants to do to help the people, corporations will come in and pay off congress to do the opposite. It makes no difference who is the president or which party they are, the top 1% are the only people who matter in this country and they will continue to rule it to swell their pockets.

Radar Chief
08-12-2011, 12:38 PM
I can believe VP didn’t know better. Tend to doubt he’s ever dealt with a person of any color that wasn’t serving him something. :Poke:

patteeu
08-12-2011, 12:42 PM
You're not this stupid. Don't be a Sophist.

My bona fides on issues of this nature are pretty well established.

And 'uppity boy' isn't code. It is straightforward malice for black men who assert adulthood and worth.

I can only think of two possibilities here:

1. You are stupid.

2. You are lying.

No, I think that's probably too harsh. The problem might just be a lack of imagination. It's obviously possible to use the phrase "uppity boy" for a black man without any malice based on skin color. One obvious motivation that could fit in this case is a desire to stir up people like KC Native and |Zach| who are always quick to accuse people of racism.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:54 PM
I can believe VP didn’t know better. Tend to doubt he’s ever dealt with a person of any color that wasn’t serving him something. :Poke:

That is unfair and untrue.
I don't have any colored people serving me. Step n fetch don't play in my theatre.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 12:58 PM
I can only think of two possibilities here:

1. You are stupid.

2. You are lying.

No, I think that's probably too harsh. The problem might just be a lack of imagination. It's obviously possible to use the phrase "uppity boy" for a black man without any malice based on skin color. One obvious motivation that could fit in this case is a desire to stir up people like KC Native and |Zach| who are always quick to accuse people of racism.

This is as Sophist an argument as Denise ever tried to foist around here.

'VP says racist stuff, but it's not because he's racist [at least not so expressly so that he actually expresses malice due solely to skin color, because that's the only recognized form of racism]. It's because he's riling up people who don't like reading racist stuff.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 12:59 PM
This is as Sophist an argument as Denise ever tried to foist around here.

'VP says racist stuff, but it's not because he's racist [at least not so expressly so that he actually expresses malice due solely to skin color, because that's the only recognized form of racism]. It's because he's riling up people who don't like reading racist stuff.

Are you this uptight in real life? Good lord man.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 01:04 PM
Are you this uptight in real life? Good lord man.

Excuse me if, after putting in a good deal of time keeping this an open and freewheeling place that gives posters the benefit of the doubt instead of banning everyone who isn't Fraz or Frankie approved, some asshole skips in here and shits on the entire premise.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 01:04 PM
This is as Sophist an argument as Denise ever tried to foist around here.

'VP says racist stuff, but it's not because he's racist [at least not so expressly so that he actually expresses malice due solely to skin color, because that's the only recognized form of racism]. It's because he's riling up people who don't like reading racist stuff.

He's riling up people who see racism even where it doesn't exist.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 01:08 PM
Excuse me if, after putting in a good deal of time keeping this an open and freewheeling place that gives posters the benefit of the doubt instead of banning everyone who isn't Fraz or Frankie approved, some asshole skips in here and shits on the entire premise.

You have personally put in a good deal of time into building the Planet? I didn't realize. What is it you have done?

And I have the singular honor of ruining your good work?

I'm flattered.
You think I'm bad you should meet my friend from Louisianna.

He's a coonass.

Would you like to shorten that sentence so you can portray it in a racist light and clench your buttcheeks up so tight you couldn't pull a needle out of them with a tractor?

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 01:10 PM
He's riling up people who see racism even where it doesn't exist.

In the US, calling a black man an 'uppity boy' is racist.
This is a universal perception, not a hypersensitive assertion.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 01:14 PM
You have personally put in a good deal of time into building the Planet? I didn't realize. What is it you have done?

And I have the singular honor of ruining your good work?

I'm flattered.
You think I'm bad you should meet my friend from Louisianna.

He's a coonass.

Would you like to shorten that sentence so you can portray it in a racist light and clench your buttcheeks up so tight you couldn't pull a needle out of them with a tractor?

