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KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 01:01 AM
The congressman and presidential hopeful, whose warnings on the economy brought eye rolls four years ago, now hears validation from other candidates. He could shake up the GOP contest.

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By Seema Mehta, Los Angeles Times

August 13, 2011
Reporting from Cedar Rapids, Iowa—
Laura Burkett, a conservative Republican from Coralville, Iowa, didn't give Ron Paul a second thought in the 2008 presidential contest, turned off by his calls for an end to military action around the globe and unswayed by his warnings that the nation was teetering on economic implosion.

"I really thought he was a nut," Burkett said. "Everything he said, I thought, 'This is ridiculous.'"

Four years later, reeling from the nation's fiscal decline and what she says is an unprecedented federal expansion into Americans' lives, Burkett is an ardent supporter who plans to do anything she can to make the Texas congressman the GOP nominee.

People like Burkett show how far Paul's candidacy has come from four years ago, and signal the potential he has to shake up the GOP contest, most immediately at Saturday's Ames straw poll.

While few political experts believe Paul can win the nomination, it's clear that his core concerns — the devaluation of currency, the monetization of debt, derision of the federal reserve, unnecessary militarism — have moved from a fringy outpost into the mainstream of Republican thought. They are echoed by other GOP candidates.

Michele Bachmann recently said, "Ron Paul was right; we should audit the Fed!" Tim Pawlenty frequently decries the federal government's printing of money and the debt the nation owes to China. "Tea party" gatherings routinely feature speakers calling for the country to return to the gold standard. Concerns about America being involved in "endless wars" percolate among Republican voters.

At Thursday's GOP debate in Ames, Iowa, where several candidates called for auditing the Federal Reserve, Paul acknowledged the shift. "I'm delighted that mainstream is catching up with this these days for auditing the Fed," he said. "This is great."

It's quite a change from four years ago, when Paul made similar statements during a 2008 GOP debate as rivals John McCain and Mitt Romney smirked and appeared to be fighting laughter in the background.

Paul told reporters he didn't want to claim any personal vindication, but his son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), quickly disagreed.

"We should do some gloating," said the Kentucky senator. "The slogan for the campaign should be, 'Ron Paul was right.' He predicted the housing boom, he predicted the housing crisis, the massive debt crisis we're in now."

The elder Paul, 75, has been in Congress for 21 years in three stints. He has run for president twice previously — in addition to his 2008 bid, he was the Libertarian Party's nominee in 1988. His career as an obstetrician and his opposition to legislation that he believes is not authorized by the Constitution have earned him the nickname "Dr. No."

Paul has announced he will not seek reelection to the House.

Over the years, Paul has been a prodigious fundraiser and has inspired a cult-like band of followers, including hordes of college students and young adults.

Chad Potratz, a dairy manager at a Hy-Vee grocery store, said he has supported Paul since seeing him featured in a video called "America: Freedom to Fascism." After Paul dropped out of the GOP race in 2008, Potratz wrote in his name on the general-election ballot.

"I feel he is the only one telling the truth," Potratz, 42, said after seeing Paul speak in Waterloo, Iowa.

Paul's supporters frequently show up en masse to push him to victories at various straw polls across the nation. But the straw poll in Ames is different, with voting limited to Iowa residents who will be 18 by the 2012 election.

His last campaign largely relied on his acolytes, and he came in fifth in Ames with 1,305 votes.

But Paul's plan this time around is different.

"His campaign was the first to have an office. He's got a young but I think talented campaign manager and good campaign staff. He's got advisors who understand the caucuses, and he is putting together a pretty impressive county organization," said Craig Robinson, editor of the Iowa Republican, a website.


"That puts him in a good position" going into the straw poll, Robinson said.

In Ames, Paul is subsidizing the $30 entry free to the poll, and giving away some tickets. He has air-conditioned buses bringing in supporters from around the state to the Iowa State campus. He purchased rights to the most choice — and priciest — tent location on campus, where he will feed his supporters barbecue.

Paul held a telephone town hall with Iowans on Sunday, and on Thursday wrapped up a three-day, six-city swing. He said he was hopeful that he would finish in the top three of the straw poll.

