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patteeu
09-10-2011, 08:49 AM
Obviously, this kind of gaffe makes him unfit for the office that he holds. What a dope.

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banyon
09-10-2011, 09:07 AM
I can't see anything.

Is there something up with the embed code?

mlyonsd
09-10-2011, 09:55 AM
Evidently someone else wrote the speech. /obots

We didn't have time to fact the speech. /administration

Yeah that's it, simple mistake. /obots

You'd think a former rep and senator from Illinois would know something about Lincoln. /sane people

orange
09-10-2011, 10:34 AM
He was A founder. Not THE founder. There was no "THE" founder. Unless you have a name you want to give us?

ROYC75
09-10-2011, 10:51 AM
He was A founder. Not THE founder. There was no "THE" founder. Unless you have a name you want to give us?

Hey Bozo, listen to it. Founder of the Republican party..... straight from Obot's lips.

LiveSteam
09-10-2011, 10:54 AM
He was A founder. Not THE founder. There was no "THE" founder. Unless you have a name you want to give us?

You can spin dog shit into gold cant ya orangeblossomspecial

Mr. Kotter
09-10-2011, 10:58 AM
He was A founder. Not THE founder. There was no "THE" founder. Unless you have a name you want to give us?

Yep. Anyone would be hard-pressed to persuade any reasonable person that there was anyone else more important in founding the Republican party than Lincoln--unless one wants to parse or deflect by claiming it was Horace Greeley, John Freemont, or some other such early activitist.

Jenson71
09-10-2011, 11:03 AM
Yep. Anyone would be hard-pressed to persuade any reasonable person that there was anyone else more important in founding the Republican party than Lincoln--unless one wants to parse or deflect by claiming it was Horace Greeley, John Freemont, or some other such early activitist.

Abraham Lincoln was simply not a founder of the Republican Party. Obama was wrong.

Reaper16
09-10-2011, 11:05 AM
Founder is the wrong word. As the first Republican Party president, he's the most visible face of the young GOP, but he's not technically a founder.

banyon
09-10-2011, 11:09 AM
I can't see anything.

Is there something up with the embed code?

Nevermind. I had not updated my Adobe Flash apparently.

But I agree Lincoln was not the founder.

That's hardly on the level of Bachmann though.

Mr. Kotter
09-10-2011, 11:59 AM
Abraham Lincoln was simply not a founder of the Republican Party. Obama was wrong.

Technically, perhaps; but any educated person understands what he meant.

BigChiefFan
09-10-2011, 01:01 PM
You can spin dog shit into gold cant ya orangeblossomspecialI picture Robert Gibbs, everytime I read a post from Orange.

patteeu
09-10-2011, 01:03 PM
He was A founder. Not THE founder. There was no "THE" founder. Unless you have a name you want to give us?

No, Lincoln was not even A founder. The Republican party was founded in 1854, the same year that Lincoln ran for Senate as a Whig.

That's hardly on the level of Bachmann though.

I guess, if we want to ignore strict accuracy, we could say that he was a "founder" of the Republican party in the same way that Michelle Bachmann used the term when she claimed that the founders worked tirelessly for abolition until the slaves were freed. (Seems like it's on a level that's almost indistinguishable from Bachmann's to me).

patteeu
09-10-2011, 01:08 PM
By the way, here's what White House spokesman, Jay Carney, has to say about all this Lincoln/founder business:

He gives a good speech, but he’s loose with the facts. He called Abraham Lincoln the “founder” of the Republican Party. Nope. Lincoln was not the founder of the party; he wasn’t even the first Republican nominee (John Fremont was, in 1856). Lincoln was, of course, the first Republican to be elected president.

Priceless (http://swampland.time.com/2008/09/03/huckabee_errata/).

patteeu
09-10-2011, 01:12 PM
I picture Robert Gibbs, everytime I read a post from Orange.

Orange isn't a dufus. He's more like Tony Snow, except without the benefit of having truth and justice on his side.