You definitely have some memory problems. And didn't say I built the planet, I'm talking about working to keep a tolerant mood around here. That shit gets tossed aside for the Republic of Frankiestan when you pull shit like this.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 01:24 PM
You definitely have some memory problems. And didn't say I built the planet, I'm talking about working to keep a tolerant mood around here. That shit gets tossed aside for the Republic of Frankiestan when you pull shit like this.

Memory problems? What are you talking about?
I'm sure everyone appreciates your self-sacrifice in laboring to maintain tolerance in this harsh and forbidding landscape. A true virtual martyr are you.

Republic of Frankiestan is a good one.

Otter
08-12-2011, 01:36 PM
You definitely have some memory problems. And didn't say I built the planet, I'm talking about working to keep a tolerant mood around here. That shit gets tossed aside for the Republic of Frankiestan when you pull shit like this.

You mean like Shitspayer getting banned for saying "person of Hispanic heritage" but KcNative could come on here call people all kinds of names and fabricate threats made against him and scream and cry "RACIST" and PM the mods every 10 minutes about it? But it's OK because he dances around the rules while flinging poo from a safe distance and slapping this place in the face with it's own rules.

Is that abuse of the system and why aren't you addressing that?

Where's your address towards him? I did a search and didn't find it.

Why wasn't that slime ball piece of shit banned when he wrote for all to see that I threatened his life with a gun?

**** you, and all that support the double standard you not only allow but feed to live on every day because their on the right side of the argument in your eyes.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 01:39 PM
In the US, calling a black man an 'uppity boy' is racist.
This is a universal perception, not a hypersensitive assertion.

I judge people on the content of their character (as best I can ascertain it) not on the color of their skin or the particular words they use. Calling a black man an "uppity boy" can raise a question about that character, but it isn't dispositive, especially when there is plenty of other evidence available to weigh it against. Sorry, I'm not buying into the PC party line on this one. You shouldn't either.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 01:41 PM
You mean like Shitspayer getting banned for saying "person of Hispanic heritage" but KcNative could come on here call people all kinds of names and fabricate threats made against him and scream and cry "RACIST" and PM the mods every 10 minutes about it? But it's OK because he dances around the rules while flinging poo from a safe distance and slapping this place in the face with it's own rules.

Is that abuse of the system and why aren't you addressing that?

Where's your address towards him? I did a search and didn't find it.

Why wasn't that slime ball piece of shit banned when he wrote for all to see that I threatened his life with a gun?

**** you, and all that support the double standard you not only allow but feed to live on every day because their on the right side of the argument in your eyes.

You've got some good points to make about double standards here, but in fairness, I think Baby Lee is generally on the right side of these issues.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 01:47 PM
I judge people on the content of their character (as best I can ascertain it) not on the color of their skin or the particular words they use. Calling a black man an "uppity boy" can raise a question about that character, but it isn't dispositive, especially when there is plenty of other evidence available to weigh it against. Sorry, I'm not buying into the PC party line on this one. You shouldn't either.

Take a little flip cam, go talk to ANY black man you want. Doesn't have to a stranger, but it can't be someone you conspire with or pay ahead of time. Call him an uppity boy and post the reaction here.

You've gotta see that this shits on the tolerance you afford VP.

Maybe you'll see when he weasels through this and next month he ups it to calling Obama a nigra. Hey, it's not technically THAT word, and I think I saw some article where it's a term of endearment.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 01:48 PM
You've got some good points to make about double standards here, but in fairness, I think Baby Lee is generally on the right side of these issues.

I'm on the right side of every issue. My side.

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 01:58 PM
Baby Lee is as fair and consistent and straight-shooting as they come here in D.C. When he's telling you that you're in the wrong it should behoove you to give it some consideration.

