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'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:19 PM
2nd and 2 at KC 27 (Shotgun) D.McCluster left tackle to KC 35 for 8 yards (J.Mays).

2nd and 10 at DEN 31 D.McCluster up the middle to DEN 21 for 10 yards (B.Bunkley).

3rd and 8 at DEN 19 (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short left to D.McCluster pushed ob at DEN 5 for 14 yards (D.Williams; Q.Carter).

1st and 5 at DEN 5 M.Cassel pass short right to D.McCluster to DEN 1 for 4 yards (A.Goodman).

1st and 10 at KC 24 D.McCluster up the middle to KC 34 for 10 yards (D.Williams). PENALTY on DEN-D.Williams, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at KC 34.

I'll leave out the last drive where Denver was in prevent.

LOOK AT ALL THOSE USELESS YARDS!

Your last play, the Chiefs were down by two scores with six minutes left and ran a draw on first down, you dumbass.

He caught a four yard pass...wow

He caught a 14 yard pass where the defender fell down.

He ran a draw on 2nd and 10 and another shotgun draw.

Color me really fucking impressed.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 05:19 PM
When the LB fell down in coverage? Yeah, that was awesome.

ROFL

KC has some of the most retarded fans.

Three7s
11-13-2011, 05:20 PM
Your last play, the Chiefs were down by two scores with six minutes left and ran a draw on first down, you dumbass.

He caught a four yard pass...wow

He caught a 14 yard pass where the defender fell down.

He ran a draw on 2nd and 10 and another shotgun draw.

Color me really ****ing impressed.
But Charles got his yards on nothing but draws!

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:21 PM
ROFL

KC has some of the most retarded fans.

Define irony.

The linebacker tripped over his own feet as McCluster ran a flare to the left side and Cassel lobbed it out to him as he was wide open. What high school player couldn't make that play?

jd1020
11-13-2011, 05:21 PM
Your last play, the Chiefs were down by two scores with six minutes left and ran a draw on first down, you dumbass.

He caught a four yard pass...wow

He caught a 14 yard pass where the defender fell down.

He ran a draw on 2nd and 10 and another shotgun draw.

Color me really ****ing impressed.

So he picked up 4 first downs, 25% of todays first downs, and set up the play action to McClain and you still bitch.

Isn't there a fire you can die in?

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:24 PM
So he picked up 4 first downs, 25% of todays first downs, and set up the play action to McClain and you still bitch.

Isn't there a fire you can die in?

Set up the play action? What the hell are you talking about? He caught to flare passes. Setting up the play action is actually running on a running down into the teeth of the defense.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 05:25 PM
Set up the play action? What the hell are you talking about? He caught to flare passes. Setting up the play action is actually running on a running down into the teeth of the defense.

Ya, the ball being on the 1 yard line has nothing to do with the Denver D biting so hard on the fake.

:facepalm:

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Ya, the ball being on the 1 yard line has nothing to do with the Denver D biting so hard on the fake.

:facepalm:

Setting up the play action to McClain.

Wasn't the person who did a guy who actually runs the ball, not catches passes, or perhaps the guy who the fake was actually given to?

You know, Jackie Battle?

No one is this fucking stupid.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:27 PM
Since when do you pass to set up the play action pass?

jd1020
11-13-2011, 05:28 PM
Since when do you pass to set up the play action pass?

You're so fucking stupid.

I'm done with you.

Enjoy hating your life.

Pablo
11-13-2011, 05:29 PM
Since when do you pass to set up the play action pass?Matt Cassel runs the bootleg to set up the run.

O.city
11-13-2011, 05:30 PM
Check this up to another Hamas win.

McCluster wasn't even on the field when the td was scored it was Battle.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:30 PM
You're so fucking stupid.

I'm done with you.

Enjoy hating your life.

I'll keep that in mind.

Please, explain to me how passing sets up the play action pass.

Is that why Decker was able to get open deep today for the kill shot, because Tebow was throwing the ball all over the yard?

McCluster catching two flare passes relates to a play fake to Jackie Battle which results in a pass to LeRon McClain exactly how?

DBOSHO
11-13-2011, 05:31 PM
Unless mccluster breaks 10 tackles and scores people say he sucks.

