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HonestChieffan
08-30-2011, 09:32 PM
This last week Al raised GW to the level of racism. Well, Sebelius did to related to Obama care, but we digress.


http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=583272&p=1

Watching A Green Fiction Unravel


Science: Experiments performed by a European nuclear research group indicate that the sun, not man, determines Earth's temperature. Somewhere, Al Gore just shuddered as an unseasonably cool breeze blows by.

The results from an experiment to mimic Earth's atmosphere by CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, tell researchers that the sun has a significant effect on our planet's temperature. Its magnetic field acts as a gateway for cosmic rays, which play a large role in cloud formation.

Consequently, when the sun's magnetic field allows cosmic rays to seed cloud cover, temperatures are cooler. When it restricts cloud formation by deflecting cosmic rays away from Earth, temperatures go up.

Or, as the London Telegraph's James Delingpole delicately put it:

"It's the sun, stupid."

This new finding of 63 scientists from 17 European and U.S. institutes from an experiment that's been ongoing since 2009 is, if we may paraphrase Vice President Joe Biden, a big deal. Which is exactly why the mainstream media, with so much invested in global warming hysteria, is letting last week's announcement from CERN pass like a brief summer shower, ignoring it.

Even CERN's own director general, Rolf-Dieter Heuer, is trying to avoid the meaning of the findings.

He told Germany's Die Welt Online that he's "asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them. That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate."

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But, as British science writer Nigel Calder points out, Heuer would have no reservations about entering "'the highly political arena of the climate change debate' provided" his results endorsed man-made warming.

How long the Al Gores, James Hansens, Rolf-Dieter Heuers and other defenders of the indefensible can hang on to their fable isn't altogether clear.

With the help of an eager media, they have spun a nearly believable tale of fright and insulated themselves well from the skeptics.

But their days are few. Truth keeps getting in the way of their indoctrination effort.

And it's not just the CERN research creating a problem for them. They also need to explain why sea levels, like presidential approval numbers and consumer confidence, have fallen. According to NASA, the oceans are down a quarter of an inch this year compared to 2010.

Under the rules of climate change, sea levels, due to melting ice and water that expands as it warms, should be increasing in a way that we're all supposed to believe is a threat. But NASA scientists say that El Nino and La Nina, weather cycles in the Pacific Ocean, have caused sea levels to fall.

orange
08-30-2011, 10:47 PM
And why would Al Gore be displeased about this? The study doesn't say anything like what you seem to think it says. It says that cosmic rays play a role in creating clouds - it doesn't say anything about an increase in cosmic rays, nor how such an increase in clouds would have anything to do with global warming.*

CERN’s CLOUD experiment provides unprecedented insight into cloud formation

Geneva, 25 August 2011.

In a paper published in the journal Nature today, the CLOUD1 experiment at CERN2 has reported its first results. The CLOUD experiment has been designed to study the effect of cosmic rays on the formation of atmospheric aerosols - tiny liquid or solid particles suspended in the atmosphere - under controlled laboratory conditions. Atmospheric aerosols are thought to be responsible for a large fraction of the seeds that form cloud droplets. Understanding the process of aerosol formation is therefore important for understanding the climate.

The CLOUD results show that trace vapours assumed until now to account for aerosol formation in the lower atmosphere can explain only a tiny fraction of the observed atmospheric aerosol production. The results also show that ionisation from cosmic rays significantly enhances aerosol formation. Precise measurements such as these are important in achieving a quantitative understanding of cloud formation, and will contribute to a better assessment of the effects of clouds in climate models.

“These new results from CLOUD are important because we’ve made a number of first observations of some very important atmospheric processes,” said the experiment’s spokesperson, Jasper Kirkby. “We’ve found that cosmic rays significantly enhance the formation of aerosol particles in the mid troposphere and above. These aerosols can eventually grow into the seeds for clouds. However, we’ve found that the vapours previously thought to account for all aerosol formation in the lower atmosphere can only account for a small fraction of the observations - even with the enhancement of cosmic rays."