Saul Good
09-10-2011, 03:24 PM
Lincoln also didn't set up the first land grant colleges.

mikey23545
09-10-2011, 04:24 PM
He was A founder. Not THE founder. There was no "THE" founder. Unless you have a name you want to give us?

Yep. Anyone would be hard-pressed to persuade any reasonable person that there was anyone else more important in founding the Republican party than Lincoln--unless one wants to parse or deflect by claiming it was Horace Greeley, John Freemont, or some other such early activitist.

Nevermind. I had not updated my Adobe Flash apparently.

But I agree Lincoln was not the founder.

That's hardly on the level of Bachmann though.

Technically, perhaps; but any educated person understands what he meant.

LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Donger
09-10-2011, 04:26 PM
By the way, here's what White House spokesman, Jay Carney, has to say about all this Lincoln/founder business:



Priceless (http://swampland.time.com/2008/09/03/huckabee_errata/).

I'm sure that Jay will correct his boss with great enthusiasm. LMAO

mikey23545
09-10-2011, 04:27 PM
Technically, perhaps; but any educated person understands <strike>what he meant</strike> he was dead ****ing wrong, no matter which of the 57 states he was speaking in.


FYP.

Mr. Kotter
09-10-2011, 04:31 PM
FYP.

No, it's only teaparty douchebags and ideologically jaded clowns like you that engage in silly gotcha games, even though educated people understand what he meant.

Bwana
09-10-2011, 04:34 PM
Barry LMAO

mikey23545
09-10-2011, 04:45 PM
No, it's only teaparty douchebags and ideologically jaded clowns like you that engage in silly gotcha games, even though educated people understand what he meant.

Yeah, I have to admit no lib ever hovered over every word ever uttered by GWB, Bachmann, Palin, et al waiting for a slip up...


You and Obama need to stop engaging in erotic asphyxiation. I really believe you're starting to suffer from brain damage.

VAChief
09-10-2011, 04:57 PM
Yeah, I have to admit no lib ever hovered over every word ever uttered by GWB, Bachmann, Palin, et al waiting for a slip up...


You and Obama need to stop engaging in erotic asphyxiation. I really believe you're starting to suffer from brain damage.

So you're saying that was petty and this is petty.

Mr. Kotter
09-10-2011, 05:00 PM
Yeah, I have to admit no lib ever hovered over every word ever uttered by GWB, Bachmann, Palin, et al waiting for a slip up....

See, I was never one to get excited when W made silly mistakes either; Palin and Bachmann have raised it to a new level at times. Regardless, I've generally refrained from criticizing them too harshly over the silly stuff...and stuck to the lunatic fringe stuff when being critical. This is nothing but silly stuff.

So you're saying that was petty and this is petty.

Exactly. Petty, silly, and childish all around.

Saul Good
09-10-2011, 05:01 PM
See, I was never one to get excited when W made silly mistakes either; Palin and Bachmann have raised it to a new level at times. Regardless, I've generally refrained from criticizing them too harshly over the silly stuff...and stuck to the lunatic fringe stuff when being critical. This is nothing but silly stuff.



Exactly. Petty, silly, and childish all around.

How about the part where Obama said that Lincoln started land grant universities?

Mr. Kotter
09-10-2011, 05:02 PM
How about the part where Obama said that Lincoln started land grant universities?

Well, the Morrill Act was signed by him.... :shrug:

Saul Good
09-10-2011, 05:03 PM
At least this was an honest mistake. Remember when Hillary claimed that her mother used to sing the "look for the union label" song to her at night? The same song that was written in 1975...

Mr. Kotter
09-10-2011, 05:05 PM
At least this was an honest mistake. Remember when Hillary claimed that her mother used to sing the "look for the union label" song to her at night? The same song that was written in 1975...

That....and the she endured live fire and artillery barrages during her trips to Bosnia and Serbia, or where ever she had visited. Heh.

