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DaFace
08-12-2011, 04:30 PM
This oughtta be fun...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-forgotten-man-behind-the-Chiefs-plan.html

The forgotten man behind the Chiefs' plan

While GM Scott Pioli and HC Todd Haley impressively transformed the Chiefs from a 2-14, AFC West cellar dweller to a 10-6, division champion, Carl Peterson deserves his share of credit as well.

Peterson, the Chiefs president and general manager for 20 years, drafted many of the major components on the current squad, including WR Dwayne Bowe, CB Brandon Carr, RB Jamaal Charles, CB Brandon Flowers, LB Tamba Hali and LB Derrick Johnson.

“They’re very talented,” Peterson told NFP. “They’re going to help the continuing foundation of the Chiefs for years to come, and that was the plan.”

After HC Dick Vermeil left, Peterson and his staff saw an aging roster. They tried to infuse it with young players through the draft, which would translate to losses in the present but pay dividends in the future.

“We knew we were going to take some lumps for a few years,” Peterson said. “But to make the changeover, you’ve got to bite the bullet.”

Charles — selected with a third-round pick obtained in the DE Jared Allen trade — is the gem of Peterson’s draft haul. Peterson knew Charles had elite speed but had to determine whether he was a track star in pads or a football player who could run.

Mack Brown, Charles’ coach at Texas, told Peterson that he was tough as nails and a true football player. Despite his lack of size and penchant for fumbles, Charles would be a great pro, Brown said.

Of Bowe, Peterson said his abilities were off the chart and that his performance always was a matter of focus.

“Lord, what a receiver,” he said, “I’m very proud of Dwayne.”

Does Peterson, who was criticized after the Chiefs won six cumulative games during his last two seasons in 2007 and 2008, feel validated by the performances of the players he selected?

“I don’t know that validation’s the right word,” he said. “I’m certainly exceedingly proud of those people that were involved in drafting those players and I’m proud of those players. … You love to see them grow and mature.”

Following the Chiefs from afar

Peterson amassed a 176-141-1 record with the Chiefs and reached the playoffs nine times, but he takes the most pride in the way he reinvigorated the fan base. Under his watch, the Chiefs sold out 149 consecutive home games and had season-ticket holders from 48 states.

“It was a wonderful run,” he said. “We had such fun.”

His lone regret is that he never brought the Lamar Hunt Trophy — awarded to the winner of the AFC championship game — home to Lamar Hunt, the late Chiefs owner.

And though Peterson does not scour the sports page for Chiefs news, he openly pulls for his former team.

“I’m always going to root for the Chiefs,” he said.

Much of the administrative staff under Peterson has moved on, but he does keep in contact with former players. He frequently texts TE Tony Gonzalez. Peterson knows Haley’s father, Dick, well. They served as player personnel directors for their respective Pennsylvania teams (Dick with the Steelers and Peterson with the Eagles) at the same time.

Peterson lives full-time in New York but maintains a condo in Kansas City, Mo. where his wife, Lori, works for Populous, an architecture firm.

She visits New York on the weekends, and Peterson returns to Kansas City about once a month. He has not yet attended a Chiefs game since his resignation but said he looks forward to doing so.

He, however, toured the renovated Arrowhead Stadium while attending last season’s Missouri-Kansas football game. The “border war” game is played annually at Arrowhead, and setting up that college match was very important to Lamar Hunt, a former Cotton Bowl board member.

Peterson speaks reverentially of Hunt, whose name he repeatedly invokes.

Peterson’s post-Chiefs career

Though he mentions the past, Peterson’s present is busy and fulfilling.

“When I stepped down from the Chiefs, I thought I was going to kick back,” he said. “But I’ve picked up three different things.”

He serves as an associate for New York-based FanVision, which is owned by Dolphins owner Steven Ross. Used in 12 NFL stadiums, its wireless, handheld device lets fans view special game angles, instant replay, fantasy football information and other NFL games.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell asked Peterson to succeed the late Jack Kemp as chairman of the board for USA Football, the sport’s national governing body. The non-profit organization helps develop youth football and awards $1 million in annual equipment grants.

In addition Peterson is a partner at Vermeil Wines, a Napa Valley, Calif. venture of his friend and former coach.

Though he enjoys his life, would he consider returning to the NFL?

“I get asked that quite often,” Peterson said. “You never say never, or you never say no. It would have to be quite a unique situation similar to what Lamar gave me … I don’t know if that exists.”

SNR
08-12-2011, 04:31 PM
:Lin:

MIAdragon
08-12-2011, 04:33 PM
http://recruiterpoet.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/suicide1.jpg

Sofa King
08-12-2011, 04:34 PM
Nope. Not reading all that.

