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Frankie
08-24-2011, 04:49 PM
Not to be a sexist, I decided to launch a thread similar to the one I started about Ms. Michele. Thought it would be fun to check out what goes on in Rick Perry's world.

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vailpass
08-24-2011, 04:54 PM
What's his stance on beautiful souls? Father beatings? Distressed airframes?

go bowe
08-24-2011, 10:26 PM
aren't there more interesting rick perry clips?

like where he talks about things getting ugly in texas if bernanke comes to town, you know, bernanke the traitor?

what about the prayer day thing?

isn't he adopting some of ron paul's message (ms. pea brain says so) and competing with bachman for the right wing evangelical vote?

that should make for some great viewing...

come on, get to it! :) :) :)

Frankie
08-25-2011, 12:08 PM
What's his stance on beautiful souls? Father beatings? Distressed airframes?

What's YOUR stance on bankers "HELPING" his campaign?

Frankie
08-25-2011, 12:34 PM
aren't there more interesting rick perry clips?

like where he talks about things getting ugly in texas if bernanke comes to town, you know, bernanke the traitor?

what about the prayer day thing?

isn't he adopting some of ron paul's message (ms. pea brain says so) and competing with bachman for the right wing evangelical vote?

that should make for some great viewing...

come on, get to it! :) :) :)

Patience my wise friend. There are many to address. Like this one:

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Frankie
08-25-2011, 12:39 PM
Or this one:

Rick Perry critics unearth another secession comment

Today's offering in Rick Perry's daily reminders of how thorny national politics are comes from his backyard, in the form of Texas Tribune article on another quip he apparently made about seceding from the union.

The first one was in 2009 in Austin at a rally, a comment dismissed by his aides as a "joke" but already getting fresh oxygen now that he's expected to run for president.

But wait, there's more:

An obscure interview with Perry, posted on the internet more than two years ago, has resurfaced as part of a harsh video put together by a group of Texas Democrats who don’t want the Republican governor to be elected president. The Democrats found the interview on YouTube, originally posted in March 2009, and included it in a four-minute attack on Perry emailed to supporters last weekend.

In the meeting, Perry can be heard speaking to the group of tech bloggers about the founding of Texas in 1836. A slideshow shows Perry pointing to a painting of the dramatic fall of the Alamo, artifacts in his office and the “Come and Take It” logo on his own boots.

Texans have a “different feeling about independence,” Perry told the group.
“When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation,” the governor can be heard saying. “And one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.”

The bloggers erupted in laughter after the remarks, and the slideshow was posted under the headline “Texas Governor Rick Perry jokes about Texas leaving the United States.”
Perry spokesman Mark Miner told the paper the governor never advocated secession.

"He has said many times that we have a great union, and he believes it should stay that way,” Miner told the Trib.

But the audio is likely to get quite a workout in the coming months, and in campaigns, perception tends to trump all else.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61030.html

BigRichard
08-25-2011, 12:56 PM
The fact that he brought up the secession of Texas makes him unelectable I believe. I think he will have a hard time defending that if he is nominated. But only time will tell.

I am really hoping the Republicans put up someone other then the several religious nutjobs they seem to be leaning towards. I would rather the country have another four years of Obama then deal with all the religious bullshit. Although the left is getting almost as bad with wanting to control things we want to do.

Donger
08-25-2011, 01:07 PM
This secession issue is not very important. He's a Texan. Heck, look at Texas' slogan.

BigRichard
08-25-2011, 01:14 PM
This secession issue is not very important. He's a Texan. Heck, look at Texas' slogan.

I think you underestimate how the public will perceive that. I think he will not be able to persuade the people who actually decide elections that he is not a complete nutjob.

mlyonsd
08-25-2011, 01:16 PM
I think you underestimate how the public will perceive that. I think he will not be able to persuade the people who actually decide elections that he is not a complete nutjob.No, not really. And I don't even like him.

Donger
08-25-2011, 01:18 PM
I think you underestimate how the public will perceive that. I think he will not be able to persuade the people who actually decide elections that he is not a complete nutjob.

