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Bewbies
08-18-2011, 03:26 PM
Examined by this black guy.

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BucEyedPea
08-18-2011, 03:33 PM
Because their leaders have sold them out by selling them socialist-leaning or outright socialism in the modern era. Even Martin Luther King. That dude doesn't know all his stuff. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Barack Obama etc. Many bought into it.

orange
08-18-2011, 03:45 PM
... as exemplified by this white guy:

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"Kraft foods is going to launch a new Oreo ... It's a Triple Double Oreo. Do you like Oreos, is that? Well, it, what it's going to be here, it's actually a biracial cookie. You've got three of the chocolate wafers, and then you've got the white vanilla cream, the cream, and then there's a chocolate cream. So you've got, you've got three -- the stuff, the thing that says Oreo on it, the wafer. And then you've got the white cream, then you've got another chocolate wafer, then you've got the chocolate cream, and then you've got the bottom wafer. The Triple Double Oreo. You wait, it isn't going to be long before it's called the Or-Bam-eo, or something like this. Well, it's a biracial cookie, here ... In the midst of all this talk of obesity. And, I mean, every time Michelle Obama goes out there and talks about healthful eating, the food industry responds with, 'Oh, yeah? Take this.' And Kraft comes up with the Or-Bam-eo, the triple double-dipper."

BWillie
08-18-2011, 03:48 PM
Cuz they are poor or have family that are poor and don't like white people/end of thread

ChiTown
08-18-2011, 03:49 PM
... as exemplified by this white guy:

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"Kraft foods is going to launch a new Oreo ... It's a Triple Double Oreo. Do you like Oreos, is that? Well, it, what it's going to be here, it's actually a biracial cookie. You've got three of the chocolate wafers, and then you've got the white vanilla cream, the cream, and then there's a chocolate cream. So you've got, you've got three -- the stuff, the thing that says Oreo on it, the wafer. And then you've got the white cream, then you've got another chocolate wafer, then you've got the chocolate cream, and then you've got the bottom wafer. The Triple Double Oreo. You wait, it isn't going to be long before it's called the Or-Bam-eo, or something like this. Well, it's a biracial cookie, here ... In the midst of all this talk of obesity. And, I mean, every time Michelle Obama goes out there and talks about healthful eating, the food industry responds with, 'Oh, yeah? Take this.' And Kraft comes up with the Or-Bam-eo, the triple double-dipper."

ROFL

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 03:50 PM
... as exemplified by this white guy:

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"Kraft foods is going to launch a new Oreo ... It's a Triple Double Oreo. Do you like Oreos, is that? Well, it, what it's going to be here, it's actually a biracial cookie. You've got three of the chocolate wafers, and then you've got the white vanilla cream, the cream, and then there's a chocolate cream. So you've got, you've got three -- the stuff, the thing that says Oreo on it, the wafer. And then you've got the white cream, then you've got another chocolate wafer, then you've got the chocolate cream, and then you've got the bottom wafer. The Triple Double Oreo. You wait, it isn't going to be long before it's called the Or-Bam-eo, or something like this. Well, it's a biracial cookie, here ... In the midst of all this talk of obesity. And, I mean, every time Michelle Obama goes out there and talks about healthful eating, the food industry responds with, 'Oh, yeah? Take this.' And Kraft comes up with the Or-Bam-eo, the triple double-dipper."

You don't understand his humor, or where his jokes come from. He's rich, he's white, he's Republican, he's racist?

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 03:51 PM
Cuz they are poor or have family that are poor and don't like white people/end of thread

What do any of those things have to do with voting democrat? You vote D because you are poor? Because you hate white people?

Deberg_1990
08-18-2011, 03:56 PM
Its actually more class related. i know plenty of blacks who vote repub. Of course, they are successful and have good jobs.

orange
08-18-2011, 03:56 PM
You don't understand his humor, or where his jokes come from. He's rich, he's white, he's Republican, he's racist?

I never said the word "racist," but you knew it instantly when you saw that. Here's a scoop just for you - so do black people.

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 03:59 PM
I never said the word "racist," but you knew it instantly when you saw that. Here's a scoop just for you - so do black people.

Get the fuck out of here. You may not have said "racist" but you sure as hell implied it.

I never thought I'd see the day when a left wing loon calls Limbaugh racist. Never.

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 04:00 PM
Its actually more class related. i know plenty of blacks who vote repub. Of course, they are successful and have good jobs.

I don't buy this either.

If poor = vote democrat it would mean rich = republican, and we know which way the uber rich vote in this country.

ChiTown
08-18-2011, 04:01 PM
I never said the word "racist," but you knew it instantly when you saw that. Here's a scoop just for you - so do black people.

What a load.

orange
08-18-2011, 04:03 PM
Get the **** out of here. You may not have said "racist" but you sure as hell implied it.

I didn't have to imply anything. It's blatant. And you knew it.

I never thought I'd see the day when a left wing loon calls Limbaugh racist. Never.

I never thought I'd see the day when a right-wing web site would trot a black man out on stage to reel off a bunch of right-wing talking points and pretend that legitimizes them. "See, the black guy said it." Never.

Deberg_1990
08-18-2011, 04:08 PM
I don't buy this either.

If poor = vote democrat it would mean rich = republican, and we know which way the uber rich vote in this country.

Well yea....theres a whole lot of moderates that swing either way of course depending on the candidate. This is how elections are usually won, by swinging the moderates on your side.

ROYC75
08-18-2011, 04:10 PM
I don't buy this either.

If poor = vote democrat it would mean rich = republican, and we know which way the uber rich vote in this country.

