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Baconeater
08-11-2011, 10:51 PM
So some big shot at my wife's company is selling this car, and my wife is creaming in her jeans over it. I know Dodges, Toyotas and Chevys, I don't know anything about freaking Mercedes-Benzs. But it looks like a bitchin' ride.

http://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/2542460085.html

2002 Mercedes-Benz C230 Coupe

Brand new rubber, maybe 2,000 miles on the tires
19.5" chrome wheels
Bose sound system
Auto rain-sense wipers
Auto lighting all around
AM/FM/Cassette/6-CD Changer
Heated seats in front
Auto and manual heating/cooling environmental controls
4-Position memory seat, mirror and telescoping steering-wheel driver side -- 4-position memory seat for passenger
Awesome front-to-back sun roof with shade
Airbags, both front and side curtain impact
All leather interior
Brand new battery
Much more, but here are the official specifications:

Powertrain

Engine: 4-Cyl, Supercharged
Horsepower: 192 @ 5500 RPM
Torque: 200 @ 2500 RPM
Gas Mileage: City 19/Hwy 26
Bore x Stroke: 3.58 x 3.48
Compression Ratio: 9.0
Fuel Type: Gas
Fuel Induction: Sequential Fuel Induction
Valve Train: Dual Overhead Cam
Valves Per Cylinder: 4
Total Number Valves: 16
Transmission: Automatic
Drivetrain: RWD

I guess my only real concern is maintenance costs.

Any thoughts?

Dr. Facebook Fever
08-11-2011, 10:52 PM
Bragger.

Baconeater
08-11-2011, 10:54 PM
Bragger.
Dude, it's $3000 less than we paid for her Toyota. It's not that expensive.

Deberg_1990
08-11-2011, 10:55 PM
I guess my only real concern is maintenance costs.



This would be my main concern....does it take premium gas as well?

Bump
08-11-2011, 10:56 PM
picture me rollin in my 500 benz
I got no love for these bitches
there's no need to be friends

Baconeater
08-11-2011, 10:57 PM
This would be my main concern....does it take premium gas as well?
Hell I have no idea.

Deberg_1990
08-11-2011, 10:58 PM
Hell I have no idea.

Thats obviously another concern...

BossChief
08-11-2011, 11:00 PM
they are generally reliable, but when something breaks...they are spendy to fix.

thats about all I got.

BigMeatballDave
08-11-2011, 11:03 PM
Sweet. That's the Kompressor

pr_capone
08-11-2011, 11:04 PM
This would be my main concern....does it take premium gas as well?

Both my car and my motorcycle only take premium gas. The price difference between reg and prem has mostly gone unnoticed. Around here, premium is typically about .15 to .20 cents per gallon more expensive than regular.

My car takes 14 gallons to fill up. In the end, that means that I pay about $3 more per fill up. BUT I get to drive, IMHO, a cool car. I could get about 25-27mpg if I drove the car responsibly.

Completely worth it.

pr_capone
08-11-2011, 11:10 PM
For the car, I can only echo the sentiments of others. Typically reliable but if you have to fix anything... it is extremely expensive.

Did find this though.

http://mbworld.org/forums/1637794-post5.html



Operating Expenses Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor

Description Replacement Cost Miles Per Replacement Cost Per Mile % of Operating Cost
Gasoline $56 @ $3.50/gal 384 miles @ 24.0mpg $0.15 52%
Tires $600 20,000 $0.03 10%
Scheduled Maintenance $700 26,000 $0.03 10%
Brakes $2,100 60,000 $0.04 14%
Long Haul Service $3,500 100,000 $0.04 14%

TOTAL COST PER MILE $0.29

A Service* $239 13,000
B Service * $399 13,000
Brakes Pads Installed** $700 30,000
Brakes Pads and Discs** $1,400 30,000
60,000 Mile Major Service $1,500 60,000
100,000 Mile Major Service $2,000 100,000

* Alternate between A and B service every 13,000 miles
** Alternate between pads and pads and disc service.
As you can see, I run on very cheap tires ($600 for a set of four, BF Goodrich tires installed at Costco, they last long and handle well).

This is also assuming that the brake rotors last for two pad jobs, this is optimistic but possible.

You're looking at around $0.15 a mile minimum for maintenance alone. Ad another $0.15 for gas. Approximately $0.30 a mile for gas and maintenance. This does not factor in depreciation, car washes, other upkeeps.

The mileage for these are also at best "predicted". Your brakes may last longer or shorter depending on your driving style. I estimate my brakes will last longer since I try not to use them unless the light turns red.

I went to the Ferrari dealership once and I asked them how much it would cost to maintain the vehicle per mile. They told me if I had to ask, that means that I couldn't afford it; then they told me it really depended on how I drove the car, if I tracked the car, then obviously my tires and brakes would last much shorter periods.

Goodluck, these cars don't come cheap. Consider a BMW 325i or a Lexus IS250; those will save you boatloads on the maintenance. Also be very nice to your service advisor, give him chocolates and small gifts so he'll be more inclined to give you a discount once in a while.


Look at the cost of the 100k tuneup. Look at the miles on the car (94k). That sucker is about due a $2k balloon payment in about a year. Betcha that is the motivating factor in getting rid of it.

Baconeater
08-11-2011, 11:19 PM
For the car, I can only echo the sentiments of others. Typically reliable but if you have to fix anything... it is extremely expensive.

Did find this though.

http://mbworld.org/forums/1637794-post5.html



Look at the cost of the 100k tuneup. Look at the miles on the car (94k). That sucker is about due a $2k balloon payment in about a year. Betcha that is the motivating factor in getting rid of it.
Hey, nice find. The guy says he needs a truck, and he's not hurting for money so I doubt that's the main factor, but I'm sure it's part of it. That really doesn't worry me too much because we can plan for that, it's the unplanned shit that scares me. The Mrs doesn't really run up the miles too much so we could probably put that off for at least two years anyway.

