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|Zach|
08-15-2011, 09:15 PM
Tough luck.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18687856

Ty Warren, the Broncos' newly signed defensive tackle, will undergoing an MRI exam Monday night to determine the extent of a triceps tendon injury he suffered during practice.
There is fear the injury is significant.
Warren, who missed all of last season with New England because of a hip injury, left the field Monday just a few minutes after Marcus Thomas suffered a strained right pectoral muscle.
Warren and Thomas started the day with the Broncos' first-team defense.
"Hopefully, they're not serious," said Broncos coach John Fox.
Warren was the Broncos' most expensive free-agent signing as he received a two-year, $8 million contract that includes a $2.5 million signing bonus.
Thomas re-signed with the Broncos on a one-year, $1 million deal.


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Pawnmower
08-15-2011, 09:17 PM
He'll be back in time to play in the SuperBowl

/knowmosexual

Saul Good
08-15-2011, 09:18 PM
He and Ron Edwards can hang out together. /Pioli with sunglasses

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 09:18 PM
But Haley is stupid for taking it easy the first couple weeks back

kysirsoze
08-15-2011, 09:18 PM
He and Ron Edwards can hang out together. /Pioli with sunglasses

LMAO. I was hoping this GIF would be the first post.

DaFace
08-15-2011, 09:19 PM
WE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED OUR STARTERS!!1!!1

Mr_Tomahawk
08-15-2011, 09:20 PM
First...Ron Edwards
Now...Ty Warren

Pioli knows something...

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 09:20 PM
There is fear the injury is significant

Dum dum duuuummmmm........


And knomo comes in to spin this in 3...2......1

BossChief
08-15-2011, 09:21 PM
haha

Denvers rush defense just moved back to #36th overall in the NFL

Saul Good
08-15-2011, 09:22 PM
You're next...

SPATCH
08-15-2011, 09:22 PM
Well it looks like this bronco signing.. *puts on sunglasses* came up lame.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

DaFace
08-15-2011, 09:22 PM
Dum dum duuuummmmm........


And knomo comes in to spin this in 3...2......1

Who needs Warren when you've got Bunkley? ;)

Hog Farmer
08-15-2011, 09:23 PM
KnowMo says it's a pinched nerve.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 09:25 PM
Get him a body bag!

http://i54.tinypic.com/awp9ih.jpg

2bikemike
08-15-2011, 09:25 PM
Tough Luck for the BrownCows. o:-)

Its will be interesting to compare injuries at the end of this preseason with years past to see what affect the Lock out had on conditioning.

stevieray
08-15-2011, 09:26 PM
oh darn

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 09:29 PM
This is the second time a defensive lineman the Chiefs could have signed this offseason suffered a triceps injury.

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/9234859.jpg

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 09:31 PM
He and Ron Edwards can hang out together. /Pioli with sunglasses

:)

http://i52.tinypic.com/2d2dpb9.jpg

http://oi56.tinypic.com/9urku1.jpg

DTLB58
08-15-2011, 09:34 PM
Just what we, as Chief fans had hoped for. If you sign with us sweet, if not, well die then! :clap:

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 09:36 PM
Who needs Warren when you've got Bunkley? ;)

And dumberville... Pro bowl :)

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 09:37 PM
Just what we, as Chief fans had hoped for. If you sign with us sweet, if not, well die then! :clap:

How about Shaun Smith???

DaFace
08-15-2011, 09:38 PM
And dumberville... Pro bowl :)

Eh, I won't say much there. I'd love to have Doom on the Chiefs (assuming he can return to 2009 form).

BryanBusby
08-15-2011, 09:39 PM
How about Shaun Smith???

He and Shawn Rogers should be very nervous right now.

cabletech94
08-15-2011, 09:39 PM
How about Shaun Smith???

just wait my friend, just wait.



hey claythan, cue the gay pioli pirate thing!!!

Saul Good
08-15-2011, 09:40 PM
Eh, I won't say much there. I'd love to have Doom on the Chiefs (assuming he can return to 2009 form).

That's a pretty big assumption.

BossChief
08-15-2011, 09:42 PM
And dumberville... superbowl :)

fyp

DaFace
08-15-2011, 09:43 PM
That's a pretty big assumption.

OK, let's put it this way. The Broncos offer to trade Dumervil for Tyson Jackson straight up. Do you take it?

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 09:45 PM
I'm just saying I liked shaun smiths attitude and he seemed to be a fan favorite around here. I don't really wish him any harm.

The nut grabbing jokes were just too funny

Saul Good
08-15-2011, 09:47 PM
OK, let's put it this way. The Broncos offer to trade Dumervil for Tyson Jackson straight up. Do you take it?

Yes
For Hali? No
For Dorsey? No
For Berry? No
For Flowers? No
For Carr? No
For Houston? Maybe
For DJ? Probably

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 09:47 PM
OK, let's put it this way. The Broncos offer to trade Dumervil for Tyson Jackson straight up. Do you take it?

Hell no. Jackson is not the best DE around but I just don't think dumerville is going to have a good year

Saul Good
08-15-2011, 09:51 PM
Yes
For Hali? No
For Dorsey? No
For Berry? No
For Flowers? No
For Carr? No
For Houston? Maybe
For DJ? Probably

It's kind of funny, really. If you take the best defensive player on the Broncos roster (active or otherwise) last year, there are at least 5 players on the Chiefs defense that I would rather have.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 09:54 PM
Hell no. Jackson is not the best DE around but I just don't think dumerville is going to have a good year

You may be the biggest homer this board has seen.

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 09:57 PM
It's kind of funny, really. If you take the best defensive player on the Broncos roster (active or otherwise) last year, there are at least 5 players on the Chiefs defense that I would rather have.

