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RINGLEADER
08-10-2011, 06:58 PM
Touch couple of months since Osama bought the farm...

Average of all the polls over at RCP now who him upside down by 8 points...

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 07:23 PM
You know what's even more sad? Not a single Republican, currently declared, would beat him in 2012.

And it wouldn't be very close even.

petegz28
08-10-2011, 07:28 PM
You know what's even more sad? Not a single Republican, currently declared, would beat him in 2012.

And it wouldn't be very close even.

meh, I have seen polls saying they would and they won't. We will see once someone gets the nomination and how the economy is come election time.

That being said, Obama is lower now than Bush ever was in his first term.

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 07:33 PM
...

That being said, Obama is lower now than Bush ever was in his first term.

Wow. National "unity" following 9/11 had nothing to do with that, right? That said, the tea party is dangerously close to bringing about some "unity" that could be dangerous to them in 2012. Heh.

You and many others better get used to a second term for Obama, barring something completely out-of-the-blue....or a real game changer. And while 15 months in politics is an eternity, neither of those are "likely" at this point.

Calcountry
08-10-2011, 07:35 PM
Wow. National "unity" following 9/11 had nothing to do with that, right? That said, the tea party is dangerously close to bringing about some "unity" that could be dangerous to them in 2012. Heh.

You and many others better get used to a second term for Obama, barring something completely out-of-the-blue....or a real game changer. And while 15 months in politics is an eternity, neither of those are "likely" at this point.Are you saying we had get used to kissing the kings ring?

petegz28
08-10-2011, 07:36 PM
Wow. National "unity" following 9/11 had nothing to do with that, right? That said, the tea party is dangerously close to bringing about some "unity" that could be dangerous to them in 2012. Heh.

You and many others better get used to a second term for Obama, barring something completely out-of-the-blue....or a real game changer. And while 15 months in politics is an eternity, neither of those are "likely" at this point.

Spare me the excuses, Kotter. It is what it is.

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 07:37 PM
Spare me the excuses, Kotter. It is what it is.

Uh-huh. 2012 elections will be what they will be too. Heh. :)

petegz28
08-10-2011, 07:42 PM
Uh-huh. 2012 elections will be what they will be too. Heh. :)

Dude, you're kinda not right in the head.

Saul Good
08-10-2011, 07:54 PM
Wow. National "unity" following 9/11 had nothing to do with that, right? That said, the tea party is dangerously close to bringing about some "unity" that could be dangerous to them in 2012. Heh.

You and many others better get used to a second term for Obama, barring something completely out-of-the-blue....or a real game changer. And while 15 months in politics is an eternity, neither of those are "likely" at this point.

They really learned a lesson in Wisconsin, right?

BucEyedPea
08-10-2011, 08:14 PM
Kotter, if that poll is correct about most wanting tax increases on the rich and deep spending cuts too...it sounds to me most are fed up with both parties.

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 08:29 PM
They really learned a lesson in Wisconsin, right?

Just watch. They keep diggin' the hole deeper and deeper; they are digging their own graves.

Works for me. :)

Kotter, if that poll is correct about most wanting tax increases on the rich and deep spending cuts too...it sounds to me most are fed up with both parties.

A clear majority want major deep cuts and serious reforms. Most, me included, expect modest tax increases for everyone--but especially for those who've had a free ride at the top over the last 15 years or so. However, the "tea party" is fighting the tax increases to the death; and it's their hill to die on, it seems.

KCTitus
08-10-2011, 08:42 PM
A clear majority want major deep cuts and serious reforms. Most, me included, expect modest tax increases for everyone--but especially for those who've had a free ride at the top over the last 15 years or so. However, the "tea party" is fighting the tax increases to the death; and it's their hill to die on, it seems.

I dont follow that, explain....

BucEyedPea
08-10-2011, 08:44 PM
A clear majority want major deep cuts and serious reforms. Most, me included, expect modest tax increases for everyone--but especially for those who've had a free ride at the top over the last 15 years or so. However, the "tea party" is fighting the tax increases to the death; and it's their hill to die on, it seems.
Those getting a free-ride are at the bottom.

