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KILLER_CLOWN
09-02-2011, 12:49 AM
(Reuters) - A California bill dubbed the state's "Dream Act" that would allow illegal immigrants to receive public funds for college education was approved on Wednesday by the state Senate.

The legislation would still need to pass the Assembly and be signed by Governor Jerry Brown, a Democrat, to become law.

Proponents acknowledge that illegal immigrants who attend college are still not able to find legal employment after graduation, but they say the bill could eventually help spur the federal government to grant those students citizenship.

"The Senate made history today by voting to pass ... the final portion of the California Dream Act," Assembly member Gil Cedillo, a Democrat from Los Angeles and the author of the bill, said in a statement.

Cedillo said that, if the bill is approved, it would "increase the earning potential of these students, which helps all of us by contributing to our tax base."

Brown in July fulfilled a campaign promise by signing into law a related bill to allow illegal immigrants to receive privately funded college scholarships, but not public funds.

The latest bill would go into effect in 2013 and could cost the California budget about $40 million a year, but not all of that would go to immigrants because some legal residents from other states could qualify for the funds as well, according to an analysis prepared for a state Senate committee.

Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, said the bill would hurt California.

"The state is slashing budgets, they're cutting admissions, they're cutting programs, and here they are using scarce resources to help illegal aliens, when so many other people are feeling the brunt of these budget cuts," Mehlman said.

The bill passed the Democratic-controlled state Senate on Wednesday by a vote of 22-11, said Conrado Terrazas, spokesman for Cedillo's office.

The Assembly is expected to vote this week on the bill.

California is one of about a dozen states that allows illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition, based on attendance and graduation from a state high school. Only a handful of states also allow for financial aid for those students.

A federal Dream Act that would have created a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants who attend college or serve in the military failed in the U.S. Senate last year.

(Editing by Cynthia Johnston)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/01/us-dream-act-california-idUSTRE7800OW20110901

CoMoChief
09-02-2011, 08:29 AM
whoever is for this bill needs to be taken out back to the woodshed and beaten severely.

Jaric
09-02-2011, 08:30 AM
This is from The Onion right?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-02-2011, 08:31 AM
This is from The Onion right?

Anymore it's hard to tell Reuters from the Onion.

FishingRod
09-02-2011, 08:48 AM
How about instead of paying for them… we give them a chance to apply for a visa so they can visit legally and let them pay to go to school like the rest of us do. If we have money to spend on college students let’s give it to our citizens first.

evenfall
09-02-2011, 08:57 AM
How about instead of paying for them… we give them a chance to apply for a visa so they can visit legally and let them pay to go to school like the rest of us do. If we have money to spend on college students let’s give it to our citizens first.

You racist... how dare you.

Jaric
09-02-2011, 09:00 AM
This is kind of like having someone break into your house and instead of kicking them out, you bake them a cake, then act shocked when they come back the next day for more cake.

EDIT: And yes, I appologize in advance for this clearly racist post.

stevieray
09-02-2011, 09:01 AM
How about instead of paying for them… we give them a chance to apply for a visa so they can visit legally and let them pay to go to school like the rest of us do. If we have money to spend on college students let’s give it to our citizens first.

how about the most important fact gets adressed: being illegal really means that. illegal.

Donger
09-02-2011, 09:05 AM
This makes sense, IMO. They are just here looking for a better life. You people who were born here (which you had nothing to do with) can NEVER understand.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-02-2011, 09:06 AM
This makes sense, IMO. They are just here looking for a better life. You people who were born here (which you had nothing to do with) can NEVER understand.

You're half right they are looking for a better life, but who is calling them up inviting them over? Our loving government is the answer.

stevieray
09-02-2011, 09:10 AM
This makes sense, IMO. They are just here looking for a better life. You people who were born here (which you had nothing to do with) can NEVER understand.

..sounds like KC Native dogging your citizenship.


...most Americans don't understand wanting a better life? that's absurd

Jaric
09-02-2011, 09:17 AM
This makes sense, IMO. They are just here looking for a better life. You people who were born here (which you had nothing to do with) can NEVER understand.

You got me there.

I can't understand wanting to break into another country illegally and then expect them to pay for my college.

Donger
09-02-2011, 09:24 AM
..sounds like KC Native dogging your citizenship.


...most Americans don't understand wanting a better life? that's absurd

Born with a leg up, if you will.

Donger
09-02-2011, 09:24 AM
You got me there.

I can't understand wanting to break into another country illegally and then expect them to pay for my college.

You didn't have to break into this country. By the virtue of your birth, you are entitled.

ROYC75
09-02-2011, 09:26 AM
What Obama and the L's could not do nationwide, Jerry Brown and his cronies succeeded in. I can hear Obama to the L states, " See, this can still be done, Screw conservative Americans and carry on "!

This is just plumb silly, stupid and any thing else you want to label it.

Jaric
09-02-2011, 09:56 AM
You didn't have to break into this country. By the virtue of your birth, you are entitled.
I fail to see the connection between me being born in this country, and the expectation that my tax dollars should pay for people here illegally to go to college.