Maybe we need to give the poor more free stuff, then they can hold onto it, become rich and increase the R's voting base?

RNR
08-18-2011, 04:17 PM
Who you going to believe??? Obama, Jackson and Sharpton, or this Oreo ass uncle Tom cracker lovin motherfucker~

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 04:18 PM
Who you going to believe??? Obama, Jackson and Sharpton, or this Oreo ass uncle Tom cracker lovin mother****er~

Spoken just like the democrats he mentioned in the video. LMAO

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 04:19 PM
I didn't have to imply anything. It's blatant. And you knew it.



I never thought I'd see the day when a right-wing web site would trot a black man out on stage to reel off a bunch of right-wing talking points and pretend that legitimizes them. "See, the black guy said it." Never.

You are full of shit.

vailpass
08-18-2011, 04:20 PM
I never said the word "racist," but you knew it instantly when you saw that. Here's a scoop just for you - so do black people.

You might be the biggest douche bag on the internet. Your self-loathing blather is pathetic and amusing all at the same time.

RNR
08-18-2011, 04:24 PM
Spoken just like the democrats he mentioned in the video. LMAO

He is a very interesting guy. I enjoyed the video and plan on looking up more about him~

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 04:29 PM
He is a very interesting guy. I enjoyed the video and plan on looking up more about him~

:thumb:

I don't know anything about him, I saw this video posted in an article referencing the gorgeous Janine Garafelo's comments about Herman Cain.

Nobody likes to discuss issues of race, but the whitewashing of history in this area absolutely fascinates me.

Mr. Flopnuts
08-18-2011, 04:31 PM
Ban hammer at the ready. Be careful, folks. Play nice.

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 04:35 PM
Ban hammer at the ready. Be careful, folks. Play nice.

LMAO

OH NOES!! A conservative black guy, we must ban this tripe!!

vailpass
08-18-2011, 04:35 PM
:thumb:

I don't know anything about him, I saw this video posted in an article referencing the gorgeous Janine Garafelo's comments about Herman Cain.

Nobody likes to discuss issues of race, but the whitewashing of history in this area absolutely fascinates me.

That's sarcasm, correct?

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 04:40 PM
That's sarcasm, correct?

Come on.

Funny story, I had a chick stalk me in college. She looked just like JG if you could beat JG with a frying pan in the face a few dozen times. That chick scared the shit out of me. LMAO

RNR
08-18-2011, 04:44 PM
Here is another one~


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vailpass
08-18-2011, 04:45 PM
Come on.

Funny story, I had a chick stalk me in college. She looked just like JG if you could beat JG with a frying pan in the face a few dozen times. That chick scared the shit out of me. LMAO

*shudder* I see absolutely nothing funny about your story. You have my sympathies.

RNR
08-18-2011, 04:46 PM
Ban hammer at the ready. Be careful, folks. Play nice.

What has been said in the thread that would warrant this warning?

Saul Good
08-18-2011, 04:52 PM
I didn't have to imply anything. It's blatant. And you knew it.



I never thought I'd see the day when a right-wing web site would trot a black man out on stage to reel off a bunch of right-wing talking points and pretend that legitimizes them. "See, the black guy said it." Never.

Blacks are property of the Democrats. They are incapable of thinking critically. If one strays off the plantation, its because white Republicans had to "trot him out on stage". \orange

Democrats are the biggest racists there are to say nothing of their homophobia. Just look at the treatment of Bachmann's husband.

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 04:57 PM
Blacks are property of the Democrats. They are incapable of thinking critically. If one strays off the plantation, its because white Republicans had to "trot him out on stage". \orange

Democrats are the biggest racists there are to say nothing of their homophobia. Just look at the treatment of Bachmann's husband.

It's breathtaking.

stevieray
08-18-2011, 05:06 PM
He speaks the truth. I've said some of the same things for quite awhile now.

Extra Point
08-18-2011, 05:10 PM
To Bewbies: POS rep, man. Comment left on your rep:

"Thanks for posting this! I've always been of the mind that "What was good enough for Abraham Lincoln, is good enough for me." Being the scourge of the family, I take pride in the GOP, in its originality. Can't thank you enough!"

(I spent from age 6 years to 23, living in Mizzoorah-- getting a few gulps of booze at the Democrat Holiday parties at the Knights of Columbus was fun, as a kid.)

My Mom passed in July, 76. After Reagan got elected in '80, My Dad told me that when he got married, he changed his politics and Mom changed her religion. He also informed me that voting for Ford would have really been the right thing to do. Reagan was the worst candidate to have ever come from the GOP-- look at the climb in the federal defecit during his presidency.

Gerald Ford was the long-suffering scapegoat, giving Chevy Chase 2-3 years of comic material.

Rush Limbaugh, I add, is an absolute dipshit-- I wonder if his great grandfather was a klansman.

orange
08-18-2011, 05:13 PM
Blacks are property of the Democrats. They are incapable of thinking critically. If one strays off the plantation, its because white Republicans had to "trot him out on stage". \orange

This video - and this thread - celebrates the critical thinking of the vast majority of blacks who vote Democratic, does it? :hmmm:

Mr. Flopnuts
08-18-2011, 05:14 PM
What has been said in the thread that would warrant this warning?

Absolutely nothing. The thread header got my attention. Honestly, that post wasn't necessary. My apologies. Don't get used to it. :D

RNR
08-18-2011, 05:21 PM
Absolutely nothing. The thread header got my attention. Honestly, that post wasn't necessary. My apologies. Don't get used to it. :D

:)

Mr. Flopnuts
08-18-2011, 05:23 PM
:)

Seriously, it was stupid. I shouldn't have posted it.

