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Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 06:45 PM
Turning the table on another threadÖ In what area are the Chiefs better than the Chargers?
I might give you the running game, but I'm curious to hear a Chiefs homer's view of how they could possibly think that the Chiefs could win the division this year...
(BTW - I know I'm trolling and I apologize:))

Shaid
09-07-2011, 06:47 PM
corners, safeties, linebackers......

Douche Baggins
09-07-2011, 06:47 PM
Coaching.

DaFace
09-07-2011, 06:47 PM
Coaching, which trumps a lot.
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Dr. Facebook Fever
09-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Stadium

tailgating

use of the color red

more handsome head coach

rocknrolla
09-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Crazy old OC's!

milkman
09-07-2011, 06:48 PM
The midwest.

Buck
09-07-2011, 06:49 PM
Quarterback - Chargers
O-Line - Chargers
Running Back - Chiefs
Receivers - Chargers
Tight End - Chargers

D-Line - Chiefs
Linebackers - Chiefs
Secondary - Chiefs

Shaid
09-07-2011, 06:50 PM
I'd say fans but that's not even fair since you only have like one.

beach tribe
09-07-2011, 06:50 PM
RB
FB
WR
LB
CB
S
ST

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 06:50 PM
So far, I'll give you tailgating...

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-07-2011, 06:51 PM
So far, I'll give you tailgating...

I win.

beach tribe
09-07-2011, 06:51 PM
So far, I'll give you tailgating...

Record lol

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 06:52 PM
So far, I'll give you tailgating...

You honestly don't give us the running backs and corners? How is that not homer on your part?

David.
09-07-2011, 06:52 PM
I think the only thing that matters is Rivers >>>>>Cassel. Unless sandyeggo blows it again this year, I'm worried.

beach tribe
09-07-2011, 06:52 PM
You honestly don't give us the running backs and corners? How is that not homer on your part?

And safeties, and LBs

KurtCobain
09-07-2011, 06:52 PM
Quarterback.

Ours isn't a pussy.

Buck
09-07-2011, 06:53 PM
Quarterback.

Ours isn't a pussy.

Our QB is the anti-pussy, actually.

AustinChief
09-07-2011, 06:55 PM
Quarterback - Chargers
O-Line - Chargers
Running Back - Chiefs
Receivers - Chargers
Tight End - Chargers

D-Line - Chiefs
Linebackers - Chiefs
Secondary - Chiefs

This is pretty spot on. If Baldwin pans out, we may be pretty close on WRs but that determination is a ways away.

WV
09-07-2011, 06:55 PM
Quarterback.

Ours isn't a pussy.

Don't confuse pussy with whiney bitch.

AustinChief
09-07-2011, 06:56 PM
Our QB is the anti-pussy, actually.

he isn't a pussy, but he is a a bit of a whiner.. an extremely talented whiner... but still a whiner.

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 06:56 PM
And safeties, and LBs

I agree. I think Buck said it best. I was just pointing out two that, even being a little biased, you would think a Charger fan would admit to.

CoMoChief
09-07-2011, 07:00 PM
QB
TE
OL

Thats about it. There's an argument for WR....but I think we now have more depth.

Rain Man
09-07-2011, 07:00 PM
The Chargers' rookies should be better than ours because they drafted so much higher. We'll see, though.

rocknrolla
09-07-2011, 07:01 PM
The midwest.

Agreed.

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 07:03 PM
he isn't a pussy, but he is a a bit of a whiner.. an extremely talented whiner... but still a whiner.

I wouldn't mind his bitching, even to the refs, if he just took it as well as he dished it out. He throws a TD he is in everybodys face. Jared Allen sacks him, he acts like, how dare you talk crap to me, thats unsportsmanlike.

munkey
09-07-2011, 07:03 PM
I think the only thing that matters is Rivers >>>>>Cassel. Unless sandyeggo blows it again this year, I'm worried.

ditto....

Buck
09-07-2011, 07:05 PM
I wouldn't mind his bitching, even to the refs, if he just took it as well as he dished it out. He throws a TD he is in everybodys face. Jared Allen sacks him, he acts like, how dare you talk crap to me, thats unsportsmanlike.

Every trash talker is the same. They gloat when victorious and look pissed when they lose. It's not like Rivers invented that persona.

Mr. Laz
09-07-2011, 07:07 PM
as skeptical as i am about Haley he is still better than Norv

Shaid
09-07-2011, 07:10 PM
So far, I'll give you tailgating...

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cabletech94
09-07-2011, 07:10 PM
haley's neck > norv's neck

rocknrolla
09-07-2011, 07:12 PM
as skeptical as i am about Haley he is still better than Norv

That's saying a lot coming from you. :thumb:

GoHuge
09-07-2011, 07:15 PM
Chargers are much better at playing down to the level of their competition.........they've proven that over many years.

