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HonestChieffan
09-05-2011, 02:25 PM
They had such success in Wisconsin, now they plan to fix the rest of the country. Concrete shoes for anyone who does not agree.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html


Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa had some profane, combative words for Republicans while warming up the crowd for President Obama in Detroit, Michigan on Monday.

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," Jimmy Hoffa Jr. said to a heavily union crowd.

"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.

Obama addressed the crowd shortly after Hoffa.

mikey23545
09-05-2011, 03:04 PM
Hoffa Jr. needs to go say hello to his daddy.

patteeu
09-05-2011, 03:38 PM
It's OK because he didn't draw any crosshairs.

Frankie
09-05-2011, 03:45 PM
May the Union army defeat the slaver Cons this time too.

:)

Warrior5
09-05-2011, 03:57 PM
Hoffa is an uber-douche.

BucEyedPea
09-05-2011, 04:07 PM
Is HCf going to join the New Confederate army?

whoman69
09-05-2011, 04:15 PM
So its only ok when Republicans say they are going to take back the country, which they started saying before Obama even took office after his landslide victory.

mlyonsd
09-05-2011, 04:16 PM
Can someone explain to me why unions back democrats? Democrats have sold workers down the river just as much as republicans have IMO.

Ebolapox
09-05-2011, 04:24 PM
he's quite a classy guy, isn't he?

Warrior5
09-05-2011, 07:01 PM
So its only ok when Republicans say they are going to take back the country, which they started saying before Obama even took office after his landslide victory.

I think it's the "taking out", "sons of bitches", "teabaggers", "racists", "enemy", "go straight to hell", "hang people from trees" vernacular that mostly bothers people.

whoman69
09-05-2011, 08:54 PM
I think it's the "taking out", "sons of bitches", "teabaggers", "racists", "enemy", "go straight to hell", "hang people from trees" vernacular that mostly bothers people.

"god hates fags"
"Obamacare"
"Comunist"
"Socialist"
"activist judges"

Ronald Reagan could say liberal and make it sound like a swear word.

Don't tell me the right has also been kind and social. That's like pissing on my leg and telling me its raining.

Bewbies
09-05-2011, 09:00 PM
"god hates pillowbiters"
"Obamacare"
"Comunist"
"Socialist"
"activist judges"

Ronald Reagan could say liberal and make it sound like a swear word.

Don't tell me the right has also been kind and social. That's like pissing on my leg and telling me its raining.

God hates pillowbiters is a democrat term.

HonestChieffan
09-05-2011, 09:50 PM
Can someone explain to me why unions back democrats? Democrats have sold workers down the river just as much as republicans have IMO.

Democrats seem easily led with lots of cool slogans and stuff. Beats hell out of actual thought.

patteeu
09-05-2011, 10:15 PM
"god hates pillowbiters"

This one's a democrat's phrase.

"Obamacare"
"Comunist"
"Socialist"
"activist judges"

Why do you hide from these and what could possibly make these the equivalent of "hanging people from trees"?


Ronald Reagan could say liberal and make it sound like a swear word.

Don't tell me the right has also been kind and social. That's like pissing on my leg and telling me its raining.

If you weren't one of the democrats chastising Republicans for their language after Gabrielle Giffords was shot then you don't have any reason to talk because these jabs weren't aimed at you. If you were one of them, then it's time to STFU.

2bikemike
09-05-2011, 10:50 PM
Can someone explain to me why unions back democrats? Democrats have sold workers down the river just as much as republicans have IMO.

IMHO Unions and Democrats are from the same mold with the same Ideals. And that is "you can't take care of yourselves and you need us to take care of you."

The democrats preach those evil rich people need to give more. The unions preach those evil rich business owners need to give more.

Chiefshrink
09-06-2011, 08:53 AM
As I have said in the past and especially now early on in this campaign season Obama will put "Alinsky on Roids" from here on out against the Repubs and especially against true Conservatives. He has nothing else but a failed record so OMarxist must now go after the House led Repubs and conservatives and hopes "We The People" buy it, which will fail.

Actions speak louder than words and Obama has calculated all this 'destruction", whoops, I mean transformation of America as we know it. His real challenge here is to make it look like he has "We The People" best interest at heart while his "true" interest is 'dismantling' the individual, freedom, liberty and free market system as we know it and replacing it with "big government will tell you when to piss and shit and how much".

