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jaa1025
09-11-2011, 11:28 AM
Go! Thanks McCluster you phag!

SNR
09-11-2011, 11:37 AM
He's as good as ours

Tribal Warfare
09-11-2011, 11:47 AM
Time to pack the shamrocks, rabbits foot, and golden horseshoe now for the cause

CrazyPhuD
09-11-2011, 11:48 AM
Go! Thanks McCluster you phag!

You banned bro?

jaa1025
09-11-2011, 11:50 AM
You banned bro?

No u?

MTG#10
09-11-2011, 11:52 AM
Its a very good possibility. I won't be all that upset if we do lose out, Luck may actually make a respectable team for years to come.

ThatRaceCardGuy
09-11-2011, 12:32 PM
Its a very good possibility. I won't be all that upset if we do lose out, Luck may actually make a respectable team for years to come.

You never want to see your team suck.....but if they do this year...Im all for Luck!

jd1020
09-11-2011, 12:33 PM
Pioli will trade the #1 pick away before taking a QB in the first round. Keep dreaming.

Thig Lyfe
09-11-2011, 12:47 PM
This team is gonna be so awesome with Andrew Luck leading the way!!!

Tribal Warfare
09-11-2011, 12:48 PM
This team is gonna be so awesome with Andrew Luck leading the way!!!

or maybe we can have an in-game trade for Thigpen for a 12 pack beer straight up.

milkshock
09-11-2011, 12:58 PM
andrew luck

welcome to kansas city

Thig Lyfe
09-11-2011, 01:38 PM
The Colts game is going to be hilarious. Both teams will intentionally fumble it in the endzone in an effort to win the Andrew Luck Tiebreaker.

arrowheadnation
09-11-2011, 01:44 PM
Going to be a long F'ing year. I want to get Luck but I was hoping we would have to trade up to get him.

KC Hawks
09-11-2011, 01:46 PM
I could see us even screwing this up by winning our last two games or something.

dannybcaitlyn
09-11-2011, 01:50 PM
Change the title to Andrew Luck & Bill Cowher watch thread!

jd1020
09-11-2011, 01:51 PM
I could see us even screwing this up by winning our last two games or something.

The 2 games that Stanzi starts? We aren't winning a game with 3 yard passes on 3rd and 10's.

Epic Fail 007
09-11-2011, 01:53 PM
lol,everyone wants luck,hes a rookie qb will take 3 yrs to develop,screw that

Barret
09-11-2011, 01:54 PM
So will Chiefsplanet melt down into a scrap heap when the Chiefs pass on Luck to get a Offensive tackle or will Saccopoo keep it alive since we got the tackle finally?

jd1020
09-11-2011, 01:55 PM
lol,everyone wants luck,hes a rookie qb will take 3 yrs to develop,screw that

How do you know how long it will take him to develop? Ryan, Stafford, Bradford, and Flacco all looked 100x better than Cassel as soon as they put their cleets on.

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 03:44 PM
Let's be real here. The Chiefs aren't bad enough that they're going to be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

But there is simply no excuse not to make a serious play to bring in one of the big 3 for next year. I'd be happy with Barkley or Landry Jones too. Even if that meant dangling some serious, serious trade bait.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 03:45 PM
Wow...Cam Newton looks more like a legit QB than Cassel ever has.

mcaj22
09-11-2011, 03:46 PM
Let's be real here. The Chiefs aren't bad enough that they're going to be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

But there is simply no excuse not to make a serious play to bring in one of the big 3 for next year. I'd be happy with Barkley or Landry Jones too. Even if that meant dangling some serious, serious trade bait.


we will easily have a top 5/top 10 pick

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 03:48 PM
Wow...Cam Newton looks more like a legit QB than Cassel ever has.

That's not going to last long. I'd much rather have Cassel than Cam. But that's not saying much.

Bewbies
09-11-2011, 03:49 PM
In case we "luck" into a win, I'd watch:

Arizona (Foles)
Oklahoma (Jones)
USC (Barkley)

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 03:50 PM
lol,everyone wants luck,hes a rookie qb will take 3 yrs to develop,screw that

Rookie QBs don't take long to develop anymore. Bradford, Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Flacco... these guys all developed quickly, and they don't have nearly the same potential as Luck.

Pestilence
09-11-2011, 03:50 PM
You're crazy if you think we would take Luck.

ILChief
09-11-2011, 03:51 PM
Let's be real here. The Chiefs aren't bad enough that they're going to be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

But there is simply no excuse not to make a serious play to bring in one of the big 3 for next year. I'd be happy with Barkley or Landry Jones too. Even if that meant dangling some serious, serious trade bait.

We got routed at home by one of the worst teams in the league

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 03:51 PM
That's not going to last long. I'd much rather have Cassel than Cam. But that's not saying much.

At this point I'll take anybody over Cassel. Especially a superb athlete who throws a better deep ball at 22 years old than our 29 year old QB who can't hit anything beyond 5 yards.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 03:52 PM
You're crazy if you think we would take Luck.

Yeah he's too obvious for Pioli to make that kind of move. Let's hopes for another 6th round steal.

Joe Seahawk
09-11-2011, 03:52 PM
Sorry. Luck is ours..

Rudy lost the toss
09-11-2011, 03:52 PM
For the record, I like Barkley too

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 03:54 PM
Sorry. Luck is ours..

lol you guys aren't as bad as us. You'll win 4 games in that division.

Valiant
09-11-2011, 03:54 PM
Going to be a long F'ing year. I want to get Luck but I was hoping we would have to trade up to get him.

With the rookie cap.. It would be impossible.. Does not actually hurt as much now to have the top picks..

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 03:54 PM
we will easily have a top 5/top 10 pick

This team isn't nearly as bad as they looked today. They looked unconditioned, unprepared, and the offseason of major system changes couldn't have helped much. I'd be surprised if they ended up in the top 10. I think they're probably good enough for 5-7 wins this year, which keeps them out of the QB sweepstakes unless they make a major trade (which they SHOULD make).

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 03:54 PM
For the record, I like Barkley too

USC. You trust that? Again? USC QB's suck

Bewbies
09-11-2011, 03:55 PM
USC. You trust that? Again? USC QB's suck

Matt Cassel didn't play QB for USC. (in games at least)

OctoberFart
09-11-2011, 03:56 PM
Seattle and indy will make sure you keep Cassel.

lcarus
09-11-2011, 03:56 PM
Sorry. Luck is ours..

Don't let last years whooping give you too much confidence. We're still the better awful team. That game was just a fluke. We'll lose to you guys every time asshole.

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 03:56 PM
We got routed at home by one of the worst teams in the league

The Bills are an extremely underrated team. And a big reason why we lost was because our team was unprepared, unconditioned, and because we have a clusterfuck of an offensive system. Not to mention a gazillion new starters on offense.

In a few games, this team is going to look more like last year. Which means we're good enough for 9-7 on an easy schedule and probably 5-7 wins on a tough one.

jd1020
09-11-2011, 03:56 PM
This team isn't nearly as bad as they looked today. They looked unconditioned, unprepared, and the offseason of major system changes couldn't have helped much. I'd be surprised if they ended up in the top 10. I think they're probably good enough for 5-7 wins this year, which keeps them out of the QB sweepstakes unless they make a major trade (which they SHOULD make).

Have you even looked at the schedule? Where are you people coming up with these 7 wins? I see Colts, Dolphins, and 1 Denver game. Where are the other 2-4 coming from?

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 03:57 PM
Matt Cassel didn't play QB for USC. (in games at least)

Yeah he did. He just never started a game.

Bewbies
09-11-2011, 03:58 PM
Yeah he did. He just never started a game.

Are you blind?

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 03:59 PM
Are you blind?

Do you want his college passing stats?

Bewbies
09-11-2011, 03:59 PM
Do you want his college passing stats?

Sure.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 04:00 PM
Any fucking ways. My point is, USC doesn't have a good history with QB's in the NFL.

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 04:00 PM
Have you even looked at the schedule? Where are you people coming up with these 7 wins? I see Colts, Dolphins, and 1 Denver game. Where are the other 2-4 coming from?

Colts, Dolphins, 2 Denver games, 2 Oakland games, Minnesota, and those always room for a few spoilers.

If the Chiefs play football the way they played the first 3 quarters against Baltimore, they can keep close with a lot of better teams. This team isn't nearly as bad as they played today. Of course, they're not nearly as good as they should be either.

Let's not get into ridiculous talk that this is one of the bottom 5 teams in the league. Come on.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 04:00 PM
Sure.

19 of 33 for 192 yards, zero TDs, and 1 INT.

jd1020
09-11-2011, 04:01 PM
Colts, Dolphins, 2 Denver games, 2 Oakland games, Minnesota, and those always room for a few spoilers.

Hilarious.

Bewbies
09-11-2011, 04:01 PM
19 of 33 for 192 yards, zero TDs, and 1 INT.