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 07:16 PM
Every trash talker is the same. They gloat when victorious and look pissed when they lose. It's not like Rivers invented that persona.

Fair enough.

milkman
09-07-2011, 07:18 PM
You honestly don't give us the running backs and corners? How is that not homer on your part?

Not just the corners, but the secondary as a whole.

And I owuldn't trade our LBs for theirs either.

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 07:20 PM
Not just the corners, but the secondary as a whole.

And I owuldn't trade our LBs for theirs either.

I agree with you. Like I said, I just mentioned the two big ones because I couldn't understand how even a biased SD fan wouldn't agree with those two.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 07:20 PM
So far I've got the following:
-tailgating
-running game
The LB argument has not been backed up with any factual info, nor has the safety argument, (Bob Sanders = AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 2007)

Bowser
09-07-2011, 07:22 PM
So far I've got the following:
-tailgating
-running game
The LB argument has not been backed up with any factual info, nor has the safety argument, (Bob Sanders = AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 2007)

Bob Sanders is a broke dick, and this has been backed up by the fact that he is a broke dick year after year. We win.

milkman
09-07-2011, 07:23 PM
So far I've got the following:
-tailgating
-running game
The LB argument has not been backed up with any factual info, nor has the safety argument, (Bob Sanders = AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 2007)

Bob Sanders has played more than 6 games in a season twice in his career, and has only played 9 games in the last 3 years.

You're going to hang your hat on that?

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 07:24 PM
So far I've got the following:
-tailgating
-running game
The LB argument has not been backed up with any factual info, nor has the safety argument, (Bob Sanders = AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 2007)

He is going to have to stay healthy to do anything. What do you think of the corners?

DaFace
09-07-2011, 07:26 PM
So far I've got the following:
-tailgating
-running game
The LB argument has not been backed up with any factual info, nor has the safety argument, (Bob Sanders = AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 2007)

:spock: You really are trolling, aren't you. Hell, going into 2007, Larry Johnson was considered to be an elite RB.

whoman69
09-07-2011, 07:43 PM
Where would you have ranked the Chiefs better last year? Record at the end of the season.

matthews1733
09-07-2011, 07:51 PM
he isn't a pussy, but he is a a bit of a whiner.. an extremely talented whiner... but still a whiner.

how about "The dont run score finger pointing to the opponent coach cry baby Haley"?

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 07:53 PM
how about "The dont run score finger pointing to the opponent coach cry baby Haley"?

He apoligized for his actions, don't remember Rivers ever doing the same. To be honest, I was more angered by LT's bitching after the Patriots game then anything Rivers has ever done. In the end, as much as I hate him, I would love to have that guy on my team.

cabletech94
09-07-2011, 07:53 PM
how about "The dont run score finger pointing to the opponent coach cry baby Haley"?

in?

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 07:54 PM
He is going to have to stay healthy to do anything. What do you think of the corners?

IMO they're even. Jammer might put the Bolts over the top due to his physical style of play.

David.
09-07-2011, 07:56 PM
IMO they're even. Jammer might put the Bolts over the top due to his physical style of play.

LMAO well that's just adorable.

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 07:57 PM
IMO they're even. Jammer might put the Bolts over the top due to his physical style of play.

I think you underestimate Brandon Carr. To be fair though, I think some Chiefs fans still do as well so I can't really get on a Charger fan for doing the same.

As for Sanders, if you get the Sanders from 07 and he stays healthy, well your safties will really make some noise this season. I personally think thats a really big IF, considering how IND handled it. The evidence starts to form this Sunday, and isn't that just awesome.

Cephalic Trauma
09-07-2011, 07:59 PM
So far I've got the following:
-tailgating
-running game
The LB argument has not been backed up with any factual info, nor has the safety argument, (Bob Sanders = AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year 2007)

Holy **** that's a really stupid comment to make. How can you scold some posters here for being homers when your secondary argument is centered around a guy who is the epitome of a broke dick?

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 08:01 PM
:spock: You really are trolling, aren't you. Hell, going into 2007, Larry Johnson was considered to be an elite RB.

I like Berry. but I think when you have Weddle and a healthy Sanders it make the equation more interesting in term of the competition at safety.

The Bad Guy
09-07-2011, 08:03 PM
LOL at Jammer being even remotely close to Brandon Flowers or even Brandon Carr.

Jammer sucks.

The Bad Guy
09-07-2011, 08:04 PM
I like Berry. but I think when you have Weddle and a healthy Sanders it make the equation more interesting in term of the competition at safety.

Healthy for how long? 3 weeks?

Weddle is massively overrated as well. The love that guy gets is astounding.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 08:12 PM
LOL at Jammer being even remotely close to Brandon Flowers or even Brandon Carr.

Jammer sucks.