DTLB58
08-11-2011, 11:23 PM
Because of the brand name, insurance maybe? Have you checked into how much difference it is going to be between this and your current rates?

Baconeater
08-11-2011, 11:29 PM
Because of the brand name, insurance maybe? Have you checked into how much difference it is going to be between this and your current rates?
Not yet, but I will be tomorrow. The book value of the car is actually a bit lower than what we have now so I can't imagine collision would be much different. And it also has less horsepower, and we're old with good driving records.

CrazyPhuD
08-11-2011, 11:36 PM
Both my car and my motorcycle only take premium gas. The price difference between reg and prem has mostly gone unnoticed. Around here, premium is typically about .15 to .20 cents per gallon more expensive than regular.

My car takes 14 gallons to fill up. In the end, that means that I pay about $3 more per fill up. BUT I get to drive, IMHO, a cool car. I could get about 25-27mpg if I drove the car responsibly.

Completely worth it.

This is what one of the things people miss. Higher gas prices actually makes the relative cost of premium less.

If gas is $2 per gallon then the percentage premium for premium is ~10%.

If gas is $4 per gallon then the percentage premium for premium is onl ~5% because you're paying the same $0.20 per gallon extra, relatively speaking it becomes a smaller part of your gas bill as gas gets more expensive. What's been interesting for me is that the price premium of premium has actually gone DOWN as gas has gone up. It used to always be $0.20 differences, but as gas went up it lowered to only $0.16 difference.

But for the OP the big issue with any MB is maintenance.

Now for the other decently important question. WTH rims did he put on there. He says 19.5 and I've never heard of a 19.5 on a sports car, if he did tires will be ass expensive.

Even if he didn't put 19.5" rims and only put 19" rims that's still a pretty epically bad choice. Stock that car runs 16 inch rims with a 55 profile tire or 17 inch rims with a +45 profile. At 19" he's effectively running a +3 rim size(since the 17 is already really +1). Tires will likely be dog expensive if he's running the right one. Why? To match the proper outside diameter, you would need to have a 35 profile tire for an 18inch rim or a 25 profile tire for a 19inch rim. Anything that low profile is going to ride like shit and be really expensive(since not many cars run that low profile).

Now one thing that people will do to 'save money' is to run a larger profile tire so when he should be running a 25 profile tire he'll run a cheaper 35 profile tire. The problem with that is you're now running a tire that has a larger rolling diameter than the car was designed for which means your speedometer and your odometer are now off since the car is now traveling farther per rotation than the car thinks it is.

Then there is the additional wear an tear that happens by running + sized rims. With a lower profile tire you are putting more stress on the shocks and suspension components(since the tires absorb less shock).

Personally I'd say no to that car, with that mileage, that age and the uncertainty around the wheels, it just sounds like a repair headache waiting to happen.

Bewbies
08-11-2011, 11:40 PM
German cars, if properly maintained, run forever. I wouldn't be worried about it at all.

CrazyPhuD
08-11-2011, 11:41 PM
So also look at the second picture. One thing that we refer to when adding + sized rims is the tendency to make the car "4x4" in a sense you make the rim to wheel well gap look to big so it looks like you jacked the car up. Which is why people often will lower a car when adding rims.

So looking at the side profile picture it does look like the front tire is 4x4ing. HOWEVER it looks like there is NO gap in the rear tire. Why? Did he blow the rear suspension? Did he install a lowering suspension? Or is it just an optical effect. It's definitely something I would want to know to make sure there are no other problems.

Baconeater
08-11-2011, 11:52 PM
Huh, I never gave the wheels/tires a second thought. He's not the original owner so I have no idea if he put those wheels on or not. But you're right about the odd size tires, I remember back in the 80s Ford put some bullshit metric tires on some Mustangs and Escorts, only Michelin made them and they were ridiculously expensive. He says it has new tires so that's a plus I guess.

BossChief
08-12-2011, 12:06 AM
Not yet, but I will be tomorrow. The book value of the car is actually a bit lower than what we have now so I can't imagine collision would be much different. And it also has less horsepower, and we're old with good driving records.

It is likely listed as a "luxury car" and therefore, more expensive.

Guru
08-12-2011, 12:09 AM
Nah don't do it. It's a POS.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 12:13 AM
Nah don't do it. It's a POS.
It's definitely one of situations where my common sense is saying "hell no". But at the same time the car guy in me is also screaming "hell yes". We've talked about getting something more fun since we're not going to be hauling kids around much longer, but I was hoping to put it off for at least another year or two.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 12:15 AM
It is likely listed as a "luxury car" and therefore, more expensive.
True, more likely to get stolen, etc.

KurtCobain
08-12-2011, 12:18 AM
You can do it, Bug!

CrazyPhuD
08-12-2011, 12:22 AM
Random review I found of the old 2002 C230...now the nice bit is looking at the pictures the car does tend to squat over it's rear tires so it looks like naturally there is less gap in the rear(i.e. probably not modified suspension or blow suspension).

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/01q4/mercedes-benz_c230_kompressor_sports_coupe-short_take_road_test

CrazyPhuD
08-12-2011, 12:23 AM
True, more likely to get stolen, etc.

Yes that may be true but it's also more likely to break down before the thief gets 4 blocks. You can think of it like a built in security system! ;)

KurtCobain
08-12-2011, 12:23 AM
If you get this car I want a ride.

