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Nightfyre
09-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Please provide your grade of Scott Pioli through the first two and a half years of service, along with some insight about why you graded him so.

Mine:

Changes in Head Coaches:
Firing Chan Gailey - B - It was a no-brainer. Keeping him on in the capacity of an offensive coordinator was somewhat of a mess, but maybe they got some intel out of him they otherwise wouldn't have.

Hiring Todd Haley - B - I like Todd Haley. I think he has the capacity and balls to bring us to the Superbowl. He definitely does things his way, which is both good and bad. He is also willing to adapt as he goes.

Drafting:
2009 -
Round 1:
Tyson Jackson - (D) A 5-tech drafted at number 3 who should have been drafted somewhere around the middle of the first round. Jackson has failed to impress in his first two seasons; however, that is typical of defensive lineman as their development cycle is thought to average three years. He cannot possibly live up to his draft position.

Round 2:
Matt Cassel - (C) - Cassel has probably played at a B- level, but the huge contract he is under mitigates his play. Further, Pioli continues to stick with him despite his limited upside and time-in-service.

Mike Vrabel - (C) - provided below-average play due to his speed, but supposedly provided veteran leadership. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that part.

Round 3:
Alex Magee - (F) - Traded to the Buc's to swap a fifth round pick for a sixth round pick two years later.

Round 4:
Donald Washington (C) - A high upside pick that just didn't pan out. I like this pick at the time. Still on the roster (they refuse to give up on him)

Round 5:
Colin Brown (F) - Didn't even make the opening season roster.

Round 6:
Quinten Lawrence (C) - Mediocre non-contributor, Currently on the Practice Squad

Round 7:
Javarris Williams - (C) - Released and subsequently signed with the Texans.

Jake O'Connell - (C) - How does this guy justify a roster spot?

Ryan Succop - (A) - What a pickup. A good kicker with the leg to become an elite one.

2010:

Round 1:
Eric Berry - (A+) - A super high upside pick with great intangibles, made the pro-bowl his first year.

Round 2:
Dexter McCluster - (C) - An undersized player they envisioned at the slot. He did win us the first game of the 2010 season, but he suffered an injury. It's hard to pin down just what McCluster will contribute. Regardless, at this point it appears unlikely to be worth a second round pick.

Javier Arenas - (B-) - He is likely a career nickel-back, which he does well and has upside at. Given the frequency with which nickel-backs are used in todays NFL, I am going to say he has potential to justify his draft position, but he will have to become pretty elite.

Round 3:
Jon Asamoah - (B+) - He is starting in 2011, and while he does not yet appear to be elite, he certainly has the potential.

Round 4:
Tony Moeaki - (B) - An elite tight-end in the making. The only caveat is that he has difficulty remaining healthy. May the lord bless us with a miracle surgeon.

Round 5:
Kendrick Lewis - (A) - A starting FS whose play in 2010 was adequate. Here's hoping he continues to improve.

Cameron Sheffield - (B) - After suffering a freak neck injury in 2010, we finally get to see Sheffield this year. He appears to be a moderate-upside player.

2011 Draft:
Round 1:
Jonathon Baldwin - (B+) - A top ten talent/athlete with character questions and a skill-set in severe need of an overhaul. Drafted near the bottom of round 1. His measurables are off the charts. He is slightly bigger than Larry Fitzgerald and as athletic. He must improve his attitude, his route-running, and his ability to break off press coverage. Amazing Hands. I hope this kid pans out, because I see Larry Fitzgerald upside.

Round 2:
Rodney Hudson - (B) - A highly-touted guard/center, but slightly undersized. Based on the preseason he is going to take some polish, but another good selection based on the information we have now.

Round 3:
Justin Houston - (B+) - A first round talent who dropped due to a failed drug test. He appears to have elite upside based on what we have seen thusfar.

Allen Bailey - (B+) - Another highly talented individual who appears to have elite upside.

Round 4:
Jalil Brown - (B) - Appears to have the stuff to make it as a number 2 corner, based on what we've seen thusfar.

Round 5:
Ricky Stanzi - (B) - Appears to have a better skillset and arm than Cassel, but we do not have a sufficient sample to draw any conclusions yet.

Round 6:
Gabe Miller - (C+) - Currently on the IR. I have not seen him play yet.

Jerrel Powe - (B) - Appears to have quite the upside for a nose tackle. Many would have been happy to see him drafted in round four, let alone six.

Round 7:
Shane Bannon - (C) - Currently on the practice squad.

OVERALL DRAFTING GRADE: B
I added less weight to the first draft given the timeframe in which Pioli was added.

Notable Free Agents:
2009:
Jovan Belcher - An UDFA who appears to have high upside as a MLB.
Terrence Copper - Special Teams player

2010:
Casey Weigman - A veteran with good presence in the locker room. Played well early in the season but lost too much weight/steam in the second half to be effective.

Thomas Jones- A veteran presence in the lockerroom, probably responsible for us maintaining Charles (an oft overlooked point.) On the other hand he did break our first round picks hand.

Ryan Lilja - A great pickup at Guard. A starter with some miles left on him.

Shaun Smith - An awesome pickup on the defensive line. He moved on to the Titans but provided one of his best years to KC.

Mike Brown - Lost too much speed to be effective.

Jerhame Urban - Still has a roster spot anyway.

2011:

Steve Breaston - Appears to be a solid addition, currently starting opposite Bowe.

Kelly Gregg - Hopefully he can show Powe the ropes. no one is sure how much he has left in the tank.

Steve Piscitelli - Safety depth, sort of.

Brandon Siler - Appeared to be a terrific pickup until he hit the IR.

Keary Colbert - Has a roster spot. Maybe he can show some of his old magic.

Le'ron McClain - An all-pro FB should provide excellent improvement in the short yardage running game, an area sorely missed last season.