Your post lacks zero substance. Jammer isn't a pansy, (get it? Flowers...)
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aturnis
09-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Quarterback - Chargers
O-Line - Chargers
Running Back - Chiefs
Receivers - Chargers
Tight End - Chargers

D-Line - Chiefs
Linebackers - Chiefs
Secondary - Chiefs

This is pretty spot on. Defensive line though I might have to throw to the Chargers. We've got good depth, but Garay had a great year last year.

Also, we don't have much to base our new WR corps off of yet. Haven't even really seen Breaston as a Chief, or Baldwin at all for that matter. Chargers WR's benefit immensely from Rivers, hell, the OL does too.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 08:15 PM
I think you underestimate Brandon Carr. To be fair though, I think some Chiefs fans still do as well so I can't really get on a Charger fan for doing the same.

As for Sanders, if you get the Sanders from 07 and he stays healthy, well your safties will really make some noise this season. I personally think thats a really big IF, considering how IND handled it. The evidence starts to form this Sunday, and isn't that just awesome.

Your post suits your avi. Are you on any medication? If so, how can I get my hands on some?
Thanks in advance.

aturnis
09-07-2011, 08:18 PM
Maybe GoChiefs can put an end to this silly secondary discussion with some stats from Pro Football Focus.

aturnis
09-07-2011, 08:20 PM
Your post suits your avi. Are you on any medication? If so, how can I get my hands on some?
Thanks in advance.

WHAT?!?! the fuck are you talking about? Bob Sanders is NOT going to help your team. He's not going to be playing in a couple of weeks.

NJChiefsFan
09-07-2011, 08:21 PM
Your post suits your avi. Are you on any medication? If so, how can I get my hands on some?
Thanks in advance.

Make fun of me all you want, but you leave Dr. Tobias Funke out of it. If you don't know who he is, you are the man that needs medication, and I assure you he and his fellow cast members are the perfect cure.

Also not sure why its insane to be skeptical about Sanders health. I think you will see my point about Brandon Carr if you watch any Chiefs games closely this season.

aturnis
09-07-2011, 08:24 PM
Do you really think Jammer is better than Carr?

Jammer had 11 passes defensed last year to Carr's 25. Keep dreaming though.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 08:33 PM
WHAT?!?! the **** are you talking about? Bob Sanders is NOT going to help your team. He's not going to be playing in a couple of weeks.

The post you quoted had nothing to do with Sanders.
NJChiefsFan seems like a mellow fellow. I simply wanted a hit.
As far as 'lil' Bobby Sanders goes, He'll be a great addition if he stays healthy and the Chargers won't fall apart if he doesn't.
Other players have made nice come backs after years and years of injuries, (although I can't think of one off the top of my head).
IMO Berry is much betteer than Weddle or Sanders but the two combined are better than Berry/Lewis.

Marcellus
09-07-2011, 08:35 PM
The post you quoted had nothing to do with Sanders.
NJChiefsFan seems like a mellow fellow. I simply wanted a hit.
As far as 'lil' Bobby Sanders goes, He'll be a great addition if he stays healthy and the Chargers won't fall apart if he doesn't.
Other players have made nice come backs after years and years of injuries, (although I can't think of one off the top of my head).
IMO Berry is much betteer than Weddle or Sanders but the two combined are better than Berry/Lewis.

Even if Bob stays healthy which he won't, he is old and slow. So nope, not a chance.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 08:36 PM
Do you really think Jammer is better than Carr?

Jammer had 11 passes defensed last year to Carr's 25. Keep dreaming though.

Why is every QB throwing it into Carr's coverage? QBs are scared their receivers will break if they throw it in Jammer's area.

GoHuge
09-07-2011, 08:37 PM
Do you really think Jammer is better than Carr?

Jammer had 11 passes defensed last year to Carr's 25. Keep dreaming though.Blah, blah, blah..........stats are only good for people that can read!!

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 08:38 PM
Even if Bob stays healthy which he won't, he is old and slow. So nope, not a chance.

I've heard great things during the preseason. He seems healthy and out to prove something to the people like you.

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-07-2011, 08:40 PM
If I may ask Gadzooks, why is it that as a Charger fan you spend a lot of time of a Chiefs board? I know Buck and other rival fans do it too and some Chiefs fans I'm sure do it on other boards. I'm not trying to be a prick I'm honestly curious.

Do you spend as much or more time on a Chargers board?

I just can't imagine spending any of my time being on a Broncos or Chargers board. So... ok.... I'm more of a baseball fan... I still wouldn't spend time on another teams board except the Royals (if they had a decent one which is why I'm here.)

Honest question not a bitch move.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 08:42 PM
Blah, blah, blah..........stats are only good for people that can read!!

Most stats are BS. Look at Baseball. RBIs and Saves are completely useless yet everyone uses them as a measuring stick.
When it come to CBs, if the QB is avoiding you, you get crappy CB stats.

