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banyon
08-16-2011, 05:30 PM
Note: this is not an Onion article

Karl Rove Warns Against 'Extreme' Candidates In GOP Primary
Jon Terbush | Aug. 15, 2011, 3:52 PM | 3,639 | 45

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Even Karl Rove thinks Republicans should be wary of nominating an "extreme" candidate to take on President Obama.

In an appearance on Fox News Monday, Rove warned that presidential aspirants who run too far to the right in the GOP primary could end up reducing their electability in the general election.

"You don't want these candidates moving so right in the Republican primary that it becomes impossible for them to win the general election, because it will become a self-defeating message in the primary," Rove said.

Rove didn't name any specific candidates, though his statement came just two days after Tea Party favorite Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) won the Ames Straw Poll and after Texas Governor Rick Perry formally launched his campaign. That warning could also apply to the entire Republican field, as the candidates have at times jockeyed with each other to court conservative voters -- think last week's debate in which all the candidates said they wouldn't support a debt reduction deal even if spending cuts outweighed revenue increases 10-to-1.

Rove isn't the first Republican to comment on the electability of the GOP candidates. A Wall Street Journal editorial published on Monday also explored the possibility that Bachmann and Perry, though appealing to conservative voters, would have trouble unifying a broader base in a general election.

http://topics.dallasnews.com/article/02wf4AidQt3kj?q=U.S.+Republican+Party

Stewie
08-16-2011, 05:32 PM
Didn't he see that the Republicans want Obama to be re-elected? This is miles behind the times.

Mr. Kotter
08-16-2011, 05:32 PM
Duh!

BigChiefFan
08-16-2011, 05:34 PM
"Extreme" meaning, anybody who isn't a neo-con.

HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 05:49 PM
Extreme to Obots is anyone who can beat Obama?

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 06:04 PM
"Extreme" meaning, anybody who isn't a neo-con.

Pretty much.

Ugly Duck
08-16-2011, 07:45 PM
Note: this is not an Onion article

Thanks for that... its kinda hard to tell now that the Teapublican Party is calling the shots on the right...

stevieray
08-16-2011, 07:57 PM
Thanks for that... its kinda hard to tell now that the Teapublican Party is calling the shots on the right...

..pretty sure almost every lib, including you, has tried numerous times to denounce or attempt to make them irrelevant... and when that doesn't work, you put them in charge?

vagina, heal thyself.

Donger
08-16-2011, 08:01 PM
I smell fear.

banyon
08-16-2011, 08:07 PM
Extreme to Obots is anyone who can beat Obama?

Karl Rove is now an Obot?

HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 08:07 PM
Who, running against Obama, is not an extremist?

dirk digler
08-16-2011, 08:08 PM
Double duh

banyon
08-16-2011, 08:11 PM
Who, running against Obama, is not an extremist?

Karl Rove is now an Obot?

HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 08:17 PM
Who did Rove say was an extremist?

banyon
08-16-2011, 08:18 PM
Who did Rove say was an extremist?

WTH did this mean then?:

Extreme to Obots is anyone who can beat Obama?

HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 08:24 PM
WTH did this mean then?:

All Republicans and any dem who opposes Obama is an extremist.

banyon
08-16-2011, 08:26 PM
All Republicans and any dem who opposes Obama is an extremist.

Is that what you think Rove said?

HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 08:30 PM
I dont know, you are the one who seemed to begin this bullshit. What do you think Rove implied?

dirk digler
08-16-2011, 08:33 PM
I dont know, you are the one who seemed to begin this bullshit. What do you think Rove implied?

bachmann and perry (who he hates)

banyon
08-16-2011, 08:34 PM
bachmann and perry (who he hates)

See, that wasn't that hard to figure out. :D

HonestChieffan
08-16-2011, 08:36 PM
So this is another Banyon fears Perry thing? Damn. Banyon hates Perry and BEP hates anyone but RP. I need to remember this.

dirk digler
08-16-2011, 08:40 PM
See, that wasn't that hard to figure out. :D

Apparently it was for the old man :)

banyon
08-16-2011, 08:52 PM
So this is another Banyon fears Perry thing? Damn. Banyon hates Perry and BEP hates anyone but RP. I need to remember this.