Donger
09-02-2011, 10:00 AM
I fail to see the connection between me being born in this country, and the expectation that my tax dollars should pay for people here illegally to go to college.

Of course you don't, because you have no reference point. Born with a silver spoon in your mouth and so on.

Jaric
09-02-2011, 10:03 AM
Of course you don't, because you have no reference point. Born with a silver spoon in your mouth and so on.
http://th46.photobucket.com/albums/f142/bigbadvoo/th_NotSureIfSerious.jpg

DJ's left nut
09-02-2011, 10:07 AM
Wow.

Billions in debt and they're still passing unprecedented entitlement programs with no concept at all of how to pay for them.

Jesus that state is fucked up. They absolutely vacuum money from the rest of the country through the tourist industry, yet they're still incapable of living within their means. Meanwhile, the one thing they were still excelling it - agriculture (which again pulls a ton of money from throughout the country into the state's economy) - is currently getting hammered because they've cut off irrigation to many parts of the state to protect the fucking Delta smelt. That's right - a glorified minnow is really damaging California's greatest strength.

California is really all the Republicans need to point to when discussing the failures of progressive ideologies. If a state with the advantages California has can't sustain itself due to those same policies, there's absolutely no way in hell the entire nation can follow that model.

Watch California continue to collapse and you'll get a nice little preview of what the Democrats have in mind for this country.

TEX
09-02-2011, 10:12 AM
The thinking behind this proposed bill is a prime example of why California is in the financial shape it's in...

Rain Man
09-02-2011, 10:16 AM
How about instead of paying for them… we give them a chance to apply for a visa so they can visit legally and let them pay to go to school like the rest of us do. If we have money to spend on college students let’s give it to our citizens first.


And the winner of this thread is .... FishingRod!


Key Rule #1 of society should be "Don't reward illegal behavior". If America doesn't like our immigration laws, then we should change them. But we shouldn't ignore them, because it keeps law-abiding immigrants out of the country while rewarding law-breaking immigrants.

FishingRod
09-02-2011, 10:35 AM
You racist... how dare you.

Don’t even get me started on the Welch.

Predarat
09-02-2011, 10:40 AM
We need to make a 'triage all illegals to Cali, don't deport' bill.

notorious
09-02-2011, 10:45 AM
Wow.

Billions in debt and they're still passing unprecedented entitlement programs with no concept at all of how to pay for them.

Jesus that state is ****ed up. They absolutely vacuum money from the rest of the country through the tourist industry, yet they're still incapable of living within their means. Meanwhile, the one thing they were still excelling it - agriculture (which again pulls a ton of money from throughout the country into the state's economy) - is currently getting hammered because they've cut off irrigation to many parts of the state to protect the ****ing Delta smelt. That's right - a glorified minnow is really damaging California's greatest strength.

California is really all the Republicans need to point to when discussing the failures of progressive ideologies. If a state with the advantages California has can't sustain itself due to those same policies, there's absolutely no way in hell the entire nation can follow that model.

Watch California continue to collapse and you'll get a nice little preview of what the Democrats have in mind for this country.

This.

If any federal dollars go to California to bail them out, there will be a major uprising.

Warrior5
09-02-2011, 10:56 AM
...Key Rule #1 of society should be "Don't reward illegal behavior". If America doesn't like our immigration laws, then we should change them. But we shouldn't ignore them, because it keeps law-abiding immigrants out of the country while rewarding law-breaking immigrants.

Sadly, it goes beyond merely ignoring. It encourages/rewards breaking laws.

Bob Dole
09-02-2011, 11:14 AM
Just give the entire fucking state to Mexico. JFC...

As far as his comments about "Adding to the tax base": Lower the state income tax and raise the state sales tax and see what the net result on tax revenue is.

2bikemike
09-02-2011, 06:29 PM
Wow.

Billions in debt and they're still passing unprecedented entitlement programs with no concept at all of how to pay for them.

Jesus that state is ****ed up. They absolutely vacuum money from the rest of the country through the tourist industry, yet they're still incapable of living within their means. Meanwhile, the one thing they were still excelling it - agriculture (which again pulls a ton of money from throughout the country into the state's economy) - is currently getting hammered because they've cut off irrigation to many parts of the state to protect the ****ing Delta smelt. That's right - a glorified minnow is really damaging California's greatest strength.

California is really all the Republicans need to point to when discussing the failures of progressive ideologies. If a state with the advantages California has can't sustain itself due to those same policies, there's absolutely no way in hell the entire nation can follow that model.

Watch California continue to collapse and you'll get a nice little preview of what the Democrats have in mind for this country.

This right here says it all for me. IMHO although as biased as it may be. This is the greatest State in the nation. It should be the richest with the resourses and draw of people and talent. But again and again they do stupid shit that is ruining this State. They are driving citizens and businesses away. It pisses me off and when I retire I am gone.

Chocolate Hog
09-02-2011, 06:46 PM
We know Democrats don't give a fuck about fiscal responsibility. Examples: The President, Wisconsin, California.