Dumervil has more career sacks than Hali and he missed an entire season. I wouldn't trade you Dumervil for Hali and Eric Berry. That is how good he is.

|Zach|
08-15-2011, 09:57 PM
Dumervil has more career sacks than Hali and he missed an entire season. I would trade you Dumervil for Hali and Eric Berry. That is how good he is.

He is as good against the pass as he is bad against the run.

No thanks.

BossChief
08-15-2011, 09:58 PM
Hell no. Jackson is not the best DE around but I just don't think dumerville is going to have a good year

ROFL

HMOG

BossChief
08-15-2011, 09:59 PM
You may be the biggest homer this board has seen.
hold on....
Dumervil has more career sacks than Hali and he missed an entire season. I would trade you Dumervil for Hali and Eric Berry. That is how good he is.NOPE

ROFL

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 10:00 PM
Sucks that the biggest signing we had at DT could be gone for the year. It's cool though, last year at this time we were missing Clady, Dumervil, Knowshon, Buckhalter, AND Chris Kuper. The Broncos don't even know if the Warren injury is significant or not yet so maybe ya'll are jumping the gun a bit.

Mr. Laz
08-15-2011, 10:00 PM
http://www.bytelove.com/images/uploads/Bytelove/Generic/haha%20-%20zoom.jpg

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 10:01 PM
He is as good against the pass as he is bad against the run.

No thanks.

That is a misconception brought on by his size. Dumervil is a great all around football player who happens to be a double digit sack guy.

BossChief
08-15-2011, 10:02 PM
That is a misconception brought on by his size. Dumervil is a great all around football player who happens to be a double digit sack guy.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

FOREVER

Its like footballs version of standup comedy!

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:05 PM
This thread really heats my balls.

Who do we have to block on Denver now? Broderick Bunkley?

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 10:06 PM
This thread really heats my balls.

Who do we have to block on Denver now? Broderick Bunkley?

Kevin Vickerson and Marcus Thomas aren't scrubs either. We have a pretty talented DL.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:10 PM
That is a misconception brought on by his size. Dumervil is a great all around football player who happens to be a double digit sack guy.

Per PFF:

Dumervil in 2009: 27th against the run out of 28 3-4 OLBs
Dumervil in 2008: 71st against the run out of 82 4-3 DEs

ALSO

Branden Albert had his two best run blocking games against Dumervil in 2008 AND 2009.

Cliffs: Dumervil sucks against the run and Albert owns him.

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 10:11 PM
Per PFF:

Dumervil in 2009: 27th against the run out of 28 3-4 OLBs
Dumervil in 2008: 71st against the run out of 82 4-3 DEs

ALSO

Branden Albert had his two best run blocking games against Dumervil in 2008 AND 2009.

Cliffs: Dumervil sucks against the run and Albert owns him.

Well Dennis Allen disagrees with PFF's flawed stats.

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/thedrive/Story.aspx?ID=1522961

Pablo
08-15-2011, 10:11 PM
Kevin Vickerson and Marcus Thomas aren't scrubs either. We have a pretty talented DL.Yeah, Kevin Vicker...and hahaha. Wow. Definitely not scrubs.

They'll be so talented you guys will end up in the bottom 1/5th of the league in defending the run.

Pablo
08-15-2011, 10:12 PM
Well Dennis Allen disagrees with PFF's flawed stats.

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/thedrive/Story.aspx?ID=1522961You are seriously one of the most effective trolls I've ever come across on any message board.

It's nearly an art. Really. That's a compliment.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:13 PM
Kevin Vickerson and Marcus Thomas aren't scrubs either. We have a pretty talented DL.

Kevin Vickerson's 2010 ranking against the run:

32nd out of 42 3-4 DEs

Marcus Thomas' 2010 ranking against the run is pretty good.

HOWEVER.

He is now back to playing defensive tackle, which he last played in 2008.

Marcus' Thomas 2008 ranking against the run:

82nd out of 86 4-3 DTs.

Your D-line is good....for Charles to shit on.

|Zach|
08-15-2011, 10:14 PM
That is a misconception brought on by his size. Dumervil is a great all around football player who happens to be a double digit sack guy.

It isn't a misconception. He is a great pass rusher who is weak against the run.

He was playing 3-4 OLB on 09 as a starter. In 07/08 he started as a 5 tech DE.

Through all that time he averaged just over 31 tackles a year.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:15 PM
Well Dennis Allen disagrees with PFF's flawed stats.

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/thedrive/Story.aspx?ID=1522961

Dennis Allen hasn't done shit in pro football.

PFF is on the payroll of NFL teams.

DaFace
08-15-2011, 10:15 PM
You are seriously one of the most effective trolls I've ever come across on any message board.

It's nearly an art. Really. That's a compliment.

I have to agree it's really incredible. After all these years, people still bite every time.

ReynardMuldrake
08-15-2011, 10:16 PM
Well Dennis Allen disagrees with PFF's flawed stats.

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/thedrive/Story.aspx?ID=1522961

Wait, did you just quote your own coaching staff as a statistical counter-argument? And you're trying to be taken seriously?

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:16 PM
Hey KnowNothing: If the Broncos rank below 20th against the run (yards per game) this year, I own your sig for the offseason. If they hit the top 20 you get mine.

Deal?

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 10:17 PM
Vickerson isn't a 3-4 DE, he is a pure 3 tech who is extremely athletic for his size. Marcus Thomas is just now coming into his own, when Shanahan drafted him he said he had a first round grade on him.

|Zach|
08-15-2011, 10:17 PM
I had to google dennis allen.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:21 PM
Vickerson isn't a 3-4 DE, he is a pure 3 tech who is extremely athletic for his size.

OK, so he's a defensive tackle.

Playing DT with the Titans in 2009 he was very average against the run. 41st of 87.

How the fuck does that equate to "really talented?"

Also, as a 3 tech your job is to pressure the QB. He had 7 pressures all year.