:shake:

Saul Good
09-10-2011, 05:09 PM
Well, the Morrill Act was signed by him.... :shrug:

Those were federal land grants. State land grants had been around for half a century by then.

Mr. Kotter
09-10-2011, 05:23 PM
Those were federal land grants. State land grants had been around for half a century by then.

Parsing language though....those federal land grants for for state colleges. When folks think of land grant colleges, they usually mean those funded by the Morrill Act. So, while imprecise...once again, most would understand what he meant. I haven't listened to his precise verbage, but it seems to be a petty distinction once again.

stevieray
09-10-2011, 05:31 PM
Exactly. Petty, silly, and childish all around.

ya, heard this tune before...i think it was by Dead or Alive ;)

funny how it's always petty for you when it's about obama, but you blow a friggen gasket with BS innuendo, stereotypes and insults when it comes to the tea party or Reps...

Thatguy
09-10-2011, 07:44 PM
You should just be honest, and say what you and most of the DC lounge people are trying to say about this president...He is a N bomb and you cant wait until some one white is back in office...its okay, old angry white men hate the fact that they aren't in control anymore..

patteeu
09-10-2011, 07:48 PM
You should just be honest, and say what you and most of the DC lounge people are trying to say about this president...He is a N bomb and you cant wait until some one white is back in office...its okay, old angry white men hate the fact that they aren't in control anymore..

Nuclear bomb?

headsnap
09-10-2011, 07:49 PM
You should just be honest, and say what you and most of the DC lounge people are trying to say about this president...He is a N bomb and you cant wait until some one white is back in office...its okay, old angry white men hate the fact that they aren't in control anymore..

You have got to be the most racist piece of sh1t on the Planet!!!





but hey, it looks good on you! :thumb:

headsnap
09-10-2011, 07:50 PM
Nuclear bomb?


crap! I guess I took him out of context, he was going all Oppenheimer on us!!!!

Thatguy
09-10-2011, 07:51 PM
You have got to be the most racist piece of sh1t on the Planet!!!





but hey, it looks good on you! :thumb:

No ...that would be the vast majority of DC lounge posters..Im just calling you racist pieces of shit out !

Thatguy
09-10-2011, 07:52 PM
crap! I guess I took him out of context, he was going all Oppenheimer on us!!!!


DC lounge and a Klan rally ...pretty much the same thing

headsnap
09-10-2011, 07:55 PM
No ...that would be the vast majority of DC lounge posters..Im just calling you racist pieces of shit out !

LMAO

patteeu
09-10-2011, 08:53 PM
Thatguy doesn't know anything about BHO except that he has dark skin. But that's apparently enough to make him a big fan.

alnorth
09-10-2011, 10:17 PM
Why are we playing this retarded nit-picky game of speech-parsing gotcha? I didn't care about Bachmann's lack of knowledge on unimportant obscure trivia.

orange
09-11-2011, 01:32 AM
Abraham Lincoln helped establish the Republican Party with a speech denouncing an 1854 law, written by a Democrat Senator, that allowed slavery to expand into the western territories. Two years later, he co-founded the Illinois GOP. Lincoln was runner-up for the 1856 Republican vice presidential nomination and then became a Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate.

More than two years before becoming the first Republican president, Lincoln spoke for the ages: “The Republican Party, on the contrary [to the Democrats], holds that this government was instituted to secure the blessings of freedom, and that slavery is an unqualified evil... [Republicans] will oppose in all its length and breadth the modern Democratic idea that slavery is as good as freedom.”


Read more: http://www.gop.com/index.php/issues/heroes/abraham_lincoln-1/#ixzz1Xcvl32sC

orange
09-11-2011, 01:37 AM
You guys do know what gop means, don't you?

It means that - just like everything else Obama has done - the REPUBLICANS claimed Lincoln as a Founder of the Republican Party - right up until the moment Obama did.


