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Chocolate Hog
08-23-2011, 03:42 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/kc-mayor-talks-gun-checkpoints#ixzz1VtCGj5Ok


KANSAS CITY, Missouri - Kansas Citys mayor wants to arm police with greater ability to seize illegal guns. To do so, Mayor Sly James is asking taxpayers one question.
If the police were to use their authority to stop vehicles and look for guns in the areas where guns are most likely to kill people, would you support that or would you say that they were racist because they were spending a lot of time in black or Latino communities," James asked during a city business session last week.
If they want to look for guns, I got no problem with it at all, James Green said.
Near 17th and Kansas, Green watched police investigate a shooting. Officers found a man dead inside a car hit by bullets. 10 months ago, frequent gunfire forced Green to move out his Kansas City home. It drives Demetra Fanning to escort her five kids wherever they go.
(Its) because you never know whats going to go on, who's going to start shooting, Fanning said. You know, you do have to be very cautious in the neighborhoods that we are in.
I grew up in the community and I know it well, said Paula Fairley. But, at the same time, I (am) scared because I dont know who has a gun.
Im fed up with (gun violence), Green said. I just lost a sister-in-law last year, a mother of four, all because of senseless killing.
Twent years ago, too much gun violence led to the Kansas City Gun Experiment . Kansas City police, armed with a Bureau of Justice grant, selected an 80-block gun crime hotspot on the citys east side. The area had a homicide rate 20 times higher than the national average, according to the U.S. Justice Department.
Using heavy, targeted patrols for 29 weeks, police saw gun crime in the target area drop 49 percent. Homicides dropped 67 percent. With recent violence forcing city council to tighten youth curfews, police sources want to experiment again.
Its one thing to say we want things to stop, said James last Thursday when asked about his suggestion. Its another thing to say were willing to do whats necessary to stop it.
Like their mayor, several urban core taxpayers are willing to explore.
Im tired and want (police) to do whatever it takes to get (illegal) guns off the street, Fairley said.


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FishingRod
08-23-2011, 03:51 PM
“If the police were to use their authority to stop vehicles and look for guns "

What authority is that?

Chocolate Hog
08-23-2011, 03:55 PM
This guy is going to cost the city more in lawsuits than Funkhauser.

HonestChieffan
08-23-2011, 03:56 PM
Sounds like he is gonna go after the hood. More power to him, its been ignored too long.

Chocolate Hog
08-23-2011, 03:58 PM
So HonestChieffan thinks gun control works?

HonestChieffan
08-23-2011, 04:01 PM
he is looking in cars for illegal guns....is that your definition of gun control mr Bo?

CoMoChief
08-23-2011, 04:01 PM
Uh...no.

I say let those fuggers kill eachother off.

Chocolate Hog
08-23-2011, 04:03 PM
he is looking in cars for illegal guns....is that your definition of gun control mr Bo?

Define whats an illegal gun.

Pulling over innocent people to search for illegal guns isn't going to eliminate crime. It's a total waste of resources. You want to improve the hood? Start implementing school choice.

BigChiefFan
08-23-2011, 04:07 PM
It's another ignore the Constitution politician. Yippee.

HonestChieffan
08-23-2011, 04:20 PM
Define whats an illegal gun.

Pulling over innocent people to search for illegal guns isn't going to eliminate crime. It's a total waste of resources. You want to improve the hood? Start implementing school choice.


They have in many cases made school choice...the choose to not go. You expect doing some hokus pokus with schools will make the hood safe, drug free and the newest hotspot to invest in? How many damn school projects do we have to fund and see fail?

Jaric
08-23-2011, 04:21 PM
If the police were to use their authority to stop vehicles and look for guns "

What authority is that?

The authority strictly prohibited by the 4th amendment.

Chocolate Hog
08-23-2011, 04:24 PM
They have in many cases made school choice...the choose to not go. You expect doing some hokus pokus with schools will make the hood safe, drug free and the newest hotspot to invest in? How many damn school projects do we have to fund and see fail?

Would school choice solve the problems completely? No but it's a lot better than wasting resources violating the constitution.

FishingRod
08-24-2011, 07:48 AM
The authority strictly prohibited by the 4th amendment.

Spot on Jaric,

Now I'm not saying it wouldn't help lower the crime rate but, Im one of those crazy people that object when people wipe their ass with the constitution even when the specific action might have some favorable results.

Baby Lee
08-24-2011, 08:08 AM
This reminds me of a recent post I saw [at Sully IIRC] arguing that marijuana laws are racist because of the arrest disparity [which is pretty stark]. They snarked that white folk can light up in their tony townhouses with impunity, while the poor brother gets busted for lighting up on a corner in the hood.

Motherfucker!! One person is lighting up in private, the other in public. That's not racist, that's a lack of common sense

CoMoChief
08-24-2011, 10:44 AM
I seethis being no different than govt wasting our time and tax dollars on sobriety checkpoints ....which is also against the 4th amendment ..but the powers that be don't care.

Saul Good
08-24-2011, 11:26 AM
I seethis being no different than goggles wasting our time and tax dollars on sobriety checkpoints ....which is also against the 4th amendment ..but the powers that be don't care.

If police can set up checkpoints for drugs or booze, I guess they can do it for illegal weapons.

Ace Gunner
08-24-2011, 11:31 AM
"If the police were to use their authority to stop vehicles and look for ______"

Obviously, many posters in this thread and most americans do not know what Sly knows. There is no longer a 4th amendment.