Bottom line: Obama must have to speak out both sides of his mouth and hopefully "We The People" won't notice. But the polls show we are on to this Marxist. But this is what Marxists do in order to attain power (play the class warfare card)

"whoman69" you truly are a "useful idiot". Go back to your "cicle and hammer" while "We The People" continue to lead with the torch of freedom and liberty for the individual.

Chiefshrink
09-06-2011, 08:56 AM
I think it's the "taking out", "sons of bitches", "teabaggers", "racists", "enemy", "go straight to hell", "hang people from trees" vernacular that mostly bothers people.

"Alinsky on Roids":thumb:

Chiefshrink
09-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Can someone explain to me why unions back democrats? Democrats have sold workers down the river just as much as republicans have IMO.

What FDR did back in the 30's politically branding Repubs as "rich fat cats that don't care for "Joe Sixpack" and only the rich, while the Dem party is truly the party that cares for "We The People" and then proves it (during our worst economic period of our country)by creating all the socialistic policy(Social Security etc.....) was pure political genius and has stuck ever since while slipping into more "socialism" gradually every decade since that time. The media has become more and more pro-liberal/socialistic to the point of an outright Pravada/Marxist approach today to preventing "real debate" so as to stifle conservative speech and push the progessive marxist agenda.
Sad but true.

Now the difference between Obama's labor policy and FDR's labor policy and the "irony' is that FDR was totally against a Federal Governmemt Union whereas Obama desperately wants a Federal Government Union(a la Hoffa). This has been the "dream" of the "Progressives"(a la Marxists) for decades on top of nationalized healthcare which they did "thug" and get in 2010.

They get this and it's "lights out".

Amnorix
09-06-2011, 09:26 AM
What FDR did back in the 30's politically branding Repubs as "rich fat cats that don't care for "Joe Sixpack" and only the rich, while the Dem party is truly the party that cares for "We The People" and then proves it (during our worst economic period of our country)by creating all the socialistic policy(Social Security etc.....) was pure political genius and has stuck ever since while slipping into more "socialism" gradually every decade since that time. The media has become more and more pro-liberal/socialistic to the point of an outright Pravada/Marxist approach today to preventing "real debate" so as to stifle conservative speech and push the progessive marxist agenda.
Sad but true.

Now the difference between Obama's labor policy and FDR's labor policy and the "irony' is that FDR was totally against a Federal Governmemt Union whereas Obama desperately wants a Federal Government Union(a la Hoffa). This has been the "dream" of the "Progressives"(a la Marxists) for decades on top of nationalized healthcare which they did "thug" and get in 2010.

They get this and it's "lights out".


You may want to rewrite this. You didn't use Alinsky or Alinskization or Alinkysims or AlinskyAlinskyAlinsky even once anywhere in it. Must be a mistake.

blaise
09-06-2011, 09:30 AM
"god hates pillowbiters"
"Obamacare"
"Comunist"
"Socialist"
"activist judges"

Ronald Reagan could say liberal and make it sound like a swear word.

Don't tell me the right has also been kind and social. That's like pissing on my leg and telling me its raining.

I don't think that's the point. I think the point is all the incessant crying we've heard over the last few months when a tea partier makes any reference to taking someone out, or fighting a political war. It's met with hand wringing from the left as some sort of fanatical danger to the democratic process. Meanwhile, when similar language is used by someone on the left it's somehow not dangerous rhetoric.
I don't think many conservatives are saying Republicans or Tea Partiers are some sort of pollyanna innocents when it comes to rhetoric. It's the Democrats who seem to posture themselves as above that, when it's clearly not true.

Chiefshrink
09-06-2011, 09:34 AM
I don't think that's the point. I think the point is all the incessant crying we've heard over the last few months when a tea partier makes any reference to taking someone out, or fighting a political war. It's met with hand wringing from the left as some sort of fanatical danger to the democratic process. Meanwhile, when similar language is used by someone on the left it's somehow not dangerous rhetoric.
I don't think many conservatives are saying Republicans or Tea Partiers are some sort of pollyanna innocents when it comes to rhetoric. It's the Democrats who seem to posture themselves as above that, when it's clearly not true.