RNR
08-18-2011, 05:27 PM
Seriously, it was stupid. I shouldn't have posted it.

We are good flop, this place has loose moderation at best. You put in an effort to maintain some dignity in an often undignified place~

Baby Lee
08-18-2011, 05:28 PM
I don't know anything about him, I saw this video posted in an article referencing the gorgeous Janine Garafelo's comments about Herman Cain.

At this point, I don't think even Garofalo believes 1/2 of what she says. She just wants to be on TV and wants a segment of the population resentful, and if hyperbole and wild leaps of logic are the passport, so be it.

That, or there's a rape by the varsity QB in her past that she's imprinted on a vast portion of the populace.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 05:28 PM
He speaks the truth. I've said some of the same things for quite awhile now.

Does he also say that black people are easily duped?

Mr. Flopnuts
08-18-2011, 05:29 PM
We are good flop, this place has loose moderation at best. You put in an effort to maintain some dignity in an often undignified place~

I appreciate you understanding that was the only intent. Albeit, misguided in this scenario.

vailpass
08-18-2011, 05:31 PM
Does he also say that black people are easily duped?

Oh Lord, here comes the N word.

RNR
08-18-2011, 05:32 PM
Does he also say that black people are easily duped?

Somewhat, but then again so are white people. How else has our government become the cesspool of corruption it is today~

RNR
08-18-2011, 05:33 PM
I appreciate you understanding that was the only intent. Albeit, misguided in this scenario.

It is tough being sheriff in a rowdy town~

Extra Point
08-18-2011, 05:34 PM
Does he also say that black people are easily duped?

Keep voting democrat, little brother.

BillSelfsTrophycase
08-18-2011, 05:35 PM
http://www.pileofwit.com/forums/images/smilies/thats_racist.gif

NaptownChief
08-18-2011, 05:38 PM
That was a good view.

fan4ever
08-18-2011, 05:42 PM
I never said the word "racist," but you knew it instantly when you saw that. Here's a scoop just for you - so do black people.

No one brings up race, especially when it's non-applicable, more than liberals.

RNR
08-18-2011, 05:43 PM
No one brings up race, especially when it's non-applicable, more than liberals.

That is a fact~

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 05:44 PM
Somewhat, but then again so are white people. How else has our government become the cesspool of corruption it is today~

Um, it's not.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 05:46 PM
No one brings up race, especially when it's non-applicable, more than liberals.

A better stupid generalized comment: conservatives would just like to go on pretending that racism and racial problems don't exist, all the while perpetuating them.

RNR
08-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Um, it's not.

Are you saying our government is not corrupt?

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 05:47 PM
Are you saying our government is not corrupt?

Correct.

RNR
08-18-2011, 05:59 PM
Correct.

Go get a fancy cup of coffee and watch some interpretive poetry school boy, it will help you maintain self belief of your intellectual prowess. I don't have time to indulge your ego and naive silliness~

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:05 PM
Go get a fancy cup of coffee and watch some interpretive poetry school boy, it will help you maintain self belief of your intellectual prowess. I don't have time to indulge your ego and naive silliness~

You're talking out of your ass. You have no stats to back yourself up. The federal government is one of the least corrupt governments in the world. Where corruption is found, it is dealt with.

If you want to talk about corruption, Wall Street has their fair share. And feel free to talk about the delay in prosecuting such, but it's not because of government corruption.

Bewbies
08-18-2011, 06:07 PM
You're talking out of your ass. You have no stats to back yourself up. The federal government is one of the least corrupt governments in the world. Where corruption is found, it is dealt with.

If you want to talk about corruption, Wall Street has their fair share. And feel free to talk about the delay in prosecuting such, but it's not because of government corruption.

Go watch the freaking video. I heard he says something bad about the pope.

RNR
08-18-2011, 06:16 PM
You're talking out of your ass. You have no stats to back yourself up. The federal government is one of the least corrupt governments in the world. Where corruption is found, it is dealt with.

If you want to talk about corruption, Wall Street has their fair share. And feel free to talk about the delay in prosecuting such, but it's not because of government corruption.

Look scooter close the books, shut off the internet and get some life experience. Talking to a cutting edge liberal from Iowa can be amusing for awhile, but it quickly becomes irritating. I will bow out now and let you regurgitate the spoon fed bullshit your favorite professor programmed you with. Travel the world a bit boy and I will talk to you then~

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:23 PM
Ban hammer at the ready. Be careful, folks. Play nice.

:popcorn:

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:25 PM
Correct.

:eek:

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:28 PM
You're talking out of your ass. You have no stats to back yourself up. The federal government is one of the least corrupt governments in the world. Where corruption is found, it is dealt with.

If you want to talk about corruption, Wall Street has their fair share. And feel free to talk about the delay in prosecuting such, but it's not because of government corruption.

Do you seriously believe this or are you just trying to push buttons?? There are other types of corruption beyond financial.

BillSelfsTrophycase
08-18-2011, 06:32 PM
Same reason white people can't dance, and asian women can't drive


Just one of life's mysteries

Saul Good
08-18-2011, 06:32 PM
Fortunately, we have the most ethical Congress in history.

Hog Farmer
08-18-2011, 06:33 PM
Because their leaders have sold them out by selling them socialist-leaning or outright socialism in the modern era. Even Martin Luther King. That dude doesn't know all his stuff. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Barack Obama etc. Many bought into it.


