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Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 03:53 AM
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61080.html

patteeu
08-11-2011, 08:05 AM
This could be the high point of Ron Paul's entire campaign so be sure to tune in. Eventually, the serious part of the campaign will begin.

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 11:19 AM
This could be the high point of Ron Paul's entire campaign so be sure to tune in. Eventually, the serious part of the campaign will begin.

You mean the part where he polls at 16% and is within reach of first place in Iowa?

Extra Point
08-11-2011, 11:29 AM
Help me, Obe-RonPaul-know-me, you're my only hope!

Huckabee shouldn't have dropped out. Pawlenty, Perry, maybe. Palin, Crazy-Eyes Bachmann, Romney? Are you kidding me?

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 11:33 AM
I'd imagine this will be the first debate where candidates go after Mitt Romney. The lower tier candidates will need to make a name for themselves heading into the straw poll.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 11:35 AM
Help me, Obe-RonPaul-know-me, you're my only hope!

Huckabee shouldn't have dropped out.

Obe-Huck-Oh-No-Be! NO thanks. He's a Christian socialist.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 11:36 AM
I'd imagine this will be the first debate where candidates go after Mitt Romney. The lower tier candidates will need to make a name for themselves heading into the straw poll.

I hear he went to S&P to upgrade MA credit rating. I just bet he uses that as a talking point. Patteeu will swoon!

patteeu
08-11-2011, 11:37 AM
I hear he went to S&P to upgrade MA credit rating. I just bet he uses that as a talking point. Patteeu will swoon!

Why would I swoon?

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 11:42 AM
I'll enjoy this primary process hearing from Patteau how Ron Paul is fringe while he supports Rick Perry. Hey Patt you think Perry will win over America with his succession talk?

patteeu
08-11-2011, 11:48 AM
I'll enjoy this primary process hearing from Patteau how Ron Paul is fringe while he supports Rick Perry. Hey Patt you think Perry will win over America with his succession talk?

I doubt that that will be his strategy.

Direckshun
08-11-2011, 11:49 AM
I believe he means secession.

I'm pretty sure every challenger in politics runs on succession.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 11:51 AM
I believe he means secession.

I'm pretty sure every challenger in politics runs on succession.

LMAO

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 11:53 AM
I doubt that that will be his strategy.


ROFL

You don't think his comments about Texas leaving the union won't be brought up? Then again you're the man who thinks Dick Cheney was a good vice president.

Jaric
08-11-2011, 11:58 AM
ROFL

You don't think his comments about Texas leaving the union won't be brought up? Then again you're the man who thinks Dick Cheney was a good vice president.

That's only because Cheney threatened to kill him if he didn't.

We can't see it, but whenever Pat posts he's mouthing "Please help me!" hoping one of us will recognize his plight and deliver him to freedom.

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 11:59 AM
That's only because Cheney threatened to kill him if he didn't.

We can't see it, but whenever Pat posts he's mouthing "Please help me!" hoping one of us will recognize his plight and deliver him to freedom.

I thought he was mouthing something else.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 12:06 PM
ROFL

You don't think his comments about Texas leaving the union won't be brought up? Then again you're the man who thinks Dick Cheney was a good vice president.

I don't think he was a good vice president. I know he was a good vice president.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 12:07 PM
ROFL

You don't think his comments about Texas leaving the union won't be brought up? Then again you're the man who thinks Dick Cheney was a good vice president.

I don't think he was a good vice president. I know he was a good vice president. In fact, he was the greatest vice president in US history. It was definitively decided in a Rain Man administered poll right here on ChiefsPlanet back in 2009. He had more votes than Thomas Jefferson and Ted Roosevelt combined.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 12:38 PM
Well, duh, that just shows the demographics here.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 12:56 PM
Well, duh, that just shows the demographics here.

Well, it was just the equivalent of a straw poll so I guess you've got a point.