CrazyPhuD
08-12-2011, 12:25 AM
another short drive reveiw

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/01q2/2002_mercedes-benz_c230_kompressor_sports_coupe-first_drive_review

D-Train6906
08-12-2011, 12:26 AM
Stupid expensive to fix. Oil changes have to be done at the dealership. Looks like a great car on paper, its almost 10 years old, just pass bro.

Bwana
08-12-2011, 12:55 AM
If you have a sack of money for future repairs, go for it, if not, pass.

http://www.paperitfun.com/images/money.jpg

Tytanium
08-12-2011, 12:55 AM
For that price, I'd rather buy a nice, low mile Miata and save on maintenance and gas. Miata. You'll easily match the price of the car in maintenance by the time the 120k is due.

If I were going to buy a used Merc, I'd stay away from most things made after about 1995. It was about then that their customer satisfaction ratings plummeted from first place every year to near dead last.

Bwana
08-12-2011, 12:57 AM
For that price, I'd rather buy a nice, low mile Miata and save on maintenance and gas. Miata. You'll easily match the price of the car in maintenance by the time the 120k is due.

A Miata? Dude!

http://assets.creativity-online.com/images/work/large/b/u/d/budlight-dude07112934.jpg

Tytanium
08-12-2011, 01:00 AM
A Miata? Dude!

http://assets.creativity-online.com/images/work/large/b/u/d/budlight-dude07112934.jpg

If you've ever driven a Miata, you'd want one too. They have about 30 less HP than that supercharged C coupe, and they're about 10 times as much fun to drive.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 01:13 AM
If you have a sack of money for future repairs, go for it, if not, pass.

http://www.paperitfun.com/images/money.jpg
Heh, yeah. I've been reading reviews on kbb.com, and as like what's been mentioned already, it sounds like overall the reliability is good but IF something goes wrong...holy fuck look out. It's probably too risky for a primary vehicle, but it would make a great toy. I'm not sure that I'm ready for that shit again just yet.

One strange thing I read is that you only have to change the oil every 10k on these, I don't understand how that is possible.

Bwana
08-12-2011, 01:17 AM
Heh, yeah. I've been reading reviews on kbb.com, and as like what's been mentioned already, it sounds like overall the reliability is good but IF something goes wrong...holy **** look out. It's probably too risky for a primary vehicle, but it would make a great toy. I'm not sure that I'm ready for that shit again just yet.

One strange thing I read is that you only have to change the oil every 10k on these, I don't understand how that is possible.

You're right, the car is great "if" it's running well, but if issues start to develop, ouch. Have you considered a Miata? :evil:

griZZly64
08-12-2011, 01:31 AM
For the car, I can only echo the sentiments of others. Typically reliable but if you have to fix anything... it is extremely expensive.

Did find this though.

http://mbworld.org/forums/1637794-post5.html



Look at the cost of the 100k tuneup. Look at the miles on the car (94k). That sucker is about due a $2k balloon payment in about a year. Betcha that is the motivating factor in getting rid of it.

Who the fuck brings their car to the dealer? Shmucks lmao. 700 for brake pads.. thats hilarious. Go get your shit from an auto parts store. Thats like 7x regular price because youre fuckin with the dealer.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 01:33 AM
You're right, the car is great "if" it's running well, but if issues start to develop, ouch. Have you considered a Miata? :evil:
Probably going to have to pass on the Miata, although the most recent version of it is far less feminine that the original.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 01:35 AM
Who the fuck brings their car to the dealer? Shmucks lmao. 700 for brake pads.. thats hilarious. Go get your shit from an auto parts store. Thats like 7x regular price because youre fuckin with the dealer.
Well this may be a stupid question, but are M-B parts readily available at an auto parts store?

Bwana
08-12-2011, 01:37 AM
Probably going to have to pass on the Miata, although the most recent version of it is far less feminine that the original.

I guess I haven't seen the most most recent version. The old one's were either driven by chicks, or guys that like to hang out at the Blue Oyster.

Param
08-12-2011, 01:40 AM
I've always liked that car. But, I'd pass. Maintenance on that car, who wants to pay that?

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 01:45 AM
I guess I haven't seen the most most recent version. The old one's were either driven by chicks, or guys that like to hang out at the Blue Oyster.
I guess it's called the MX-5 now.

http://www.theautoabc.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/200909/7f7a4_2009_mazda_mx_5_miata.jpg

Silock
08-12-2011, 01:55 AM
I would PASS in a heartbeat. Nice car when new and when everything works, but those are smack in the middle of the years when reliability was beyond terrible.

Way too expensive to maintain.

Silock
08-12-2011, 01:56 AM
I guess it's called the MX-5 now.

http://www.theautoabc.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/200909/7f7a4_2009_mazda_mx_5_miata.jpg

Miatas are awesome. Fun to drive, and they get great gas mileage.

That being said, I wouldn't buy one again. I loved mine, but I much prefer my S2000.

Tytanium
08-12-2011, 01:57 AM
Well this may be a stupid question, but are M-B parts readily available at an auto parts store?

Not really. Dealer only.

What sucks about it is that now, the overwhelming majority of new Mercedes are manufactured in the US(in Alabama, no less), but parts are still imported from Europe.

The Miata has always been the MX-5 Miata. The new ones are pretty nice, and the fender flares make it more aggressive looking than the older ones. The 90's Miatas definitely aren't very masculine looking, but they're a hell of a lot of fun to drive.

edit: S2k would be my other roadster choice, but they're sooo much more expensive, and I'm too tall to fit in one.

Silock
08-12-2011, 02:03 AM
You can get an AP1 for less than 10k now. They're coming down to 2nd gen Miata prices.