I don't understand all the concern, or even the blame on the Tea Party ( not saying you on this here) when they are a small minority though.

HonestChieffan
08-10-2011, 08:47 PM
Interesting quote from this story....http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/10/us-usa-poll-idUSTRE7794EX20110810?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews&rpc=23&sp=true

The poll found 73 percent of Americans believe the United States is “off on the wrong track,” and just one in five, 21 percent, think the country is headed in the right direction.

And regarding the evil Tea Party....Poll: By 42% To 34% Margin Americans Say Tea Party Can Do Better Job Than Congress…

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/voters_still_express_more_confidence_in_tea_party_than_in_congress

RJ
08-10-2011, 08:53 PM
Congress has a 14% approval rating. I'm just curious who the 14% are.

BucEyedPea
08-10-2011, 09:23 PM
Congress has a 14% approval rating. I'm just curious who the 14% are.

I thought it was more like 23%. Where'd you get that?

Could it be that minority called the Tea Party?

petegz28
08-10-2011, 09:42 PM
Just watch. They keep diggin' the hole deeper and deeper; they are digging their own graves.

Works for me. :)



A clear majority want major deep cuts and serious reforms. Most, me included, expect modest tax increases for everyone--but especially for those who've had a free ride at the top over the last 15 years or so. However, the "tea party" is fighting the tax increases to the death; and it's their hill to die on, it seems.

What "free ride"? I'll lay money that those you claim to be getting a free ride pay more in tax than you do.

Taco John
08-10-2011, 10:06 PM
I'll never understand why people argue with Kotter as though he's got legitimate takes. The guy voted for Bush twice, and will end up voting for Obama twice. He's a political hermaphrodite. It's amusing watching him **** himself everytime he hops in here, but to have a serious political discussion with him? He's not equipped for that. It's impossible so why try.

petegz28
08-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Uh-huh. 2012 elections will be what they will be too. Heh. :)

On his nightly television show, liberal host Bill Maher dismissed Mr Obama as a Republican, and asked his panel if Mrs Clinton would have made a better president.

"Yes," replied astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, an African American astrophysicist and broadcaster, adding that the Secretary of State would have been "a more effective negotiator in the halls of Congress".

An article in the New York Times by Drew Westen, a professor of psychology at Emory University and a specialist in political messaging, summarised the dismay at Mr Obama's performance and was rapidly circulated online by liberals.

"Those of us who were bewitched by his eloquence on the campaign trail chose to ignore some disquieting aspects of his biography: that he had accomplished very little before he ran for president," he wrote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8692054/Democrats-doubt-Barack-Obamas-reelection-chances.html


I'd say some on the Left are finally starting to realize what many of us have said all along

headsnap
08-10-2011, 10:08 PM
I'll never understand why people argue with Kotter as though he's got legitimate takes. The guy voted for Bush twice, and will end up voting for Obama twice. He's a political hermaphrodite. The only amusement the guy gives is watching him **** himself everytime he hops in here.

Political Gilligan... agrees with whoever is in charge. ;)

RJ
08-10-2011, 10:29 PM
I thought it was more like 23%. Where'd you get that?

Could it be that minority called the Tea Party?


I saw 14% several times but WTF, let's give 'em 23. I'm a charitable guy.

I have no idea who the minority is. Perhaps folks who are without up to date news sources.

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 10:43 PM
I'll never understand why people argue with Kotter as though he's got legitimate takes. The guy voted for Bush twice, and will end up voting for Obama twice. He's a political hermaphrodite. It's amusing watching him **** himself everytime he hops in here, but to have a serious political discussion with him? He's not equipped for that. It's impossible so why try.

Okay, "Mr. The Government duped us on 9/11!!!"-Ron Paul-groupie. LMAO

I'd say you're the one whose "lost his burst"--but it's not like you ever had any.

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 10:58 PM
I dont follow that, explain....

A moderate majority understand that deep cuts and reform (entitlements, taxes, military, etc) are necessary. That same majority understand that modest tax increases are also going to be necessary--for nearly everyone, including finally ending the Bush tax cuts.