Well fuck me, he was a star.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-11-2011, 04:02 PM
I don't care how we get one, but for crying out loud, I want a dang franchise QB. Please. Haven't we been punished enough with the turds that we've had?!

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 04:09 PM
Hilarious.

What's hilarious is people over-reacting to one game that people actually think this is a bottom 5 team once they get their shit together. When the Chiefs are prepared, conditioned, motivated and in sync, they're a team competing for .500 regardless of schedule.

More than likely, this year, like I said, they're probably shooting for 5-7 wins. In my opinion, 6-7 being the most realistic.

jd1020
09-11-2011, 04:16 PM
What's hilarious is people over-reacting to one game that people actually think this is a bottom 5 team once they get their shit together. When the Chiefs are prepared, conditioned, motivated and in sync, they're a team competing for .500 regardless of schedule.

More than likely, this year, like I said, they're probably shooting for 5-7 wins. In my opinion, 6-7 being the most realistic.

Blinded by last years schedule. Just how good did the Chiefs play when they actually played playoff caliber teams? They beat the teams they should have and because they played so many of those teams they made it to the playoffs.

This year they are already starting off by losing to the teams they should beat.

It's been painfully obvious through preseason and week 1 who was responsible for the offenses and Cassels success was. And guess what? That person is no longer here.

All Haley knows how to do is yell.

Coogs
09-11-2011, 04:24 PM
What's hilarious is people over-reacting to one game that people actually think this is a bottom 5 team once they get their shit together. When the Chiefs are prepared, conditioned, motivated and in sync, they're a team competing for .500 regardless of schedule.

More than likely, this year, like I said, they're probably shooting for 5-7 wins. In my opinion, 6-7 being the most realistic.

If we are not careful, we are going to be 0-3 real quick. Two road games to Detroit and San Diego... both who appear to be stronger than the Bills. And the way the Vikes are playing the Chargers today... that may be no gimme in game 4 either.

Now we could win against those teams too. But not if things don't improve a whole bunch real quick.

Coogs
09-11-2011, 04:26 PM
You're crazy if you think we would take Luck.

If we are in position to draft Luck... and pass... :shake:

Rams Fan
09-11-2011, 04:27 PM
Blinded by last years schedule. Just how good did the Chiefs play when they actually played playoff caliber teams? They beat the teams they should have and because they played so many of those teams they made it to the playoffs.

This year they are already starting off by losing to the teams they should beat.

It's been painfully obvious through preseason and week 1 who was responsible for the offenses and Cassels success was. And guess what? That person is no longer here.

All Haley knows how to do is yell.

Why aren't you mentioning Crennel,hmm?

Shouldn't he get some blame for how the defense played today, or is it all on Haley?

L.A. Chieffan
09-11-2011, 04:27 PM
Who's this Andrew Luck guy?

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 04:27 PM
Why aren't you mentioning Crennel,hmm?

Shouldn't he get some blame for how the defense played today, or is it all on Haley?

Nope. Allllll Haley. He calls the offensive plays. The defensive plays. He makes Colquitt shank 25 yard punts.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 04:28 PM
Who's this Andrew Luck guy?

He looked kinda bad on that one play this weekend.

Eh. Nevermind. He's amazing.

jd1020
09-11-2011, 04:31 PM
Why aren't you mentioning Crennel,hmm?

Shouldn't he get some blame for how the defense played today, or is it all on Haley?

The Defense was going up against an offense that was constantly getting the ball near midfield and hardly ever got a rest beyond a 1 minute 3 and out.

Didn't you admit to watching the Rams lose 5 starters instead of the Chiefs? Why are you attempting to post about the Chiefs game?

Rams Fan
09-11-2011, 04:33 PM
The Defense was going up against an offense that was constantly getting the ball near midfield and hardly ever got a rest beyond a 1 minute 3 and out.

Didn't you admit to watching the Rams lose 5 starters instead of the Chiefs? Why are you attempting to post about the Chiefs game?

Yes, I did admit that.

But by just looking at the score, there has to be more things that went wrong for the Chiefs aside from that offense.

And I don't usually talk about the Chiefs here, but when I do, it happens when a lot of people jump ship.

jd1020
09-11-2011, 04:38 PM
I'm not jumping ship. I've never tooted this teams horn. They are a young, talented team but they aren't close to a top contender.

alnorth
09-11-2011, 04:49 PM
Week 5 will be key. If we can lose to the Lions, Chargers, Vikings, AND the Colts? Then we might have a chance.

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 05:20 PM
Blinded by last years schedule. Just how good did the Chiefs play when they actually played playoff caliber teams? They beat the teams they should have and because they played so many of those teams they made it to the playoffs.

This year they are already starting off by losing to the teams they should beat.

It's been painfully obvious through preseason and week 1 who was responsible for the offenses and Cassels success was. And guess what? That person is no longer here.

All Haley knows how to do is yell.

You're making a pretty big sweeping generalization about the Chiefs based on 2 games. The Chiefs got clowned by the Chargers. And while the score says they got clowned by Baltimore, you have to remember that the Chiefs were only down 10-7 at the half. They lost not because they couldn't hang with Baltimore, but because they made a few stupid turnovers in the 3rd quarter that put the game out of reach. They hung in tight against Indy, against Houston, and yes, against Baltimore. The Chiefs more than proved in 2010 that they can hang with playoff teams. They just can't beat them consistently.

And I think you're doing a tremendous disservice to Haley as a coach. I'm pretty pissed off about his decision to not condition players. But he's also gotten insane production out of Derrick Johnson and Dwayne Bowe that previous coaches struggled to do. I can't think of many players on the Chiefs roster that I look at and think "he's starting the wrong guy" or "that guy isn't playing even close to his potential." As a coach, I think he's getting the best out of these guys.

But yes, there are days like today where the team looks flat-out uninspired. It's a weird thing to watch. In 2/3 of the game last year, the Chiefs won games not with great talent, but mistake-free football. In other games, they looked like they completely didn't want to be there. Today was one of those days for the Chiefs. But I still believe that had a lot more to do with Haley's offseason approach than because of talent. They were unconditioned and I believe they walked in believing they were an inferior team.

Baby Lee
09-11-2011, 05:24 PM
Sorry. Luck is ours..

Sorry about the Ted Ginn thing that just happened.

teedubya
09-11-2011, 05:29 PM
is it the offseason again, already?

Baby Lee
09-11-2011, 05:30 PM
Sorry about the Ted Ginn thing that just happened.

Ouch, ouch, ouch!!!

Joe Seahawk
09-11-2011, 05:46 PM
Sorry about the Ted Ginn thing that just happened.

Like I said.. Luck s ours.. :banghead:

Rams Fan
09-11-2011, 05:46 PM
Like I said.. Luck s ours.. :banghead:

At least you have that shiny division title.

:(

alnorth
09-11-2011, 05:47 PM
Like I said.. Luck s ours.. :banghead:

Bullcrap, with your division, we're losing more games than you!

Three7s
09-11-2011, 05:48 PM
Gonna be hard to get Luck when we even lose the bye week.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 05:50 PM
Gonna be hard to get Luck when we even lose the bye week.

That's the key. More L's the better.

Mr. Laz
09-11-2011, 06:03 PM
I see everyone is forgetting the curse again


even if we do lose all year, you know we will go on a winning streak for last few games and end up with the 3rd pick or some shit.

we can't even lose for the win

Messier
09-11-2011, 06:08 PM
I never root for a loss, I think it's just silly, but I did daydream a little about Luck today. It's not very likely.

alnorth
09-11-2011, 06:10 PM
I see everyone is forgetting the curse again


even if we do lose all year, you know we will go on a winning streak for last few games and end up with the 3rd pick or some shit.

we can't even lose for the win

We've had the overall 1st pick only once, and that was the 1963 AFL draft, so that doesn't count.

We're due, we suck, and the schedule is insane. This team is capable of losing out all the way to Luck.

Josef Mengele
09-11-2011, 06:12 PM
Indianapolis will get Luck.

Luck would rather play baseball than play for this shit show of fags.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 06:12 PM
We've had the overall 1st pick only once, and that was the 1963 AFL draft, so that doesn't count.

We're due, we suck, and the schedule is insane. This team is capable of losing out all the way to Luck.

I wish. Only way we get Luck is if Charles goes down. He will win us 3 games.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 06:12 PM
Indianapolis will get Luck.

Luck would rather play baseball than play for this shit show of pillowbiters.

I would kill people.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-11-2011, 06:13 PM
I heard from a credible source that we're gonna fire Haley and Pioli and hire Carl and Marty and they're gonna trade the #1 overall pick for Peyton Manning who will take us to the AFC title game then retire a year later.

suds79
09-11-2011, 06:14 PM
I never root for a loss, I think it's just silly, but I did daydream a little about Luck today. It's not very likely.