Really talented?

You are really stupid.

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 10:23 PM
Hey KnowNothing: If the Broncos rank below 20th against the run (yards per game) this year, I own your sig for the offseason. If they hit the top 20 you get mine.

Deal?

Seeing as how John Fox has had 5 top ten run defenses since 1997 and only two run defenses that weren't ranked in the top 20 how can I decline?

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:24 PM
Seeing as how John Fox has had 5 top ten run defenses since 1997 and only two run defenses that weren't ranked in the top 20 how can I decline?

It's on, bitch.

That's two bets we have.

If I win them both you'll be posting as a Chiefs fan with a Chiefs sig.

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 10:25 PM
You may be the biggest homer this board has seen.

What we play basically the same schedule as the donks, dude is decent but nothing special, the guy is 5'10 250lbs for gods sake.

As far as Jackson goes, he's been terrible thus far but I always try to hold off judgment on linemen until the end of they're third year. They take more time to develop. Not saying he will but, I can hope

Von Dumbass
08-15-2011, 10:27 PM
It's on, bitch.

That's two bets we have.

If I win them both you'll be posting as a Chiefs fan with a Chiefs sig.

You are going to have to create your sig to my specifications though if you lose. I already have it pictured in my head.

Chiefs=Good
08-15-2011, 10:27 PM
Dumervil has more career sacks than Hali and he missed an entire season. I wouldn't trade you Dumervil for Hali and Eric Berry. That is how good he is.

http://www.uptempoairforums.com/uploads/2113/smiley-krs-aahhh.gif

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:27 PM
dude is decent but nothing special, the guy is 5'10 250lbs for gods sake.


He's a 12-15 sacks a year DE if he's healthy.

Jackson will never have that impact.

Fruit Ninja
08-15-2011, 10:27 PM
Dumervil has more career sacks than Hali and he missed an entire season. I wouldn't trade you Dumervil for Hali and Eric Berry. That is how good he is.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c377/kcxiv/iejY6Y.gifWhat?

Mr. Kotter
08-15-2011, 10:28 PM
Bummer, man. :(

OTOH, at least he's a Bronco. Heh.

Saul Good
08-15-2011, 10:31 PM
He's a 12-15 sacks a year DE if he's healthy.

Jackson will never have that impact.

He will never again approach 15 sacks.

Count Alex's Losses
08-15-2011, 10:34 PM
He will never again approach 15 sacks.

Gangbangs get old after awhile.

Bowser
08-15-2011, 10:45 PM
I have to agree it's really incredible. After all these years, people still bite every time.

Eh, it's cool. Garcia Bronco and his reverse mojo schtick was getting old. We needed a new act to hate on.

Dave Lane
08-15-2011, 10:54 PM
Yeah, Kevin Vicker...and hahaha. Wow. Definitely not scrubs.

They'll be so talented you guys will end up in the bottom 1/32nd of the league in defending the run.

FYP

HotRoute
08-15-2011, 11:01 PM
He will never again approach 15 sacks.

This is what I'm trying to say

Okie_Apparition
08-15-2011, 11:13 PM
THere seems to be 1 team in each division that is cursed. The Broncos have replaced the Raiders in the AFC West in that department

BossChief
08-15-2011, 11:23 PM
I hope Dumervil and Miller are both healthy when we play them.

We could have 600 rushing yards against the Broncos alone this year.

ThaVirus
08-16-2011, 12:29 AM
I hope Dumervil and Miller are both healthy when we play them.

We could have 600 rushing yards against the Broncos alone this year.

That would be phenomenal !

chefsos
08-16-2011, 12:58 AM
I hope Dumervil and Miller are both healthy when we play them.

We could have 600 rushing yards against the Broncos alone this year.Hmm...

Think Stanzi can run the Wing T?

Just Passin' By
08-16-2011, 01:43 AM
Well Dennis Allen disagrees with PFF's flawed stats.

http://www.1043thefan.com/Channels/thedrive/Story.aspx?ID=1522961

PFF is a joke, but Dumervil still sucks against the run. If Warren's lost, that'll be a huge loss for the Broncos, because that'll open up another weak spot for opponents to run to.

the Talking Can
08-16-2011, 05:56 AM
belicheck is a dark wizard

Saulbadguy
08-16-2011, 07:33 AM
STAY. DOWN. BITCH.

Los Pollos Hermanos
08-16-2011, 07:51 AM
Kevin Vickerson and Marcus Thomas aren't scrubs either. We have a pretty talented DL.

Marcus Thomas is a scrub. And he's hurt too.

King_Chief_Fan
08-16-2011, 07:53 AM
THere seems to be 1 team in each division that is cursed. The Broncos have replaced the Raiders in the AFC West in that department

PBJ

King_Chief_Fan
08-16-2011, 07:57 AM
You are going to have to create your sig to my specifications though if you lose. I already have it pictured in my head.

isn't that special......bets between KnownMoron and GoChiefs.

Sofa King
08-16-2011, 08:22 AM
You are seriously one of the most effective trolls I've ever come across on any message board.

It's nearly an art. Really. That's a compliment.

For sure.

JD10367
08-16-2011, 08:31 AM
As an ex-Pat, I feed bad for Warren.

If he'd signed with a different team, though, I'd feel worse.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2011, 08:48 AM
VONDOM and that scrub Vickerson are going to get abused all year long in the running game. Jamaal will be breaking into that brokedick secondary with ease.

ChiefsandO'sfan
08-16-2011, 11:20 AM
An MRI revealed that DT Ty Warren has a tear in his triceps.
It's a brutal blow to a defense that was already thin up the gut. Warren was the Broncos' biggest acquisition in free agency, signing a two-year deal after getting cut by the Patriots. After suffering the tear Monday, the Broncos now must consider whether to place Warren on injured reserve. Brodrick Bunkley, who fizzled out with the Eagles, is now the favorite to start next to Kevin Vickerson at defensive tackle. Marcus Thomas (pectoral) is questionable for Week 1. Related: Brodrick Bunkley

Sofa King
08-16-2011, 11:21 AM
Oops!

