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HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 10:05 AM
Far more aggressive and smooth than I expected


CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa (ABC News) — Just hours after presidential candidate Rick Perry said that he would be the kind of president who would be “passionate” about America, the Texas governor suggested that President Obama may not share the sentiment.

“I think you want a president who is passionate about America — that’s in love with America,” Perry said during a visit to the Iowa State Fair on Monday.

At a Republican Party event Monday night, a reporter asked Perry whether he was suggesting that President Obama does not love America.

“You need to ask him,” Perry responded. “I’m saying, you’re a good reporter, go ask him”

Perry’s remarks at a Linn Country Republican Party meet-and-greet in Eastern Iowa included a sharp critique of President Obama’s jobs record on a night when the president held a town hall meeting in Decorah, Iowa, about 100 miles north of here.

“He’s gonna talk about jobs,” Perry said. “But I think the only job he cares about is the one he’s got.”

“I think it’s fair for Iowans to ask the president tomorrow, where are the jobs that you promised, Mr. President?” Perry said. “That’s a fair question to ask this man.”

He called Obama the “greatest threat to our country” and touted his own record of job creation in his state, declaring that Texas has “the strongest economy in the nation.”

“What’s going on in Washington, DC is stunning,” Perry said. “Stunningly bad.”

Jaric
08-16-2011, 10:07 AM
I see a whole lot of sizzle there, but not much steak.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:09 AM
America commits suicide.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:12 AM
He called Obama the “greatest threat to our country” and touted his own record of job creation in his state, declaring that Texas has “the strongest economy in the nation.”

Texas benefits from things before came into power Perry and that have nothing to do with Perry—such as oil.

I thought govt didn't create jobs, but the private sector did Mr. Perry and HCf?
Now it's the govt?

“What’s going on in Washington, DC is stunning,” Perry said. “Stunningly bad.”

He will bring more of the same. See above...since govt creates jobs.

ChiTown
08-16-2011, 10:13 AM
DO NOT LIKE.

My true definition of "All hat, and no cattle"

Brock
08-16-2011, 10:32 AM
DO NOT LIKE.

My true definition of "All hat, and no cattle"

Probably, but IMO he's the most electable of the bunch.

evenfall
08-16-2011, 10:42 AM
I heard a replay of his speech at Reliant stadium the other weekend while listening to AM radio on a road trip. My thought at the end was, this man will be President. Once average conservative people who are at least a little religious and patriotic get to know him, he will present a very attractive alternative to all that Obama is.

Cave Johnson
08-16-2011, 10:45 AM
I'm sure his "Bernanake is treasonous", "iron my shirt" shtick will play real well with moderates. ;)

ChiTown
08-16-2011, 10:50 AM
Probably, but IMO he's the most electable of the bunch.

I don't disagree, which is why I firmly believe that Obama will be a 2-term President - even with his current 39% approval rating.

I can't believe the number of ass-clowns the Republican Party continues to roll out. I mean, seriously, Michele Bachmann? Come on! This wing nut is bat shit crazy with her ultra-conservative religious beliefs and her no porn stance. Ron Paul? Great, he's good with rogue countries having nukes. That should be fun. I actually like most of what Ron Paul says, but let's be serious, he's just not an electable guy. Mitt Romney? Sure, if you like a guy who flip flops more than Al Gore, he's fantastic candidate for the Democrats to beat around.

There's your top 3 (not including the aforementioned Perry) Republican candidates thus far. Yay?:banghead:

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:53 AM
I'm sure his "Bernanake is treasonous", "iron my shirt" shtick will play real well with moderates. ;)

Well moderates don't like what Bernanke is doing.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:55 AM
I heard a replay of his speech at Reliant stadium the other weekend while listening to AM radio on a road trip. My thought at the end was, this man will be President. Once average conservative people who are at least a little religious and patriotic get to know him, he will present a very attractive alternative to all that Obama is.

And America will start another war circa 1930's Germany. Sad.

