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KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 12:10 AM
Who do you think won the Republican debate at the Reagan library?


How you voted

Total of 99,746 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

Ron Paul

49%
(48,876 votes)

Mitt Romney

17.9%
(17,853 votes)

Rick Perry

14.7%
(14,701 votes)

Jon Huntsman

7%
(6,956 votes)

Newt Gingrich

4.7%
(4,650 votes)

Herman Cain

3.3%
(3,249 votes)

Michele Bachmann

2.4%
(2,367 votes)

Rick Santorum

1.1%
(1,094 votes)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library

Fixed.

ClevelandBronco
09-08-2011, 12:13 AM
Look, I love the guy, but this is bullshit and you know it.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 12:15 AM
Look, I love the guy, but this is bullshit and you know it.

hehe, look at the date. I could see the terror in your eyes!

cdcox
09-08-2011, 12:15 AM
Poll: Who won tonight's GOP debate?
By The Ed Show Staff
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:35 PM EDT
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Who won tonight's Republican debate?

Results with 249 short comments
Total of 13,855 votes - click on the "Display Comments" bar below to sort comments

Ron Paul

78.7%
(10,899 votes)

Michele Bachmann

6.1%
(849 votes)

Mitt Romney

5.8%
(797 votes)

Herman Cain

4.8%
(659 votes)

Newt Gingrich

2.3%
(316 votes)

Tim Pawlenty

1.6%
(218 votes)

Rick Santorum

0.8%
(117 votes)

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/13/6851987-poll-who-won-tonights-gop-debate

:p

Why did you post a poll from the June 13th Republican debate?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 12:16 AM
Why did you post a poll from the June 13th Republican debate?

Oh you wanted to see more of Ron Paul, well here goes...

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ClevelandBronco
09-08-2011, 12:19 AM
hehe, look at the date. I could see the terror in your eyes!

Oh. Allow me to amend.

That was bullshit and you knew it even then.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 12:25 AM
Oh. Allow me to amend.

That was bullshit and you knew it even then.

I have to admit I was searching the intrawebz for poll results and found this, and with my need for sleep I didn't notice the date at 1st either.

Goodnight , sorry if i spiked your blood pressure man. ;)

*EDITED
Poll is updated now.

Pitt Gorilla
09-08-2011, 12:26 AM
Oh you wanted to see more of Ron Paul, well here goes...

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/iyex8HH6B4c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>Yeah, I can totally see why conservatives don't like this guy.

Taco John
09-08-2011, 01:46 AM
This is the current poll:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/07/7658608-who-do-you-think-won-the-republican-debate-at-the-reagan-library

Taco John
09-08-2011, 01:47 AM
I thought Romney and Huntsman had the best debates. I didn't think Paul had a great debate. I think he did fine, but he is much better in a town hall format than a debate format.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 08:12 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-best-jobs-plan-might-status-quo-220816561.html

Which GOP presidential candidate do you think won the Politico/NBC debate?

Rick Perry (10598)
25%

Mitt Romney (8557)
20%

Michele Bachmann (1876)
4%

Ron Paul (12928) - your vote
31%

Jon Huntsman (3189)
8%

Herman Cain (2135)
5%

Newt Gingrich (2154)
5%

Rick Santorum (803)
2%

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 08:13 AM
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Ace Gunner
09-08-2011, 08:52 AM
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this will go right over the head of most all republicans today.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 09:09 AM
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KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 09:09 AM
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Chiefshrink
09-08-2011, 09:17 AM
The "Irony" here with both of these "Reagan clips" is that Ron Paul left the Repub party because of Reagan:rolleyes:

Nuff said.

Nothing personal here "KILLER";)

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 09:23 AM
The "Irony" here with both of these "Reagan clips" is that Ron Paul left the Repub party because of Reagan:rolleyes:

Nuff said.

Nothing personal here "KILLER";)

Ron Paul already stated, if you watched the clip, that he left because Reagan wasn't consistent with what he preached. Reagan sounded like a Ron Paul clone in those speeches.

Saul Good
09-08-2011, 09:31 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/obamas-best-jobs-plan-might-status-quo-220816561.html

Which GOP presidential candidate do you think won the Politico/NBC debate?

