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Jenson71
08-17-2011, 11:50 PM
We all remember Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the stir caused by seeing a fired-up black preacher speak emotionally about America's faults (along with some ludicrous claims thrown in that nearly matched some right-wing pastor's views of God punishing New Orleans with Katarina, gays with AIDS, etc.), when Obama was running.

Obama was politically break up with the church, condemn the teachings, and deny his knowledge of Wright's views.

Michelle Bachmann's longtime church was the Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minn (http://www.salemlutheran.org/home). The church belonged to a larger Lutheran church: the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) (http://www.wels.net/).

The WELS doctrine includes belief that follows a statement of Martin Luther's that the Papacy is the Antichrist. The church's position is that it is true that the Papacy is the Antichrist, that it is not a fundamental article of faith for a follower to hold, but that it is an important truth and God wants us to know about it (http://www.wels.net/about-wels/doctrinal-statements/antichrist?page=0,2#). The website also endorses an ignorance-laden text that has been widely discredited as unfairly anti-Catholic: http://online.nph.net/p-2327-catholicism-today.aspx

Will this be as controversial as Obama's church membership was? Why or why not?

Jenson71
08-17-2011, 11:58 PM
My initial opinion is that it will not be controversial. 1) Bachmann may not have legitimately known of the position. 2) Nobody really cares about one Lutheran sect's views about the Catholic Church. 3) Importantly, the reason why Obama's church was controversial is because it was so new and unique to many white Catholic and mainstream Protestant Americans.

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 12:08 AM
Does the pastor scream GD America from the pulpit?

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 12:19 AM
Does the pastor scream GD America from the pulpit?

Not to my knowledge.

JohnnyV13
08-18-2011, 12:31 AM
It won't matter because Bachmann won't be a serious contender in 3 months.

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 05:43 AM
Lutherans always face issues defending Hot Dish dinners and social hour after the Sunday service.

Dave Lane
08-18-2011, 06:29 AM
One she's not black, and two duh on the Antichrist bit. I mean if u are gonna believe superstitions why not believe other interesting magic claims. What's the difference?


We all remember Reverend Jeremiah Wright and the stir caused by seeing a fired-up black preacher speak emotionally about America's faults (along with some ludicrous claims thrown in that nearly matched some right-wing pastor's views of God punishing New Orleans with Katarina, gays with AIDS, etc.), when Obama was running.

Obama was politically break up with the church, condemn the teachings, and deny his knowledge of Wright's views.

Michelle Bachmann's longtime church was the Salem Evangelical Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minn (http://www.salemlutheran.org/home). The church belonged to a larger Lutheran church: the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) (http://www.wels.net/).

The WELS doctrine includes belief that follows a statement of Martin Luther's that the Papacy is the Antichrist. The church's position is that it is true that the Papacy is the Antichrist, that it is not a fundamental article of faith for a follower to hold, but that it is an important truth and God wants us to know about it (http://www.wels.net/about-wels/doctrinal-statements/antichrist?page=0,2#). The website also endorses an ignorance-laden text that has been widely discredited as unfairly anti-Catholic: http://online.nph.net/p-2327-catholicism-today.aspx

Will this be as controversial as Obama's church membership was? Why or why not?

ROYC75
08-18-2011, 06:40 AM
It won't matter because Bachmann won't be a serious contender in 3 months.

This x 2 = why even worry about it.

patteeu
08-18-2011, 06:46 AM
Was Obama's church really controversial? It seems like it should have been far more controversial than it was. He was a member for 20 years but got away with pretending that the guy he described as being as close as family was someone he didn't really know and then the issue disappeared.

patteeu
08-18-2011, 06:52 AM
I voted no because:

1) Bachmann will never be as likely to win the nomination as Obama was

2) Fewer Americans are defensive about the Pope than the US

But I don't think it will be much less controversial either, because:

1) Obama's church didn't end up being very controversial.

I suspect that she'll have to distance herself from some of her Church's teachings at some point. She won't be required to pretend that she didn't ever really know her preacher though. That would be moronic and only a dope would fall for it anyway.

blaise
08-18-2011, 06:57 AM
Maybe if she was trying to become the Pope it would be. People's problem with Obama's pastor were because he cracked the US, right? And Obama was trying to become President of the country his pastor was criticizing?

mlyonsd
08-18-2011, 07:03 AM
I think this question would be better asked of Perry.

I think Elvis already struck Michele down from his grave.

Earthling
08-18-2011, 07:38 AM
It won't matter because Bachmann won't be a serious contender in 3 months.

Pretty much this, but, if she is still in the running in the later stages I think it does become an issue.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-18-2011, 07:41 AM
Loaded Poll is Loaded.