Donger
08-16-2011, 10:57 AM
And America will start another war circa 1930's Germany. Sad.

And you wonder why some think you are batshit crazy.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:57 AM
Ron Paul? Great, he's good with rogue countries having nukes. That should be fun.

Yeah, a country that hasn't invaded anyone is now "rogue". Being rogue must be in vogue since we invade because of what a country might do.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:58 AM
And you wonder why some think you are batshit crazy.

Some think that about you Mr. Imperialist. You can't be sane where the insane rule the world. There was a movie about this phenomena. Your using the mental health tactic shows me you're a leftist deep down. Off to the gulag! You must love Murdoch's socialist roots.

BigChiefFan
08-16-2011, 10:59 AM
I told you long ago, they would trot his ass out as the Good 'Ol Boy, to save the sinking ship. He's another, bought and paid for, stooge. You sheep, never learn.

PunkinDrublic
08-16-2011, 11:00 AM
I don't disagree, which is why I firmly believe that Obama will be a 2-term President - even with his current 39% approval rating.

I can't believe the number of ass-clowns the Republican Party continues to roll out. I mean, seriously, Michele Bachmann? Come on! This wing nut is bat shit crazy with her ultra-conservative religious beliefs and her no porn stance. Ron Paul? Great, he's good with rogue countries having nukes. That should be fun. I actually like most of what Ron Paul says, but let's be serious, he's just not an electable guy. Mitt Romney? Sure, if you like a guy who flip flops more than Al Gore, he's fantastic candidate for the Democrats to beat around.

There's your top 3 (not including the aforementioned Perry) Republican candidates thus far. Yay?:banghead:


It's funny I haven't met one person here who likes Perry and everybody I've talked to hates him conservative and liberal. Last race for Gov was supposed to be his comeuppance yet he won again. Perry is as phoney as they come but is a master politician who knows how to win elections.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 11:02 AM
It's funny I haven't met one person here who likes Perry and everybody I've talked to hates him conservative and liberal. Last race for Gov was supposed to be his comeuppance yet he won again. Perry is as phoney as they come but is a master politician who knows how to win elections.

I read the Lt Gov of Texas holds the real power anyway.

Dave Lane
08-16-2011, 11:02 AM
I LOVE me some Rick Perry! Go Perry go!!

ROYC75
08-16-2011, 11:05 AM
I think Perry has too much baggage. Of all the R's throwing out now, he is the one that looks and acts presidential. Problem is, I don't think he can be the part once in office.

He's another Obama from the other side. Same goes for Romney.

That leaves me down to Paul or Gingrich.

This is so sad................Sad I tell ya.

If Newt had not thrown Ryan under the bus,and been serious about campaigning early he might have won this. He has a very big uphill battle,he's smart, has good ideas, but can he mend the fences with the R's can he get the I's to vote for him.

I just don't think so.

Brock
08-16-2011, 11:06 AM
I told you long ago, they would trot his ass out as the Good 'Ol Boy, to save the sinking ship. He's another, bought and paid for, stooge. You sheep, never learn.

Yeah, you're really telling us all something we don't know. Try to figure out how to use commas properly, genius.

Brock
08-16-2011, 11:06 AM
I think Perry has too much baggage. Of all the R's throwing out now, he is the one that looks and acts presidential. Problem is, I don't think he can be the part once in office.

He's another Obama from the other side. Same goes for Romney.

That leaves me down to Paul or Gingrich.

This is so sad................Sad I tell ya.

If Newt had not thrown Ryan under the buss,and been serious about campaigning early he might have won this. He has a very big uphill battle,he's smart, has good ideas, but can mend fences with the R's can he get the I's to vote for him.

I just don't think so.


Gingrich is dead. Paul will never be president. Deal with reality.

ChiTown
08-16-2011, 11:10 AM
I think Perry has too much baggage. Of all the R's throwing out now, he is the one that looks and acts presidential. Problem is, I don't think he can be the part once in office.