The only bad thing about the Miata is they kept getting heavier as they got newer.

TinyEvel
08-12-2011, 02:12 AM
HEre you go, $7800 and change right now...

:D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-GTO-Matching-s-400-4speed-posi-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27bd515d34QQitemZ170679950644QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks#ht_14758wt_1167

pr_capone
08-12-2011, 02:21 AM
my stomach turns even suggesting this because of the name of the dealership but...

If a 4 door works for you...

http://www.raidernationautoplex.com/newandusedcars/5972/1230237/e60e8db1-4227-4215-996f-f6d148ba2254/none/2003-Volkswagen-Passat-Omaha-NE-68041.aspx

2003 VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT GLS
Vehicle Vin: WVWPD63B03P336018 Engine: 1.8L L4 DOHC 20V TURBO
Transmission: Automatic Color: Gray
Drive Train: FWD Mileage: 118,230

Are you actively looking for a car or is this just something that happened to spark your interest?

MIAdragon
08-12-2011, 02:39 AM
If you've ever driven a Miata, you'd want one too. They have about 30 less HP than that supercharged C coupe, and they're about 10 times as much fun to drive.

LOL, I dont think so.

MIAdragon
08-12-2011, 02:40 AM
I guess it's called the MX-5 now.

http://www.theautoabc.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/200909/7f7a4_2009_mazda_mx_5_miata.jpg

yup that sure screams all man now.

Param
08-12-2011, 02:44 AM
If you've ever driven a Miata, you'd want one too. They have about 30 less HP than that supercharged C coupe, and they're about 10 times as much fun to drive.

Very fun car to drive. The only thing lacking was the hp. Haven't driven a new one.

Param
08-12-2011, 02:45 AM
yup that sure screams all man now.

What is a man's car down in north cuba?

CrazyPhuD
08-12-2011, 03:13 AM
edit: S2k would be my other roadster choice, but they're sooo much more expensive, and I'm too tall to fit in one.

You might be surprised how easily you'll fit in one. I'm 6'2" and I have no issue in mine. I was actually more concerned about shoulder width. In th 03 the tried out before I bought my 04 I had to get the seat in the right place to have the shoulder room for the 04+ they made the door inserts a bit lower profile so I had no shoulder issues with any position. Plus if you want you can get a seat adapter that will drop the seat by 1 inch if you're too tall. I figure you'd have to be greater than 6'6" for height to matter.

PornChief
08-12-2011, 03:55 AM
it might be supercharged but it's still a 4 cylinder. Be a man and try get a V8 even if it costs you another few grand.

Silock
08-12-2011, 04:34 AM
You might be surprised how easily you'll fit in one. I'm 6'2" and I have no issue in mine. I was actually more concerned about shoulder width. In th 03 the tried out before I bought my 04 I had to get the seat in the right place to have the shoulder room for the 04+ they made the door inserts a bit lower profile so I had no shoulder issues with any position. Plus if you want you can get a seat adapter that will drop the seat by 1 inch if you're too tall. I figure you'd have to be greater than 6'6" for height to matter.

I, too, have an '04. ARE WE ESKIMO BROTHERS?!

Param
08-12-2011, 05:26 AM
And back to the topic, the car is old, mercedes doesn't even make them anymore, so why bother? It's not like it was a cool car that stand the test of time. It was a hatchback with a big sunroof. The vehicle failed and it's no longer.

griZZly64
08-12-2011, 05:48 AM
Well this may be a stupid question, but are M-B parts readily available at an auto parts store?

Yup. I have a 99 C280 and get all my parts from the auto parts store. MB tries to make it seem like you have to go to the dealer for maintenance but its not true. They do things like not putting a dip stick in the transmission oil but you can find a mechanic who owns one.

Renegade
08-12-2011, 06:21 AM
So some big shot at my wife's company is selling this car, and my wife is creaming in her jeans over it. I know Dodges, Toyotas and Chevys, I don't know anything about freaking Mercedes-Benzs. But it looks like a bitchin' ride.



Simple, take it for a "test drive" you and the wife, get her all worked up about it, then you can have your way with her

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 07:20 AM
my stomach turns even suggesting this because of the name of the dealership but...

If a 4 door works for you...

http://www.raidernationautoplex.com/newandusedcars/5972/1230237/e60e8db1-4227-4215-996f-f6d148ba2254/none/2003-Volkswagen-Passat-Omaha-NE-68041.aspx

2003 VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT GLS
Vehicle Vin: WVWPD63B03P336018 Engine: 1.8L L4 DOHC 20V TURBO
Transmission: Automatic Color: Gray
Drive Train: FWD Mileage: 118,230

Are you actively looking for a car or is this just something that happened to spark your interest?
Not really actively looking. Like I said earlier, we were thinking about doing something like this in the future, but I'd prefer to be able to keep her current car and we'd have to sell it to buy this. I think I've been sufficiently scared straight on this one though.

LiveSteam
08-12-2011, 08:22 AM
I cant believe you are having this conversation Bugs. Their is only 1 fun car for you. & it sure as hell wasn't made in Germany.

http://www.transamflorida.com/TRANSA381.jpg

Dayze
08-12-2011, 08:40 AM
the maintenance costs would be the only thing I would investigate a little further; check the maintenence schedule of that model car and compare to the actual mileage - see when the next big maintenence interval is. if the next maintenance window is like 40k miles down the road, you'd have plenty of time to plan for it.

I test drove a used Benz just like this; fun as hell. I ended up going with a VW Rabbit, which is also fun as hell. Has very similar performance; I think about 15 less HP with it's 5 Cylinder / naturall aspirated; cheaper fix etc. If I had a few more grand I would've gotten the GTI....oh well.