ROFL ROFL ROFL

orange
09-11-2011, 01:44 AM
Oh, and by the way - speaking of Republicans claiming Lincoln was a Founder -

I am a Lincoln/Kemp Republican. It’s 150 years ago in Chicago this year that Abraham Lincoln, the founder of the Republican Party, accepted the Republican nomination for President of the United States. — Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN)

Immigration was a core belief of a founder of the Republican party, Abraham Lincoln. — Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani (R)

Though Lincoln was the founder of the Republican Party, to liberals and advocates of civil rights Lincoln was in that pantheon along with FDR as one of the heroes of liberalism and American democracy. — James Pierson on National Review

George W. Bush is not a Goldwater Republican — he’s a Lincoln Republican. Like the founder of the Republican party, Bush doesn’t mind spending money on his priorities, and he doesn’t mind doing some of this spending with borrowed money. — Jerry Bowyer, National Review

It is a pleasure for me to address you upon the day when this club and our countrymen of all faiths throughout the land are paying tribute to the memory of Abraham Lincoln. We tonight also pay tribute to him as founder of the Republican Party and the inspirer of its ideals. — President Herbert Hoover (R)

It was — it was, in fact, the founder of our party, Abraham Lincoln, who reminded us that a government that can do everything for us is the government that can take everything from us. — Gov. Mike Huckabee (R-AR) 2008 RNC Speech

Right up to the moment Obama did.

patteeu
09-11-2011, 06:22 AM
Why are we playing this retarded nit-picky game of speech-parsing gotcha? I didn't care about Bachmann's lack of knowledge on unimportant obscure trivia.

Why are you here? If you aren't one of the people trying to frame Bachmann as a moronic ditz because of the occasional speaking error, then this thread isn't aimed at you.

patteeu
09-11-2011, 06:27 AM
Oh, and by the way - speaking of Republicans claiming Lincoln was a Founder -

...

Right up to the moment Obama did.

When the Republican party was founded, Abraham Lincoln was a Whig. Sorry, orange, "they did it first" isn't a defense here. Besides, I've already linked us to what the other "they" (Obama's current press secretary) said when "they" (Mike Huckabee) made the same mistake.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 08:22 AM
Republican party still has Whigs in it—just a modern version. Say...Neo-Whigs?

ROYC75
09-11-2011, 08:39 AM
It does not matter how many people claim that Lincoln was the founder, a founder, etc. It's is wrong, the GOP was already formed. Was Lincoln intramural for name recognition for the GOP, absolutely, but not the founder, a founder, just an important leader within the early stages of the party.

It was a gaffe, plain and simple. The administration should have done their homework on this.

vailpass
09-11-2011, 10:12 AM
You should just be honest, and say what you and most of the DC lounge people are trying to say about this president...He is a N bomb and you cant wait until some one white is back in office...its okay, old angry white men hate the fact that they aren't in control anymore..

And there it is. obma isn't a horrible potus, people are just racist.
And you should thank God that you are wrong, old angry white people certainly are still in control.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 10:42 AM
It does not matter how many people claim that Lincoln was the founder, a founder, etc. It's is wrong, the GOP was already formed. Was Lincoln intramural for name recognition for the GOP, absolutely, but not the founder, a founder, just an important leader within the early stages of the party.

It was a gaffe, plain and simple. The administration should have done their homework on this.

I'm gonna have to disagree with my fellow righties on this. The GOP actually brags about being the "Party of Lincoln." I mean they have "Lincoln Day Dinners" all the time. I've been to them. Some things have switched...it's true but it's the Democrats, believe it or not who used to be the party of limited govt, free-trade, state's rights and low taxes. Now that the Democrats have become the opposite by shifting left in what became known as The New Left with a socialist leaning with the 1960's flower children coming into power with the Clintons and now Obama, while the Republicans gained a number of the limited govt crowd. That does not mean this crowd defines the GOP, or control it, unfortunately. It just means the grassroots is more like that...and they are not happy campers with the results of Republican presidents as most have been in the BIG govt camp.