ROYC75
08-11-2011, 01:08 PM
Obe-Huck-Oh-No-Be! NO thanks. He's a Christian socialist.

IMHO, Huckabee would be better than what we have running now, including Ron Paul.

But in reality...... If Obama stays weak and vulnerable this is who we are faced with.

Romney ? Can he pull enough R's to win nomination, he will get enough I's in General to compete.

Perry ? Can he get enough R's to secure nomination? May have a tough time getting I's to beat Obama.

Bachman ? Can pull enough conservative R's to win nomination, no chance to get enough I's to beat Obama.

Paul ? Can he get enough R's to win nomination to go with the I's to challenge Obama, I don't think he makes it out of the primary.

Pawlenty ? Must score big in Iowa and get some serious traction to fight a very big uphill climb.

Everybody else ? Not worth mentioning .

It's sad, as weak as Obama is, we have who we have.

Anybody running as a I in the General will most likely give Obama a 2nd term.

Baby Lee
08-11-2011, 01:12 PM
I think even I would vote for Obama over Huckabee. I know I would if strong Republican control of the legislature was apparent.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 01:35 PM
IMHO, Huckabee would be better than what we have running now, including Ron Paul.

I would expect you to be for Huckabee but I am not interested in another socialist pro-give-illegals-a-college education type of Republican in office. Huckabee will not win the Independent vote if polls are correct and so far they are indicating that. Ron is more likely gain more of the Independent votes.. He will win the base of TheoCons and NeoCons.

People are tired of the war fever Roy and I don't see Huckabee as reducing that.


Perry ? Can he get enough R's to secure nomination? May have a tough time getting I's to beat Obama.
Tricky Rick only needs a few more than Romney or Bachmann. Gore's former campaign man and another NeoCon from Texas, after Bush was run out with his enablers? He'd split the votes on the Right with Romney.

Bachman ? Can pull enough conservative R's to win nomination, no chance to get enough I's to beat Obama.
She probably won't get enough I's, true. But she's great for fiscal conservativism compared to Huckabee.

Paul ? Can he get enough R's to win nomination to go with the I's to challenge Obama, I don't think he makes it out of the primary.
As I said before, Rs will not nominate Paul even though most people are clamoring for something different to get their country back. He really is the best man for the job imo. However, two polls, thus far, show that Paul trails Obama the least amount in polls due to the Independent vote.

Pawlenty ? Must score big in Iowa and get some serious traction to fight a very big uphill climb.
He's a yawner but despite recent polls I don't actually rule him out. Remember McCain was in the basement and then surprisingly pulled out a win. Everyone said he was dead. He's a RINO though and will keep the wars going even while the empire is on its last legs.

You guys, who think Paul is unelectable, want something safe.

FishingRod
08-11-2011, 01:35 PM
ROFL

You don't think his comments about Texas leaving the union won't be brought up? Then again you're the man who thinks Dick Cheney was a good vice president.

If his speech writers are any good he will have a witty response to Texas leaving the Union memorized by now. One that will play well with all those fed up with the direction the Federal Government is going. Something turning it around that the US and Texas are all ready separated by goals and deed and the principals they both once stood for. It is the US that has moved out not TX. If these things canít be reconciled a divorce sad as they tend to be, may be the only choice. TX unlike other states has always had the right to self determination and self preservation if current trends are not reversed why would they want to stay? Iím no speech writer but that idea more eloquently stated could be a homerun.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 01:37 PM
I think even I would vote for Obama over Huckabee. I know I would if strong Republican control of the legislature was apparent.

This is how I feel about him, as well as Romney and Perry.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-11-2011, 02:08 PM
I don't think he was a good vice president. I know he was a good vice president.

and Rick Perry is your guy, really? So if he chooses Saint Al of the Gore as his running mate, you're still on board?

patteeu
08-11-2011, 02:19 PM
and Rick Perry is your guy, really? So if he chooses Saint Al of the Gore as his running mate, you're still on board?