I don't root for loses either. But if you asked me "Are you willing to suffer through one horrible year for a realistic shot at a SB say 7 years down the road with a then seasoned franchise QB you got from the following draft?"

I'd say yes every time.

Messier
09-11-2011, 06:16 PM
Indianapolis will get Luck.

Luck would rather play baseball than play for this shit show of pillowbiters.

1st overall QBs go to bad teams. It how it works. If some how this team had the 1st overall, I could think worse situations than the Chiefs. Despite how today looked, there is a lot of young talent on this team, one really good QB could make a world of difference.

Coogs
09-11-2011, 06:20 PM
1st overall QBs go to bad teams. It how it works. If some how this team had the 1st overall, I could think worse situations than the Chiefs. Despite how today looked, there is a lot of young talent on this team, one really good QB could make a world of difference.

This!

Messier
09-11-2011, 06:21 PM
I don't root for loses either. But if you asked me "Are you willing to suffer through one horrible year for a realistic shot at a SB say 7 years down the road with a then seasoned franchise QB you got from the following draft?"

I'd say yes every time.


I would too, but one doesn't guarantee the other.

tredadda
09-11-2011, 06:25 PM
Imagine how good this team would be if we had a franchise QB like Luck throwing to all this talent we stockpiled hoping to make Cassel look even decent?

nascher
09-11-2011, 06:31 PM
Talent stockpiled for Cassel ? LOL sorry but we have Bowe and then a big nothing with our maybe second best Weapon on IR.

mcaj22
09-11-2011, 06:32 PM
Talent stockpiled for Cassel ? LOL sorry but we have Bowe and then a big nothing with our maybe second best Weapon on IR.



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KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 06:33 PM
Talent stockpiled for Cassel ? LOL sorry but we have Bowe and then a big nothing with our maybe second best Weapon on IR.

They need to get Breaston more involved. I'm not sure what the issue is with getting him involved. Cause he's pretty talented.

Josef Mengele
09-11-2011, 06:33 PM
How much time did you waste typing that piece of cum? ^

Priest31kc
09-11-2011, 06:33 PM
Not trying to be a Mizzou homer here or anything, but Chase Daniel would be a way better option than Matt Cassel. Much more accurate, just as good of an arm if not better, better pocket presence and mobility...he's looked great in pretty much every pre-season game he's played....Just sayin. Fuck Mark Castle.

Priest31kc
09-11-2011, 06:35 PM
Talent stockpiled for Cassel ? LOL sorry but we have Bowe and then a big nothing with our maybe second best Weapon on IR.

Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin (when he finally begins his career), McCluster & the best running back in the game is plenty of weapons for an elite QB to win with. Castle sucks.

Coogs
09-11-2011, 06:37 PM
Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin (when he finally begins his career), McCluster & the best running back in the game is plenty of weapons for an elite QB to win with. Castle sucks.

Agreed.

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 06:38 PM
Talent stockpiled for Cassel ? LOL sorry but we have Bowe and then a big nothing with our maybe second best Weapon on IR.

They have a running game that gives Cassel a mile of deep passing territory to throw in. Two legit receivers in Bowe and Breaston. Cassel has more than enough to work with. Plenty of Quarterbacks with worse situations than Cassel.

mcaj22
09-11-2011, 06:39 PM
seriously there are some QBs that are throwing to literally 1 good player on the team then a bunch of shit WRs off the street.

Josh Freeman, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton, Rex Grossman, Kolb etc.

any of these QBs would have a boner to QB with the talent we have.

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 06:40 PM
And again, it doesn't have to be Luck. Barkley and Landry Jones are a HELL of a lot better than most of the QBs that have come out in recent drafts. Those guys would have easily been #1 picks in 2011.

JASONSAUTO
09-11-2011, 06:40 PM
How much time did you waste typing that piece of cum? ^

Go fist your grandmother and grandfather simultaniously
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Bump
09-11-2011, 06:43 PM
Talent stockpiled for Cassel ? LOL sorry but we have Bowe and then a big nothing with our maybe second best Weapon on IR.

there are 30 other starting NFL quarterbacks that would jizz in their pants to get to run this offense with these weapons and you'd be looking at some awesome numbers. Cassel did okay that one year running one of the best teams in the history of the NFL and still missed the playoffs. Cassel doesn't belong here, he's a back up at best and he sucks.

Red Coater
09-11-2011, 06:45 PM
Today sucked!! It was my son's birthday got him some chiefs gear. He turned 12. We went to watch the game. The look on his face at the end of the game was heart breaking. I almost felt bad cause I got him the chiefs gear. That being said it would be nice to have a QB that we could count on. To take this team to the next level.

Coogs
09-11-2011, 06:46 PM
there are 30 other starting NFL quarterbacks that would jizz in their pants to get to run this offense with these weapons and you'd be looking at some awesome numbers. Cassel did okay that one year running one of the best teams in the history of the NFL and still missed the playoffs. Cassel doesn't belong here, he's a back up at best and he sucks.

30 may be a little high.

ChiefsCountry
09-11-2011, 07:05 PM
USC. You trust that? Again? USC QB's suck

The last one that came from USC is doing pretty good in the NFL.

Priest31kc
09-11-2011, 07:07 PM
And, very surprisingly, the pass protection was pretty decent today. More evidence Castle blows.

chiefzilla1501
09-11-2011, 07:19 PM
The last one that came from USC is doing pretty good in the NFL.

He's doing so so. Would I rather have Sanchez than Cassel? Of course. Has he proven to be a franchise QB? Not yet. Not even close.

You want to talk about a great situation... what better situation than to have 3 terrific receivers, a dominant running game, one of the top 5 running games in the league, and one of the best defenses in the game? Considering those circumstances, his kind of production has been so so.

ChiefsCountry
09-11-2011, 07:26 PM
Has he proven to be a franchise QB? Not yet. Not even close.

He has in the playoffs, you know when it matters most.

O.city
09-11-2011, 07:29 PM
And, very surprisingly, the pass protection was pretty decent today. More evidence Castle blows.

I actually thought it was better today than it ever was at a time last year.

ForeverChiefs58
09-11-2011, 10:31 PM
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KurtCobain
09-11-2011, 10:52 PM
If we suck bad enough to get luck, Haley and Bowe will be gone. Baldwin is hopeless without the wr whisperer. So Luck is going to have a pretty shitty supporting cast. And probably a coach like Gruden.

KCrockaholic
09-11-2011, 11:04 PM
Stop teasing me with Andrew Luck videos. We aren't worthy.

KC Hawks
09-11-2011, 11:06 PM
I refuse to watch those Luck videos.

ForeverChiefs58
09-11-2011, 11:10 PM
I refuse to watch those Luck videos.

Well, it is an Andrew Luck watch thread. :shrug:

Thig Lyfe
09-12-2011, 12:29 AM
I can't wait until we draft him. I'm gonna eat so much candy to celebrate!!!

PornChief
09-12-2011, 12:32 AM
if we do draft him he'll be the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf the way things go for us.

BWillie
09-12-2011, 12:34 AM
Its a very good possibility. I won't be all that upset if we do lose out, Luck may actually make a respectable team for years to come.

You do realize we play Denver, twice, right?

BroncosBuff
09-12-2011, 12:35 AM
If we are not careful, we are going to be 0-3 real quick. Two road games to Detroit and San Diego... both who appear to be stronger than the Bills. And the way the Vikes are playing the Chargers today... that may be no gimme in game 4 either.

Now we could win against those teams too. But not if things don't improve a whole bunch real quick.

It is ok.. losing has been a habit to you all , why are you guys over reacting ?

BroncosBuff
09-12-2011, 12:36 AM
I'm not jumping ship. I've never tooted this teams horn. They are a young, talented team but they aren't close to a top contender.

top contender... bwahhahahhahahaha. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

NJChiefsFan
09-12-2011, 12:41 AM
if we do draft him he'll be the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf the way things go for us.

I can handle a lot of things, but if that happened I don't think I could handle it. I really would just flip and lose the ability to function in society. To suck all season, get the golden boy, and have it fail...

BroncosBuff
09-12-2011, 12:41 AM
That's the key. More L's the better.

Dont worry they come naturally to you guys

BroncosBuff
09-12-2011, 12:44 AM
if we do draft him he'll be the 2nd coming of Ryan Leaf the way things go for us.

Nah.. he will just move to europe the moment he finds out cheaps drafted and start playing soccer. he wont even choose baseball because, he will be afraid the royals might pick him :deevee:

58kcfan89
09-12-2011, 01:34 AM
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Luck to Baldwin for 50yard pass. I like the way that sounds.

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Amazing post. This franchise needs some Luck.

Tribal Warfare
09-12-2011, 03:25 AM
Amazing post. This franchise needs some Luck.

