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Msmith
08-25-2011, 02:01 PM
Where are his female bodyguards (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/110314/libya-gaddafi-female-bodyguards)?

Dave Lane
08-25-2011, 02:13 PM
Where are his female bodyguards (http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/110314/libya-gaddafi-female-bodyguards)?

FInd them you find Gadoofy

evenfall
08-25-2011, 02:31 PM
obama could turn into tinker bell, and he'd still be despised by the right...

These kids of arguments fail when he hasn't done anything right yet, to make this judgement.

Donger
09-02-2011, 12:39 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/02/west-warns-smugglers-looting-libya-arms

Libya must urgently secure weapons hoarded by the Gaddafi regime amid growing fears that smugglers are exploiting the chaos there to loot hundreds of portable missiles and other small arms, western officials have warned.

The US and Nato are pressing the National Transitional Council to make the issue a priority because of concerns that the trade has already begun, with reports that some African mercenaries who fought for Colonel Muammar Gaddafi are returning home laden with weapons.

One anxiety is that Gaddafi's remaining stockpile of shoulder-launched missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists.

The UK's National Security Council raised the issue with Libyan rebels in March and the Guardian understands that US officials based in Benghazi are now taking a lead in helping to identify where the caches may be, and how best to protect them. The UK and France have special forces in Libya, but officials would not be drawn on whether the soldiers are now involved in anti-smuggling operations.

In a private meeting with NTC leaders at the Friends of Libya summit in Paris, the US secretary of state Hillary Clinton said the safety of the Gaddafi's weapons was "an urgent security priority facing Libya and the broader region".

A Nato official added: "The risk of seeing weapons reaching members of terrorist organisations is always a concern. We know from experience that extremists and terrorists can take advantage of instability and lawlessness. We should do our utmost to avoid that situation. We expect all sides to maintain accountability of weapons."

A British spokesman said: "The issue of proliferation in Libya has been a priority for the National Security Council since this crisis began."We have raised it with the NTC at regular intervals to ensure that weapons are secured and monitored the situation closely."

The Guardian has spoken to a number of NGOs and independent observers who believe that scores of weapons from the Gaddafi arsenal have already disappeared and that the trade presents a potential threat to the region.

Fred Abrahams of Human Rights Watch, who is in Tripoli, said anti-tank missiles were among weapons looted by Libyans before anti-Gaddafi militias overran western towns. "There are reports of Libyans picking up anti-tank missiles like ants. Every second Libyan has arms. The UN should be thinking of a decommissioning programme, a buy-back programme."

Abrahams said concern was not only about the number of missiles, including Grad truck-mounted rockets, but what he called "standard bullets and bombs" – equipment that could be used to make improvised explosive devices, widely deployed by insurgents in Afghanistan.

Early in the six-month conflict, thousands of 122mm Grad rockets were reportedly found in abandoned bunkers in eastern Libya.

British officials say they are concerned in particular about heatseeking man-portable air defence systems (Manpads), such as SA7 shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, getting into the wrong hands. Though most military aircraft are now equipped with countermeasures, civilian planes are not. Helicopters remain vulnerable to rocket-propelled grenades, officials said.

Referring to reports that anti-Gaddafi rebels have been selling arms, Matt Schroeder, director of the arms sales monitoring group at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington, said this was "feasible and plausible … weapons may have been trafficked".

The US has promised $4.5m (£2.8m) to collect and destroy Libya's missiles and other light weapons, according to the congressional research service and state department.

Officials in Mali confirmed last week that a leader of the country's last Tuareg rebellion had been killed on his way back from fighting for Gaddafi. Though the circumstances were confused, Reuters quoted a military official in Mali saying that Ibrahim Ag Bahanga was killed as he smuggled weapons across the border from Libya. "He had got his hands on lots of weapons in Libya … and he hid them on the border with Algeria and Niger," the official said.

US officials were reported as saying that a small number of Soviet-made SA7 missiles from Libya had reached the black market in Mali, where al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb has been active. Other regional governments fear that the region could become even more lawless due to an influx of weapons and fighters from Libya's conflict.

Earlier this week, Algeria's foreign minister said his government was certain that al-Qaida's north African affiliate had obtained weapons on the black market that flourished during the Libyan civil war.

Mourad Medelci said countries across North Africa had seen proof "on the ground" that al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb had taken advantage of instability in Libya to procure weapons with which to expand its campaign of terrorism.