What makes you think he wasn't making a joke (or at least a half joke)?

fan4ever
08-25-2011, 01:19 PM
I think you underestimate how the public will perceive that. I think he will not be able to persuade the people who actually decide elections that he is not a complete nutjob.

I'm not sure the conservative general public blames him at all. Sounds a little out there, but desperate times...

BigRichard
08-25-2011, 01:24 PM
No, not really. And I don't even like him.

What makes you think he wasn't making a joke (or at least a half joke)?

I'm not sure the conservative general public blames him at all. Sounds a little out there, but desperate times...

Do all of you lean towards the right in your politics? I believe Donger and fan4ever do but I am not sure about mlyonsd. I am not knocking anyone just asking.

Donger
08-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Do all of you lean towards the right in your politics? I believe Donger and fan4ever do but I am not sure about mlyonsd. I am not knocking anyone just asking.

Yes, I lean a little to the right of Hitler.

RedNeckRaider
08-25-2011, 01:25 PM
I think you underestimate how the public will perceive that. I think he will not be able to persuade the people who actually decide elections that he is not a complete nutjob.

LMAO if the last election proved anything it is people can be persuaded by pure hype alone~

BigRichard
08-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Yes, I lean a little to the right of Hitler.

Not sure what you are trying to say here.

fan4ever
08-25-2011, 01:32 PM
Do all of you lean towards the right in your politics? I believe Donger and fan4ever do but I am not sure about mlyonsd. I am not knocking anyone just asking.

I'm a conservative, so I guess that makes me right leaning...

Frankie
08-25-2011, 01:33 PM
LMAO if the last election proved anything it is people can be persuaded by pure hype alone~

Nail head, meet hammer. :thumb:

BigRichard
08-25-2011, 01:43 PM
I know I said the public when I was talking about how it would be perceived but I misspoke. I just don't think the middle of the road voters will like it very much. It is my opinion, I just don't see it happening.

Dave Lane
08-25-2011, 01:48 PM
Yes, I lean a little to the right of Hitler.

Hitler was a left wing, bleeding heart liberal, socialist and don't you forget it. /bep

mlyonsd
08-25-2011, 01:56 PM
Do all of you lean towards the right in your politics? I believe Donger and fan4ever do but I am not sure about mlyonsd. I am not knocking anyone just asking.Yeah I'm pretty conservative. My biggest failure is not speaking up enough about Bush's fiscal responsibilities while he was president. He set a standard that never should have been set.

I had no idea the next guy would drive fiscal responsibility over the cliff Thelma and Louise style though. Especially after his campaigning about deficits. All lies though.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:13 PM
Hitler was a left wing, bleeding heart liberal, socialist and don't you forget it. /bep, patteeu et al
FYP

I never said he was a "bleeding heart liberal." He was a fascist which shares 6 planks of socialism and — THAT is why he was left-wing on a linear scale of no govt on the right and total govt on the left. He nationalized major industries. I know when you lefties can't articulate or refute a position you change what was said somewhat and/or lying through omission. That's a sure sign you've conceded the argument to most educated folks.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:18 PM
Texans have a “different feeling about independence,” Perry told the group.
“When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation,” the governor can be heard saying.”



Well, this part is factually true. Texas was a stand-alone Republic. Their president was Sam Houston. They didn't like how the Mexican govt administered it before that. They negotiated their annexation. I don't know what deal was cut though...but I am sure that can easily be checked into.

There's nothing wrong with Perry saying this....it's the truth.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:23 PM
"Texas is a unique place. When we came into the union in 1845, one of the issues was that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that," Perry said. "My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that."

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:30 PM
...whether anyone LIKES it or NOT.

There's nothing in the federal Constitution to prevent this. So it's mere opinion based on not liking the idea. The original thriteen states would NEVER have ratified something with any power power to make war on them if they decided to leave the Union. In fact the idea of force was discussed at the original Constitutional Convention and the Framers decided to scrap it.