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this is more impressive though

the Talking Can
09-12-2011, 05:37 AM
Let's be real here. The Chiefs aren't bad enough that they're going to be in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

But there is simply no excuse not to make a serious play to bring in one of the big 3 for next year. I'd be happy with Barkley or Landry Jones too. Even if that meant dangling some serious, serious trade bait.


x10000


QB is priority in round 1 next year....30 years of excuses end


Stanzi isn't a reason to pass on a QB in the first either...

tredadda
09-12-2011, 05:52 AM
Those highlights show exactly why we need a QB like Luck. Granted those highlights happened against college teams, but could Cassel do any of that against a college team? Could he even do it against a college team if he had a NFL roster on his side?

Coogs
09-12-2011, 07:17 AM
It is ok.. losing has been a habit to you all , why are you guys over reacting ?

Over reacting? I thought that post was pretty realistic. We could win some of those games if we get things fixed... but there is a lot of work to do on offense, defense, and special teams. And if we don't get those things fixed real quick, we are staring 0-3 in the face big time.

Detrioit... I expect that atmosphere to be electric. And they can rush the passer, which does mot bode well for us. And we did not rush the passer, and I believe Stafford could be a little better than Fitzpatrick. A wake up call is definately in order for next Sunday. We can not fall behind and have a reasonable chance to win. Gunther may be our only hope if we do fall behind.

And, if we are 0-2 going to San Diego... I just don't get a good feeling about that one either.

I don't think that is over reacting... that is being pretty realistic IMO.

Ace Gunner
09-12-2011, 07:36 AM
Forget about Luck. It won't happen in KC. They need DL, WR, RB, Pass Rush.

Coogs
09-12-2011, 08:01 AM
Forget about Luck. It won't happen in KC. They need DL, WR, RB, Pass Rush.

Jury is still out on WR. RB is not a huge need. Pash rush... need to give Houston some leash. Still think Houston and Hali could be a good tandem. D-line needs to play better than they did yesterday.

BUT... if we have Luck in our lap and go a different direction, then we deserve suckage for the next several years.

wazu
09-12-2011, 08:12 AM
I love that this thread was created during the first quarter of our first game. Could end up a classic.

Ace Gunner
09-12-2011, 08:15 AM
Jury is still out on WR. RB is not a huge need. Pash rush... need to give Houston some leash. Still think Houston and Hali could be a good tandem. D-line needs to play better than they did yesterday.

BUT... if we have Luck in our lap and go a different direction, then we deserve suckage for the next several years.

Houston was in the Bills Backfield a lot yesterday. I like him. I like Scheffield too.

But my point is the Chiefs won't have a shot at Luck. There are worse teams in the NFL - the Colts, off the top of my head. Even if Luck was to fall in their laps, Pioli will get buku offers and trade back.

There are several DL players in this coming draft that I like. Dorsey has got to go. It ain't happening. That would be my first objective - get a RDE that can play that position.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2011, 08:42 AM
Dorsey has got to go. It ain't happening. That would be my first objective - get a RDE that can play that position.

You are fucking stupid. Dorsey is our only lineman worth a shit and he actually played pretty good yesterday.

Ace Gunner
09-12-2011, 08:49 AM
Ya. He's great. He had how many big plays? Damn, I lost count at zero.

Pestilence
09-12-2011, 08:54 AM
You're crazy if you think we would actually take Luck.

Cassel would have to throw 10 TDs and 30 INTs before Pioli gives up on him. I guarantee you that if Cassel has another mediocre year (16 TDs, 20 INTS).....that they'll blame it on protection issues and we'll take an OT.

jd1020
09-12-2011, 08:55 AM
You're crazy if you think we would actually take Luck.

Cassel would have to throw 10 TDs and 30 INTs before Pioli gives up on him. I guarantee you that if Cassel has another mediocre year (16 TDs, 20 INTS).....that they'll blame it on protection issues and we'll take an OT.

Saccoignorance just wet his pants.

Baby Lee
09-12-2011, 09:00 AM
You're crazy if you think we would actually take Luck.

Cassel would have to throw 10 TDs and 30 INTs before Pioli gives up on him. I guarantee you that if Cassel has another mediocre year (16 TDs, 20 INTS).....that they'll blame it on protection issues and we'll take an OT.

If Pioli is truly still confident in Cassel, he's the dumbest motherfucker in the entire NFL. And I'm counting the blockheads who pack heat in the zubas and shoot their nuts off in a strip club, or who take 10 minutes to name all the kids they've sired in the past 2 years.

Coogs
09-12-2011, 09:02 AM
There are several DL players in this coming draft that I like. Dorsey has got to go. It ain't happening. That would be my first objective - get a RDE that can play that position.

Last time I checked, the Colts had a pretty fair player lined up at the RDE position. Freeney I believe is his name. And I think he has missed a game or two during his career with the Colts. And I would venture to say that during those games where Freeney was out, the Colts probably competed pretty well. Might have even won a couple of those games.

Yesterday Manning was out. How did that work out?

QB>RDE

Chiefnj2
09-12-2011, 09:03 AM
After Luck it looks like a big crap shoot as far as QB's go.

Coogs
09-12-2011, 09:04 AM
You're crazy if you think we would actually take Luck.

Cassel would have to throw 10 TDs and 30 INTs before Pioli gives up on him. I guarantee you that if Cassel has another mediocre year (16 TDs, 20 INTS).....that they'll blame it on protection issues and we'll take an OT.

How's that taking the OT overall #1 and passing on Matt Ryan working out for the Dolphins?

spanky 52
09-12-2011, 09:04 AM
Last time I checked, the Colts had a pretty fair player lined up at the RDE position. Freeney I believe is his name. And I think he has missed a game or two during his career with the Colts. And I would venture to say that during those games where Freeney was out, the Colts probably competed pretty well. Might have even won a couple of those games.

Yesterday Manning was out. How did that work out?

QB>RDE

winner winner chicken dinner

Pestilence
09-12-2011, 09:05 AM
How's that taking the OT overall #1 and passing on Matt Ryan working out for the Dolphins?

Did I say that's what I want to happen?

Coogs
09-12-2011, 09:08 AM
Did I say that's what I want to happen?

No. But if we are in position... and by that I mean if we have the #1 overall pick, and we pass on QB... then Pioli should be fired within seconds after the card is read by the commish.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2011, 09:08 AM
Ya. He's great. He had how many big plays? Damn, I lost count at zero.

Since 3-4 lineman make so many big plays. You are just a fucking idiot. Dorsey is the least of the worries on the line.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2011, 09:08 AM
No. But if we are in position... and by that I mean if we have the #1 overall pick, and we pass on QB... then Pioli should be fired within seconds after the card is read by the commish.

Pioli should have been fired for making the Cassel trade.

Pestilence
09-12-2011, 09:10 AM
No. But if we are in position... and by that I mean if we have the #1 overall pick, and we pass on QB... then Pioli should be fired within seconds after the card is read by the commish.

Oh I 100% agree with you. But I've already resigned myself to the fact that if we somehow did luck into the #1 overall pick.....that we would take an OT or OLB and Cassel would get a vote of confidence.

This franchise is absolutely terrified to take a QB in the 1st round.

Coogs
09-12-2011, 09:13 AM
Pioli should have been fired for making the Cassel trade.

Personally, I think Pioli has been assembling a pretty fair team. But we are clearly lacking at the most important position on the field... which is QB. Now many here have said that is the way to build a team... put it together then add the QB. Well, that is where we are at. Let's hope we add the QB... and be able to hold on to some pretty important pieces that are up for new contracts. If Bowe, Flowers, Carr, ect. elect to jump ship, then we start all over again.

BroncosBuff
09-12-2011, 09:46 AM
You know what would be better, trade with Broncos and get Kyle Orton and give him 150 million. he is just 2.5 times better than Cassel. Luck is 10 times better than Cassel and Pioli will end up giving him 600 million and you cannot do that ..... bawhahahahahaha

ForeverChiefs58
09-12-2011, 10:01 AM
After Luck it looks like a big crap shoot as far as QB's go.

This guy thinks there could be 7 QB's in the first top 10 picks. Yikes.

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lcarus
09-12-2011, 10:06 AM
I'm listening to 610 online at work...yes I'm that bored. They were talking hypotheticals and if the Chiefs had the top pick in the draft, and one of the hosts said he thinks their top need is offensive line............

lcarus
09-12-2011, 10:08 AM
You know what would be better, trade with Broncos and get Kyle Orton and give him 150 million. he is just 2.5 times better than Cassel. Luck is 10 times better than Cassel and Pioli will end up giving him 600 million and you cannot do that ..... bawhahahahahaha

I'd rather have Orton than Cassel. No doubt about it. He's not the answer for our future though. No doubt about that either. What's funny is that Denver wanted Cassel too, but they ended up with a better QB in Orton. Funny how things work out.