"It's not just a worry or a feeling, it's a certainty," Medelci told French radio.

He said that Libya was vulnerable to terrorists taking refuge within its borders and using the country as a springboard for terrorism throughout the region, AFP, the French news agency, reported.

Pieter Wezeman of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Sipri, which monitors the arms trade, said Gaddafi imported hundreds of French-made Milan guided missiles and Russian SA 24 missile launchers adding to an arsenal which included some 20,000 older short-range surface-to-air missiles.

"Many of those, we know, are now not accounted for, and that's going to be a concern for some period of time," General Carter Ham, head of the US military's Africa Command, told the Senate armed services committee in April.

The British government approved the sale to Libya of equipment including guns and small-arms ammunition valued at more than £200m over the first nine months of last year, according to the latest figures compiled for the Foreign Office. In 2007–2008 Ukraine supplied more than 100,000 rifles to Libya.

go bowe
09-02-2011, 06:55 PM
they're having a huge rally in martyrs' square that's mostly women...

they're celebrating freedom...

imagine, women dancing in the streets celebrating in a muslim country, pretty amazing stuff...

i think libya will end up being a democratic secular state after all is said and done...

PornChief
09-04-2011, 03:26 AM
http://i.imgur.com/yJIQ0l.jpg

Frankie
09-04-2011, 10:54 AM
Unless I missed it, no one has posted this yet. So FYI:

Libyan intelligence documents show ties to CIA

By BEN HUBBARD - Associated Press

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — The CIA worked closely with Moammar Gadhafi's intelligence services in the rendition of terror suspects to Libya for interrogation, according to documents seen Saturday by the AP, cooperation that could spark tensions between Washington and Libya's new rulers.

The CIA was among a number of foreign intelligence services that worked with Libya's agencies, according to documents found at a Libyan security agency building in Tripoli.

The discovery came as the Libyan rebels said they would surround pro-Gadhafi cities until the Sept. 10 deadline for their surrender.

Trying to "to avoid bloodshed and to avoid more destruction to public properties and national institutions, we have given an ultimatum of one week to the areas of Sirte, Bani Walid, Jufra and Sabha," the head of the rebels' National Transitional Council, Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, told reporters in Benghazi.

"It is an opportunity for these cities to peacefully join the revolution," he said, adding the rebels were providing humanitarian aid to the besieged areas along with water and electricity services.

The intelligence documents found in Tripoli, meanwhile, provided new details on the ties between Western countries and Gadhafi's regime. Many of those same countries backed the NATO attacks that helped Libya's rebels force Gadhafi from power.

One notable case is that of Abdel-Hakim Belhaj, commander of the anti-Gadhafi rebel force that now controls Tripoli. Belhaj is the former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a now-dissolved militant group with links to al-Qaida. Belhaj says he was tortured by CIA agents at a secret prison, then returned to Libya.

Two documents from March 2004 appear to be American correspondence to Libyan officials to arrange Belhaj's rendition.

Referring to him by his nom de guerre, Abdullah al-Sadiq, the documents say he will be flown from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Libya and asks for Libyan government agents to accompany him.

It also requests American "access to al-Sadiq for debriefing purposes once he is in your custody."

"Please be advised that we must be assured that al-Sadiq will be treated humanely and that his human rights will be respected," the document says.

Peter Bouckaert of Human Rights Watch, which found the documents, called the ties between Washington and Gadhafi's regime "a very dark chapter in American intelligence history, and it remains a stain on the record of the American intelligence services that they cooperated with these very abusive intelligence services."

In Washington, CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood declined to comment Saturday on any specific allegation related to the documents.

"It can't come as a surprise that the Central Intelligence Agency works with foreign governments to help protect our country from terrorism and other deadly threats," Youngblood said. "That is exactly what we are expected to do."

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-intelligence-documents-show-ties-cia-102850383.html

orange
09-04-2011, 11:06 AM
They also found documents that showed that Libya threatened the UK with repercussions if the Lockerbie bomber died in prison.

Gaddafi wants to get him back at all costs: Embassy documents revealed tyrant vowed 'holy war' if mass killer died in Scottish prison
By Ian Birrell

Last updated at 1:10 AM on 4th September 2011

Britain paved the way for the release of Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Al Megrahi after receiving repeated threats of 'dire consequences' from Colonel Gaddafi if he died in his Scottish prison cell.