Rick Perry (10598)
25%

Mitt Romney (8557)
20%

Michele Bachmann (1876)
4%

Ron Paul (12928) - your vote
31%

Jon Huntsman (3189)
8%

Herman Cain (2135)
5%

Newt Gingrich (2154)
5%

Rick Santorum (803)
2%

Ron Paul could walk up to the microphone and talk with his ass Ace Ventura style, and his followers would spam the polls saying that he won the debate.

Will the novelty of doing this never wear off?

Donger
09-08-2011, 09:32 AM
:spock:

Paul sounded like, well, Ron Paul during this debate.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 10:00 AM
Ron Paul could walk up to the microphone and talk with his ass Ace Ventura style, and his followers would spam the polls saying that he won the debate.

Will the novelty of doing this never wear off?

I guess you could say he's pretty popular, or you could try to degrade his performance and say "his followers" loaded the poll. Lolz!

Ace Gunner
09-08-2011, 10:09 AM
The "Irony" here with both of these "Reagan clips" is that Ron Paul left the Repub party because of Reagan:rolleyes:

Nuff said.

Nothing personal here "KILLER";)

Some people are smart enough to decipher Paul left the party when Reagan and the GOP stopped defending the principles of our constitution. You obviously are not one of them. Nothing personal.

Donger
09-08-2011, 10:11 AM
Some people are smart enough to decipher Paul left the party when Reagan and the GOP stopped defending the principles of our constitution. You obviously are not one of them. Nothing personal.

Why did Paul come back to the GOP?

Ace Gunner
09-08-2011, 10:26 AM
I believe the answer to this is complex, not a one - liner. I imagine it was a politically charged decision on several levels. During the eighties, he went after a seat in the senate and lost as a libertarian. Not too hard to figure why, is it? Therein lies your answer, I believe.

patteeu
09-08-2011, 10:28 AM
As it turns out, even Reagan was a neocon RINO. Am I right?

Donger
09-08-2011, 10:31 AM
I believe the answer to this is complex, not a one - liner. I imagine it was a politically charged decision on several levels. During the eighties, he went after a seat in the senate and lost as a libertarian. Not too hard to figure why, is it? Therein lies your answer, I believe.

As I understand it, Paul left the GOP because of Reagan's spending.

He then apparently rejoined the GOP, right? I don't even know when.

So, I take it that something happened that caused Paul to re-join, and I would think that would only happen if the reason he left in the first place (spending) was corrected.

Am I wrong?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 10:32 AM
As it turns out, even Reagan was a neocon RINO. Am I right?

No Bush had way too much power, I don't blame Reagan. After the Assassination attempt he had to get in line.

Ace Gunner
09-08-2011, 10:32 AM
No. As it turns out, Reagan was outnumbered.

Saul Good
09-08-2011, 10:32 AM
I guess you could say he's pretty popular, or you could try to degrade his performance and say "his followers" loaded the poll. Lolz!

There is an inverse relationship between the scientific accuracy of the polls and Ron Paul's performances therein. Take from that what you will.

BigChiefFan
09-08-2011, 10:35 AM
Ron Paul could walk up to the microphone and talk with his ass Ace Ventura style, and his followers would spam the polls saying that he won the debate.

Will the novelty of doing this never wear off?

What do you have against Ron Paul? I see you tearing him down at every opportunity. Some of you don't seem to grasp, MOST of America is fed up with party rhetoric and we aren't going to taking it lying down. Ron Paul is the closest person to getting the job done, with how the average American wants things done. We aren't backing down.

Saul Good
09-08-2011, 10:35 AM
No Bush had way too much power, I don't blame Reagan. After the Assassination attempt he had to get in line.

Holy shit! Are you saying that Bush was behind the shooting and that Reagan kowtowed to Bush out of fear for his own life?

patteeu
09-08-2011, 10:36 AM
No. As it turns out, Reagan was outnumbered.

So when Reagan's problem was that he didn't have enough like-minded allies, Ron Paul's move was to abandon ship?