Pants
09-12-2011, 10:09 AM
I'm listening to 610 online at work...yes I'm that bored. They were talking hypotheticals and if the Chiefs had the top pick in the draft, and one of the hosts said he thinks their top need is offensive line............

This city fully fucking deserves what they get in the 2012 NFL draft. Fucking idiots.

ChiefsCountry
09-12-2011, 10:13 AM
Its even shitter to know that Cassel would have been a Bronco.

Coogs
09-12-2011, 10:15 AM
I'm listening to 610 online at work...yes I'm that bored. They were talking hypotheticals and if the Chiefs had the top pick in the draft, and one of the hosts said he thinks their top need is offensive line............

:facepalm:

lcarus
09-12-2011, 10:16 AM
:facepalm:

Yeah that was literally my face when I heard him say that. So disheartening to know there are idiots making money to say retarded things like this on the air.

lcarus
09-12-2011, 10:17 AM
Its even shitter to know that Cassel would have been a Bronco.

God I didn't even think of that. Wow Denver...you dodged a bullet. Sincerely...you dodged a big bullet.

Coogs
09-12-2011, 10:22 AM
Yeah that was literally my face when I heard him say that. So disheartening to know there are idiots making money to say retarded things like this on the air.

I didn't see the Colts-Texans game yesterday, but a couple of early highlights showed Kerry Collins getting sacked and fumbling. Clearly the biggest issue for the Colts in the next draft... if Manning does not come back next year... should be O-line.

Pants
09-12-2011, 10:24 AM
I didn't see the Colts-Texans game yesterday, but a couple of early highlights showed Kerry Collins getting sacked and fumbling. Clearly the biggest issue for the Colts in the next draft... if Manning does not come back next year... should be O-line.

LMAO

Cave Johnson
09-12-2011, 10:25 AM
All about the Suck for Luck express. Muir, as it turns out, was a sneaky brilliant hire.

Barret
09-12-2011, 11:01 AM
So lets talk about teams that need a new QB and if the Chiefs would have a better record then them at the end of the season. These are the only teams I see as question marks and not having a QB like Aaron Rodgers or someone like that.

1: Miami Dolphins? Would they stick with Chad Henne?
2: Cincinnati Bengals? They just chose Andy Dalton
3: Cleveland Browns? They have Colt McCoy and he seems to be doing well.
4: Indianapolis Colts? Ok this is the big one. If Manning can't come back they certainly would but if Manning does come back would they choose a back up QB or an OLine to keep Manning safe?
5: Jacksonville Jaguars? they have Luke McCown and Blain Gabbart. Another 1st round qb?
6: Tennessee Titans. Possible but they got Jake Locker sitting there from this class.
7: Oakland Raiders? Yes with only Jason Cambell and Kyle Boller they could be in the running to get luck.
8: Minnesota Vikings: Well I would say yes because of McNabb but they have Christian Ponder as a back up.
9: San Fransisco 49'ers: Well possible if they don't believe in Alex Smith or Colin Kaepernick
10 Seattle Seahawks: Holy Crap yes they need luck badly.

Am I missing any teams? Is my analysis correct? If everything is semi-correct, who do the Chiefs actually have to worry about having a worse record then them?

Chiefnj2
09-12-2011, 11:06 AM
So lets talk about teams that need a new QB and if the Chiefs would have a better record then them at the end of the season. These are the only teams I see as question marks and not having a QB like Aaron Rodgers or someone like that.

1: Miami Dolphins? Would they stick with Chad Henne?
2: Cincinnati Bengals? They just chose Andy Dalton
3: Cleveland Browns? They have Colt McCoy and he seems to be doing well.
4: Indianapolis Colts? Ok this is the big one. If Manning can't come back they certainly would but if Manning does come back would they choose a back up QB or an OLine to keep Manning safe?
5: Jacksonville Jaguars? they have Luke McCown and Blain Gabbart. Another 1st round qb?
6: Tennessee Titans. Possible but they got Jake Locker sitting there from this class.
7: Oakland Raiders? Yes with only Jason Cambell and Kyle Boller they could be in the running to get luck.
8: Minnesota Vikings: Well I would say yes because of McNabb but they have Christian Ponder as a back up.
9: San Fransisco 49'ers: Well possible if they don't believe in Alex Smith or Colin Kaepernick
10 Seattle Seahawks: Holy Crap yes they need luck badly.

Am I missing any teams? Is my analysis correct? If everything is semi-correct, who do the Chiefs actually have to worry about having a worse record then them?

The smart thing for any of those teams, even those who just took a QB, would be to draft Luck and then try to deal the other QB.

orange
09-12-2011, 11:12 AM
I have to laugh. Nothing is ever less than the best/worst around here - but it never, ever turns out that way in reality.

1 - The Chiefs are NOT going to have the first pick. They won 10 games last year, they don't completely suck (despite what they showed on the field yesterday), they are going to win a few games.

2 - Whoever has the first pick will draft Luck - or trade the pick to someone who will - whatever their quarterback situation. He's not going to drop. And the Chiefs (Pioli) won't trade up that high and spend that money.

3 - Reality check - 2 wins a couple years ago netted Tyson Jackson.

http://f.bandcamp.com/z/32/07/3207303144-1.jpg

ILChief
09-12-2011, 11:25 AM
I would trade 3 first Rounders for Luck. Thomas Jones would just beat them up anyway

jd1020
09-12-2011, 11:28 AM
I have to laugh. Nothing is ever less than the best/worst around here - but it never, ever turns out that way in reality.

1 - The Chiefs are NOT going to have the first pick. They won 10 games last year, they don't completely suck (despite what they showed on the field yesterday), they are going to win a few games.

Why do people keep bringing up last year? I want to know. Stop overrating this team. We've got a handful of talented players, thats it. There are still too many holes to have any high expectations for this team.

threebag02
09-12-2011, 11:31 AM
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Pestilence
09-12-2011, 11:33 AM
What did I tell you?


www.rotoworld.com

Matt Cassel completed six passes for negative yardage in Sunday's ugly loss to the Bills.

Cassel turned into the definition of a dink-and-dunker, with 14 of his 22 completions going for six yards or fewer. Pass protection was an issue, resulting in almost exclusively three-step drops. It's a major red flag for a Chiefs passing game primed for a big-time regression off their 2010 breakout.

Hey Rotoworld....you're fucking idiots. Pass protection was not a major issue. There were times when Cassel had all the time in the world and he was still checking down like a bitch.

jd1020
09-12-2011, 11:35 AM
What did I tell you?



Hey Rotoworld....you're ****ing idiots. Pass protection was not a major issue. There were times when Cassel had all the time in the world and he was still checking down like a bitch.

3000 yards is apparently a breakout passing game.

alnorth
09-12-2011, 11:38 AM
I have to laugh. Nothing is ever less than the best/worst around here - but it never, ever turns out that way in reality.

1 - The Chiefs are NOT going to have the first pick. They won 10 games last year, they don't completely suck (despite what they showed on the field yesterday), they are going to win a few games.

Unfortunately, you are likely right. If the Chiefs get the #1 pick next year, it would be just the second time in history since the AFL-NFL merger that a division winner got the #1 pick the next year. We're talking 244 division winners, too.

For those who want to hope though, that 1 out of 244 is obviously heavily overweight towards good teams. If you take a subset of those 244 who basically won the division by default with a weak schedule, the odds would improve higher than under half a percent, but I'd still think it couldn't be higher than like 5%.

Still, our schedule is tough and we did get slaughtered at home by the Bills...

Pants
09-12-2011, 11:40 AM
Unfortunately, you are likely right. If the Chiefs get the #1 pick next year, it would be just the second time in history since the AFL-NFL merger that a division winner got the #1 pick the next year. We're talking 244 division winners, too.

For those who want to hope though, that 1 out of 244 is obviously heavily overweight towards good teams. If you take a subset of those 244 who basically won the division by default with a weak schedule, the odds would improve higher than under half a percent, but I'd still think it couldn't be higher than like 5%.

Still, our schedule is tough and we did get slaughtered at home by the Bills...

That's fine. If we're not in position and Pioli gives trading up an honest go, it won't be the end of the world. If, however, we're in the position to grab him and we don't... then FUCK THIS TEAM. I will just stop following them until the team is sold to a different owner or Clark fires Pioli on the spot.

jd1020
09-12-2011, 12:31 PM
"Colts president Bill Polian scouted Stanford QB Andrew Luck on Saturday.

Polian saw the presumed No. 1 pick of the 2012 draft carve up Duke, completing 20-of-28 passes for 290 yards, four touchdowns and an interception. While the Colts were horrendous on Sunday, it still seems unlikely they'll be the worst team in the NFL this season. It's also unlikely they would draft and invest in a new franchise quarterback just nine months after signing Peyton Manning to a five-year, $90 million contract extension. With Luck considered the best quarterback prospect since Manning, however, such a move could by no means be ruled out if Indy indeed "earns" the No. 1 pick."