Officials were warned the Libyan dictator would view this as 'a death sentence' and unleash a series of reprisals similar to the 'holy war' he launched against the Swiss after they arrested one of his sons.

A series of documents marked 'confidential' and 'restricted' reveal that British diplomats feared these would include harassment - 'or worse' - of British nationals; the cancellation of lucrative contracts with firms such as BP, Shell and BG (formerly British Gas); and the end of defence deals and counter-terrorism co-operations.

As a result, the British Government ignored the anger of both America and the families of Lockerbie victims to push for the fastest possible release, by signing a Prisoner Transfer Agreement with Libya.

Two years ago, Megrahi was released on compassionate grounds and returned to Tripoli, where he received a hero’s welcome from Gaddafi. He was suffering terminal prostate cancer and was said to have less than three months to live. Last week he was tracked down to his Tripoli home and it emerged he is still alive, although very ill.

The cache of uncensored documents discovered in the Libyan capital makes it clear the last Government worked frantically behind the scenes to appease Gaddafi’s ‘unpredictable nature’ – even suggesting Prince Andrew be used as a go-between.

read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033493/Gaddafi-wants-costs-Embassy-documents-revealed-tyrant-vowed-holy-war-mass-killer-died-Scottish-prison.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

patteeu
09-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Unless I missed it, no one has posted this yet. So FYI:

It should have been pretty obvious. Obama attacked his country. That was a big tell and we should have all known at that moment that he was cooperative at worst and an ally at best. If he was an enemy of the US, Obama would have put him on the WH christmas card list.

Donger
09-04-2011, 12:06 PM
CIA engaging with a intelligence service of a foreign country? No way!

LMAO

evenfall
09-04-2011, 12:30 PM
It should have been pretty obvious. Obama attacked his country. That was a big tell and we should have all known at that moment that he was cooperative at worst and an ally at best. If he was an enemy of the US, Obama would have put him on the WH christmas card list.

I'm very confused. Libya was some kind of a creeping terror that required starting a war, but Iran is a tiny country that doesn't pose a serious threat?

BucEyedPea
09-04-2011, 02:57 PM
I'm very confused. Libya was some kind of a creeping terror that required starting a war, but Iran is a tiny country that doesn't pose a serious threat?

Iran is not a serious threat.

Frankie
09-04-2011, 04:41 PM
Iran is not a serious threat.

This.

Bowser
09-04-2011, 05:37 PM
Iran is not a serious threat.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/markomalley/smartaleck/comical_ali.jpg

chris
09-04-2011, 06:13 PM
Iran is not a serious threat.

A very naive comment.

alnorth
09-04-2011, 06:33 PM
A very naive comment.

spoken like a warmonger.

patteeu
09-04-2011, 06:36 PM
spoken like a warmonger.

If by "warmonger" you mean someone who didn't just fall off the turnip truck, yeah.

chris
09-04-2011, 06:40 PM
spoken like a warmonger.

You really think I care about your opinion of what you think I know about Iran?

Frankie
09-04-2011, 06:43 PM
You really think I care about your opinion of what you think I know about Iran?

So what is it you know about Iran?

go bowe
09-04-2011, 06:45 PM
So what is it you know about Iran?

they make pretty rugs...

Frankie
09-04-2011, 06:53 PM
they make pretty rugs...

And cool handsome dudes.

stevieray
09-04-2011, 07:07 PM
Iran is not a serious threat.

...when you hang people in the streets for their religious beliefs, doesn't make you a little pony.

Frankie
09-04-2011, 07:16 PM
...when you hang people in the streets for their religious beliefs, doesn't make you a little pony.

So if a regime is a serious threat to it's own citizens, it's a real threat to the US. Got you!

mlyonsd
09-04-2011, 07:38 PM
And cool handsome dudes.After seeing that picture of you and your cat I was starting to wonder. Thanks for clearing it up. :p

Frankie
09-04-2011, 07:43 PM
After seeing that picture of you and your cat I was starting to wonder. Thanks for clearing it up. :p

LMAO

mlyonsd
09-04-2011, 07:54 PM
LMAOYeah you set that one so high up on the tee someone had to hit it. j/k of course.

We know how Iranians feel about gay people. :eek:

Ok, ok, I take that one back too.

