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Count Zarth
09-08-2011, 01:09 PM
Faith in Manning biting Colts now
(http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/faith-in-peyton-manning-biting-indianapolis-colts-now-090811)

Peyton Manning, the gold standard for game-day preparation, left the Indianapolis Colts totally unprepared for this football inevitability.

Even in this era of two-hand touch on the quarterback, no one — not Tom Brady or even Brett Favre — plays them all. Not in the NFL.

There is a price for going all in with one player for such an extended time, and the Colts are about to pay it.

That is not written to undervalue the rewards reaped from No. 18. Whatever the toll for his neck injury, back pain, potentially lengthy stay on the sideline and Indy’s unpreparedness for his absence — and I think the penalties could be steep — you can argue Manning was well worth it.

Manning’s value to and impact on Indianapolis exceeds Michael Jordan’s to Chicago, Favre’s to Green Bay, Muhammad Ali’s to Louisville, and Larry Bird’s to Boston.

Beyond the regular-season victories, the playoff appearances, the Super Bowl title and the passing records, Peyton Manning gave my hometown an identity. He took the Nap out of “Naptown.” He made out-of-towners acknowledge the success of former Mayor Bill Hudnut’s transformation of downtown Indy from parking lot ghost town to bustling, trendy entertainment destination. Manning made the Hoosier Dome rock and Lucas Oil Stadium a suitable location for the Super Bowl.

Manning arrived in Indiana in the last days of Bobby Knight’s reign at Indiana University and shortly after the state ruined its two most cherished and famous traditions, single-class high school basketball (Hoosier Hysteria) and the Indy 500 (Tony George’s split with CART).

Manning led a football revolution. A state defined by basketball and a city known for open-wheel racing fell in love with football and the home team’s goofy quarterback.

High school football now rules the state. My alma mater, Warren Central High, a powerhouse since the days of Jeff George, is now a football factory, a contender for the mythical national championship, home to more than 15 Division I prospects. My Warriors will have a difficult time winning the big-class state championship. That’s how good football has become in a former basketball state.

Peyton Manning embodies Indiana the way Bobby Knight once did. Knight was a dictator who lorded over an empire not entirely his own creation. Manning, surprisingly, is a dictator, too, albeit a kinder, gentler one. Because he is solely responsible for creating Indy’s football culture, Manning’s stranglehold on the Colts is firmer than Knight’s grasp was on Indiana basketball.

After a fluky, Mike Davis-led run to the Final Four, Indiana basketball collapsed sans Knight.

I can’t imagine the Colts surviving a week, let alone a season sans 18. They’re not remotely prepared. Manning never gave them the freedom to prepare. For years he required his personal valet, Jim Sorgi, be retained as Indy’s backup quarterback. In the mid-2000s, Tony Dungy brought in his old Tampa quarterback Shaun King to back up Manning. King had playoff and regular-season experience. He outplayed Sorgi in the preseason. King was cut.

Curtis Painter was being groomed to be Manning’s new valet. But Painter simply can’t master the art of pretending to be a capable clipboard holder. He’s terrible. The lockout didn’t mask or excuse his incompetence.

The Colts have drafted two quarterbacks since 1998 (the year Manning was plucked at No. 1): Sorgi in the sixth round of 2004 and Painter in the sixth round of 2009.

The Colts have never taken Manning insurance. Recent signee Kerry Collins is not insurance. He’s a retired fire extinguisher.

According to Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz, Manning experienced (unreported) neck problems throughout the 2010 season and tried all kinds of non-surgical solutions early in the offseason before agreeing to surgery in late May. Manning signed a new, $90 million contract in July.

Manning got his money before anyone truly understood the seriousness of his neck injury. Manning took care of Manning. He made it difficult for the Colts to take care of the Colts. Surgery in February might have allowed the Colts to consider selecting a quarterback high in the latest draft.

The Packers picked Aaron Rodgers when Favre was 36, still healthy and taking every snap. Manning is 35.

