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KILLER_CLOWN
08-18-2011, 10:01 AM
Violence flared last night as a demonstration against the Pope's arrival in Madrid turned ugly.

Anti-Pope protesters marched on the Spanish capital's central Sol plaza to voice their concerns about the 50 million euro price tag of the four-day trip.

But what was being billed as a peaceful protest changed when marchers began taunting the thousands of pilgrims who were congregating in the area.

Police, who forced the marchers from the square, arrested eight protesters. A total of 11 people were reportedly injured.

The marchers included the 15-M 'indignant' movement, which is against the government's austerity drive. Gay rights groups and others who oppose Catholic teaching were also in attendance.

15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027351/Popes-visit-Spain-Protests-violence-breaks-Madrids-streets.html#ixzz1VOQPJXZZ

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/scarypope.jpg
"Have you been a bad protester, little boy?"

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 10:05 AM
Maybe they're communists. Remember what the Spanish commies did to Catholics at one time?

KILLER_CLOWN
08-18-2011, 10:06 AM
Maybe they're communists. Remember what the Spanish commies did to Catholics at one time?

15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

That about sums it up.

MOhillbilly
08-18-2011, 10:09 AM
Maybe they're communists. Remember what the Spanish commies did to Catholics at one time?

remember what the catholics did to the spanish?

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 10:14 AM
remember what the catholics did to the spanish?
You mean the Spanish to the Spanish?

Or the Spanish to the Jews and Arabs?

Something about Spanish blood. Or rather that, they mix govt and religion as part of their system.

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 10:15 AM
15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

That about sums it up.

Isn't religion part of govt there?

KILLER_CLOWN
08-18-2011, 10:18 AM
Isn't religion part of govt there?

Isn't corruption part of our govt here?

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 10:38 AM
Isn't corruption part of our govt here?

Well, my point is you get this type of thing when religion is part of a govt—especially the funds part. This is one reason why the Spanish Inquisition was so bad. The Italian Inquisition was milder and it was the state that carried out the executions.

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 10:48 AM
It was at one time part of the state, as I mentioned, with little toleration allowed for others. It gradually changed through a few Constitutions.

The 1978 Constitution does grant the right to religious freedom for Spaniards and the process of disestablishing the Catholic Church began.

Article 16 disestablishes Roman Catholicism as the official religion and provides that religious liberty for non-Catholics is a state-protected legal right, thereby replacing the policy of limited toleration of non-Catholic religious practices.

The article further states, however, that "The public authorities shall take the religious beliefs of Spanish society into account and shall maintain the consequent relations of cooperation with the Catholic Church and the other confessions." In addition, Article 27 also aroused controversy by appearing to pledge continuing government subsidies for private, church-affiliated schools. These schools were sharply criticized by Spanish Socialists for having created and perpetuated a class-based, separate, and unequal school system. The Constitution, however, includes no affirmation that the majority of Spaniards are Catholics or that the state should take into account the teachings of Catholicism.

There's more in the link on how it still has some state connections to the Church particularly schools and how Catholics can designate a certain portion of their taxes to be diverted directly to the Church.

http://countrystudies.us/spain/44.htm

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 11:08 AM
Its the damn Lutherans!

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 11:09 AM
Its the damn Lutherans!

strawman

It went right over your head.

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 11:14 AM
Its a conspiracy!!!

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 11:23 AM
Its a conspiracy!!!

more strawmen

more cluelessness

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 11:26 AM
Masons

Hydrae
08-18-2011, 11:28 AM
15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

That about sums it up.

Coming to a street corner near you soon.

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 11:28 AM
Many strawmen you got there HCf as well as your anti-Catholic bias showing.

Logical fallacies abound.

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 11:35 AM
Anti-Caholic? You have to be kidding.


You dont even recognize when you are being mocked.


Sad.

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 11:48 AM
Summer Squash casserole

BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 11:52 AM
Anti-Caholic? You have to be kidding.
No Catholic. I don't know what a Caholic is. Apparently you don't know the history of the Masons regarding the Roman Catholic Church. That was the tip-off.


You don't even recognize when you are being mocked. Sad.
No I got it, I don't care...I was mocking you back. It does show you're not even vaguely familiar as to what that means during a discussion or debate.

Iowanian
08-18-2011, 11:55 AM
Sol Plaza is enjoyable but I find the quality street musicians to be in Plaza de Mayor.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 12:00 PM
15-M said in a statement: 'We are not angry about the Pope's visit, which some will agree with and others won't, but rather over the financing of it with public money, especially at a time when many services are being cut because it's necessary to curb government spending.'

That about sums it up.

Countries want to host World Youth Day in the same way that cities want the Olympics. It brings hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world, who spend money at shops, hotels, restaurants, and pilgrimage sites.

And the millions of Spanish citizens find it an inspiring honor.

Sponsors, young people covering all World Youth Day costs

Madrid, Spain, Aug 11, 2011 / 02:01 pm (CNA/Europa Press).- The young people attending World Youth Day in Madrid will pay 70 percent of the total costs of the event, financial director Fernando Gimenez Barriocanal said on Aug. 11.

The event's total budget is an estimated $71.3 million. Registration fees paid by young people so far total $44.5 million, Barriocanal said. Of the total budget, $17.6 million will be spent on the main events which include the welcoming ceremony, the Via Crucis and the vigil and final Mass.

Barriocanal said the rest of the expenses associated with World Youth Day are being covered by sponsors of the event and donors, who have contributed $23.3 million, and by the event's product sales, which total $3.3 million.

Of the total budget for the event, $10 million has gone to infrastructure, $7.7 million to hospitality. Nearly $6.6 million has been spent on the manufacturing of the World Youth Day backpack and its contents, $6 million on the program and pilgrim’s guide, $5.6 million on hospitality for volunteers, $3.6 million on marketing material, $3.2 million on media materials, $2.9 million on computer systems and $2.8 million on housing preparations and catechesis venues.

Organizers have spent $1.6 million on security and press credentials and $1 million on administrative expenses.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/sponsors-young-people-covering-all-world-youth-day-costs/

Saul Good
08-18-2011, 12:22 PM
So the city gets $10,000,000 on free infrastructure, tens or even hundreds of millions in tourism dollars, the city pays nothing, and these people violently protest for economic reasons? Just Euros being Euros.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 12:46 PM
So the city gets $10,000,000 on free infrastructure, tens or even hundreds of millions in tourism dollars, the city pays nothing, and these people violently protest for economic reasons? Just Euros being Euros.

Well, the city does have to pay for some cop work. You know, for the idiots that violently protest the phantom costs.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 01:07 PM
So the city gets $10,000,000 on free infrastructure, tens or even hundreds of millions in tourism dollars, the city pays nothing, and these people violently protest for economic reasons? Just Euros being Euros.

$215 million dollars is expected from tourism.

And, by the way, this was planned long before the economic crisis. It's not like they decided to do this a few months ago.

Spain does have to pay a lot, but corporate sponsors and pilgrims are paying a huge chunk of it.