Ace Gunner
09-08-2011, 10:36 AM
As I understand it, Paul left the GOP because of Reagan's spending.

He then apparently rejoined the GOP, right? I don't even know when.

So, I take it that something happened that caused Paul to re-join, and I would think that would only happen if the reason he left in the first place (spending) was corrected.

Am I wrong?

Ya, you are missing important moves Paul made during that decade. As I said, Paul ran for a seat in the senate. He was not a House Rep at that time.

Donger
09-08-2011, 10:37 AM
What do you have against Ron Paul? I see you tearing him down at every opportunity. Some of you don't seem to grasp, MOST of America is fed up with party rhetoric and we aren't going to taking it lying down. Ron Paul is the closest person to getting the job done, with how the average American wants things done. We aren't backing down.

LMAO

Donger
09-08-2011, 10:38 AM
Ya, you are missing important moves Paul made during that decade. As I said, Paul ran for a seat in the senate. He was not a House Rep at that time.

Yes, I'm missing a very important move: the one where he rejoined the GOP. I'm just trying to figure out why he rejoined the GOP.

patteeu
09-08-2011, 10:39 AM
Holy shit! Are you saying that Bush was behind the shooting and that Reagan kowtowed to Bush out of fear for his own life?

Sometimes I read KILLER's posts and just LMAO

Jaric
09-08-2011, 10:41 AM
As it turns out, even Reagan was a neocon RINO. Am I right?

Not sure about all that. I personally don't hold Reagan out to be the shining standard of conservatism that some do.

Ace Gunner
09-08-2011, 10:42 AM
So when Reagan's problem was that he didn't have enough like-minded allies, Ron Paul's move was to abandon ship?

First off, the GOP abandoned ship, not Ron Paul. Reagan's problem was that he was outnumbered by criminals in both controlling parties, as was Paul's. The only diff was, these crooks needed Reagan.

Saul Good
09-08-2011, 10:44 AM
What do you have against Ron Paul? I see you tearing him down at every opportunity. Some of you don't seem to grasp, MOST of America is fed up with party rhetoric and we aren't going to taking it lying down. Ron Paul is the closest person to getting the job done, with how the average American wants things done. We aren't backing down.

I have nothing against Ron Paul. I like him a lot, actually. What I dislike are his followers who trash every other candidate, talk down to anyone who doesn't drink every last drop of RP Kool-Ade, and pretend that spammed polls are evidence that dirty tricks are the only thing keeping him from winning elections.

It gets old. Howard Dean was a victim of the same thing 8 years ago. You can only look at something black and tell people it's white for so long before you lose all credibility.

patteeu
09-08-2011, 10:44 AM
First off, the GOP abandoned ship, not Ron Paul. Reagan's problem was that he was outnumbered by criminals in both controlling parties, as was Paul's. The only diff was, these crooks needed Reagan.

The Republican party is RINO!

You and KILLER CLOWN could have a lot of fun talking about these things. You should have a sleepover.

Ace Gunner
09-08-2011, 10:47 AM
Yes, I'm missing a very important move: the one where he rejoined the GOP. I'm just trying to figure out why he rejoined the GOP.

Well, I believe you are searching for Paul's convictions of our constitution to have changed. It hasn't. What has changed is the GOP.

Again, from the limited info I've retrieved regarding this subject, it appears Paul moved back to the GOP for support - votes. There are few "alternatives" in politics. Two, actually.

patteeu
09-08-2011, 10:48 AM
Not sure about all that. I personally don't hold Reagan out to be the shining standard of conservatism that some do.

How could he be? You can't remain pure and govern effectively when the other party effectively controls the other two branches of government

Donger
09-08-2011, 10:49 AM
Well, I believe you are searching for Paul's convictions of our constitution to have changed. It hasn't. What has changed is the GOP.

Again, from the limited info I've retrieved regarding this subject, it appears Paul moved back to the GOP for support - votes. There are few "alternatives" in politics. Two, actually.

I see. So, the GOP is just as bad as it was (or worse?) when Paul quit, but he came back anyway in order to be elected?

Is that right?

BigChiefFan
09-08-2011, 10:50 AM
LMAO

Your nervous twitch is showing.