Good looking car though Bug; seems like a good ride etc / nothing on the surface that would deter a possible buy etc.

Good luck.

Sofa King
08-12-2011, 08:46 AM
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Damnit. i really wanted to find this scene, but when i did it was in some other fucking language that i'm sure not everyone is fluent in.

loochy
08-12-2011, 09:10 AM
19.5" chrome wheels

That looks a bit odd and out of place on that tiny little car.

loochy
08-12-2011, 09:11 AM
I cant believe you are having this conversation Bugs. Their is only 1 fun car for you. & it sure as hell wasn't made in Germany.

http://www.transamflorida.com/TRANSA381.jpg

You did it again.

LiveSteam
08-12-2011, 09:19 AM
You did it again.

I hate that word :banghead:

MIAdragon
08-12-2011, 09:25 AM
What is a man's car down in north cuba?

Now that I think about it, it IS a mans car, just a man who likes other men. While it may be a fun car to drive you cant ignore its feminine traits or allure to Adam and Steve.

MIAdragon
08-12-2011, 09:26 AM
You did it again.

LMAO

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
08-12-2011, 10:00 AM
Miatas are awesome. Fun to drive, and they get great gas mileage.

That being said, I wouldn't buy one again. I loved mine, but I much prefer my S2000.

I looked at the Miata and the S2000.

Miata SE - $23K, 23/27MPG
S2000 - $32K, 18/24 MPG

So, it's a slightly larger car, but I'm paying $10K more to get worse gas mileage?

I went with the Miata.

loochy
08-12-2011, 10:04 AM
I looked at the Miata and the S2000.

Miata SE - $23K, 23/27MPG
S2000 - $32K, 18/24 MPG

So, it's a slightly larger car, but I'm paying $10K more to get worse gas mileage?

I went with the Miata.

How did Miatas become synonymous with gay guys?

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
08-12-2011, 10:08 AM
How did Miatas become synonymous with gay guys?

Not a clue.

Personally, I suspect it's projection by guys who're secretly questioning their own sexual preferences.

loochy
08-12-2011, 10:11 AM
Not a clue.

Personally, I suspect it's projection by guys who're secretly questioning their own sexual preferences.

I find them much better than those stupid cube shaped cars with 10 inch wheels and 100 hp that kids nowdays drive.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
08-12-2011, 10:16 AM
I find them much better than those stupid cube shaped cars with 10 inch wheels and 100 hp that kids nowdays drive.

You mean the toaster-mobiles?

Yeah, those are "peculiar" looking at best.

Personally, I'd love to have a BMW Z-4 or a Jaguar XK, but since I'm not independently wealthy, the 2008 Miata will do me fine until it's time to get my next car (prob around 2018-2020.)

eazyb81
08-12-2011, 10:28 AM
I cant believe you are having this conversation Bugs. Their is only 1 fun car for you. & it sure as hell wasn't made in Germany.

http://www.transamflorida.com/TRANSA381.jpg

Ladies love t-tops.

Tytanium
08-12-2011, 10:58 AM
You might be surprised how easily you'll fit in one. I'm 6'2" and I have no issue in mine. I was actually more concerned about shoulder width. In th 03 the tried out before I bought my 04 I had to get the seat in the right place to have the shoulder room for the 04+ they made the door inserts a bit lower profile so I had no shoulder issues with any position. Plus if you want you can get a seat adapter that will drop the seat by 1 inch if you're too tall. I figure you'd have to be greater than 6'6" for height to matter.

I'm 6'8". I can just barely squeeze into a Miata, but the S2k is a no-go.

Halfcan
08-12-2011, 11:04 AM
Sorry I would not buy a Mercedes- the cost to fix the many things that go wrong on them far out weighs anything the car has to offer.

Pass.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:06 AM
Used MB= no warranty.
I have no idea what your situation is but do you know what upkeep/maintenance runs on MB?
Purchase price is just the beginning.
Do you have a MB dealer/MB certified repair facility near you?

Halfcan
08-12-2011, 11:19 AM
Used MB= no warranty.
I have no idea what your situation is but do you know what upkeep/maintenance runs on MB?
Purchase price is just the beginning.
Do you have a MB dealer/MB certified repair facility near you?

This :thumb:

And I would add- I really don't like the way they ride-their suspension sucks-you feel every bump in the road.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:30 AM
Now that I think about it, it IS a mans car, just a man who likes other men. While it may be a fun car to drive you cant ignore its feminine traits or allure to Adam and Steve.

Gotta' agree with you here. To each his own but......

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:31 AM
Bug, have you Carfaxed this bad boy?

threebag02
08-12-2011, 11:34 AM
you'd look good driving it while you wore a berret

eazyb81
08-12-2011, 11:35 AM
This :thumb:

And I would add- I really don't like the way they ride-their suspension sucks-you feel every bump in the road.

Are you referring to this model or MBs in general? Every Benz I've been in has felt like it had an amazing suspension.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:37 AM
Are you referring to this model or MBs in general? Every Benz I've been in has felt like it had an amazing suspension.

Uh, yeah.

eazyb81
08-12-2011, 11:47 AM
Uh, yeah.

Not sure what this means.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 11:51 AM
Not sure what this means.

MB touring sedan is the smoothest riding car in the world. You can set a glass of wine on the seat and not spill a drop.

Demonpenz
08-12-2011, 11:58 AM
I know people, in their obituaries they put that they drove a Mercedes Benz and have the years they drove it, BEFORE THEIR MILITARY SERVICE.

Silock
08-12-2011, 03:36 PM
I looked at the Miata and the S2000.