"We came in fifth last time, a decent showing for not having done much work there. If we come in fifth this time, it is a big loss and I have to recognize that," he said during the telephone town hall. "If we bomb on this, it won't be very good for us."

The straw poll is not a predictor of who will win the caucuses or the nomination, but it does provide momentum to a candidate who beats expectations, or can trigger a campaign death spiral to those who fail to meet them. Some Republicans worry privately about what a Paul victory might mean for the straw poll's already shaky legitimacy, though others are quick to note that the institution has survived previous wins by candidates who had no shot at the nomination, such as Pat Robertson's first-place finish in 1987.

A win by Paul would give cover to other candidates who are expected to do well, said Tim Hagle, a political scientist at the University of Iowa.

"If Ron Paul does well, his opponents can discount that success by saying, 'We know his supporters are loyal, we know the turn out for straw polls, he's done this before,'" he said. "Ron Paul can say, 'Hey, more people are joining us.' Both sides can play it differently."

At the congressman's events, in addition to his longtime supporters, there are recent converts, such as Doug Nassif, 65, of Cedar Rapids. The rug importer, who saw Paul speak in Cedar Rapids, said he voted for Obama in 2008, but plans to support Paul this time.

"I'll vote for anybody who is going to get us the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya," he said.

During Paul's Iowa swing, there seemed to be a bit of laying the groundwork passing the mantle as Rand Paul introduced his father and then took questions from the media alongside his dad.

Rand Paul punted when asked whether he would consider a 2016 presidential run if his father was unsuccessful.

"Am I crazy?" he said, laughing. "One Paul at a time. This year it's Ron Paul."


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ron-paul-20110813,0,5439557.story?page=2

nstygma
08-13-2011, 01:44 AM
Mr. Paul, how much longer till we switch to the Amero?

KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 02:30 AM
Poll Gate: Anderson Cooper Defends Ron Paul & Exposes CNN's Fraud... on CNN (Video Parody)

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Taco John
08-13-2011, 03:20 AM
Poll Gate: Anderson Cooper Defends Ron Paul & Exposes CNN's Fraud... on CNN (Video Parody)

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It cracks me up that they think they can misrepresent their online polls without raising the ire of the supporters and entrenching them even further into his candidacy.

JohnnyV13
08-13-2011, 05:15 AM
I'd certainly vote for Paul ahead of Michelle Bachmann.

Bachmann is a nutjob loon.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 06:56 AM
It cracks me up that they think they can misrepresent their online polls without raising the ire of the supporters and entrenching them even further into his candidacy.

Fox had one up the morning after showing Paul won the debate in a landslide.
Someone told me it was taken down. LMAO

CoMoChief
08-13-2011, 07:26 AM
Paul needs to win this nomination if this country truly wants to get back on the right track.

god what I would give to see an Obama/Paul debate. Paul would put a clown suit on Obama.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 07:29 AM
Paul needs to win this nomination if this country truly wants to get back on the right track.

god what I would give to see an Obama/Paul debate. Paul would put a clown suit on Obama.

I do think Paul could use some work on his composure though. The others had little substance but they had more presidential composure. I couldn't believe some of the things that came out of Gingrich's mouth. I doubt he believes in what he said though. He's a master of using current issues to get ahead despite being a Rockefeller Republican.

alnorth
08-13-2011, 08:39 AM
I'm now taking off to the Ames straw poll.

I wasn't sure who to vote for since we seem to have Romney, Paul, and a bunch of irrelevant or crazy people, but I've decided to go with Ron Paul today. Will be interesting to see if he wins.

patteeu
08-13-2011, 09:20 AM
I'm now taking off to the Ames straw poll.

I wasn't sure who to vote for since we seem to have Romney, Paul, and a bunch of irrelevant or crazy people, but I've decided to go with Ron Paul today. Will be interesting to see if he wins.

It's interesting how you broke Ron Paul out from the irrelevant or crazy people group.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 09:58 AM
People should vote based on the candidate's ideas and track record in congress not because of who supports him. How illogical. Pat's got nuthin' again, nuthin' but smear. Typical NeoCon tactic. It's amazing how Ron terrifies you NCs if he is so unelectable. Lol-z!