Marcellus
09-07-2011, 08:46 PM
Most stats are BS. Look at Baseball. RBIs and Saves are completely useless yet everyone uses them as a measuring stick.
When it come to CBs, if the QB is avoiding you, you get crappy CB stats.

If you think RBI and saves are useless baseball stats, that explains a lot.

Had you said pitching wins or BA I would have agreed.

However instead, you actually proved yourself wrong.

aturnis
09-07-2011, 08:54 PM
When it come to CBs, if the QB is avoiding you, you get crappy CB stats.

That is why it'll be nice to get some advanced stats from PFF when Wendler arrives. It's based off of percentages, so targets will be accounted for. Basically I'd like to see the opposing QB's completion percentage against each DB.

Also, I know both Chiefs corners rank top 16 so I wouldn't mind seeing where Cason and Jammer sit.

2bikemike
09-07-2011, 08:54 PM
I've heard great things during the preseason. He seems healthy and out to prove something to the people like you.

If Sanders stays healthy I would call it a miracle. He has only hit double digits in games played twice in his Professional carreer. 2005 and 2007. 14 games and 15 games respectively other than that he hasn't played in more than 6 games a year. He is 30 years old so the odds of him staying healthy are pretty much slim and none.

aturnis
09-07-2011, 08:58 PM
Don't know what you're expecting from Bobby Sanders. He might help with your run game more than anything.

Since his brokedick ass can't play full season, ever, never once. I'll go by games. He's played 48, so we'll call that 3 seasons.

In those 3 seasons, he has 6 INT's and 16 passes defensed. Not amazing numbers by any means. 2 INT's and 5.somefuckingnumber passes defensed per year. meh.

Then he'll get hurt.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 09:00 PM
If you think RBI and saves are useless baseball stats, that explains a lot.

Had you said pitching wins or BA I would have agreed.

However instead, you actually proved yourself wrong.

This argument deserves it's own thread. Baseball has idiotic stats.

KurtCobain
09-07-2011, 09:05 PM
If I may ask Gadzooks, why is it that as a Charger fan you spend a lot of time of a Chiefs board? I know Buck and other rival fans do it too and some Chiefs fans I'm sure do it on other boards. I'm not trying to be a prick I'm honestly curious.

Do you spend as much or more time on a Chargers board?

I just can't imagine spending any of my time being on a Broncos or Chargers board. So... ok.... I'm more of a baseball fan... I still wouldn't spend time on another teams board except the Royals (if they had a decent one which is why I'm here.)

Honest question not a bitch move.

It's odd that you pose this question, because like you said about being a baseball fan, you fall into this category. Buck the Chargers Fan, Listo the Broncos Fan, noonan the Royals fan, etc....

KurtCobain
09-07-2011, 09:06 PM
FTR, I've tried to spend time on other boards. But they all suck. I see why other fans post here.

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-07-2011, 09:07 PM
It's odd that you pose this question, because like you said about being a baseball fan, you fall into this category. Buck the Chargers Fan, Listo the Broncos Fan, noonan the Royals fan, etc....

I also answered it where I'm concerned. The Royals don't have a decent board. I post very infrequently on the team site. The baseball fans here are better and more interesting.

And btw I'm a Chiefs fan so this is my team too.

Ebolapox
09-07-2011, 09:23 PM
gotta say... top notch trolling; you've been taking lessons from knowmo, haven't you?

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 09:26 PM
gotta say... top notch trolling; you've been taking lessons from knowmo, haven't you?

Know one trolls like Knowmo trolls

Simply Red
09-07-2011, 09:29 PM
None really.

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 09:31 PM
If I may ask Gadzooks, why is it that as a Charger fan you spend a lot of time of a Chiefs board? I know Buck and other rival fans do it too and some Chiefs fans I'm sure do it on other boards. I'm not trying to be a prick I'm honestly curious.

Do you spend as much or more time on a Chargers board?

I just can't imagine spending any of my time being on a Broncos or Chargers board. So... ok.... I'm more of a baseball fan... I still wouldn't spend time on another teams board except the Royals (if they had a decent one which is why I'm here.)

Honest question not a bitch move.

Totally fair question. I'm a member of 2 Charger boards and they suck for the following reasons:
- Too many st00pid n00bs
- They don't like off topic threads
- Too many Chicken Littles
- I've been put on a temporary ban for calling a shit head a "poo poo head"
Sure there are some quality posters but for the most part itís swimming through a sea of crap.

I'm a proud member of CP for the following reasons:
- Iím a st00pid n00b
- If anything goes viral, Iíll usually find it here first unless itís a repost in which case Iíll find it again.
- When Chief fans start screaming that the sky is falling it brings a smile to my face
- I havenít been banned or fucked with by the mods for being trollish at times
In summary, when Iím on CP I truly feel like Iím part of a familyÖ and Iím the annoying in-law.