Thig Lyfe
09-12-2011, 12:42 PM
BACK THE FUCK OFF, POLIAN

Buckweath
09-12-2011, 12:47 PM
I have to laugh. Nothing is ever less than the best/worst around here - but it never, ever turns out that way in reality.

1 - The Chiefs are NOT going to have the first pick. They won 10 games last year, they don't completely suck (despite what they showed on the field yesterday), they are going to win a few games.

2 - Whoever has the first pick will draft Luck - or trade the pick to someone who will - whatever their quarterback situation. He's not going to drop. And the Chiefs (Pioli) won't trade up that high and spend that money.

3 - Reality check - 2 wins a couple years ago netted Tyson Jackson.

http://f.bandcamp.com/z/32/07/3207303144-1.jpg

Thank you for that post. You speak the truth.

Thig Lyfe
09-12-2011, 12:50 PM
Can cdcox start a #1 pick odds thread?

Predarat
09-12-2011, 01:00 PM
This may come to pass.

The Bad Guy
09-12-2011, 01:06 PM
Chiefs are going 3-13.

The Bad Guy
09-12-2011, 01:07 PM
What does Tyson Jackson have to do with Andrew Luck?

58kcfan89
09-12-2011, 01:08 PM
1 - The Chiefs are NOT going to have the first pick. They won 10 games last year, they don't completely suck (despite what they showed on the field yesterday), they are going to win a few games.

2 - Whoever has the first pick will draft Luck - or trade the pick to someone who will - whatever their quarterback situation. He's not going to drop. And the Chiefs (Pioli) won't trade up that high and spend that money.

3 - Reality check - 2 wins a couple years ago netted Tyson Jackson.

1: Honestly, I'm not all about doom & gloom, but look at the schedule this year, compare it to last year & tell me where you realistically see this team winning more than 3 or 4 games. There are no more gimmes for this team. Maybe they turn it around & get it going, but I'm not counting on it.

2: Shit happens. Guys drop. I think Luck's far & away the best QB/player who's come around in a long time, but teams freak out about random shit. I'm not saying it'll happen, I'm just saying that weird shit sometimes happens with the Draft.

3: Goddammit.... Only thing I got is that Pioli supposedly was working with Carl's staff & took the "safe" pick. I'm sure I'm not the only one, but can you imagine how much better this team is if we take Raji instead of Jackson?...

alnorth
09-12-2011, 01:08 PM
Chiefs are going 3-13.

We should aim for 2-14, 3-win teams get the first pick only about 1/4 of the time.

orange
09-12-2011, 01:29 PM
What does Tyson Jackson have to do with Andrew Luck?

It has to do with how unpredictable the draft class is, how unpredictable the NFL season is, how conservative the Chiefs' front office is, and how utterly stupid it is to start obsessing on the FQBOTF one week into the season.

loochy
09-12-2011, 01:30 PM
It has to do with how unpredictable the draft class is, how unpredictable the NFL season is, how conservative the Chiefs' front office is, and how utterly stupid it is to start obsessing on the FQBOTF one week into the season.

Can't we have SOMETHING to look forward to? JFC what a Debbie Downer!

chiefscafan
09-12-2011, 01:31 PM
I'd start stanzi see what we have then if not look at luck.

Pants
09-12-2011, 01:33 PM
It has to do with how unpredictable the draft class is, how unpredictable the NFL season is, how conservative the Chiefs' front office is, and how utterly stupid it is to start obsessing on the FQBOTF one week into the season.

I know you don't come outside the DC much, but we've been clamoring for a QBOTF for a very long time. This is nothing new.

Baby Lee
09-12-2011, 01:40 PM
It has to do with how unpredictable the draft class is, how unpredictable the NFL season is, how conservative the Chiefs' front office is, and how utterly stupid it is to start obsessing on the FQBOTF one week into the season.

Obsessing on next year's draft in September may be 'utterly stupid,' but it is unfortunately the least depressing Chiefs related pursuit at our disposal at present.

Mr. Laz
09-12-2011, 01:44 PM
Chiefs curse ... some team will lose 1 more game than we do.

LCB - Luck Cock Block

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-12-2011, 01:44 PM
I'm listening to 610 online at work...yes I'm that bored. They were talking hypotheticals and if the Chiefs had the top pick in the draft, and one of the hosts said he thinks their top need is offensive line............

JFC

Count Zarth
09-12-2011, 01:50 PM
If we are within striking distance of Luck and don't make a play I'll never forgive Pioli*

*unless he wins a SB with Stanzi

mlyonsd
09-12-2011, 01:53 PM
Chiefs curse ... some team will lose 1 more game than we do.

LCB - Luck Cock BlockIf there ever was a year we'd win in Indy this would be it.

Mr. Laz
09-12-2011, 02:16 PM
If we are within striking distance of Luck and don't make a play I'll never forgive Pioli*

*unless he wins a SB with Stanzi
Chances are that the team with the 1st pick will need a QB and there will be no payment high enough.

If not it will still take a Ricky Williams type deal considering all the Luck hype.

jrowe
09-12-2011, 02:21 PM
There's also Matt Barkley. He's a top 5 QB pick in any draft.

Amnorix
09-12-2011, 02:28 PM
Not to be obvious or anything, but if Cassel really isn't the answer (and I can't really assess whether he is as I haven't seen him much), then flaming out completely and getting Luck is probably the single best thing that could happen to the franchise this year.

The problem, of course, is you can't be sure if you're nto getting someone injury prone (Stafford) or who just doesn't turn out to be all you hope (Eli Manning and many, MANY others).

jd1020
09-12-2011, 02:32 PM
Not to be obvious or anything, but if Cassel really isn't the answer (and I can't really assess whether he is as I haven't seen him much), then flaming out completely and getting Luck is probably the single best thing that could happen to the franchise this year.

The problem, of course, is you can't be sure if you're nto getting someone injury prone (Stafford) or who just doesn't turn out to be all you hope (Eli Manning and many, MANY others).

Eli Manning has a SB ring.

the Talking Can
09-12-2011, 02:34 PM
Not to be obvious or anything, but if Cassel really isn't the answer (and I can't really assess whether he is as I haven't seen him much), then flaming out completely and getting Luck is probably the single best thing that could happen to the franchise this year.

The problem, of course, is you can't be sure if you're nto getting someone injury prone (Stafford) or who just doesn't turn out to be all you hope (Eli Manning and many, MANY others).


well, you can be sure that not drafting a 1st round QB for 30 years gets you nothing....we're proof


of course drafting a player is 'risky'....but we're the Chiefs, we let other franchises take risks and win superbowls

we're content to play it safe with Bono, Grbac, and Cassel....

and every team in the league woud take stafford and eli over cassel...

Cave Johnson
09-12-2011, 02:36 PM
If there ever was a year we'd win in Indy this would be it.

I'm guessing Polian was on the phone with Garrard's agent by the 2nd quarter.

ChiefMojo
09-12-2011, 02:37 PM
I truly want to believe we will turn it around and start winning some games, but I don't have that faith anymore. It is going to take us awhile to get this team ready since Haley mailed in the damn pre-season. Problem is once the first part of the season ends, we walk into the freaking pits of burning hell with the mid to later part of the schedule. We will be lucky to win 2-3 games this season imho. I'm someone that was thinking 8-8 this year also.

There have been some damn good QB's to go through the draft the last 10 years, but Luck is about as close your going to get to a Peyton Manning clone.

lcarus
09-12-2011, 02:38 PM
Man I gotta get me one of those Andrew Luck watches. Pristine.

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i466/Soda_Popinski/andrewluckwatch.jpg

Amnorix
09-12-2011, 02:53 PM
Eli Manning has a SB ring.


Because his team's D-line dominated the Patriots OLine. His lifetime QB rating is lower than Cassel's. He was drafted in 2004 and he's made one Pro Bowl. He's thrown 20+ INts twice, and had 25 last year, when he's at an age where he should be peaking.

jd1020
09-12-2011, 02:55 PM
Because his team's D-line dominated the Patriots OLine. His lifetime QB rating is lower than Cassel's. He was drafted in 2004 and he's made one Pro Bowl. He's thrown 20+ INts twice, and had 25 last year, when he's at an age where he should be peaking.

Pretty sure he led a game winning drive right after the Patriots took the lead.

Amnorix
09-12-2011, 02:55 PM
well, you can be sure that not drafting a 1st round QB for 30 years gets you nothing....we're proof


of course drafting a player is 'risky'....but we're the Chiefs, we let other franchises take risks and win superbowls

we're content to play it safe with Bono, Grbac, and Cassel....

and every team in the league woud take stafford and eli over cassel...


Stafford on ability, no question. Question is can he stay upright, or is he going to play 5 games every year. Doesn't matter how good you are if you're riding the stationary bike.