The GOP has always been the party of Big Govt — of mercantilism. Teddy Roosevelt was a Progressive by admission. GOP took another leftward turn under Nixon and worse under the Bush administration. The top candidates running under the GOP banner are still part of the old mercantilist, aka BIG govt wing though, just with a modern day version. It is the party of Hamilton. Of course, both parties sing praises to this foreshadower of BIG govt and the Democrats take it further. But it's the mercantilism that makes the socialistic aspects of the Democrat party possible.

patteeu
09-11-2011, 10:47 AM
I'm gonna have to disagree with my fellow righties on this. The GOP actually brags about being the "Party of Lincoln." I mean they have "Lincoln Day Dinners" all the time. I've been to them. Some things have switched...it's true but it's the Democrats, believe it or not who used to be the party of limited govt, free-trade, state's rights and low taxes. Now that the Democrats have become the opposite by shifting left in what became known as The New Left with a socialist leaning with the 1960's flower children coming into power with the Clintons and now Obama, while the Republicans gained a number of the limited govt crowd. That does not mean this crowd defines the GOP, and worse —control it.


The GOP has always been the party of Big Govt — of mercantilism. Even the GOP took a leftward turn under Nixon and worse under the Bush administration. The top candidates running under the GOP banner are still part of the old mercantilist wing though, just with a modern day version. It is the party of Hamilton. Of course, both parties sing praises to this foreshadower of BIG govt but the Democrats take it further. But it's the mercantilism that makes the socialistic aspects of the Democrat party possible.

They also say they're the party of Reagan, but that doesn't mean that Reagan was a founder.

Having said that, I agree that this criticism of Obama is petty and the infraction is insignificant. What's not insignificant though, is the disparate treatment applied to Obama and to Michelle Bachman for similar petty misstatements. Or even more clearly, the disparate treatment applied to Obama and to Mike Huckabee over the exact same misstatement.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 10:53 AM
FYI, I edited. However, Lincoln is often credited as the Founder of the Republican party. It's a fact.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 11:05 AM
Party of Plunder and Lincolns New Deal (http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo84.html)
They support and do the same things today folks.


Some key points to call out:
The Lincoln administration's banking legislation, which Donald also praises, was a precursor to the inflationary-spiral and depression-generating policies of the Fed. They replaced what economic historian Jeffrey Hummel described as the most stable banking system in American history, the so-called free-banking system that existed in the two decades prior to the war, and opened the door to a tremendous centralization of governmental power. That of course is exactly what the Republican Party, comprised of the political descendants of the Federalists and the Whigs, always wanted.


Lincoln's New Deal

Morrill Tariff (1861)
First Income Tax (1861)
Expanded Postal Service (1861)
Homestead Act (1862)
Morrill Land-Grant College Act (1862)
Department of Agriculture (1862)
Bureau of Printing and Engraving (1862)
Transcontinental Railroad Grants (1862, 1863, 1864)
National Banking Acts (1863, 1864, 1865, 1866)
Comptroller of the Currency (1863)
National Academy of Sciences (1863)
"Free" Urban Mail Delivery (1863)
Yosemite Nature Reserve Land Grant (1864)
Contract Labor Act (1864)
Office of Immigration (1864)
Railway Mail Service (1864)
Money Order System (1864)


GOP orchestrated the abolition of the voluntary union of the founding fathers and in its place put a non-voluntary, consolidated empire, waging total war on fellow citizens for four long years ...


To this day politicians — especially Republican Politicians — use the fake history of the origins of the GOP as the Party of Saints during the Lincoln era to "justify" any and all manner of interventions, from an expanded welfare state, to the nationalization of the education system, to the current regime's attempt at imperialistic conquest in the Middle East. But in reality it's the same old Gang of Plunderers.


