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HonestChieffan
08-28-2011, 10:42 AM
Hope this blows up like a dollar watch.


WAUSAU (WAOW) — Labor Day parade organizers confirm that no Republicans will be allowed to participate in this year’s Labor Day Parade.

Council president Randy Radtke says they choose not to invite elected officials who have “openly attacked worker’s rights” or did nothing when state public workers lost most of their right to collectively bargain.

The parade is sponsored by the Marathon County Labor Council. A Wausau city spokeswoman said the city does not contribute any money to the parade.

Rep. Sean Duffy’s chief of staff, Brandon Moody, released a statement to Newsline 9:

“Having walked in this parade in past years, Congressman Duffy was hoping that for a moment, we could set our differences aside and simply have some fun in a family-friendly event.”

Dave Lane
08-28-2011, 11:06 AM
Stupid. Like even the largest republican does hire laborers.

alnorth
08-28-2011, 11:16 AM
eh, I'd be more outraged if Labor Day wasn't basically a quasi-political left-wing celebration of labor unions.

I know it isn't seen that way in this country (outside of Wausau, WI) where we've basically just taken it as a random "oh cool, I get the day off" and the roots of the holiday are no longer widely observed. (but that is itself basically a reaffirmation of how useless the holiday is)

I'm not opposed to having X days of holidays per year, whatever X is for you, but we ought to get rid of labor day and observe something more meaningful, say in the first few months of the year where there is a long drought of holidays. We have plenty of holidays this time of the year.

ROYC75
08-28-2011, 11:18 AM
Sounds like somebody is butt hurt?

Brock
08-28-2011, 11:22 AM
We have plenty of holidays this time of the year.

No, we really don't.

mlyonsd
08-28-2011, 11:23 AM
eh, I'd be more outraged if Labor Day wasn't basically a quasi-political left-wing celebration of labor unions.

I know it isn't seen that way in this country (outside of Wausau, WI) where we've basically just taken it as a random "oh cool, I get the day off" and the roots of the holiday are no longer widely observed. (but that is itself basically a reaffirmation of how useless the holiday is)

I'm not opposed to having X days of holidays per year, whatever X is for you, but we ought to get rid of labor day and observe something more meaningful, say in the first few months of the year where there is a long drought of holidays. We have plenty of holidays this time of the year.

One option is to get rid of labor day and start celebrating Rick Stanzi's birthday, September 3rd. That doesn't spread out the holidays any better but as we can tell so far in preseason it is a date that should be observed at the highest level.

go bowe
08-28-2011, 11:32 AM
One option is to get rid of labor day and start celebrating Rick Stanzi's birthday, September 3rd. That doesn't spread out the holidays any better but as we can tell so far in preseason it is a date that should be observed at the highest level.

too true, too true my man...

alnorth
08-28-2011, 11:41 AM
No, we really don't.

I'm not opposed to more vacation time, the USA is incredibly backward with far fewer vacation than our peers. We like to make fun other other countries that give 6 weeks off, but many people who have studied the issue say that after taking a real long 2 week or a full month vacation they come back fired up and ready to work, while we are more burned out and tend to fart around at work more. So, don't get me wrong on that.

But on national holidays, most of them are crammed into the last half of the year. We need to shift a holiday out of the 2nd half, and into maybe February or March.

blaise
08-28-2011, 11:44 AM
Who likes parades anyway? They're the worst.

patteeu
08-28-2011, 12:02 PM
Independence Day is more of a Republican holiday anyway. Let the commies have Labor Day.

Mr. Kotter
08-28-2011, 12:04 PM
You reap what you sow. If Republicans get butt hurt about this, they ought to consider that their actions have consequences. Period.

blaise
08-28-2011, 12:06 PM
You reap what you sow. If Republicans get butt hurt about this, they ought to consider that their actions have consequences. Period.

Yeah, next time they want to make a major decision maybe they'll consider parade invitations. They might reconsider, then.

Mr. Kotter
08-28-2011, 12:09 PM
Yeah, next time they want to make a major decision maybe they'll consider parade invitations. They might reconsider, then.

Fine. No one should be whining about their butt hurt then, eh? Right, disHonestChieffan? :shrug:

BigChiefFan
08-28-2011, 12:10 PM
The thread title hardly matches the actual circumstance.

SNR
08-28-2011, 12:11 PM
"Jude, quit being a selfish bitch! Be nice to your brother! I'm sorry, Timmy. Of course you can come play with Jude and her friends at the pool."

"No thanks, mommy. That sounds gay."

blaise
08-28-2011, 12:12 PM
Fine. No one should be whining about their butt hurt then, eh? Right, disHonestChieffan? :shrug:

So, don't be butt hurt about the butt hurt parade organizers.