Frankie
09-04-2011, 08:00 PM
Yeah you set that one so high up on the tee someone had to hit it. j/k of course.

We know how Iranians feel about gay people. :eek:

Ok, ok, I take that one back too.

We just don't agree on politics, but I know you love me and think I'm handsome.

;)

Donger
09-04-2011, 08:06 PM
I would agree that Iran is not yet a serious threat. If they develop nuclear weaponry, that obviously changes.

Saul Good
09-04-2011, 08:44 PM
Is it Bush's fault that Libyan rebels are now rounding up all the blacks and accusing them of fighting for Ghaddafi?

mlyonsd
09-04-2011, 09:04 PM
We just don't agree on politics, but I know you love me and think I'm handsome.

;)Knock that chit off, you're going to give me a reputation. I just wish I could talk some sense into you.

go bowe
09-04-2011, 10:08 PM
Knock that chit off, you're going to give me a reputation. I just wish I could talk some sense into you.

too late for that...

BucEyedPea
09-05-2011, 05:51 AM
...when you hang people in the streets for their religious beliefs, doesn't make you a little pony.

I mean to us. That stuff is an internal problem. Even we helped them torture those opposed to the Shah at one time.

BucEyedPea
09-05-2011, 05:54 AM
A very naive comment.

No, you're naive for believing the same people who told us Iran was a threat due to it's WMD and who planned before 9/11 to take down 7 countries in the ME.

BucEyedPea
09-05-2011, 05:55 AM
I'm very confused. Libya was some kind of a creeping terror that required starting a war, but Iran is a tiny country that doesn't pose a serious threat?

It's not the size it's how you use it. ;)

Dave Lane
09-05-2011, 06:32 AM
...when you hang people in the streets for their religious beliefs, doesn't make you a little pony.

So 150 years ago the US wasn't a little pony. How sad.

Dave Lane
09-05-2011, 06:33 AM
I would agree that Iran is not yet a serious threat. If they develop nuclear weaponry, that obviously changes.

Then why are you concerned about Iran and not North Korea that does have the bomb?

patteeu
09-05-2011, 07:31 AM
Then why are you concerned about Iran and not North Korea that does have the bomb?

I can't answer for Donger, but one big difference between Iran and North Korea is that Iran is far more actively involved in islamist terrorism and ongoing conflict. North Korea is more of a proliferation threat than a threat to export violence, which is also serious but serious in a different way.

Another big difference between the two, when it comes to our current posture, is that it's already too late to do anything about North Korea before it acquires a nuclear shield, but it's not too late to do something about Iran.

Donger
09-05-2011, 07:55 AM
Then why are you concerned about Iran and not North Korea that does have the bomb?

I'm concerned about NK, too.

BucEyedPea
09-05-2011, 08:07 AM
If Iran is involved in terrorism, the kind that is not part of our fight, then why fear them with a bomb which is conventional warfare which if used would wind up annihilating them whereas this is not as true with covert terrorism?

Totally illogical to think they'd use a nuke.

stevieray
09-05-2011, 08:09 AM
So 150 years ago the US wasn't a little pony. How sad.

..living in the past keeps you from moving forward....we'll be waiting here for you with finger food.


...but hey deflecting to over a century ago really validates it today.

...maybe you should let al post for you next time.

stevieray
09-05-2011, 08:11 AM
So if a regime is a serious threat to it's own citizens, it's a real threat to the US. Got you!


...if I'm a threat to my family, pretty safe to say I pose a threat to others also.

shocked that you would marginialize the behavior...

but then again, you've been gone for forty years.

patteeu
09-05-2011, 08:28 AM
If Iran is involved in terrorism, the kind that is not part of our fight, then why fear them with a bomb which is conventional warfare which if used would wind up annihilating them whereas this is not as true with covert terrorism?

Totally illogical to think they'd use a nuke.

There's a chance they'd use a nuke, but my concern isn't based on them using one. It's based on the near certainty that they'd be even more bold with their use of conventional forces (including terrorists and their proxy guerrilla armies) if they had a nuclear shield to hide behind.

Frankie
09-05-2011, 10:28 AM
Knock that chit off, you're going to give me a reputation. I just wish I could talk some sense into you.:D

I do my talking with my fists you know. And with my awesome flying drop kick.