I figured Failpass was trolling because of how completely unbelievable it is that someone would not know of the universally recognized racial charge that 'uppity and 'boy' have. VP is playing ignorant about this but I have such a hard time believing it. Patteeu, you're somehow trying to make it out like the racial dimension to those words is somewhat obscure. That is not the most credible of defenses, man.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 02:00 PM
Take a little flip cam, go talk to ANY black man you want. Doesn't have to a stranger, but it can't be someone you conspire with or pay ahead of time. Call him an uppity boy and post the reaction here.

You've gotta see that this shits on the tolerance you afford VP.

Maybe you'll see when he weasels through this and next month he ups it to calling Obama a nigra. Hey, it's not technically THAT word, and I think I saw some article where it's a term of endearment.

Being right doesn't always mean that every black man on the street is going to agree with me.

I'm on the right side of every issue. My side.

LMAO I feel you.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 02:04 PM
Baby Lee is as fair and consistent and straight-shooting as they come here in D.C. When he's telling you that you're in the wrong it should behoove you to give it some consideration.

I figured Failpass was trolling because of how completely unbelievable it is that someone would not know of the universally recognized racial charge that 'uppity and 'boy' have. VP is playing ignorant about this but I have such a hard time believing it. Patteeu, you're somehow trying to make it out like the racial dimension to those words is somewhat obscure. That is not the most credible of defenses, man.

I don't believe I've tried to make it out like that at all.

Like you, I see trolling and I'm skeptical about whether vailpass is completely oblivious to how his choice of words would be received by the usual suspects. Perhaps unlike you, I don't think vailpass has any racially motivated malice toward the POTUS or anyone else.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 02:11 PM
Being right doesn't always mean that every black man on the street is going to agree with me.

What you are claiming to be right about;

Calling a black man an "uppity boy" can raise a question about that character, but it isn't dispositive, especially when there is plenty of other evidence available to weigh it against.

And I posit that it IS dispositive, and you've presented no evidence to weigh against it.

Uppity and Boy were thoughtfully and purposefully chosen [by the culture, not necessarily VP specifically] to remind black men of their place. They're not as good as white folk and they aren't men, so they shouldn't harbor thoughts of being treated as adults or equals. And the intent behind those terms in that situation has thoroughly permeated the culture.

It's no different than Billy Batts telling Tommy Devito to go get his shine box.

BucEyedPea
08-12-2011, 02:19 PM
yeah, he's smart. Too bad he has absolutely zero power. Anything he wants to do to help the people, corporations will come in and pay off congress to do the opposite.

May I ask where the Constitution authorizes a president to "help" people? If that was his goal he should try running a charity or the Salvation Army, or some other services — say becoming a doctor or a nurse. Jobs and Gates have done more to serve mankind. Even a restaurant owner does more to help people than someone's who main job is to defend the nation and meet foreign diplomats and leaders.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 02:20 PM
Take a little flip cam, go talk to ANY black man you want. Doesn't have to a stranger, but it can't be someone you conspire with or pay ahead of time. Call him an uppity boy and post the reaction here.

You've gotta see that this shits on the tolerance you afford VP.

Maybe you'll see when he weasels through this and next month he ups it to calling Obama a nigra. Hey, it's not technically THAT word, and I think I saw some article where it's a term of endearment.

Kind of niggardly with your praise aren't you?

patteeu
08-12-2011, 02:57 PM
What you are claiming to be right about;



And I posit that it IS dispositive, and you've presented no evidence to weigh against it.

Uppity and Boy were thoughtfully and purposefully chosen [by the culture, not necessarily VP specifically] to remind black men of their place. They're not as good as white folk and they aren't men, so they shouldn't harbor thoughts of being treated as adults or equals. And the intent behind those terms in that situation has thoroughly permeated the culture.

It's no different than Billy Batts telling Tommy Devito to go get his shine box.

It's very simple to prove that it's not dispositive.

Barack Obama and Anthony Weiner are both uppity boys.

I typed that without a thought of racism in my mind. If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

Otter
08-12-2011, 03:16 PM
I can only think of two possibilities here:

1. You are stupid.

2. You are lying.

No, I think that's probably too harsh. The problem might just be a lack of imagination. It's obviously possible to use the phrase "uppity boy" for a black man without any malice based on skin color. One obvious motivation that could fit in this case is a desire to stir up people like KC Native and |Zach| who are always quick to accuse people of racism.