SNR
08-28-2011, 12:15 PM
What's this place's obsession with the word "butthurt"?

RJ
08-28-2011, 12:34 PM
One option is to get rid of labor day and start celebrating Rick Stanzi's birthday, September 3rd. That doesn't spread out the holidays any better but as we can tell so far in preseason it is a date that should be observed at the highest level.


There should be no Republicans in the Ricky Stanzi Day parade!

orange
08-28-2011, 12:48 PM
One option is to get rid of labor day and start celebrating Rick Stanzi's birthday, September 3rd. That doesn't spread out the holidays any better but as we can tell so far in preseason it is a date that should be observed at the highest level.

There should be no Republicans in the Ricky Stanzi Day parade!

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Rome/images/titus/1537_pippi_triumph.jpg

Imperialists only!

Stewie
08-28-2011, 01:05 PM
Are they going to make an exception this year and have the parade out of state?

Saul Good
08-28-2011, 01:10 PM
Fine. No one should be whining about their butt hurt then, eh? Right, disHonestChieffan? :shrug:

I don't see anyone whining. The Democrats are being a bunch of petulant children again, but that's nothing new.

ROYC75
08-28-2011, 03:37 PM
You reap what you sow. If Republicans get butt hurt about this, they ought to consider that their actions have consequences. Period.

ROFL

Yep, the Democratic party will reap what they sow acting this way.

Whiny bunch, just as our dear leader is.

ROYC75
08-28-2011, 03:39 PM
Are they going to make an exception this year and have the parade out of state?

ROFL

HonestChieffan
08-28-2011, 04:02 PM
Butt hurt? Kotter...you fool. The R's will turn this on the moron labor/Union dickheads so fast it would make your head spin.

Well, maybe not your head.

chris
08-28-2011, 06:39 PM
Are they going to make an exception this year and have the parade out of state?

ROFL! Rep!

It's fun here in WI listening to the Dem cry and wine about how they have been screwed. Yet school board after school board is running in the black under the new rules.

NaptownChief
08-28-2011, 06:47 PM
Last I checked a higher percentage of Republican voters work than Dem voters....so maybe the Dems should step aside on labor day. Now if they ever have a "On The Government Check Day" then I think it would be plenty fair for the GOP to be removed.

Saul Good
08-30-2011, 05:27 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/30/us-labor-day-wisconsin-idUSTRE77T64220110830

The mayor is going to make the labor unions foot the bill for the parade if they insist on making it a political event. Good for him.

orange
08-30-2011, 06:45 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/30/us-labor-day-wisconsin-idUSTRE77T64220110830

The mayor is going to make the labor unions foot the bill for the parade if they insist on making it a political event. Good for him.

Here's a guess:

Labor Council to Mayor: "Since this is going to be a purely private parade, we'll hire our own security and put up our own stage, thank you very much - (but it won't be your cousin's company that gets the job, count on that). Also, there will be no City floats - no Mayor's float, no City Council float, et al. Unless you pay, of course. Here's our rate card."

NaptownChief
08-30-2011, 06:49 PM
Here's a guess:

Labor Council to Mayor: "Since this is going to be a purely private parade, we'll hire our own security and put up our own stage, thank you very much - (but it won't be your cousin's company that gets the job, count on that). Also, there will be no City floats - no Mayor's float, no City Council float, et al. Unless you pay, of course. Here's our rate card."


Mayor should counter with: "Ok, the streets will remain open to traffic...Have a nice day"

listopencil
08-30-2011, 07:05 PM
We like to make fun other other countries that give 6 weeks off...


I get six and a half weeks off every year.

orange
08-30-2011, 07:07 PM
Mayor should counter with: "Ok, the streets will remain open to traffic...Have a nice day"

Except .... I BET they have a parade license and all that.

Have a nice day.

Taco John
08-30-2011, 07:39 PM
eh, I'd be more outraged if Labor Day wasn't basically a quasi-political left-wing celebration of labor unions.


It's a celebration of cleaning out my garage over here in Washington.

BucEyedPea
08-31-2011, 11:46 AM
eh, I'd be more outraged if Labor Day wasn't basically a quasi-political left-wing celebration of labor unions.


We should just move it up to May 1.

BucEyedPea
08-31-2011, 11:49 AM
Mayor should counter with: "Ok, the streets will remain open to traffic...Have a nice day"

ROFL That's great. Go play in traffic kiddies. Since they're acting like 8 year olds.

evenfall
08-31-2011, 12:22 PM
I am fine with parade organizers excluding whomever they wish, so long as it is in fact their parade, and so long as the pendulum swings in both directions.