Free Agency Grade: B-
We have added some players, however I would say Pioli has only done a slightly above-average job thusfar acquiring talent through free agency.

Pioli's overall grade: B

He has substantially improved the roster and the coaching staff. However, he has a long way to go to bring us to the Bowl.

Rausch
09-07-2011, 12:56 AM
Agreed with the overall grade but disagree with a lot before that...

Fritz88
09-07-2011, 12:57 AM
B-, Cassel hurts his grade.
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ChiefsCountry
09-07-2011, 01:05 AM
I give him an A for most of the roster but a F on Cassel. Its the 90s Chiefs with better talent all over again.

Just Passin' By
09-07-2011, 01:06 AM
The guy won executive of the year, helped his team go from 2 wins to 10 wins in just 2 seasons, and just had what looks to be a second consecutive excellent draft, and that's only good enough for a "B"?


This fucking place

LMAO

Rausch
09-07-2011, 01:10 AM
The guy won executive of the year, helped his team go from 2 wins to 10 wins in just 2 seasons, and just had what looks to be a second consecutive excellent draft, and that's only good enough for a "B"?

We grading him on the Pats or what he did here?


This ****ing place

LMAO

His first draft was definitely not excellent and compounded by a trade for a QB the fanbase is still divided on...

Count Zarth
09-07-2011, 01:36 AM
Draft 1: Disaster. F.

Draft 2: Better, but McCluster and Moeaki are huge question marks. C+

Draft 3: Appears to be good. A

Average: C+ (75)

FA Class 1: Disaster. F.

FA Class 2: Pretty good. B.

FA Class 3: Orgasmic. A+

Average: B (80)


Coaching hires:

Todd Haley: B - would be an A, but inability to work with OCs and dumbass decision to hire Muir lowers his grade.

Romeo Crennel: A - I'm giving Pioli credit for this moreso than Haley.

Average: B+ (85)


Overall average - 75 + 80 + 85 = B

BigMeatballDave
09-07-2011, 01:43 AM
Draft 1: Disaster. F.

Draft 2: Better, but McCluster and Moeaki are huge question marks. C+

Draft 3: Appears to be good. A

Average: C+ (75)

FA Class 1: Disaster. F.

FA Class 2: Pretty good. B.

FA Class 3: Orgasmic. A+

Average: B (80)


Coaching hires:

Todd Haley: B - would be an A, but inability to work with OCs and dumbass decision to hire Muir lowers his grade.

Romeo Crennel: A - I'm giving Pioli credit for this moreso than Haley.

Average: B+ (85)


Overall average - 75 + 80 + 85 = BA HC does not have to work with or conform to other coaches. It's his team. Period.

Count Zarth
09-07-2011, 01:45 AM
A HC does not have to work with or conform to other coaches. It's his team. Period.

The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

Von Dumbass
09-07-2011, 01:46 AM
I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

BigRock
09-07-2011, 01:47 AM
I give Pioli a C+ because I'm not grading him higher than Haley, who had to work with Cassel and who had to work with Jackson and Pioli's other draft or FA stumbles. And I'm giving Haley a B because he doesn't get an A until he wins a playoff game.

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 02:02 AM
How can you grade this years draft? You give McCluster a C, did you have him as a C when we drafted him? That right there is proof that grades change once you actually see the guys play.

Pioli has brought in plenty of talent beyond just Berry. Even the guys who were here didn't hit their peak until Pioli and Haley got them. A lot of that goes to them become vets, but a lot goes to the coaching and identity of the team.

BigMeatballDave
09-07-2011, 02:02 AM
The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

No its not.

Rausch
09-07-2011, 02:02 AM
I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

...

http://www.chronicle.su/wp-content/uploads/jackie-chan-whut-300x195.jpg

Just Passin' By
09-07-2011, 02:10 AM
We grading him on the Pats or what he did here?

In K.C., obviously.

In 2008, here were the teams with 5 wins or fewer, with their win totals that year, and their highest win total since in parentheses:

Bengals: 4(10)
Browns: 4(5)
Jaguars: 5(8)
Raiders: 5(8)
Chiefs: 2(10)
Lions: 0(6)
Seahawks: 4(7)
Rams: 2(7)

That gives the Chiefs the best turnaround in the group, and that includes the year where Pioli was a late hire and didn't have his own staff in place. He doesn't really need what he did with the Patriots to be included in that.

Hey, it's just grades, and they're meaningless. I just get a kick out of this place bitching over an 8 game improvement in 2 years largely because a handful of people poisoned the waters about a QB who's been better than the guy they wanted the team to draft.

Rausch
09-07-2011, 02:20 AM
In K.C., obviously.

In 2008, here were the teams with 5 wins or fewer, with their win totals that year, and their highest win total since in parentheses:

Bengals: 4(10)
Browns: 4(5)
Jaguars: 5(8)
Raiders: 5(8)
Chiefs: 2(10)
Lions: 0(6)
Seahawks: 4(7)
Rams: 2(7)

That gives the Chiefs the best turnaround in the group, and that includes the year where Pioli was a late hire and didn't have his own staff in place. He doesn't really need what he did with the Patriots to be included in that.

Ok, so after a 10-6 record and a first round playoff ass-pounding what grade would you give the HC/GM?

An A?

B+?...

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 02:29 AM
Ok, so after a 10-6 record and a first round playoff ass-pounding what grade would you give the HC/GM?

An A?

B+?...

Im not sure its fair to penalize him for a team that probably over achieved and got in the ring with a team it wasn't fully ready for. Yet another reason to wait until this season ends to start deciding on either extremes for this question.

LOCOChief
09-07-2011, 05:49 AM
I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

Yeah see many of you guys and KnowMo THINK ALIKE.

LMAO grading a rokkie's that haven't played a snap.

do any of you know what grade the league gave him? hmmmmmm

Bugeater
09-07-2011, 06:08 AM
The guy won executive of the year, helped his team go from 2 wins to 10 wins in just 2 seasons, and just had what looks to be a second consecutive excellent draft, and that's only good enough for a "B"?