He's another Obama from the other side. Same goes for Romney.

That leaves me down to Paul or Gingrich.

This is so sad................Sad I tell ya.

If Newt had not thrown Ryan under the buss,and been serious about campaigning early he might have won this. He has a very big uphill battle,he's smart, has good ideas, but can mend fences with the R's can he get the I's to vote for him.

I just don't think so.

Gingrich NEVER EVER had a chance. As a former SotH, he had WAY too much professional baggage, not to mention his personal misgivings with his marriages.

BigChiefFan
08-16-2011, 11:13 AM
Yeah, you're really telling us all something we don't know. Try to figure out how to use commas properly, genius.

I'm sorry I don't have the time to correct every grammatical error. I'm doing other things, as well, you know, but nice deflection from the topic at hand. Take your bitter tripe and wreck someone's day-I don't have time for games. Oh and obviously the sheep still graze, since there are some, in this very thread, that are endorsing Perry. Here's a nice, warm glass...

DaKCMan AP
08-16-2011, 11:15 AM
Does his economic policy consist of a national day of prayer for more jobs?

Brock
08-16-2011, 11:18 AM
I'm sorry I don't have the time to correct every grammatical error. I'm doing other things, as well, you know, but nice deflection from the topic at hand. Take your bitter tripe and wreck someone's day-I don't have time for games. Oh and obviously the sheep still graze, since there are some, in this very thread, that are endorsing Perry. Here's a nice, warm glass...

There isn't one person in this thread endorsing Perry, dumbbell, with the exception of Dave who's only doing it because he's an Obamaton.

Cave Johnson
08-16-2011, 11:18 AM
Does his economic policy consist of a national day of prayer for more jobs?

It's working well for Tebow right now......

ROYC75
08-16-2011, 11:22 AM
Gingrich NEVER EVER had a chance. As a former SotH, he had WAY too much professional baggage, not to mention his personal misgivings with his marriages.

I'm not behind either, I was just speaking about how sad it is. Newt would serve as a better VP candidate. Paul, Like I said in other post & threads, I do not see him getting elected, I fear his FP.

Dave Lane
08-16-2011, 11:28 AM
There isn't one person in this thread endorsing Perry, dumbbell, with the exception of Dave who's only doing it because he's an Obamaton.

Hey I'd vote republican if they had a centrist candidate. The problem is the teaparty has pulled them far too right to be electable. Plain and simple, all the R candidates have huge issues, Romney is the only one that will get over 35% of the vote against Obama.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 11:33 AM
Hey I'd vote republican if they had a centrist candidate. The problem is the teaparty has pulled them far too right to be electable. Plain and simple, all the R candidates have huge issues, Romney is the only one that will get over 35% of the vote against Obama.

Romney will have a tough time getting the nomination with Perry in now. He's another governor which helps.

If Perry wasn't an Israel firster, and did that Countrywide thing, I could actually vote for him. He's now in the pocket of the big banks. I don't like them.

Cave Johnson
08-16-2011, 11:43 AM
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/512/gwperry.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/gwperry.jpg/)

Graystoke
08-16-2011, 01:18 PM
I don't disagree, which is why I firmly believe that Obama will be a 2-term President - even with his current 39% approval rating.

I can't believe the number of ass-clowns the Republican Party continues to roll out. I mean, seriously, Michele Bachmann? Come on! This wing nut is bat shit crazy with her ultra-conservative religious beliefs and her no porn stance. Ron Paul? Great, he's good with rogue countries having nukes. That should be fun. I actually like most of what Ron Paul says, but let's be serious, he's just not an electable guy. Mitt Romney? Sure, if you like a guy who flip flops more than Al Gore, he's fantastic candidate for the Democrats to beat around.

There's your top 3 (not including the aforementioned Perry) Republican candidates thus far. Yay?:banghead:

THIS X 10

alnorth
08-16-2011, 04:41 PM
I don't disagree, which is why I firmly believe that Obama will be a 2-term President - even with his current 39% approval rating.