BucEyedPea
09-08-2011, 10:51 AM
Your nervous twitch is showing.

It's his glee of insanity showing again. This is why he's able to spot kooks and crazies—he is one.

BucEyedPea
09-08-2011, 10:53 AM
I see. So, the GOP is just as bad as it was (or worse?) when Paul quit, but he came back anyway in order to be elected?

Is that right?

As I recall, he said he came back during the R resurgence under Clinton because it gave him hope something could be done again. Okay, so he turned out to be wrong....however, he is now changing the debate—and THAT's a good thing, TruBrit, much to the dislike of your Tory leanings.

Donger
09-08-2011, 10:53 AM
Your nervous twitch is showing.

What on Earth should I be nervous about?

patteeu
09-08-2011, 10:55 AM
As I recall, he said he came back during the R resurgence under Clinton because it gave him hope something could be done again. Okay, so he turned out to be wrong....however, he is now changing the debate—and THAT's a good thing, TruBrit, much to the dislike of your Tory leanings.

Sounds a lot like a bandwagon fan.

BucEyedPea
09-08-2011, 10:56 AM
What on Earth should I be nervous about?

Well, no one really thinks you are but your over-use of smilies when you can't deal with a pov is telling.

Timeout for—
http://th158.photobucket.com/albums/t100/rmthugger/th_Couch-Smiley.gif

Donger
09-08-2011, 10:59 AM
As I recall, he said he came back during the R resurgence under Clinton because it gave him hope something could be done again. Okay, so he turned out to be wrong....however, he is now changing the debate—and THAT's a good thing, TruBrit, much to the dislike of your Tory leanings.

Oh, so he's a political whore?

He's changing the debate? How?

Donger
09-08-2011, 11:01 AM
Well, no one really thinks you are but your over-use of smilies when you can't deal with a pov is telling.

Timeout for—
http://th158.photobucket.com/albums/t100/rmthugger/th_Couch-Smiley.gif

Well, laughing is a pretty common reaction when one reads something funny. In that case, what made me laugh was the "We're not backing down" comment.

BucEyedPea
09-08-2011, 11:03 AM
Oh, so he's a political whore?

He's changing the debate? How?

Time to get on that couch—you're twaddling now.

BucEyedPea
09-08-2011, 11:04 AM
Well, laughing is a pretty common reaction when one reads something funny. In that case, what made me laugh was the "We're not backing down" comment.

It's more often a nervous reaction when someone is not obviously joking or in a debate.
Or do you just admire when orange peppers his posts with smilies?

Donger
09-08-2011, 11:05 AM
Time to get on that couch—you're twaddling now.

You made the statement. How has he changed the debate?

Donger
09-08-2011, 11:07 AM
It's more often a nervous reaction when someone is not obviously joking or in a debate.
Or do you just admire when orange peppers his posts with smilies?

Again, why should I or anyone else be nervous about Roan Paul or his fans?

BucEyedPea
09-08-2011, 11:07 AM
You made the statement. How has he changed the debate?

Get down on that COUCH, you kook! ;)

Maybe this couch will make you feel more at home.

http://blokebuddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/union-jack-sofa.jpg

Jaric
09-08-2011, 11:09 AM
How could he be? You can't remain pure and govern effectively when the other party effectively controls the other two branches of government

I'm sure there are reasons for it Pat. All I'm saying is that I don't consider him the standard bearer for what I consider conservative politics is all.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 11:15 AM
I have nothing against Ron Paul. I like him a lot, actually. What I dislike are his followers who trash every other candidate

Not our fault the candidates are on the wrong side of conservatism.

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 11:21 AM
Online Poll: Who won Wednesday’s GOP debate at the Reagan Library?

In your opinion, who won Wednesday night's GOP presidential debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif.?

Response
Percent
Michele Bachmann
0.5%
Herman Cain
1.0%
Newt Gingrich
1.4%
Jon Huntsman
2.1%
Ron Paul
84.6%
Rick Perry
3.8%
Mitt Romney
5.2%
Rick Santorum
0.2%
None of the above
1.2%

http://online.worldmag.com/2011/09/07/online-poll-who-won-wednesdays-gop-debate-at-the-reagan-library/

Donger
09-08-2011, 11:22 AM
Okay, seriously, does ANYONE think that Paul won that debate?

