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Tribal Warfare
08-13-2011, 01:56 AM
Chiefs’ preseason opener was especially meaningless (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/12/3073888/chiefs-preseason-opener-was-especially.html)
By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs are a rotten, no-good, can’t-get-out-of-their-way football team. They are sloppy and overmatched and can’t tackle, and while we’re at it, here’s something else:

None of it matters.

Maybe the Chiefs will be a giant disappointment this season. Maybe they’ll lose a lot of games, make a lot of mistakes and by the end of the season we’ll all be wondering if the progress of the last few years is history.

There are good reasons to believe the Chiefs will struggle this season. League trends are pretty clear about it, actually, and there is some concern in and around the organization about following up last year’s division championship.

But there’s absolutely no way to use the Chiefs’ 25-0 loss to the Buccaneers in the preseason opener on Friday as proof.

“That’s the first one,” coach Todd Haley says. “Not the last one.”

If you’re worried about what you saw, don’t be. If you’re freaking out, stop. If you think that any significant weakness got exposed or that the Chiefs are somehow less likely to compete now than they were two days ago, take a deep breath.

Even by NFL preseason standards, this one is especially meaningless from the Chiefs’ perspective — and Haley coached accordingly.

He won’t say it this plainly, but it’s true nonetheless: Haley planned for and coached this game in a way that made it nearly impossible for the Chiefs to look good. And that’s not a bad thing.

This is by design. Don’t be fooled by the game uniforms and Arrowhead Stadium lights and national TV broadcast. The Chiefs approached this game like full-contact practice on the campus of Missouri Western.

The players who know the system and are most likely to make the team look good hardly played if at all. The new guys who needed to be shown how to get from the locker room to the field played a bunch.

You didn’t see the Chiefs on Friday. You saw something more like their representative.

“Like Coach told us,” fullback Le’Ron McClain says, “we knew we weren’t going to look like a Super Bowl championship team.”

Matt Cassel botched a snap, but it was with backup guard Darryl Harris playing center.

Quinten Lawrence messed up a kickoff return, but he’ll be watching like the rest of us when the real games start. Same with Jackie Battle, who fumbled. And Chandler Williams, who let a punt bounce by him inside the 5.

When the Chiefs took a safety, it was backup quarterback Tyler Palko being tackled by a first-string Bucs end rushing against backup Chiefs linemen.

You see where this is going.

Cassel didn’t throw a pass. Jamaal Charles didn’t touch the ball. Dwayne Bowe did nothing but block. Tamba Hali, Steve Breaston, Tony Moeaki and others didn’t even play.

Tampa Bay star quarterback Josh Freeman was among the Bucs’ starters who played into the second quarter.

What did you expect?

“The first preseason game is part of a process that looks different than last year would’ve or the year before,” linebacker Andy Studebaker says. “The whole year’s different, so our approach to camp has been different.”

Some of these guys have been in camp for a week. Jared Gaither has a chance to start at tackle, and he just signed on Thursday.

The Chiefs are working with an especially thin roster, and with the shrunken practice time it would be coaching malpractice to do anything risky.

The Chiefs didn’t show much of anything to believe in on Friday, but they also avoided injuries.

With this team, and this rushed preseason, the second part of that is much more important than the first.

Even in the best of circumstances, preseason football is like the grocery shopping and cleaning before the party.

It’s what you tolerate now so you can have fun later.

This is not the best of circumstances, of course, and if it weren’t for the NFL’s revenue structure and TV networks’ broadcast schedules, maybe we could’ve been spared the white lie that Friday night’s game was more important than a dress rehearsal in St. Joseph.

There is nothing to be learned from the Chiefs’ first preseason game, a combination of circumstance and design.

The Chiefs have questions throughout the roster that will need answers in the 29 days until the season opener against the Bills.

Now’s not the time.

Fish
08-13-2011, 02:01 AM
He won’t say it this plainly, but it’s true nonetheless: Haley planned for and coached this game in a way that made it nearly impossible for the Chiefs to look good. And that’s not a bad thing.