I can't believe the number of ass-clowns the Republican Party continues to roll out. I mean, seriously, Michele Bachmann? Come on! This wing nut is bat shit crazy with her ultra-conservative religious beliefs and her no porn stance. Ron Paul? Great, he's good with rogue countries having nukes. That should be fun. I actually like most of what Ron Paul says, but let's be serious, he's just not an electable guy. Mitt Romney? Sure, if you like a guy who flip flops more than Al Gore, he's fantastic candidate for the Democrats to beat around.

There's your top 3 (not including the aforementioned Perry) Republican candidates thus far. Yay?:banghead:

I think I agree in general, but not in the details, I give Romney more credit than you do. Ron Paul won't win the nomination, Romney will struggle to win the nomination and would have a slim chance if he did, and Perry/Bachmann will not win. At this time, Obama has to be the odds-on favorite, economy be damned due primarily to the weakness of the GOP field.

About Perry though. Perry has many serious problems. One, superficially his attitude (as displayed yesterday re: Bernanke) is going to put off a lot of people, and he sounds eerily like Bush, which is never a good thing for electability. Second, this dumbass governor didn't give a damn about his duty to review death penalty cases and negligently let a man who is clearly innocent die, which may or may not become an issue. You've got secession talk, which is going to go over like a lead balloon with the voters in middle america. Finally, and most importantly, he has gone on the record as wanting to abolish social security and medicare, letting states run, or not run if they don't want to, their own elderly programs. When the AARP gets through beating up on him, he'll be a red sticky smudge on the dirt.

Rick Perry might win the nomination, but he is unelectable, period. In fact, he is the least electable candidate in the entire field, Bachmann would have a better chance.

Bush has proven, thoroughly, in 2 elections that a bad unpopular candidate who should lose, wont lose if the other party nominates a dud. Obama is a far stronger candidate, even now, than Bush was in his two races, and the main 3 talked about by the press are as bad if not much worse than Kerry. I would not be surprised at all if Obama had a net zero 47-47 approval rating on the eve of the election but goes on to win by a comfortable margin anyway.

suzzer99
08-16-2011, 04:44 PM
FWIW this is from a poster on the poker forum I hang out on (twoplustwo.com) who supposedly knows Perry personally. I have no way of verifying this, but the poster has been around since 2004, with 4k posts and I've never seen him post anything crazy-sounding before. I think his politics are libertarian.

Originally Posted by Spladle
I suppose it depends on what you think "crazy" means. And to be fair I'm not as familiar with Bachmann on a personal level as I am with Perry. She might be a great deal less stable than she comes off on TV. Having dined with the governor half a dozen times over the past six years, though, I don't mind saying that he scares the **** out of me. His vision of America is that of a police state with "double" our present prison population and "mandatory" executions for every convicted murderer nationwide (including women and doctors who conspire to perform abortions).

To be fair, he says a lot of stuff he doesn't actually believe, particularly in the company of people like my family. But he's not a very good liar. The fake affection he shows for his wife, as an example, is glaring - it sticks out like a sore thumb. Even my grandmother comments on it. His passion for re-making this country into a fascist dictatorship, by contrast, is genuine, and makes Bachmann's desire to criminalize pornography and amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage seem quite tame in comparison.

For people who think Bachmann is crazier, I suppose my question would be - why? I guess it's true that I could have spoken too soon. All I know about her is what I've seen and read. From what I can tell, the New Yorker article is basically just a re-hash of an earlier Matt Taibbi article in the Rolling Stone, which was itself basically just a re-hash of a 2006 piece by GR Anderson from City Pages. I understand that she's not the sanest, but nothing I've been exposed to has yielded the same degree of blood-chilling terror I felt while listening to him describe a future where failing to raise children with "Christian morals" could legally constitute "child abuse," thereby legitimizing state intervention and confiscation in order to prevent the very fabric of society from unraveling, which he sees as an inevitable result of atheism becoming more widespread.