THIS ! Thread over.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:34 PM
Look scooter close the books, shut off the internet and get some life experience. Talking to a cutting edge liberal from Iowa can be amusing for awhile, but it quickly becomes irritating. I will bow out now and let you regurgitate the spoon fed bullshit your favorite professor programmed you with. Travel the world a bit boy and I will talk to you then~

What life experiences do you have with American corruption? This is the kind of information where it helps to read books, newspapers, and magazines if you're not actively participating in government (and you're not).

Don't bow out now. Don't tell us that American government is corrupt, get pressed on it, and run away. You're not that kind of troll, are you?

I like how you turn stereotypes on their head, drive them in the ground, and pretend like it's some old wisdom. The "crazy liberal college student" would typically say something you are saying: "GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT! END THE FED! DOWN WITH AMERICA!"

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:36 PM
:eek:

Do you disagree that comparatively speaking, America is one of the least corrupt countries in the world?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:39 PM
Do you disagree that comparatively speaking, America is one of the least corrupt countries in the world?

Least corrupt is still corrupt. Are you for waterboarding? Because on par with other countries that is pretty mild.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:41 PM
Least corrupt is still corrupt. Are you for waterboarding? Because on par with other countries that is pretty mild.

What percentage of US congressman and bureaucrats do you think are corrupt?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:45 PM
What percentage of US congressman and bureaucrats do you think are corrupt?

Probably 90%. Morally corrupt. Ethically corrupt. Corruption goes beyond the movie based "cash in a briefcase" type corruption. JFK had Mafia connections. Ted Kennedy murdered a woman and never did any time. Patches Kennedy was pulled over for DUI and taken to his home, not jail. Several of the current Cabinet memebers and sitting Congress have committed tax evasion of some form or another. Selling out to Unions and Special Interest Groups....this list is long....and very few politicians at any level are innocent

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:47 PM
Probably 90%. Morally corrupt. Ethically corrupt. Corruption goes beyond the movie based "cash in a briefcase" type corruption. JFK had Mafia connections. Ted Kennedy murdered a woman and never did any time. Patches Kennedy was pulled over for DUI and taken to his home, not jail. Several of the current Cabinet memebers and sitting Congress have committed tax evasion of some form or another. Selling out to Unions and Special Interest Groups....this list is long....and very few politicians at any level are innocent

LMAO

Okay, pete.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:49 PM
What percentage of US congressman and bureaucrats do you think are corrupt?

Just a recent example, the bond holders of GM were told to fuck off by our President. Nevermind they were legally entitled to theirs. Instead they were bent over while the company was handed over to the Unions that had no legal entitlement whatsoever.

I mean let's look at the actual definition of "corrupt"...

cor∑rupt (k-rpt)
adj.
1. Marked by immorality and perversion; depraved.
2. Venal; dishonest: a corrupt mayor.
3. Containing errors or alterations, as a text: a corrupt translation.
4. Archaic Tainted; putrid.
v. cor∑rupt∑ed, cor∑rupt∑ing, cor∑rupts
v.tr.
1. To destroy or subvert the honesty or integrity of.
2. To ruin morally; pervert.
3. To taint; contaminate.
4. To cause to become rotten; spoil.
5. To change the original form of (a text, for example).
6. Computer Science To damage (data) in a file or on a disk.
v.intr.
To become corrupt.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:50 PM
LMAO

Okay, pete.

You'll learn.....you'll learn

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 06:52 PM
Does he also say that black people are easily duped?

No more easily duped than white folk.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:54 PM
You'll learn.....you'll learn

Iowa has five congressman and two senators:

Tom Harken, Chuck Grassley, Steve King, Bruce Braley, Tom Latham, Leonard Boswell, and Dave Loebsack.

Are any of these guys corrupt?

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 06:54 PM
A better stupid generalized comment: conservatives would just like to go on pretending that racism and racial problems don't exist, all the while perpetuating them.

That is stupid. Racism is not related to or restricted by party. Its safe to say that racism exits to varying degrees in people of all races, socio economic groups and has no boundary.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:55 PM
Probably 90%. Morally corrupt. Ethically corrupt. Corruption goes beyond the movie based "cash in a briefcase" type corruption. JFK had Mafia connections. Ted Kennedy murdered a woman and never did any time. Patches Kennedy was pulled over for DUI and taken to his home, not jail. Several of the current Cabinet memebers and sitting Congress have committed tax evasion of some form or another. Selling out to Unions and Special Interest Groups....this list is long....and very few politicians at any level are innocent

I have current day stats: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption_2010.svg

You have Kennedy family stories. I don't think you'll learn.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:57 PM
Iowa has five congressman and two senators:

Tom Harken, Chuck Grassley, Steve King, Bruce Braley, Tom Latham, Leonard Boswell, and Dave Loebsack.

Are any of these guys corrupt?

I'd say every one of them to some degree.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 06:58 PM
I'd say every one of them to some degree.

And why is that?

Chiefshrink
08-18-2011, 06:58 PM
Are you for waterboarding?

F'n ayyyyyyy:thumb:

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:59 PM
I have current day stats: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption_2010.svg

You have Kennedy family stories. I don't think you'll learn.

Pereption of corruption???? LMAO, are you fucking serious???

You're in for a rude awakening

petegz28
08-18-2011, 06:59 PM
And why is that?

Cause they are politicians?????

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:02 PM
We had the CIA running one of the biggest drug scams in Vietnam and now in Afghanistan but we aren't corrupt.

The entire "War on Drugs" is one of the biggest examples of corruption in our modern history.