This is by design. Don’t be fooled by the game uniforms and Arrowhead Stadium lights and national TV broadcast. The Chiefs approached this game like full-contact practice on the campus of Missouri Western.

Plus full priced tickets, $27 parking, and $8 beers! Go Chiefs!

Exoter175
08-13-2011, 02:21 AM
/facepalm @ bad Journalism

Fruit Ninja
08-13-2011, 02:24 AM
i feel bad for the people that paid full price for tickets. THey hell of got ripped off. I know what Todd Haley was trying to do, but its like he didnt even want to play the damned game at all.

Its not bad for the Chiefs, just sucks for the fan. I turned the game off after the first quarter. i Knew it wasnt going to be pretty.

milkman
08-13-2011, 07:47 AM
I haven't yet watched this game, but from what I've heard through interviews and camp reports thgroughout the league is that the Chiefs were the last team to actually do some live hitting in camp,and based on what I've read here, they didn't hardly play any of the starters.

Haley's obviously protecting against injury, and the Chiefs do seem to among the teams with the fewest that have been reported.

boogblaster
08-13-2011, 08:21 AM
i should have turned it off after first half but wanted to watch our young guys .. they all need snaps ....

Deberg_1990
08-13-2011, 08:50 AM
i feel bad for the people that paid full price for tickets. THey hell of got ripped off. I know what Todd Haley was trying to do, but its like he didnt even want to play the damned game at all.

Its not bad for the Chiefs, just sucks for the fan. I turned the game off after the first quarter. i Knew it wasnt going to be pretty.

The problem is not with Haley, he did what all good coaches should do..protect his players.

The problem is with the NFL charging full prices for meaningless games. Its damn near criminal.

BigMeatballDave
08-13-2011, 08:53 AM
Ground breaking reporting

suds79
08-13-2011, 08:56 AM
Basically the only point of that game was to watch backups. Because they weren't trying with the starters.

I wanted to see what Stanzi had. Thought he showed some moxey but it was hard to see much since he was running for his life 90% of the time as soon as the ball was snapped.

Could be the competition he was playing but I thought Powe looked pretty good. For a huge man, he came back to make the TD saving tackle on Johnson in that one scramble and I saw several plays where he pushed the Center or Guard back a couple yards.

Baldwin looks huge on the field. Just a big dude. Even at 228 he still looks kinda skinny to me. But he looked okay.

Deberg_1990
08-13-2011, 08:58 AM
Baldwin looks huge on the field. Just a big dude. Even at 228 he still looks kinda skinny to me.

Which is it? Is he huge or skinny?

Extra Point
08-13-2011, 09:07 AM
I feel better now. Sammy smoothed me over. I just need to wipe.

InChiefsHell
08-13-2011, 09:12 AM
Baldwin's first catch was really something, Palko put some mustard on it and he caught it no problem. The second attempt to him (iirc) was a long ball, fade route type pass...but he looked like he got jammed at the LOS (which is something people have said he struggles with) and was unable to really make the play. He had that one circus drop\catch\drop thing that even the announcers were impressed with the effort on. I'm liking the kid so far, but again, there really ain't much to go off of...

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-13-2011, 09:13 AM
If I hear YOUNG BUCS one more time, I am throwing my TV out the window.

TheGuardian
08-13-2011, 09:18 AM
No kidding, if the commentators sucked off the Bucs any harder their pirate woulda had to e replaced by a pic of Richard Simmons. You wouldn't know the Chiefs were playing just by the announcing crew.

DaFace
08-13-2011, 09:26 AM
I completely understand the whole "the game was a ripoff" sentiment and fully agree. However, on what planet is ANY preseason game worth paying for, let alone the first playoff game in a lockout season?

Messier
08-13-2011, 09:28 AM
Every year I get excited about preseason. I need to just stop, and realize that its so meaningless. Quinten Lawrence was playing in the fist quarter covering the Tampa starting WRs!

TEX
08-13-2011, 09:29 AM
Basically the only point of that game was to watch backups. Because they weren't trying with the starters.