Eli Manning -- yeah, maybe he's better than Cassel, but he's nothing special really. Not worth the #4 pick certainly. Or #1, whatever it was (I always forget how that trade went down).

the Talking Can
09-12-2011, 02:58 PM
Because his team's D-line dominated the Patriots OLine. His lifetime QB rating is lower than Cassel's. He was drafted in 2004 and he's made one Pro Bowl. He's thrown 20+ INts twice, and had 25 last year, when he's at an age where he should be peaking.

Cassel is 30 years old and can't read a defense, and shits his pants under pressure....Eli is a superbowl mvp


....the definition of a good QB is not "who throws the least ints"....

lcarus
09-12-2011, 02:59 PM
....the definition of a good QB is not "who throws the least ints"....

If it was, Stanzi is already an All-Pro.

the Talking Can
09-12-2011, 03:00 PM
Stafford on ability, no question. Question is can he stay upright, or is he going to play 5 games every year. Doesn't matter how good you are if you're riding the stationary bike.

Eli Manning -- yeah, maybe he's better than Cassel, but he's nothing special really. Not worth the #4 pick certainly. Or #1, whatever it was (I always forget how that trade went down).


any team in the league takes stafford over cassel......and there is no hesitation in making the decision...same for Eli



Cassel is a nobody, a jag, a blank....

DaKCMan AP
09-12-2011, 03:01 PM
How unfair would it be if the Colts have Peyton Manning from 1998-2010 and then get to draft Andrew Luck in 2012.

jd1020
09-12-2011, 03:03 PM
After Haley heard the bad news about Berry he decided to expand and extend his preseason plan. He's outside slashing tires, preventing the Chiefs from leaving town therefor forfeiting every road game. And all home games will be played by the practice squad.

No way the Colts get the #1 pick now.

lcarus
09-12-2011, 03:04 PM
How unfair would it be if the Colts have Peyton Manning from 1998-2010 and then get to draft Andrew Luck in 2012.

I'll probably just stop being a sports fan. Same thing goes if the Lakers steal Dwight Howard away from my Magic. Bad enough they already stole Shaq.

talastan
09-12-2011, 03:06 PM
How unfair would it be if the Colts have Peyton Manning from 1998-2010 and then get to draft Andrew Luck in 2012.

Throw the game to ensure that doesn't happen? :shrug: Not that we'll probably have to. :(

Amnorix
09-12-2011, 03:09 PM
Cassel is 30 years old and can't read a defense, and shits his pants under pressure....Eli is a superbowl mvp


....the definition of a good QB is not "who throws the least ints"....


Of all the QBs in the NFL whose nuts to suck, you pick Eli? WTF?

The dude is average. He's actually quite a bit like Cassel. I'd probably take Eli over Cassel too, but neither one is going to the Hall of Very Good, much less the Hall of Fame.

CanadaKC
09-12-2011, 04:39 PM
it always seems to come to this....we hope for the guy at the top of the draft board next year...ugh. But Luck would be awesome. I worry that the Colts will be jonesing for him though...and they'd be lucky like the Pittsburgh Penguins were....they sucked then got Mario Lemieux...then they sucked again..and walaa.....got Sidney Crosby. If the Colts get Luck just as Manning winds down..I'll be very pissed.

Mr. Arrowhead
09-12-2011, 04:47 PM
Chiefs curse ... some team will lose 1 more game than we do.

LCB - Luck Cock Block

or we tie for the worst record and would lose on some BS tie breaker

dannybcaitlyn
09-12-2011, 04:56 PM
Who would win the tie breaker between us and the colts? What would they look at first?

Mr. Arrowhead
09-12-2011, 05:01 PM
Who would win the tie breaker between us and the colts? What would they look at first?

head to head

alnorth
09-12-2011, 05:09 PM
head to head

which is why week 5 could be important. If we win that game, the #1 pick becomes pretty tough.

ILChief
09-12-2011, 05:28 PM
I know SOS plays into draft position tie breakers. This hard as schedule will hurt us if some team with an easy schedule sucks as bad.

alnorth
09-12-2011, 05:35 PM
I know SOS plays into draft position tie breakers. This hard as schedule will hurt us if some team with an easy schedule sucks as bad.

SOS won't come into it, because it is behind head-to-head, division, conference, common opponents (minimum 4 games), and strength of victory.

If we are tied at the bottom with an NFC team who we did not play and did not share many games with, the strength of victory is a very random squirrelly tiebreaker that will decide it. (strength of victory: winning percentage of teams you beat)

If we were tied at 2 wins with some crappy NFC team who beat a couple bad teams, and we had a fluke victory against the Chargers and the Packers, maybe we'd be in trouble, but it probably won't even go that far.

ILChief
09-12-2011, 05:53 PM
SOS won't come into it, because it is behind head-to-head, division, conference, common opponents (minimum 4 games), and strength of victory.

If we are tied at the bottom with an NFC team who we did not play and did not share many games with, the strength of victory is a very random squirrelly tiebreaker that will decide it. (strength of victory: winning percentage of teams you beat)

If we were tied at 2 wins with some crappy NFC team who beat a couple bad teams, and we had a fluke victory against the Chargers and the Packers, maybe we'd be in trouble, but it probably won't even go that far.

according to this site, SOS is the first tiebreaker:
http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/detdraftorder.htm

the draft has different tie breaking rules than playoffs

Mr_Tomahawk
09-12-2011, 07:30 PM
Has anyone been to any Indy boards to see what their mentality is on the season?

Are they wanting to bomb the season for Luck if Manning is done?

Al Bundy
09-12-2011, 07:44 PM
The Bucs will be in on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, well at least record wise.

Mr_Tomahawk
09-12-2011, 07:46 PM
The Bucs will be in on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, well at least record wise.

You shut your mouth and win games.

prhom
09-12-2011, 07:48 PM
The Bucs will be in on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, well at least record wise.

Don't you like Freeman? Has he shown anything that makes you think he couldn't be an elite QB? When I've seen him play he seems very sound.

Rams Fan
09-12-2011, 07:59 PM
The Bucs will be in on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, well at least record wise.

So will the Rams...

Mr_Tomahawk
09-12-2011, 08:01 PM
So will the Rams...

NO!

Rams Fan
09-12-2011, 08:02 PM
NO!

They have 3 active corners, probably lost either their best or 2nd best corner for the season, no one can catch the fucking ball. And Jackson's down.

jd1020
09-12-2011, 08:03 PM
So will the Rams...

Did you forget what division the Rams are in and how many times you play your division opponents?

jd1020
09-12-2011, 08:03 PM
They have 3 active corners, probably lost either their best or 2nd best corner for the season, no one can catch the ****ing ball. And Jackson's down.

Jacksons being ruled as unlikely for 1 week... give me a break.

Quad strain... Watch out! Hes out for the season!

Dante84
09-12-2011, 08:04 PM
The Bucs will be in on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, well at least record wise.

Too bad you've got Freeman. Not an issue.

unless you trade out of the spot... you bastards...

Rams Fan
09-12-2011, 08:05 PM
Jacksons being ruled as unlikely for 1 week... give me a break.

Okay, losing Jackson isn't the largest blow.

BUT LOSING FUCKING AMENDOLA FOR 8-10 WEEKS AND BARTELL FOR THE SEASON IS.

jd1020
09-12-2011, 08:06 PM
Okay, losing Jackson isn't the largest blow.

BUT LOSING ****ING AMENDOLA FOR 8-10 WEEKS AND BARTELL FOR THE SEASON IS.

Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo revealed Monday that Danny Amendola should be able to avoid surgery on his dislocated left elbow.

It's good news. Speaking on ESPN's NFL Live Monday, Adam Schefter suggested that Amendola could even miss the next three games before returning after the Rams' Week 5 bye. Amendola's injury looked gruesome when it happened, but day-after signs are all positive. Fantasy owners will want to hang tightly to Amendola at his current timetable. He doesn't look headed for I.R.

locomoulds
09-12-2011, 08:07 PM
The Bucs will be in on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, well at least record wise.

Ok if we let you have the number one pick then you must trade us Freeman for Cassel

Mr_Tomahawk
09-12-2011, 08:08 PM
Okay, losing Jackson isn't the largest blow.

BUT LOSING ****ING AMENDOLA FOR 8-10 WEEKS AND BARTELL FOR THE SEASON IS.

Eh, the 2nd half of your guys' schedule is easier than the first half. He will come back and you will wrap up those last few games and pick #5-10.

So we are still looking good for Luck. :)

Al Bundy
09-12-2011, 08:21 PM
Don't you like Freeman? Has he shown anything that makes you think he couldn't be an elite QB? When I've seen him play he seems very sound.

That is why I said "record wise". Meaning if the Bucs get that number 1 overall pick then the trade down could be a kings ransom.