I don't fear anybody. I thought since this was a political forum and all, people might be interested to hear one of the foremost Republican political strategists of the last decade thinks some of the field is too extreme.

And even though you had the time to pretend you didn't know what it was about for several posts, I guess you found it interesting too.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 09:05 PM
So this is another Banyon fears Perry thing? Damn. Banyon hates Perry and BEP hates anyone but RP. I need to remember this.

I never said I "hated" anyone. Quit makin' stuff up. I look at the voting records of these Rs who sound good at first. I just KNOW Republicans DO NOT repeal govt programs or make real cuts in spending. NONE of the ones running will. Well, I think Bachmann would make a sincere attempt but she's an Israel Firster which increases the likelihood of another war. Otherwise I'd consider her even though I don't agree with her nationalizing certain social issues. I don't think those would pass.

Mr. Kotter
08-16-2011, 09:27 PM
I don't fear anybody. I thought since this was a political forum and all, people might be interested to hear one of the foremost Republican political strategists of the last decade thinks some of the field is too extreme.

And even though you had the time to pretend you didn't know what it was about for several posts, I guess you found it interesting too.

HCF....has become the right's version of jAZ. Engage at your own risk (for wasting your time.)

Direckshun
08-16-2011, 09:27 PM
Sadly, there are more extreme candidates in the top tier than non extreme.

Bachmann and Perry will cancel each other out. Romney emerges.

BucEyedPea
08-16-2011, 10:01 PM
What is extreme to one is subjective to a good degree. I think what's in office is an extremist.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-17-2011, 12:17 AM
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Iowa%20Straw%20Poll%20Bachman.jpg

orange
08-17-2011, 02:47 AM
Did RP's campaign purchase tickets for people to vote for him like Bachmann's did?
Submitted by atrickpay on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:01


Submitted by IMissLiberty on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:26.
Didn't you see all the threads here on the DP asking for volunteers to call supporters in Iowa and offer them tickets? It's a fundraiser for the GOP, so the campaigns donate to the party in the form of tent space and tickets.

...

Yes. That is how it is done.
Submitted by Crickett on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:06.
Yes. That is how it is done. They were charging a reduced rate for them for awhile, though.

...

AFAIK, yes,
Submitted by McClarinJ on Tue, 08/16/2011 - 12:04.
at least in part. They were paying $20 of the cost but may have upped that in the homestretch.

http://www.dailypaul.com/174619/did-rps-campaign-purchase-tickets-for-people-to-vote-for-him-like-bachmanns-did

suzzer99
08-17-2011, 07:44 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html?src=recg

...

Beginning in 2006 we interviewed a representative sample of 3,000 Americans as part of our continuing research into national political attitudes, and we returned to interview many of the same people again this summer. As a result, we can look at what people told us, long before there was a Tea Party, to predict who would become a Tea Party supporter five years later. We can also account for multiple influences simultaneously — isolating the impact of one factor while holding others constant.

Our analysis casts doubt on the Tea Party’s “origin story.” Early on, Tea Partiers were often described as nonpartisan political neophytes. Actually, the Tea Party’s supporters today were highly partisan Republicans long before the Tea Party was born, and were more likely than others to have contacted government officials. In fact, past Republican affiliation is the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support today.

What’s more, contrary to some accounts, the Tea Party is not a creature of the Great Recession. Many Americans have suffered in the last four years, but they are no more likely than anyone else to support the Tea Party. And while the public image of the Tea Party focuses on a desire to shrink government, concern over big government is hardly the only or even the most important predictor of Tea Party support among voters.

So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.

More important, they were disproportionately social conservatives in 2006 — opposing abortion, for example — and still are today. Next to being a Republican, the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates. The Tea Party’s generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government, but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God in government.

This inclination among the Tea Party faithful to mix religion and politics explains their support for Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas. Their appeal to Tea Partiers lies less in what they say about the budget or taxes, and more in their overt use of religious language and imagery, including Mrs. Bachmann’s lengthy prayers at campaign stops and Mr. Perry’s prayer rally in Houston.