Classic Alinsky:thumb:

Sorry Anorexic, I call it what it is and who is one of Obama's idols;):rolleyes:

whoman69
09-06-2011, 05:58 PM
This one's a democrat's phrase.



Why do you hide from these and what could possibly make these the equivalent of "hanging people from trees"?



If you weren't one of the democrats chastising Republicans for their language after Gabrielle Giffords was shot then you don't have any reason to talk because these jabs weren't aimed at you. If you were one of them, then it's time to STFU.

Take a farging reality pill. You cannot possibly be telling me the right is not into coming up with equally distasteful dialogue, or have you never read Ann Coulter or Shtsprayer? Nobody here is defending the idiot who said that the Tea Party wants to be "hanging people from trees." I have seen the words and phrases the right uses defended and repeated on these boards.

Once again, don't piss down my leg and tell me its raining.

patteeu
09-06-2011, 06:09 PM
Take a farging reality pill. You cannot possibly be telling me the right is not into coming up with equally distasteful dialogue, or have you never read Ann Coulter or Shtsprayer? Nobody here is defending the idiot who said that the Tea Party wants to be "hanging people from trees." I have seen the words and phrases the right uses defended and repeated on these boards.

Once again, don't piss down my leg and tell me its raining.

Have you been in a cave for the past year? This isn't about Republicans being above this kind of rhetoric. This is about the hypocrisy of your Democrats who roundly criticized this sort of thing (going so far as to blame the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords on the environment created by it) while standing silently by when one of their own does it. How could you have missed this?

Warrior5
09-06-2011, 07:12 PM
Have you been in a cave for the past year? This isn't about Republicans being above this kind of rhetoric. This is about the hypocrisy of your Democrats who roundly criticized this sort of thing (going so far as to blame the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords on the environment created by it) while standing silently by when one of their own does it. How could you have missed this?

... and please read post #20, which also sums it up.

patteeu
09-06-2011, 07:16 PM
... and please read post #20, which also sums it up.

:thumb:

Chiefshrink
09-07-2011, 09:31 AM
Take a farging reality pill. You cannot possibly be telling me the right is not into coming up with equally distasteful dialogue, or have you never read Ann Coulter or Shtsprayer? .

Back at ya, buddy:thumb:

Show me one conservative whether Repub,Dem or Libertarian politician that has used equally distastful dialogue that equals Andre,Maxine or Jimmy??

Thankyou:rolleyes:

evenfall
09-07-2011, 01:12 PM
These unions are businesses like any other. They are the biggest special interest there is - shaking down free enterprise and the general public for the benefit of a small sliver of the population.

Frankly I'd rather hear a big oil CEO say this than a union thugs. At least if the president is in bed with a business that business can prosper and create jobs. If the union gets their way the company gets choked unconscious like they did to GM, damn sure no jobs are being created.

Frankie
09-07-2011, 02:36 PM
OK let's put an end to another bogus thread by HCF:


Here's the Fox-News-edited video that HCF is trying to sell us (from thread header):

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html


Here's the speech IN CONTEXT (just listen from 1:57 on):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f65xilSDyso


Fox conveniently edited out the part in which Hoffa is encouraging everybody to vote right prior to saying the "let's take the SOBs out."

****ed News has never had any shame misinforming sheep like HCF. Why should we be surprised now? :shake:

patteeu
09-07-2011, 03:13 PM
OK let's put an end to another bogus thread by HCF:


Here's the Fox-News-edited video that HCF is trying to sell us (from thread header):

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/05/jimmy_hoffa_at_obama_event_on_gop_lets_take_these_son_of_bitches_out.html


Here's the speech IN CONTEXT (just listen from 1:57 on):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f65xilSDyso


Fox conveniently edited out the part in which Hoffa is encouraging everybody to vote right prior to saying the "let's take the SOBs out."

****ed News has never had any shame misinforming sheep like HCF. Why should we be surprised now? :shake:

What part do you think was confusing about HonestChieffan's presentation?

Chocolate Hog
09-07-2011, 03:18 PM
Shouldn't he be looking for his dad?

Frankie
09-07-2011, 03:19 PM
What part do you think was confusing about HonestChieffan's presentation?Here I go having to explain another punchline.