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 10:11 AM
People should vote based on the candidate's ideas and track record in congress not because of who supports him. How illogical. Pat's got nuthin' again, nuthin' but smear. Typical NeoCon tactic. It's amazing how Ron terrifies you NCs if he is so unelectable. Lol-z!

Pea, the koolaid jug is almost empty. Listen to me. RON PAUL HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING THE NOMINATION. You can sputter and rationalize all you want but it's over , done, finished. He's the Ralph Nader of the right.

Heck, I'll bet you his son won't even vote for him.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 10:16 AM
Pea, the koolaid jug is almost empty. Listen to me. RON PAUL HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING THE NOMINATION. You can sputter and rationalize all you want but it's over , done, finished. He's the Ralph Nader of the right.

You need not indulge in projection, Chiefaroo.

Again, I don't vote based on this being a horse race. I have integrity when it comes to the primary. I already know the Rs won't nominate a liberty, limited-govt prosperity and peace candidate. I never said otherwise. My point was, if you read what I post, is the NeoCons and pro-Establishment status-quo Rs spend a lot of time revealing how skeer'd they are of someone who is so unelectable.ROFL

As far as Kool-Aid goes, what flavor? I drink Liberty-flavor. You drink Establishment or NeoCon flavor.
Actually, I don't drink Kool-Aid at all too much sugar ( bad stuff in it). I just have integrity. You're the one drinking it.

Feel free to vote for phonies because they're electable in your horse-race. They don't know how to fix our situation.
Me, I'll keep my integrity.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 10:18 AM
You need not indulge in projection, Chiefaroo.

Again, I don't vote based on this being a horse race. I have integrity when it comes to the primary. I already know the Rs won't nominate a liberty, limited-govt prosperity and peace candidate. I never said otherwise. My point was, if you read what I post, is the NeoCons and pro-Establishment status-quo Rs spend a lot of time revealing how skeer'd they are of someone who is so unelectable.ROFL

As far as Kool-Aid goes, what flavor? I drink Liberty-flavor. You drink Establishment or NeoCon flavor.

Feel free to vote for phonies because they're electable in your horse-race. They don't know how to fix our situation.
Me, I'll keep my integrity.

LMAO

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 10:20 AM
Oh, and Roo, how 'bout a big strong cup of coffee to wake you up!
It's at least worth a good bowel movement to get the guk out of your system and start fresh.

Bearcat2005
08-13-2011, 10:26 AM
Ron Paul is the only candidate that accuratly warned us of the 2008 bust and the federal reserve's role in it. He is the only candidate that goes into great detail concerning his policies when asked and he is the only candidate who has a complete pro liberty voting record. If that makes a man crazy, then I guess I am too.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 10:43 AM
You need not indulge in projection, Chiefaroo.

Again, I don't vote based on this being a horse race. I have integrity when it comes to the primary. I already know the Rs won't nominate a liberty, limited-govt prosperity and peace candidate. I never said otherwise. My point was, if you read what I post, is the NeoCons and pro-Establishment status-quo Rs spend a lot of time revealing how skeer'd they are of someone who is so unelectable.ROFL

As far as Kool-Aid goes, what flavor? I drink Liberty-flavor. You drink Establishment or NeoCon flavor.

Feel free to vote for phonies because they're electable in your horse-race. They don't know how to fix our situation.
Me, I'll keep my integrity.

You know I enjoy your takes. Keep on keeping on if that's what floats your boat.

As for me I'm going to vote for a capitalist and hope R Senators get voted into the Senate so we scrap Obama and the Pelosi libs failures. Then I'm going to make a huge pot of money in the stock market rebound, take the family on a beach vacation and watch the The remnants of socialism and mob rule get rolled up while we get our fiscal house in order at the federal level.

Just think about it. It will be glorious Pea, a 16,000 point Dow, new X Class Supercarriers Keeping the Chinese and freedoms enemies in line with f-35's and hypersonic weapons defending overhead. The Gulf coast will get back to pumping oil, regulation will be rolled back, America will get back to business.

I look forward to seeing people getting back to work while the cops water cannon and truncheon the socialist derelicts who are trying to loot the local Starbucks in the name of free healthcare and wealth redistribution.