Article the sixth [Amendment IV]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

evenfall
08-24-2011, 11:59 AM
If they already stop cars with no cause for sobriety checkpoints, I don't see it as any more of a leap to stop cars to search for guns not being lawfully posessed.

For whomever made the racist comment about "just let them all kill each other" (you forgot "those people"), many of those illegally posessing weapons will have priors, so this will keep them from blockin' out the scenery for 5 years.

Baby Lee
08-24-2011, 12:14 PM
If police can set up checkpoints for drugs or booze, I guess they can do it for illegal weapons.

Sobriety checkpoints are limited to plain sight conditions, and progress to searches only on probable cause.

Unless you're saying that you're OK with gun checkpoints where the police are limited to glancing around the cabin from the exterior of the car.

Brock
08-24-2011, 12:17 PM
Sobriety checkpoints are limited to plain sight conditions, and progress to searches only on probable cause.

Unless you're saying that you're OK with gun checkpoints where the police are limited to glancing around the cabin from the exterior of the car.

Gun sniffing dogs.

Baby Lee
08-24-2011, 12:35 PM
Gun sniffing dogs.

I'd love to defend a case like that. The dog has to stay outside the car as well, where, since this is a dynamic situation, unlike taking gun sniffing dogs through parking lots, the closest gun would be on the officer's hip.

gblowfish
08-24-2011, 02:50 PM
I think Chris Rock's suggestion is valid. Make bullets cost $5000 ea. Then, if somebody wants to shoot somebody, they really have to save up to do it.

verbaljitsu
08-24-2011, 03:49 PM
If police can set up checkpoints for drugs or booze, I guess they can do it for illegal weapons.

NO!

Do not think that way! The Supreme Court has ruled that police cannot set up random checkpoints for drugs (which hasn't necessarily stopped them). Random checkpoints have only been expressly authorized in very limited circumstances. The police are really pushing those circumstances, largely because the people are apathetic or believe that "they can do it." Well, in a constitutional republic, they cannot.

There may be a compelling state interest in reducing "illegal" (whatever the hell that means) firearms, but that interest is not at all linked to driving (like say...DRIVING while intoxicated).

KC native
08-24-2011, 04:09 PM
No, no, no. More police powers aren't the answer.

Btw, I just found out from my mother, who works for the KCPD, that the KCPD is using GPS tracking devices on suspect cars without a warrant. That is fucking horseshit.

Donger
08-24-2011, 04:13 PM
Sobriety checkpoints are limited to plain sight conditions, and progress to searches only on probable cause.

Unless you're saying that you're OK with gun checkpoints where the police are limited to glancing around the cabin from the exterior of the car.

How is that defined? The only time I've gone through one of those was coming up the hill heading south on Ward Parkway, and just after the crest of the hill was the checkpoint.

BigChiefFan
08-24-2011, 04:14 PM
Give an inch and they take a mile. Next they'll say your house is a dangerous place to have a gun and justify kicking in your door. When will the madness end?

go bowe
08-24-2011, 09:31 PM
Give an inch and they take a mile. Next they'll say your house is a dangerous place to have a gun and justify kicking in your door. When will the madness end?

constitutional issues aside, are you against taking as many guns out of the hood as possible?

how 'bout hoods like the plaza?

should the police try to do something about guns on the plaza?

BigChiefFan
08-24-2011, 09:54 PM
constitutional issues aside, are you against taking as many guns out of the hood as possible?

how 'bout hoods like the plaza?

should the police try to do something about guns on the plaza?That's a complex question. I would say that INDIVIDUALS are to blame. It's not that guns are a problem, it's the people using them. You can't take a gun out of good people's hands because some idiots can't handle the responsibility. Good people should also be allowed to protect themselves, ESPECIALLY in high crime areas.

The mentality of killing being acceptable is what needs to change. Down-trodden areas need responsible leadership and people who want to improve their community. It all starts at home.

Ace Gunner
08-25-2011, 12:10 AM
No, no, no. More police powers aren't the answer.

Btw, I just found out from my mother, who works for the KCPD, that the KCPD is using GPS tracking devices on suspect cars without a warrant. That is ****ing horseshit.

It's been going on across the country for years now. a state court ruled it okay and it's been taken up by the USSC

Jaric
08-25-2011, 09:49 AM
constitutional issues aside, are you against taking as many guns out of the hood as possible?

how 'bout hoods like the plaza?

should the police try to do something about guns on the plaza?

Guns are tools. No more, no less. You can remove all the guns legal or otherwise from these high crime areas and guess what, people will still find ways to kill each other.

Gun violence is a symptom of a larger problem.

Saul Good
08-25-2011, 10:08 AM
Guns are tools. No more, no less. You can remove all the guns legal or otherwise from these high crime areas and guess what, people will still find ways to kill each other.

Gun violence is a symptom of a larger problem.

You're a lot less likely to stab 3 innocent bystanders, though.

Jaric
08-25-2011, 10:58 AM
You're a lot less likely to stab 3 innocent bystanders, though.

5 minutes on the internet and a trip to the hardware store and you could build a bomb that would take out plenty of innocent bystanders if one wanted.

Again, these are just tools. Symptoms of a larger problem.

Bump
08-26-2011, 12:23 AM
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mnchiefsguy
08-26-2011, 01:58 AM
If police can set up checkpoints for drugs or booze, I guess they can do it for illegal weapons.

Forget about drugs and booze, KCPD ran a checkpoint to check drivers to see if they had a license. Saw it on the 10 o'clock news.