4th and Long
08-16-2011, 11:29 AM
It's a brutal blow to a defense that was already thin up the gut.
Pittsburgh had the "Steel Curtain Defense."

Here's to Denver having the "Thin As Our Air" defense. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/cheers.gif

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/cheerleader.gifhttp://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/wee.gifhttp://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/cheerleader.gifGO DONKOS!http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/cheerleader.gifhttp://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/wee.gifhttp://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/cheerleader.gif


http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/blueevil.gif

L.A. Chieffan
08-16-2011, 11:31 AM
karma train keeps rollin

Gonzo
08-16-2011, 12:51 PM
An MRI revealed that DT Ty Warren has a tear in his triceps.
It's a brutal blow to a defense that was already thin up the gut. Warren was the Broncos' biggest acquisition in free agency, signing a two-year deal after getting cut by the Patriots. After suffering the tear Monday, the Broncos now must consider whether to place Warren on injured reserve. Brodrick Bunkley, who fizzled out with the Eagles, is now the favorite to start next to Kevin Vickerson at defensive tackle. Marcus Thomas (pectoral) is questionable for Week 1. Related: Brodrick Bunkley

Link?

ChiefsandO'sfan
08-16-2011, 12:53 PM
Link?

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football

wazu
08-16-2011, 01:04 PM
Anybody remember what they paid for Warren?

Gonzo
08-16-2011, 01:07 PM
Anybody remember what they paid for Warren?
1 year, 1 mil I believe. I think its in the op.
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Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 01:07 PM
We do have a somewhat talented DL, however...it's not like we draft in the top 5 year in and out. In fact the last time we drafted in the top ten before this year was slightly after you guys won your last playoff game. :P

Sofa King
08-16-2011, 01:08 PM
We do have a somewhat talented DL, however...it's not like we draft in the top 5 year in and out. In fact the last time we drafted in the top ten before this year was slightly after you guys won your last playoff game. :P

Enjoy drafting there again this year.

FD
08-16-2011, 01:09 PM
Anybody remember what they paid for Warren?

Warren was the Broncos' most expensive free-agent signing as he received a two-year, $8 million contract that includes a $2.5 million signing bonus.

$2.5 Million signing bonus, :doh!:

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 01:10 PM
Enjoy drafting there again this year.

If we max out...and I think we can...8 wins will preclude us from the top ten, and certainly the top 5. However...if you think we can only win 3-4...I can accept your expert opinion has a seasoned fan used to seeing such things. :)

Stinger
08-16-2011, 01:10 PM
We do have a somewhat talented DL, however...it's not like we draft in the top 5 year in and out. In fact the last time we drafted in the top ten before this year was slightly after you guys won your last playoff game. :P

Speaking of playoffs you guys getting back there anytime soon?

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 01:11 PM
Speaking of playoffs you guys getting back there anytime soon?

I think 2 seasons is an honest goal.

Zeke
08-16-2011, 01:12 PM
Anybody remember what they paid for Warren?

2 yr, 8 mil.

Stinger
08-16-2011, 01:14 PM
I think 2 seasons is an honest goal.

Fair enough .... Just the D holding you back IYO or does the off. still need tweeking with new coaches and all?

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2011, 01:14 PM
That team has 4-12 written all over it.

Just Passin' By
08-16-2011, 01:15 PM
I think 2 seasons is an honest goal.

How's that going to happen? You figure the Chargers plane is going to collide with the Chiefs plane in midair?

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 01:15 PM
I think 2 seasons is an honest goal.

Agreed and I think it is realistic if they can improve each week. They need consistency with the coaching and a sound framework, I think they are on a good track. 2011 will be sporadic and it's not like it has been a decade or more since they had playoff success.

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 01:17 PM
How's that going to happen? You figure the Chargers plane is going to collide with the Chiefs plane in midair?

The Chiefs still have a lot to prove.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Fair enough .... Just the D holding you back IYO or does the off. still need tweeking with new coaches and all?

I really think all 3 phases have been holding us back with the defense being the bigger piece of the pie.

We got a new guy calling plays on offense, after one pre-season game all I see is rust out there in one series with the first team. I think the offense needs to prove it can run the ball. We haven't done it well in 3-4 seasons even going back to Shanahan. If that doesn't happen or Kyle Orton doesn't improve or Tebow starts...we'll see 7-8 in the box all day and be lucky to win anything at the LOS.

Hopefully Fox can get this defense to at least passable for an NFL defense. I expect it to take 2 seasons at least and we need to build through the draft with minimal free agents. they rarely ever make an impact statistically speaking.

Just Passin' By
08-16-2011, 01:21 PM
The Chiefs still have a lot to prove.

The Chiefs are trending up, while the Broncos just did the second team gutting in about 3 years.

kysirsoze
08-16-2011, 01:23 PM
How's that going to happen? You figure the Chargers plane is going to collide with the Chiefs plane in midair?

LMAO

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 01:24 PM
How's that going to happen? You figure the Chargers plane is going to collide with the Chiefs plane in midair?

I would never hope for such a thing. I know that was TIC, but I appreciate all the teams in the AFC West and the excitement of each season.

I think right now KC is the best team in the trenches out of the group and that will result in the most wins. Obviously you need some work around your passing game, but you have all the pieces to have a very successful season. It starts at the top. great GM, good coach, strong players. Brandon Flowers, Hali, Charles, and Berry were all excellent pickups.

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 01:28 PM
The Chiefs are trending up, while the Broncos just did the second team gutting in about 3 years.