But we aren't corrupt....

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:02 PM
Pereption of corruption???? LMAO, are you ****ing serious???

You're in for a rude awakening

The 2010 CPI draws on different assessments and business opinion surveys carried out by independent and reputable institutions. It captures information about the administrative and political aspects of corruption. Broadly speaking, the surveys and assessments used to compile the index include questions relating to bribery of public officials, kickbacks in public procurement, embezzlement of public funds, and questions that probe the strength and effectiveness of public sector anti-corruption efforts.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:05 PM
Cause they are politicians?????

Are you familiar with the phrase 'circular argument?'

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:06 PM
The 2010 CPI draws on different assessments and business opinion surveys carried out by independent and reputable institutions. It captures information about the administrative and political aspects of corruption. Broadly speaking, the surveys and assessments used to compile the index include questions relating to bribery of public officials, kickbacks in public procurement, embezzlement of public funds, and questions that probe the strength and effectiveness of public sector anti-corruption efforts.

Dude, public funds are embezzled every day by the Fed Gov. Why do you think SS is broke? Union kickbacks, Wall St. bailouts, SIG kickbacks....

come on, man...it's all right in front of your face!

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:06 PM
We had the CIA running one of the biggest drug scams in Vietnam and now in Afghanistan but we aren't corrupt.

The entire "War on Drugs" is one of the biggest examples of corruption in our modern history.

But we aren't corrupt....

Do you think the Transparency International is a better decider of corruption that you?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:07 PM
Are you familiar with the phrase 'circular argument?'

More than you seem to be with the concept of corruption

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:08 PM
Do you think the Transparency International is a better decider of corruption that you?

Is this a serious question???

No, I don't.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:09 PM
Dude, public funds are embezzled every day by the Fed Gov. Why do you think SS is broke? Union kickbacks, Wall St. bailouts, SIG kickbacks....

come on, man...it's all right in front of your face!

Do you have any evidence that public funds are embezzled every day by the federal government?

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:11 PM
More than you seem to be with the concept of corruption

You said most politicians are corrupt. I asked you to show why x, x, x politicians were corrupt. You said it was because they were politicians.

That's not an argument. That's just vomiting unproven statements.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:12 PM
Do you have any evidence that public funds are embezzled every day by the federal government?

I just gave it to you.

Let us look at the definition of embezzlement....shall we?


em∑bez∑zle (m-bzl)
tr.v. em∑bez∑zled, em∑bez∑zling, em∑bez∑zles
To take (money, for example) for one's own use in violation of a trust.


the misappropriation of funds that have been entrusted to one for care or management. Also called peculation. ó embezzler, n.
See also: Theft


Need we go on?

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:12 PM
Is this a serious question???

No, I don't.

Why are you a better analyst of corruption in American than a non-profit agency that specializes in studying it?

Chiefshrink
08-18-2011, 07:12 PM
For those interested it's called "learned helplessness".

The Marxist Dem party is absolutely dependent on this one facet that is essential in destroying or should I say "transforming" America. Making sure our society becomes more and more helpless and thus more and more dependent on govt. over time to the point now where we have over 40 mil on welfare and damn near 50% of the population who don't pay taxes.

The Marxist Dem party, breeding more and more "malcontents" everyday playing their class warfare card while at the same time showering them with more and more entitlements everyday that "STILL" are not enough for them.:rolleyes:

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:13 PM
You said most politicians are corrupt. I asked you to show why x, x, x politicians were corrupt. You said it was because they were politicians.

That's not an argument. That's just vomiting unproven statements.

I've given you example after example...I'm sorry they don't keep an official diary of their political corruption for public viewing.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:14 PM
I just gave it to you.

Let us look at the definition of embezzlement....shall we?


Need we go on?

I think we do need to go on. A definition and some programs is not a convincing argument that the federal government embezzles money every day.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:15 PM
I've given you example after example...I'm sorry they don't keep an official diary of their political corruption for public viewing.

Then how do you know?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:17 PM
Then how do you know?

Because I'm smart enough not to fall for the old trick of someone stealing from you right under your nose??? Knowing when someone is pissing on me while they claim it's raining???

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:17 PM
I think we do need to go on. A definition and some programs is not a convincing argument that the federal government embezzles money every day.

They constantly take our money for one thing and spend it on another. If they didn't the things they were supposedly taking the money for in the first place wouldn't be broke.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:19 PM
Because I'm smart enough not to fall for the old trick of someone stealing from you right under your nose??? Knowing when someone is pissing on me while they claim it's raining???

Who is stealing?

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:19 PM
They constantly take our money for one thing and spend it on another.

Do you have an example?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:19 PM
Who is stealing?

Oh, JFC! Are you just trying to be a smartass?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:20 PM
Do you have an example?

Ok, now you're just trying to be purposely obtuse.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:22 PM
Oh, JFC! Are you just trying to be a smartass?

No, seriously. Who is stealing? 90% of Congressmen are stealing from us?

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:22 PM
Ok, now you're just trying to be purposely obtuse.

You do know we operate on a budget, right? Everything's in the budget. How is that misleading?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:26 PM
You do know we operate on a budget, right? Everything's in the budget. How is that misleading?

What budget??? What fucking budget, Jenson? There hasn't been one passed in 2 years. And when there are budgest passed they are nothing more than numbers on paper, thus our deficit.

Putting numbers on paper and calling it a budget means dick if you don't live within it.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:26 PM
No, seriously. Who is stealing? 90% of Congressmen are stealing from us?

If not more...

