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Ugly Duck
09-07-2011, 05:29 PM
Who wants a Mormon as President? Dude believes that God is a flesh & blood man about 6 ft tall who lives the planet Kolob and had actual, real sex with Mary. He thinks Jesus came to America to preach to the Indians (who are actually Israelis). The Garden of Eden is in Missouri. His Prophet Joseph Smith warns against people who believe otherwise in his History of the Church: "The Personage who addressed me said that all other creeds are an abomination in His sight."

As crazy as Scientologists who believe that we are infested with the ghosts of murdered space aliens put there by the intergalactic emperor Xenu. Or the Egyptian Book of the Dead written in 1280 BC that describes the Son of God, Horus. Horus was born to a virgin mother, was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptist (who was later beheaded). He walked on water, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, cast out demons, and raised Asar (translates to "Lazarus") from the dead. Horus had 12 disciples, but was crucified. 3 days later, 2 women announced that Horus, the Savior of Humanity, had been resurrected.

The story of Horus is in sharp contrast to the much later & much more sensible story that Rick Perry believes - one that describes the Son of God Jesus. Jesus was born to a virgin mother, was baptized in a river by John the Baptist (who was later beheaded). He walked on water, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, cast out demons, and raised Lazarus from the dead. Jesus had 12 disciples, but was crucified. 3 days later, 2 women announced that Jesus, the Savior of Humanity, had been resurrected.

But the Horus & Jesus stories were written when people still believed that the earth was flat & you could heal a wound by spitting on it. As the Tea Party does, we look to the more modern Wisdom of the Founding Fathers to straighten out this mess:

"Christianity is the most perverse system that has ever shone on man." - Thomas Jefferson

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there was no religion in it." - John Adams

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin

mlyonsd
09-07-2011, 05:31 PM
Romney's crazy, Obama's a dope. What are ya gonna do.

BigRichard
09-07-2011, 05:33 PM
This will be fun.

Ugly Duck
09-07-2011, 05:40 PM
This will be fun.

Nah - it'll get some reads, but few responses...

http://www.kingsgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/dog_tail_legs_2.jpg

Bewbies
09-07-2011, 05:45 PM
Romney's beliefs shouldn't matter, maybe he never heard his pastor speaking for the last 20 years?

Jenson71
09-07-2011, 05:51 PM
Or the Egyptian Book of the Dead written in 1280 BC that describes the Son of God, Horus. Horus was born to a virgin mother, was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptist (who was later beheaded). He walked on water, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, cast out demons, and raised Asar (translates to "Lazarus") from the dead. Horus had 12 disciples, but was crucified. 3 days later, 2 women announced that Horus, the Savior of Humanity, had been resurrected.

Okay, none of this is true, despite the fact that it's repeated a lot on the internet. And by not true, I mean in the sense that, no Book of the Dead (written in 1280??) talks about an Anup the Baptist or anything of this sort. You have never read a scholarly text that talks about Horus like this because they don't exist. You got this information from a juvenile website.

This is a silly myth started in the last 120 years that is constantly repeated by people who like to debunk Christianity. The myth was started by an amateur historian, more of a conspiracy theorist, like people who think the government did 9/11.

Ugly Duck
09-07-2011, 05:55 PM
Romney's beliefs shouldn't matter, maybe he never heard his pastor speaking for the last 20 years?

I'm actually more worried about Perry. He believes that we should govern by telepathic communication with invisible dead people - but I don't think he does it right. In Texas, he prayed for rain but conjured up catastrophic wildfires instead. Lets hope he doesn't start praying for victory in the WOT or for reductions in the national debt - could get really bad....

mlyonsd
09-07-2011, 05:57 PM
I'm actually more worried about Perry. He believes that we should govern by telepathic communication with invisible dead people - but I don't think he does it right. In Texas, he prayed for rain but conjured up catastrophic wildfires instead. Lets hope he doesn't start praying for victory in the WOT or for reductions in the national debt - could get really bad....Ok, that was pretty good.:LOL:

Jenson71
09-07-2011, 05:59 PM
But the Horus & Jesus stories were written when people still believed that the earth was flat & you could heal a wound by spitting on it.