Kevin Gutzman writes with an intriguing argument for the right to secede:

As I discuss in ch. 3 of Virginia's American Revolution and in my 2004 Review of Politics article "Edmund Randolph and Virginia Constitutionalism," Virginians retained the right to reclaim the powers they were delegating to the Federal Government (that is, to secede) in case those rights were perverted to their oppression (which has to be a matter that is for them alone to decide). Under the Supreme Court's long-standing Equal Footing Doctrine (that all states must be treated alike), which reflects the universal understanding of the ratifiers, that means Texas can secede if it wants to.

Now, of course, it could be that the president, in the mode of Lincoln, would ignore Texas's right. That's a separate issue.

Link— bottom section (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/26353.html)


With the way polls show Americans don't think the country is on the right track ( under Bush too) and that DC no longer represents its interests I wouldn't be surprised if more wouldn't agree with Perry or begin to entertain the idea. You can't be a believer or supporter in the idea of natural fundatmental rights and disagree with secession as a last resort to tyranny.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:36 PM
What's YOUR stance on bankers "HELPING" his campaign?

I think it's a bad sign. If he needs money he'll be held hostage to them later.

BigRichard
08-25-2011, 02:36 PM
...whether anyone LIKES it or NOT.

There's nothing in the federal Constitution to prevent this. So it's mere opinion based on not liking the idea. The original thriteen states would NEVER have ratified something with any power power to make war on them if they decided to leave the Union. In fact the idea of force was discussed at the original Constitutional Convention and the Framers decided to scrap it.





With the way polls show Americans don't think the country is on the right track ( under Bush too) and that DC no longer represents its interests I wouldn't be surprised if more wouldn't agree with Perry or begin to entertain the idea. You can't be a believer or supporter in the idea of natural fundatmental rights and disagree with secession as a last resort to tyranny.

Tyranny? You mean the government that was elected by the people.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:36 PM
Yes, I lean a little to the right of Hitler.

Nah, you're just a Tory.

Baby Lee
08-25-2011, 02:37 PM
The fact that he brought up the secession of Texas makes him unelectable I believe. I think he will have a hard time defending that if he is nominated. But only time will tell.

I am really hoping the Republicans put up someone other then the several religious nutjobs they seem to be leaning towards. I would rather the country have another four years of Obama then deal with all the religious bullshit. Although the left is getting almost as bad with wanting to control things we want to do.

If Guiliani joins the race, I don't want to see you joining the cavalcade of "Hey! He wore a dress for a skit that one time. Hey!! He has gays friends. Hey!! He doesn't toe the pro-life line 100%"

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:42 PM
Tyranny? You mean the government that was elected by the people.

You didn't read what I said about how people feel about that representation today.
You also didn't read that there's nothing in the Constitution that disallows it.
Secession is the last check and balance on the Federal govt.

I might add you could do a read of the Declaration of Independence. Secession now would be no different than secession from the Crown at one time.

Also, there is such a thing as the tyranny of the majority.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:43 PM
If Guiliani joins the race, I don't want to see you joining the cavalcade of "Hey! He wore a dress for a skit that one time. Hey!! He has gays friends. Hey!! He doesn't toe the pro-life line 100%"

I'll just say, another NeoCon enters. How do most Americans feel about war today? Tired of it. How'd this war advocate do the last time?

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 02:47 PM
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security...

Thomas Jefferson

Baby Lee
08-25-2011, 02:59 PM
I'll just say, another NeoCon enters. How do most Americans feel about war today? Tired of it. How'd this war advocate do the last time?


Well, in a world where there's; 1) Ron Paul, 2) BEP, and 3) a shitload of 'neocons' . . .

Oh, and you do realize that the passage of time is an actual thing, don't you? This isn't specific [or even applicable, save through analogy] to Guiliani, you have this penchant for digging up sentences uttered decades ago and claiming it dispositive regarding the utterer for all time.

Regarding FP, when the likes of Bush and Obama come to largely congruent positions once installed in office, I'd submit that; 1) access to the threat assessment is a fairly transformative experience, and 2) things aren't going to converge wildly until the threat assessment changes wildly no matter who is in office.