Mr. Laz
08-12-2011, 04:35 PM
http://www.godieinafire.com/Pics/Misc/diaf.jpg?dur=4310

petegz28
08-12-2011, 04:36 PM
http://recruiterpoet.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/suicide1.jpg

LMAO

Fish
08-12-2011, 04:36 PM
Nope. Not reading all that.

Lucky you. I read the whole article.

Now I have AIDS....

BossChief
08-12-2011, 04:37 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little

Deberg_1990
08-12-2011, 04:37 PM
This doesnt even justify a response. :facepalm:

Mr. Laz
08-12-2011, 04:37 PM
Lucky you. I read the whole article.

Now I have AIDS....
:LOL:

keg in kc
08-12-2011, 04:37 PM
He does deserve the credit for drafting those handful of players. Just as he deserves credit for the 66% of the roster that had to be canned and replaced with people who actually belonged on an NFL field.

On the flip side, I think Pioli, Haley and the rest deserve a degree of credit, both for retaining the players they did and for developing them and coaching them up in the new systems. Dorsey and Hali were both seen as bad fits for a 3-4 and they're the two best players in the front 7. DJ had been all but written-off by everyone, then he was benched and everyone criticized Haley, then last year he has the best year of his career and earns a new contract. And Bowe. A stud from the start, but Haley had him on playing on another level last year, after a tough first season of motivation and focus. Charles was basically an afterthought until 2009, now he's viewed by many as one of the best backs in the league.

So I give credit to Peterson for getting those guys. And I give credit to Pioli for retaining them and hiring a staff that's turned them into the players that they are today. It doesn't have to be a mutually-exclusive thing.

Mr. Laz
08-12-2011, 04:37 PM
finally a topic that can draw a CP consensus :D

OnTheWarpath58
08-12-2011, 04:38 PM
The 2nd line is all I care about. He absolutely deserves credit for drafting the core of the current team.

The rest of it? Meh.

KCTitus
08-12-2011, 04:38 PM
Didnt see that coming...I thought it was Herm Edwards who was behind the plan.

Deberg_1990
08-12-2011, 04:40 PM
Well we might as well give Credit to CP for hiring Herm so he could run the team into the ground, giving us higher draft picks! Im sure that was the plan.

listopencil
08-12-2011, 04:40 PM
This oughtta be fun...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-forgotten-man-behind-the-Chiefs-plan.html

Vermeil Wines? That's just too easy.

chefsos
08-12-2011, 04:41 PM
http://www.lewerke.com/cp_therapy/

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=176117&page=2

BossChief
08-12-2011, 04:42 PM
The 2nd line is all I care about. He absolutely deserves credit for drafting the core of the current team.

The rest of it? Meh.

I guess it depends on who you believe was calling the shots on draft day in 08.

Hali, Bowe and DJ...absolutely Carls credit...the rest, I dont think he had much to do with it.

The horse is dead and totally decomposed though, so Im not gonna waste any time beating a horse skeleton.

CoMoChief
08-12-2011, 04:44 PM
that 2008 draft is what's giving us most of the success we're having now, there's no question about that.

however, Peterson should have left when DV did.....could make the argument that he should have left when marty did.

Brock
08-12-2011, 04:47 PM
I wish I could forget him. But then I accidentally go and read the draft history of this team from 1990 to 2007 and feel like vomiting.

Pestilence
08-12-2011, 04:48 PM
Wasn't it Herm Edwards that picked Carr?

keg in kc
08-12-2011, 04:49 PM
that 2008 draft is what's giving us most of the success we're having now, there's no question about that.The 2008 draft may provide the core of the team, but the success they're having is much more due to the decisions made since 2009. They've trimmed the fat that Peterson filled his rosters with, the cast-off older players that rarely found a home anywhere else in the league once they left, and filled it with younger, faster, more talented personnel.

Deberg_1990
08-12-2011, 04:51 PM
The 2008 draft may provide the core of the team, but the success they're having is much more due to the decisions made since 2009. They've trimmed the fat that Peterson filled his rosters with, the cast-off older players that rarely found a home anywhere else in the league once they left, and filled it with younger, faster, more talented personnel.

Can anyone imagine non talents like Eric Hicks, Warfield and Bartee sticking around for as long as they did in the current Pioli era?? Thats what is so refreshing.

Extra Point
08-12-2011, 04:52 PM
Vermeil Wines? That's just too easy.

The partnership of Whiff and Sniff must prevail! Although, they will accommodate an 86 vintage, upon request.

gblowfish
08-12-2011, 04:58 PM
After reading that story I threw up in my mouth a little....

BossChief
08-12-2011, 05:00 PM
Wasn't it Herm Edwards that picked Carr?

Drafting Brandon Carr was Herm Edwards birthday present.