I wasn't aware that Labor Day was even a celebration of Labor unions. Maybe we need to find a reason that is more inclusive and positive and less politically motivated, like celebrating the efforts of the other 95% who aren't in unions and keep this country running without the Cadillac benefit plans.

BucEyedPea
08-31-2011, 12:38 PM
I wasn't aware that Labor Day was even a celebration of Labor unions.

It was originally due to trade unions but the President Cleveland selected this date over the more widespread International Workers' Day because he was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to commemorate.

The Haymarket affair is generally considered significant for the origin of international May Day observances for workers. Labor Day has roots as a socialist/communist holiday. I'll still take the day off though. Afterall, atheists get Christmas off.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day

LOCOChief
08-31-2011, 01:17 PM
This doesn't bother me one bit -fuck labor day. I'll go fishing anyway and like someone else said Indepedence day is OUR day and LIBS are NOT invited to participate.

evenfall
08-31-2011, 01:40 PM
It was originally due to trade unions but the President Cleveland selected this date over the more widespread International Workers' Day because he was concerned that observance of the latter would stir up negative emotions linked to the Haymarket Affair, which it had been observed to commemorate.

The Haymarket affair is generally considered significant for the origin of international May Day observances for workers. Labor Day has roots as a socialist/communist holiday. I'll still take the day off though. Afterall, atheists get Christmas off.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day

I know how to use Wikipedia, but thanks, Professor.

BucEyedPea
08-31-2011, 02:26 PM
I know how to use Wikipedia, but thanks, Professor.

You got that out of my posting links to just footnote those words—the proper thing to do. Wow!

BucEyedPea
08-31-2011, 02:27 PM
This doesn't bother me one bit -**** labor day. I'll go fishing anyway and like someone else said Indepedence day is OUR day and LIBS are NOT invited to participate.

Sounds good to me but classical liberals can come too right? I hope so. :D

Iowanian
08-31-2011, 02:53 PM
That's odd.....I assumed Wisconsin democrats were holding their parade in Dubuque, IA this year.

mikey23545
08-31-2011, 03:39 PM
That's odd.....I assumed Wisconsin democrats were holding their parade in Dubuque, IA this year.

They couldn't afford to hold it in Moscow.

Frankie
08-31-2011, 04:02 PM
Republicans cannot celebrate Labor Day in Wisconsin

And?

Saul Good
08-31-2011, 04:34 PM
Here's a guess:

Labor Council to Mayor: "Since this is going to be a purely private parade, we'll hire our own security and put up our own stage, thank you very much - (but it won't be your cousin's company that gets the job, count on that). Also, there will be no City floats - no Mayor's float, no City Council float, et al. Unless you pay, of course. Here's our rate card."

Here's reality (spoiler alert, your guess was wrong):

http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2274627&spid=

orange
08-31-2011, 05:35 PM
Here's reality (spoiler alert, your guess was wrong):

http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2274627&spid=

WSAW-TV says Radtke released a statement Wednesday which said the Labor Council didn't want community groups and school bands affected.

I never figured the mayor would use school bands and community groups as hostages. I was wrong.

mlyonsd
08-31-2011, 05:35 PM
Here's reality (spoiler alert, your guess was wrong):

http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2274627&spid=Crisis averted. Whew, I was sweating it.

Baby Lee
08-31-2011, 05:57 PM
WSAW-TV says Radtke released a statement Wednesday which said the Labor Council didn't want community groups and school bands affected.

I never figured the mayor would use school bands and community groups as hostages. I was wrong.

Is there no end to the partisan hackery? The Unions wanted community funds to host an exclusionary activity.

And you seek to shame the city for demanding inclusiveness?

orange
08-31-2011, 06:03 PM
And you seek to shame the city for demanding inclusiveness?

Tipple (the mayor) said Tuesday that if the Labor Council failed to reverse its decision, the parade would likely be the target of a boycott and, if someone wished, a parade inclusive of Republicans could be thrown.

That's AFTER the Labor Council went ahead and paid, I assume, since it wouldn't go off otherwise. Partisan hackery at its finest.

And you seek to shame the city for demanding inclusiveness?

I assume you'll be applauding the next city Government that demands gay and atheist floats in the Easter Parade. In the name of "inclusiveness" of course. And of course, military funerals should have to allow protesters on the grounds. Yep, I see where you're coming from.

Radar Chief
08-31-2011, 06:05 PM
Tipple (the mayor) said Tuesday that if the Labor Council failed to reverse its decision, the parade would likely be the target of a boycott and, if someone wished, a parade inclusive of Republicans could be thrown.