The "taking out" context was clearly through VOTING. Not Guns or assassinations. Although since Righties always see guns and violence in their daydreams I can see what Fox was playing on by deliberately editing out the "everybody vote" part.

Frankie
09-07-2011, 03:20 PM
Shouldn't he be looking for his dad?

Great comeback when you've been had and someone tells you that you have. :thumb: Very witty.

mlyonsd
09-07-2011, 03:24 PM
Look out, Frankie's on his high horse again.

blaise
09-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Look out, Frankie's on his high horse again.

I think we can all agree that only comments by the left are taken out of context, and all Republican and Tea Party comments were presented in the full context.

patteeu
09-07-2011, 03:32 PM
Here I go having to explain another punchline.

The "taking out" context was clearly through VOTING. Not Guns or assassinations. Although since Righties always see guns and violence in their daydreams I can see what Fox was playing on by deliberately editing out the "everybody vote" part.

No one was confused about that but you.

mlyonsd
09-07-2011, 03:39 PM
Video Game Targets 'Tea Party Zombies,' Fox News Personalities (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/video-game-targets-tea-party-zombies-fox-news-personalities/?test=latestnews)

Frankie
09-07-2011, 03:47 PM
Look out, Frankie's on his high horse again.

How so? By providing proof of ****ed News and HCF thread's dishonesty?

patteeu
09-07-2011, 03:49 PM
How so? By providing proof of ****ed News and HCF thread's dishonesty?

The "concrete shoes for anyone who doesn't agree" part of HCF's post wasn't dishonest. It was the kind of humor you apparently don't understand. The funny kind.

Frankie
09-07-2011, 03:51 PM
No one was confused about that but you.

So you knew he meant take them out via voting, right?

patteeu
09-07-2011, 03:52 PM
So you knew he meant take them out via voting, right?

Yes. I think I can speak for the vast majority of people when I say that we all knew it.

No wonder liberals were so freaked out by Sarah Palin's crosshairs. They must have thought she was really sending out hit squads or something.

Frankie
09-07-2011, 03:54 PM
I think we can all agree that only comments by the left are taken out of context, and all Republican and Tea Party comments were presented in the full context.

That's what THIS thread is about isn't it? I showed that THIS comment was deliberately presented out of context.

If there are other cases that the Right's comments are taken out of context I'm sure they have been mentioned in other threads and I assume you guys provided evidence against them as I have here.

Frankie
09-07-2011, 03:55 PM
Yes. I think I can speak for the vast majority of people when I say that we all knew it.

Then would you mind telling me what this fuss is all about and why this thread exists?

Donger
09-07-2011, 04:01 PM
LMAO

blaise
09-07-2011, 04:04 PM
Tea Party Leader John Doe had some profane, combative words for Democrats while warming up in Detroit, Michigan on Monday.

"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on America. And you see it everywhere, it is Obama. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about the Tea Party is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war, they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's going to be the Tea Partiers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win that war," John Doe said to a Tea Party crowd.

"Freedom loving Americans, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong," Hoffa added.

Rick Perry addressed the crowd shortly after Doe.

I wonder how that scenario would have played?

OMG HE'S INCITING VIOLENCE AND RACISM!

patteeu
09-07-2011, 04:16 PM
Then would you mind telling me what this fuss is all about and why this thread exists?

It's been explained several times already. blaise's post #20 sums it up nicely. This is about the hypocrisy of a party and a President who lambasted Republican instances of militaristic campaign language less than a year ago but now stand by silently when their own supporters do the same thing.

Frankie
09-07-2011, 04:50 PM
It's been explained several times already. blaise's post #20 sums it up nicely. This is about the hypocrisy of a party and a President who lambasted Republican instances of militaristic campaign language less than a year ago but now stand by silently when their own supporters do the same thing.

There has to be a reason for a hypocrisy to exist. What is that reason here?

If there is any hypocrisy here, it's this thread and Faux News.

Donger
09-07-2011, 04:54 PM
The president has repeatedly called for increased civility in American politics. “Only a more civil and honest public discourse can help us face up to the challenges of our nation,” the president said in January.