Sure, but the Broncos have a number of core young players that have arrows pointing up as well... the Broncos are not void of talent. Could they use more? Sure they could .. most teams could.

The team hasn't been "sound" on either side (specifically defense) in half a decade - they've churned too many coaches, schemes and players on defense to be anything more than horrific. That needs to change and the ground game needs to be more consistently productive.

Fix those 2 areas... and you have a team that can win the division in 2 years and that's about how long it should realistically take. Will it happen? Nobody knows.

Kyle Orton was not and is not the problem... is he the long-term answer? Maybe not, but he's certainly capable of being very productive and leading this offense if the support of the ground attack is there and he's not always asked to win a shootout thanks to a sad defense.

BossChief
08-16-2011, 01:39 PM
I bet Bowlen is getting shitfaced right now.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 01:46 PM
Sure, but the Broncos have a number of core young players that have arrows pointing up as well... the Broncos are not void of talent. Could they use more? Sure they could .. most teams could.

The team hasn't been "sound" on either side (specifically defense) in half a decade - they've churned too many coaches, schemes and players on defense to be anything more than horrific. That needs to change and the ground game needs to be more consistently productive.

Fix those 2 areas... and you have a team that can win the division in 2 years and that's about how long it should realistically take. Will it happen? Nobody knows.

Kyle Orton was not and is not the problem... is he the long-term answer? Maybe not, but he's certainly capable of being very productive and leading this offense if the support of the ground attack is there and he's not always asked to win a shootout thanks to a sad defense.

I agree. First and foremost we stability in coaching.

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 01:54 PM
Sure, but the Broncos have a number of core young players that have arrows pointing up as well...


Really?

I see:

Clady
Lloyd (not exactly young, though)
Beadles

Did I miss something?

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 01:54 PM
Honest question for Broncos fans:

On your roster, who is:

1. Good enough to be a key player on a playoff team

2. Young enough to still be good when the team is ready to compete

3. Hasn't had at least 1 major injury

4. Has played a down in an actual NFL game

I come up with 1 guy, MAYBE 2 if you count Orton.

Ugly Duck
08-16-2011, 01:56 PM
It's on, bitch.

That's two bets we have.

Careful, dude. He hasn't yet accepted your bet. He merely asked the question, "how can I decline?" You might want to get a confirmation not quite so weasel-worded.

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 01:56 PM
Really?

I see:

Clady
Lloyd
Beadles

Did I miss something?

Lloyd isn't young.

Just Passin' By
08-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Sure, but the Broncos have a number of core young players that have arrows pointing up as well... the Broncos are not void of talent. Could they use more? Sure they could .. most teams could.

The team hasn't been "sound" on either side (specifically defense) in half a decade - they've churned too many coaches, schemes and players on defense to be anything more than horrific. That needs to change and the ground game needs to be more consistently productive.

Fix those 2 areas... and you have a team that can win the division in 2 years and that's about how long it should realistically take. Will it happen? Nobody knows.

Kyle Orton was not and is not the problem... is he the long-term answer? Maybe not, but he's certainly capable of being very productive and leading this offense if the support of the ground attack is there and he's not always asked to win a shootout thanks to a sad defense.

Yes, if they improve both the offense and the defense, they'll be better. That's not exactly stunning news. The issue is how long that will take. The Chiefs were able to turn things around in 2 years because they had a GM who did a great job and they got an easy schedule, and because one team above them imploded (Broncos), One team above them was the Raiders, and the other is an inconsistent team that had one of its down years.

Pioli's not looking as if he's moving on, and Rivers would seem to have more than 2 good years left. It seems to me that, unless teams outside the division deteriorate without others improving, the Broncos are going to need more than 2 years to get back.

Well, unless that collision happens.

tooge
08-16-2011, 01:57 PM
I agree. First and foremost we stability in coaching.

thats why you should all of it

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 02:04 PM
thats why you should all of it

You can't possibly be suggesting they the whole thing.

Chiefs Pantalones
08-16-2011, 02:09 PM
Is he really done for the season? Ouch. What else is gonna keep them from being gutted up the middle this year now?

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 02:09 PM
Lloyd isn't young.

Hey, I'm trying to throw him a bone.

He's about to come back at me with Robert Ayers or Spencer Larsen. ROFL

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2011, 02:14 PM
What was Ayers grade on PFF?? I'm told he's the bestest run stuffer ever.

tooge
08-16-2011, 02:16 PM
You can't possibly be suggesting they the whole thing.

he can that too

Zeke
08-16-2011, 02:18 PM
wtf is thread?

ReynardMuldrake
08-16-2011, 02:19 PM
he can that too

Don't be so hard on him. The Chiefs stability in coaching, too.

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 02:22 PM
What was Ayers grade on PFF?? I'm told he's the bestest run stuffer ever.

He actually is fairly solid against the run.

As an OLB.

As a DE, it's going to be interesting.

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Honest question for Broncos fans:

On your roster, who is:

1. Good enough to be a key player on a playoff team

2. Young enough to still be good when the team is ready to compete

3. Hasn't had at least 1 major injury

4. Has played a down in an actual NFL game

I come up with 1 guy, MAYBE 2 if you count Orton.

Saul... it's pointless to throw names out there when you and Wendler ask these questions. Anything I offer up will be shot down. I'm fine with that... this is a KC board and I'm not here to convince anyone that Denver isn't staring at 6 combined wins for the next 4 seasons.

Your items suggest that you think two (possibly) Denver players could see significant playing time on a playoff team... that's just absurd.

Yes, if they improve both the offense and the defense, they'll be better. That's not exactly stunning news.

I suppose that is one way to interpret my comment... not what I said though.

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 03:17 PM
I didn't say starting players. I said "key" players.

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 03:20 PM
Saul... it's pointless to throw names out there when you and Wendler ask these questions. Anything I offer up will be shot down.