And this isn't true either. I'm sure some people believed the earth was flat, but why should they think any differently? That said, a lot of the educated viewed earth as a sphere. Aristotle certainly did. And nobody thought spitting on a wound healed it. How stupid do you think people are? People didn't just go around holding random thoughts that had no connection to real life experience.

Ugly Duck
09-07-2011, 06:06 PM
The myth was started by an amateur historian, more of a conspiracy theorist, like people who think the government did 9/11.

Lotta that pre-Jesus Jesus stuff going around....

Attis of Phrygia
--Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana.
--He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind.
--His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers
--His priests were “eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.”
--He was both the Divine Son and the Father.
--On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth.
--He descended into the underworld.
--After three days, Attis was resurrected on March 25 (as tradition held of Jesus) as the “Most High God.

Dionysus/Bacchus
--Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger.
--He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles.
--He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.”
--He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification.
--Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25.
--He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine.
--He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.”
--He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.”
--He was identified with the Ram or Lamb.
--His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.


Horus
--Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Merion December 25 in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
--His earthly father was named “Seb” (“Joseph”).
--He was of royal descent.
--At at 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized having disappeared for 18 years.
--Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by “Anup the Baptizer” (“John the Baptist”), who was decapitated.
--He had 12 desciples, two of who were his “witnesses” and were named “Anup” and “Aan” (the two “Johns”).
--He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus (“El-Osiris”), from the dead.
--Horus walked on water.
--His personal epithet was “Iusa,” the “ever-becoming son” of “Ptah,” the “Father.” He was thus called “Holy Child.”
--He delivered a “Sermon on the Mount” and his followers recounted the “Sayings of Iusa.”
--Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
--He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
--He was also the “Way, the Truth, the Light,” “Messiah,” “God’s Anointed Son,” “the “Son of Man,” the “Good Shepherd,” the “Lamb of God,” the “Word made flesh,” the “Word of Truth,” etc.
--He was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish (“Ichthys”), Lamb and Lion.
--He came to fulfill the Law.
--Horus was called “the KRST,” or “Anointed One.”
--Like Jesus, “Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years.”


Krishna
--Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (“Divine One”) on December 25.
--His earthly father was a carpenter, who was off in the city paying tax while Krishna was born.
--His birth was signaled by a star in the east and attended by angels and shepherds, at which time he was presented with spices.
--The heavenly hosts danced and sang at his birth.
--He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
--Krishna was anointed on the head with oil by a woman whom he healed.
--He is depicted as having his foot on the head of a serpent.
--He worked miracles and wonders, raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind.
--Krishna used parables to teach the people about charity and love, and he “lived poor and he loved the poor.”
--He castigated the clergy, charging them with “ambition and hypocrisy . . . Tradition says he fell victim to their vengeance.”
--Krishna’s “beloved disciple” was Arjuina or Ar-jouan (Jouhn).
--He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
--He gave his disciples the ability to work miracles.
--His path was “strewn with branches.”
--In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
--Krishna was killed around the age of 30, and the sun darkened at his death.
--He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven “in the sight of all men.”
--He was depicted on a cross with nail-holes in his feet, as well as having a heart emblem on his clothing.
--Krishna is the “lion of the tribe of Saki.”
--He was called the “Shepherd of God” and considered the “Redeemer,” “Firstborn,” “Sin-Bearer,” “Liberator,” “Universal Word.”
--He was deemed the “Son of God” and “our Lord and Savior,” who came to earth to die for man’s salvation.
--He was the second person of the Trinity.
--His disciples purportedly bestowed upon him the title “Jezeus,” or “Jeseus,” meaning “pure essence.”

Mithra of Persia
--Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds bearing gifts.
--He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
--He had 12 companions or disciples.
--Mithra’s followers were promised immortality.
--He performed miracles.
--As the “great bull of the Sun,” Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
--He was buried in atomb and after three days rose again.
--His resurrection was celebrated every year.
--He was called “the Good Shepherd” and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
--He was considered the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” [Word] “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
--His sacred day was Sunday, the “Lord’s Day,” hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
--Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter.
--His religion had a eucharist or “Lord’s Supper,” at which Mithra said, “He who shall nto eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.”
--“His annual sacrifice is the Passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement of pledge of moral and physical regeneration.”