This fucking place

LMAO
I didn't realize he set up the 2010 schedule.

Deberg_1990
09-07-2011, 06:47 AM
What grade did Chiefsplanet give Carl Peterson in Sept. 1991?

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 06:53 AM
As if any of you are qualified to evaluate job performance of an NFL GM.

I give you all an F on your attempt. It was humorous though.

milkman
09-07-2011, 06:59 AM
In K.C., obviously.

In 2008, here were the teams with 5 wins or fewer, with their win totals that year, and their highest win total since in parentheses:

Bengals: 4(10)
Browns: 4(5)
Jaguars: 5(8)
Raiders: 5(8)
Chiefs: 2(10)
Lions: 0(6)
Seahawks: 4(7)
Rams: 2(7)

That gives the Chiefs the best turnaround in the group, and that includes the year where Pioli was a late hire and didn't have his own staff in place. He doesn't really need what he did with the Patriots to be included in that.

Hey, it's just grades, and they're meaningless. I just get a kick out of this place bitching over an 8 game improvement in 2 years largely because a handful of people poisoned the waters about a QB who's been better than the guy they wanted the team to draft.

I think this idea of grading is pretty assinine at this point, but using these numbers, clearly Mike Brown is a damn good GM.

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 07:07 AM
The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

is that you or your avatar speaking?

Chief Faithful
09-07-2011, 07:10 AM
I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

Common KnowMo, you are loosing your burst.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 07:19 AM
As if any of you are qualified to evaluate job performance of an NFL GM.

I give you all an F on your attempt. It was humorous though.

This...


:clap:

the Talking Can
09-07-2011, 07:25 AM
The guy won executive of the year, helped his team go from 2 wins to 10 wins in just 2 seasons, and just had what looks to be a second consecutive excellent draft, and that's only good enough for a "B"?


This ****ing place

LMAO

nobody cares what Cassel's vas deferens thinks...

Hydrae
09-07-2011, 07:27 AM
I agree, I am not thrilled with Cassell. But getting a starting LB and QB for a second round pick is certainly better than a "C" grade.

Just sayin'

Chiefnj2
09-07-2011, 07:29 AM
2009: F. Bad draft. Firing OC 2 weeks before the season. Haley over his head. DC that didn't fit.

2010: A. Good draft. Hired 2 very good coordinators. Team overachieves and makes playoffs.

2011: Inc.

Von Dumbass
09-07-2011, 07:31 AM
Common KnowMo, you are loosing your burst.

What part of that isn't true though? He did inherit Charles, Flowers, Albert, Carr, Dorsey, Derrick Johnson, Brian Waters, Bowe, and Tamba Hali. Who else that is any good has Pioli brought in? Berry was a nobrainer pick at #5 much like Von Miller was for Elway so they shouldn't get credit for top 5 picks.

The best thing Pioli was able to do was bring in Weis and Crennel last year and now Weis is gone.

whoman69
09-07-2011, 07:32 AM
I don't know if Pioli deserves a good letter grade. He inherited every good player on the roster from Herm and Carl. He did get Berry but he shouldn't get a lot of credit for that because Berry fell right into his lap.

Yes because Herm brought out all the great play in those players.

We had other options beyond Berry.

Von Dumbass
09-07-2011, 07:34 AM
Yes because Herm brought out all the great play in those players.

We had other options beyond Berry.

Weis and Crennel brought out the best in those guys last year. Pioli had nothing to do with it.

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 07:36 AM
His first draft was an F-, but he did get a late start. If only he had of deferred that draft to our draftabulators, this team would be Super Bowl bound.

His next two have been stellar, and this team seems to no longer be devoid of talent. I love the fire Haley brings, and his self confidence to do it his own way.

I would give Pioli a solid B+.

whoman69
09-07-2011, 07:42 AM
As if any of you are qualified to evaluate job performance of an NFL GM.

I give you all an F on your attempt. It was humorous though.

So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

STFU and get back under the table.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 07:44 AM
So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

STFU and get back under the table.

Its different to talk about it, but when you act like your word is absolute fact then it becomes....LMAO

keg in kc
09-07-2011, 07:49 AM
Weis and Crennel brought out the best in those guys last year. Pioli had nothing to do with it.Other than hiring Weis and Crennel.

milkman
09-07-2011, 07:51 AM
Its different to talk about it, but when you act like your word is absolute fact then it becomes....LMAO

You're an idiot.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 07:53 AM
You're an idiot.

I dont really care what you think... Sorry homeboy...LMAO

Von Dumbass
09-07-2011, 07:57 AM
Other than hiring Weis and Crennel.

Yeah...

milkman
09-07-2011, 07:58 AM
I dont really care what you think... Sorry homeboy...LMAO

Because you're too stupid to care.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 08:03 AM
Because you're too stupid to care.

ROFL

Yeah thats it Milkman...

and what am I too stupid to care about? I would really like to know...

|Zach|
09-07-2011, 08:04 AM
Vrabel and Washington with the same grade?

I reject that.

milkman
09-07-2011, 08:09 AM
ROFL

Yeah thats it Milkman...

and what am I too stupid to care about? I would really like to know...

Most of us recognize that posts with people's thoughts about a player, a team, a draft, whatever, are opinions.

You're too stupid to understand that we shouldn't have to make it a point to state that these are opinions.

gblowfish
09-07-2011, 08:10 AM
Ask me this question next Monday...

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 08:23 AM
Most of us recognize that posts with people's thoughts about a player, a team, a draft, whatever, are opinions.

You're too stupid to understand that we shouldn't have to make it a point to state that these are opinions.

Phew, Man I thought I was too stupid to care about something important..