Miata SE - $23K, 23/27MPG
S2000 - $32K, 18/24 MPG

So, it's a slightly larger car, but I'm paying $10K more to get worse gas mileage?

I went with the Miata.

Uh, Miata - 160 hp, 15 sec quarter mile
S2000 - 240 hp, 13 second quarter mile

CrazyPhuD
08-12-2011, 03:54 PM
Uh, Miata - 160 hp, 15 sec quarter mile
S2000 - 240 hp, 13 second quarter mile

Well to be fair the 2.2L 04+ s2000 has about 255-260 HP stock. Neither are really drag cars, they are more road race cars. The advantage of the miata is that it weights ~400lbs less than the s2000, but the s2k is tighter and better tuned suspension wise stock. The miata parts are dirt cheap though if you stuff it tracking it. But ultimately the s2000 comes more track ready from the factory, and the engine has more NA potential than the mazda ones. Right now I'm pushing 250-260 to the wheels which is likely 300+ at the crank.

Silock
08-12-2011, 04:09 PM
Horsepower is the same between all model years of the S2000. The difference in the engines is down to a slightly different low-end torque curve and lower redline on the AP2. The F20C and the F22C produce the same 240 (237, really) hp.

I'm just saying that it's not just a matter of gas mileage. The S2000 is significantly more powerful and faster than the Miata.

MIAdragon
08-12-2011, 04:11 PM
Not a clue.

Personally, I suspect it's projection by guys who're secretly questioning their own sexual preferences.

LMAO keep telling yourself that.

Detoxing
08-12-2011, 05:00 PM
Though Miatas turn on a dime, they SCREAM homo. The only thing more gay than a dude driving a Miata is 4 meat-heads driving a red Mustang Convertible.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 05:32 PM
Used MB= no warranty.
Yeah, that's what worries me.

I have no idea what your situation is but do you know what upkeep/maintenance runs on MB?
Purchase price is just the beginning.
That's what I'm finding out. Obviously the high maintenance costs affect the value of used ones, the low price raised red flags right away to me.

Bug, have you Carfaxed this bad boy?
Fuck Carfax. Fucking worthless bullshit.

Detoxing
08-12-2011, 05:34 PM
Yeah, that's what worries me.


That's what I'm finding out. Obviously the high maintenance costs affect the value of used ones, the low price raised red flags right away to me.


**** Carfax. ****ing worthless bullshit.

I've HEARD that that was a bad era for MB, quality wise. That came from BMW/Porsche technicians to take it for what it's worth.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 05:41 PM
I've HEARD that that was a bad era for MB, quality wise. That came from BMW/Porsche technicians to take it for what it's worth.
Yeah from what I read it sounds like the interiors were very cheap and there are a lot of electrical failures with them. OTOH, I didn't see very many complaints about the mechanicals or performance.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 05:42 PM
**** Carfax. ****ing worthless bullshit.

Is Carfax not a useful tool? I honestly don't know.

Silock
08-12-2011, 05:47 PM
Yeah from what I read it sounds like the interiors were very cheap and there are a lot of electrical failures with them. OTOH, I didn't see very many complaints about the mechanicals or performance.

Electrical failures are way more annoying than mechanical problems, and just as expensive to fix.

Silock
08-12-2011, 05:47 PM
Is Carfax not a useful tool? I honestly don't know.

It can be, but it's no substitute for a good old fashioned inspection. So, it's nice to have, but don't rely on it.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 05:49 PM
Is Carfax not a useful tool? I honestly don't know.
As far as I'm concerned it's worthless. We got one when we bought the Mrs' current car, and it showed all the regular maintenance from the original dealer, a few minor repairs and nothing else. After we had it a couple months I noticed that most of the driver's side had been repainted, and it also leaks water every time it rains. So it was obviously in an accident of some significance, but there wasn't squat on the Carfax about it.

But ultimately, it's my own damn fault for not catching the paint part of it. Hell I even know what to look for, I just never bothered to look at it closely.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 05:50 PM
It can be, but it's no substitute for a good old fashioned inspection. So, it's nice to have, but don't rely on it.

Thanks. Other than my beater jeep I haven't bought a used car in 15 years; just don't want to take on other people's abuses.

vailpass
08-12-2011, 05:50 PM
As far as I'm concerned it's worthless. We got one when we bought the Mrs' current car, and it showed all the regular maintenance from the original dealer, a few minor repairs and nothing else. After we had it a couple months I noticed that most of the driver's side had been repainted, and it also leaks water every time it rains. So it was obviously in an accident of some significance, but there wasn't squat on the Carfax about it.

But ultimately, it's my own damn fault for not catching the paint part of it. Hell I even know what to look for, I just never bothered to look at it closely.

Makes sense, thanks. If they don't turn it in to insurance it wouldn't necessarily show on the report?

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 05:55 PM
Makes sense, thanks. If they don't turn it in to insurance it wouldn't necessarily show on the report?
I'm not really sure, but I suppose. What I suspect happened was the previous owner traded it in with the damage, and the dealer had it repaired. And naturally, they aren't going to disclose that information regarding a car they're trying to sell.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 05:56 PM
Electrical failures are way more annoying than mechanical problems, and just as expensive to fix.
You're preaching to the choir there, that's what really put the last nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.

Silock
08-12-2011, 05:56 PM
Makes sense, thanks. If they don't turn it in to insurance it wouldn't necessarily show on the report?

Body shops are supposed to report it regardless, but there are a lot of places that don't mind operating under the table, especially if there's cash involved.