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 11:24 AM
Who best represented YOUR views on immigration?

* Ron Paul (47%, 1,727 Votes)
* Mitt Romney (22%, 818 Votes)
* Michele Bachmann (12%, 426 Votes)
* Rick Perry (11%, 420 Votes)
* Herman Cain (4%, 144 Votes)
* Newt Gingrich (2%, 87 Votes)
* Rick Santorum (2%, 65 Votes)
* Jon Huntsman (0%, 17 Votes)

Total Voters: 3,704

http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2011/09/07/who-won-the-gop-reagan-library-debate-poll/

and a ROFL to this poll

http://www.therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/msnbcpoll_perrywinner.jpg

Ron Paul was disqualified due to voter skewing.

http://www.therightscoop.com/poll-who-won-the-reagan-library-debate/

Lolz, I guess Ron was winning.

Jenson71
09-08-2011, 11:27 AM
Online polls are pointless, except to show which candidate has a stronger active, young, online presence. It means very little.

go bowe
09-08-2011, 12:00 PM
Okay, seriously, does ANYONE think that Paul won that debate?

i don't think anyone won the debate...

huntsman seems to be the only sane one of the bunch, but he has virtually no support...

i thought perry hurt himself with the moderate independent vote and romney stayed steady on course, with lots of lip service to the tea party, but didn't really advance his cause...

bachman, santorum and cain are all non-factors...

ron paul is ron paul...

his public speaking is atrocious and some of his ideas are beyond outrageous...

but he's a loveable old cuss and brings some excitement to the table...

nevertheless, if i were a republican, i'd be looking for someone else to get into the race...

KILLER_CLOWN
09-08-2011, 12:06 PM
i don't think anyone won the debate...

huntsman seems to be the only sane one of the bunch, but he has virtually no support...

i thought perry hurt himself with the moderate independent vote and romney stayed steady on course, with lots of lip service to the tea party, but didn't really advance his cause...

bachman, santorum and cain are all non-factors...

ron paul is ron paul...

his public speaking is atrocious and some of his ideas are beyond outrageous...

but he's a loveable old cuss and brings some excitement to the table...

nevertheless, if i were a republican, i'd be looking for someone else to get into the race...

Who? does the Barachnid have a brother?

patteeu
09-08-2011, 12:13 PM
I'm sure there are reasons for it Pat. All I'm saying is that I don't consider him the standard bearer for what I consider conservative politics is all.

Who is your standard bearer?

I have my differences with Reagan's version of conservatism, too, but even if I could find some obscure, far less successful, conservative politician that was more well aligned with me (and off the top of my head I can't), it would be kind of ridiculous for me to call him a standard bearer.

Saul Good
09-08-2011, 12:14 PM
i don't think anyone won the debate...

huntsman seems to be the only sane one of the bunch, but he has virtually no support...

i thought perry hurt himself with the moderate independent vote and romney stayed steady on course, with lots of lip service to the tea party, but didn't really advance his cause...

bachman, santorum and cain are all non-factors...

ron paul is ron paul...

his public speaking is atrocious and some of his ideas are beyond outrageous...

but he's a loveable old cuss and brings some excitement to the table...

nevertheless, if i were a republican, i'd be looking for someone else to get into the race...

For a guy who backed the least qualified candidate in history, you sure hold the Republican candidates to an awfully high standard.

go bowe
09-08-2011, 12:19 PM
Who? does the Barachnid have a brother?

well who is the $64,000 question, isn't it?

i don't see anybody other than christie and he won't live long enough to make it through his first term...

have you seen him lately?

i thought i looked fat at 390 lb. but that man is truly massively morbidly obese...

go bowe
09-08-2011, 12:26 PM
For a guy who backed the least qualified candidate in history, you sure hold the Republican candidates to an awfully high standard.

hold on there skippy...

you haven't seem me back the big o at all around here, have you?

sure, i voted for him, twice, but it was more a vote against palin than a vote for obama...

if the repubs can nominate a good candidate that person will get my vote this time around...

so far, the field doesn't include any rational sane people other than unelectables like gingrich and huntsman...

romney is a major flip flopper and perry is scary...

just give me a candidate who can win the moderate and independent vote and i will back that person and vote republican this time around...

fwiw, i voted for geedubya twice...