Frankie
09-05-2011, 10:35 AM
...if I'm a threat to my family, pretty safe to say I pose a threat to others also.

shocked that you would marginialize the behavior...

but then again, you've been gone for forty years.
By no means do I minimize the behavior. In fact I safely say I am by far the most concerned among all posters here about that behavior.

With that out of the way, I have a neighbor who screams loud violent sounding curses at his 5 daughters and his wife every once in a while. Maybe I should break down their door and shoot him, you think?

go bowe
09-05-2011, 12:03 PM
By no means do I minimize the behavior. In fact I safely say I am by far the most concerned among all posters here about that behavior.

With that out of the way, I have a neighbor who screams loud violent sounding curses at his 5 daughters and his wife every once in a while. Maybe I should break down their door and shoot him, you think?

nah, wait til he comes outside, then shoot him...

KILLER_CLOWN
09-05-2011, 12:07 PM
nah, wait til he comes outside, then shoot him...

Put one of those neighborhood watch area signs in his front lawn facing his front door.

stevieray
09-06-2011, 08:17 AM
With that out of the way, I have a neighbor who screams loud violent sounding curses at his 5 daughters and his wife every once in a while. Maybe I should break down their door and shoot him, you think?


... go down and confront him and see what happens. I'm sure you'll be fine.

Frankie
09-06-2011, 11:20 AM
... go down and confront him and see what happens. I'm sure you'll be fine.

My point flew right over your head again. I'm shocked! LMAOLMAO

Jaric
09-06-2011, 11:35 AM
By no means do I minimize the behavior. In fact I safely say I am by far the most concerned among all posters here about that behavior.

With that out of the way, I have a neighbor who screams loud violent sounding curses at his 5 daughters and his wife every once in a while. Maybe I should break down their door and shoot him, you think?

I think it sounds to me like he hates freedom and Jesus. Furthermore, if you disagree with that and refuse to bomb him immediately, I can only conclude that YOU ALSO hate freedom and Jesus.

Saul Good
09-06-2011, 12:13 PM
By no means do I minimize the behavior. In fact I safely say I am by far the most concerned among all posters here about that behavior.

With that out of the way, I have a neighbor who screams loud violent sounding curses at his 5 daughters and his wife every once in a while. Maybe I should break down their door and shoot him, you think?

Does he regularly threaten to blow up your house while filling his garage with cannisters of gasoline?

Jaric
09-06-2011, 12:44 PM
Does he regularly threaten to blow up your house while filling his garage with cannisters of gasoline?

What about if we only see things that might be lids to canisters of gas but might be for some other purpose?

Donger
09-06-2011, 12:47 PM
What about if we only see things that might be lids to canisters of gas but might be for some other purpose?

Some of the things that Iran is doing (and has done) have only one purpose.

BucEyedPea
09-06-2011, 01:23 PM
Some of the things that Iran is doing (and has done) have only one purpose.

Nope...it's speculation. BTW when are you going to call him "crazy" because he doesn't agree with you?

go bowe
09-06-2011, 01:28 PM
Nope...it's speculation. BTW when are you going to call him "crazy" because he doesn't agree with you?

oh honey, you're our favorite crazy, we wouldn't quit on you...

in fact, you're so crazy that we have a lot of fun with y..., er your posts...

Jaric
09-06-2011, 01:29 PM
Some of the things that Iran is doing (and has done) have only one purpose.

Iran? We're talking about Frankie's neighbor.

Jaric
09-06-2011, 01:30 PM
Nope...it's speculation. BTW when are you going to call him "crazy" because he doesn't agree with you?

He knows he's on thin ice after that college for illegal immigration thread fiasco.

:shake: @ donger

go bowe
09-06-2011, 01:33 PM
in other news, a convoy of more than 200 armored vehicles crossed into niger from libya, believed to be carrying large amounts of gold and cash, and perhaps khadoofus himself...

Donger
09-06-2011, 01:43 PM
Nope...it's speculation. BTW when are you going to call him "crazy" because he doesn't agree with you?

No, the IAEA has evidence that the Iranians carried out these experiments (which have only one purpose). Iran refuses to offer an explanation (because they can't).

Donger
09-06-2011, 01:43 PM
He knows he's on thin ice after that college for illegal immigration thread fiasco.

:shake: @ donger

Fiasco? Heck, that was a very tame one.

BucEyedPea
09-06-2011, 02:30 PM
No, the IAEA has evidence that the Iranians carried out these experiments (which have only one purpose). Iran refuses to offer an explanation (because they can't).