On the other hand, political discourse is dominated by the lunatic fringe on both the left and the right--because it makes for good ratings, and theater. The radical left wish to continue to spend like drunken sailors, yet are far too generous with allowing the working class and middle class off the hook when it comes to taxes. The radical right insist on extending historically low tax rates, while simultaneously employing a slash-and-burn approach to Draconian cuts in legitimate (and popular) government programs.

True fiscal conservatives and responsible liberals understand you can't balance the ledger by only focusing on one side. Unfortunately, their voices are drowned out by spineless leadership from both parties, and the cacophony of demagoguery and outrage--seen once again, during the recent rancor and disingenuous "debate" over raising the debt ceiling.

Taco John
08-10-2011, 11:04 PM
Okay, "Mr. The Government duped us on 9/11!!!"-Ron Paul-groupie. LMAO

I'd say you're the one whose "lost his burst"--but it's not like you ever had any.

No skin off my back. At least people here know that what I believed in yesterday is the same stuff that I believe in today.

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 11:14 PM
Political Gilligan... agrees with whoever is in charge. ;)

Basic respect for our republic should mean that we accept the verdict of the people. It doesn't mean we can't disagree, challenge, or question. However, when political discourse is reduced to vindictive, nasty, vile drivel, made worse by reckless disregard for truth and is centered on personal attacks rather than substance, we should not be surprised, I guess. It should also not be surprising that politics becomes as polarized. Unfortunately, I don't see it changing any time soon, though I'd love to be wrong.

One might reasonably expect an Internet bulletin board to devolve into this state; however, I do find it is surprising and disappointing when political parties seem to think it's an acceptable way to behave.

Mr. Kotter
08-10-2011, 11:24 PM
No skin off my back. At least people here know that what I believed in yesterday is the same stuff that I believe in today.

Yeah, it's not like this country has ever found compromise, consensus, and working for the common good to be worthwhile. After all, we are a country built on the backs of wild-eyed passionate ideological zealots whose undying devotion to dogmatic ideals are solely responsible for the rich history of our great nation.

Yeah, we have always underestimated the contributions of guys like Thaddeus Stevens, John C. Calhoun, John Brown, Nathan Bedford Forest, John Birch, William Jennings Bryan, Malcom X (pre-pilgrimage,) Hanoi Jane, Jerry Falwell, Ted Kaczynski, Timothy McVeigh...and Ron Paul, and Taco John!

Yes, long live the history of true-believers, for it is no their backs that this great nation was built.

LMAO

HonestChieffan
08-10-2011, 11:39 PM
Idealogical zealots....in your learned opinion, would you include in that the leaders and patriots who fought a revolution to form this country? They didn't compromise nor bend their ideals. What about Lincoln who led the country through the Civil was with unwavering commitment to his ideal of preserving the union. Idealogical zealot? FDR was committed to winning the War with Germany with a firm "Unconditional surrender"...idealogical zealot?

We do have quite a list of very influential people who did not yield to pressure and stood on principal and successfully convinced others to a position rather than compromise and stand for little. There is a time and a place to compromise but to assert that individuals who wont, don't or didn't compromise are the likes of McVeigh, Manson, and a founder of the KKK is absurd.

What do you see that John C Calhoun and Charles Manson hold in common?

RINGLEADER
08-11-2011, 01:26 AM
You know what's even more sad? Not a single Republican, currently declared, would beat him in 2012.

And it wouldn't be very close even.

Yep, I agree that the GOP not being able to field a contender against this guy is sad -- although I doubt they'd do much better (though I'm eager to be proven wrong)...

RINGLEADER
08-11-2011, 01:30 AM
Just watch. They keep diggin' the hole deeper and deeper; they are digging their own graves.

Works for me. :)

A clear majority want major deep cuts and serious reforms. Most, me included, expect modest tax increases for everyone--but especially for those who've had a free ride at the top over the last 15 years or so. However, the "tea party" is fighting the tax increases to the death; and it's their hill to die on, it seems.

I'm not as angry at success than you seem to be -- but I'd welcome a national sales tax provided we froze spending and paid down debt with the surplus. Just raising income taxes on everyone to achieve "fairness" (as Obama has advocated) is just stupid. The goal should be higher revenues, not higher tax rates per se.