Ha, for the record I didn't even see this post before I made mine.

Yeah, double standard bullshit by cry babies hypocrites.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 03:19 PM
Ha, for the record I didn't even see this post before I made mine.

Yeah, double standard bullshit by cry babies. Go Fuck a U Self u PC pussies.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Otter
08-12-2011, 03:24 PM
You have no idea what you're talking about.

I just think you're being a hypocrite for not pointing out the other side of the situation because it fits your agenda a little better. So with no smack talk, that's what I think.

Still don't know what I'm talking about?

vailpass
08-12-2011, 03:26 PM
How's everything here at Tolerance Planet? We all complying with the affirmative actions standards that some here have worked so long and hard to establish?
Cracka' ass cracka's.

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 03:29 PM
SHT is reading this thread and going though a whole box of Kleenex.

Otter
08-12-2011, 03:30 PM
How's everything here at Tolerance Planet? We all complying with the affirmative actions standards that some here have worked so long and hard to establish?
Cracka' ass cracka's.

Baby Lee!!! He said Cracker!!!

Save me my big strong knight in shining armor!!! I'm being oppressed!!!

Otter
08-12-2011, 03:33 PM
SHT is reading this thread and going though a whole box of Kleenex.

Maybe we can bump the murdered black cross dresser thread that could do no wrong for no other reason that he was a black cross dresser for you to help you go thru that box faster.

J Diddy
08-12-2011, 03:34 PM
To answer your question, yes, Obama is smart. It is quite humorous, though, because now matter which side wins the other side will tear down the victor, without fail. I have participated in the past and will participate in the future.

In short, there's nothing to see here. It's been done before.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 03:43 PM
I just think you're being a hypocrite for not pointing out the other side of the situation because it fits your agenda a little better. So with no smack talk, that's what I think.

Still don't know what I'm talking about?

OK Einstein. What's my agenda? Maybe some links to establish your case.

In case you're stupid enough to not realize by now. I've LOOOOOONG been a guy to give people the benefit of the doubt on 'PC' infractions, and actively weighed in on why that's a good stance to have. I'm even one of the very very few who would like all topics in one forum so that ALL topics are discussed by a wider group of people on here.

But when VP finally goes from skirting the edges to making outright, unambiguous, racist posts, I get a little pissed that he shits all over the mood of goodwill and 'live and let live' I've championed, against very opposed factions.

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 03:48 PM
OK Einstein. What's my agenda? Maybe some links to establish your case.

In case you're stupid enough to not realize by now. I've LOOOOOONG been a guy to give people the benefit of the doubt on 'PC' infractions, and actively weighed in on why that's a good stance to have. I'm even one of the very very few who would like all topics in one forum so that ALL topics are discussed by a wider group of people on here.

But when VP finally goes from skirting the edges to making outright, unambiguous, racist posts, I get a little pissed that he shits all over the mood of goodwill and 'live and let live' I've championed, against very opposed factions.
Good point. VP usually just makes racially insensitive jokes all the time. Whether one thought he believed the message of them or not, they were clearly used in the construction of jokes. Straight up calling Obama an uppity boy is not a joke.

Stewie
08-12-2011, 03:51 PM
I've made money betting against Obama's intelligence. The funny thing is he still thinks he has it all figured out. In reality, he's listening to the exact people that want to bury him.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 03:54 PM
Good point. VP usually just makes racially insensitive jokes all the time. Whether one thought he believed the message of them or not, they were clearly used in the construction of jokes. Straight up calling Obama an uppity boy is not a joke.

LMAO Punk ass cracker.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 03:55 PM
You mean like Shitspayer getting banned for saying "person of Hispanic heritage" but KcNative could come on here call people all kinds of names and fabricate threats made against him and scream and cry "RACIST" and PM the mods every 10 minutes about it? But it's OK because he dances around the rules while flinging poo from a safe distance and slapping this place in the face with it's own rules.