That's AFTER the Labor Council went ahead and paid, I assume, since it wouldn't go off otherwise. Partisan hackery at its finest.

ROFL Ironic considering the topic.

orange
08-31-2011, 06:08 PM
ROFL Ironic considering the topic.

Just out of curiosity, what is the topic?

I'll give you a hint - the thread title is a lie. But then, you knew that when you saw who posted it.

Radar Chief
08-31-2011, 06:16 PM
Just out of curiosity, what is the topic?

I'll give you a hint - the thread title is a lie. But then, you knew that when you saw who posted it.

How so, exactly? Did the Labor Day Parade organizers not attempt to exclude Republican politicians?

orange
08-31-2011, 06:21 PM
Labor Day parade organizers not inviting Republican politicians == "Republicans cannot celebrate Labor Day in Wisconsin"

In what language?

Radar Chief
08-31-2011, 06:22 PM
Labor Day parade organizers purposely excluding Republican politicians == "Republicans cannot celebrate Labor Day in Wisconsin"

In what language?

Agreed, but that doesn't change a word of what I posted now does it?

orange
08-31-2011, 06:27 PM
Agreed, but that doesn't change a word of what I posted now does it?

What you posted:

ROFL Ironic considering the topic.

Do other parades have the city tell them who to invite? I see no irony, I see the mayor asserting a standard that I doubt applies to any other parade. I guess we'll see come Easter, won't we?

Radar Chief
08-31-2011, 06:32 PM
What you posted:



Do other parades have the city tell them who to invite? I see no irony, I see the mayor asserting a standard that I doubt applies to any other parade. I guess we'll see come Easter, won't we?

Do other national holiday parade organizers attempt to exclude people based on the letter next to their name? That is "partisan hackery at its finest" and hence the "irony", since you apparently wouldn't figure it out on your own.

Baby Lee
08-31-2011, 06:38 PM
Tipple (the mayor) said Tuesday that if the Labor Council failed to reverse its decision, the parade would likely be the target of a boycott and, if someone wished, a parade inclusive of Republicans could be thrown.

That's AFTER the Labor Council went ahead and paid, I assume, since it wouldn't go off otherwise. Partisan hackery at its finest.



I assume you'll be applauding the next city Government that demands gay and atheist floats in the Easter Parade. In the name of "inclusiveness" of course. And of course, military funerals should have to allow protesters on the grounds. Yep, I see where you're coming from.

This fails in so many directions I am beginning to something purposeful afoot.

1. The mayor wasn't spearingheading any boycott or alternative parades, merely musing after the matter had resolved itself what some of the repercussions might have been from the community had the resolution not occurred.

2. The Labor Council didn't pay for shit. At issue was whether or not the city would demand recompense for its own $$ outlays if the Council insisted on exclusion.

3. The Easter parades I know of are in NY and NO, and are fairly unorganized and outside of a heads up to the police, not countenancing the $$ outlays for insurance and grandstands that this one does. NY is little more than a group of people in fancy hats wandering the streats. NO is just one more in an endless string of folks finding a reason to dress up, get drunk and throw beads.

4. Oh, and both are fully gayed up and have been for a while. Don't know what atheist participation is.

5. Military funerals are benefits provided for service, not civic occasions. As such they remain private affairs for family and invited guests. Suggesting that since the government is involved it's a public spectacle is as dunderheaded as suggesting that I have a civic right to go to Walter Reed and sit in on the physician consultation or medical procedure of my choosing.

6. The two instances of parades I do recall excluding others, NY's St. Patrick's day, and the Klan parades in the 70s. In the case of the Klan parade, they had to go to the SC to demonstrate at all, and when they did they footed all expenses. In the case of the St. Patty's, they also fully fund themselves as a private parade, and they still receive annual pressure to include gays.

orange
08-31-2011, 07:09 PM
five wrong points

1. The mayor wasn't spearingheading any boycott or alternative parades, merely musing after the matter had resolved itself what some of the repercussions might have been from the community had the resolution not occurred.

Yes, he was spearheading them. And before it was resolved. Apparently you can't infer any better than you can read:

"Tipple said Tuesday..."
"WSAW-TV says Radtke released a statement Wednesday..."

2. The Labor Council didn't pay for shit. At issue was whether or not the city would demand recompense for its own $$ outlays if the Council insisted on exclusion.

Your ignorance here is exceeded by your willing suspension of common sense. The Labor Council sponsors the parade. That costs money and time; there is a lot more to it than what the city does. And the city doesn't reimburse them. And anyone with a single active brain cell wouldn't have embarrassed himself suggesting the parade was somehow free. As for the compensation for city services, when that policy was announced the Labor Council said the parade would go on. Maybe they couldn't scratch up the money, but there's no indication of that anywhere that I've seen. Certainly not in that WLSAM article.