Don't worry you'll still have your integrity and you can go meet Ron Paul because he'll be close by you in a retirement community in Florida. If you PM me I'll give you some good stock tips for the coming economic rebound.

GLORIOUS!!

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 10:48 AM
You know I enjoy your takes. Keep on keeping on if that's what floats your boat.

As for me I'm going to vote for a capitalist and hope R Senators get voted into the Senate so we scrap Obama and the Pelosi libs failures. Then I'm going to make a huge pot of money in the stock market rebound, take the family on anvacation and watch the The remnants of socialism and mob rule get rolled up while we get our fiscal house in order at the federal level.

Just think about it. It will be glorious Pea, a 16,000 point Dow, new X Class Supercarriers Keeping the Chinese and freedoms enemies in line with f-35's and hypersonic weapons defending overhead. The Gulf coast will get back to pumping oil, regulation will be rolled back, America will get back to business.

I look forward to seeing people getting back to work while the cops water cannon and truncheon the socialist derelicts who are trying to loot the local Starbucks in the name of free healthcare, wealth redistribution.

GLORIOUS!!

If you think any of those candidates will result in that, particularly with another war where more of our veterans will need care for 20-30 years costing trillions, then I have a bridge to sell you. They are very modestly different than Obama. Remember Boehner was ready to give Obama what he wanted. That's the type you are placing your trust in.

Sorry but the war is just another govt program and the warfare state is the flip side of the coin to the welfare state. You heard Santorum, he says he is for bringing people freedom ( via military of course).

None of them understand how the Fed Reserve system is the root of this bad economy either.

I don't want one party rule again, not with another Establishment Republican, because the rest will go along with him/her. I'd rather more of the right kind of Republican gain seats in congress and stymie Obama. That there is the lesser of two evils.

So if you want more of the same....by all means go ahead. Enjoy your bridge you bought and the Starbucks too.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 11:12 AM
If you think any of those candidates will result in that, particularly with another war where more of our veterans will need care for 20-30 years costing trillions, then I have a bridge to sell you. They are very modestly different than Obama. Remember Boehner was ready to give Obama what he wanted. That's the type you are placing your trust in.

Sorry but the war is just another govt program and the warfare state is the flip side of the coin to the welfare state. You heard Santorum, he says he is for bringing people freedom ( via military of course).

None of them understand how the Fed Reserve system is the root of this bad economy either.

I don't want one party rule again, not with another Establishment Republican, because the rest will go along with him/her. I'd rather more of the right kind of Republican gain seats in congress and stymie Obama. That there is the lesser of two evils.

So if you want more of the same....by all means go ahead. Enjoy your bridge you bought and the Starbucks too.

Santorum is over too. I'm waiting for guys like Rubio to grow up. My peeps. I'm waiting for the baby boo er pols to lose. I'm waiting for first principles to come back in fashion in DC.

Meanwhile I'll take pro business Romney and a rock rib conservative congress? boehner? He will get in line, or he's gone.

We do agree on one thing. I want most of our troops back home. Drones, special forces and CIA liquidators can keep the crazies in line backed up with our new military toys.

They will be great days pea. You can go play shuffleboard with Ron Paul in retirement in Florida.

PM me if you've got money for the market.

Sit tight brothers and sisters America will be back beginning in 2013.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 11:31 AM
Santorum is over too. I'm waiting for guys like Rubio to grow up. My peeps. I'm waiting for the baby boo er pols to lose. I'm waiting for first principles to come back in fashion in DC.

Meanwhile I'll take pro business Romney and a rock rib conservative congress? boehner? He will get in line, or he's gone.

We do agree on one thing. I want most of our troops back home. Drones, special forces and CIA liquidators can keep the crazies in line backed up with our new military toys.

They will be great days pea. You can go play shuffleboard with Ron Paul in retirement in Florida.

PM me if you've got money for the market.

Sit tight brothers and sisters America will be back beginning in 2013.

IE status quo is fine, as long as it has an R next to it you're all in.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 11:35 AM
Iowa Pundits Say Don't Sleep on Ron Paul

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ABC News' Matthew Jaffe (@matthewbjaffe) reports:

Could Ron Paul really win the Ames straw poll this Saturday? Don't bet against him.