Is that abuse of the system and why aren't you addressing that?

Where's your address towards him? I did a search and didn't find it.

Why wasn't that slime ball piece of shit banned when he wrote for all to see that I threatened his life with a gun?

**** you, and all that support the double standard you not only allow but feed to live on every day because their on the right side of the argument in your eyes.

1. Sht is one of the guys I've weighed in on [if you had an ounce of FUCKING awareness], and at this point his status as 'repeat ban' makes the work harder with every passing day.

2. Native is one of the guys I've clashed with, numerous times [if you had an ounce of FUCKING awareness].

3. Complaining that others are racist is not the same as actually being racist.

4. OK, you got me. I utterly failed to review Native's PRIVATE MESSAGES to Mods and weigh in on their content. I will attempt to ameliorate by bolstering my (absolutely non-existent] hacking skills and breaking in to mod accounts, thereby endangering my own existence on CP.

Otter
08-12-2011, 04:35 PM
1. Sht is one of the guys I've weighed in on [if you had an ounce of ****ING awareness], and at this point his status as 'repeat ban' makes the work harder with every passing day.

2. Native is one of the guys I've clashed with, numerous times [if you had an ounce of ****ING awareness].

3. Complaining that others are racist is not the same as actually being racist.

4. OK, you got me. I utterly failed to review Native's PRIVATE MESSAGES to Mods and weigh in on their content. I will attempt to ameliorate by bolstering my (absolutely non-existent] hacking skills and breaking in to mod accounts, thereby endangering my own existence on CP.

I've never seen you once clash with KcNative on the many, many, many times he's been here race baiting and skirting on the edge of the rules just enough to stay in line so he doesn't get banned so no, I'm not aware of you ever addressing that side of the equation. If you have, I apologize.

When I read "uppity boy" it honestly never crossed my mind as racist. If you call a black guy a "frat boy" is that racist? No one ever explained these rules to me.

Again, my beef you was going after VP while (in error presumably) failing to address the other side (being the troll KCN) when that goes on rampantly every times he logs on almost. He basically shits on this community in front of everyone.

"uppity boy", really?

I"m beginning my weekend and I'll gladly revisit on Monday if you like. Hope you enjoy yours.

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 04:41 PM
When I read "uppity boy" it honestly never crossed my mind as racist. If you call a black guy a "frat boy" is that racist? No one ever explained these rules to me.


It isn't just the phrase "uppity boy" that is so racist that I don't even believe you right now when you say that you don't know its racial context. Both 'uppity' and 'boy' are epithets, independent of each other. Go up to any black man in this country, from project housing to a politician's office, and call that man EITHER uppity or a boy. You will realize to your chagrin that Baby Lee and I aren't just making this up.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 04:45 PM
It isn't just the phrase "uppity boy" that is so racist that I don't even believe you right now when you say that you don't know its racial context. Both 'uppity' and 'boy' are epithets, independent of each other. Go up to any black man in this country, from project housing to a politician's office, and call that man EITHER uppity or a boy. You will realize to your chagrin that Baby Lee and I aren't just making this up.

:eek: Shits gettin' all serious up in here. Some would say downright spooky. Looks like the jig is up, Reaper isn't going to monkey around.

Otter
08-12-2011, 04:55 PM
It isn't just the phrase "uppity boy" that is so racist that I don't even believe you right now when you say that you don't know its racial context. Both 'uppity' and 'boy' are epithets, independent of each other. Go up to any black man in this country, from project housing to a politician's office, and call that man EITHER uppity or a boy. You will realize to your chagrin that Baby Lee and I aren't just making this up.

You're the guy who couldn't believe I was being completely honest with no ill intent but a no biased perspective in the dragging cross dresser thread. I was. You're opinion means very little to me if anything.

And please don't treat me like the only people I deal with every day are white people that also don't deal with other races. You have no idea of my circle or who my friends are and I'll avoid explaining them because you'll think I'm being ingeniousness anyway.