I wanted to see what Stanzi had. Thought he showed some moxey but it was hard to see much since he was running for his life 90% of the time as soon as the ball was snapped.

Could be the competition he was playing but I thought Powe looked pretty good. For a huge man, he came back to make the TD saving tackle on Johnson in that one scramble and I saw several plays where he pushed the Center or Guard back a couple yards.

Baldwin looks huge on the field. Just a big dude. Even at 228 he still looks kinda skinny to me. But he looked okay.

I agree BUT even in that there were two plays that stood out and each kid made one.

Stanzie - late in 4th quarter Stanzie was running for his life, on 4th down, and had a clear path to the first down. He easily could have gotten it running the football, but he chose to throw it. Most young QB's will run for it it every time and it is the wrong thing to do most of the time.

Baldwin - Tried to tip an underthrown ball to himself - Went totally around the defender , while in the air, in order to do it. Almost pulled it off. Just the fact that he tried to do it says something about that kid. It tells me that he's worthy of wearing # 89.

WV
08-13-2011, 09:32 AM
The problem is not with Haley, he did what all good coaches should do..protect his players.

The problem is with the NFL charging full prices for meaningless games. Its damn near criminal.

The exact reason I was debating going to Baltimore next week and decided against it. I checked on tickets and saw that for any kind of "good" seat I'd be paying over $100 per ticket...no thanks for a preseason meaningless game.

InChiefsHell
08-13-2011, 09:34 AM
I agree BUT even in that there were two plays that stood out and each kid made one.

Stanzie - late in 4th quarter Stanzie was running for his life, on 4th down, and had a clear path to the first down. He easily could have gotten it running the football, but he chose to throw it. Most young QB's will run for it it every time and it is the wrong thing to do most of the time.

Baldwin - Tried to tip an underthrown ball to himself - Went totally around the defender , while in the air, in order to do it. Almost pulled it off. Just the fact that he tried to do it says something about that kid. It tells me that he's worthy of wearing # 89.
I thought the same thing of the Stanzi play you mentioned. Hell, I assumed he'd tuck and run, but instead he tried to make a pass and let his receiver make the play. Considering he was being chased EVERY FUCKING SNAP I thought this showed some NFL smarts.

Baldwin IMO looked pretty decent, but it WAS a practice. I've got confidence that Haley will coach him up.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 09:38 AM
Guys, Howie Long a friggin Faider of legend and lore, was doing the game. I'm surprised he didn't whip it out and take a steamy pee on the Chiefs Field logo and then try to tongue kiss Cassel's woman.

Messier
08-13-2011, 09:38 AM
Stanzi impressed me a bit. I thought he was more of a statue in the pocket, but he's pretty athletic.

ChiefaRoo
08-13-2011, 09:44 AM
Stanzi impressed me a bit. I thought he was more of a statue in the pocket, but he's pretty athletic.

I liked Stanzi. He's mobile and has some real athletic tools. That sideline route to Tucker? was right on target. He's already better than Brodie. Palko? Just awful. Powe had a little flash, Siler had some energy and Big Country #71 what's his name has a physical presence although he looked lost. Hudson has some nice technique and looks good.

On the first series Asaomoah got owned on one play. Battle is done.

DJ and Bowe looked great on the sideline

BigMeatballDave
08-13-2011, 09:57 AM
I agree BUT even in that there were two plays that stood out and each kid made one.

Stanzie - late in 4th quarter Stanzie was running for his life, on 4th down, and had a clear path to the first down. He easily could have gotten it running the football, but he chose to throw it. Most young QB's will run for it it every time and it is the wrong thing to do most of the time.

Baldwin - Tried to tip an underthrown ball to himself - Went totally around the defender , while in the air, in order to do it. Almost pulled it off. Just the fact that he tried to do it says something about that kid. It tells me that he's worthy of wearing # 89.There's no e at the end of Stanzi. lol

suds79
08-13-2011, 10:02 AM
Which is it? Is he huge or skinny?

:) Yeah bad choice of words. I suppose I mean tall over huge.