“I do believe there is hope for civility. I do believe there’s hope for progress,” Obama said after last November’s midterm elections.

At the time Obama admitted that he had neglected “some things that matter a lot to people,” including “maintaining a bipartisan tone in Washington,” and that he planned to “redouble my efforts to go back to some of those first principles.”

patteeu
09-07-2011, 05:21 PM
There has to be a reason for a hypocrisy to exist. What is that reason here?

If there is any hypocrisy here, it's this thread and Faux News.

Yes, of course. This thread and FOX News forced Obama into his hypocrisy. You must be right.

vailpass
09-07-2011, 05:35 PM
Flunkie you are one funny little guy. I"d like to jump over a flame with you while beating your father with a broken airframe, then execute a perfect landing on top of a slutty goat that was showing nothing but her eyes.

Radar Chief
09-07-2011, 05:46 PM
"god hates pillowbiters"

:spock: Uh, you do realize Fred Phelps is a Democrat. Right?

Frankie
09-07-2011, 07:12 PM
Yes, of course. This thread and FOX News forced Obama into his hypocrisy. You must be right.

Where in the thread starter did you read that?

Frankie
09-07-2011, 07:14 PM
Flunkie you are one funny little guy. I"d like to jump over a flame with you while beating your father with a broken airframe, then execute a perfect landing on top of a slutty goat that was showing nothing but her eyes.

Another piece of wisdom from the CP's great debater Failpiss. :rolleyes:

Frankie
09-07-2011, 07:16 PM
:spock: Uh, you do realize Fred Phelps is a Democrat. Right?

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Anybody can call himself anything. Does that mean he represents that label?

patteeu
09-07-2011, 07:22 PM
Where in the thread starter did you read that?

Hoffa was introducing the President at a rally. Didn't you know this? It's in the first sentence of the article.

Frankie
09-07-2011, 11:47 PM
Hoffa was introducing the President at a rally. Didn't you know this? It's in the first sentence of the article.

So where is Obama's hypocrisy here?

patteeu
09-07-2011, 11:50 PM
So where is Obama's hypocrisy here?

You can find a description in post 45.

Frankie
09-08-2011, 12:08 AM
You can find a description in post 45.

Here's post 45:

It's been explained several times already. blaise's post #20 sums it up nicely. This is about the hypocrisy of a party and a President who lambasted Republican instances of militaristic campaign language less than a year ago but now stand by silently when their own supporters do the same thing.

What part of "taking out politicians through voting" do you find "militaristic?"

patteeu
09-08-2011, 06:37 AM
Here's post 45:



What part of "taking out politicians through voting" do you find "militaristic?"

The "taking out" part. Come on, Frankie. I don't believe you're really this slow.

Radar Chief
09-08-2011, 08:16 AM
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Anybody can call himself anything. Does that mean he represents that label?

When you’re trying to run off a list of “hateful Republican rhetoric” it’s typically referred to as “idiotic” to include a quote from a Democrat.

blaise
09-08-2011, 08:22 AM
The whole speech is filled with war analogies, Frankie. Come on. This is the kind of stuff we kept hearing about from Democrats last year. "Well, even if Sharron Angle wasn't calling for an armed uprising, she's using language and words that contribute to the overall aggressive rhetoric that goes on." They weren't bothering to give the Tea Party the benefit of the doubt about, "Take back our country" There was some assumption that it was couched in racism and hatred.
So, why would the same people who wouldn't give the Tea Party the benefit of the doubt, or read Tea Party comments in the most favorable context suddenly give this guy the benefit of the doubt, and read his comments in the most favorable context?

We all know Hoffa wasn't asking for union members to jump in tanks and helicopters and go to war. We get the context. The point you're missing is that these same comments, if made by some town hall protester at a health care debate, or by some tea party member, would have been used as an example of dangerous, disrespectful rhetoric regardless of context.
Instead, here you are making excuses. If you want to excuse this guy, fine, go ahead. Just don't pop back up here in three weeks when some Tea Party guy says something like this and complain that it's disrespectful, racist or dangerous rhetoric. Not unless you're also willing to examine the full context of what they're saying and interpret the language in the most favorable light for the speaker.
I don't have a problem with his comments. Just like I don't have a problem with Tea Partiers saying, "Take our country back."