Subtle doesn't believe in his own "young talent" post.

WESLEY WOODYARD WILL BREAK OUT ANY DAY NOW!

Der Flöprer
08-16-2011, 03:22 PM
I'm heartbroken over that torn tricep. Poor Guy. Poor team...

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-16-2011, 03:24 PM
Subtle doesn't believe in his own "young talent" post.

WESLEY WOODYARD WILL BREAK OUT ANY DAY NOW!

Keep F'n doubting Marcus Thomas!!!

KC Tattoo
08-16-2011, 03:25 PM
I'm heartbroken over that torn tricep. Poor Guy. Poor team...

Yea me too, puts them that much closer too LUCK.

Detoxing
08-16-2011, 03:25 PM
Serious question to the Donkeys:

How's Demaryius (SP?) thomas doing?

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 03:29 PM
Serious question to the Donkeys:

How's Demaryius (SP?) thomas doing?

He's doing great. He just got another training room roommate.

CaliforniaChief
08-16-2011, 03:36 PM
That's gotta be disappointing for Ty Warren. I hate to see a guy get hurt like that, no matter who he plays for.

Detoxing
08-16-2011, 03:40 PM
That's gotta be disappointing for Ty Warren. I hate to see a guy get hurt like that, no matter who he plays for.

Never woulda happened had he signed with the Chiefs....just sayin'...

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 03:47 PM
Serious question to the Donkeys:

How's Demaryius (SP?) thomas doing?

He can't get and sty healthy.

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 03:51 PM
I didn't say starting players. I said "key" players.

Right and part of the flaw that I see in the question you posed is... are you asking for a list of players that fit all 4 of those criteria? Or are you looking for a list of players per each item?

Item #1, is too vague.
Item #2, is positioned to eliminate guys that are 33-34 years old.
Item #3, even if you defined 'major', I don't have the time to go through and look at injury histories. All I can focus on is who is fighting for starting spots and not injured.
Item #4, you can list them all aside from the rookies.

Again - I think you posed a flawed list of criteria.

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 03:56 PM
Right and part of the flaw that I see in the question you posed is... are you asking for a list of players that fit all 4 of those criteria? Or are you looking for a list of players per each item?

Item #1, is too vague.
Item #2, is positioned to eliminate guys that are 33-34 years old.
Item #3, even if you defined 'major', I don't have the time to go through and look at injury histories. All I can focus on is who is fighting for starting spots and not injured.
Item #4, you can list them all aside from the rookies.

Again - I think you posed a flawed list of criteria.

I'm just trying to determine who the Broncos have to build around. Let's. Go about it a different way. What players on your team would you NOT be willing to give up in exchange for a mid-second round pick?

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 05:10 PM
I'm just trying to determine who the Broncos have to build around. Let's. Go about it a different way. What players on your team would you NOT be willing to give up in exchange for a mid-second round pick?

Tim Tebow
Lonnie Paxton
Eric Decker
Walton
Clady
Franklin
Kuper
Walton
Beadltes(SP)
DJ Williams
Von Miller
Dummervil
Eddie Royal
Brandon Lloyd
Matt Prater
Brian Dawkins

and this season Kyle Orton

There are more, but these are the gus you would know without looking at a roster.

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 05:12 PM
Serious question to the Donkeys:

How's Demaryius (SP?) thomas doing?

He can walk now and is doing rehab daily still might not play this season.

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 05:14 PM
Walton
Kuper

ROFL

These guys were terrible last year. JD Walton is one of the worst goddamn centers in the league. Are you serious?


Brian Dawkins

The fuck? He might as well be retired.

Lonnie Paxton


Long snappers FTW!

ROFL

Nice list.

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 05:15 PM
Actually pretty fond of this #Broncos DL right now-if healthy. Miller will be used all over the formation-wreak havoc. Dumervil should be the biggest benefactor of adding V Miller on the other side on throwing downs. Scary. Ayers could shine too-maybe move inside like J Tuck on passing downs. Also-took chances on former 1st rnd picks-could pay off & Bunkley should do well. Just didn't fit what #Eagles are now doing on D


https://twitter.com/#!/WilliamsonNFL

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 05:17 PM
@WilliamsonNFL Agreed, showed ability to stuff run and rush passer in past, just not all together. Lot of talent therehttps://twitter.com/#!/ProFootbalFocus/status/103590517673177088

Dicky McElephant
08-16-2011, 05:17 PM
Tim Tebow
Lonnie Paxton
Eric Decker
Walton
Clady
Franklin
Kuper
Walton
Beadltes(SP)
DJ Williams
Von Miller
Dummervil
Eddie Royal
Brandon Lloyd
Matt Prater
Brian Dawkins

and this season Kyle Orton

There are more, but these are the gus you would know without looking at a roster.

Really? You wouldn't give up your kicker for a 2nd round pick?

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 05:17 PM
Broncos are now forced to pair Vickerson and Bunkley at DT - which ironically enough might be their best pairing there.https://twitter.com/#!/ProFootbalFocus/status/103553967916724224

|Zach|
08-16-2011, 05:18 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/WilliamsonNFL

Is it frustrating that the best short yardage back in the game got cut by the Broncos?

:)

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 05:22 PM
"Ayers could shine"

Knowmo could post reasonable takes

Just Passin' By
08-16-2011, 05:23 PM
"Ayers could shine"

Knowmo could post reasonable takes

Ayers will shine long before Knowmo starts posting reasonable takes. And that's true even if we're talking about the year 2345.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 05:27 PM
ROFL

These guys were terrible last year. JD Walton is one of the worst goddamn centers in the league. Are you serious?



The ****? He might as well be retired.



Long snappers FTW!

ROFL

Nice list.