BossChief
08-12-2011, 05:01 PM
After reading that story I threw up in my mouth a little....

repost

Shaid
08-12-2011, 05:02 PM
Dammit Carl!:cuss:

SPATCH
08-12-2011, 05:08 PM
mods, please move this to somewhere

BossChief
08-12-2011, 05:14 PM
mods, please move this to somewhere

yeah, like the trash can

ChiefaRoo
08-12-2011, 05:17 PM
http://recruiterpoet.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/suicide1.jpg

Best pic post evah!

Count Alex's Wins
08-12-2011, 05:22 PM
“It was a wonderful run,” he said. “We had such fun.”


Seafood cocktail, crabs, crayfish... (we've got big balls of them all)

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 05:33 PM
2008 was all Bill Kuharich and Herm.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-12-2011, 05:43 PM
Unless Carl shows up, we may have a rare CP consensus.

HC_Chief
08-12-2011, 05:45 PM
After reading that story I threw up in my mouth a little....

+1

FNFP & FCP.

BossChief
08-12-2011, 05:46 PM
2008 was all Bill Kuharich and Herm.

this is my belief as well

BigRock
08-12-2011, 05:48 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/11jyuzq.gif

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 05:49 PM
http://i56.tinypic.com/11jyuzq.gif
Tyler sucks as much as Carl Peterson.

BossChief
08-12-2011, 05:52 PM
is that shawn michaels in your avatar?

DTLB58
08-12-2011, 05:55 PM
2008 was all Bill Kuharich and Herm.

Yea, I think the author credited or interviewed the wrong guy(s).

RedThat
08-12-2011, 05:56 PM
I give Herm credit for drafting Brandon Carr.

Brandon Carr, what a great draft pick! The guy has come such a long way. To be taken in the 5th round from a small school in Grand Valley State and to develop into a VERY solid corner is a thing of beauty to see.

As much as Herm was a bad coach, I've always thought his speciality was scouting and coaching defensive backs. I believe that was what he did best.

Herm literally took Carr under his wing and coached him up. He only got better and better during the Herm era. Mind you though, he did have some bumps along the way with a few bad games here and there. But that is expected from a 5th round developmental prospect. The development isn't always going to be smooth sailing.

Better yet, after Herm left, Pioli and Haley hired imo one of the best DB coaches in the league in Emmitt Thomas. And Carr's career just took off and he got even better. The guy is constantly ascending and becoming one of the better corners out there. I love it!

Brandon Carr is like that seed you plant in your backyard. Give it all the proper nutrients necessary that it needs and it will grow and blossom into a nice flower.

DTLB58
08-12-2011, 05:56 PM
yeah, like the trash can

:thumb:

DTLB58
08-12-2011, 06:04 PM
He does deserve the credit for drafting those handful of players. Just as he deserves credit for the 66% of the roster that had to be canned and replaced with people who actually belonged on an NFL field.

On the flip side, I think Pioli, Haley and the rest deserve a degree of credit, both for retaining the players they did and for developing them and coaching them up in the new systems. Dorsey and Hali were both seen as bad fits for a 3-4 and they're the two best players in the front 7. DJ had been all but written-off by everyone, then he was benched and everyone criticized Haley, then last year he has the best year of his career and earns a new contract. And Bowe. A stud from the start, but Haley had him on playing on another level last year, after a tough first season of motivation and focus. Charles was basically an afterthought until 2009, now he's viewed by many as one of the best backs in the league.

So I give credit to Peterson for getting those guys. And I give credit to Pioli for retaining them and hiring a staff that's turned them into the players that they are today. It doesn't have to be a mutually-exclusive thing.

First off, Nice job!
Secondly, I agree. Those players were drafted under another regime but the current one has made them into what they are, true NFL players with a chance to be Champions. I'm pretty sure that wasn't going to happen under the old coaching staff.

BigRedChief
08-12-2011, 06:05 PM
This oughtta be fun...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-forgotten-man-behind-the-Chiefs-plan.htmlhttp://www.forumspile.com/Shit-SmellsLike.jpg

Reaper16
08-12-2011, 06:18 PM
is that shawn michaels in your avatar?
CM Punk, mane.

Count Alex's Wins
08-12-2011, 06:19 PM
I give Herm credit for drafting Brandon Carr.

Brandon Carr, what a great draft pick! The guy has come such a long way. To be taken in the 5th round from a small school in Grand Valley State and to develop into a VERY solid corner is a thing of beauty to see.

As much as Herm was a bad coach, I've always thought his speciality was scouting and coaching defensive backs. I believe that was what he did best.

Herm literally took Carr under his wing and coached him up. He only got better and better during the Herm era. Mind you though, he did have some bumps along the way with a few bad games here and there. But that is expected from a 5th round developmental prospect. The development isn't always going to be smooth sailing.

