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The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 06:06 AM
I'm in a fantasy baseball league. I'm the commish.

Anyway, it's a h2h league. I'm 2.5 games up on the 2nd place team. The 2nd place team is 5.5 games up on the 3rd place team. This is the last day of the regular season and the regular season payouts are significant for 1st and 2nd. There's nothing for 3rd.

I'm losing this week 14-6, and the 2nd place team is currently losing 16-3. The 3rd place team is winning 10-7. So that would mean the 2nd place team is likely out of winning money and getting a playoff first round bye.

Everything seems like it's going perfectly for me to win. However, the opponent of the 2nd place team has decided to basically cheat. He has locked up 8 of the 10 pitching categories already by not throwing another arm. The 2nd place manager was unable to add players to catch him because he was out of pickups. So what does the other manager do? He picks up 2 arms to throw today, and puts them in his lineup. This would mean that now the 2nd place team can make up about 5 pitching categories if these 2 starters don't perform well. There's absolutely nothing to gain for the opponent by doing this. He can't move in the standings.

I'm friendly with the owner of the other team, but the 2nd place owner and him are real close. I've sent him texts, emails, posted on his facebook wall about giving me a reason to throw those arms when he didn't need to, and no response.

It's a Yahoo league, so I can't edit his lineup myself for today, it wouldn't take effect until tomorrow.

How would you handle this? It's obvious cheating.

Spott
08-28-2011, 06:15 AM
Kill both of them in their sleep.

the Talking Can
08-28-2011, 06:24 AM
have butt sex with a fat chick

PGM
08-28-2011, 06:32 AM
Post a "rate my team thread" to decide league winner.

Infidel Goat
08-28-2011, 06:58 AM
I understand your logic, but let me play devil's advocate

What pitchers did he pick up and who are they pitching against? Unless he is picking up Kyle Davies type pitchers against the Red Sox, I honestly think you should let it go.

It's not your job to manage other teams. It's possible that the third place team wasn't even aware of everything that you've mentioned and was simply trying to throw out some decent arms not knowing what the other mangers were doing. If I were this manager, I might find your message condescending (even though true).

If I were the second place team, I'd be pissed. Manger your own team. You're winning this league because you are a good manger. That doesn't give you the right to contact other managers and provide strategy. The team in third place was likely making managing errors all season. You shouldn't be able to fix his roster just because it's the last week of the season and it serves your own purposes.

In short, unless you were providing such advice all season long when people made foolish moves I think that you need to let this one go...

threebag02
08-28-2011, 07:13 AM
have butt sex with a fat chick

Fat enough that her ass checks keep you from penetrating the hole?

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 07:16 AM
I understand your logic, but let me play devil's advocate

What pitchers did he pick up and who are they pitching against? Unless he is picking up Kyle Davies type pitchers against the Red Sox, I honestly think you should let it go.

It's not your job to manage other teams. It's possible that the third place team wasn't even aware of everything that you've mentioned and was simply trying to throw out some decent arms not knowing what the other mangers were doing. If I were this manager, I might find your message condescending (even though true).

If I were the second place team, I'd be pissed. Manger your own team. You're winning this league because you are a good manger. That doesn't give you the right to contact other managers and provide strategy. The team in third place was likely making managing errors all season. You shouldn't be able to fix his roster just because it's the last week of the season and it serves your own purposes.

In short, unless you were providing such advice all season long when people made foolish moves I think that you need to let this one go...

He picked up Corey Coleman of the Cubs. Currently has a 2 whip and a 7.5 era. Other starter is Zach Britton, who has been awful.

I could see all these points if he had anything to gain. He doesn't. To go out and pick up a guy with a 7.5 era when you can't gain anything proves the point that he's doing it just to put 750 in the pocket of the 2nd place team. This manager every week is nuts about just throwing hte league minimum. This week, he's way over that. I don't think it's a coincidence.

Plus, if it was on the up and up, why not respond to my texts or my private facebook message?

I'm not trying to tell people how to run their team. But if you are going to have a trade processing time to prevent guys from making ridiculous trades, this falls into the same spectrum.

I also was providing trade advice to both of those teams that asked me.

Hydrae
08-28-2011, 07:34 AM
Has the third place team, the one affected, said anything to you? If not I think I would leave it alone.

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 07:40 AM
Has the third place team, the one affected, said anything to you? If not I think I would leave it alone.

Yes, they initially brought it up.

Because they are basically a half game difference, they thought it was very strange.

The 2nd owner is all in a huff, much like Infidel Goat said he would be. Funny thing is, that owner tries to veto everyone's trades.