I showed you in another thread how your claims were incomplete and do not provide proof.

Donger
09-06-2011, 02:41 PM
I showed you in another thread how your claims were incomplete and do not provide proof.

I doubt that.

Frankie
09-06-2011, 03:16 PM
Does he regularly threaten to blow up your house while filling his garage with cannisters of gasoline?

No. Neither does Iran's regime.

Frankie
09-06-2011, 03:17 PM
Nope...it's speculation.

And paranoia.

Frankie
09-06-2011, 03:20 PM
I showed you in another thread how your claims were incomplete and do not provide proof.

Oh, he will come back again and again and again, with something addressed or debunked in another thread. LMAO

go bowe
09-06-2011, 03:40 PM
in other news, surrender negotiations for one of the three cities still under government control have broken down and an attack seems imminent...

some rebel fighters will be attacking members of their own tribe...

tribalism is no longer the driving force in libya...

Frankie
09-06-2011, 04:20 PM
tribalism is no longer the driving force in libya...

Good.

stevieray
09-06-2011, 06:05 PM
My point flew right over your head again. I'm shocked! LMAOLMAO

big sign of insecurity is needing to pat yourself on the back.

you can't refute the post, so you go after the poster...

again.

Frankie
09-06-2011, 08:16 PM
By no means do I minimize the behavior. In fact I safely say I am by far the most concerned among all posters here about that behavior.

With that out of the way, I have a neighbor who screams loud violent sounding curses at his 5 daughters and his wife every once in a while. Maybe I should break down their door and shoot him, you think?

... go down and confront him and see what happens. I'm sure you'll be fine.

My point flew right over your head again. I'm shocked! LMAOLMAO

big sign of insecurity is needing to pat yourself on the back.

you can't refute the post, so you go after the poster...

again.
The only one making any point in this little conversation was me (check the first post). Then you totally displayed YOUR insecurity by posting what I have bolded.

Irony is a bitch!

stevieray
09-07-2011, 07:39 AM
The only one making any point in this little conversation was me (check the first post). Then you totally displayed YOUR insecurity by posting what I have bolded.

Irony is a bitch!

.... putting the cart before the horse isn't witty or clever, it's just avoiding the point....again.

suzzer99
09-07-2011, 10:28 AM
Funny how pretty much no one mentions Libya now, since liberal democrats are still butthurt about it, and republicans can't find anything to criticize Obama in it. If you ask me he played it perfectly. He picked a winnable spot, and forced our allies to take the lead like we should have done a long time ago. If things go horribly wrong we won't look great but at least we aren't stuck in a quagmire like Iraq.

go bowe
09-07-2011, 01:01 PM
Funny how pretty much no one mentions Libya now, since liberal democrats are still butthurt about it, and republicans can't find anything to criticize Obama in it. If you ask me he played it perfectly. He picked a winnable spot, and forced our allies to take the lead like we should have done a long time ago. If things go horribly wrong we won't look great but at least we aren't stuck in a quagmire like Iraq.

yep, that's pretty much the deal...

in other news, the rebels think they have khadoofy surrounded in southern libya and will soon capture or kill him...

BucEyedPea
09-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Funny how pretty much no one mentions Libya now, since liberal democrats are still butthurt about it, and republicans can't find anything to criticize Obama in it. If you ask me he played it perfectly. He picked a winnable spot, and forced our allies to take the lead like we should have done a long time ago. If things go horribly wrong we won't look great but at least we aren't stuck in a quagmire like Iraq.

O.M.G. people actually believe such things? :deevee:

Frankie
09-07-2011, 02:08 PM
.... putting the cart before the horse isn't witty or clever, it's just avoiding the point....again.

:LOL:

WTF ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?!!! Have you made any post in the last God knows how many years that makes any sense?

ROFL

mlyonsd
09-07-2011, 02:11 PM
O.M.G. people actually believe such things? :deevee:Nation building became cool a couple years ago.

Donger
09-07-2011, 03:42 PM
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/07/exclusive-libyan-missiles-looted/?hpt=hp_t2

EXCLUSIVE: Libyan missiles looted

CNN's Ben Wedeman and Ingrid Formanek reporting from Tripoli, Libya -

TRIPOLI, Libya (CNN) - A potent stash of Russian-made surface-to-air missiles is missing from a huge Tripoli weapons warehouse amid reports of weapons looting across war-torn Libya.