Detoxing
08-12-2011, 05:58 PM
As far as I'm concerned it's worthless. We got one when we bought the Mrs' current car, and it showed all the regular maintenance from the original dealer, a few minor repairs and nothing else. After we had it a couple months I noticed that most of the driver's side had been repainted, and it also leaks water every time it rains. So it was obviously in an accident of some significance, but there wasn't squat on the Carfax about it.

But ultimately, it's my own damn fault for not catching the paint part of it. Hell I even know what to look for, I just never bothered to look at it closely.

Ughhh...hate it when that happens.

you get it home and you're like "FUCK, I can't believe I missed that!". I've had that happen once.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 06:06 PM
Ughhh...hate it when that happens.

you get it home and you're like "FUCK, I can't believe I missed that!". I've had that happen once.
Shit, I didn't notice it until I was backing my truck into the driveway next to it, and as I was watching it in my side mirror I thought the sun glare on the side of it looked kind of funny. So I opened the door and looked at the jambs and there was overspray all over them. Dead fucking giveaway right in front of my eyes and I completely missed it. I'd feel less bad about it if it was actually a good paint job.

griZZly64
08-12-2011, 06:16 PM
that sucks.. fuckin shisters... schemin all day every day

Buehler445
08-12-2011, 11:38 PM
Hey Bugs, it's RWD. That would bug me. Is yor wife cool with driving a RWD in the ice and snow up there? My wife drove a 2WD Ranger and it was beyond worthless in any winter wet stuff.

Just something to keep in mind.

Baconeater
08-12-2011, 11:50 PM
Hey Bugs, it's RWD. That would bug me. Is yor wife cool with driving a RWD in the ice and snow up there? My wife drove a 2WD Ranger and it was beyond worthless in any winter wet stuff.

Just something to keep in mind.
That was actually one of the first things we discussed, and yeah, it was going to be an issue. I already have one vehicle that is worthless in the snow.

Buehler445
08-12-2011, 11:56 PM
That was actually one of the first things we discussed, and yeah, it was going to be an issue. I already have one vehicle that is worthless in the snow.

I dunno, at this point in my life, luxury doesn't do much for me. I'm just looking for a solid comfortable ride.

Driving a Benz would be cool, but the RWD would be a dealbreaker for me.

LiveSteam
08-12-2011, 11:57 PM
By all means buy that car. Then drive it all over Werner Park baseball field

Baconeater
08-13-2011, 12:02 AM
I dunno, at this point in my life, luxury doesn't do much for me. I'm just looking for a solid comfortable ride.

Driving a Benz would be cool, but the RWD would be a dealbreaker for me.
That's pretty much how we've always been, but we're going through the mid-life crisis thing here.

Baconeater
08-13-2011, 12:03 AM
By all means buy that car. Then drive it all over Werner Park baseball field
You could do way more damage with that monstrosity of a truck you own.

LiveSteam
08-13-2011, 12:09 AM
You could do way more damage with that monstrosity of a truck you own.

Why is it a monstrosity? It runs great. Has lil to no rust at all. could use a new front windshield

T-post Tom
08-13-2011, 12:10 AM
Germans don't know shit about engineering or quality cars. I'd go Yugoslavian if I were you.

Baconeater
08-13-2011, 12:13 AM
Why is it a monstrosity? It runs great. Has lil to no rust at all. could use a new front windshield
It's like 35 feet long, probably weighs six tons and has a big loud diesel engine in it.

T-post Tom
08-13-2011, 12:15 AM
It's like 35 feet long, probably weighs six tons and has a big loud diesel engine in it.

Livesteam, You drive Linsay Lohan's vibrator?

LiveSteam
08-13-2011, 12:18 AM
Livesteam, You drive Linsay Lohan's vibrator?
THAT IS ONE HELL OF A THING FOR YOU TO GO & SAY TO ME.

T-post Tom
08-13-2011, 12:20 AM
THAT IS ONE HELL OF A THING FOR YOU TO GO & SAY TO ME.

I'm high on cough syrup. I apologize.

LiveSteam
08-13-2011, 12:21 AM
I'm high on cough syrup. I apologize.

pff its ok. Im stoned on pot.

T-post Tom
08-13-2011, 12:27 AM
pff its ok. Im stoned on pot.

Careful: Bugeater works undercover for the DEA.

LiveSteam
08-13-2011, 12:38 AM
Anything under an ounce is pretty much legal in Nebraska.
Just 1 more reason to cheer the Huskers on to victory

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
08-13-2011, 12:41 AM
Uh, Miata - 160 hp, 15 sec quarter mile
S2000 - 240 hp, 13 second quarter mile

Since I gave up "racing the quarter mile" after I turned 18, that's really not that important to me.

The MX-5 is more than powerful enough when I take it through the Shenandoah Valley or down some of the back roads here in MD. I don't have any need or desire to try and hit 120 on some interstate. I'll leave that up to the Organ Donors (aka the crotch rocket motorcyclists).

Buehler445
08-13-2011, 12:45 AM
That's pretty much how we've always been, but we're going through the mid-life crisis thing here.

I went through that when I was 22. I'm getting to be an old man now.

LiveSteam
08-13-2011, 12:45 AM
WTH is an S2000?
13 second 1/4 mile aint nothing to shake your head at.
If I remember right? Thats about what the Grand national T type did with a twin turbo V6

Baconeater
08-13-2011, 01:08 AM
WTH is an S2000?
13 second 1/4 mile aint nothing to shake your head at.
If I remember right? Thats about what the Grand national T type did with a twin turbo V6
S2000 is a Honda roadster.

http://www.thetorquereport.com/hondas2000types.jpg

Silock
08-13-2011, 01:10 AM
Since I gave up "racing the quarter mile" after I turned 18, that's really not that important to me.