Thanks for the calification buddy, I feel much better now...:thumb:

Deberg_1990
09-07-2011, 08:24 AM
I wonder what grade Pioli would give the Chiefsplanet members at their jobs??

Nightfyre
09-07-2011, 08:31 AM
Some of you guys take this shit entirely too seriously. Its funny to see you get all butthurt white knighting for pioli in a thread on a football forum. Heaven forbid we put up threads for the sake of generating discussion about football.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 08:37 AM
IMO, Pioli and Haley are freaking saviors of this franchise....

They both get A ****ing +'s.... Why? Because they are not Carl, Marty, Gunter or Herm....

They seem to have a plan, direction and they dont give two shits about the KC media and/or the wanna be GM's... All they seem to care about is building a team they feal will compete for championships...

Its been a long long time since we had that in KC...

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 08:45 AM
So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

STFU and get back under the table.

talk about them all you want.....back it up with some facts vs. opinions.
for example: Cassel is not a very good qb because...INT"S TD's Completions.....get the picture? Or do I need to draw you one?

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 08:47 AM
His first draft was an F-, but he did get a late start. If only he had of deferred that draft to our draftabulators, this team would be Super Bowl bound.

His next two have been stellar, and this team seems to no longer be devoid of talent. I love the fire Haley brings, and his self confidence to do it his own way.

I would give Pioli a solid B+.

excellent point.......all the experts on here need to get them a job as GM, Coach or buy a team

milkman
09-07-2011, 08:51 AM
talk about them all you want.....back it up with some facts vs. opinions.
for example: Cassel is not a very good qb because...INT"S TD's Completions.....get the picture? Or do I need to draw you one?

Stats mean jack.

notorious
09-07-2011, 08:52 AM
Grade by the curve.



Superbowl Champions = A

Herm Era = F



Pioli earns a solid B for improvement at every single position on the field and rejuvinating the fanbase.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 08:54 AM
Stats mean jack.

And so do our opinions.....

Only thing that matters is W/L records and championships...

Chief Faithful
09-07-2011, 08:56 AM
Never going to hit on every player, but they seem to hit much more frequently. I think this is because now they have an idea what they are looking for in ability and character. They also seem to have a methodology that works for screening the talent.

My grade for Pioli is an A.

milkman
09-07-2011, 08:57 AM
And so do our opinions.....

Only thing that matters is W/L records and championships...

Yes, our opinions really do mean jack.

So let's just shut down these type of forums.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 08:58 AM
Yes, our opinions really do mean jack.

So let's just shut down these type of forums.

You lead the charge Milkman... You go get'em.

Messier
09-07-2011, 08:58 AM
It's really hard to grade Pioli right now, but you'd have to say he's done about everything you could ask of him so far. Draft is too much of a crap shoot to blame or credit any one person for. Haley may or may not be the right coach for the long term, but I don't think it's just a coincidence that he managed to get the most out of players like Bowe and Johnson.

Cassel is a middle of the pack QB, but to give up just a 2nd for him, and Vrable is a really good deal.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-07-2011, 09:00 AM
All that matters is that the collection of talent he does assemble wins a championship in the next couple of years.

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 09:01 AM
Stats mean jack.

looks like you and stats have something in common

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 09:03 AM
looks like you and stats have something in common


Milkman is a reasonable and very good guy.. Its just fun to push his buttons every now and then....

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 09:14 AM
Milkman is a reasonable and very good guy.. Its just fun to push his buttons every now and then....

he is...and you are right. we seldom get a chance to give him a good whack

Chief Faithful
09-07-2011, 09:23 AM
Milkman is a reasonable and very good guy.. Its just fun to push his buttons every now and then....

You are right, I like reading Milkman's football takes, then someone will say something stupid in reponse and he can never let it alone. The corresponding stupidness is fun although it can go on too long if he is verbally jousting with another who can't leave the last comment alone. After a while the whole debate just devolves into a stupidfest, which can also be fun. :PPL:

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 09:27 AM
excellent point.......all the experts on here need to get them a job as GM, Coach or buy a team

Well to be honest, they would have outperformed Pioli on that first draft, but I think he has more than made up for it, on the next two. He did very well IMO.

But I am still kind of perturbed that the team had 3 top 5 picks in a row (never before!) and did not take a shot at a legit franchise QB. I really like two of the picks, and hope the Jackson pick pans out to some degree, but I would have loved to have seen them take a shot at a QB.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 09:27 AM
he is...and you are right. we seldom get a chance to give him a good whack

You are right, I like reading Milkman's football takes, then someone will say something stupid in reponse and he can never let it alone. The corresponding stupidness is fun although it can go on too long if he is verbally jousting with another who can't leave the last comment alone. After a while the whole debate just devolves into a stupidfest, which can also be fun. :PPL:


As long as we dont cause the old guy to stroke out.. All will be fine.

nascher
09-07-2011, 09:31 AM
You have to add Salary Cap Room Chiefs are Number 1 in the NFL and the Team is very young now.

Chiefnj2
09-07-2011, 09:32 AM
In year 3 the team should make the playoffs and be able to win a game.

Predarat
09-07-2011, 09:33 AM
I give Pioli a C+.

Chief Faithful
09-07-2011, 09:35 AM
Well to be honest, they would have outperformed Pioli on that first draft, but I think he has more than made up for it, on the next two. He did very well IMO.

But I am still kind of perturbed that the team had 3 top 5 picks in a row (never before!) and did not take a shot at a legit franchise QB. I really like two of the picks, and hope the Jackson pick pans out to some degree, but I would have loved to have seen them take a shot at a QB.

I have to give Pioli some slack for the first draft as the scouting department was still made up of Peterson disciples. It wasn't until the second draft that we start to see the Pioli style come through.