Walton was a rookie and Kuper was injured along with Clady. Walton is still a question mark, but Chris Kuper is stout. He also got married right before the season. For you married guys...you remember how wierd your mind gets that first year. Our whole line is VERY young and talented. Especially with the addition of Franklin out of Miami. He's playing RT and played guard at Miami...but he's good emough to start. I like our chances with that group.

:Lonnie Paxton is proven..and the long snapper is like managing an email system. Nobody cares about it until it's broken, and everyone knows when it's broke.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 05:29 PM
Really? You wouldn't give up your kicker for a 2nd round pick?

He's a proven player with a great track record. See my comments about the long snapper.

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 05:29 PM
Yep, also explains the scheme diverse guys they acquired. Lets them do a lot with their fronts. Shuld be good to watchhttps://twitter.com/#!/ProFootbalFocus/status/103592003522134016

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 05:30 PM
Is it frustrating that the best short yardage back in the game got cut by the Broncos?

:)

He was the best short yardage back in 08, Willis McGahee has been the best in the game since 09.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 05:30 PM
Ayers will shine long before Knowmo starts posting reasonable takes. And that's true even if we're talking about the year 2345.

we'll see what Ayers does. He was a DE in a 4-3 in college, and was moved to LB in the pros. Now he's back to DE. I'll be interested to see how he does. Obviously I would trade him for a mid-2, but not until week 4. :)

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 05:34 PM
He was the best short yardage back in 08, Willis McGahee has been the best in the game since 09.

I think this was a great pickup. I hope he stays healthy. He can help with our struggles in the RZ.

Dicky McElephant
08-16-2011, 05:41 PM
He's a proven player with a great track record. See my comments about the long snapper.

http://www.memecreator.net/futurama-fry/showimage/421/-NOT-SURE-IF-SERIOUS.jpg

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 05:44 PM
Lonnie Paxton is proven..and the long snapper is like managing an email system. Nobody cares about it until it's broken, and everyone knows when it's broke.

Hey man, you can really build a team around a long snapper.

|Zach|
08-16-2011, 05:44 PM
He was the best short yardage back in 08, Willis McGahee has been the best in the game since 09.

lol

BossChief
08-16-2011, 05:49 PM
He was the best short yardage back in 08, Willis McGahee has been the best in the game since 09.

thanks man!

ROFL

BROKEDICKS FTMFW

BossChief
08-16-2011, 05:52 PM
Tim Tebow
Eric Decker
Clady
Beadltes(SP)
DJ Williams
Von Miller
Dummervil
Eddie Royal


that is all you have to build around and Im giving you a couple huge stretches in Tebow and Decker... IMO...Id even think you should add Julius Thomas to the list because the kid is gonna be pretty good

JMO

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 06:26 PM
Tim Tebow
Lonnie Paxton
Eric Decker
Walton
Clady
Franklin
Kuper
Walton
Beadltes(SP)
DJ Williams
Von Miller
Dummervil
Eddie Royal
Brandon Lloyd
Matt Prater
Brian Dawkins

and this season Kyle Orton

There are more, but these are the gus you would know without looking at a roster.

Holy shit that list is sad. You couldn't give away Orton for a third this offseason. Tebow's third string. Dawkins and Lloyd are 100 years old, and a couple of those guys are specialists.

That roster is a disaster.

BossChief
08-16-2011, 06:32 PM
I would almost be willing to bet that Hali + Houston/Studebaker have more sacks than Miller, Elvis and Ayers for Denver.

Anybody game for a little bet?

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 06:44 PM
I would almost be willing to bet that Hali + Houston/Studebaker have more sacks than Miller, Elvis and Ayers for Denver.

Anybody game for a little bet?

I would take that bet and I would even leave out Ayers and let you add any player on your roster.

Von Dumbass
08-16-2011, 06:45 PM
I don't think I have anything left to bet though lol

BossChief
08-16-2011, 06:46 PM
I would take that bet and I would even leave out Ayers and let you add any player on your roster.

you dont have much left to bet with...

Count Alex's Losses
08-16-2011, 06:50 PM
I would take that bet and I would even leave out Ayers and let you add any player on your roster.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldhmx6dVqP1qdtfdbo1_500.gif

Take his avatar. I've got his sig and his posting style.

Knowmo will be indistinguishable from a Chiefs fan next offseason.

BossChief
08-16-2011, 06:54 PM
I thought his avatar was already spoken for...

Ugly Duck
08-16-2011, 07:38 PM
I think this (McGahee) was a great pickup.

Unfortunately, I agree. Thats a serious upgrade over Moreno. I gotta feeling you'll be changing your name to McGaheeMo before this season is over.

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 07:45 PM
Unfortunately, I agree. Thats a serious upgrade over Moreno. I gotta feeling you'll be changing your name to McGaheeMo before this season is over.

Meh. Dude's going to be 30 and ran for 380 yards last season. He's Thomas Jones at this point in his career.

Ugly Duck
08-16-2011, 07:58 PM
Meh. Dude's going to be 30 and ran for 380 yards last season. He's Thomas Jones at this point in his career.

Absolutely true. And that would still be a serious upgrade over Moreno.

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 08:02 PM
Holy shit that list is sad. You couldn't give away Orton for a third this offseason. Tebow's third string. Dawkins and Lloyd are 100 years old, and a couple of those guys are specialists.

That roster is a disaster.

See, this us why it's pointless to play the list game... I will let them show us what they have during the season.

Saul Good
08-16-2011, 08:05 PM
See, this us why it's pointless to play the list game... I will let them show us what they have during the season.

They did that 16 times last year, and it was pretty pointless as well.

Garcia Bronco
08-16-2011, 08:11 PM
They did that 16 times last year, and it was pretty pointless as well.

Well...you have us at at disadvantage because your team is so much better right, now.

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 09:50 PM
They did that 16 times last year, and it was pretty pointless as well.