Is Michele Bachmann even worse? Maybe. But if so, I don't know it yet. What are the people who think this aware of that I'm not? Genuinely curious.

ChiTown
08-16-2011, 04:44 PM
I think I agree in general, but not in the details, I give Romney more credit than you do. Ron Paul won't win the nomination, Romney will struggle to win the nomination and would have a slim chance if he did, and Perry/Bachmann will not win. At this time, Obama has to be the odds-on favorite, economy be damned due primarily to the weakness of the GOP field.

About Perry though. Perry has many serious problems. One, superficially his attitude (as displayed yesterday re: Bernanke) is going to put off a lot of people, and he sounds eerily like Bush, which is never a good thing for electability. Second, this dumbass governor didn't give a damn about his duty to review death penalty cases and negligently let a man who is clearly innocent die, which may or may not become an issue. You've got secession talk, which is going to go over like a lead balloon with the voters in middle america. Finally, and most importantly, he has gone on the record as wanting to abolish social security and medicare, letting states run, or not run if they don't want to, their own elderly programs. When the AARP gets through beating up on him, he'll be a red sticky smudge on the dirt.

Rick Perry might win the nomination, but he is unelectable, period. In fact, he is the least electable candidate in the entire field, Bachmann would have a better chance.

Bush has proven, thoroughly, in 2 elections that a bad unpopular candidate who should lose, wont lose if the other party nominates a dud. Obama is a far stronger candidate, even now, than Bush was in his two races, and the main 3 talked about by the press are as bad if not much worse than Kerry. I would not be surprised at all if Obama had a net zero approval rating on the eve of the election but goes on to win by a comfortable margin anyway.

I, unfortunately, agree.

KC native
08-16-2011, 04:46 PM
I think I agree in general, but not in the details, I give Romney more credit than you do. Ron Paul won't win the nomination, Romney will struggle to win the nomination and would have a slim chance if he did, and Perry/Bachmann will not win. At this time, Obama has to be the odds-on favorite, economy be damned due primarily to the weakness of the GOP field.

About Perry though. Perry has many serious problems. One, superficially his attitude (as displayed yesterday re: Bernanke) is going to put off a lot of people, and he sounds eerily like Bush, which is never a good thing for electability. Second, this dumbass governor didn't give a damn about his duty to review death penalty cases and negligently let a man who is clearly innocent die, which may or may not become an issue. You've got secession talk, which is going to go over like a lead balloon with the voters in middle america. Finally, and most importantly, he has gone on the record as wanting to abolish social security and medicare, letting states run, or not run if they don't want to, their own elderly programs. When the AARP gets through beating up on him, he'll be a red sticky smudge on the dirt.

Rick Perry might win the nomination, but he is unelectable, period. In fact, he is the least electable candidate in the entire field, Bachmann would have a better chance.

Bush has proven, thoroughly, in 2 elections that a bad unpopular candidate who should lose, wont lose if the other party nominates a dud. Obama is a far stronger candidate, even now, than Bush was in his two races, and the main 3 talked about by the press are as bad if not much worse than Kerry. I would not be surprised at all if Obama had a net zero 47-47 approval rating on the eve of the election but goes on to win by a comfortable margin anyway.

hey more sanity out here. Bad alnorth. :grr:

CoMoChief
08-16-2011, 04:46 PM
this guy's a fucking snake.

hell he worked as Al Gore's cheif of staff back in 1988.

banyon
08-16-2011, 05:05 PM
this guy's a ****ing snake.

hell he worked as Al Gore's cheif of staff back in 1988.

Interesting, although I think it's a big different:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry#Lieutenant_governor

In 1984, Perry was elected to the Texas House of Representatives as a Democrat from district 64 that included his home county of Haskell. He served on the House Appropriations and Calendars committees during his three two-year terms in office. He befriended fellow freshman state representative Lena Guerrero of Austin, a staunch liberal Democrat who endorsed Perry's reelection bid in 2006 on personal, rather than philosophical, grounds. Perry was part of the "Pit Bulls", a group of Appropriations members who sat on the lower dais in the committee room (or "pit") who pushed for austere state budgets during the 1980s.