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Dave Lane
08-17-2011, 07:46 AM
Extreme to Obots is anyone who can beat Obama?

None of these candidates are going to beat Obama.

ROYC75
08-17-2011, 10:45 AM
None of these candidates are going to beat Obama.

Probably right Dave, BTA, it depends how many times Obama can shoot himself in the foot between now and then.

Obama is already moving towards the middle, just as I thought he would. Will his left base leave him or understand he is just grandstanding to get votes?

|Zach|
08-17-2011, 12:49 PM
Probably right Dave, BTA, it depends how many times Obama can shoot himself in the foot between now and then.

Obama is already moving towards the middle, just as I thought he would. Will his left base leave him or understand he is just grandstanding to get votes?

What? You have been blowing hot air for years about how dangerously and radically fringe to the left Obama would be?

You don't get to just make stuff up.

ROYC75
08-17-2011, 12:55 PM
What? You have been blowing hot air for years about how dangerously and radically fringe to the left Obama would be?

You don't get to just make stuff up.

But you do, pay attention here kiddo, Obama wants re-elected. He's already shifting blame to Congress since the Bush theory has been milked. He will move to the middle to gain some votes expecting his Liberal Loons to continue following the Pied Piper.

|Zach|
08-17-2011, 12:57 PM
But you do, pay attention here kiddo, Obama wants re-elected. He's already shifting blame to Congress since the Bush theory has been milked. He will move to the middle to gain some votes expecting his Liberal Loons to continue following the Pied Piper.

He has been middle of the road for a long time now.

Aside from that you don't get to scream from the mountain tops selling fear of how left someone is...and then turn around and act like you are reading the political tea leaves and talk about how you knew they were going to move to the middle (with no evidence you did such a thing)

Well, you can do that. But you would be a liar.

ROYC75
08-17-2011, 01:19 PM
He has been middle of the road for a long time now.

Aside from that you don't get to scream from the mountain tops selling fear of how left someone is...and then turn around and act like you are reading the political tea leaves and talk about how you knew they were going to move to the middle (with no evidence you did such a thing)

Well, you can do that. But you would be a liar.


Middle ? Middle of which road ? Sorry dude, but the middle of Expressway Spending is not middle of American roads. He has to make more than a right turn to get middle of America again, he has to make a U-Turn.

You see Zach, he could have done this once elected, but instead of the U-Turn, he stepped on the gas to try and out run the deficit. He kicked it up into high gear, set the cruise and never looked back until he got to the desert and seen the fuel stops are far and few in between. Now he has to be more conservative to win back some support that he could be losing losing from the lunatic left.

I don't have to scream anything, Obama is doing a lot on his own to show the country what they need to know. The part that worries me is will the voters actually pay attention to it or keep sticking their heads in the sand?

|Zach|
08-17-2011, 01:21 PM
Middle ? Middle of which road ? Sorry dude, but the middle of Expressway Spending is not middle of American roads. He has to make more than a right turn to get middle of America again, he has to make a U-Turn.

You see Zach, he could have done this once elected, but instead of the U-Turn, he stepped on the gas to try and out run the deficit. He kicked it up into high gear, set the cruise and never looked back until he got to the desert and seen the fuel stops are far and few in between. Now he has to be more conservative to win back some support that he could be losing losing from the lunatic left.

I don't have to scream anything, Obama is doing a lot on his own to show the country what they need to know. The part that worries me is will the voters actually pay attention to it or keep sticking their heads in the sand?
And at nowhere in all those words did you address my main point.

Roy for years: HE IS A DANGEROUS FRINGE LEFT LIBERAL LOONEY!
Roy now: He is moving to the right just like I said he would.

me: lol wut?

JohnnyV13
08-17-2011, 01:28 PM
I think Michele Bachmann's biggest problem as a candidate is ensuring that her constituency gets transport from the mental health facility to the polls on election day.

I hear her campaign staff has prepared pamphlets instructing potential voters how to escape from a straight jacket.

ROYC75
08-17-2011, 01:45 PM
And at nowhere in all those words did you address my main point.