I am placing faith in Guiliani to focus of domestic fiscal matter in a manner that we need, without all the kooky red/blue social shit.

Frankie
08-25-2011, 03:18 PM
Well, this part is factually true. Texas was a stand-alone Republic. Their president was Sam Houston. They didn't like how the Mexican govt administered it before that. They negotiated their annexation. I don't know what deal was cut though...but I am sure that can easily be checked into.

There's nothing wrong with Perry saying this....it's the truth.

I have no doubt it's true. But playing that card makes him unqualified for the presidency of the "UNITED STATES" of America.

Now if he wants to secede and become the president of Texas, that's another story. It may even be welcome by many Americans.

mlyonsd
08-25-2011, 03:19 PM
I have no doubt it's true. But playing that card makes him unqualified for the presidency of the "UNITED STATES" of America.

Now if he wants to secede and become the president of Texas, that's another story. It may even be welcome by many Americans.Unqualified? Really?

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 03:19 PM
Well, in a world where there's; 1) Ron Paul, 2) BEP, and 3) a shitload of 'neocons' . . .

Oh, and you do realize that the passage of time is an actual thing, don't you? This isn't specific [or even applicable, save through analogy] to Guiliani, you have this penchant for digging up sentences uttered decades ago and claiming it dispositive regarding the utterer for all time.

Regarding FP, when the likes of Bush and Obama come to largely congruent positions once installed in office, I'd submit that; 1) access to the threat assessment is a fairly transformative experience, and 2) things aren't going to converge wildly until the threat assessment changes wildly no matter who is in office.

I am placing faith in Guiliani to focus of domestic fiscal matter in a manner that we need, without all the kooky red/blue social shit.

Guiliani is considered a MAJOR HAWK in FP. That makes him a NeoCon. Polls show 70% of Americans are sick of this stuff. Furthermore, he wrote a program with Newt for Iraq that was warmed over socialism. Time to stop reading the Weekly Standard.

Frankie
08-25-2011, 03:21 PM
Nah, you're just a Tory.

:LOL: According to him (in this forum at least) that's even worse than being called a MFer.

Frankie
08-25-2011, 03:22 PM
If Guiliani joins the race, I don't want to see you joining the cavalcade of "Hey! He wore a dress for a skit that one time. Hey!! He has gays friends. Hey!! He doesn't toe the pro-life line 100%"

"9/11" is enough.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 03:22 PM
I have no doubt it's true. But playing that card makes him unqualified for the presidency of the "UNITED STATES" of America.
Only if you want another Lincoln—who violated the Constitution in many ways.

Now if he wants to secede and become the president of Texas, that's another story. It may even be welcome by many Americans.

Well no, because it means, or it should mean, he would restrain the Federal govt, hopefully, thereby avoiding any possibility of secession by Texas ( if you see the whole quote and put what he said in context) or any other state. Again, if you read the whole quote in context instead of just the parts you are isolating he doesn't say secession is desirable either. He alludes to when it could be and that implies he wouldn't be that kind of president. I am not saying he'd be the kind of president he claims though. That's another argument.

Frankie
08-25-2011, 03:23 PM
Unqualified? Really?

Opinion.

Donger
08-25-2011, 03:24 PM
:LOL: According to him (in this forum at least) that's even worse than being called a MFer.

You never answered that question, BTW.

RedNeckRaider
08-25-2011, 03:26 PM
I have no doubt it's true. But playing that card makes him unqualified for the presidency of the "UNITED STATES" of America.Now if he wants to secede and become the president of Texas, that's another story. It may even be welcome by many Americans.

Another thing Obama being elected has proven, qualification is not a requirement~

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 03:27 PM
"My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that."~ Perry

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 03:27 PM
You never answered that question, BTW.

Your questions are NOT meant to be answered. They're obviously rhetorical.