You're a hypocrite who looks for a reason, any reason, to beat the PC drum at any opportunity for what I guess is something missing in your life.

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 05:23 PM
:eek: Shits gettin' all serious up in here. Some would say downright spooky. Looks like the jig is up, Reaper isn't going to monkey around.
You missed a few terms.

You're the guy who couldn't believe I was being completely honest with no ill intent but a no biased perspective in the dragging cross dresser thread. I was. You're opinion means very little to me if anything.

And please don't treat me like the only people I deal with every day are white people that also don't deal with other races. You have no idea of my circle or who my friends are and I'll avoid explaining them because you'll think I'm being ingeniousness anyway.

You're a hypocrite who looks for a reason, any reason, to beat the PC drum at any opportunity for what I guess is something missing in your life.
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KCTitus
08-12-2011, 08:45 PM
Smart? He has to be...at the very least he's a great speaker. I think he's very good at setting up straw men and knocking them down with his rhetoric. Heck, he got elected using two words, Hope and Change.

He governs strictly from his philosophy as he has written in Dreams of My Father, and hasnt deviated at any point. I think he's very smart.

I mean if a person wanted to be elected President with the goal of destroying the country, what would they do different than what has been done to date?

HonestChieffan
08-12-2011, 08:52 PM
Rich as hell and never been a success at anything he ever did. Smart? No, affirmative action.

VAChief
08-12-2011, 09:06 PM
Rich as hell and never been a success at anything he ever did. Smart? No, affirmative action.

I thought we were supposed to be done talking about W.

Jenson71
08-12-2011, 09:24 PM
You're the guy who couldn't believe I was being completely honest with no ill intent but a no biased perspective in the dragging cross dresser thread. I was. You're opinion means very little to me if anything.

And please don't treat me like the only people I deal with every day are white people that also don't deal with other races. You have no idea of my circle or who my friends are and I'll avoid explaining them because you'll think I'm being ingeniousness anyway.

You're a hypocrite who looks for a reason, any reason, to beat the PC drum at any opportunity for what I guess is something missing in your life.

That thread was your classic low-life piece of shit moment. A decent person would do everything to erase that image.

And vailpass's low-life piece of shit moment are not the suggestively racial provocations that shit eating mouth grins for, but the way he ran to the moderators, asking for my ban, when I bypassed the filter for the word "n_____", because he didn't want visitors to this site to be . . . wait for, offended by racially derogative words.

When confronted with people like Otter and vailpass, you can only get so far in trying to teach them in a forum like this. They don't want to be taught anything. They think they know everything already. It's like teaching Dave Lane that some religious people actually have thought open-mindedly on the existence of God.

Just put them down. Don't spend too much effort on it. That's what they thrive on. Just put them down and know that you, the person who stands up against racism or against the murder of a cross-dressing homosexual, is right, whether it is popular or not, funny or not, cool or not.

It's something that vailpass, who sends his kids to Catholic schools in order to be taught to act in a way that is defiantly at odds with how he so pathetically acts on this board, has apparently no interest in. And hopefully that education is leading those kids to a pasture far from the tree. I would expect so. I would hope so. And every person I ever respected from the Catholic schools that has taught me so much how to be a good person, would hope so too.

If I ever found out that my adult father spent his time amusing himself by making the comments that vailpass does, I'd be disgusted and disappointed, in the same way as if I found him looking at child pornography.

VAChief
08-12-2011, 09:46 PM
That thread was your classic low-life piece of shit moment. A decent person would do everything to erase that image.

And vailpass's low-life piece of shit moment are not the suggestively racial provocations that shit eating mouth grins for, but the way he ran to the moderators, asking for my ban, when I bypassed the filter for the word "n_____", because he didn't want visitors to this site to be . . . wait for, offended by racially derogative words.

When confronted with people like Otter and vailpass, you can only get so far in trying to teach them in a forum like this. They don't want to be taught anything. They think they know everything already. It's like teaching Dave Lane that some religious people actually have thought open-mindedly on the existence of God.