They are Grinch SA-24 shoulder-launched missiles, also known as Igla-S missiles, the equivalent of U.S.-made Stinger missiles.

A CNN team and Human Rights Watch found dozens of empty crates marked with packing lists and inventory numbers that identified the items as Igla-S surface-to-air missiles.

The list for one box, for example, written in English and Russian, said it had contained two missiles, with inventory number "Missile 9M342," and a power source, inventory number "Article 9B238."

Grinch SA-24s are designed to target front-line aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles and drones. They can shoot down a plane flying as high as 11,000 feet and can travel 19,000 feet straight out.

Fighters aligned with the National Transitional Council and others swiped armaments from the storage facility, witnesses told Human Rights Watch. The warehouse is located near a base of the Khamis Brigade, a special forces unit in Gadhafi's military, in the southeastern part of the capital.

The warehouse contains mortars and artillery rounds, but there are empty crates for those items as well. There are also empty boxes for another surface-to-air missile, the SA-7.

Peter Bouckaert, Human Rights Watch emergencies director, told CNN he has seen the same pattern in armories looted elsewhere in Libya, noting that "in every city we arrive, the first thing to disappear are the surface-to-air missiles."

He said such missiles can fetch many thousands of dollars on the black market.

"We are talking about some 20,000 surface-to-air missiles in all of Libya, and I've seen cars packed with them." he said. "They could turn all of North Africa into a no-fly zone."

There was no immediate comment from NTC officials.

The lack of security at the weapons site raises concerns about stability in post-Gadhafi Libya and whether the new NTC leadership is doing enough to stop the weapons from getting into the wrong hands.

A NATO official, who asked to not be named because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, said 575 surface-to-air missiles, radar systems and sites or storage facilities were hit by NATO airstrikes and either damaged or destroyed between March 31 and Saturday. He didn't elaborate on the specifics about the targets.

Gen. Carter Ham, chief of U.S. Africa Command, has said he's concerned about the proliferation of weapons, most notably the shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles. He said there were about 20,000 in Libya when the international operation began earlier this year and many of them have not been accounted for.

"That's going to be a concern for some period of time," he said in April.

Gilles de Kerchove, the European Union counterterrorism coordinator, raised concerns Monday about the possibility that al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, based in North Africa, could gain access to small arms, machine guns and surface-to-air missiles.

Western officials worry that weapons from the storage sites will end up in the hands of militants or adversaries like Iran.

The governments of neighboring Niger and Chad have both said that weapons from Libya are already being smuggled into their countries, and they are destined for al Qaeda. They include detonators and a plastic explosive called Semtex. Chad's president said they include SA-7 missiles.

An ethnic Tuareg leader in the northern Niger city of Agadez also said many weapons have come across the border. He said he and other Tuareg leaders are anxious about Gadhafi's Tuareg fighters returning home - with their weapons - and making common cause with al Qaeda cells in the region. Gadhafi's fighting forces have included mercenaries from other African nations.

The missing weapons also conjure fears of what happened in Iraq, where people grabbed scores of weapons when Saddam Hussein's regime was overthrown.

Bouckaert said one or two of the missing artillery rounds are "enough to make a car bomb."

"We should remember what happened in Iraq," he said, when the "country was turned upside down" by insurgents using such weaponry.

There have been similar concerns in Afghanistan, where the United States provided thousands of Stinger missiles to the Afghan mujahedeen when they were fighting the Soviets in the 1980s. The United States has spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to buy them back, fearful that they would fall into the hands of terrorists.

stevieray
09-08-2011, 07:30 AM
:LOL:

WTF ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?!!! Have you made any post in the last God knows how many years that makes any sense?

ROFL
well, considering this is your SOP, and you've deflected so far away from the point, it's no coinkydink this is what you're reduced to....it used to be comical, now it's just pathetisad.

Frankie
09-08-2011, 10:13 AM
well, considering this is your SOP, and you've deflected so far away from the point, it's no coinkydink this is what you're reduced to....it used to be comical, now it's just pathetisad.

:eek: WHAT A COLOSSAL PROJECTION ARTIST YOU ARE!

Your whole post is like a detailed self-portrait. LMAO

stevieray
09-08-2011, 11:26 AM
:eek: WHAT A COLOSSAL PROJECTION ARTIST YOU ARE!