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:33 PM
What budget??? What ****ing budget, Jenson? There hasn't been one passed in 2 years.

Yes there was.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:33 PM
If not more...

How?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:34 PM
How?

:facepalm:

I give....

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:36 PM
:facepalm:

I give....

Just give one good example of how Congressman regularly steal and embezzle money. And describe it.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:38 PM
Just give one good example of how Congressman regularly steal and embezzle money. And describe it.

I have. I am done now. You are free to believe what you wish, Jenson.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:40 PM
I have. I am done now. You are free to believe what you wish, Jenson.

You listed some government created programs, which congressman are actually entrusted to create.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:42 PM
You listed some government created programs, which congressman are actually entrusted to create.

Well, you're getting there....focus on that word "entrusted" for a while then go back and read the definition of embezzlement.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:45 PM
Well, you're getting there....focus on that word "entrusted" for a while then go back and read the definition of embezzlement.

What funds were criminally or ethically misappropriated?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:50 PM
What funds were criminally or ethically misappropriated?

Why Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deanzarras/2011/03/11/why-social-security-is-a-ponzi-scheme/

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 07:50 PM
My My My


Embezzlement=bad word

Waste...misappropriate=better

petegz28
08-18-2011, 07:53 PM
Hold on to your wallets. Just because a fraud is being perpetuated in full view doesn’t mean it’s not a fraud. It simply means people are either not paying attention, or don’t understand what they’re looking at.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deanzarras/2011/03/11/why-social-security-is-a-ponzi-scheme/3/

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:54 PM
Why Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme

http://www.forbes.com/sites/deanzarras/2011/03/11/why-social-security-is-a-ponzi-scheme/

Fine article. But did you read the entire thing? Here's part of the end:

"Like so many government programs, Social Security started off with great intentions, but morphed into something else. Some people refute the Ponzi scheme comparison largely on the grounds that unlike a traditional Ponzi scheme, Social Security is completely disclosed, was never sold to as a way to make anyone rich, and that it has good intentions rooted in compassion for the poor.

Hold on to your wallets. Just because a fraud is being perpetuated in full view doesnít mean itís not a fraud. It simply means people are either not paying attention, or donít understand what theyíre looking at. Regarding not trying to make anyone rich, thatís precisely correct, if only ironically."

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:55 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/deanzarras/2011/03/11/why-social-security-is-a-ponzi-scheme/3/

Hey, I guess you did. The article is saying that it's a fraud, but not that Congressman know its a fraud and are intentionally perpetuating it.

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 07:55 PM
My My My


Embezzlement=bad word

Waste...misappropriate=better

What are you talking about now?

petegz28
08-18-2011, 08:00 PM
Fine article. But did you read the entire thing? Here's part of the end:

"Like so many government programs, Social Security started off with great intentions, but morphed into something else. Some people refute the Ponzi scheme comparison largely on the grounds that unlike a traditional Ponzi scheme, Social Security is completely disclosed, was never sold to as a way to make anyone rich, and that it has good intentions rooted in compassion for the poor.

Hold on to your wallets. Just because a fraud is being perpetuated in full view doesnít mean itís not a fraud. It simply means people are either not paying attention, or donít understand what theyíre looking at. Regarding not trying to make anyone rich, thatís precisely correct, if only ironically."

Yes, I read the entire article. Everything the Fed Gov "starts" is always started with its roots based on good intentions. For whom though is not always clear. And then Congress, Democrats but party aside, decided to take the SS trust fund and place it into the General Fund. Thus your first act of embezzlement.

Hell is paved with good intentions.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 08:01 PM
Hey, I guess you did. The article is saying that it's a fraud, but not that Congressman know its a fraud and are intentionally perpetuating it.

They committed fraud the day they violated the trust of the people and placed SS funds into the General Account. The others have perpetuated that fraud by willfully doing nothing about it.

headsnap
08-18-2011, 08:05 PM
Masterful hijack Jenson! :thumb:

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 08:25 PM
What are you talking about now?
My bad. I assumed you know the difference between misappropriation and embezzlement. I forgot you just finished L1.

L2 is even harder I hear

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 08:52 PM
After seeing Rangle with Ingraham, the entire issue of "black" leaders is a wonderment.

petegz28
08-18-2011, 08:58 PM
My bad. I assumed you know the difference between misappropriation and embezzlement. I forgot you just finished L1.

L2 is even harder I hear

Meh, Jenson is very smart, I don't think he is any different than a lot of us were at his age when it comes to the views of the government, generally speaking. Everyone's opinion changes as they age and witness things through their own prism vs. what others tell them.

HonestChieffan
08-18-2011, 09:17 PM
Meh, Jenson is very smart, I don't think he is any different than a lot of us were at his age when it comes to the views of the government, generally speaking. Everyone's opinion changes as they age and witness things through their own prism vs. what others tell them.
I agree. But he will have ton learn the hard way.

go bowe
08-18-2011, 09:19 PM
Blacks are property of the Democrats. They are incapable of thinking critically. If one strays off the plantation, its because white Republicans had to "trot him out on stage". \orange

Democrats are the biggest racists there are to say nothing of their homophobia. Just look at the treatment of Bachmann's husband.

he's gay? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Jenson71
08-18-2011, 11:02 PM
My bad. I assumed you know the difference between misappropriation and embezzlement. I forgot you just finished L1.

L2 is even harder I hear

They don't teach you how to read people's minds from incomplete sentences and phrases like you gave.

HonestChieffan
08-19-2011, 06:06 AM
They don't teach you how to read people's minds from incomplete sentences and phrases like you gave.