Saul Good
09-08-2011, 12:58 PM
hold on there skippy...

you haven't seem me back the big o at all around here, have you?

sure, i voted for him, twice, but it was more a vote against palin than a vote for obama...

if the repubs can nominate a good candidate that person will get my vote this time around...

so far, the field doesn't include any rational sane people other than unelectables like gingrich and huntsman...

romney is a major flip flopper and perry is scary...

just give me a candidate who can win the moderate and independent vote and i will back that person and vote republican this time around...

fwiw, i voted for geedubya twice...

There were at least 6 people on that stage who would be better choices than Obama.

go bowe
09-08-2011, 01:08 PM
There were at least 6 people on that stage who would be better choices than Obama.

obama's no peach, that's for sure...

but each of those 6 have serious weaknesses that might cost the repubs the election, even with obama as the opponent...

and none of the six, with the possible exception of huntsman, are people that i would vote for...

and it's the independent vote that will decide the election...

none of them appeal to the independent, at least not to this independent voter...

Radar Chief
09-08-2011, 01:10 PM
hold on there skippy...

you haven't seem me back the big o at all around here, have you?

sure, i voted for him, twice...

You voted for Obama twice? :eek:
I’m starting to see how he won the election now. :hmmm:

go bowe
09-08-2011, 01:12 PM
You voted for Obama twice? :eek:
I’m starting to see how he won the election now. :hmmm:

i was wondering if anybody would notice that... :D :D :D

as they say in chicago, vote early and often...

Calcountry
09-08-2011, 02:22 PM
I thought Romney and Huntsman had the best debates. I didn't think Paul had a great debate. I think he did fine, but he is much better in a town hall format than a debate format.Thread over, I don't need to read any farther. The wise ass has spoken.

Jaric
09-08-2011, 02:24 PM
Who is your standard bearer?

I have my differences with Reagan's version of conservatism, too, but even if I could find some obscure, far less successful, conservative politician that was more well aligned with me (and off the top of my head I can't), it would be kind of ridiculous for me to call him a standard bearer.

Perhaps standard bearer wasn't the right phrase, although I'm struggling to find the right one.

Off the top of my head, when I think about conservative politics, two names spring to mind. The first is Ron Paul, the second is Barry Goldwater.

Now would probably be the time to give you the disclaimer that what I consider a conservative ideology isn't exactly the widely accepted view today.

patteeu
09-08-2011, 02:58 PM
Perhaps standard bearer wasn't the right phrase, although I'm struggling to find the right one.

Off the top of my head, when I think about conservative politics, two names spring to mind. The first is Ron Paul, the second is Barry Goldwater.

Now would probably be the time to give you the disclaimer that what I consider a conservative ideology isn't exactly the widely accepted view today.

The biggest difference I see between Goldwater and Reagan philosophically is that Reagan gave lip service to the religious right while Goldwater openly defied them at times. I find myself more on the Goldwater side of that divide, but without the social conservatives as political allies, Reagan would have probably failed to make it to the WH just like Goldwater did.

Jaric
09-08-2011, 04:07 PM
The biggest difference I see between Goldwater and Reagan philosophically is that Reagan gave lip service to the religious right while Goldwater openly defied them at times. I find myself more on the Goldwater side of that divide, but without the social conservatives as political allies, Reagan would have probably failed to make it to the WH just like Goldwater did.
I can't stand the religious right. (note, that is not saying I can't stand religion) I see them as nothing but democrats with bibles.

go bowe
09-08-2011, 04:09 PM
I can't stand the religious right. (note, that is not saying I can't stand religion) I see them as nothing but democrats with bibles.

democrats??? :eek:

you must really not like them...

Jaric
09-08-2011, 04:11 PM
democrats??? :eek:

you must really not like them...

