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Deberg_1990
08-26-2011, 06:19 AM
http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/liberty/goshen-college-bans-the-star-spangled-banner-25761/



The Board of Directors at Goshen College, a private, pacifistic liberal arts college in Indiana, asked President James E. Brenneman to find an alternative to playing “The Star-Spangled Banner” at sporting events.

The Board concluded that playing the national anthem “compromised the ability of college constituents to advance the vision” of Goshen College, in which the institution strives “to be an influential leader in liberal arts education with a growing capacity to serve a theologically, politically, racially and ethnically diverse constituency both within and beyond the Mennonite church,” according to a press release.

The release stated: “Goshen College had not played ‘The Star-Spangled Banner’ prior to sporting events, since beginning to participate in intercollegiate athletics in 1957, although it was never officially banned from campus.”

The decision to move forward with the ban was not without controversy, even among the Board members, the release reported.

“Goshen College has been and remains a ministry of Mennonite Church USA with an enduring peace tradition,” Carlos Romero, executive director of the Mennonite Education Agency and an ex-officio member of the Board said, according to the press release. “The Board’s decision reflects a belief that faith and honoring country can co-exist without disturbing higher allegiances to God.”

|Zach|
08-26-2011, 06:24 AM
I think this whole thing is weird but it is funny the site in the OP didn't mention the whole story. But it doesn't really fit the whole "this college hates America" narrative it was trying to prop up.

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-goshen-college-goshen-college-to-play-america-the-beautiful-at-sporting-events-20110824,0,60444.column

A small northern Indiana college announced Wednesday that they will now play "America the Beautiful" instead of the national anthem at sporting events.

Goshen College stopped playing "The Star-Spangled Banner" after some students and alumnae said the song promoted war.

Goshen's president said "America the Beautiful" fits better with the Mennonite church-affiliated school's beliefs.

The use of "America the Beautiful" will begin this fall and the US flag will be present.

Amnorix
08-26-2011, 06:28 AM
I don't really agree with the reasons for the change, but I think America the Beautiful is a much better song, and would be a better anthem, than the stupid Star-Spangled Banner, which is damn hard to remember or sing.

Seriously -- what percentage of Americans could recite the words from beginning to end, despite hearing it a hundred thousand times?

|Zach|
08-26-2011, 06:33 AM
I don't really agree with the reasons for the change, but I think America the Beautiful is a much better song, and would be a better anthem, than the stupid Star-Spangled Banner, which is damn hard to remember or sing.

Seriously -- what percentage of Americans could recite the words from beginning to end, despite hearing it a hundred thousand times?

Yea, I agree with all of this. It is kind of a weird 'wtf' situation but replacing it with ATB is kinda cool.

I just get a kick out of this original article. Using the word "bans"

lol.

Baby Lee
08-26-2011, 06:39 AM
I don't really agree with the reasons for the change, but I think America the Beautiful is a much better song, and would be a better anthem, than the stupid Star-Spangled Banner, which is damn hard to remember or sing.

Seriously -- what percentage of Americans could recite the words from beginning to end, despite hearing it a hundred thousand times?

Oh say can you see by the dawns early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilights last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight over the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Jenson71
08-26-2011, 06:44 AM
Oh say can you see by the dawns early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilights last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight over the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave?

You are not a true fan!

mlyonsd
08-26-2011, 06:45 AM
You are not a true fan!He's not a true patriot if he ends it with a question.

Jenson71
08-26-2011, 06:51 AM
BTW, I'm in great favor of replacing America, the Beautiful as the official anthem of the USA. Not because of war reasons, though, but because it's just a much more meaningful verse about humans sacrificing for ideals, and the country that stands the test of time, error, and injustice because of it.

Amnorix
08-26-2011, 06:57 AM
Oh say can you see by the dawns early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilights last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight over the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave?


You and I both know that alot of mumbling tends to happen in the middle there after "whose broad stripes and bright stars" until "oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave".

:D

Deberg_1990
08-26-2011, 07:06 AM
Oh say can you see by the dawns early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilights last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight over the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Yes, but do you know the 2nd, 3rd and 4th verses?




On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

http://www.usa-flag-site.org/song-lyrics/star-spangled-banner.shtml

BucEyedPea
08-26-2011, 07:21 AM
No ever sings the other verses at events, so for me it's not an issue.

I prefer the "Star Spangled Banner" over "America the Beautiful," for a national anthem anyway. It's about our fledgling nation's
( as in national govt ) enduring during the War of 1812, which for me as like another War of Independence. In this case being able to remain independent. Many people and countries back then didn't think we'd last. So SSB has more meaning and relevance for me. It is a more rousing or uplifting song for a new nation's cause.