Roy for years: HE IS A DANGEROUS FRINGE LEFT LIBERAL LOONEY!
Roy now: He is moving to the right just like I said he would.

me: lol wut?

Seriously Zach, you are like the kid that sticks his fingers in his ears when people talk.

You said, he was already middle of the road for sometime. I questioned which road ? His spending habits suggest Socialist ways, this road ? His spending habits are vintage Democratic Tax and Spend! This middle of the road ?

Obama continued spending as Bush did the last 2 years of his administration. Is this the middle of the road you are talking about ? If so, it's nor none of the for mentioned middle of the roads is where America needs to go,today.

Can you be specific so that the rest of us might be able to play your shell game ?

Calcountry
08-17-2011, 04:43 PM
Karl Rove is now an Obot?Karl Rove is an establishment Republican who thinks he is the only one with a brain in the Republican party.

Calcountry
08-17-2011, 04:46 PM
I don't fear anybody. I thought since this was a political forum and all, people might be interested to hear one of the foremost Republican political strategists of the last decade thinks some of the field is too extreme.

And even though you had the time to pretend you didn't know what it was about for several posts, I guess you found it interesting too.Of course, he and Peggy Noonan were writing epithets on the Republican party just 2 years ago. Now they are busy trying to find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. All they have to do is sit back and continue to let Obama fug things up even farther beyond recognition.

It doesn't take a genious to do that.

BucEyedPea
08-17-2011, 05:16 PM
I think Michele Bachmann's biggest problem as a candidate is ensuring that her constituency gets transport from the mental health facility to the polls on election day.

I hear her campaign staff has prepared pamphlets instructing potential voters how to escape from a straight jacket.

Just like the Soviets, going after someone's mental health if they don't agree with their politics. Off to the Gulag!

Seriously, what is it with the left and playing the mental fitness card with woman politicians from the right with religious values. I don't agree with her on half her stands but I wouldn't say she's mentally ill. After the race card I guess it's the mental card.

|Zach|
08-18-2011, 12:08 AM
Seriously Zach, you are like the kid that sticks his fingers in his ears when people talk.

You said, he was already middle of the road for sometime. I questioned which road ? His spending habits suggest Socialist ways, this road ? His spending habits are vintage Democratic Tax and Spend! This middle of the road ?

Obama continued spending as Bush did the last 2 years of his administration. Is this the middle of the road you are talking about ? If so, it's nor none of the for mentioned middle of the roads is where America needs to go,today.

Can you be specific so that the rest of us might be able to play your shell game ?
You are trying to convince me he is ultra liberal while at the same time telling me he continued some GWB did it.

Well which is it?

JohnnyV13
08-18-2011, 01:24 AM
Just like the Soviets, going after someone's mental health if they don't agree with their politics. Off to the Gulag!

Seriously, what is it with the left and playing the mental fitness card with woman politicians from the right with religious values. I don't agree with her on half her stands but I wouldn't say she's mentally ill. After the race card I guess it's the mental card.

BEP, this woman claims that God told her to both collect taxes for the IRS AND become a Tea Party, small government leader. Hello, according to Bachmann, God, apparently, can't make up his mind.

SHe also said that God gave concurrent visions to 3 different people, when He led her to marry Marcus (her, marcus, and a friend). One might think they shared a collective acid trip, except they were all in different cities at the time.

Bachmann is also such a moron that she thought China wanting the world to move away from the dollar as a reserve currency, meant that they were pressuring the US to use some international currency in the US instead of the dollar. Either 1) Bachmann is a complete moron with respect to international monetary policy to the point that she is too stupid to research, or understand her staff's research, before making a public call to Geithner to guarentee he was not turning away from the dollor OR 2) she's such an abject liar she thinks its ok to smear the administration with a complete idiotic lie.

Just what we need to fix a fragile economy.

Her mentor in law school wrote journal articles contemplating making blasphemy a criminal offense.

Both Jesse Ventura and Rick Pawlenti thought she was a loon when they were Governor of Minnesota.

She also wants to teach intelligent design in in public schools. Now, I understand that not everyone will agree that's automatically loony; but, to me, that makes her a complete drooliing idiot that shouldn't wander the streets without supervision.