RedNeckRaider
08-25-2011, 03:30 PM
"My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that."~ Perry

I have no problem with that statement at all. I have issues with the guy and that does not even make the list~

mlyonsd
08-25-2011, 03:31 PM
Opinion.JMO but I think the word you were looking for there was 'suitable'.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 03:32 PM
I have no problem with that statement at all. I have issues with the guy and that does not even make the list~

I have issues with him too, but like I said that's for another argument. I am just focusing on this issue about Perry which is no issue for me.

Frankie
08-25-2011, 03:38 PM
"My hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention. We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, who knows what may come of that."~ Perry

I know about the full quote. My point is a guy who brings it up as a serious possibility, could have no validation as the president of the "UNITED'" States.

Frankie
08-25-2011, 03:39 PM
Your questions are meant to be answered. They're obviously rhetorical.

Nah, more like redundant and stupid.

Frankie
08-25-2011, 03:41 PM
JMO but I think the word you were looking for there was 'suitable'.

Thank you. I totally agree. That's a better word. I stand improved.

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 03:41 PM
I know about the full quote. My point is a guy who brings it up as a serious possibility, could have no validation as the president of the "UNITED'" States.

They do take an oath to uphold the Constitution which allows secession and there is still a "united" states remaining for him to preside over.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

RedNeckRaider
08-25-2011, 03:47 PM
I know about the full quote. My point is a guy who brings it up as a serious possibility, could have no validation as the president of the "UNITED'" States.

With the current embarrassment we have in office the bar is so low anyone running this time may trip on it~

RedNeckRaider
08-25-2011, 04:15 PM
With the current embarrassment we have in office the bar is so low anyone running this time may trip on it~

Come on damn it that is a good line :harumph:

go bowe
08-25-2011, 04:30 PM
Come on damn it that is a good line :harumph:

actually. it's a very good line, even if misguided... ;)

BucEyedPea
08-25-2011, 04:31 PM
Frankie, this issue plays big on the left side of the political spectrum more. The limited govt crowd on the right support Perry on this point. Granted we're not a big crowd these days, but we do exist.

RedNeckRaider
08-25-2011, 04:51 PM
actually. it's a very good line, even if misguided... ;)

Thank you I will be here all week...don't forget to tip the waitress~

Baby Lee
08-25-2011, 07:07 PM
"9/11" is enough.

Quick question, were one to assume the Repub Nom won in 2012, which of the field is more palatable to you than Guiliani and why?

Also, WTF does'"9/11" is enough' even mean, in reference to my exchange with BigRic?

Frankie
08-25-2011, 09:56 PM
Quick question, were one to assume the Repub Nom won in 2012, which of the field is more palatable to you than Guiliani and why?

Also, WTF does'"9/11" is enough' even mean, in reference to my exchange with BigRic?

1- Huntsman, I guess.

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Frankie
09-04-2011, 09:49 PM
Rick's book biting him in the ass? LMAO

http://news.yahoo.com/perrys-fiery-fed-may-come-back-haunt-him-161746561.html;_ylt=AvMDvmWGu3JZIi2TfhU9IxGwag8F;_ylu=X3oDMTU1a3E3OWtqBGNjb2RlA3dlaWdodGVkY3QuYwRtaX QDTW9zdCBQb3B1bGFyIEFydGljbGVzBHBrZwNmNGRjNTVjZi1jZmRkLTMwN2MtOGM1My1kNDEzNjQxNWYyYTYEcG9zAzEEc2VjA0 1lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZE1vc3RQb3B1bGFyQ0EEdmVyA2EzMjJiNGIwLWQ2ODUtMTFlMC1iZjNmLWQ2Y2JjMTgyODE3Nw--;_ylg=X3oDMTMzcmJraTFkBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMmExNmY0NjAtNjM1My0zZGJiLTk0NjEtZWMyNTQ0OT kxZWZhBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxhc2lhBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQR0ZXN0Aw--;_ylv=3

go bowe
09-04-2011, 11:26 PM
eh, what can you expect from those yahoos at yahoo?

Baby Lee
09-21-2011, 11:01 AM
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/09/20/124702/poll-obama-expected-to-lose-but.html

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