Furthermore, the Vatican itself is built upon the papacy of Mithra, and the Christian hierarchy is nearly identical to the Mithraic version it replaced . . .
. . . Virtually all of the elements of the Catholic ritual, from miter to wafer to altar to doxology, are directly taken from earlier Pagan mystery religions.

Jenson71
09-07-2011, 06:09 PM
You want to go at this one by one? Let's start with Horus, professor. Where do you get this information about Horus?

HonestChieffan
09-07-2011, 06:25 PM
Neo-Pope vs Kook.

Round one.

Brock
09-07-2011, 06:31 PM
And this isn't true either. I'm sure some people believed the earth was flat, but why should they think any differently? That said, a lot of the educated viewed earth as a sphere. Aristotle certainly did. And nobody thought spitting on a wound healed it. How stupid do you think people are? People didn't just go around holding random thoughts that had no connection to real life experience.

You just need a good bleeding and some leeches. You'll be fine.

patteeu
09-07-2011, 06:44 PM
Mitt Romney is crazy. Crazy rich and successful.

Brock
09-07-2011, 06:50 PM
Mitt Romney is crazy. Crazy rich and successful.

Thanks, Dad!

Jenson71
09-07-2011, 06:56 PM
You just need a good bleeding and some leeches. You'll be fine.

Even that did some good, if done right, when appropriate (which is the problem if you don't know appropriateness).

Saul Good
09-07-2011, 07:03 PM
And this isn't true either. I'm sure some people believed the earth was flat, but why should they think any differently? That said, a lot of the educated viewed earth as a sphere. Aristotle certainly did. And nobody thought spitting on a wound healed it. How stupid do you think people are? People didn't just go around holding random thoughts that had no connection to real life experience.

Even much of the uneducated knew that the earth was round. Anyone who has ever watched a ship sail towards the horizon can watch it disappear from the bottom to the top. It's human nature to think of ourselves as smarter than generations past rather than the benefactors of ideas being expounded upon for centuries or more.

Brock
09-07-2011, 07:24 PM
Even that did some good, if done right, when appropriate (which is the problem if you don't know appropriateness).

No, it never did any good, and it was never appropriate.

Jenson71
09-07-2011, 07:29 PM
No, it never did any good, and it was never appropriate.

We still do it for people with too much iron in their blood, or when their blood is too thick, or they have too many red blood cells. We just have better tools than leeches.

orange
09-07-2011, 08:03 PM
Bleeding and leeches were child's play. For a real cure, trepanning was the way to go.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Hieronymus_Bosch_053_detail.jpg/325px-Hieronymus_Bosch_053_detail.jpg

http://www.braceface.com/medical/images/trepanning_diagrams_small.jpg

Saul Good
09-07-2011, 08:09 PM
No, it never did any good, and it was never appropriate.

Yes,it did and was.

go bowe
09-07-2011, 08:11 PM
We still do it for people with too much iron in their blood, or when their blood is too thick, or they have too many red blood cells. We just have better tools than leeches.

pfffffft...

new-fangled tools are not better than the natural remedy of using leeches...

ron paul told me so...

Ace Gunner
09-07-2011, 08:23 PM
Who wants a Mormon as President? Dude believes that God is a flesh & blood man about 6 ft tall who lives the planet Kolob and had actual, real sex with Mary. He thinks Jesus came to America to preach to the Indians (who are actually Israelis). The Garden of Eden is in Missouri. His Prophet Joseph Smith warns against people who believe otherwise in his History of the Church: "The Personage who addressed me said that all other creeds are an abomination in His sight."

As crazy as Scientologists who believe that we are infested with the ghosts of murdered space aliens put there by the intergalactic emperor Xenu. Or the Egyptian Book of the Dead written in 1280 BC that describes the Son of God, Horus. Horus was born to a virgin mother, was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptist (who was later beheaded). He walked on water, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, cast out demons, and raised Asar (translates to "Lazarus") from the dead. Horus had 12 disciples, but was crucified. 3 days later, 2 women announced that Horus, the Savior of Humanity, had been resurrected.