She considers the author of the "Left Behind" series one of her inspirations for getting into politics. I think she's confusing the the book series with her own personal level of academic achievement. I bet "left behind" was her knickname in school.

She worked for the Jimmy Carter campaign.

When running a charter school, she lied about upholding separation of church and state in order to get state money, then gradually introduced christian indoctrination. As a lawyer, she has no excuse that she did not understand the law (then again, she went to Regents Law School...the 136 ranked law school, so maybe she can't read a decision).

Claims the GOP state convention "spontaneously" nominated her to run for the state senate, just because she showed up in the crowd without any intent, prepartion or desire to run. NEver mind that she told her first political sponsor that she wanted to run for the State Senate, before he told her to try the school board first.

BEP, nice channeling of Glenn Beck. Next I'll be a fascist as well.

ROYC75
08-18-2011, 07:54 AM
You are trying to convince me he is ultra liberal while at the same time telling me he continued some GWB did it.

Well which is it?

Bush was a moderate for 6 years and a Liberal his last 2 under the Democratic controlled house & Senate.

So yes, Obama is a left driven Democrat that hugs the middle of the road on the Expressway of Spending.

So now the country is up in arms over debt and the spending and all Obama wants to do is pander to the people that it is all Congress's fault. He is trying to hug his way back to the middle to become more of a moderate to attract more voters. He can't run on his record, it's dismal, he has to blame somebody / something other than himself.

Your boy lied to get into office, lied while in office and continue to lie while trying to get re-elected. OK, he's a compulsive liar, kinda like crooks he hangs out with before and after his election.

With a record like this, How can you still defend him ?

BTA, All of Obotnation are programmed.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGCF0kDyNmWzlrIxDauvTohwgao0xhw-fkUVsn_Ezcu8ha4erw

patteeu
08-18-2011, 09:25 AM
BEP, this woman claims that God told her to both collect taxes for the IRS AND become a Tea Party, small government leader. Hello, according to Bachmann, God, apparently, can't make up his mind.

SHe also said that God gave concurrent visions to 3 different people, when He led her to marry Marcus (her, marcus, and a friend). One might think they shared a collective acid trip, except they were all in different cities at the time.

Bachmann is also such a moron that she thought China wanting the world to move away from the dollar as a reserve currency, meant that they were pressuring the US to use some international currency in the US instead of the dollar. Either 1) Bachmann is a complete moron with respect to international monetary policy to the point that she is too stupid to research, or understand her staff's research, before making a public call to Geithner to guarentee he was not turning away from the dollor OR 2) she's such an abject liar she thinks its ok to smear the administration with a complete idiotic lie.

Just what we need to fix a fragile economy.

Her mentor in law school wrote journal articles contemplating making blasphemy a criminal offense.

Both Jesse Ventura and Rick Pawlenti thought she was a loon when they were Governor of Minnesota.

She also wants to teach intelligent design in in public schools. Now, I understand that not everyone will agree that's automatically loony; but, to me, that makes her a complete drooliing idiot that shouldn't wander the streets without supervision.

She considers the author of the "Left Behind" series one of her inspirations for getting into politics. I think she's confusing the the book series with her own personal level of academic achievement. I bet "left behind" was her knickname in school.

She worked for the Jimmy Carter campaign.

When running a charter school, she lied about upholding separation of church and state in order to get state money, then gradually introduced christian indoctrination. As a lawyer, she has no excuse that she did not understand the law (then again, she went to Regents Law School...the 136 ranked law school, so maybe she can't read a decision).

Claims the GOP state convention "spontaneously" nominated her to run for the state senate, just because she showed up in the crowd without any intent, prepartion or desire to run. NEver mind that she told her first political sponsor that she wanted to run for the State Senate, before he told her to try the school board first.

BEP, nice channeling of Glenn Beck. Next I'll be a fascist as well.

Wow, she really IS crazy.

Seriously though, I don't think campaigning for Carter 30+ years ago (when she was in her 20s) tells us much about her other than the fact that she's been politically active for a long time.