Fish
09-07-2011, 09:36 AM
Milkman is a reasonable and very good guy.. Its just fun to push his buttons every now and then....

he is...and you are right. we seldom get a chance to give him a good whack

Fuck you guys and your pushing buttons. You clutter the threads for personal amusement that nobody else gives two shits about. And then laugh it off saying it's just some ribbing between old buddies, ha ha. Well it's annoying as hell, and nobody sees it the way you do. I understand exactly why milkman replies the way he does to you.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 09:38 AM
**** you guys and your pushing buttons. You clutter the threads for personal amusement that nobody else gives two shits about. And then laugh it off saying it's just some ribbing between old buddies, ha ha. Well it's annoying as hell, and nobody sees it the way you do. I understand exactly why milkman replies the way he does to you.

Holy Shit...

ROFL

ChiefButthurt
09-07-2011, 09:50 AM
A HC does not have to work with or conform to other coaches. It's his team. Period.

But that HC better learn how to get the most from his "field supervisors" aka coaches. If he doesn't, his days are numbered....actually his time would just be shorten, most all get fired eventually.

Pestilence
09-07-2011, 09:50 AM
Holy Shit...

ROFL

Yeah....except the truth is....that Milkman actually brings something to this board. You don't.

ChiefButthurt
09-07-2011, 09:51 AM
The Weis breakup is a sign of weakness in Haley.

THIS

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 09:52 AM
I have to give Pioli some slack for the first draft as the scouting department was still made up of Peterson disciples. It wasn't until the second draft that we start to see the Pioli style come through.I agree with you for the most part, as mentioned in my first post in this thread. And I have said it many times before, including the first draft thread.

But that being said, to only hit on Mr. Irrelevant is below what almost anyone on this board would have done, by just reading the draftabulator posts.

I am sure Pioli cashed his paycheck that week, so he does need to take some of the responsibility IMO for that draft failure. It will always be part of his body of work.

Brock
09-07-2011, 09:52 AM
Yeah....except the truth is....that Milkman actually brings something to this board. You don't.

x2

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 09:52 AM
Yeah....except the truth is....that Milkman actually brings something to this board. You don't.

Bring about as much as you do... So whats your point?

I really dont give a shit if you care about my opinion or not... Makes zero difference in your life or mine...

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 09:53 AM
x2

X3

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 09:53 AM
**** you guys and your pushing buttons. You clutter the threads for personal amusement that nobody else gives two shits about. And then laugh it off saying it's just some ribbing between old buddies, ha ha. Well it's annoying as hell, and nobody sees it the way you do. I understand exactly why milkman replies the way he does to you.

LMAO like we care.

milkman
09-07-2011, 09:53 AM
Bring about as much as you do... So whats your point?

I really dont give a shit if you care about my opinion or not... Makes zero difference in your life or mine...

What opinion?

chris
09-07-2011, 09:54 AM
As if any of you are qualified to evaluate job performance of an NFL GM.

I give you all an F on your attempt. It was humorous though.

REP!

Pestilence
09-07-2011, 09:54 AM
What opinion?

He only has two.

1. HERM SUX0RS!!!!!!
2. LEAVE MATT CASSEL ALONE!!!!

chris
09-07-2011, 09:56 AM
So we can't talk about anything then? We can't talk about player eval because we're not a GM. We can't talk about any of the coaches because we've never been a coach. We can't talk about Cassel because none of us have ever been an NFL QB.

STFU and get back under the table.

Lame

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 09:57 AM
He only has two.

1. HERM SUX0RS!!!!!!
2. LEAVE MATT CASSEL ALONE!!!!

1. Welcome to 3 years ago... Way to be on top of your game..

2. Agian, I could careless if Cassel is the QB or not. He isnt the future of this franchise no matter how many times you tell me he is... (see I can accuse you of false shit too)...

Direckshun
09-07-2011, 09:57 AM
2009: F. Bad draft. Firing OC 2 weeks before the season. Haley over his head. DC that didn't fit.

2010: A. Good draft. Hired 2 very good coordinators. Team overachieves and makes playoffs.

2011: Inc.

This.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 09:57 AM
What opinion?

that one..

Fish
09-07-2011, 10:11 AM
Bring about as much as you do... So whats your point?

I really dont give a shit if you care about my opinion or not... Makes zero difference in your life or mine...

Yes... every 4th or 5th post of yours reminds us just how little you care...

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 10:14 AM
Yes... every 4th or 5th post of yours reminds us just how little you care...
:deevee:

Reerun doesnt care....


:deevee:


and I dont care the you thought Herm didnt get a fair shake in the end either...

:thumb:

Mr. Laz
09-07-2011, 10:49 AM
Pioli gets a B+ because he turned the Chiefs around faster than any of us thought he would. He's a really good talent evaluator, which bodes well for use long term.

He does have his weaknesses

1. Haley - i'm not sure about him at all. He could turn into Goonther Cunningham in a heartbeat imo.

2. Slow mover - maybe his strength and his weakness. He is just not going to be reckless about things and that also means he will miss a few chances.

3. Free agency - also a strength and a weakness. He won't go nuts and screw shit up in free agency. But he also going to miss out on some real chances to gain talent because he just doesn't believe that Free Agency is generally worth the risk.

OnTheWarpath58
09-07-2011, 10:54 AM
Pioli gets a B+ because he turned the Chiefs around faster than any of us thought he would.

Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

Rooster
09-07-2011, 11:06 AM
Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

IMO that is a very real possibility.

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 11:08 AM
Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

I can honestly see that happening with this schedule, and this QB. But, even at 7-9, it is heading in the right direction with all this young talent.

whoman69
09-07-2011, 11:09 AM
Lame

Tell me why we're here then. Are we all just supposed to be cheerleaders. Put on your skirt, missy, and go back to the sidelines.

Chiefnj2
09-07-2011, 11:10 AM
I can honestly see that happening with this schedule, and this QB. But, even at 7-9, it is heading in the right direction with all this young talent.

IMO 7-9 is not heading in the right direction (barring unforeseen injuries).