Taco John
08-11-2011, 02:50 AM
After all, we are a country built on the backs of wild-eyed passionate ideological zealots whose undying devotion to dogmatic ideals are solely responsible for the rich history of our great nation.


Agreed. God Bless the Sons of Liberty. Without their backbone, we wouldn't have a country for people like you who are without one.

mlyonsd
08-11-2011, 07:30 AM
The poll found 73 percent of Americans believe the United States is “off on the wrong track,” and just one in five, 21 percent, think the country is headed in the right direction.


I want to know who these 21% are. What can they possibly be looking at to think the country is headed in the right direction unless their goal is that it be destroyed.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 08:51 AM
I want to know who these 21% are. What can they possibly be looking at to think the country is headed in the right direction unless their goal is that it be destroyed.

George Soros had GOT to be one.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 09:09 AM
Dude, you're kinda not right in the head.

If I did a shot every time Kotter said something ridiculous, I'd be drunk most of the time I was on ChiefsPlanet too.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 09:11 AM
Those getting a free-ride are at the bottom.

http://rlv.zcache.com/i_approved_this_message_tshirt-p235259609044620591qw9u_400.jpg

Direckshun
08-11-2011, 09:13 AM
At this point, his approval ratings a pretty closely mirroring Reagan's.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 09:17 AM
A moderate majority understand that deep cuts and reform (entitlements, taxes, military, etc) are necessary. That same majority understand that modest tax increases are also going to be necessary--for nearly everyone, including finally ending the Bush tax cuts.

On the other hand, political discourse is dominated by the lunatic fringe on both the left and the right--because it makes for good ratings, and theater. The radical left wish to continue to spend like drunken sailors, yet are far too generous with allowing the working class and middle class off the hook when it comes to taxes. The radical right insist on extending historically low tax rates, while simultaneously employing a slash-and-burn approach to Draconian cuts in legitimate (and popular) government programs.

True fiscal conservatives and responsible liberals understand you can't balance the ledger by only focusing on one side. Unfortunately, their voices are drowned out by spineless leadership from both parties, and the cacophony of demagoguery and outrage--seen once again, during the recent rancor and disingenuous "debate" over raising the debt ceiling.

How about we strip away the spending Obama has added to the books before we start with the "balanced approach" of tax hikes plus spending cuts that rudderless morons in the middle are so enamored with?

Saul Good
08-11-2011, 09:20 AM
Its interesting to me that Kotter is able to use every political victory of his opponents to further convince himself that his opponents are incompetent and unpopular.

2010 congressional gains by Republicans and the Tea Party?
Debt ceiling negotiations?
Wisconsin recall elections?

In Kotter's mind, these are evidence for the impending doom of the right.

If dirtyrute's slogan is "Real eyes realize real lies", Kotter's should be "Kotter's eyes are cauterized to real life".

patteeu
08-11-2011, 09:39 AM
Its interesting to me that Kotter is able to use every political victory of his opponents to further convince himself that his opponents are incompetent and unpopular.

2010 congressional gains by Republicans and the Tea Party?
Debt ceiling negotiations?
Wisconsin recall elections?

In Kotter's mind, these are evidence for the impending doom of the right.

If dirtyrute's slogan is "Real eyes realize real lies", Kotter's should be "Kotter's eyes are cauterized to real life".

LMAO

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 09:54 AM
Its interesting to me that Kotter is able to use every political victory of his opponents to further convince himself that his opponents are incompetent and unpopular.

2010 congressional gains by Republicans and the Tea Party?
Debt ceiling negotiations?
Wisconsin recall elections?

In Kotter's mind, these are evidence for the impending doom of the right.

If dirtyrute's slogan is "Real eyes realize real lies", Kotter's should be "Kotter's eyes are cauterized to real life".

It seems you are unfamiliar with the politics of protest, as historically exercised by the masses through short-lived third party ebbs and flows. The tea party inroads you allude to, are purely and simply momentary backlash against incumbents; it's John Q. Public and Joe Six-pack's way of sayin', "Fix it! We don't know or care how, but that's your job. So do it, or next time we'll vote for the other guy." It involves little else other than knee jerk reaction that avoids thoughtful deliberation, consensus, or compromise--because, well, those things are hard.