How did Rick Perry become my guy? I can understand how some people mistakenly think Romney is my guy since he was my candidate in 2008, but where did Rick Perry come from? FWIW, I haven't picked a guy for 2012 yet.

mnchiefsguy
08-11-2011, 02:39 PM
How did Rick Perry become my guy? I can understand how some people mistakenly think Romney is my guy since he was my candidate in 2008, but where did Rick Perry come from? FWIW, I haven't picked a guy for 2012 yet.

Tonights debate should be interesting. And if Perry does enter the race over the weekend, I think the campaign will get more serious quickly, and we will begin to see the race for the nomination take shape.

I have no favorite at the moment, but I am firmly in the "anyone but Obama" camp. I just can't see anyone that would do worse, short of Frankie maybe.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 02:41 PM
I have no favorite at the moment, but I am firmly in the "anyone but Obama" camp. I just can't see anyone that would do worse, short of Frankie maybe.

That's how something worse, under "Anybody but Bush," got Obama elected.

mnchiefsguy
08-11-2011, 02:43 PM
That's how something worse, under "Anybody but Bush," got Obama elected.

Given how bad Obama has been, I am willing to take that chance. And I do not completely agree that Obama was the "anybody but Bush" choice...the Democrats and liberals wanted a strong candidate, and they got a very good candidate in Obama. If Obama was more of an "anybody but Bush" choice, I think Democrats and liberals stay home from the polls in 08, which would have made that race much closer.

jiveturkey
08-11-2011, 02:44 PM
That's how something worse, under "Anybody but Bush," got Obama elected.Which originally for me was "Anybody but Hillary".

I really think that Hillary would have been doing a much better job.

That kills me a little inside having to type that.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 02:45 PM
From Lew's Political Theatre:

From DS:

At the Debate

Predicted question for Ron Paul from the Fox News moderator:

The global economy is in turmoil. Riots are breaking out around the world. The dollar is plunging. Prices are rising. U.S. debt has been downgraded for the first time in history.

So the question for you, Dr. Paul, is:

Why do you think it's okay for little children to use heroin and crack cocaine? You have 10 seconds to answer and the clock started 5 seconds ago.




ROFL You just wait.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 02:51 PM
Given how bad Obama has been, I am willing to take that chance.
It's not a chanceóit's a given with certain Republicansómost of them unfortunately.

And I do not completely agree that Obama was the "anybody but Bush" choice...the Democrats and liberals wanted a strong candidate, and they got a very good candidate in Obama.
You may not but Obama's election was widely considered a referendum on Bush Republicans and still is. Why do you think many of today's Republicans admitted they messed up and lost as a result? Obama promised change from their spending and wars.

It helped that he had a excellent marketing and strong speech skills. However, he promised change and that's what most wanted but didn't get. Unless your a partisan leftist who wanted more spending on certain things.

If Obama was more of an "anybody but Bush" choice, I think Democrats and liberals stay home from the polls in 08, which would have made that race much closer.

Well, then you must have missed it because the democratic lefists were saying those words ó "anybody but Bush" ó here. 'Cept not just here either.

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 02:53 PM
Which originally for me was "Anybody but Hillary".

I really think that Hillary would have been doing a much better job.

That kills me a little inside having to type that.

It kills me too. I think she would have still pushed healthcare though and gone into Libya. She's part of the DC insider Establishment crowd which is who has to be taken out.

I do want more Rs in congress though....more Tea Party ones too. That's not a bad situation at all should Obama be re-elected. Except for the courts.

Chiefshrink
08-11-2011, 03:02 PM
I think even I would vote for Obama over Huckabee. I know I would if strong Republican control of the legislature was apparent.