OnTheWarpath58
09-07-2011, 11:11 AM
I can honestly see that happening with this schedule, and this QB. But, even at 7-9, it is heading in the right direction with all this young talent.

If this team has as much talent as some of you claim (not specifically you, Ed) this team should win at least 9 games.

You can't ignore the schedule in 2010 and then use it as an excuse in 2011.

King_Chief_Fan
09-07-2011, 11:12 AM
Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?

tougher schedule and growing pains with rookies cause me to think it could be as you indicated

Mr. Laz
09-07-2011, 11:13 AM
Just playing Devil's Advocate, no need for some of you to get your panties in a bunch, but...

Has he officially "turned this team around?"

What if this team goes 6-10 or 7-9 this year?
we have no idea what is going to happen in the future. If you take that into consideration then every grade for Pioli will be incomplete until the team actually wins the super bowl.

When Pioli inherited the team it was heading down and had won 4 games iirc. Two years with Pioli and the team is heading up and won 10 games and a division.

I consider that turning it around.

We don't know if that success will continue but this is a grade request not a prediction request.


btw i've already said the Chiefs could actually be a better team this year and end up with a worse record because of the SOS. I was hammered for it but i still believe it.

Chiefnj2
09-07-2011, 11:14 AM
If this team has as much talent as some of you claim (not specifically you, Ed) this team should win at least 9 games.

You can't ignore the schedule in 2010 and then use it as an excuse in 2011.

Exactly. I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.

OnTheWarpath58
09-07-2011, 11:17 AM
I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.

This. A million times this.

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 11:18 AM
If this team has as much talent as some of you claim (not specifically you, Ed) this team should win at least 9 games.

You can't ignore the schedule in 2010 and then use it as an excuse in 2011.

The schedule was very soft last year, anyone that says different has their head buried in the sand.

Give me the NFC West every year please, 40% of the team's win total. They may not win a single game against the NFC this year, it would not surprise me.

So that right there could be the difference between 10-6 and 6-10.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 11:18 AM
This. A million times this.

Agreed...

OnTheWarpath58
09-07-2011, 11:20 AM
The schedule was very soft last year, anyone that says different has their head buried in the sand.

Give me the NFC West every year please, 40% of the team's win total. They may not win a single game against the NFC this year, it would not surprise me.

So that right there could be the difference between 10-6 and 6-10.

As NJ said, good teams beat other good teams.

If this team has as much talent as some people think, and are "turned around" as others think, there's no reason to win fewer than 9 games.

milkman
09-07-2011, 11:20 AM
I think the talent on this roster is capable of competing with most of the teams in the league.

67% of games last season were decided by a touchdown or less.

That's one or two plays a game that decide the outcome.

This team's fortunes, as I've said numerous times, lies squarely on Cassel.

The plays he makes, or fails to make, could be the difference between 10-6 or 6-10.

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 11:21 AM
Exactly. I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.It was not meant as an excuse, sorry you took it that way.

If you think this team is good enough, and are far enough along for the schedule not to matter, I do not. They got 4 wins last year, that could be 4 losses this year.

Are they headed in the right direction? Yes, but they are sure not elite yet.

They are not Pittsburgh, New England, San Diego, or Green Bay.

***Matt Cassel***

the Talking Can
09-07-2011, 11:23 AM
It was not meant as an excuse, sorry you took it that way.

If you think this team is good enough, and are far enough along for the schedule not to matter, I do not. They got 4 wins last year, that could be 4 losses this year.

Are they headed in the right direction? Yes, but they are sure not elite yet.

They are not Pittsburgh, New England, San Diego, or Green Bay.


the only real difference is at QB....but we're not supposed to talk about that


point is, as milkman said, this season comes down to Cassel...if he's the superstar that reerun and that weirdo pats fan says he is, then we're fine...

Mr. Laz
09-07-2011, 11:33 AM
Exactly. I hate this built in schedule excuse. Good teams beat other good teams.

This. A million times this.

Agreed...
this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 11:35 AM
the only real difference is at QB....but we're not supposed to talk about that


point is, as milkman said, this season comes down to Cassel...if he's the superstar that reerun and that weirdo pats fan says he is, then we're fine...

Agreed, and as per my previous posts, I went back and put Cassel in stars on the post you quoted.

If only he could play like he did in Seattle last year, that was almost like a fantasy coming true. The team was obviously there all along, Cassel was clearly the difference.

I must admit though, he looked pretty good up in Green Bay after a couple series. Bowe was just sick though, catching everything in the general area.

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 11:38 AM
this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.

This! A thousand times this! This is what I was trying to say.

milkman
09-07-2011, 11:38 AM
this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.

I think there's only 3 elite teams.

Green Bay, Pittsburg and New England.

Bewbies
09-07-2011, 11:44 AM
I think the talent on this roster is capable of competing with most of the teams in the league.

67% of games last season were decided by a touchdown or less.

That's one or two plays a game that decide the outcome.

This team's fortunes, as I've said numerous times, lies squarely on Cassel.

The plays he makes, or fails to make, could be the difference between 10-6 or 6-10.

Bingo.

Chief Faithful
09-07-2011, 11:44 AM
I agree with you for the most part, as mentioned in my first post in this thread. And I have said it many times before, including the first draft thread.

But that being said, to only hit on Mr. Irrelevant is below what almost anyone on this board would have done, by just reading the draftabulator posts.

I am sure Pioli cashed his paycheck that week, so he does need to take some of the responsibility IMO for that draft failure. It will always be part of his body of work.

Yeah, it was a bad draft, yet it was still better than many of the Peterson era drafts plus, 2009 has proven to be a bad draft for many teams. You are right, Pioli owns the 2009 draft, but I don't think it is a good representation of what we will see in the future. I believe the 2010 &11 drafts are a better representation. Under Pioli and the new scouting department they just seem to be more prepared and informed. Plus, they are not looking for the best talent they are looking for the right talent, which tells me they have a template. Scouting can me much easier when you know what you are looking to find.