If you don't see the dogmatic devotion to ideology and fringe politics being blindly pursued by the tea party---then there is not much use engaging you about it.

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 10:07 AM
Idealogical zealots....in your learned opinion, would you include in that the leaders and patriots who fought a revolution to form this country? They didn't compromise nor bend their ideals. What about Lincoln who led the country through the Civil was with unwavering commitment to his ideal of preserving the union. Idealogical zealot? FDR was committed to winning the War with Germany with a firm "Unconditional surrender"...idealogical zealot?
Agreed. God Bless the Sons of Liberty. Without their backbone, we wouldn't have a country for people like you who are without one.

Certainly, King George would have considered the founding fathers zealots; on the other hand, by the time we got to 1776 or 1777 or so, the only really relevant point is a majority of Americans supported them.

That is quite different from Americans supporting any of the “zealots” I referred to—Thaddeus Stevens, John C. Calhoun, Jim Brown, the Black Panthers, or Jerry Falwell--or today's tea party. Each of those folks were fringe/lunatic fringe types, and majority of average Americans understood that.

As for the founding fathers, Lincoln, and FDR, while their rhetoric at particular times could be classified as radical, their actual deliberations and actions were marked by considerable compromise, consensus, and moderation—concepts that appear to be quite foreign to the tea party, and other ideological zealots far right and far left, on that vaunted lunatic fringe.

Saul Good
08-11-2011, 10:08 AM
You think that Obama's decline in popularity has ebbed and flowed?

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 10:10 AM
You think that Obama's decline in popularity has ebbed and flowed?

It has, and will; just like every President. Including Reagan and Clinton, fwiw.

Saul Good
08-11-2011, 10:19 AM
It has, and will; just like every President. Including Reagan and Clinton, fwiw.

There is a clearly established trend line, and his popularity is down about 20% over the last 2.5 years. He's lost almost a point per month since he took office.

He has no support outside the true believers, and you can't win with 30% approval from independents.

mlyonsd
08-11-2011, 10:35 AM
All by itself the tea party changed the political discussion from advocating spending as being something cool to being something evil.

They have altered the landscape enough to where Obama getting re-elected is getting iffy.

Thank god we have "lunatics" like them.

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 10:59 AM
There is a clearly established trend line, and his popularity is down about 20% over the last 2.5 years. He's lost almost a point per month since he took office.

He has no support outside the true believers, and you can't win with 30% approval from independents.

And yet the Republicans don't have anyone who can beat him. :shrug:

Saul Good
08-11-2011, 11:05 AM
And yet the Republicans don't have anyone who can beat him. :shrug:

Elections are about the incumbent when applicable. I know that bothers Democrats.

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 11:05 AM
All by itself the tea party changed the political discussion from advocating spending as being something cool to being something evil.

They have altered the landscape enough to where Obama getting re-elected is getting iffy.

Thank god we have "lunatics" like them.

The fringe, and even lunatics, can influence the national agenda and debate--usually when both of the parties become tone deaf, as they have in this case. It pushes the two major parties back to the center; it can be useful in that sense.

However, mistaking the extremism of the tea party (and its benefitting from the protest vote) as a mandate for irresponsible tax policy and a slash-and-burn Draconian cuts of necessary and popular programs....is a major over-reach. And it's an over-step the Republicans, currently, look as if they may just make. Kinda like Goldwater in '64; or McGovern in '72 for the Dems.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 11:06 AM
And yet the Republicans don't have anyone who can beat him. :shrug:

You've got a lot of faith in your messiah.

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 11:08 AM
Elections are about the incumbent when applicable. I know that bothers Democrats.

It ought to bother Republicans too; especially those in the House....and those hoping that some Reagan figure, miraculously, materializes in the next 15 months. Heh.

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 11:10 AM
You've got a lot of faith in your messiah.

I'm not a huge fan; I just realize that he was handed a shitty situation...and the intransigence of Congress has made things worse. And alternatives on the right, would make things worse yet.