Just put them down. Don't spend too much effort on it. That's what they thrive on. Just put them down and know that you, the person who stands up against racism or against the murder of a cross-dressing homosexual, is right, whether it is popular or not, funny or not, cool or not.

It's something that vailpass, who sends his kids to Catholic schools in order to be taught to act in a way that is defiantly at odds with how he so pathetically acts on this board, has apparently no interest in. And hopefully that education is leading those kids to a pasture far from the tree. I would expect so. I would hope so. And every person I ever respected from the Catholic schools that has taught me so much how to be a good person, would hope so too.

If I ever found out that my adult father spent his time amusing himself by making the comments that vailpass does, I'd be disgusted and disappointed, in the same way as if I found him looking at child pornography.

There are those that think any criticism of President Obama is racist...and there are those that use that faulty point of view as justification for the sad, pathetic drivel they spew as PC gone amok.

Jaric
08-12-2011, 10:03 PM
:eek: Shits gettin' all serious up in here. Some would say downright spooky. Looks like the jig is up, Reaper isn't going to monkey around.

And what's THAT supposed to mean???

:shake:

Jaric
08-12-2011, 10:05 PM
Also, the butthurt is strong in this thread.

T-post Tom
08-13-2011, 12:21 AM
WSJ: The Stupid President Is Stupid

August 09, 2011 10:56 am ET by Simon Maloy


Bret Stephens of The Wall Street Journal is a smart guy. At least, I assume he is. After all, only someone with extreme confidence in his intellectual capability would make this the thesis sentence of a print op-ed:


I just think the president isn't very bright.


Yep. Stephens inked an entire column on how President Obama is stupid, and he brought horrible analogies to bear in supporting his argument:


The aircraft was large, modern and considered among the world's safest. But that night it was flying straight into a huge thunderstorm. Turbulence was extreme, and airspeed indicators may not have been functioning properly. Worse, the pilots were incompetent. As the plane threatened to stall they panicked by pointing the nose up, losing speed when they ought to have done the opposite. It was all over in minutes.

Was this the fate of Flight 447, the Air France jet that plunged mysteriously into the Atlantic a couple of years ago? Could be. What I'm talking about here is the Obama presidency.

Yeah! Those dead pilots were total morons, too!

Anyway, Stephens' evidence that the president is not intelligent is that Obama says and does things with which Stephens disagrees. And, since Stephens already demonstrated that he's among the brighter bulbs in the box, ipso facto, President Jughead:


Then there is Mr. Obama as political tactician. He makes predictions that prove false. He makes promises he cannot honor. He raises expectations he cannot meet. He reneges on commitments made in private. He surrenders positions staked in public. He is absent from issues in which he has a duty to be involved. He is overbearing when he ought to be absent. At the height of the financial panic of 1907, Teddy Roosevelt, who had done much to bring the panic about by inveighing against big business, at least had the good sense to stick to his bear hunt and let J.P. Morgan sort things out. Not so this president, who puts a new twist on an old put-down: Every time he opens his mouth, he subtracts from the sum total of financial capital.

Then there's his habit of never trimming his sails, much less tacking to the prevailing wind. When Bill Clinton got hammered on health care, he reverted to centrist course and passed welfare reform. When it looked like the Iraq war was going to be lost, George Bush fired Don Rumsfeld and ordered the surge.

Mr. Obama, by contrast, appears to consider himself immune from error. Perhaps this explains why he has now doubled down on Heckuva Job Geithner. It also explains his insulting and politically inept habit of suggesting--whether the issue is health care, or Arab-Israeli peace, or change we can believe in at some point in God's good time--that the fault always lies in the failure of his audiences to listen attentively. It doesn't. In politics, a failure of communication is always the fault of the communicator.

If Obama had done everything Stephens' wanted him to do, that would have been smart. It may not seem convincing to you, but, again, you forget how bright Bret Stephens is. After all, he name-dropped Socrates, Aristotle, Plutarch, and Forrest Gump in repackaging many-years stale right-wing talking points and condensing them into one hackish exercise in sophistry.