Simply Red
09-07-2011, 09:37 PM
I don't think anyone has a huge problem with you Zooks. Just cool it, we know we suck, well we do suck, at least - until further notice. But stay tuned.

Psyko Tek
09-07-2011, 09:41 PM
how about "The dont run score finger pointing to the opponent coach cry baby Haley"?

and the whiny n00b reaches far for a rebuttal...

Psyko Tek
09-07-2011, 09:45 PM
The post you quoted had nothing to do with Sanders.
NJChiefsFan seems like a mellow fellow. I simply wanted a hit.
As far as 'lil' Bobby Sanders goes, He'll be a great addition if he stays healthy and the Chargers won't fall apart if he doesn't.
Other players have made nice come backs after years and years of injuries, (although I can't think of one off the top of my head).
IMO Berry is much betteer than Weddle or Sanders but the two combined are better than Berry/Lewis.

or maybe if he gets o play in a giant robot suit

history says no to both

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 09:47 PM
I don't think anyone has a huge problem with you Zooks. Just cool it, we know we suck, well we do suck, at least - until further notice. But stay tuned.

Wait, what?
The Chiefs don't suck...
Just cool it?!?
What's going on here?

Dr. Facebook Fever
09-07-2011, 09:54 PM
Totally fair question. I'm a member of 2 Charger boards and they suck for the following reasons:
- Too many st00pid n00bs
- They don't like off topic threads
- Too many Chicken Littles
- I've been put on a temporary ban for calling a shit head a "poo poo head"
Sure there are some quality posters but for the most part itís swimming through a sea of crap.

I'm a proud member of CP for the following reasons:
- Iím a st00pid n00b
- If anything goes viral, Iíll usually find it here first unless itís a repost in which case Iíll find it again.
- When Chief fans start screaming that the sky is falling it brings a smile to my face
- I havenít been banned or ****ed with by the mods for being trollish at times
In summary, when Iím on CP I truly feel like Iím part of a familyÖ and Iím the annoying in-law.

A most excellent explaination Gadzooks... thank you. Welcome to ChiefsPlanet.

Have you heard that we're doomed?

Gadzooks
09-07-2011, 09:54 PM
or maybe if he gets o play in a giant robot suit

history says no to both

Fuck history. That would be awesome.LMAO

BossChief
09-07-2011, 09:59 PM
hc
dc
dl
lbs
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rb
wrs = push
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Lbedrock1
09-07-2011, 10:22 PM
No area. The Chargers are gods. The will go undefeated and win the toilet bowl... I mean the soup bowl. The question is really a stupid question because when teams in the divison play one another all things are thrown out the window. It is who has more heart that weekend. It really dosent matter who is better at what position it is who plays better that sunday.

BIG K
09-07-2011, 10:32 PM
Why are we looking ahead to them? Get past the first week, then we will talk...

aturnis
09-07-2011, 10:46 PM
**** history. That would be awesome.LMAO

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XXXshogunXXX
09-07-2011, 10:59 PM
No area. The Chargers are gods. The will go undefeated and win the toilet bowl... I mean the soup bowl. The question is really a stupid question because when teams in the divison play one another all things are thrown out the window. It is who has more heart that weekend. It really dosent matter who is better at what position it is who plays better that sunday.

"this"

but this is a chiefsboard, I wouldnt try to argue on another teams board who has the better QB.

4th and Long
09-07-2011, 11:45 PM
In what area are the Chiefs better than the Chargers?
They have better winter weather conditions than we do.

idrapethat
09-08-2011, 12:27 AM
Has anyone mentioned the ability to close out games yet? The chargers lost a lot of close games last year...looking at their games from last year, they were 3-5 in one possession games. Chiefs were 4-2.

Simply Red
09-08-2011, 12:34 AM
Has anyone mentioned the ability to close out games yet? The chargers lost a lot of close games last year...looking at their games from last year, they were 3-5 in one possession games. Chiefs were 4-2.

no, glad you did.

Priest31kc
09-08-2011, 03:07 AM
Rivers>>>>>Cassel is all that matters.

Ebolapox
09-08-2011, 06:41 AM
our stadium is worlds better than theirs.

movinbones
09-08-2011, 07:33 AM
QB- SD
RB#1 - KC
RB#2 - KC
FB - KC
OL- EVEN
WR#1 - KC
WR#2- SD
TE- SD

SPECIAL TEAMS - KC

DL- EVEN
LB- EVEN
CB- KC
S- EVEN

Coaching- KC
Tailgating- KC
Fanbase- KC
Stadium-KC
Weather - SD


I would give slight edge to KC defense based on position comparison.
Special teams favors KC
Offense fairly even except for the most important position = QB. Rivers can make everyone else better on offense and sadly I can't say the same for Cassel.