While all eyes are focused on another Texan, some top Iowa pundits predict Paul will make some serious noise this weekend.

Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, holding court in the post-debate spin room last night, said, “I think that if there’s a low turnout, Ron Paul’s got the organization. He spent five years working on it. He should not be underestimated. That’s why I would say.”

One GOP operative here explained to ABC News why Paul could spring a surprise on Saturday.

“It’s nature vs. nurture. Bachmann is nature – she has the charisma, the energy, and people are going to vote for her, so she’s not organizing as much,” the source said. “Pawlenty is the nurture candidate – he’s got the organization. I’m an organizational guy – I think that can always make up for it. But Ron Paul has both nature and nurture – he has an exciting base and he’s been able to build on it with his organization.”

“I think if Paul wins it’s going to be symbolic,” the source continued. “We haven’t seen people like Romney and Perry here, so people might cast a symbolic vote and try to send a message to say, ‘He’s not going to win the nomination, but hey, I really like what Paul is saying.’”

That same GOP operative told me two weeks ago that Paul's approach could resonate with voters because they saw him in Iowa four years ago talking about the nation's looming economic and debt problems.

"I think that Paul's team has a plan and they're executing it flawlessly," the source said at the time. "He's got the credibility that even someone like Bachmann does not – because he's been saying this for years and years in some of the same ballrooms he's speaking in right now."

When asked to pick a winner in Ames, two "in the know" people here in Iowa both told me that if they had to put money on someone, it'd be Paul.

Rick Perry might be getting all the headlines these days, but the smart money in the Hawkeye State says don't mess with Paul.

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SNR
08-13-2011, 12:47 PM
It's interesting how you broke Ron Paul out from the irrelevant or crazy people group.Hmm? But you like Ron Paul

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 01:21 PM
Santorum is over too.
Rubio is a great speaker but he is Establishment + Neo Conservative. Remember, he makes the "American exceptionalism" case which is at the heart of the Neo Conservative persuasion which apparently gives us a right to tell other nations how to run their countries or we'll take them out. He's a Bushie and he's denied being part of the Tea Party. What does that tell you?

I'm waiting for first principles to come back in fashion in DC.
It won't happen with any of the other candidates up there. Have you ever seen a Republican repeal any left-progressive legislation that preceded them? I am aware of NONE. They "conserve" what's there. That means Obama's agenda will remain fixed in place — or most of it. Getting back to first principles will take a radical since that's where the word originates from. ( root causes)

Meanwhile I'll take pro business Romney and a rock rib conservative congress? boehner? He will get in line, or he's gone.

It won't happen that way. History of Republicans show it works the OTHER way around. It will be another rinse, lather, repeat—I am sorry to tell you.

Seriously though, "pro-business" Romney? Of all the other R choices you choose the one that gave us the blue-print for Obamacare and who is even on record for liking Obamacare with a few tweaks. Seriously, are you even a Republican?

We do agree on one thing. I want most of our troops back home. Drones, special forces and CIA liquidators can keep the crazies in line backed up with our new military toys.
Glad to hear it. If anything, I think Romney is the least hawk-like of the other Republicans outside of Paul. However he is worse on domestic policy due to his Romney care. I would think you'd like Bachmann more as she will make a sincere attempt on repealing Obamacare. Only she's in the "Iran is a threat" camp like Santorum. That makes her a toss-up for me.

They will be great days pea. You can go play shuffleboard with Ron Paul in retirement in Florida.
ROFL I don't play shuffleboard and I'd rather boogy board especially after a hurricane. :drool:

Pssst! America is gone, my friend.

PM me if you've got money for the market.
Nope, I have no money for the market anymore. That was before 2005.
My kid has it courtesy of grandma but BofA is walking dead while Wal Mart is fine.
Jim Rogers is not pro stock market or treasures right now but says commodities including agriculture. I am waiting for my oil and natural gas to pull me through.

Sit tight brothers and sisters America will be back beginning in 2013.
Get ready for the great global unraveling that no candidate will be able to stop. It will the Fall of Rome V2 with a great de-centralization. Once the world wakes up to what the Central banking class has done, they will be run out. You're seeing it already in Greece and London....and to some degree here. I think things will get worse—no matter who wins.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 01:41 PM
IE status quo is fine, as long as it has an R next to it you're all in.