Any faith I have is in the American people's refusal to embrace extremist measures....currently being peddled, especially by the right.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 11:22 AM
I'm not a huge fan; I just realize that he was handed a shitty situation...and the intransigence of Congress has made things worse. And alternatives on the right, would make things worse yet.

Any faith I have is in the American people's refusal to embrace extremist measures....currently being peddled, especially by the right.

Oh yeah, I forgot. His popularity rating is in the tank now so you're not a huge fan. If his numbers ever go up again, he'll be your boy again.

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 11:25 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot. His popularity rating is in the tank now so you're not a huge fan. If his numbers ever go up again, he'll be your boy again.

He's never been my "boy;" just what politicians usually are--merely the better of two imperfect choices.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 11:38 AM
It ought to bother Republicans too; especially those in the House....and those hoping that some Reagan figure, miraculously, materializes in the next 15 months. Heh.

There is a Republican Reagan figure but they reject him. Forgive them for they know not what they do.

ROYC75
08-11-2011, 01:59 PM
I'm not a huge fan; I just realize that he was handed a shitty situation...and the intransigence of Congress has made things worse. And alternatives on the right, would make things worse yet.

Any faith I have is in the American people's refusal to embrace extremist measures....currently being peddled, especially by the right.

Gee Rob, straddle the fence much?

Mr. Kotter
08-11-2011, 03:44 PM
Gee Rob, straddle the fence much?

I know, Roy, I know. It may come off as "straddling the fence" to those of you who already have your minds made up....but politics and government is complicated and nuanced. I know many prefer to have it reduced to sound bites, and slogans--but that tends to merely inflame the debate, instead of seeking real solutions to the challenges we face.

As I've said, real spending cuts, coupled with necessary reforms....including real tax reform, is hard. Reaching consensus and compromise to effectively address those problems isn't easy or sexy, and will encounter opposition from both extremes....but it's the ONLY thing that is going to fix this thing.

RINGLEADER
08-11-2011, 07:29 PM
At this point, his approval ratings a pretty closely mirroring Reagan's.

Difference is the trajectory of their respective economies at this moment in time.

RINGLEADER
08-11-2011, 07:33 PM
There is a clearly established trend line, and his popularity is down about 20% over the last 2.5 years. He's lost almost a point per month since he took office.

He has no support outside the true believers, and you can't win with 30% approval from independents.

His current 43.3% approval is elevated by at least a few points when you remove the liberal states he has no chance of ever losing. From an electoral college perspective he's hurting now but has tons of time to turn it around. But his opportunities to show leadership and progress on the issues most worry about is dwindling.

Braincase
08-11-2011, 08:44 PM
If everything goes well, we can have another Texas Governor running the country. Hoooray!

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 09:49 PM
Yikes!

ChiefaRoo
08-11-2011, 10:36 PM
Romney gets the nomination hands down. It's already over unless Christie gets in.

Obama vs Romney? Right now it's Romney. Obama is failing us all.

Halfcan
08-12-2011, 11:00 AM
Does anyone really think old man McCain would have done better??

Mr. Kotter
08-12-2011, 11:10 AM
Does anyone really think old man McCain would have done better??

Or Romney? :shrug:

Nope. And that is, precisely, the point; and it's why he'll be re-elected barring something earth-shattering.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:25 AM
Does anyone really think old man McCain would have done better??

I understand your point but the question in my head is; does anyone think anyone other than obama would have done worse?
Neither party offered a viable candidate which is part of the reason we are where we are today. A rudderless ship "captained" by the most helpless, embarassing POTUS in our proud history.

LOCOChief
08-12-2011, 11:31 AM
I can't stand McCain. That said, HELL YES he would've done better. He's got too much integrety to pull some of the bullshit Osama's done.

No balanced budget ammendment?
Ramming Obamacare down our throats?

Oh yeah Obama's a lock for a second term just like you jack offs were going to take Wisconsin back.

How many wake up calls to you libs need?

Mr. Kotter
08-12-2011, 11:42 AM
I can't stand McCain. That said, HELL YES he would've done better. He's got too much integrety to pull some of the bullshit Osama's done.

No balanced budget ammendment?
Ramming Obamacare down our throats?