Rivers' skill set far exceeds anything Cassel can do. However, Rivers has yet to demonstrate the leadership qualities that it takes to put a team on your shoulders and carry them to a Superbowl win.

I've never seen Montana, Brady, Farve, Bradshaw, Elway, Manning throw temper tantrums on the field when things don't go their way like Rivers does. Leaders are calm in the huddle and unite players. Rivers points fingers and whines and gives those goofy condescending faces when shit gets stressful.

notorious
09-08-2011, 08:37 AM
I see that all-out homerism is just as strong outside the Chiefs and Broncos fanbase as inside.



Some of the "points" made on this thread are flat-out retarded.

notorious
09-08-2011, 08:43 AM
- I've been put on a temporary ban for calling a shit head a "poo poo head"


LMAO

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 09:01 AM
Maybe GoChiefs can put an end to this silly secondary discussion with some stats from Pro Football Focus.

Don't mind if I do.

Cornerbacks

Overall ranking:

3. Brandon Flowers
16. Brandon Carr
34. Javier Arenas

13. Antoine Cason
48. Quentin Jammer
(no other Chargers CB made the top 100)

Coverage ranking:

2. Brandon Flowers
15. Brandon Carr
49. Javier Arenas

12. Antoine Cason
45. Quentin Jammer

Catch percentage allowed

6. Brandon Carr
15. Brandon Flowers
79. Javier Arenas

17. Quentin Jammer
19. Antoine Cason

Safeties

Overall ranking

3. Eric Weddle
20. Eric Berry
29. Kendrick Lewis

Coverage ranking

15. Kendrick Lewis
22. Eric Weddle
62. Eric Berry

Run D ranking

3. Eric Weddle
12. Eric Berry
55. Kendrick Lewis

Omaha
09-08-2011, 09:03 AM
more handsome head coach

Rumor has it he's got a "way" with the ladies.

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Hali gives the Chiefs LBs a big edge overall.

OLB

Overall

1. Tamba Hali
15. Shaun Phillips

QB pressures

1. Tamba Hali (64)
12. Shaun Philips (26)

ILB

Overall

4. Derrick Johnson
42. Jovan Belcher

7. Takeo Spikes
33. Stephen Cooper

Run defense ranking


7. Derrick Johnson
38. Jovan Belcher

3. Takeo Spikes
46. Stephen Cooper

Coverage ranking


1. Derrick Johnson
46. Jovan Belcher

8. Takeo Spikes
3. Stephen Cooper

And I'm willing to bet Justin Houston shits all over Travis LaBoy by the end of the year.

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 09:17 AM
Would you like to know more?

Overall

6. Wallace Gilberry
24. Glenn Dorsey
31. Tyson Jackson

34. Jacque Cesaire
36. Luis Castillo

Run defense

4. Glenn Dorsey
20. Tyson Jackson
30. Wallace Gilberry

29. Jacque Cesaire
32. Luis Castillo

Pass rush

2. Wallace Gilberry
35. Tyson Jackson
40. Glenn Dorsey

30. Jacques Cesaire
39. Luis Castillo

Stops

3. Glenn Dorsey (43)
22. Tyson Jackson (15)
22. Wallace Gilberry (15)

12. Jacques Cesaire (21)
20. Luis Castillo (16)

PGM
09-08-2011, 06:01 PM
Nice stats GifHorse. If DJ can hold onto a few picks, he'll be getting some much needed recognition around the league. Damn, he stepped up last year.

Hali's 64 pressures is insane.

notorious
09-08-2011, 06:10 PM
Coach - Even

QB- Diego
RB1- KC
RB2- Diego
WR1- Even
WR2- Diego
TE -Diego
Oline -Diego

Special Teams- KC

D-Line - Even
Linebackers - Even
Secondary - KC


Tolbert is waaaay bettter then T Jones and SD's Recievers are proven.

We have one WR that is proven and a suspicious O-Line.

We are a lot younger, which should allow for growth. The existing players on KC have a higher ceiling then SD (minus the QB position).

Reality sucks, but QB is everything in the NFL.

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 06:19 PM
No way LBs are even.

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 06:20 PM
Breaston is a proven receiver, sorry.

BossChief
09-08-2011, 06:30 PM
.Coach - Even

QB- Diego
RB1- KC
RB2- Diego
WR1- Even
WR2- Diego
TE -Diego
Oline -Diego

Special Teams- KC

D-Line - Even
Linebackers - Even
Secondary - KC


Tolbert is waaaay bettter then T Jones and SD's Recievers are proven.

We have one WR that is proven and a suspicious O-Line.

We are a lot younger, which should allow for growth. The existing players on KC have a higher ceiling then SD (minus the QB position).