TEX
08-13-2011, 10:06 AM
There's no e at the end of Stanzi. lol

Thanks. But there is an "F" in BFD...

aturnis
08-13-2011, 10:55 AM
I haven't yet watched this game, but from what I've heard through interviews and camp reports thgroughout the league is that the Chiefs were the last team to actually do some live hitting in camp,and based on what I've read here, they didn't hardly play any of the starters.

Haley's obviously protecting against injury, and the Chiefs do seem to among the teams with the fewest that have been reported.

Did you DVR it? Would like to hear your your takes. Especially on the trash we have on the oline.

Halfcan
08-13-2011, 10:58 AM
I haven't yet watched this game, but from what I've heard through interviews and camp reports thgroughout the league is that the Chiefs were the last team to actually do some live hitting in camp,and based on what I've read here, they didn't hardly play any of the starters.

Haley's obviously protecting against injury, and the Chiefs do seem to among the teams with the fewest that have been reported.

Dont bother watching it bud. The Coverage was terrible-they spent 10 minutes talking to Howie Long instead of showing the game. Billick is a terrible announcer and the other guy was not much better. They didn know any of the chiefs names or show replays and spent the whole game verbally blowing Josh Freeman.

aturnis
08-13-2011, 11:01 AM
Baldwin's first catch was really something, Palko put some mustard on it and he caught it no problem. The second attempt to him (iirc) was a long ball, fade route type pass...but he looked like he got jammed at the LOS (which is something people have said he struggles with) and was unable to really make the play. He had that one circus drop\catch\drop thing that even the announcers were impressed with the effort on. I'm liking the kid so far, but again, there really ain't much to go off of...

There was no drop. Watch the replay if you DVR'd it, the ball never touched the ground, he caught the ball. He was just sitting on the sideline by the time he did. Showed fantastic focus.

Epic Fail 007
08-13-2011, 11:01 AM
When baldwin almost made that circus catch was amazing.

milkman
08-13-2011, 11:01 AM
Did you DVR it? Would like to hear your your takes. Especially on the trash we have on the oline.

Yeah, I plan to watch it later today or tomorrow.

aturnis
08-13-2011, 11:11 AM
Dont bother watching it bud. The Coverage was terrible-they spent 10 minutes talking to Howie Long instead of showing the game. Billick is a terrible announcer and the other guy was not much better. They didn know any of the chiefs names or show replays and spent the whole game verbally blowing Josh Freeman.

Of course they didn't know any of the Chiefs names, we almost exclusively played backups. Don't act as though you didn't need a roster...

aturnis
08-13-2011, 11:14 AM
When baldwin almost made that circus catch was amazing.

How many times does it need to be said! HE DID MAKE THE CATCH! HE was just out of bounds when he did. FUCK.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-13-2011, 12:05 PM
How many times does it need to be said! HE DID MAKE THE CATCH! HE was just out of bounds when he did. FUCK.

I don't give two shits about playing to win the pre season game because it was worth it to see Stanzi step right up and knock his "competition"'s dick in the dirt at the QB position.

My God, I felt like Andy Dufrane seeing light at the end of two seasons worth of crawling through a fucking sewer pipe.

SNR
08-13-2011, 12:43 PM
Thanks. But there is an "F" in BFD...When Stanzi becomes our Super Bowl-winning QB, are you going to spell his name correctly?

If yes, then you should probably start doing it now.

Old Dog
08-13-2011, 12:50 PM
The problem is with the NFL charging full prices for meaningless games. Its damn near criminal.

I'm sad that I can only rep this once.

Bob Dole
08-13-2011, 12:50 PM
No injuries. Bob Dole considers that a win.

That said, it WAS painful to watch.

Sweet Daddy Hate
08-13-2011, 12:54 PM
When Stanzi becomes our Super Bowl-winning QB, are you going to spell his name correctly?

If yes, then you should probably start doing it now.

I enjoyed the living piss out watching him play last night, it was truly the only ray of light in that POS "practice session"(Jesus, Haley; did you REALLY have to go and tell the announcers that shit?)

Well, there was that moment when Freeman nearly got his clock cleaned...