Easy 6
09-02-2011, 06:47 PM
http://th46.photobucket.com/albums/f142/bigbadvoo/th_NotSureIfSerious.jpg

You're being had, Dongers up to his old tricks.

DJJasonp
09-02-2011, 11:06 PM
I live and work in San Diego. I work with a self-proclaimed Marxist/leftist. She teaches part time.

She goes on one day about how great the Dream Act is and how now, so many kids from parents who came here illegally now have a chance at an education.

I have tried over the years to put myself in her shoes and to try to understand the "logic" that makes someone feel the way she does about this issue......and for the life of me, I just cant.

My response was, "I guess it's not their fault their parents broke a federal law". (trying to maintain civility)

Either an action is legal or illegal. That's why there are laws. To point these things out. How someone (anyone) can look at an issue such as this and think it's ok to break the law (and additionally, REWARD that behavior) is well beyond my comprehension.

Do I feel pity for their situation? Yes
Would I do similar to support myself and family? Probably so
Would I expect an exception to be made if caught? No
Would Mexico give tuition assistance to illegal immigrants? Hell no
Would Mexico look the other way? Hell no

I realize this issue is a bang head against brick wall issue....but sometimes the lack of logic in this issue is mind boggling.

DJJasonp
09-02-2011, 11:07 PM
Oh....and I'm a racist!

KC native
09-02-2011, 11:19 PM
Wow.

Billions in debt and they're still passing unprecedented entitlement programs with no concept at all of how to pay for them.

Jesus that state is fucked up. They absolutely vacuum money from the rest of the country through the tourist industry, yet they're still incapable of living within their means. Meanwhile, the one thing they were still excelling it - agriculture (which again pulls a ton of money from throughout the country into the state's economy) - is currently getting hammered because they've cut off irrigation to many parts of the state to protect the fucking Delta smelt. That's right - a glorified minnow is really damaging California's greatest strength.

California is really all the Republicans need to point to when discussing the failures of progressive ideologies. If a state with the advantages California has can't sustain itself due to those same policies, there's absolutely no way in hell the entire nation can follow that model.

Watch California continue to collapse and you'll get a nice little preview of what the Democrats have in mind for this country.


Let's just ignore the fact that Republicans made it damn near impossible to pax tax increases in California. :thumb:

2bikemike
09-03-2011, 05:11 PM
Let's just ignore the fact that Republicans made it damn near impossible to pax tax increases in California. :thumb:

And I applaud that. Other wise the dumbasses in Sacramento would pass every tax increase that came along. This State spends way too much on bullshit they have no business spending on. College for illegal immigrants being one of them.

Brock
09-03-2011, 05:22 PM
Let's just ignore the fact that Republicans made it damn near impossible to pax tax increases in California. :thumb:

Something tells me their problem isn't that they didn't collect enough money.

HonestChieffan
09-03-2011, 10:00 PM
Something tells me their problem isn't that they didn't collect enough money.

Democrats can never collect enough money.

Der Flöprer
09-04-2011, 09:55 AM
I encourage them to encourage every illegal immigrant to go to California. Building a wall on their border would be cheaper.

prhom
09-04-2011, 10:45 PM
You didn't have to break into this country. By the virtue of your birth, you are entitled.

Only citizens of CA are entitled to in-state tuition at a CA public university. A student from Maine is going to have less assistance to go to school in CA than an illegal will. I hope you're joking?

prhom
09-04-2011, 10:46 PM
Democrats can never collect enough money.

I could not agree more. Please refer to my sig line...

Garcia Bronco
09-06-2011, 11:26 AM
I would love to educate everyone. It's just not sustainable though when you consider the massive debt at teh Federal level..and especially at the state level when you consider the terrible shape of California

Jaric
09-06-2011, 11:45 AM
You're being had, Dongers up to his old tricks.
Fucking Brits...

Donger
09-06-2011, 11:46 AM
****ing Brits...

LMAO

Jaric
09-06-2011, 11:49 AM
LMAO

:shake:

DJ's left nut
09-06-2011, 11:51 AM
Let's just ignore the fact that Republicans made it damn near impossible to pax tax increases in California. :thumb:

Good.

How about figuring out ways to stop pissing money away on garbage before you start increasing taxes?

Besides, consumption taxes are off the scale out there and that includes nonsense like the hotel and restaurant taxes that specifically target tourist dollars.

The collapse in California is absolutely not a revenue issue and its laughable that you'd try to spin it as such. California has revenue advantages the no state in the union can ever approach yet they're absolutely swimming in debt.

In order to tax their way out of their situation, California would have to tax their citizens and corporations to levels that would drive unemployment through the roof while simultaneously driving prices sky-high. And you would do so all in the name of giving illegals free college tuition or throwing additional entitlements at folks that do nothing to actually sustain the economy.

That state is a trainwreck and your attitude perfectly encapsulates why.

notorious
09-06-2011, 12:30 PM
I realize this issue is a bang head against brick wall issue....but sometimes the lack of logic in this issue is mind boggling.

This sums it.