They teach mind reading? Zounds!

Jaric
08-19-2011, 06:54 AM
They don't teach you how to read people's minds from incomplete sentences and phrases like you gave.

You must have been sick that day.

stevieray
08-19-2011, 07:41 AM
LOL

....telling noone will/can dispute the points made in the video.

FishingRod
08-19-2011, 07:45 AM
Why black people vote democrat

In my opinion, It is pretty simple. It takes something pretty dramatic to change most peopleís thinking from what they were taught by their parents. I would speculate that prior to the 1960ís the black people who were not prevented from voting more often supported the Republican party than the Democrats. Then the Civil rights movement was essentially a civil war in the Democratic party between the north and the Southern Democrats. The northern ideas eventually won out. The Republican leadership to a large extent stayed on the sideline for a variety of reasons including in some cases bigotry and a philosophical and constitutional belief in keeping the Federal Government out of the States business. The end result was that the Democratic party flip-flopped for the racist party to the one that had more interest in helping minorities. So once the Rednecks actually were prevented from keeping Blacks from voting the Democrats started off with a huge leg up in the perception as to who was on their side. Being for the most part from the lower rungs of the economic ladder the Democratic rhetoric of we are here to help you, provide for you and do things for you, plays a lot better than the Republican rhetoric of you have worked hard for what you have and if you donít have it work harder. Now the argument as to if this has been a leg up or has actually kept the Black community dependant is a different matter but, when one is poor and one party is pretending to be Robin hood it is not much of a mystery the Sherriff of Nottingham isnít going to win a popularity contest.

Chief Faithful
08-19-2011, 09:00 AM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=335265


"That African-Americans favor a powerful federal government is understandable. After all, it was the federal government that crushed the Confederacy, freed the slaves, sent troops to integrate the South, enacted the civil rights laws, imposed affirmative action on companies and colleges, and created the Great Society that provided trillions in wealth transfers and welfare benefits and employs a share of the black population that is nearly twice its representation in the labor force. "

"That African-Americans would see states' rights conservatives and small-government Republicans as hostile to the one powerful institution most friendly to them should come as a no surprise. " - Patrick Buchanan

Baby Lee
08-19-2011, 09:18 AM
Why black people vote democrat

In my opinion, It is pretty simple. It takes something pretty dramatic to change most people’s thinking from what they were taught by their parents. I would speculate that prior to the 1960’s the black people who were not prevented from voting more often supported the Republican party than the Democrats. Then the Civil rights movement was essentially a civil war in the Democratic party between the north and the Southern Democrats. The northern ideas eventually won out. The Republican leadership to a large extent stayed on the sideline for a variety of reasons including in some cases bigotry and a philosophical and constitutional belief in keeping the Federal Government out of the States business. The end result was that the Democratic party flip-flopped for the racist party to the one that had more interest in helping minorities. So once the Rednecks actually were prevented from keeping Blacks from voting the Democrats started off with a huge leg up in the perception as to who was on their side. Being for the most part from the lower rungs of the economic ladder the Democratic rhetoric of we are here to help you, provide for you and do things for you, plays a lot better than the Republican rhetoric of you have worked hard for what you have and if you don’t have it work harder. Now the argument as to if this has been a leg up or has actually kept the Black community dependant is a different matter but, when one is poor and one party is pretending to be Robin hood it is not much of a mystery the Sherriff of Nottingham isn’t going to win a popularity contest.

A fiction bourne of Kennedy's 'legacy'* and LBJ's bully pulpit.

Do some reading on the work done by Everitt Dirksen.

http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64_cloturespeech.htm

* - I use the quotes around legacy, not to denigrate it, but to emphasize how the 'do it for John' sentiment overran the nuts and bolts work that had to be done in the nation's sentiments.

orange
08-19-2011, 11:20 AM
A "fiction?" Barry Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 - reversing himself. Later that year, he won Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina - the only states he won other than his home state - and the first time a Republican won those states since the 1870s. Then you have Nixon and Reagan with their Southern strategies.

But it was "State Rights." Nothing against the blacks. Yep.

And you still have loudmouths polluting the airwaves even today. And Republican Senate candidates saying on national television that they would have voted against the Civil Rights Act and that businesses should be allowed to practice segregation.

But it's a "fiction" that the Republicans have traded blacks for bigots. Yep.

ChiefsCountry
08-19-2011, 11:24 AM
But it's a "fiction" that the Republicans have traded blacks for bigots.

God bless dumb fucking ass liberals.

blaise
08-19-2011, 11:27 AM
orange is a lock step liberal. Just spouting the party position on all fronts.

orange
08-19-2011, 11:32 AM
LOL

....telling noone will/can dispute the points made in the video.

Why don't you summarize them? Then I'll dispute them.

By the way - is this spokesperson for the black race flavor Mr. Thisblackguy, or Dr. Thisblackguy? Maybe Rev. Thisblackguy? Thisblackguy, Esq., perhaps?

By the way, I bet they've already been disputed - from a very unlikely source.

Stand by...

Here we go:

Does he also say that black people are easily duped?No more easily duped than white folk.


And by the way ...

No one brings up race, especially when it's non-applicable, more than liberals.

My bad. I thought this thread was about "blacks" as in the race. I didn't realize it was about black the flavor.

FishingRod
08-19-2011, 02:20 PM
A fiction bourne of Kennedy's 'legacy'* and LBJ's bully pulpit.

Do some reading on the work done by Everitt Dirksen.

http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64_cloturespeech.htm

* - I use the quotes around legacy, not to denigrate it, but to emphasize how the 'do it for John' sentiment overran the nuts and bolts work that had to be done in the nation's sentiments.