The MX-5 is more than powerful enough when I take it through the Shenandoah Valley or down some of the back roads here in MD. I don't have any need or desire to try and hit 120 on some interstate. I'll leave that up to the Organ Donors (aka the crotch rocket motorcyclists).

I only mentioned it because it's an indication of how the S2000 uses its power advantage over the Miata. Even in the curvy roads, the S2000 will run away from the Miata. And forget about racing on the interstate -- just look at racing, in general. Say you take the car out to a track day somewhere on a road course. The S2000 will eat the Miata for breakfast.

You framed the comparison strictly in terms of gas mileage, which is ridiculous because it completely ignores the performance advantages the S2000 enjoys over the Miata.

If you like the Miata because it suits you better and you don't really care about being any faster than that, that's one thing. But it's not just about gas mileage.

Silock
08-13-2011, 01:11 AM
13 second 1/4 mile aint nothing to shake your head at.

It is now. The S2000 is pretty slow compared to the newer roadsters out. At the time, it was one of the quicker ones, though.

Is it bad if I consider 13s in the quarter slow? I'd take a GNX in a heartbeat.

Silock
08-13-2011, 01:15 AM
S2000 is a Honda roadster.

http://www.thetorquereport.com/hondas2000types.jpg

God, that wing is hideous. Good thing they didn't come with those. Or those seats ROFL

http://www.alliancemotorgroup.com/cars/2008_01_10_04_yellow_s2000/images/yellow_s2000_top.jpg

Baconeater
08-13-2011, 01:18 AM
Yeah I was looking at the pics and had no idea if any of them were even stock. I can't say that I know a whole lot about them.

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
08-13-2011, 01:19 AM
I only mentioned it because it's an indication of how the S2000 uses its power advantage over the Miata. Even in the curvy roads, the S2000 will run away from the Miata. And forget about racing on the interstate -- just look at racing, in general. Say you take the car out to a track day somewhere on a road course. The S2000 will eat the Miata for breakfast.

You framed the comparison strictly in terms of gas mileage, which is ridiculous because it completely ignores the performance advantages the S2000 enjoys over the Miata.

If you like the Miata because it suits you better and you don't really care about being any faster than that, that's one thing. But it's not just about gas mileage.

Actually, given the price of premium gas, (been over $4 a gallon here in MD almost all summer), it absolutely is about the gas mileage - and the extra $10K for the car.

I'm glad you're happy with the increased performance.

Since I'll never take my car out on a track and have no intention of ever racing it competitively, it really doesn't matter to me. The Miata gets me from point a to point b with a hell of a lot more pep than my pick-up did and its fun to drive on windy back roads. I'm perfectly satisfied with my choice.

Silock
08-13-2011, 01:27 AM
Actually, given the price of premium gas, (been over $4 a gallon here in MD almost all summer), it absolutely is about the gas mileage - and the extra $10K for the car.

Yeah, that extra $2 every 2 weeks is a real deal-breaker . . .

And the $10k extra was only when new. They don't even make S2000s any longer. Relatively equally equipped, both cars used run about the same amount of money.

A new 6-spd Miata now will run you $30k. If you want one with a retractable hard top, it's even more. And that's still with only 170 hp.

Param
08-13-2011, 03:01 PM
Yeah, that extra $2 every 2 weeks is a real deal-breaker . . .

And the $10k extra was only when new. They don't even make S2000s any longer. Relatively equally equipped, both cars used run about the same amount of money.

A new 6-spd Miata now will run you $30k. If you want one with a retractable hard top, it's even more. And that's still with only 170 hp.

They still and probably always will keep the HP down. Can't remember if they ever released a mazdaspeed miata in America or ever made one.

Also, favorite thing about the Miata. Get off work or out of class, drop the top down in 1 second. Cruise down the road and everything just feels good.

That's cool you own a S2000. Always wanted one of those.

And I like the MR2 Spyder. Both of these cars should've stayed in the game.

Baconeater
08-13-2011, 03:51 PM
What about the Sky/Solstice, are either of those worth a shit? And are they girl cars or guy cars?

MIAdragon
08-13-2011, 04:05 PM
What about the Sky/Solstice, are either of those worth a shit? And are they girl cars or guy cars?

you're on a slippery slope but def not in Miaita territory.

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Baconeater
08-13-2011, 04:18 PM
Yeah it's pretty dicey. Saturn seems to be more of a girl brand and Sky is definitely a girly name, but they don't look feminine to me. The Sky looks like a badass little ride to be honest.

And was that car in the video supercharged or some shit?

MIAdragon
08-13-2011, 04:22 PM
Yeah it's pretty dicey. Saturn seems to be more of a girl brand and Sky is definitely a girly name, but they don't look feminine to me. The Sky looks like a badass little ride to be honest.

And was that car in the video supercharged or some shit?

A turbo V8, the V8 swap with these cars are quite common.

Baconeater
08-13-2011, 04:29 PM
A turbo V8, the V8 swap with these cars are quite common.
Oh hell, a V8 in one of those would be the shit. Although 900hp is probably a bit more than I need.

Silock
08-13-2011, 08:33 PM
They still and probably always will keep the HP down. Can't remember if they ever released a mazdaspeed miata in America or ever made one.

Also, favorite thing about the Miata. Get off work or out of class, drop the top down in 1 second. Cruise down the road and everything just feels good.

That's cool you own a S2000. Always wanted one of those.

And I like the MR2 Spyder. Both of these cars should've stayed in the game.

They did make a Mazdaspeed Miata. I almost bought one, but the internals just weren't as strong as they should have been to allow for more boost.

I always wanted to make a Flyin' Miata, too. Those things are SCARY fast.

MR2 Spyders are awesome. I always wanted one of those, too.