The stays quo is worthless money, bankruptcy, high unemployment, destruction of opportunity and wealth for all of us and our children.

You obviously don't understand how wealth is created and why we have high unemployment.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 01:45 PM
Rubio is a great speaker but he is Establishment + Neo Conservative. Remember, he makes the "American exceptionalism" case which is at the heart of the Neo Conservative persuasion which apparently gives us a right to tell other nations how to run their countries or we'll take them out. He's a Bushie and he's denied being part of the Tea Party. What does that tell you?


It won't happen with any of the other candidates up there. Have you ever seen a Republican repeal any left-progressive legislation that preceded them? I am aware of NONE. They "conserve" what's there. That means Obama's agenda will remain fixed in place — or most of it. Getting back to first principles will take a radical since that's where the word originates from. ( root causes)



It won't happen that way. History of Republicans show it works the OTHER way around. It will be another rinse, lather, repeat—I am sorry to tell you.

Seriously though, "pro-business" Romney? Of all the other R choices you choose the one that gave us the blue-print for Obamacare and who is even on record for liking Obamacare with a few tweaks. Seriously, are you even a Republican?


Glad to hear it. If anything, I think Romney is the least hawk-like of the other Republicans outside of Paul. However he is worse on domestic policy due to his Romney care. I would think you'd like Bachmann more as she will make a sincere attempt on repealing Obamacare. Only she's in the "Iran is a threat" camp like Santorum. That makes her a toss-up for me.


ROFL I don't play shuffleboard and I'd rather boogy board especially after a hurricane. :drool:

Pssst! America is gone, my friend.


Nope, I have no money for the market anymore. That was before 2005.
My kid has it courtesy of grandma but BofA is walking dead while Wal Mart is fine.
Jim Rogers is not pro stock market or treasures right now but says commodities including agriculture. I am waiting for my oil and natural gas to pull me through.


Get ready for the great global unraveling that no candidate will be able to stop. It will the Fall of Rome V2 with a great de-centralization. Once the world wakes up to what the Central banking class has done, they will be run out. You're seeing it already in Greece and London....and to some degree here. I think things will get worse—no matter who wins.

Well you've given up. Fine. You're going to miss one helluva turnaround.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 01:52 PM
Well you've given up. Fine. You're going to miss one helluva turnaround.

Well, I do hope I am wrong. So we'll see. But it will be a mercantilist turn-around—not a free-market one.
It's not that I've given up, it just may be necessary to have a day of reckoning before things can be fixed correctly.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 02:10 PM
Well, I do hope I am wrong. So we'll see. But it will be a mercantilist turn-around—not a free-market one.
It's not that I've given up, it just may be necessary to have a day of reckoning before things can be fixed correctly.

Explain this" day of reckoning". How would it work?

HonestChieffan
08-13-2011, 02:53 PM
Ron is a kook but he is our kook by god.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 02:56 PM
Explain this" day of reckoning". How would it work?

It's in the last paragraph of my last post. I'll add that the dollar may go Weimar-Zimabawe too.

Oh, before I forget, Romney would federalize marriage—BIG mistake. He doesn't know the Constitution. That's qualification #1 for me. Business—not so much. Being a CEO requires different skills for a different environment. Especially one who changes taxes to "fees." Lolz!

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 02:58 PM
Ron is a kook but he is our kook by god.

You're our kook too. One of our Neo Conservative kooks. Takes a kook to know one as they say.

HonestChieffan
08-13-2011, 03:01 PM
Be that as it may, old Ron sort of provides a bit of comic relief as well as an occasional burst of valid points. Its his ability to go off on a bunny trail to nowhere that dooms he and his kookie followers.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 03:02 PM
Be that as it may, old Ron sort of provides a bit of comic relief as well as an occasional burst of valid points. Its his ability to go off on a bunny trail to nowhere that dooms he and his kookie followers.

That isn't why he is considered to have won the debate. Spin it however you like with your NeoCon fantasy world talking points.

HonestChieffan
08-13-2011, 03:06 PM
Okie Dokie. His followers say he won the debate.