Oh yeah Obama's a lock for a second term just like you jack offs were going to take Wisconsin back.

How many wake up calls to you libs need?


You see, this is the whole problem in a nutshell.

And, yes, on here I'm guilty of it too--demagoguery; my excuse is, this is a discussion board--not Congress. Unfortunately, Congress has taken to acting precisely as we act here. The difference is, this is ChiefsPlanet--Congress is suppose to be the center of our government, yet is has become not much more than an elite frickin' daycare center with a bunch of spoiled brats who are pretty much allowed to do whatever the hell they want--as long as they don't really bother the workers or parents.

Instead of listening to each other, and seeking reasonable middle ground, EVERYTHING gets turned into an "Us vs. Them" mentality that vilifies and demonizes everyone else on the other side as a G-D bleeding heart commie liberal, or a M-Fing tea baggin KKK lunatic. You expect it here (at least I do; ) but when it's happening routinely in the Capitol and D.C.---we got serious problems.

Otter
08-12-2011, 11:51 AM
tea baggin KKK lunatic

You've managed to combine the adjectives 'jackass' and 'hypocrite' seamlessly like no other.

All Tea Party members are KKK lunatics! We have to stop with the 'us vs them' attitude! We're all in big trouble till this stops!

Do you listen to yourself or are you just stupid? You don't have to answer I already made up my mind but thought I'd point this one small example to you.

BucEyedPea
08-12-2011, 11:53 AM
I can't stand McCain. That said, HELL YES he would've done better. He's got too much integrety to pull some of the bullshit Osama's done.

No balanced budget ammendment?
Ramming Obamacare down our throats?

Oh yeah Obama's a lock for a second term just like you jack offs were going to take Wisconsin back.

How many wake up calls to you libs need?

On the other hand we would have still gone into Libya and probably be at war with Iran by now.

Mr. Kotter
08-12-2011, 12:01 PM
You've managed to combine the adjectives 'jackass' and 'hypocrite' seamlessly like no other.

All Tea Party members are KKK lunatics! We have to stop with the 'us vs them' attitude! We're all in big trouble till this stops!

Do you listen to yourself or are you just stupid? You don't have to answer I already made up my mind but thought I'd point this one small example to you.

WTF? I said--I do it here. This isn't Congress. Most do it here, to varying degrees. When you do it, don't be surprised when others do it back.

Passive-aggressive and indirect shit, that some do, is transparent as hell--so don't insult us by claiming innocence.

:shrug:

Otter
08-12-2011, 12:08 PM
WTF? I said--I do it here. This isn't Congress. Most do it here, to varying degrees. When you do it, don't be surprised when others do it back.

Passive-aggressive and indirect shit, that some do, is transparent as hell--so don't insult us by claiming innocence.

:shrug:

Please point out were I claimed innocence you retarded monkey. Good Lord!

You teach kids huh!

Mr. Kotter
08-12-2011, 12:11 PM
Please point out were I claimed innocence you retarded monkey. Good Lord!

You teach kids huh!

I was referring to folks like you, shitbird....and fly under-the-radar/sea gull types, and snipe and leave types that never, ever offer any substantive posts (you, ftr.) You know, like some have accused me of doing of late--guilty as charged, fwiw.

Saul Good
08-12-2011, 12:14 PM
Obama's popularity is at a record low according to RCP. In New York, 42% approve and 46% disapprove. He won New York by a margin of 63% to 37%.

He is getting murdered by the downgrade. It looks like that was the last straw for a lot of his holdouts.

patteeu
08-12-2011, 01:21 PM
Obama's popularity is at a record low according to RCP. In New York, 42% approve and 46% disapprove. He won New York by a margin of 63% to 37%.

He is getting murdered by the downgrade. It looks like that was the last straw for a lot of his holdouts.

Obama shouldn't be worried because Mr. Kotter says he's a shoe-in.

Otter
08-12-2011, 02:10 PM
Obama shouldn't be worried because Mr. Kotter says he's a shoe-in.

That does it for me.

Saul Good
08-12-2011, 02:18 PM
Obama shouldn't be worried because Mr. Kotter says he's a shoe-in.