Perry supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic presidential primaries as chairman of the Gore campaign in Texas.[16][17]

Ugly Duck
08-16-2011, 07:48 PM
Perry & Bachman will split the wackadoodle nutball coocoobird vote - Romney is laughing his ass off right now.

alnorth
08-16-2011, 08:49 PM
Perry & Bachman will split the wackadoodle nutball coocoobird vote - Romney is laughing his ass off right now.

Another thing I read about which is interesting is the timing. Earlier primaries (not sure which date) have to give delegates out proportionately, but later primaries can have winner-take-all. Almost all of the later states have elected for winner-take-all.

The earlier states are more biased towards the far right tea party wing where Bachmann and Perry might do well and Romney might struggle. He'll have a few states he can win, but its going to be a daily drip of bad news. However, in those early states where Romney is not favored he'll still be able to split and get some delegates. The later winner-take-all primaries include a ton of states that Romney could win, if he's still alive. If he is still alive, and he wins a lot of those winner take all states where he's currently favored, he can emerge victorious with more delegates even with possibly less of the national popular vote. That happened to Hillary a little bit, a lot of the states she won were early and Obama split, but a lot of the late winner take all states Obama took to knock her out, Obama just had to survive.

Assuming a lot of states don't change their voting date and the RNC doesn't change the rules, then the path is clear. Bachmann and Perry, in addition to needing to knock each other out, also need to skunk Romney early, denying him victories for such a long time that his side is demoralized and the late states he may have otherwise won shift away from him. If Romney is still strong and viable late, then Bachmann and Perry probably will not beat him. Romney needs to survive through March. He needs a victory and a decent story to keep everyone believing he can win every week or so, to carry him through to his endgame.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 09:02 PM
About Perry though. Perry has many serious problems. One, superficially his attitude (as displayed yesterday re: Bernanke) is going to put off a lot of people,

It will put off the right people, imo. Others, like the grassroots will like it. Unless they're a dyed-in-the-wool Keynesian.

alnorth
08-16-2011, 09:11 PM
It will put off the right people, imo. Others, like the grassroots will like it. Unless they're a dyed-in-the-wool Keynesian.

I'm not thinking left-right, I'm thinking the vast mushy middle that pays little attention until the campaigns heat up. They aren't going to vote for an arrogant cowboy who idly threatens people with bodily harm, even jokingly.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:03 PM
I'm not thinking left-right, I'm thinking the vast mushy middle that pays little attention until the campaigns heat up. They aren't going to vote for an arrogant cowboy who idly threatens people with bodily harm, even jokingly.

Well that's true but I don't mean the bodily harm part—just the Ben Bernanke comment. That's just sick on the bodily harm. There's a LOT of moderates out there that think Bernanke is off the charts these days too. This is one of the things that's upsetting folks who think the country is on the wrong track ( a majority) and thought the same under Bush. Polls have even showed more Independents actually like Ron Paul more than the Rs. The Establishment is tone-deaf.

alnorth
08-16-2011, 10:07 PM
Well that's true but I don't mean the bodily harm part—just the Ben Bernanke comment. That's just sick on the bodily harm. There's a LOT of moderates out there that think Bernanke is off the charts these days too. This is one of the things that's upsetting folks who think the country is on the wrong track ( a majority) and thought the same under Bush. Polls have even showed more Independents actually like Ron Paul more than the Rs.

oh sure, Bernanke is not above criticism, he is fair game. Perry just went a little nuts the other day, and if that is a representative sample of what we will hear in early 2012, he's toast.

HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 10:09 PM
(Rasmussen) — Texas Governor Rick Perry, the new face in the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, has jumped to a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann with the other announced candidates trailing even further behind.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary voters, taken Monday night, finds Perry with 29% support. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who ran unsuccessfully for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, earns 18% of the vote, while Bachmann, the Minnesota congresswoman who won the high-profile Ames Straw Poll in Iowa on Saturday, picks up 13%.

Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who was a close second to Bachmann on Saturday, has the support of nine percent (9%) of Likely Primary Voters, followed by Georgia businessman Herman Cain at six percent (6%) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich with five percent (5%). Rick Santorum, former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, and ex-Utah Governor Jon Huntsman each get one percent (1%) support, while Michigan Congressman Thaddeus McCotter comes in statistically at zero.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:26 PM
oh sure, Bernanke is not above criticism, he is fair game. Perry just went a little nuts the other day, and if that is a representative sample of what we will hear in early 2012, he's toast.

I thought he just said he was guilty of treason. That's all I read anyway.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:27 PM
(Rasmussen) — Texas Governor Rick Perry, the new face in the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, has jumped to a double-digit lead over Mitt Romney and Michele Bachmann with the other announced candidates trailing even further behind.

Rasmussen favors the Republican Establishment. However, if it holds true, I may just have to vote for Obama to keep him out.

orange
08-16-2011, 11:38 PM
There's a LOT of moderates out there that think Bernanke is off the charts these days too.

Please. There aren't "a LOT of moderates out there" that even know who Bernanke is.

NEW YORK, Nov. 1, 2010 /PRNewswire/ -- Several recent polls have shown how few people are well-informed on important subjects. In fact, recent Harris Polls have shown how few people know what is in the health care reform bill, commonly called Obamacare by its critics. Now, a new Harris Poll shows how many people do not know enough about major leaders in Washington to have opinions about them. Majorities of Americans do not know enough to have opinions about Defense Secretary Robert Gates (53%), Chief Justice John Roberts (60%), Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke (52%), Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner (59%), or House Minority Leader John Boehner (63%), who may well be the Speaker of the House after the November 2nd elections.

They just know another loud-mouthed Texan shot off his mouth about hanging someone.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-16-2011, 11:40 PM
Rasmussen favors the Republican Establishment. However, if it holds true, I may just have to vote for Obama to keep him out.

You can lineup to get your Perry Mandated Gardasil vaccine.

Cave Johnson
08-17-2011, 01:51 PM
Rick Perry, reformer.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/08/perrys-corrupt-money-base.html

Perry has received a total of $37 million over the last decade from just 150 individuals and couples, who are likely to form the backbone of his new effort to win the Republican presidential nomination. The tally represented more than a third of the $102 million he had raised as governor through December, according to data compiled by the watchdog group Texans for Public Justice. <b>Nearly half of those mega-donors received hefty business contracts, tax breaks or appointments under Perry, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis.</b>

SNR
08-17-2011, 02:04 PM
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Yeah, I know Alex Jones is a tinfoil hat-wearing radio troll who could make sense to people if he wouldn't immerse himself in so many damn conspiracy theories.

But he brings up a good point. We've known about Perry. The Republicans have known about Perry. Texans know about Perry. We've known what he is and what he represents for at least two years, ever since his name was mentioned as a possible 2012 candidate.

And yet the man (Perry) makes one speech and all of a sudden Republicans everywhere go "Yup. Yup. He's the one. Sure is. Thank God for Rick Perry."

It's fucking ridiculous. Most of the country knows piddle shit about him, and yet they're instantly pulling the lever for him because he has GW Bush-like Texas charm.

Fuck acting presidential. Fuck having an honest face with a good haircut. People don't fucking learn. That's why this country's so fucking stupid.

go bowe
08-17-2011, 02:07 PM
Rick Perry, reformer.

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/08/perrys-corrupt-money-base.html

the more i hear about this guy the less i like him...

surely the pubs can find a better candidate...

hell, in this field ron paul is starting to look good... :eek: :eek: :eek:

go bowe
08-17-2011, 02:10 PM
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Yeah, I know Alex Jones is a tinfoil hat-wearing radio troll who could make sense to people if he wouldn't immerse himself in so many damn conspiracy theories.