Yeah, I really don't. Religion can be a beautiful thing. Until the point that you try to force it on others then it turns incredibly ugly very quickly.

ROYC75
09-08-2011, 04:45 PM
Paul, winning a poll ?

The guy is nuts! I like many of his views, but seriously, the fence is to keep us in ?

Like I said, Nuts!

Radar Chief
09-08-2011, 04:49 PM
I can't stand the religious right. (note, that is not saying I can't stand religion) I see them as nothing but democrats with bibles.

Religion is a good thing I say, taken in moderation. /Coleman

CoMoChief
09-08-2011, 05:05 PM
Paul, winning a poll ?

The guy is nuts! I like many of his views, but seriously, the fence is to keep us in ?

Like I said, Nuts!

How is Paul nuts? First of all Paul has said numerous times that it's the state's responsibility for border control, if you're a border state. Have you heard any of the shit the other establishment spews out....or even better...have you seen their voting record and some of the legislation they pass? We live in a time where the people who are elected look out for themselves first, then the people second.

It's funny to see and hear people defend the same people that continue to fuck them over and over.

Honest question.......why wouldn't Ron Paul make a good president? I haven't heard one solid answer as to why he wouldn't be one. People say he's nuts and a kook....but can't say why other than that he's an old griping man.

Taco John
09-08-2011, 05:26 PM
Paul, winning a poll ?

The guy is nuts! I like many of his views, but seriously, the fence is to keep us in ?

Like I said, Nuts!

I don't think that you fully understand what Paul was talking about.

Currently, you must declare it if you plan on taking more than $10K out of the country. And if you do take that much out of the country, you get interrogated... What are you doing? Where will you be doing it? Why are you doing it? Etc. It's a pretty simple matter for the federal government to lower that declaration requirement value - let's say to $1000 - claiming a fiscal emergency without getting any sort of rebellion started. Hell, you'd probably get half the people in this country to stand up and applaud it.

patteeu
09-08-2011, 07:25 PM
How is Paul nuts? First of all Paul has said numerous times that it's the state's responsibility for border control, if you're a border state. Have you heard any of the shit the other establishment spews out....or even better...have you seen their voting record and some of the legislation they pass? We live in a time where the people who are elected look out for themselves first, then the people second.

It's funny to see and hear people defend the same people that continue to **** them over and over.

Honest question.......why wouldn't Ron Paul make a good president? I haven't heard one solid answer as to why he wouldn't be one. People say he's nuts and a kook....but can't say why other than that he's an old griping man.

I think the problem is that you don't know what a solid answer looks like.

ROYC75
09-08-2011, 09:35 PM
How is Paul nuts? First of all Paul has said numerous times that it's the state's responsibility for border control, if you're a border state. Have you heard any of the shit the other establishment spews out....or even better...have you seen their voting record and some of the legislation they pass? We live in a time where the people who are elected look out for themselves first, then the people second.

It's funny to see and hear people defend the same people that continue to **** them over and over.

Honest question.......why wouldn't Ron Paul make a good president? I haven't heard one solid answer as to why he wouldn't be one. People say he's nuts and a kook....but can't say why other than that he's an old griping man.


Answer a few questions, OK.

Does Paul really think the border patrol belongs to the states?

Does Paul really feel that allowing many drugs to be legal is good for our kids ?

Does Paul really feel that we should close down all of our US bases across the world ?

Does Paul really think that cutting our military budget and closing down bases will make the world safer and our country safer?

I have many questions for Mr Paul to prove to me he is presidential.

On the flip side, I have or share many views of Ron Paul. But not enough to lean his way.

Right now, I don't know where I will lean. Not happy with what we have now. Can a candidate grow on me, sure, but right now, I just dunno.

BWillie
09-09-2011, 12:08 AM
I like the black guy. He's cool. He has a plan for everything. 999 plan. Plan for this. Plan for that. He can do it on catch phrases!

KILLER_CLOWN
09-09-2011, 12:22 AM
I like the black guy. He's cool. He has a plan for everything. 999 plan. Plan for this. Plan for that. He can do it on catch phrases!

Obama? Oh nevermind he's white.