So that means you vote against the Constitution, a free market and would vote for your 401K to keep going down the sh***er and continue to support the illegals with your tax dollar and that's just a start:thumb:

That's genius:spock:

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 03:13 PM
So that means you vote against the Constitution, a free market and would vote for your 401K to keep going down the sh***er and continue to support the illegals with your tax dollar and that's just a start:thumb:

That's genius:spock:

If you understand the Constitution you'd know that it provides for legislative supremacy and that the Presidential office has less powers. There's been no difference with Republican presidents regarding illegals getting support with our tax dollars either. Your 401k is likely going to down the shitter anyways. The next bust is going to be worse than 2008. All these things will continue if another Chickenhawk, Establishment, RINO or NeoCon Republican is elected to the oval office.

More or enough Republicans, the right kind, in the Congress can completely stifle Obama's agenda and even over ride any veto if they decide to de-fund Obamacare.

patteeu
08-11-2011, 04:09 PM
That's how something worse, under "Anybody but Bush," got Obama elected.

Actually, that's entirely different. Anyone who was thinking "anybody but Bush" was a moron to begin with.

orange
08-11-2011, 05:24 PM
I really think that Hillary would have been doing a much better job.

That kills me a little inside having to type that.

It kills me too.


http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/assets_c/2008/05/Clinton%20at%20Rushmore-thumb-425x288.jpg

"But 'used to be's' don't count anymore
They just lay on the floor
'Til we sweep them away"

BucEyedPea
08-11-2011, 05:57 PM
Rick Perry: one of the most conservative Republican candidates (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/8647887/Rick-Perry-one-of-the-most-conservative-Republican-candidates.html)


ROFL:LOL:LMAO ROFL:LOL:LMAO


Then again it's a British source and their conservatives aren't the same as ours. *giggling*

SNR
08-11-2011, 06:29 PM
Which originally for me was "Anybody but Hillary".

I really think that Hillary would have been doing a much better job.

That kills me a little inside having to type that.
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dirk digler
08-11-2011, 07:22 PM
Bachmann and Pawlenty going after each other

Good stuff

banyon
08-11-2011, 07:24 PM
Ok, I guess this is the "gloves off" debate.

banyon
08-11-2011, 07:25 PM
Wallace is actually asking difficult questions to the candidates.

Hitting Romney on outsourcing jobs!

dirk digler
08-11-2011, 07:28 PM
Gingrich telling off Wallace LMAO

wimp

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 07:51 PM
Newt has won this debate.

banyon
08-11-2011, 07:53 PM
Santorum won the last debate in polls but has been marginalized (literally and figuratively) in this one.

orange
08-11-2011, 07:55 PM
What's the weapon of choice for duels in Minnesota?

dirk digler
08-11-2011, 08:17 PM
I have to give Fox major credit this is the best debate I have probably seen.

Let the candidates go after each other instead of playing patty cake.

Reaper16
08-11-2011, 08:24 PM
Santorum can't not be a mega-douche, can he?

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 08:27 PM
Republicans will never learn maybe one day we'll invade a country that has nukes. Probably not.

dirk digler
08-11-2011, 08:30 PM
I don't want to hear anybody say that conservatives aren't sexist. Holy shit Byron York

petegz28
08-11-2011, 09:00 PM
Ok, I didn't get to see it...who was the winner? Give me the snapshot, please

ROYC75
08-11-2011, 09:05 PM
Rick - Childish
Tim - Sissyfight
Michelle - Fighting with baby brother
Herman - Still lost
Ron - wacko
John - wishing
Mitt- neutral
Newt - Winner, bold and brash

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 09:06 PM
Newt Gingrich won but this debate was pretty bad.

Romney sucked. Ron Paul was pretty bad the idiot yelling his name randomly is embarrasing. Santorum sucked Pawlenty sucked Bachmann sucked. Hunstman sucked

Cain was ok

ROYC75
08-11-2011, 09:12 PM
Tim & Michelle went through a brother sister fight and neither looked presidential.