Reality sucks, but QB is everything in the NFL.

our coaches >>>>>>> theirs
breaston is at minimum even with anybody on SD outside of Jackson
how on GODs green earth do you think their DL in even with ours? its not even close
linebackers being even has to be a joke of some sort
McClain > Tolbert > Jones
we only have one proven receiver?

odd post from you, man.

Gadzooks
09-08-2011, 06:31 PM
Breaston is a proven receiver, sorry.

Floyd is more dangerous. I'd compare Breaston to Crayton.

el borracho
09-08-2011, 06:46 PM
- I havenít been banned or ****ed with by the mods for being trollish at times.

ROFL, oh, really?

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 06:51 PM
Floyd is more dangerous. I'd compare Breaston to Crayton.

Yeah, Crayton has had 1,000 yards before.

Gadzooks
09-08-2011, 06:55 PM
Yeah, Crayton has had 1,000 yards before.

He was buried in Dallas.

Gadzooks
09-08-2011, 06:56 PM
ROFL, oh, really?

Not yet, unless I'm missing something.

notorious
09-08-2011, 07:29 PM
Coach

I will give us a thumbs up at D-Coordinator, but can anyone really say that Haley is better then Norv yet?



#2 Wide Receiver

Breaston was proven with Warner, but with Cassel we will see. It doesn't hurt to have Fitzgerald and Boldin flanking each side.

After him there is a drop-off. Baldwin hasn't done shit yet, and we have a bunch of warm bodies after that.



D-Line

Diego's defense was pretty impressive last year. Impressive defenses start on the D-Line.


Linebackers

I love Tamba and DJ, but the other two positions are very "meh".



I am cynical, and I apologize if I piss some guys off.

CaliforniaChief
09-08-2011, 07:39 PM
Kansas City has electricity, San Diego does not.

CrazyPhuD
09-08-2011, 07:47 PM
Well I think it's safe to say that while the chiefs have excelled at times too, the chargers are far superior to us at choking right now. When it comes to choking you'll be hard pressed to find a better team than the San Diego Super Chokers.

In area's that the chiefs are better than the chargers? That one is easy, the only thing that matters championships.....

Gadzooks
09-08-2011, 07:47 PM
In terms of Coaching:
HC:
Haley dances around and screams more so that makes him better than Norf.:rolleyes:

OC: This is basically Norf vs. Muir (with Haley in his ear). Advantage Norf.

DC: Romeo Crennel > Manusky, but it's closer than you might think. Manusky was raised in Wade's 3-4 as a LB coach and brings a lot of continuity and a more aggressive approach.

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 07:56 PM
In terms of Coaching:
HC:
Haley dances around and screams more so that makes him better than Norf.:rolleyes:


Haley is a master motivator and brilliant position coach.

Norv is a pretty good offensive strategist but that's it. He has no real leadership qualities. What players have improved on San Diego since he's been there?

Epic Fail 007
09-08-2011, 08:11 PM
corners, safeties, linebackers......

agree

Marcellus
09-08-2011, 08:18 PM
Corners, safety, RB, LB, ST, crowd, home field advantage, coaching. Did I say RB, I need to say RB again. RB.

It's possible that at WR it becomes a tossup depending on Breaston and whether Bowe continues to tear it up and looking at preseason, he should.

Gadzooks
09-08-2011, 09:04 PM
Haley is a master motivator and brilliant position coach.

Norv is a pretty good offensive strategist but that's it. He has no real leadership qualities. What players have improved on San Diego since he's been there?

Leadership qualities can come from anywhere. Rookies, vets, assisistant coaches, position coaches, coordinators, head coaches, GMs, Owners.
Anywhere...
Marty Schottenheimer may have been a leader but he was a liability in many other areas. Haley at least has some value with his OC experience but when you compare his offensive mind to Norf's, Norf wins.

aturnis
09-08-2011, 09:10 PM
Gadzooks, you purposely ignoring those advanced statistics?

Thanks Wendler. I'd give ya rep, and already owe ya rep(gifs, torrents, Stanzi lost footage), but it says I need to spread it around.

beach tribe
09-08-2011, 09:35 PM
Gadzooks, you purposely ignoring those advanced statistics?

Thanks Wendler. I'd give ya rep, and already owe ya rep(gifs, torrents, Stanzi lost footage), but it says I need to spread it around.
His posts expose him as a pretty hardcore homer.
Homers don't need stats, or facts to tell them who is better.

Gadzooks
09-08-2011, 10:10 PM
Here’re some stats:
#1 ranked Offense
#1 ranked Defense
#84 ranked Special Teams

A lot of steps have been made to improve the ST ranking.
The proof will be in the pudding, (whatever that means).

KcMizzou
09-08-2011, 10:11 PM
Hereíre some stats:
#1 ranked Offense
#1 ranked Defense
#84 ranked Special Teams

A lot of steps have been made to improve the ST ranking.
The proof will be in the pudding, (whatever that means).The new kickoff rule is bound to help you a lot.