What’s even rougher for the Colts is their entire offensive system is predicated on having Manning at the controls. For the last decade, Manning has been Indy’s offensive coordinator. He ran the offense on the field and consulted with Tom Moore on the sideline. Moore is gone. So is Tony Dungy. You can make a pretty compelling case Manning is Indy’s head coach. Jim Caldwell simply wears the headset.

The Colts aren’t going anywhere without Peyton Manning.

I think Bill Polian is the best general manager in football and maybe the best in all of professional sports. But he can’t fix this. The whole organization is built around 18.

The success (Super Bowl, new stadium) and failure (only one title and consistent offensive stinkers in the postseason) of the Colts the past decade can all be directly tied to an overreliance on Manning. I wrote a column about this issue in January when the Colts lost to the Jets in the playoffs.

I believe Manning wanted and manipulated the organization into being singularly attached to his rare talent. It was fun calling the plays and signing the record contracts that go along with being the most important player in football.

Sunday won’t be fun, and it just might foreshadow what’s in store for the Colts moving forward.

blaise
09-08-2011, 01:10 PM
Can you imagine if they go from Manning to Luck?

Dayze
09-08-2011, 01:12 PM
Colts would've never done that if Manning were black / ~

Cave Johnson
09-08-2011, 01:13 PM
Can you imagine if they go from Manning to Luck?

I'd stab a fat hump or two.

Stewie
09-08-2011, 01:14 PM
He should have used more bubble wrap.

Pants
09-08-2011, 01:17 PM
Can you imagine if they go from Manning to Luck?

I was thinking the exact same thing as I was reading that article. Yeah, Colts might tank without Manning only to draft fucking Luck.

alpha_omega
09-08-2011, 01:18 PM
...a powerhouse since the days of Jeff George....

I knew he couldn't go a whole article without saying it.

Amnorix
09-08-2011, 01:21 PM
I think Bill Polian is the best general manager in football and maybe the best in all of professional sports. But he can’t fix this. The whole organization is built around 18.



Yeah....no.

MahiMike
09-08-2011, 01:28 PM
I predict the Colts win the division w/Kerry Collins. Manning comes back just in time for the playoffs and does a Griese impression. The millions of stories about Favre are a distant memory to the 2011 Peyton Place drama.

Count Zarth
09-08-2011, 01:30 PM
If it's Luck in Indy or Luck in Denver, by all means, send him to Indy.

Jaric
09-08-2011, 01:37 PM
Jason Whitlock can kiss the fattest part of my ass and then suck my balls.

That is if he isn't already preoccupied massaging Jeff George's shaft.

4th and Long
09-08-2011, 01:38 PM
Whitlock on Manning
I don't need that image running around in my head.

the Talking Can
09-08-2011, 01:42 PM
I'm sure the Colts will spend 30 years signing backups instead of drafting a 1st round QB, using the Chiefs as a model...

Chief Roundup
09-08-2011, 01:42 PM
I haven't seen anything that says Manning will miss the entire season. So what if he misses a game or two.

the Talking Can
09-08-2011, 01:45 PM
I haven't seen anything that says Manning will miss the entire season. So what if he misses a game or two.

yeah, bet another surgery on his neck to correct a bad nerve in his tricep that hasn't healed in monhts is nothing to worry about..he'll be back in a few days

Saul Good
09-08-2011, 01:52 PM
How is Polian the best GM in pro sports? He's had the best QB in history for a decade and a half with 1 ring to show for it. Minus that QB, they don't sniff the playoffs. I don't get it.

ChiefsCountry
09-08-2011, 01:56 PM
How is Polian the best GM in pro sports? He's had the best QB in history for a decade and a half with 1 ring to show for it. Minus that QB, they don't sniff the playoffs. I don't get it.

Hmm he built Buffalo Bills teams of the early 90s and also made Panthers into NFC runner ups in their second season.