Al Bundy
09-12-2011, 08:21 PM
Ok if we let you have the number one pick then you must trade us Freeman for Cassel

No way haha.

Urc Burry
09-12-2011, 11:15 PM
We're going to suck, but we won't be #1 pick bad. I'm guessing picking anywhere from 7-15. Luck will be gone, Barkley will be gone, and Landry Jones throws as many short passes as Cassel. I say give Stanzi a shot. Our run D has looked terrible, being run over by Freddie ****ing Jackson. So I say we go for this man.
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lewdog
09-12-2011, 11:18 PM
We're going to suck, but we won't be #1 pick bad. I'm guessing picking anywhere from 7-15. Luck will be gone, Barkley will be gone, and Landry Jones throws as many short passes as Cassel. I say give Stanzi a shot. Our run D has looked terrible, being run over by Freddie ****ing Jackson. So I say we go for this man.
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Agreed...if not for his attitude alone. Chiefs need some intensity from somewhere. What a flat team!

Guru
09-12-2011, 11:19 PM
1st overall QBs go to bad teams. It how it works. If some how this team had the 1st overall, I could think worse situations than the Chiefs. Despite how today looked, there is a lot of young talent on this team, one really good QB could make a world of difference.

Pioli would trade down with the top pick.

Bewbies
09-12-2011, 11:19 PM
WTF, pass on a QB for a LB? If Luck and Barkley are gone NICK FOLES BITCHES!

KCrockaholic
09-12-2011, 11:20 PM
Burfict isn't really that special on a consistent basis.

We need a franchise QB.

lewdog
09-12-2011, 11:27 PM
WTF, pass on a QB for a LB? If Luck and Barkley are gone NICK FOLES BITCHES!

Last time I checked it wasn't April 1st today.

lewdog
09-12-2011, 11:30 PM
Burfict isn't really that special on a consistent basis.

We need a franchise QB.

Sure we do but unless we have the #1 pick, I don't see a lot of QB depth behind Luck.

So then how about we put a guy in red who has a huge pair of nuts that isn't afraid to compete on every play. The Chiefs continue to come out flat and with no intensity on a consistent basis for the past decade. Besides some obvious personal changes, whatever the fuck goes on in that locker room needs to change.

KCrockaholic
09-12-2011, 11:35 PM
Sure we do but unless we have the #1 pick, I don't see a lot of QB depth behind Luck.

So then how about we put a guy in red who has a huge pair of nuts that isn't afraid to compete on every play. The Chiefs continue to come out flat and with no intensity on a consistent basis for the past decade. Besides some obvious personal changes, whatever the fuck goes on in that locker room needs to change.

I'm just sayin. Burfict doesn't always bring it. He's not a high motor at all time guy. He either turns on, or off. No in between.

chiefzilla1501
09-12-2011, 11:44 PM
Sure we do but unless we have the #1 pick, I don't see a lot of QB depth behind Luck.

So then how about we put a guy in red who has a huge pair of nuts that isn't afraid to compete on every play. The Chiefs continue to come out flat and with no intensity on a consistent basis for the past decade. Besides some obvious personal changes, whatever the **** goes on in that locker room needs to change.

I think Barkley or Landry Jones will be better QB prospects than a lot of former #1's, including Cam Newton.

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
09-12-2011, 11:56 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Suck-For-Luck/230309813685474

SNR
09-13-2011, 12:16 AM
Sure we do but unless we have the #1 pick, I don't see a lot of QB depth behind Luck.

So then how about we put a guy in red who has a huge pair of nuts that isn't afraid to compete on every play. The Chiefs continue to come out flat and with no intensity on a consistent basis for the past decade. Besides some obvious personal changes, whatever the fuck goes on in that locker room needs to change.There are one or two franchise guys, and we very well could be drafting in the top 10.

What's the rule again? If a franchise QB falls to you in the draft and you don't have one, YOU FUCKING TAKE HIM.

We fucked up in 2009. Let's not fuck up again.

NJChiefsFan
09-13-2011, 12:24 AM
Pioli would trade down with the top pick.

Hypothetically if that situation came up, I think the rookie wage scale would make Pioli more willing to take that pick. You aren't stuck cap wise like past years.

BryanBusby
09-13-2011, 12:29 AM
Pioli would trade down with the top pick.

I'm not so sure. I think it's an obvious mega talent, I think Pioli would hesitantly pull the trigger on it. Nobody thought Pioli would really draft a safety in the top 5.

Smed1065
09-13-2011, 12:43 AM
Go! Thanks McCluster you phag!

Fuck all posting here after 1 game if its to pile on.

Find some n00bs, fuckers.

Sucky
09-13-2011, 07:23 PM
If week 1 is any indication, the Colts will be getting Luck. They didnt even look competitive at all vs the Texans. Polian is already checking out his games in person and their owner says that Peyton only has about 3 years left. What a lucky fuckin franchise to have Peyton for all those years then probably get Luck.

lewdog
09-13-2011, 07:35 PM
I think Barkley or Landry Jones will be better QB prospects than a lot of former #1's, including Cam Newton.

Who do you think is better of those two guys?

I think I would rather have Barkley as he has benefited from running a pro style offense in college, making his pro development an easier task.


There are one or two franchise guys, and we very well could be drafting in the top 10.

What's the rule again? If a franchise QB falls to you in the draft and you don't have one, YOU ****ING TAKE HIM.

We ****ed up in 2009. Let's not **** up again.

I totally agree man. If the Chiefs have a very high pick, I hope they get a QB as well.

But if not, I don't want to see them settle for a QB that doesn't have a lot of potential and I am not sold on many QBs who will be available in the up coming draft.

chiefzilla1501
09-13-2011, 08:09 PM
Who do you think is better of those two guys?

I think I would rather have Barkley as he has benefited from running a pro style offense in college, making his pro development an easier task.
To be honest, I don't follow Big 12 football that much. So I may have made a bold statement by saying that Jones would be a #1 pick in the 2011 draft. I wouldn't worry about the system--a pro style system doesn't seem to be a dealbreaker as it used to be. He'd be running the same system Bradford ran a few years ago. That said, if I had to choose between the two, probably Barkley by a mile.

I totally agree man. If the Chiefs have a very high pick, I hope they get a QB as well.

But if not, I don't want to see them settle for a QB that doesn't have a lot of potential and I am not sold on many QBs who will be available in the up coming draft.
If Cassel doesn't take the team to the playoffs, it has to be a QB. He should be good enough in year 3 to carry a team to the playoffs, regardless of circumstance. If he isn't, he's not our guy.

alnorth
09-13-2011, 08:27 PM
Pioli would trade down with the top pick.

no he wont, not unless Luck takes a huge dump this year.

He might trade down from #2, but if Luck is still the "best QB prospect since Manning" and we have the pick, to hell with Cassel and Stanzi, he's ours.

Urc Burry
09-14-2011, 07:40 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
RT @bmifsud: Chiefs chances at #1 pick? ... Believe they'll be in race - and it would be best thing that could happen to them if they win.

Mr_Tomahawk
09-14-2011, 07:41 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
RT @bmifsud: Chiefs chances at #1 pick? ... Believe they'll be in race - and it would be best thing that could happen to them if they win.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Mr. Arrowhead
09-14-2011, 08:18 AM
so to win all we got to do is to lose

Mr_Tomahawk
09-14-2011, 08:21 AM
so to win all we got to do is to lose

Yes...so it's either going to be a win-win or lose-lose situation. So we are sure to lose....or win! So we will almost never always suck...sometimes!

Pants
09-14-2011, 08:29 AM
no he wont, not unless Luck takes a huge dump this year.

He might trade down from #2, but if Luck is still the "best QB prospect since Manning" and we have the pick, to hell with Cassel and Stanzi, he's ours.

Bro! You're talking about a guy who drafted Tyson Jackson with the #3 overall.

the Talking Can
09-14-2011, 08:34 AM
with the new rookie contracts, there is no excuse for not drafting first round QBs....over and over until you find a good one

Cave Johnson
09-14-2011, 09:02 AM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
RT @bmifsud: Chiefs chances at #1 pick? ... Believe they'll be in race - and it would be best thing that could happen to them if they win.

Smart guy, that Schefter.

talastan
09-14-2011, 09:14 AM
with the new rookie contracts, there is no excuse for not drafting first round QBs....over and over until you find a good one

This x 111 eleventy bizillion!!

orange
09-14-2011, 01:34 PM
Yes...so it's either going to be a win-win or lose-lose situation. So we are sure to lose....or win! So we will almost never always suck...sometimes!

Exactly! At least someone here is making sense!

NJChiefsFan
09-14-2011, 01:50 PM
with the new rookie contracts, there is no excuse for not drafting first round QBs....over and over until you find a good one

Exactly. If we had to give Luck Bradford+ money then I would be worried in that situation. With the wage-scale, if we get the first pick I think Pioli would take him.