"America the Beautiful" is more about the land and the country than the nation itself. It's a beautiful song but I don't find it appropriate for a national anthem for our history. It sounds more like a hymn and is gentler.

petegz28
08-26-2011, 07:24 AM
BTW, I'm in great favor of replacing America, the Beautiful as the official anthem of the USA. Not because of war reasons, though, but because it's just a much more meaningful verse about humans sacrificing for ideals, and the country that stands the test of time, error, and injustice because of it.

But, but, but.....America the Beautiful has the word "God" in it!!!!!! :eek:

BucEyedPea
08-26-2011, 07:25 AM
But, but, but.....America the Beautiful has the word "God" in it!!!!!! :eek:

In more than one place too.

Garcia Bronco
08-26-2011, 07:40 AM
I don't really agree with the reasons for the change, but I think America the Beautiful is a much better song, and would be a better anthem, than the stupid Star-Spangled Banner, which is damn hard to remember or sing.

Seriously -- what percentage of Americans could recite the words from beginning to end, despite hearing it a hundred thousand times?

Many people died that night so the British couldn't seize Baltimore. This is the ultimate disrespect to our ancestors who literally died for our freedom in 1814.

FishingRod
08-26-2011, 07:40 AM
My only problem with either, is both melodies were stolen from the British. God Save the Queen/King and some drinking song.

BucEyedPea
08-26-2011, 07:42 AM
My only problem with either, is both melodies were stolen from the British. God Save the Queen/King and some drinking song.

That's because Francis Scott Key wrote it as a poem at first. ( I think it was just on the back of a letter). Music was added years later by others.

SNR
08-27-2011, 11:36 AM
My only problem with either, is both melodies were stolen from the British. God Save the Queen/King and some drinking song.Many kinds of people of different talents emigrated to the colonies in the 18th century. Musicians weren't one of them. All the good jobs working under the patronage system were over in Europe.

Donger
08-27-2011, 11:39 AM
My only problem with either, is both melodies were stolen from the British. God Save the Queen/King and some drinking song.

Indeed.

Dave Lane
08-27-2011, 11:49 AM
I think the singing of the national anthem at games is stupid to begin with. It just started in WW2. It's reminds me too much of some communist country singing a indoctrination mantra.

jspchief
08-27-2011, 12:01 PM
I think the singing of the national anthem at games is stupid to begin with. It just started in WW2. It's reminds me too much of some communist country singing a indoctrination mantra.

National pride = communism?

Does the anthem conflict with pacifist views? Sure I can see that. Bombs and rockets etc. Luckily, normal Americans don't give a shit what Mennonites think anyway.

Donger
08-27-2011, 12:04 PM
I think the singing of the national anthem at games is stupid to begin with. It just started in WW2. It's reminds me too much of some communist country singing a indoctrination mantra.

I don't disagree. It seems like it fits better when a national team is playing against another national team.

Dave Lane
08-27-2011, 12:10 PM
I don't disagree. It seems like it fits better when a national team is playing against another national team.

That I totally agree with. It just seems out of place too me. :shrug:

Discuss Thrower
08-27-2011, 12:33 PM
Bring back Hail Columbia!!!!

Mojo Jojo
08-27-2011, 12:47 PM
Oh say can you see by the dawns early light what so proudly we hailed at the twilights last gleaming whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight over the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming and the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that our flag was still there oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Good job got the question mark right, but it is O're not over.

Pitt Gorilla
08-27-2011, 04:29 PM
Good for them.

BucEyedPea
08-27-2011, 04:39 PM
Bring back Hail Columbia!!!!

I never heard of this one before. I had to look it up. I like the lyrics and it has a nice early Republic feel to it. Now it honors the VP.


"Hail, Columbia" was the unofficial national anthem of the United States until its replacement in 1931 by the officially mandated "Star-Spangled Banner".



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Hail, ye heroes, heav'n-born band,
Who fought and bled in freedom's cause,
Who fought and bled in freedom's cause,
And when the storm of war was gone
Enjoy'd the peace your valor won.
Let independence be our boast,
Ever mindful what it cost;
Ever grateful for the prize,
Let its altar reach the skies.

Chorus
Firm, united let us be,
Rallying round our liberty,
As a band of brothers joined,
Peace and safety we shall find.

Immortal patriots, rise once more,
Defend your rights, defend your shore!
Let no rude foe, with impious hand,
Let no rude foe, with impious hand,
Invade the shrine where sacred lies
Of toil and blood, the well-earned prize,
While off'ring peace, sincere and just,
In Heaven's we place a manly trust,
That truth and justice will prevail,
And every scheme of bondage fail.