Bewbies
08-11-2011, 10:47 PM
I don't know how anyone watched a debate when there was real life football on tv tonight. Save the debates for the spring when we care.

Chocolate Hog
08-11-2011, 11:19 PM
I don't know how anyone watched a debate when there was real life football on tv tonight. Save the debates for the spring when we care.

Because I don't have cable and couldn't find a stream online.

Chiefshrink
08-12-2011, 12:17 AM
I don't know how anyone watched a debate when there was real life football on tv tonight. Save the debates for the spring when we care.

:thumb:

Pioli Zombie
08-12-2011, 06:16 AM
I was waiting for Pawlenty to say he wouldn't in a million years mow Michelle Bachmanns lawn.

dirk digler
08-12-2011, 07:08 AM
I don't know how anyone watched a debate when there was real life football on tv tonight. Save the debates for the spring when we care.

meh. By the time the debate started it was already in the second quarter of the first preseason game. All the scrubs were in by then so I wasn't all that interested in watching it.

Bewbies
08-12-2011, 09:28 AM
meh. By the time the debate started it was already in the second quarter of the first preseason game. All the scrubs were in by then so I wasn't all that interested in watching it.

There's got to be a "all the scrubs were in" joke when talking about this debate too....somewhere, if I could just find it. LMAO

BucEyedPea
08-12-2011, 11:11 AM
Who won the Republican Debate? (http://www.topix.com/issue/gop-debate-aug11)

Viewers chose Ron Paul.

National Vote
6,834 Active Cities
29,869 Total Votes

Paul
16485

Gingrich
5080

Cain
2714

Bachmann
2045

Romney
2040

Santorum
885

Huntsman
344

Pawlenty
276

go bowe
08-12-2011, 11:19 AM
no, viewers didn't pick paul, some people who clicked on an obscure website picked paul, hardly a representative sample of "viewers"...

evenfall
08-12-2011, 11:51 AM
You mean the part where he polls at 16% and is within reach of first place in Iowa?

Congrats to him if he manages to finish top three in this I-AA contest. Doesn't mean much.

I wouldn't say that his finishing top three in Iowa would be dunking on a midget, it wouldn't be a good analogy as he is one of the midgets

I like him personally but his followers.are such an annoying bunch of... Jehovah's witnesses meets star trekkies... they hurt more than help..

patteeu
08-12-2011, 12:21 PM
Congrats to him if he manages to finish top three in this I-AA contest. Doesn't mean much.

I wouldn't say that his finishing top three in Iowa would be dunking on a midget, it wouldn't be a good analogy as he is one of the midgets

I like him personally but his followers.are such an annoying bunch of... Jehovah's witnesses meets star trekkies... they hurt more than help..

I'd like to associate myself with these comments, except I'm a little troubled by this kind of vicious attack on trekkies.

Baby Lee
08-12-2011, 12:24 PM
Congrats to him if he manages to finish top three in this I-AA contest. Doesn't mean much.

I wouldn't say that his finishing top three in Iowa would be dunking on a midget, it wouldn't be a good analogy as he is one of the midgets

I like him personally but his followers.are such an annoying bunch of... Jehovah's witnesses meets star trekkies... they hurt more than help..

Uh dude, Trekkers is the preferred nomoenclature.

Jaric
08-12-2011, 01:03 PM
Uh dude, Dorks is the preferred nomoenclature.
Fixed.

Chocolate Hog
08-12-2011, 02:13 PM
Congrats to him if he manages to finish top three in this I-AA contest. Doesn't mean much.

I wouldn't say that his finishing top three in Iowa would be dunking on a midget, it wouldn't be a good analogy as he is one of the midgets

I like him personally but his followers.are such an annoying bunch of... Jehovah's witnesses meets star trekkies... they hurt more than help..

I vote for the candidate based on his views not his supporters.

go bowe
08-12-2011, 03:21 PM
that's a good thing, jockstraps are smelly...