Dayze
09-08-2011, 01:59 PM
did Polian pick the QBs for those teams? (asking because I don't know)

Pestilence
09-08-2011, 02:01 PM
If I'm the Colts.....what year would I rather take a QB in the 1st round? Hmmm.....I'm pretty sure I'd rather have the QBs in the next years class than the ones in this past class.

rad
09-08-2011, 02:02 PM
did Polian pick the QBs for those teams? (asking because I don't know)

Kerry Collins was the QB in Carolina back then. I believe they did draft him out of Penn State

Dayze
09-08-2011, 02:05 PM
Kerry Collins was the QB in Carolina back then. I believe they did draft him out of Penn State

...and I think Kelly was originaly in the USFL?

ChiefsCountry
09-08-2011, 02:09 PM
did Polian pick the QBs for those teams? (asking because I don't know)

He drafted Collins and the Bills already had Kelly's rights but he convinced him to play for the Bills. He didn't draft Kelly or Bruce Smith, but he built most of that roster.

rad
09-08-2011, 02:10 PM
...and I think Kelly was originaly in the USFL?

Polian didn't draft Kelly, but got him back from the USFL in '86.

Dayze
09-08-2011, 02:10 PM
He drafted Collins and the Bills already had Kelly's rights but he convinced him to play for the Bills. He didn't draft Kelly or Bruce Smith, but he built most of that roster.

thanks.
Just curious if he drafted Kelly etc. Inititally I was looking at their successes and grabbing a franchise qb etc.

rad
09-08-2011, 02:11 PM
He drafted Collins and the Bills already had Kelly's rights but he convinced him to play for the Bills. He didn't draft Kelly or Bruce Smith, but he built most of that roster.

(dang)

DJJasonp
09-08-2011, 02:12 PM
I'm convinced Jeff George has compromising photos of Whitlock.

Pestilence
09-08-2011, 02:16 PM
I'm pretty sure that Manning never told the Colts...."If you draft a QB...then I'll leave forever!". The Colts have had opportunities to get a capable backup for Manning in the last couple of years.....they just never took the opportunity.

HemiEd
09-08-2011, 02:18 PM
Why can't the Chiefs have them on the schedule this year? They have a few ass whoopins coming.

Pestilence
09-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Why can't the Chiefs have them on the schedule this year? They have a few ass whoopins coming.

:spock:

HemiEd
09-08-2011, 02:20 PM
:spock:

Oops, sorry I missed it. Cool.

Dayze
09-08-2011, 02:22 PM
Oops, sorry I missed it. Cool.

NooB

:D

HemiEd
09-08-2011, 02:26 PM
NooB

:D

Yeah, no kidding. I even looked at the schedule to check for sure, before I posted it. I blame Cassel.

Bearcat
09-08-2011, 02:29 PM
According to Indianapolis Star columnist Bob Kravitz, Manning experienced (unreported) neck problems throughout the 2010 season and tried all kinds of non-surgical solutions early in the offseason before agreeing to surgery in late May. Manning signed a new, $90 million contract in July.

Manning got his money before anyone truly understood the seriousness of his neck injury. Manning took care of Manning. He made it difficult for the Colts to take care of the Colts. Surgery in February might have allowed the Colts to consider selecting a quarterback high in the latest draft.

Heh, he goes on and on and on (and on) about how important Manning is to the team, then writes like Manning knew how serious it was and just wanted a pay day. Of course he played with it last year and held off on surgery until he absolutely had to do it.... he's that fucking important. Manning didn't screw them out of solid backup... that's ridiculous.

Deberg_1990
09-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Heh, he goes on and on and on (and on) about how important Manning is to the team, then writes like Manning knew how serious it was and just wanted a pay day. Of course he played with it last year and held off on surgery until he absolutely had to do it.... he's that ****ing important. Manning didn't screw them out of solid backup... that's ridiculous.

Agreed. The Colts made the mistake of not drafting a decent backup for the past 2 or 3 years. Cant blame them too much though, Manning has basically been "Ironman"

Nobodies at major fault here, every Dynasty has to end at some point....

lcarus
09-08-2011, 02:45 PM
Once I saw the title of this thread, I started to think it may be how Peyton's injury occured.