But he brings up a good point. We've known about Perry. The Republicans have known about Perry. Texans know about Perry. We've known what he is and what he represents for at least two years, ever since his name was mentioned as a possible 2012 candidate.

And yet the man (Perry) makes one speech and all of a sudden Republicans everywhere go "Yup. Yup. He's the one. Sure is. Thank God for Rick Perry."

It's fucking ridiculous. Most of the country knows piddle shit about him, and yet they're instantly pulling the lever for him because he has GW Bush-like Texas charm.

Fuck acting presidential. Fuck having an honest face with a good haircut. People don't fucking learn. That's why this country's so fucking stupid.
compared to the rest of the field rick perry at least sounds sane, most of the time...

SNR
08-17-2011, 02:17 PM
compared to the rest of the field rick perry at least sounds sane, most of the time...He doesn't sound sane. He sounds like a normal politician, which is familiar. But it's not sane.

If people want leadership from a president, they should try electing someone who won't lie. Perry will end up just as bad as Bush.

mlyonsd
08-17-2011, 02:19 PM
He doesn't sound sane. He sounds like a normal politician, which is familiar. But it's not sane.

If people want leadership from a president, they should try electing someone who won't lie. Perry will end up just as bad as Bush.Or Obama.

Extra Point
08-17-2011, 02:22 PM
And yet the man (Perry) makes one speech and all of a sudden Republicans everywhere go "Yup. Yup. He's the one. Sure is. Thank God for Rick Perry."

It's ****ing ridiculous. Most of the country knows piddle shit about him, and yet they're instantly pulling the lever for him because he has GW Bush-like Texas charm.

**** acting presidential. **** having an honest face with a good haircut. People don't ****ing learn. That's why this country's so ****ing stupid.
Yeah, but can he appear on a talk show and play a musical instrument, then have someone like Perot derail an election for him?

SNR
08-17-2011, 02:25 PM
Or Obama.Definitely. In fact Obama's an even better case. People foolishly thought he was different. People thought he had integrity and honor.

Trusting these assholes gets you nowhere.

BucEyedPea
08-17-2011, 05:09 PM
Paul is ahead of Perry in—————————————————————TEXAS!

Paul 22%
Perry 17%

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/#ixzz1VJOkExy2



...and closing in on him in New Hampshire while he beats Michele.

http://nhjournal.com/2011/08/17/poll-romney-rocks-perry-pops-bachmann-doesn%E2%80%99t-bounce/#.TkwGCgbw3iM.twitter

CoMoChief
08-17-2011, 06:17 PM
if people REALLY want real change in America, vote Ron Paul. He'll at least get things started. The others in the mix don't give two shits about bringing stability back to this country nor it's prosperity, or recent lack there of.

BucEyedPea
08-17-2011, 06:44 PM
You can lineup to get your Perry Mandated Gardasil vaccine.

Found out today that Mitt actually supports Bernanke. Wow! He's either ignorant and clueless or totally owned.

alnorth
08-17-2011, 07:51 PM
Paul is ahead of Perry in—————————————————————TEXAS!

Paul 22%
Perry 17%

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-clobbers-rick-perry-in-latest-poll/#ixzz1VJOkExy2



...and closing in on him in New Hampshire while he beats Michele.

http://nhjournal.com/2011/08/17/poll-romney-rocks-perry-pops-bachmann-doesn%E2%80%99t-bounce/#.TkwGCgbw3iM.twitter

I hate to say it, but I'm gonna need confirmation of that Texas poll. I read the polling firm's bit on their Texas Ron Paul poll, and the way they decided who to call up sounds a little hinkey to me. Rather than just poll people at random, maybe cull the registered voters or likely voters out of the adults, they went with some mysterious list of intelligent republican activists, or something. That might be a good way to figure out what would happen if Texas had a straw poll.