I think after this year, I'm done being a commish and will just join public leagues with people I don't know.

Prince22
08-28-2011, 07:41 AM
This is not cheating. Its a strategy. If you have a max add/drop per week and a minimum innings pitched than thats all you can do. We had problems with a guy streaming pitchers so we had to put in a max of 5 add/drops per week. We had the same issue with him benching all his pitchers when he was up in era.whip and k/9... Now, at the time we had no min innings pitch. It is now 25 innings per week.

After you put in those rules(which it seems you have), its all stategy from there on. You may not like it and think its cheap but its a stategy and you should NOT interfere.

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 07:41 AM
The owner is saying he's not even paying attention to fantasy. It's bizarre. If you aren't paying attention this week, why do you even add someone like Coleman? I never heard of him before in my life.

Oh well, it's a dead issue to me now. Whatever happens, happens, but I'm done with this.

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 07:42 AM
This is not cheating. Its a strategy. If you have a max add/drop per week and a minimum innings pitched than thats all you can do. We had problems with a guy streaming pitchers so we had to put in a max of 5 add/drops per week. We had the same issue with him benching all his pitchers when he was up in era.whip and k/9... Now, at the time we had no min innings pitch. It is now 25 innings per week.

After you put in those rules(which it seems you have), its all stategy from there on. You may not like it and think its cheap but its a stategy and you should NOT interfere.

But what if he already hit the innings? I fail to see what strategy he's imploring. Maybe if I could see the logic, I would be more understanding.

Prince22
08-28-2011, 07:43 AM
ok.. I just re-read it. Thats shitty and I'd kick his ass!

Demonpenz
08-28-2011, 07:52 AM
fantasy sports is serious shit

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 08:01 AM
fantasy sports is serious shit

When there's 750 at stake, you're damn right.

Rams Fan
08-28-2011, 08:05 AM
I thought Commish settings allowed you to edit someone's lineup?

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 08:10 AM
I thought Commish settings allowed you to edit someone's lineup?

It does, but only for the following day.

Man, this guy is a fucking asshole. He's saying he's been effected by the hurricane and how dare I question him when he's dealing with a lot.

If you're dealing with a huge issue like that, you aren't adding Corey Coleman and setting a fantasy lineup in the morning.

seeth213
08-28-2011, 08:14 AM
I would definently call them out for cheating

Rams Fan
08-28-2011, 08:14 AM
It does, but only for the following day.

Man, this guy is a ****ing asshole. He's saying he's been effected by the hurricane and how dare I question him when he's dealing with a lot.

If you're dealing with a huge issue like that, you aren't adding Corey Coleman and setting a fantasy lineup in the morning.

I don't get the point of him starting Britton and Coleman, either.

I've sat guys on Sunday so I don't lose, but it's crazy that he would think Britton and Coleman give him the best shot to win.

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 08:14 AM
I don't get the point of him starting Britton and Coleman, either.

I've sat guys on Sunday so I don't lose, but it's crazy that he woul
d think Britton and Coleman give him the best shot to win.

That's what gets me. He can only LOSE. He can't win anymore categories by throwing those guys.

Rams Fan
08-28-2011, 08:17 AM
That's what gets me. He can only LOSE. He can't win anymore categories by throwing those guys.

Threaten him or something.

If he doesn't bench Britton and Coleman, you lock his team...

Mr. Flopnuts
08-28-2011, 08:19 AM
They're fucking you over. I'd take it to a league wide vote.

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 08:19 AM
Threaten him or something.

If he doesn't bench Britton and Coleman, you lock his team...

He's already pulled this pity party in the league that I shouldn't be allowed to manipulate his roster.

He also hasn't paid for the league. He's going to be the 5 seed in the playoffs.

If this turns out to be s disaster today, like I expect, I'm telling him to keep his money and deleting his team so another team gets in.

If anyone is manipulating things, it's him. There's no fucking reason to add those guys, other than to screw people over.

Rams Fan
08-28-2011, 08:21 AM
He's already pulled this pity party in the league that I shouldn't be allowed to manipulate his roster.

He also hasn't paid for the league. He's going to be the 5 seed in the playoffs.

If this turns out to be s disaster today, like I expect, I'm telling him to keep his money and deleting his team so another team gets in.

If anyone is manipulating things, it's him. There's no ****ing reason to add those guys, other than to screw people over.

I don't think you can delete teams during the season. Just lock his team, put his best lineup out there and bench everyone else.

gblowfish
08-28-2011, 08:39 AM
"Obvious Collusion" would be a good band name....

milkman
08-28-2011, 08:41 AM
"Obvious Collusion" would be a good band name....