That takes real smarts. The kind you don't get at President School.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44123547/ns/us_news-environment/

Reaper16
08-13-2011, 12:55 AM
And what's THAT supposed to mean???

:shake:
You forgot to bold spook and monkey in Failpass' post.

patteeu
08-13-2011, 06:19 AM
I think Obama was probably smart to redact most of his life from public view.

suzzer99
08-13-2011, 02:44 PM
Did you forget the 7 and a half years prior to his election where the entire country questioned Bush's intelligence?

Stop trying to make everything about race.

GWB defines the word "sovereign".

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suzzer99
08-13-2011, 02:46 PM
I judge people on the content of their character (as best I can ascertain it) not on the color of their skin or the particular words they use. Calling a black man an "uppity boy" can raise a question about that character, but it isn't dispositive, especially when there is plenty of other evidence available to weigh it against. Sorry, I'm not buying into the PC party line on this one. You shouldn't either.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this forum. You are either completely out of it or just like to pick a side and debate it - the more ridiculous the proposition the more fun the challenge for you to try to come up with some justifiable-sounding argument (my guess is the latter).

vailpass
08-13-2011, 04:56 PM
That thread was your classic low-life piece of shit moment. A decent person would do everything to erase that image.

And vailpass's low-life piece of shit moment are not the suggestively racial provocations that shit eating mouth grins for, but the way he ran to the moderators, asking for my ban, when I bypassed the filter for the word "n_____", because he didn't want visitors to this site to be . . . wait for, offended by racially derogative words.

When confronted with people like Otter and vailpass, you can only get so far in trying to teach them in a forum like this. They don't want to be taught anything. They think they know everything already. It's like teaching Dave Lane that some religious people actually have thought open-mindedly on the existence of God.

Just put them down. Don't spend too much effort on it. That's what they thrive on. Just put them down and know that you, the person who stands up against racism or against the murder of a cross-dressing homosexual, is right, whether it is popular or not, funny or not, cool or not.

It's something that vailpass, who sends his kids to Catholic schools in order to be taught to act in a way that is defiantly at odds with how he so pathetically acts on this board, has apparently no interest in. And hopefully that education is leading those kids to a pasture far from the tree. I would expect so. I would hope so. And every person I ever respected from the Catholic schools that has taught me so much how to be a good person, would hope so too.

If I ever found out that my adult father spent his time amusing himself by making the comments that vailpass does, I'd be disgusted and disappointed, in the same way as if I found him looking at child pornography.

LMAO

patteeu
08-13-2011, 07:04 PM
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on this forum.

That may be, but you're pretty new here and you've missed a lot of posts from Mr. Kotter, Frankie, and Dottefan. Sorry Frankie, you know I love you like a brother, albeit a brother who has a hard time loving America. :Poke:

Aries Walker
08-13-2011, 08:21 PM
Soooo . . . going all the way back to page one,
But he's obviously intelligent in some capacity. You don't forest gump your way into the POTUS.
. . . usually. Andrew Johnson did.

As for Obama, like him or hate him, if nothing else, he was the president of the Harvard Law Review, graduated magna cum laude, and was a law professor for more than ten years. That's a pretty good indication that he's above the average.

J Diddy
08-13-2011, 10:16 PM
That may be, but you're pretty new here and you've missed a lot of posts from Mr. Kotter, Frankie, and Dottefan. Sorry Frankie, you know I love you like a brother, albeit a brother who has a hard time loving America. :Poke:

I bet your blood pressure is just through the roof.

patteeu
08-14-2011, 07:36 AM
I bet your blood pressure is just through the roof.

Oh yeah suzzer99, I forgot to mention MotherLover. You can find his contending posts under the name J Diddy.

J Diddy
08-14-2011, 07:53 AM
Oh yeah suzzer99, I forgot to mention MotherLover. You can find his contending posts under the name J Diddy.


Awwww, thanks. Patty-poo, thought you didn't care.