Atmospheric aerosols play an important role in the climate. Aerosols reflect sunlight and produce cloud droplets. Additional aerosols would therefore brighten clouds and extend their lifetime. By current estimates, about half of all cloud droplets begin with the clustering of molecules that are present in the atmosphere only in minute amounts. Some of these embryonic clusters eventually grow large enough to become the seeds for cloud droplets. Trace sulphuric acid and ammonia vapours are thought to be important, and are used in all atmospheric models, but the mechanism and rate by which they form clusters together with water molecules have remained poorly understood until now.

The CLOUD results show that a few kilometres up in the atmosphere sulphuric acid and water vapour can rapidly form clusters, and that cosmic rays enhance the formation rate by up to ten-fold or more. However, in the lowest layer of the atmosphere, within about a kilometre of Earth's surface, the CLOUD results show that additional vapours such as ammonia are required. Crucially, however, the CLOUD results show that sulphuric acid, water and ammonia alone – even with the enhancement of cosmic rays - are not sufficient to explain atmospheric observations of aerosol formation. Additional vapours must therefore be involved, and finding out their identity will be the next step for CLOUD.

“It was a big surprise to find that aerosol formation in the lower atmosphere isn’t due to sulphuric acid, water and ammonia alone,” said Kirkby. “Now it’s vitally important to discover which additional vapours are involved, whether they are largely natural or of human origin, and how they influence clouds. This will be our next job.”

The CLOUD experiment consists of a state-of-the-art chamber in which atmospheric conditions can be simulated with high control and precision, including the concentrations of trace vapours that drive aerosol formation. A beam of particles from CERN’s Proton Synchrotron accelerator provides an artificial and adjustable source of cosmic radiation.

http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/PR15.11E.html

If anybody should be displeased about this, it should be Dr. Kirkby.

Kirkby today: "“It was a big surprise to find that aerosol formation in the lower atmosphere isn’t due to sulphuric acid, water and ammonia alone,” said Kirkby. “Now it’s vitally important to discover which additional vapours are involved, whether they are largely natural or of human origin, and how they influence clouds. This will be our next job.”" - ibid

Kirkby then: "When Dr Kirkby first described the theory in 1998, he suggested cosmic rays "will probably be able to account for somewhere between a half and the whole of the increase in the Earth's temperature that we have seen in the last century."" - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/cern_cloud_cosmic_ray_first_results/

But go ahead and pretend again that this is some kind of refutation of thousands of scientific studies because they'll have to revise their models slightly when the only thing it has really refuted is what they set out to prove. Maybe someone who's not already firmly in the denier camp will listen.


* I see where the mechanism for the global warming impact has been hypothesized earlier by Svensmark et al. Still, this study came up far short of the desired results and leaves the inconvenient "additional vapors" unaccounted for.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-30-2011, 10:52 PM
Sun affects Weather, Sun does not affect Climate. therefore Climate is Affected by those icky pooh humans!

2bikemike
08-30-2011, 11:21 PM
I read something somewhere that was a bit of a parody congratulating all those folks who buy into the whole GW and all their efforts to offset carbon emissions. He then went on to say how the Volcanic eruption in Iceland just wiped out all your efforts.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-30-2011, 11:28 PM
I read something somewhere that was a bit of a parody congratulating all those folks who buy into the whole GW and all their efforts to offset carbon emissions. He then went on to say how the Volcanic eruption in Iceland just wiped out all your efforts.

LMAO

You know were a scourge on the planet, if we could somehow pay more in taxes the planet would feel better though.

HonestChieffan
08-31-2011, 06:53 AM
From the OP..."He told Germany's Die Welt Online that he's "asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them. That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate."

Orange responds with a fine interpretation that avoids the conclusion the sun makes things warm and clods seem to slow that process.

Sweet.

KILLER_CLOWN
08-31-2011, 07:07 AM
From the OP..."He told Germany's Die Welt Online that he's "asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them. That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate."

Orange responds with a fine interpretation that avoids the conclusion the sun makes things warm and clods seem to slow that process.

Sweet.

Silence! If we say the sun doesn't drive climate then it is so. /ministry of truth

Baby Lee
08-31-2011, 12:02 PM
Even CERN's own director general, Rolf-Dieter Heuer, is trying to avoid the meaning of the findings.

He told Germany's Die Welt Online that he's "asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them. That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate."

Whaa? Science presents us with facts. Facts that you either accept as a rational person or reject as a religious nutjob.