Of course Romneyites say Mitt won.
A poll says Newt won.
Another shows Bachman won.

Etc Etc.

Ron is good for a laugh and an occasional moment of thought but President? He is Our version of Kucinich.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 03:11 PM
Okie Dokie. His followers say he won the debate.
Uhm, no polls did. One on FOX and one on CNN.

Of course Romneyites say Mitt won.
Where?
I haven't heard that anywhere. Oh wait, CNN did but it was from their own poll which skipped reporting that Paul came in ahead of Romney but the anchor missed it. Anderson Cooper had to point that out as an untruth and biased spin.

I have seen how some credit Gingrich but not Romney.

A poll says Newt won.
Another shows Bachman won.

Links please.

We already mentioned how Fox removed it's own poll—not the first time they omitted results.



Ron is good for a laugh and an occasional moment of thought but President? He is Our version of Kucinich.
Well I guess you think the Constitution is kooky as well.

Your candidates are real kooks that are good for a laugh when people think they'll overturn Obamacare or repeal his agenda or be different. ROFL

evenfall
08-13-2011, 03:28 PM
I don't know why anyone would put stick in a poll you have to travel to and pay $30 a head to participate in. You could hardly design something worse at predicting the outcome of an actual election. Especially when its a republican race in a state where government corn-cheese hypnosis clouds any of their chances there.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 03:34 PM
It's in the last paragraph of my last post. I'll add that the dollar may go Weimar-Zimabawe too.

Oh, before I forget, Romney would federalize marriage—BIG mistake. He doesn't know the Constitution. That's qualification #1 for me. Business—not so much. Being a CEO requires different skills for a different environment. Especially one who changes taxes to "fees." Lolz!

If the dollar became worthless (Which it won't) it would wreck the world economy. It would destroy massive amounts of wealth and you'd have a lot of social unrest worldwide. There might be martial law in some places in the US and price freezing ala Nixon but at the end of the day the land, infrastructure and technology we have would keep civilization functioning.

Simply put there will be no weimar/zimbabwe scenario. The worlds Govt's won't let it happen.

BigChiefFan
08-13-2011, 03:58 PM
Okie Dokie. His followers say he won the debate.

Of course Romneyites say Mitt won.
A poll says Newt won.
Another shows Bachman won.

Etc Etc.

Ron is good for a laugh and an occasional moment of thought but President? He is Our version of Kucinich.Yeah, because your "VERSIONS" have been so stellar for our country. If you AREN'T part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
The mainstream Republicans are clowns with marching orders, same as the mainstream Democrats. Our country was hijacked long ago.
Do you even fathom what $16 trillion in debt means? We're on borrowed time and a one way ticket to Hell with the path, YOUR leaders have led us down. They aren't visionaries. They aren't genuises. They aren't even remotely competent when serving, We The People. How you partisan bootlickers can even support those bending you over is beyond me.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 04:01 PM
If the dollar became worthless (Which it won't) it would wreck the world economy.
You're saying I'm drinkin' the Kool-Aid? It's already lost most of its value. Where have you been?

You're not listen' to the right people—the ones who predicted 2008. Including Celente who has an accurate prediction record.

It would destroy massive amounts of wealth and you'd have a lot of social unrest worldwide.
What do you think is going on right now? Greece, London, Miami, Wisconsin, the Arab Spring. Gaddafi was going to coin his own currency in gold, Iraq was going to trade oil in Euros same with Iran. Why do you think they were gone after?
We just haven't felt as much of it yet. We've been a main beneficiary of the dollar being the reserve currency.

It will destroy the wealth of the right people—not those who invested to avert disaster.

There might be martial law in some places in the US and price freezing ala Nixon but at the end of the day the land, infrastructure and technology we have would keep civilization functioning.

Technology is not something I consider a product of govt. At the end of the day, it will be a decentralizing with local and state govts working to keep things together. That part I welcome—just not for the reasons it has to.

Simply put there will be no weimar/zimbabwe scenario. The worlds Govt's won't let it happen.
You must be living in a bubble then. Have you seen the price of food?