Douche Baggins
09-08-2011, 10:14 PM
Hereíre some stats:
#1 ranked Offense
#1 ranked Defense
#84 ranked Special Teams

A lot of steps have been made to improve the ST ranking.
The proof will be in the pudding, (whatever that means).

Last year's statistics mean shit.

Everyone knows neither your offense or defense are that good in reality. Especially your defense.

Gadzooks
09-08-2011, 10:25 PM
Last year's statistics mean shit.

Everyone knows neither your offense or defense are that good in reality. Especially your defense.

I'll admit to that.
Nice to know you agree that last years stats mean shit.

NJChiefsFan
09-08-2011, 10:56 PM
Hereíre some stats:
#1 ranked Offense
#1 ranked Defense
#84 ranked Special Teams

A lot of steps have been made to improve the ST ranking.
The proof will be in the pudding, (whatever that means).

Didn't you want to compare the positions and not the overall rank? Whats your opinion of the stats he posted? If we are just looking at overall SD wins if for Rivers alone.

Just Passin' By
09-09-2011, 12:25 AM
According to Pro-Football-Reference.com

The Chargers were #2 in points scored last year
The Chiefs were #14 in points scored last year
The Chiefs were #11 in points allowed last year
The Chargers were #10 in points allowed last year

QB - SD
RB - KC
OT - depends on whether or not Gaither is starting at one of the tackle spots
Interior OL - SD
TE - SD
WR - SD

ST - KC until proven otherwise

NT - ?
DE - KC
OLB - KC
ILB - KC
CB - KC
S - KC

I gave a bit of an grading bump in favor of players who were young last year, and both looked good and as if they were improving at the end of the year When they meet, both will have had their bye week, and both will be coming off long distance away games against hard hitting opponents.

It should be an interesting game, if the teams can stay relatively healthy heading into it.

Douche Baggins
09-09-2011, 12:30 AM
I'll admit to that.
Nice to know you agree that last years stats mean shit.

You do realize there is a difference between player rankings and statistics, right?

Player rankings are not based on statistics.

BossChief
09-09-2011, 12:35 AM
You do realize there is a difference between player rankings and statistics, right?

Player rankings are not based on statistics.
not entirely, anyway.

veist
09-09-2011, 12:35 AM
Hereíre some stats:
#1 ranked Offense
#1 ranked Defense
#84 ranked Special Teams

A lot of steps have been made to improve the ST ranking.
The proof will be in the pudding, (whatever that means).

Total defense is like pitcher's wins, it completely ignores context. SD was number 1 in total defense because they were so bad at STs that what would normally have been a 70yd drive only had to be a 30yd drive. SD defense was 19th in points allowed, paper tigers man, paper tigers.

TEX
09-09-2011, 07:37 AM
Total defense is like pitcher's wins, it completely ignores context. SD was number 1 in total defense because they were so bad at STs that what would normally have been a 70yd drive only had to be a 30yd drive. SD defense was 19th in points allowed, paper tigers man, paper tigers.

Gotta chime in here if you guys don't mind. You nailed it. It's a big factor in answering the question,"How could the # 1 ranked team on offense and defense not make the playoffs?" Answer - because the stats were, and most always can be skewed. The Bolts defense is not "that" good anymore.

Having said that - I'll give them the edge this year because of Rivers and the offense.

thurman merman
09-09-2011, 07:42 PM
Total defense is like pitcher's wins, it completely ignores context. SD was number 1 in total defense because they were so bad at STs that what would normally have been a 70yd drive only had to be a 30yd drive. SD defense was 19th in points allowed, paper tigers man, paper tigers.

Very good point.

They also got to play vaunted offenses like the Jaguars, Seahawks, Cardinals, Rams, Titans, Broncos (2x), 49ers, Bengals, and the Brodie Croyle-led Chiefs.

Buck
09-11-2011, 06:50 PM
I think I want to change my answer.

D. Thomas was gay
09-11-2011, 06:54 PM
In losing to the bills

notorious
09-11-2011, 06:57 PM
I think I want to change my answer.

I think I am sticking to mine.

JohnnyV13
09-11-2011, 06:58 PM
The Chiefs know how to whine about other teams running up the score better than anyone in the NFL.

Practice makes perfect you know.

Josef Mengele
09-11-2011, 06:59 PM
Absolutely nothing.

Garcia Bronco
09-11-2011, 07:10 PM
The Chiefs have a better special teams and dline. Everything else is either a wash or the Chargers.

notorious
09-11-2011, 07:11 PM
The Chiefs know how to whine about other teams running up the score better than anyone in the NFL.

Practice makes perfect you know.

I have yet to hear one person whine about this ass kicking.