We can argue facts but they don't matter much. Politics are all about perception.

Baby Lee
08-19-2011, 02:41 PM
We can argue facts but they don't matter much. Politics are all about perception.

OMFG

You do realize that The Colbert Report is satire, right?

"I don't think with my brain, I feel with my gut," is a CRITIQUE of the electorate, not a celebration.

Fact are imperative to a proper perception. Perceptions built on fairy tales or wish fulfullment are opiates.

Again, OMFG.

Donger
08-19-2011, 02:52 PM
This has been said already, but obviously because the ones who vote Democrat are stupid and like hand-outs. Or, have a vested interest in keeping those enablers in power.

The ones who vote Republican are more likely to be successful and oppose hand-outs.

This is applicable to every race, of course.

Direckshun
08-19-2011, 02:52 PM
Occam's Razor.

Black people vote democrat because the charge to earn civil rights protection was driven primarily by Democrats and people sympathetic to the DNP, and that the Republican Party still represents to this day roughly the same geographic portion of the country that was resistant to the CRA in 67.

This wasn't ancient history. Our parents remember this battle. The same's probably true for black people.

At least this is the explanation I get with the black people I've spoken with about the subject.

Bewbies
08-19-2011, 03:37 PM
Occam's Razor.

Black people vote democrat because the charge to earn civil rights protection was driven primarily by Democrats and people sympathetic to the DNP, and that the Republican Party still represents to this day roughly the same geographic portion of the country that was resistant to the CRA in 67.

This wasn't ancient history. Our parents remember this battle. The same's probably true for black people.

At least this is the explanation I get with the black people I've spoken with about the subject.

Watch the video. LMAO

Bewbies
08-19-2011, 03:50 PM
and that the Republican Party still represents to this day roughly the same geographic portion of the country that was resistant to the CRA in 67.



Have you seen election maps? Do you really think R's only come from the deep South?

Was Nebraska a slave state? What about Montana? LMAO

RNR
08-20-2011, 04:47 AM
We can argue facts but they don't matter much. Politics are all about perception.

Harry Reid, the Democrat Senate Majority Leader and the national government's highest-ranking Mormon, has admitted now remarking apparently with some amazement on the nation's highest-ranking black Democrat as being notably "light-skinned" and having "no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one."

patteeu
08-20-2011, 11:52 AM
Why does the battered wife keep going back to her abusive husband?

Why does the guy with low self esteem keep going back to his cheating girlfriend?

Why does the obese, diabetic person who just got out of the hospital after suffering a stroke buy a box of twinkies and a two liter of Mountain Dew to inhale on the car ride home?

I don't know the answer to any of these questions, but I think they should all stop doing it.

stevieray
08-20-2011, 02:07 PM
Why don't you summarize them? Then I'll dispute them.

By the way - is this spokesperson for the black race flavor Mr. Thisblackguy, or Dr. Thisblackguy? Maybe Rev. Thisblackguy? Thisblackguy, Esq., perhaps?

By the way, I bet they've already been disputed - from a very unlikely source.

Stand by...

Here we go:




And by the way ...



My bad. I thought this thread was about "blacks" as in the race. I didn't realize it was about black the flavor.

you're a big boy...you can summarize them yourself, you don't need what I think to have a stance...oooh wait you do....ROFL

mocking the messenger through race doesn't dispute, nor refute his points. don't be racist orange...it's ugly and unbecoming.

jensons reply? lol...that's him echoing his response to me from a previous thread...either one of you can pull up the post if it will make you feel better.

FishingRod
08-22-2011, 07:57 AM
OMFG

You do realize that The Colbert Report is satire, right?

"I don't think with my brain, I feel with my gut," is a CRITIQUE of the electorate, not a celebration.

Fact are imperative to a proper perception. Perceptions built on fairy tales or wish fulfullment are opiates.

Again, OMFG.

Walk down the street and ask 100 white Conservatives if they have ever heard of Dirksen then ask 100 black liberals the same question. If you add the two together and get more than 10-15 I would be shocked. The fact is, most of the faces of the civil rights movement were not Republican. You have JFK then Johnson on one side Then Goldwater on the other saying it is a states rights issue. While there were certainly conservatives supportive of civil rights they as a party were not perceived as friendly to the cause as was the Federal Government that was controlled at the time by the Democrats. I believe this was a pivotal time and issue with the black community that pushed the vast majority of that group to support the Democratic party. You obviously ďfeelĒ the wrong conclusions were drawn but, if you would like to put forth a different idea as to why the black community supports the Democratic party far more than the Republicans Iím all ears.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-22-2011, 12:01 PM
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LiveSteam
08-22-2011, 12:28 PM
This represents better

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orange
08-22-2011, 03:14 PM
The fact is, most of the faces of the civil rights movement were not Republican. You have JFK then Johnson on one side Then Goldwater on the other saying it is a states rights issue.

Actually, well before that (15 years or so) you had Truman integrating the military, and Hubert Humphrey getting a civil rights plank added to the Democratic platform - forever - and the Dixiecrats walking out. So yes, the civil rights movement was strongly associatied with the Dems already going into the '60s.

Direckshun
08-22-2011, 03:37 PM
Watch the video. LMAO

I've seen the video.

It's been posted before.

Direckshun
08-22-2011, 03:37 PM
Have you seen election maps? Do you really think R's only come from the deep South?

Nope, but that doesn't change the fact that the deep South is reliably Republican.