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 04:04 PM
Yeah, because your "VERSIONS" have been so stellar for our country. If you AREN'T part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
The mainstream Republicans are clowns with marching orders, same as the mainstream Democrats. Our country was hijacked long ago.
Do you even fathom what $16 trillion in debt means? We're on borrowed time and a one way ticket to Hell with the path, YOUR leaders have led us down. They aren't visionaries. They aren't genuises. They aren't even remotely competent when serving, We The People. How you partisan bootlickers can even support those bending you over is beyond me.

He likes getting it in the ______ while screaming "KOOK!" "KOOK!"

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 04:06 PM
I don't know why anyone would put stick in a poll you have to travel to and pay $30 a head to participate in. You could hardly design something worse at predicting the outcome of an actual election. Especially when its a republican race in a state where government corn-cheese hypnosis clouds any of their chances there.

It's true but I'm just lovin' how certain media is too afraid to report the real results.
And how skeer'd those who say he's unelectable if he's unelectable.

Ya' know what I mean?

KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 04:17 PM
The stays quo is worthless money, bankruptcy, high unemployment, destruction of opportunity and wealth for all of us and our children.

You obviously don't understand how wealth is created and why we have high unemployment.

I understand it quite well, Your vote will be cast for the status quo.

patteeu
08-13-2011, 04:20 PM
Ron Paul is the only candidate that accuratly warned us of the 2008 bust and the federal reserve's role in it. He is the only candidate that goes into great detail concerning his policies when asked and he is the only candidate who has a complete pro liberty voting record. If that makes a man crazy, then I guess I am too.

You know I enjoy your takes. Keep on keeping on if that's what floats your boat.

As for me I'm going to vote for a capitalist and hope R Senators get voted into the Senate so we scrap Obama and the Pelosi libs failures. Then I'm going to make a huge pot of money in the stock market rebound, take the family on a beach vacation and watch the The remnants of socialism and mob rule get rolled up while we get our fiscal house in order at the federal level.

Just think about it. It will be glorious Pea, a 16,000 point Dow, new X Class Supercarriers Keeping the Chinese and freedoms enemies in line with f-35's and hypersonic weapons defending overhead. The Gulf coast will get back to pumping oil, regulation will be rolled back, America will get back to business.

I look forward to seeing people getting back to work while the cops water cannon and truncheon the socialist derelicts who are trying to loot the local Starbucks in the name of free healthcare and wealth redistribution.

Don't worry you'll still have your integrity and you can go meet Ron Paul because he'll be close by you in a retirement community in Florida. If you PM me I'll give you some good stock tips for the coming economic rebound.

GLORIOUS!!

Outstanding post.

patteeu
08-13-2011, 04:21 PM
Hmm? But you like Ron Paul

Yes, I do. He's irrelevant though as far as the POTUS election is concerned.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 05:17 PM
I understand it quite well, Your vote will be cast for the status quo.

Who are you going to vote for?

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Oh, and Roo, how 'bout a big strong cup of coffee to wake you up!
It's at least worth a good bowel movement to get the guk out of your system and start fresh.

*kisses*

KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 05:41 PM
Who are you going to vote for?

Obama because he promised change, he just needs 4 more years. ;)

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 05:47 PM
Obama because he promised change, he just needs 4 more years. ;)

I don't buy it. Neither do you.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-13-2011, 05:48 PM
I don't buy it. Neither do you.

well ya, it really depends on who gets the Republican nomination if i feel it's more of the same then i'll vote 3rd party.

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 06:03 PM
*kisses*

*hugs* :grouphug: I'll even treat ya' to a Starbucks. ;)

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 08:49 PM
*hugs* :grouphug: I'll even treat ya' to a Starbucks. ;)

I appreciate it but if you are right about the future they will all be destroyed. :)

BucEyedPea
08-13-2011, 09:06 PM
I appreciate it but if you are right about the future they will all be destroyed. :)

"They" meaning what? Hugs or Starbucks? Hugs —never! Starbucks perhaps. Something else will crop up or they'll resurrect once the dust settles a year or two later.

listopencil
08-15-2011, 12:27 AM
Sorry but the war is just another govt program and the warfare state is the flip side of the coin to the welfare state.



Damn. You're on fire. Nice job.