Mr. Laz
09-07-2011, 11:51 AM
I think there's only 3 elite teams.

Green Bay, Pittsburg and New England.
fair enough ... but the concept still stands

Good =/= Elite

Elite teams get their wins no matter the schedule but everyone else is effected in various degrees by their SOS.

Chief Faithful
09-07-2011, 11:52 AM
I think the talent on this roster is capable of competing with most of the teams in the league.

67% of games last season were decided by a touchdown or less.

That's one or two plays a game that decide the outcome.

This team's fortunes, as I've said numerous times, lies squarely on Cassel.

The plays he makes, or fails to make, could be the difference between 10-6 or 6-10.

To me the ability of Cassel to make plays is only half the equation. I believe Haley when he says the team is not at the point where it can make mistakes and still win.

boogblaster
09-07-2011, 11:54 AM
he's try'n ... hopefully he gets it done ....

Chiefnj2
09-07-2011, 11:58 AM
People say the Packers are elite, yet they finished 10-6 and lost to teams like the Skins and Dolphins.

In your third year of a rebuild you should have turned a corner and you should be able to beat some playoff teams. If they can only beat sub .500 teams, then they haven't turned the corner and realistically aren't any better than the Herm Edward's Chiefs.

milkman
09-07-2011, 11:59 AM
To me the ability of Cassel to make plays is only half the equation. I believe Haley when he says the team is not at the point where it can make mistakes and still win.

I think that's true for all but the elite teams.

And it's still true for them, just to a lesser extent.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 12:00 PM
the only real difference is at QB....but we're not supposed to talk about that


point is, as milkman said, this season comes down to Cassel...if he's the superstar that reerun and that weirdo pats fan says he is, then we're fine...


Holy shit this day just gets better and better...

Now Cassel is superstar? Oh please please find the post where I have said this...

Otherwise your nothing more than a talking head like your boy Herm...

milkman
09-07-2011, 12:00 PM
People say the Packers are elite, yet they finished 10-6 and lost to teams like the Skins and Dolphins.

In your third year of a rebuild you should have turned a corner and you should be able to beat some playoff teams. If they can only beat sub .500 teams, then they haven't turned the corner and realistically aren't any better than the Herm Edward's Chiefs.

The Pack lost 16 players (I think) to injury at some point during last season.

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-07-2011, 12:03 PM
The schedule was very soft last year, anyone that says different has their head buried in the sand.

Give me the NFC West every year please, 40% of the team's win total. They may not win a single game against the NFC this year, it would not surprise me.

So that right there could be the difference between 10-6 and 6-10.

and???? It sure the hell beats losing to those same shitty teams. If Oakland had swept the NFC West, they'd have been division champs, same goes for the Bolts. No game is a gimme in the NFL. I'm as much tired as the "tough schedule" BS as I am the "weak schedule" one. You play who your dealt and take care of business.

morphius
09-07-2011, 12:04 PM
this is the biggest twisted piece of crap ever

'good' is an extremely relative term

Houston is a good team but saying that winning against them is the same as winning against the Steelers is just plain stupid.

every year in the NFL there are 8 or so elite teams that will get their wins no matter what. There are also around 8 crappy teams that aren't going to make it regardless. The rest of the teams in the league have their win/loss record go up and down based on SOS.

So technically yes "good teams win no matter what" but only the elite type teams.

There is huge grey area around that statement.

The Chiefs are NOT elite yet so they can still be a better team than last year and have a worse record because of their SOS.
The way I look at it is as simple as we only have 2 games different than everyone else in the AFC West, that's it. If we beat the second place AFC West team twice that makes up for any disadvantage we have in the 2 possibly harder games.

the Talking Can
09-07-2011, 12:06 PM
Holy shit this day just gets better and better...

Now Cassel is superstar? Oh please please find the post where I have said this...

Otherwise your nothing more than a talking head like your boy Herm...

you're the king butt hurt Cassel white knight....you own that


and the truth remains...the only difference between us and those "good" teams is QB...

if Brady played for us, and Cassel played for New England...we'd be the 'good' team...same for Rothelessburger...same for Green Bay...same for anyone

but thankfully, according to you, Cassel is awesome...so we're Golden

Chiefnj2
09-07-2011, 12:11 PM
and the truth remains...the only difference between us and those "good" teams is QB...



A better QB can cure everything. TJax will be a force against the run, WRs will get open, Richardson won't be a swinging gate, short yardage runs won't be stuffed, etc.

milkman
09-07-2011, 12:13 PM
A better QB can cure everything. TJax will be a force against the run, WRs will get open, Richardson won't be a swinging gate, short yardage runs won't be stuffed, etc.

What was the Patriot defensive ranking last year?

Who was their RT?

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 12:13 PM
I think the talent on this roster is capable of competing with most of the teams in the league.

67% of games last season were decided by a touchdown or less.

That's one or two plays a game that decide the outcome.

This team's fortunes, as I've said numerous times, lies squarely on Cassel.

The plays he makes, or fails to make, could be the difference between 10-6 or 6-10.

Most of it does rely on Cassel, I dont argue that. But I do argue that this team cant afford mistakes and still win...

IE the Indy game last year... Being at that game, We were very competitive, but take away Charles fumbles, Bowes TD drop and DJ's dropped pick six and its a totally different game.

That was a perfect example of not being able to over come mistakes... But over the course of the year, most of the critical situations comes down to Cassel.

At this point to me its the glass half full with Cassel, It could be better and it could be so much worse.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 12:14 PM
you're the king butt hurt Cassel white knight....you own that


and the truth remains...the only difference between us and those "good" teams is QB...

if Brady played for us, and Cassel played for New England...we'd be the 'good' team...same for Rothelessburger...same for Green Bay...same for anyone

but thankfully, according to you, Cassel is awesome...so we're Golden

:clap: Dude you are on a roll today...