Amnorix
09-08-2011, 03:34 PM
Agreed. The Colts made the mistake of not drafting a decent backup for the past 2 or 3 years. Cant blame them too much though, Manning has basically been "Ironman"



Ironman or not, it's ridiculous to basically ignore the backup QB position altogether year after year after year. You're begging for disaster sooner or later, and now they're about to receive what they've been begging for.

I'm not saying you draft a 1st round pick at the position, but seriously, they haven't invested *anything* at the position in 10 years...

Amnorix
09-08-2011, 03:49 PM
Here's the link to Colts' drafts:

http://www.fftoday.com/nfl/drafttracker.php?o=by_team&TeamID=9001

In the 13 drafts since drafting Manning in 1998, the Colts have used a grand total of TWO picks on Quarterbacks, both occurring very late in the 6th round (28th pick each time, coincidentally). It's just dumb.

Patriots in 11 drafts (with Brady "in hand"), by comparison:

2011: Mallett, high 3rd
2010: Robinson, late 7th
2008: O'Connell, late 3rd
2005: Cassel, mid 7th
2003: Klingsbury, late 6th
2002: Davey, mid 4th


Bottom line is that the Colts pretty much intentionally said "fuck it, if we lose Manning we're dead anyway, so we're not even going to try to have an adequate backup."

Good luck with that.

mikey23545
09-08-2011, 03:51 PM
I'm convinced Jeff George has compromising photos of Whitlock <b>and himself</b>.

FYP.

Frankie
09-08-2011, 03:57 PM
Whitlock on Manning

Can you post a GIF?

PunkinDrublic
09-08-2011, 03:58 PM
I'll bet even Jeff George himself is getting sick of being mentioned in Whitlocks lame ass football columns.

BigMeatballDave
09-08-2011, 03:59 PM
I'm sure Payton will give some money back...

PunkinDrublic
09-08-2011, 04:02 PM
I'm sure Payton will give some money back...

He'll make it back by landing a neckbrace endorsement.

Just Passin' By
09-08-2011, 04:12 PM
Can you post a GIF?

You want us all to go blind?

Count Zarth
09-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Can you post a GIF?

google image search "gay interracial"

bevischief
09-08-2011, 04:43 PM
I haven't seen anything that says Manning will miss the entire season. So what if he misses a game or two.

He is out for 2-3 months...

Backwards Masking
09-08-2011, 05:04 PM
"Manning got his money before anyone truly understood the seriousness of his neck injury. Manning took care of Manning. He made it difficult for the Colts to take care of the Colts. Surgery in February might have allowed the Colts to consider selecting a quarterback high in the latest draft." - Whitlock

Will everyone who called Brett Favre a scumbag for trying to screw over his own team refer to Manning in the same way? Manning brought the same number of rings to Indy that Favre did to GB, at least Favre didn't screw GB out of bunch of money right before he left.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-08-2011, 05:06 PM
They'll eventually put him on IR.

Backwards Masking
09-08-2011, 05:07 PM
He'll make it back by landing a neckbrace endorsement.

Sadly that's probably true. We may have seen the last of Peyton on the field, which is cool (I'm a Chiefs fan and i hate Manning, sorry) but we'll still see his ugly product whoring mug on every other commerical long after he retires.

Unless, of course, that neck injury gets super serious....

BigRock
09-08-2011, 05:44 PM
Will everyone who called Brett Favre a scumbag for trying to screw over his own team refer to Manning in the same way?
No, because everything Whitlock said is horseshit.

Manning had neck surgery a year ago. He had problems with his neck throughout last season. How is it his fault that the Colts didn't start thinking "Hmm, maybe we should plan ahead"?