The Morrill Land-Grant College Act of 1982

Land-grant colleges opened the door to the politicization of higher education that plagues virtually every American college and university today, and is the inevitable result of the politicization of education. The Department of Agriculture was never necessary to educate farmers about the latest seeds; the free market can handle such tasks much more efficiently. Instead, the Department of Agriculture has always been, first and foremost, an enforcer of the agricultural cartel operated by federal politicians on behalf of a very important political bloc, farmers. It is the U.S.D.A. that paid farmers for not raising crops and livestock during the Great Depression, when thousands were starving or suffering from malnutrition. Its programs of paying farmers for not farming have always been simply special-interest politics designed to allow federal politicians to buy votes (with taxpayers' money) from farm communities by plundering American consumers with the higher food prices that are caused by these policies.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 11:09 AM
The GOP plunders for corporations.
The Democrats plunder in the name of the "people"

The two set-ups create a false dichotomy of choices. Both parties legally keep other parties off ballots.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 11:36 AM
Oh, yeah, and the GOP learned it from the Brits.

Thatguy
09-11-2011, 12:02 PM
Free post

ROYC75
09-11-2011, 01:46 PM
FYI, I edited. However, Lincoln is often credited as the Founder of the Republican party. It's a fact.

And yet it is a fact that you are wrong, the GOP was started in Wisconsin, long before Lincoln was elected. Lincoln was a wig for years and ran on the GOP platform, it does not make him the founder. Grant was the 1st 2 term GOP POTUS, yet he isn't listed as a founder?

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 01:48 PM
And yet it is a fact that you are wrong, the GOP was started in Wisconsin, long before Lincoln was elected. Lincoln was a wig for years and ran on the GOP platform, it does not make him the founder. Grant was the 1st 2 term GOP POTUS, yet he isn't listed as a founder?

What I am saying is that I've seen and heard the GOP make the claim he is the "Father of the Party" or calling themselves "The Party of Lincoln" at their Lincoln Dinner events. Unless I can see a link on it starting in Wisconsin, it's a correct claim. And the policies match Lincoln's too. I see "father" the same as calling Washington the "Father of Our Country"—because he was the first president of it, not because he formed it or alone. He had to be persuaded to be part of it too. He was pretty quiet during the Constitutional Convention too.

Anyhow, I don't care what you want to call it since it's still the Whig party, which is the party of Hamilton which is mercantilism and empire. So if we're gonna technically parse the matter, it's really the party of Hamilton. That will make HCf proud.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 01:52 PM
Okay, Roy, all I got from googling that the GOP started in Wisconsin was that it was a proto-GOP in 1854—that's not long before Lincoln's election. Lincoln was elected to the House in 1846 but as a Whig. Lincoln could still be called the Father of the Republican Party....just not a founder if you want to be technical about it. ( FYI I can't see the first post in here.) BTW Huckabee made same mistake in 2008.


"We should not care much whether those thus united (against slavery) were designated 'Whig,' 'Free Democrat' or something else; though we think some simple name like 'Republican' would more fitly designate those who had united to restore the Union to its true mission of champion and promulgator of Liberty rather than propagandist of slavery."~ Horace Greeley printed in June 1854 when he christened it the Republican Party.

Edit— link I forgot earlier.
http://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm

ROYC75
09-11-2011, 02:16 PM
I read it earlier today somewhere, now I can't find it, will keep looking.

But Charles Sumner was against the abolition of slavery, especially during the days of Ks, Mo slavery & the Kansas-Nebraska act.
One could say that Charles Sumner was the driving force of the Republican party.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 02:23 PM
I read it earlier today somewhere, now I can't find it, will keep looking.

But Charles Sumner against the abolition of slavery, especially during the days of Ks, Mo slavery & the Kansas-Nebraska act.

One could say that Charles Sumner was the driving force of the Republican party.

I googled it and found something. I see I forgot the link earlier but I have now put it in as part of an edit. The party was started by Whigs. I would say Abe could be called the "founder" of the modern day Republican party though — due to his policies especially with his income tax which didn't last but was passed by Rs again in the 20th century.