Is that the same Mr. Kotter who said that schools can't fill their positions because of the low pay and then proceeded to post a report (that he obviously didn't read) that showed no teaching positions available in KS or MO?

Graystoke
08-12-2011, 02:20 PM
I see no canidate in the R bunch that will beat Obama.
That is SAD!
The American voters wanted change...they got it big time.
But when the election nears and these will be our choices the voters will decide to stick with the evil they know.

I mean WTF? The "R's" can't find any viable canidate?
SAD

patteeu
08-12-2011, 02:33 PM
Is that the same Mr. Kotter who said that schools can't fill their positions because of the low pay and then proceeded to post a report (that he obviously didn't read) that showed no teaching positions available in KS or MO?

LMAO Yep, that's the guy. He likes to take both sides of a position just to be fair.

DJJasonp
08-12-2011, 02:43 PM
disclaimer: I'm neither R or D. My official stance is to not trust any politician.

That said, I'm finding it incredible that statements are being made by Obama supporters such as ",....barring a game changer" or "....barring something earth-shattering".

What, after the debacle of the last 2 1/2 years....would you consider earth-shattering?

We've watched the american tax payer get fleeced by our senate, Wall Street, hedge-fund satanists, and offshore bankers....all under the watchful eye of a president who was going to "bring reform to wall street" and take care of "main street instead of wall street".

There is really no difference between the left and right - they are both owned by special interest groups/bankers.

And now....with a "super congress", these same global elite need only to pay for 12 votes.


I'm afraid to think what some might be referring to as a "game changer". Jeez, how bad does it have to get?

Mr. Kotter
08-12-2011, 03:09 PM
Is that the same Mr. Kotter who said that schools can't fill their positions because of the low pay and then proceeded to post a report (that he obviously didn't read) that showed no teaching positions available in KS or MO?

I referred to a nationwide shortage of teachers (albeit, that each state and region faced varying degrees of shortages; even in KS and MO though, certain disciplines showed shortages) and you, then.... extrapolate lack of shortages in a handful of states to be evidence there is no national shortage?

And yet, somehow I'm the one playing loose with statistics? You've obviously picked up your logic and reasoning "skills" from talk radio...if that's how you want to play. You need a refresher in Logic 101.

:rolleyes:

Calcountry
08-12-2011, 07:12 PM
Obama shouldn't be worried because Mr. Kotter says he's a shoe-in.LMAO

Mr. Kotter
08-14-2011, 11:25 PM
LMAO

Eloquent, Mr. PussycatdoggybunnyTrader.

:thumb:

Calcountry
08-15-2011, 03:29 PM
You know what's even more sad? Not a single Republican, currently declared, would beat him in 2012.

And it wouldn't be very close even.:D

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 09:03 AM
I referred to a nationwide shortage of teachers (albeit, that each state and region faced varying degrees of shortages; even in KS and MO though, certain disciplines showed shortages) and you, then.... extrapolate lack of shortages in a handful of states to be evidence there is no national shortage?

And yet, somehow I'm the one playing loose with statistics? You've obviously picked up your logic and reasoning "skills" from talk radio...if that's how you want to play. You need a refresher in Logic 101.

:rolleyes:

You got your ass blistered mercilessly in that thread. If you want to revisit it, I'm game though.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 09:19 AM
We're having hiring freezes here for local public schools and universities.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 09:27 AM
Okay, I did a google on teacher shortages, just to see because this isn't something I've read much about since I avoid public schools generally.

Looks like a boatload of articles and studies on there being a teacher shortage, afterall.
There's freezes here on hiring but this is due to the economy.

Per Nebraska State Education Association reports these numbers here:http://www.nsea.org/policy/salaries/index.htm

Granted it is a member union.

US Dept of Ed: http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ope/pol/tsa.html

Says areas are suffering shortages and provides a Word doc or PDF as to where they are.

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 10:06 AM
Check out the "Jon Stewart Exposes Fox News Hypocrisy" thread for some background. (That many not be the exact title.) It was about wisconsin's debacle from March.

How did that turn out, anyway? I would assume that the right received its come-uppance in a recall election.