I don't care what happened in 2010... it's history. Speaking of history - it's been a long time since January 16, 1993.

DaFace
08-16-2011, 09:55 PM
I don't care what happened in 2010... it's history. Speaking of history - it's been a long time since January 16, 1993.

Oh, c'mon now. You're better than that. Surely you can do better than throwing out playoff smack as if that hasn't been used for the past decade. ROFL

BigMeatballDave
08-16-2011, 09:57 PM
I don't care what happened in 2010... it's history. Speaking of history - it's been a long time since January 16, 1993.Weak Sauce

Mile High Mania
08-16-2011, 09:59 PM
Oh, c'mon now. You're better than that. Surely you can do better than throwing out playoff smack as if that hasn't been used for the past decade. ROFL

:D It's still good to type now and then...

Amnorix
08-16-2011, 11:00 PM
Meanwhile, poor John Fox had an increasingly horrendous roster while he was with the Panthers and couldn't win with the crap he had. Now he inherits a crappy roster and sees what few areas of supposed strength that he did have weakened with serious injuries.

Not that I'm sympathetic for the Broncos, a team that I hate, but I don't hate Fox and pretty much pity him.

talastan
08-18-2011, 03:48 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/18/ty-warren-will-undergo-surgery/


Ty Warren will undergo surgery
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 18, 2011, 12:15 PM EDT

APAfter a few days of discussing options, the Broncos will take the expected course of action with defensive lineman Ty Warren.

The expensive free agent pickup will undergo surgery on his torn triceps and miss 3-6 months. There was some hope Warren could rehab the injury without surgery.

The Broncos are holding out hope Warren could return in mid-November, but that seems like a longshot. They will probably need his roster spot eventually with no guarantee he will actually be able to help them this season.

Warren also missed last season with a hip surgery. Fellow starting defensive tackle Marcus Thomas is also hurt and could miss a few weeks to start the regular season. Kevin Vickerson and Brodrick Bunkley look like the starting defensive tackles now.

talastan
08-18-2011, 03:50 PM
Hey KnowMo looks like that run D is going to look real good now. :thumb:

Von Dumbass
08-18-2011, 05:45 PM
Warren was a washed up bum/CP one week ago

You guys would have been awesome but now Warren is hurt and your run defense sucks again./CP now

BigMeatballDave
08-18-2011, 05:49 PM
Damn. Denver is snake bit.



LMAO

Chiefs Pantalones
08-18-2011, 05:52 PM
It should be fun seeing the Chiefs and Chargers battle for the division again this year.

kysirsoze
08-18-2011, 05:57 PM
Warren was a washed up bum/CP one week ago

You guys would have been awesome but now Warren is hurt and your run defense sucks again./CP now

A. Pretty sure most people wanted Warren here.

B. Denver's run D needed whatever help it could get. He was an upgrade and now you're downgraded again.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Warren was a washed up bum/CP one week ago

You guys would have been awesome but now Warren is hurt and your run defense sucks again./CP now

Enjoy another year in the cellar and turning games off at halftime/CP :)

DaFace
08-18-2011, 06:00 PM
Warren was a washed up bum/CP one week ago

You guys would have been awesome but now Warren is hurt and your run defense sucks again./CP now

I'm gonna have to call "link?" on that first one. We had an entire thread about people wanting him to come to KC.

Von Dumbass
08-18-2011, 06:07 PM
I'm gonna have to call "link?" on that first one. We had an entire thread about people wanting him to come to KC.

The thread where Warren signed with Denver had some of that in there.

|Zach|
08-18-2011, 06:13 PM
The thread where Warren signed with Denver had some of that in there.

Are those same people now saying they are screwed without him?
































































....of course they are not.

Dave Lane
08-18-2011, 07:03 PM
I don't think I have anything left to bet though lol

Your soul perhaps. I'll take it...

Saul Good
08-18-2011, 07:08 PM
Your soul perhaps. I'll take it...

His what? He's a Donk fan.

BossChief
08-18-2011, 07:12 PM
So, are we gonna make a bet...or what?

Lets make sure this year EVERYTHING is easily accessible and in plain terms.

I said I would bet that Houston, Hali and Stud would have more sacks that Miller and Elvis and you said I could add another pass rusher and we would make a bet.

That right?

Mile High Mania
08-19-2011, 06:08 AM
He wants to make a "total sacks" bet ... giving you 4 players to his 2?

Zeke
08-19-2011, 08:06 AM
His what? He's a Donk fan.

Let's not get carried away. It's not like he's a Raida.

Valiant
08-19-2011, 10:35 AM
He wants to make a "total sacks" bet ... giving you 4 players to his 2?

Lol wut?

I know he is a super homer but damn..

Von Dumbass
08-19-2011, 03:05 PM
So, are we gonna make a bet...or what?

Lets make sure this year EVERYTHING is easily accessible and in plain terms.

I said I would bet that Houston, Hali and Stud would have more sacks that Miller and Elvis and you said I could add another pass rusher and we would make a bet.

That right?

I'll take the bet as long as I have an injury clause. If either Doom or Von Miller miss 4 games due to injuries the bet is off.

Zeke
08-19-2011, 03:07 PM
I'll take the bet as long as I have an injury clause. If either Doom or Von Miller miss 4 games due to injuries the bet is off.

ROFL

Von Dumbass
08-19-2011, 03:08 PM
ROFL

I am letting him pick any 4 players from the Chiefs roster...

Saul Good
08-19-2011, 03:50 PM
Last year Elvis and Von combined for 0 sacks, so they are going to have to improve upon that.

Pasta Giant Meatball
08-19-2011, 03:50 PM
Gilberry and Hali alone may combine for 25.

SuperChief
08-19-2011, 04:26 PM
Am I right in assuming the four Chiefs chosen will be Jalil Brown, Donald Washington, Toribio, and McGraw?