Now I am Cassels White Knight?

:LOL:

and since you are adding racism to your posts, does this make you Herms Black Knight?

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-07-2011, 12:18 PM
What was the Patriot defensive ranking last year?

Who was their RT?

To add to that...boy that Packer run game sure was fearsome as well as thier O-line play.

milkman
09-07-2011, 12:21 PM
To add to that...boy that Packer run game sure was fearsome as well as thier O-line play.

Right.

Bottom line is this.

A good QB can't cure everything, but he can mask a lot of deficiencies, and in this era of parody and salary caps, every team has holes.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 12:22 PM
Right.

Bottom line is this.

A good QB can't cure everything, but he can mask a lot of deficiencies, and in this era of parody and salary caps, every team has holes.

Thats why there are only a handful of great teams, then there is everybody else..

Either you have one of the top few QB's or youre just another team...

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 12:24 PM
And right now, KC is just another team...

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 12:37 PM
Yeah, it was a bad draft, yet it was still better than many of the Peterson era drafts plus, 2009 has proven to be a bad draft for many teams. You are right, Pioli owns the 2009 draft, but I don't think it is a good representation of what we will see in the future. I believe the 2010 &11 drafts are a better representation. Under Pioli and the new scouting department they just seem to be more prepared and informed. Plus, they are not looking for the best talent they are looking for the right talent, which tells me they have a template. Scouting can me much easier when you know what you are looking to find.

Can't argue with that. Also, this year told me that they really do have a plan, instead of just doing the "cookie cutter" plan of getting a bunch of nice young men together (team captains). It showed me that they built a core of leaders, and good guys, and are willing to add some questionable high value/high ceiling guys, that aren't choir boys.

I love what is going on, and am still firmly on the bandwagon for the 43rd year.

But people that think playing Green Bay is the same as playing Arizona puzzle me. It is not the same, and should not be graded the same.

Bump
09-07-2011, 12:41 PM
I wouldn't say Baldwin is anywhere near the athletic ability of Fitzgerald. Fitz will be top 10 of all time with shitty quarterbacks (except an old Kurt Warner).

the Talking Can
09-07-2011, 12:42 PM
:clap: Dude you are on a roll today...

Now I am Cassels White Knight?

:LOL:

and since you are adding racism to your posts, does this make you Herms Black Knight?

?

do you drink?

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 12:44 PM
?

do you drink?

Yes but not at work....:thumb:

How about you? You a beer man or a Whiskey man?

the Talking Can
09-07-2011, 12:47 PM
Yes but not at work....:thumb:

How about you? You a beer man or a Whiskey man?

oh..you don't know what white knight means....got it


i was wondering how dumb someone had to be, to find it racist...now i know

HemiEd
09-07-2011, 12:48 PM
I wouldn't say Baldwin is anywhere near the athletic ability of Fitzgerald. Fitz will be top 10 of all time with shitty quarterbacks (except an old Kurt Warner).

Seeing Bowe in person, last week in Green Bay, gave me a lot of confidence in what Haley can do with a WR.

I know, woulda and shoulda etc. , but Bowe was nails in that game, that was decided and given away by 5 stupid turnovers. None of those were his fault, and he made the tackle, after running the guy down from behind, that picked up a Jamaal Charles fumble.

I think this team is just fine in the WR department, and I don't recall ever being able to say that. They may be able to overcome Cassel's 20% target rate.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 12:50 PM
oh..you don't know what white knight means....got it


i was wondering how dumb someone had to be, to find it racist...now i know


:facepalm:

Well that pretty much left me speachless... I dont have anything to say, nor can I help you out here anymore.

It was fun while it lasted... PM me your address and I will send you some new batteries for your sarcasm meter...

Mr. Laz
09-07-2011, 12:52 PM
The way I look at it is as simple as we only have 2 games different than everyone else in the AFC West, that's it. If we beat the second place AFC West team twice that makes up for any disadvantage we have in the 2 possibly harder games.
That still doesn't change the discussion about the Chiefs overall record being worse but the team being better this year.

I imagine the records in the AFC West are going to be lower as a hole this year.

anything can happen, but i see the Chargers as the only team with double digit wins in the AFCW this year. Only because i think they have finally had enough with underachieving label every year.

notorious
09-07-2011, 01:00 PM
Now I am Cassels White Knight?

:LOL:



1. You are White.


2. You slay dragons and save damsels in distress.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 01:02 PM
1. You are White.


2. You slay dragons and save damsels in distress.


:huh:

1. Dont be a racist

2. I dont play World of Warcraft online... Just by myself.....


:LOL:

Dang it. You are just making me feel stupid...

notorious
09-07-2011, 01:03 PM
:huh:

1. Dont be a racist

2. I dont play World of Warcraft online... Just by myself.....


:LOL:

Dang it. You are just making me feel stupid...


:D

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-07-2011, 01:05 PM
:huh:

1. Dont be a racist

2. I dont play World of Warcraft online... Just by myself.....


:LOL:

Dang it. You are just making me feel stupid...

Herm has a level 40 paladin, just so you know.

Reerun_KC
09-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Herm has a level 40 paladin, just so you know.

LOL

FYI I dont play WOW or anything like that.. I was using sarcasm...

morphius
09-07-2011, 03:01 PM
That still doesn't change the discussion about the Chiefs overall record being worse but the team being better this year.

I imagine the records in the AFC West are going to be lower as a hole this year.

anything can happen, but i see the Chargers as the only team with double digit wins in the AFCW this year. Only because i think they have finally had enough with underachieving label every year.
It would take an exceptional level of whiner to complain if our record is worse but we still win the division.

I'm not expecting that we will, 'cause I've learned that going in with low expectations numbs the pain :D