I hardly see this as some major gaffe...it's an understandable error, unless you want to parse it very technically. Many people associate the word "father" as a sort of "founder." I mean its not something THAT important...more like making a mountain out of a molehill kinda gaffe. It's another patteeu moment, like making a big deal out of a Reagan quote because of a comma or separating it from a chapter like most quotes.

ROYC75
09-11-2011, 04:42 PM
BEP,It's not what I was reading earlier today, but it goes a long what you were saying.

http://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm

This is it, it started, had their first organized meeting in Ripon, Wisconsin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party

ClevelandBronco
09-11-2011, 05:08 PM
Okay, Roy, all I got from googling that the GOP started in Wisconsin was that it was a proto-GOP in 1854—that's not long before Lincoln's election. Lincoln was elected to the House in 1846 but as a Whig. Lincoln could still be called the Father of the Republican Party....just not a founder if you want to be technical about it. ( FYI I can't see the first post in here.) BTW Huckabee made same mistake in 2008.


"We should not care much whether those thus united (against slavery) were designated 'Whig,' 'Free Democrat' or something else; though we think some simple name like 'Republican' would more fitly designate those who had united to restore the Union to its true mission of champion and promulgator of Liberty rather than propagandist of slavery."~ Horace Greeley printed in June 1854 when he christened it the Republican Party.

Edit— link I forgot earlier.
http://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm

Honey, you don't get to use quotes. No one here can trust you to use them accurately or honestly.

BucEyedPea
09-11-2011, 05:55 PM
BEP,It's not what I was reading earlier today, but it goes a long what you were saying.

http://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm

This is it, it started, had their first organized meeting in Ripon, Wisconsin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party

That's the one I was referring to. The history site I found, via google, said that version was a proto-Republican party...an early version but it was essentially made of Whigs. Lincoln joined it and was their first man to become president. So Lincoln gets the credit as the "father." It's really the same animal, different label. Just an extension of Hamilton's ideas. Nothing really new about it at all.

ChiTown
09-12-2011, 07:37 AM
Technically, perhaps; but any educated person understands what he meant.

When did you turn into such an Obamapuppet?

patteeu
09-12-2011, 07:39 AM
When did you turn into such an Obamapuppet?

He fell in love before the 2008 elections.

blaise
09-12-2011, 07:45 AM
When did you turn into such an Obamapuppet?

He thinks being a contrarian makes him smart.

ChiTown
09-12-2011, 07:48 AM
He thinks being a contrarian makes him smart.

Actually, sometimes, it just makes you look like a dumbass:shrug:

Saul Good
09-12-2011, 11:10 AM
He thinks being a contrarian makes him smart.

He's not a contrarian. He's a frontrunner. He picks his team after the game has been decided.

go bowe
09-12-2011, 12:14 PM
He's not a contrarian. He's a frontrunner. He picks his team after the game has been decided.

hey now, why youse guys so mean t0 kotter?

i mean, he's not nearly as bad as the conspiracy kooks around here...

i don't know why, but i like frankie and kotter, even if i don't always agree with what they say...

so, try to play nice, if y9ou can... :Poke:

Saul Good
09-12-2011, 12:45 PM
hey now, why youse guys so mean t0 kotter?

i mean, he's not nearly as bad as the conspiracy kooks around here...

i don't know why, but i like frankie and kotter, even if i don't always agree with what they say...

so, try to play nice, if y9ou can... :Poke:

I like Kotter. I don't like Frankie, but I don't really dislike him, either. Actually, I don't have enough respect for Frankie to like or dislike him. He's just an idiot, but he can be fun to kick around.

Somebody bump the 159 thread. I'm bored.

go bowe
09-12-2011, 02:38 PM
I like Kotter. I don't like Frankie, but I don't really dislike him, either. Actually, I don't have enough respect for Frankie to like or dislike him. He's just an idiot, but he can be fun to kick around.

Somebody bump the 159 thread. I'm bored.

me too...