The story of Horus is in sharp contrast to the much later & much more sensible story that Rick Perry believes - one that describes the Son of God Jesus. Jesus was born to a virgin mother, was baptized in a river by John the Baptist (who was later beheaded). He walked on water, healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, cast out demons, and raised Lazarus from the dead. Jesus had 12 disciples, but was crucified. 3 days later, 2 women announced that Jesus, the Savior of Humanity, had been resurrected.

But the Horus & Jesus stories were written when people still believed that the earth was flat & you could heal a wound by spitting on it. As the Tea Party does, we look to the more modern Wisdom of the Founding Fathers to straighten out this mess:

"Christianity is the most perverse system that has ever shone on man." - Thomas Jefferson

"This would be the best of all possible worlds if there was no religion in it." - John Adams

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin

Don't worry about man. the next president is gonna turn 50 ****ing years of thievery around. Of course, every single person running with half a ****ing chance is part of the same ****ed up people that have been selling america away for a whore nickel in their pocket, but hey.. With all the sunshine, why ruin the vibe, right? right..

Amnorix
09-07-2011, 08:34 PM
You want to go at this one by one? Let's start with Horus, professor. Where do you get this information about Horus?


I'm not going to get into a blow by blow, but I think it's inarguable that Christianity incorporated a number of concepts that had existed in other religions. The celebration of Christmas on the Roman holiday for the winter solstice, etc.

Jenson71
09-07-2011, 08:39 PM
I'm not going to get into a blow by blow, but I think it's inarguable that Christianity incorporated a number of concepts that had existed in other religions. The celebration of Christmas on the Roman holiday for the winter solstice, etc.

I won't argue that; it's well accepted, and in one case, Judaism, it is embraced as doctrine. But so often, it's like your signature, and people make stuff up, like this Horus business. A complete fabrication that anyone with a degree in Egyptology can dismiss easily.

Dave Lane
09-07-2011, 08:45 PM
Don't worry about man. the next president is gonna turn 50 ****ing years of thievery around. Of course, every single person running with half a ****ing chance is part of the same ****ed up people that have been selling america away for a whore nickel in their pocket, but hey.. With all the sunshine, why ruin the vibe, right? right..

Just an odd question. By any chance would you happen to be insane?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-07-2011, 09:14 PM
pfffffft...

new-fangled tools are not better than the natural remedy of using leeches...

ron paul told me so...

If that's what you get from Ron Paul you need a checkup from the neckup.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-07-2011, 09:17 PM
I'm not going to get into a blow by blow, but I think it's inarguable that Christianity incorporated a number of concepts that had existed in other religions. The celebration of Christmas on the Roman holiday for the winter solstice, etc.

Well ya, and those things are not Christian. Jesus never celebrated Christmas, Ishtar and Christmas are totally unscriptural.

Reaper16
09-07-2011, 09:43 PM
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Ace Gunner
09-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Just an odd question. By any chance would you happen to be insane?

the answer you seek is in this video at the three - forty mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKbAjKj4MLg

ClevelandBronco
09-07-2011, 10:08 PM
Neo-Pope vs Kook.

Round one.

Jenson will tear him a new asshole without breaking a sweat.

patteeu
09-07-2011, 10:30 PM
No, it never did any good, and it was never appropriate.

They still use leeches today in modern, American hospitals, although not very often.

ClevelandBronco
09-07-2011, 11:05 PM
They still use leeches today in modern, American hospitals, although not very often.

Post-op thing in some cases, isn't it?

BucEyedPea
09-07-2011, 11:27 PM
Mitt's a kook!

patteeu
09-08-2011, 05:43 AM
Post-op thing in some cases, isn't it?

Yeah, something to do with vascular surgery iirc.

evenfall
09-08-2011, 07:13 AM
Yeah, something to do with vascular surgery iirc.

They're helpful to restore circulation in situations where capillaries have been damaged, until they can heal.

evenfall
09-08-2011, 07:28 AM
You want to go at this one by one? Let's start with Horus, professor. Where do you get this information about Horus?

If you ever get to Mithra, you might let him know that those facts are wrong. Mithra was born a full grown man out of a rock, and he never died, instead he starred (no pun intended) in some astrology-like stories around the sun being a bull.

There is little to be compared except the December 25 thing, but nobody in the church or out claims that is the real DOB of Jesus