Better yet, after Herm left, Pioli and Haley hired imo one of the best DB coaches in the league in Emmitt Thomas. And Carr's career just took off and he got even better. The guy is constantly ascending and becoming one of the better corners out there. I love it!

Brandon Carr is like that seed you plant in your backyard. Give it all the proper nutrients necessary that it needs and it will grow and blossom into a nice flower.

AMAZING REVELATIONS WITHIN THIS POST

HERETOFORE UNTOLD FOOTBALL TAKES

ZOUNDS!

the Talking Can
08-12-2011, 06:29 PM
i'd rip Carl's face off and shit on his teeth, if given the chance

HC_Chief
08-12-2011, 06:30 PM
i'd rip Carl's face off and shit on his teeth, if given the chance

hahaha; don't know why but this made me laugh hysterically :D

notorious
08-12-2011, 07:13 PM
Carl did hand the keys to the Sports Car to Herm. He deserves a lot of credit.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-13-2011, 09:10 AM
Carl did hand the keys to the Sports Car to Herm. He deserves a lot of credit.

Herm took a wrong turn on the interstate and crashed it head on into oncoming traffic.

Messier
08-13-2011, 09:16 AM
I credit Herm for the 06-08 drafts. Everyone said it at the time, Herm is a good talent evaluator, bad coach. In fact, I know Herm has a good thing going as an analyst, but some team should make him their head of scouting.

milkman
08-13-2011, 09:46 AM
The 2nd line is all I care about. He absolutely deserves credit for drafting the core of the current team.

The rest of it? Meh.

Before I get to the post above, I want to address the article, and Carl taking credit for the change of direction if this team.

That would never have happened under Carl's watch had Herman fucking Edwards not gone over Carl's head to Clark Hunt and sold him on that plan.

To your post, path, that draft belongs to Bill Kuharich and Chuck Cook, not Carl.

At that point, Clark had simply turned into a figurehead.

I credit Herm for the 06-08 drafts. Everyone said it at the time, Herm is a good talent evaluator, bad coach. In fact, I know Herm has a good thing going as an analyst, but some team should make him their head of scouting.

Again, as I said above, that draft was on Kuharich and Cook.

Herman fucking Edwards was a spectator who apparently got a birthday gift.

milkman
08-13-2011, 09:49 AM
This is what you said.

I give Herm credit for drafting Brandon Carr.

Brandon Carr, what a great draft pick! The guy has come such a long way. To be taken in the 5th round from a small school in Grand Valley State and to develop into a VERY solid corner is a thing of beauty to see.

As much as Herm was a bad coach, I've always thought his speciality was scouting and coaching defensive backs. I believe that was what he did best.

Herm literally took Carr under his wing and coached him up. He only got better and better during the Herm era. Mind you though, he did have some bumps along the way with a few bad games here and there. But that is expected from a 5th round developmental prospect. The development isn't always going to be smooth sailing.

Better yet, after Herm left, Pioli and Haley hired imo one of the best DB coaches in the league in Emmitt Thomas. And Carr's career just took off and he got even better. The guy is constantly ascending and becoming one of the better corners out there. I love it!

Brandon Carr is like that seed you plant in your backyard. Give it all the proper nutrients necessary that it needs and it will grow and blossom into a nice flower.

This is what I read.

I use a lot of words to make obvious points and say nothing at all.

BigChiefFan
08-13-2011, 09:52 AM
This article sucks. Credit to Carl? Oh Jeez. Yeah, he's so great other teams have just been falling over themselves to hire him. Carl was an incompetent boob. 19 years of futility.

Messier
08-13-2011, 09:54 AM
Before I get to the post above, I want to address the article, and Carl taking credit for the change of direction if this team.

That would never have happened under Carl's watch had Herman ****ing Edwards not gone over Carl's head to Clark Hunt and sold him on that plan.

To your post, path, that draft belongs to Bill Kuharich and Chuck Cook, not Carl.

At that point, Clark had simply turned into a figurehead.



Again, as I said above, that draft was on Kuharich and Cook.

Herman ****ing Edwards was a spectator who apparently got a birthday gift.

They were there before Herm for some awful drafts, maybe no one listened to them before. Who listened this time?

milkman
08-13-2011, 10:02 AM
They were there before Herm for some awful drafts, maybe no one listened to them before. Who listened this time?

Clark Hunt.

Al Bundy
08-13-2011, 10:03 AM
2008 was all Bill Kuharich and Herm.

I used to work with Bill's wife, he was a good dude.

Messier
08-13-2011, 10:44 AM
Clark Hunt.

Then that's a good thing. And hopefully from now on we'll have more good drafts than bad.