Your whole post is like a detailed self-portrait. LMAO



my posts don't make sense, yet here there/here you were/are ....trying to engage me...you are soooooooo desperate for conflict and the psuedo victory dance that got you abused in the 159 thread.

SOP

Frankie
09-08-2011, 11:38 AM
my posts don't make sense, yet here there/here you were/are ....trying to engage me...you are soooooooo desperate for conflict and the psuedo victory dance that got you abused in the 159 thread.

SOP

:facepalm:

go bowe
09-08-2011, 11:45 AM
in other news, ghadoofy's remaining loyalists in bani walid have ended negotiations for surrender and have fired grad rockets at the rebels, with no particular effect apparently...

thousands of rebel fighters have converged on the city and are preparing to assault it as soon as they get the go-ahead from the ntc leadership...

Dave Lane
09-08-2011, 11:48 AM
in other news, ghadoofy's remaining loyalists in bani walid have ended negotiations for surrender and have fired grad rockets at the rebels, with no particular effect apparently...

thousands of rebel fighters have converged on the city and are preparing to assault it as soon as they get the go-ahead from the ntc leadership...

Very cool. Maybe Gadoofy (TM) is actually in there.

Donger
09-08-2011, 11:56 AM
Great. Time to score some more MANPADs.

evenfall
09-08-2011, 12:01 PM
There you go, Libya turned into a fundamentalist Sharia state like the Taliban, missiles capable of shooting down airliners are looted by Al Queda...

Obama has definitely "played this perfectly".

go bowe
09-08-2011, 12:02 PM
Very cool. Maybe Gadoofy (TM) is actually in there.

the rebels are saying that he's riding around in the desert in southern libya...

apparently they pitch a tent to rest/sleep and then just drive around (i wonder where they're getting their gas)...

they think they've got him cornered within a 60km radius...

the end may be near...

go bowe
09-08-2011, 12:03 PM
There you go, Libya turned into a fundamentalist Sharia state like the Taliban, missiles capable of shooting down airliners are looted by Al Queda...

Obama has definitely "played this perfectly".

seriously?

fundamentalist sharia state like the taliban?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

evenfall
09-08-2011, 12:08 PM
seriously?

fundamentalist sharia state like the taliban?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

Down the road when its all said and done, that's what it will be. And it was easily forseeable

stevieray
09-08-2011, 06:51 PM
:facepalm:

..all I had to do was post a response to BEP and you've been flailing ever since.

...caps and emoticons is all you've got left...other than the last word...mid air thread exposed that too.

ROYC75
09-08-2011, 08:42 PM
Hey Frankie,

When is the end game in Libya ?

Obammy hasn't spoken on this again for a while. Will it be in 2 weeks after he thinks about it for another 2 weeks ?

Frankie
09-08-2011, 10:10 PM
..all I had to do was post a response to BEP and you've been flailing ever since.

...caps and emoticons is all you've got left...other than the last word...mid air thread exposed that too.

And now in English....

Frankie
09-08-2011, 10:11 PM
Hey Frankie,

When is the end game in Libya ?

Obammy hasn't spoken on this again for a while. Will it be in 2 weeks after he thinks about it for another 2 weeks ?

?

stevieray
09-09-2011, 11:21 AM
And now in English....

...says the guy who can't distinguish between thrown and throne.

Frankie
09-09-2011, 11:30 AM
...says the guy who can't distinguish between thrown and throne.

I don't know where that was. But a typo is quite different from totally incoherent sentence structures.

Try again.

stevieray
09-09-2011, 11:34 AM
I don't know where that was. But a typo is quite different from totally incoherent sentence structures.

Try again.


....you had no problem putting words in my mouth in your first reply.

....and there is no try again. English mother****er...learn it or STFU about it.. that isn't a typo...an eight year old probably knows the difference between throne and thrown.

Frankie
09-09-2011, 11:37 AM
....you had no problem putting words in my mouth in your first reply.

....and there is no try again. English mother****er...learn it or STFU about it.. that isn't a typo...an eight year old can probably knows the difference between throne and thrown.

Oooh, what's with the rough language Jesus man?

stevieray
09-09-2011, 11:50 AM
Oooh, what's with the rough language Jesus man?

...your same ol SOP...Jesus goes from a mocked myth to real.