3. The Easter parades I know of are in NY and NO, and are fairly unorganized and outside of a heads up to the police, not countenancing the $$ outlays for insurance and grandstands that this one does. NY is little more than a group of people in fancy hats wandering the streats. NO is just one more in an endless string of folks finding a reason to dress up, get drunk and throw beads.

If you don't know anything about it, you should not conjecture. Easter parades are Christian celebrations all over America. And like other non-government groups (perhaps even including Labor Councils), the church alliances that put them on get a license/permit and invite whomever they want to parade (unlike Labor Councils anymore, apparently).


4. Oh, and both are fully gayed up and have been for a while. Don't know what atheist participation is.

Gays and Atheists don't get invited to Easter Parades. And I think you know that. More willing suspension of common sense?
[edit] I'll come down a bit and accept that some liberal churches in bastions like NYC may well bring out the gay for Easter.


5. Military funerals are benefits provided for service, not civic occasions. As such they remain private affairs for family and invited guests. Suggesting that since the government is involved it's a public spectacle is as dunderheaded as suggesting that I have a civic right to go to Walter Reed and sit in on the physician consultation or medical procedure of my choosing.

Military funerals are government/private partnerships - just like parades sponsored by private organizations (like Labor Councils). While the parade may be more civic and the funeral more private, the hand of government forcing invitations - for "inclusiveness" - is no less heavy.


p.s Colorado has observed Columbus Day since 1907 and is credited with being first to make the day a state holiday. Columbus Day has since become a federal holiday.

SaBell said some 200 people are expected to participate in this year's parade, with thousands more likely to watch. He said the group spends up to $10,000 putting on the event each year, a tab underwritten in part by bocce tournaments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/denver-columbus-day-parad_0_n_315189.html

That's a parade for a Federal holiday put on by a private organization. A "civic occasion," if you will.

stevieray
08-31-2011, 07:11 PM
..poor orange.

Jenson71
08-31-2011, 07:14 PM
I get six and a half weeks off every year.

Nice. What's your job, and how can I get it?

orange
08-31-2011, 07:23 PM
6. The two instances of parades I do recall excluding others, NY's St. Patrick's day, and the Klan parades in the 70s. In the case of the Klan parade, they had to go to the SC to demonstrate at all, and when they did they footed all expenses. In the case of the St. Patty's, they also fully fund themselves as a private parade, and they still receive annual pressure to include gays.

And has the mayor of NYC forced them to include those gays?

Baby Lee
08-31-2011, 07:35 PM
And has the mayor of NYC forced them to include those gays?

I see you have a misunderstanding of what I'm referring to regarding 'funding.' Paying for the materials inherent in the parade, ticker tape, trophies, etc, are a given. I'm talking about the portion the city foots. The police presence, insurance, etc. The part that was at issue in WI. The Hibernians are able to exclude because they run a private parade, renting security, paying the city like a movie would for exclusive use of streets, self-insured, etc. Again just like would be the case if the WI Labor Council carried out an exclusionary parade.

HonestChieffan
08-31-2011, 09:26 PM
..poor orange.

Self inflicted.

See Lounge thread: Self decapitation.

Orange tied his cable from his neck to Obama.

orange
08-31-2011, 09:40 PM
The Hibernians are able to exclude because they run a private parade, renting security, paying the city like a movie would for exclusive use of streets, self-insured, etc.

Really? Is that so?

Then I guess this 2010 AP article is mistaken:

The 249th St. Patrick's Day extravaganza will be the last of New York City's world-famous parades to take place before restrictions go into effect April 1 requiring all parades to be shorter to save money.

John Rupy, of Harpers Ferry, W.Va., considered this news along the parade route, where he arrived dressed in a kilt with his skin painted green.

"That's not good," he said, "because the whole world comes to this."

The city issued the new parade rules in February. All parades must cut routes by 25 percent and reduce time to less than five hours, changes estimated to save $3.1 million in police expenses.

Am I reading that correctly? The CITY pays MORE than $3.1 million for parades including St. Patrick's.

make that six wrong points

Oh, and by the way:

Representatives of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender groups were not allowed to participate in the march — at least, not under their own banner.

Members of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, who run the nation's biggest St. Patrick's Day celebration, say they may invite whomever they please.*

Bloomberg favors inclusion, but still planned to participate.

* Obviously they can do this because they're not a Labor Council.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/nyc_parades_on_st_patricks_day.html