Chorus
Firm, united let us be,
Rallying round our liberty,
As a band of brothers joined,
Peace and safety we shall find.

Behold the chief who now commands,
Once more to serve his country stands.
The rock on which the storm will break,
The rock on which the storm will break,
But armed in virtue, firm, and true,
His hopes are fixed on Heav'n and you.
When hope was sinking in dismay,
When glooms obscured Columbia's day,
His steady mind, from changes free,
Resolved on death or liberty.

Chorus
Firm, united let us be,
Rallying round our liberty,
As a band of brothers joined,
Peace and safety we shall find.

Sound, sound the trump of fame,
Let Washington's great name
Ring through the world with loud applause,
Ring through the world with loud applause,
Let ev'ry clime to freedom dear,
Listen with a joyful ear,
With equal skill, with God-like pow'r
He governs in the fearful hour
Of horrid war, or guides with ease
The happier time of honest peace.

Chorus
Firm, united let us be,
Rallying round our liberty,
As a band of brothers joined,
Peace and safety we shall find.

craneref
08-27-2011, 05:57 PM
Goshen College had not played the National Anthem since 1957 and now they have to waste their time to ban it? Why make the move to ban something? Chrisitianity is about choices, and they were practicing tyheir God given right not to not play it, and it seemed to be working out for tehm, but to ban it, to me seems over the top. Their ability to worship they way they see fit was given to them by America. I believe it is their decision to paly it or not, but to ban it, seems to me they wanted some national attention?

stevieray
08-27-2011, 06:21 PM
Goshen College had not played the National Anthem since 1957 and now they have to waste their time to ban it? Why make the move to ban something? Chrisitianity is about choices, and they were practicing tyheir God given right not to not play it, and it seemed to be working out for tehm, but to ban it, to me seems over the top. Their ability to worship they way they see fit was given to them by America. I believe it is their decision to paly it or not, but to ban it, seems to me they wanted some national attention?

if you aren't saying yes, then you are saying no.

Brock
08-27-2011, 06:34 PM
Good job got the question mark right, but it is O're not over.

ORLY

Reaper16
08-27-2011, 06:46 PM
My only problem with either, is both melodies were stolen from the British. God Save the Queen/King and some drinking song.
Yeah, well so was our fucking language.

AustinChief
08-27-2011, 07:00 PM
My only problem with either, is both melodies were stolen from the British. God Save the Queen/King and some drinking song.

America The Beautiful isn't stolen from a British melody.

I say we just go for Lee Greenwood for the mother-effin win!

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BucEyedPea
08-27-2011, 07:10 PM
America The Beautiful isn't stolen from a British melody.


I think that's what he was probably thinking of — "America." The one also known as "My Country T'is of Thee" is also known as just "America."

stevieray
08-28-2011, 10:12 AM
That I totally agree with. It just seems out of place too me. :shrug:

hey dave, honestly, you're over fifty years old and can't use the word too properly in a sentence.

too= also...if you aren't sure in the future, just use that as a guide.

btw, SSB was a hymn before becoming the National Anthem.

Bump
08-28-2011, 11:11 AM
good, people need to stop having pride in this country because anyone who does lives by the "ignorance is bliss" rule. But the reasons they are "banning" the song is stupid.

Pitt Gorilla
08-28-2011, 12:26 PM
hey dave, honestly, you're over fifty years old and can't use the word too properly in a sentence.

too= also...if you aren't sure in the future, just use that as a guide.

btw, SSB was a hymn before becoming the National Anthem.At what point do people learn capitalization rules? I don't find them incredibly important in an online setting, but I imagine they would be for spelling/grammar sticklers.

SNR
08-28-2011, 12:38 PM
By the way, God Save the King/Queen and the Star Spangled Banner sound wonderful played together at the same time. You start in the 13th bar of God Save, then play the tune over again then modulate the harmony in the 2nd half up a whole step (in God Save only).

It's makes what we call a quodlibet.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/The_More_You_Know.jpg

HolyHandgernade
08-28-2011, 12:50 PM
"And crowned thy good with brotherhood,
From sea to shining... CHIEFS!" :D

go bowe
08-28-2011, 01:38 PM
At what point do people learn capitalization rules? I don't find them incredibly important in an online setting, but I imagine they would be for spelling/grammar sticklers.

wait, there are rules for capitalization?

well, shit...

stevieray
08-28-2011, 02:06 PM
wait, there are rules for capitalization?

well, shit...

Weight, their our rules four capitalization?

Well, shit....;)