And you could be their handler.

Predarat
08-28-2011, 08:44 AM
Its a sweep the leg world out there, if you cannot handle that, then don't get in the dojo.

Prince22
08-28-2011, 08:49 AM
I hate being the commish. I've done this for 8 or 9 years. It ef'n sucks. Dealing with douche bags like this gets old. Trying to get money from people, winners pissed because we're waiting on someone who hasnt paid. I cant tell you how much money has come out of my winnings.
I kicked a guy out at the all-star break and changed owners. He owed $100 from last football season and $50 for baseball this season. Long story short he ignored us and pulled a no show when i was to meet up with him. Yesterday I get a facebook message from this meathead saying he wants to kick my ass. I'm 28. Who the hell fights over fantasy sports?

Brainiac
08-28-2011, 09:26 AM
Your first mistake was letting guys play on credit. I can't speak for everybody, but whenever I've been commissioner I always required everyone to pay their league fees on draft night. No pay, no play, because it can be damn near impossible sometimes to collect from the guys who lose interest during the season.

This is obvious collusion. I'd definitely put it up to the entire league for a vote. The problem is that your hands are tied because the cheaters haven't paid yet. I'd propose to the league that you kick both guys out and adjust the payouts accordingly.

Pestilence
08-28-2011, 10:01 AM
He's already pulled this pity party in the league that I shouldn't be allowed to manipulate his roster.

He also hasn't paid for the league. He's going to be the 5 seed in the playoffs.

If this turns out to be s disaster today, like I expect, I'm telling him to keep his money and deleting his team so another team gets in.

If anyone is manipulating things, it's him. There's no fucking reason to add those guys, other than to screw people over.

He hasnt paid yet? Lock his team and start the best players.

Short Leash Hootie
08-28-2011, 10:08 AM
I don't get the point of him starting Britton and Coleman, either.

I've sat guys on Sunday so I don't lose, but it's crazy that he would think Britton and Coleman give him the best shot to win.

you should see the splits on Sunday afternoon starters (coming off of night Saturday games) since the whole steroid thing...

it's hilarious

the players need their "greenies" back...lets just put it that way

PGM
08-28-2011, 10:12 AM
Yeah, that is definately a lowball scum move. Hopefully it blows up in thier faces.

The Bad Guy
08-28-2011, 10:22 AM
The 2nd place guy has sent out an email saying he wants the players benched and the guy STILL won't bench them.

Rams Fan
08-28-2011, 10:39 AM
The 2nd place guy has sent out an email saying he wants the players benched and the guy STILL won't bench them.

Yeah, I think it's time for you to lock the guy's team that is facing the team in 2nd.

Infidel Goat
08-28-2011, 10:50 AM
He picked up Corey Coleman of the Cubs. Currently has a 2 whip and a 7.5 era. Other starter is Zach Britton, who has been awful.


If I were in the league, and it was put up to a vote then I would definitely vote against allowing these pitchers to start.

He's picked up the worst two pitchers who are facing good teams (Brewers/Yankees).

In short, I now agree with you.

Let's hope that the Yankees and Brewers rest some of their regulars. The Yankees (double header) are likely to do so. Good luck regardless

chief52
08-28-2011, 10:56 AM
The 2nd place guy has sent out an email saying he wants the players benched and the guy STILL won't bench them.

Well, that pretty well says it all. Consider them benched even if you have to go in tomorrow to do it. Only fair thing for your league and this is for $$$.

BossChief
08-28-2011, 11:11 AM
Is it common practice to let people into a money league without paying up front.

Seems foolish as hell to me.

kstater
08-28-2011, 11:15 AM
I'd probably bitch on an internet forum about it.

Bump
08-28-2011, 11:16 AM
maybe he thinks your a whiny biotch and wants to drop you down to 2nd place. If that's the case, I applaud him.

Short Leash Hootie
08-28-2011, 12:37 PM
it's funny that TBG always seems to run into this shit with people he presumably knows

I run leagues for FFL every year with the same 12 guys and we never have issues (other than finding a day we can all meet for a live draft)

Infidel Goat
08-28-2011, 01:49 PM
Britton's line:

7 IP, 0 ER, 4 H, 5 K, and 1 W. He's in line for the win if Baltimore can close it out.

Coleman wasn't as good.

7 IP, 3 ER, 6 H, 6 K, and 3 W. Not great, but when averaged with Britton it won't make a difference. Even the WHIP is 1.0 for the day...

Bump
08-28-2011, 01:53 PM
it's a dick move, but it sounds perfectly legal to me. Deal with it.