As Whitlock pointed out himself, there was nothing wrong with Favre when the Packers drafted Rodgers. The Colts didn't have that foresight. Worse yet, they didn't have that foresight after Manning had surgery on his neck the first time. But now it's Manning's fault for not having his SECOND neck surgery on a schedule that would have let the Colts look at a replacement in the draft? Bitch, please.

And after he had his second surgery, the Colts gave him a new contract. They gave him a new contract after the lockout ended and their staff had a chance to examine him. What did Peyton do, hold them up at gunpoint? Hypnotize them and erase his bad neck from their memories?

This is embarrassing.

Backwards Masking
09-08-2011, 05:56 PM
No, because everything Whitlock said is horseshit.

Manning had neck surgery a year ago. He had problems with his neck throughout last season. How is it his fault that the Colts didn't start thinking "Hmm, maybe we should plan ahead"?

As Whitlock pointed out himself, there was nothing wrong with Favre when the Packers drafted Rodgers. The Colts didn't have that foresight. Worse yet, they didn't have that foresight after Manning had surgery on his neck the first time. But now it's Manning's fault for not having his SECOND neck surgery on a schedule that would have let the Colts look at a replacement in the draft? Bitch, please.

And after he had his second surgery, the Colts gave him a new contract. They gave him a new contract after the lockout ended and their staff had a chance to examine him. What did Peyton do, hold them up at gunpoint? Hypnotize them and erase his bad neck from their memories?

This is embarrassing.

Oh, the Colts are responsible for handing Manning the money, no doubt about that. But, as Whitlock has just done, there are people who will say Manning "robbed them" "screwed them over" and all the rest IF Peyton is ineed done and doesnt return the cash.

Just wondering what people might think.

JoeyChuckles
09-08-2011, 06:13 PM
Can you imagine if they go from Manning to Luck?

How many teams ever get two top-tier QBs back to back, let alone one?

Count Zarth
09-08-2011, 06:14 PM
Peyton Manning - QB - Colts
According to Dr. Wellington K. Hsu, who specializes in orthopaedic and neurological surgery, there is only a five percent chance of another surgery for players who undergo a cervical fusion as Peyton Manning did Thursday.
Hsu notes that quarterbacks "fare pretty well compared to other positions because they can predetermine their movements." Hsu believes Manning could be back on the field in 12 weeks, give or take, with an aggressive rehab schedule. It's a fairly common surgery for football players, and Hsu insists it's "simply not true" that the surgery is career threatening in nature. "I think Peyton, being the stalwart that he is, playing the position that he does, has a very, very good prognosis for coming back," opined Hsu.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-08-2011, 06:14 PM
How many teams ever get two top-tier QBs back to back, let alone one?

Packers. Bastards lol

BossChief
09-08-2011, 06:21 PM
most important part of this in how it relates to the Chiefs:

1 more victory

Count Zarth
09-08-2011, 06:23 PM
most important part of this in how it relates to the Chiefs:

1 more victory

More margin for error during the terror stretch.

Could literally be the difference between the playoffs and staying home.

OctoberFart
09-08-2011, 06:26 PM
Yeah these colts will get luck now. They will be terrible. It's like how spurs got duncan.

Armyofme
09-08-2011, 09:41 PM
How many teams ever get two top-tier QBs back to back, let alone one?

49ers and the Packers are the only ones I can think of.

kysirsoze
09-08-2011, 10:01 PM
Can you imagine if they go from Manning to Luck?

That's almost like a team going from Favre to Rodgers. Unbelievable.

Frankie
09-08-2011, 10:08 PM
Yeah these colts will get luck now. They will be terrible. It's like how spurs got duncan.

I would totally puke if they did. There aught to be a rule against that.

Micjones
09-08-2011, 10:24 PM
I stopped reading after Whitlock said Manning was more valuable to Indianapolis than Jordan was to Chicago.

Backwards Masking
09-08-2011, 10:31 PM
I stopped reading after Whitlock said Manning was more valuable to Indianapolis than Jordan was to Chicago.

it made me want to see how much more stupid sh*t he could possibly say. Not sure if he topped this one, but damn did he try.