Its comical.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 05:31 PM
I'll keep that in mind.

Please, explain to me how passing sets up the play action pass.

Is that why Decker was able to get open deep today for the kill shot, because Tebow was throwing the ball all over the yard?

McCluster catching two flare passes relates to a play fake to Jackie Battle which results in a pass to LeRon McClain exactly how?

1. Yard. Line.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:32 PM
1. Yard. Line.

So Dexter McCluster catching a four yard pass and a 14 yard pass after a defender falls down sets up a play action fake to a player who is not him and a pass to a player is not him exactly how?

jd1020
11-13-2011, 05:33 PM
So Dexter McCluster catching a four yard pass and a 14 yard pass after a defender falls down sets up a play action fake to a player who is not him and a pass to a player is not him exactly how?

Ignored.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 05:35 PM
Owned.

Yeah, you were.

Dartgod
11-13-2011, 05:37 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa!

Is this JD guy actually giving McClusterFuck credit for the PA touchdown pass to McClain?

Three7s
11-13-2011, 05:40 PM
Unless mccluster breaks 10 tackles and scores people say he sucks.

Its comical.
Reggie Bush is what I wish McCluster would be. A guy who has the threat of running and catching the ball in space for big plays. You saw what he did against us? When was the last time McCluster did that? Of course, the McCluster supporters will say that the play calling never gets him into space. I call BS.

O.city
11-13-2011, 05:42 PM
Reggie Bush is what I wish McCluster would be. A guy who has the threat of running and catching the ball in space for big plays. You saw what he did against us? When was the last time McCluster did that? Of course, the McCluster supporters will say that the play calling never gets him into space. I call BS.

In his defense, he did have a play today where he was running wide open down the sideline on a wheel route....but he was not hit in stride.

Reerun_KC
11-14-2011, 03:49 PM
Well I forgot to update this until today..

Thanks AustinChief.

Molitoth
11-14-2011, 03:51 PM
the McCluster supporters will say that the play calling never gets him into space. I call BS

Running the smallest guy on the roster in between the tackles is not really utilizing him properly.

QuikSsurfer
11-14-2011, 03:53 PM
In his defense, he did have a play today where he was running wide open down the sideline on a wheel route....but he was not hit in stride.

He dove a bit early for the ball but yeah, a better thrown ball and that's 6.

DJ's left nut
11-14-2011, 04:07 PM
McCluster is an intriguing 6th round pick that we used a 2nd rounder on.

Its impossible for me to fairly judge him when all I can see when he does something (be it good or bad) is Kelly Gregg wheezing instead of Cody anchoring the center of our defense or Daryl Washington going sideline to sideline.

I hate him because of where we took him and the fact that his draft status is convincing people to over-expose him. He's just like Cassel and Jackson as a guy that this front office refuses to move past because of the time/money/opportunity cost invested in him.

He's not the worst player on his team. If some other team had him and cut him, I'd be in favor of picking him up. But his problem here is that I'll never see him as anything more than the dumb fucking 36th overall pick in 2010.

Reerun_KC
11-14-2011, 04:08 PM
Would be nice if we could set up some screens for the guy...

Extra Point
11-14-2011, 05:34 PM
Would be nice if we could set up some screens for the guy...

Yeah, but that's too predictable. /Haley and Muir

Micjones
11-14-2011, 05:40 PM
The truth is somewhere in the middle.
McCluster is this generation's Kevin Lockett.
He's a player with talent who will never live up to his draft position.

Had he been a middle round draft pick...there'd be less pressure on him and much less fan disappointment.

At the same time, this coaching staff uses him in the ODDEST ways.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-14-2011, 05:43 PM
McCluster is an intriguing 6th round pick that we used a 2nd rounder on.

Its impossible for me to fairly judge him when all I can see when he does something (be it good or bad) is Kelly Gregg wheezing instead of Cody anchoring the center of our defense or Daryl Washington going sideline to sideline.

I hate him because of where we took him and the fact that his draft status is convincing people to over-expose him. He's just like Cassel and Jackson as a guy that this front office refuses to move past because of the time/money/opportunity cost invested in him.

He's not the worst player on his team. If some other team had him and cut him, I'd be in favor of picking him up. But his problem here is that I'll never see him as anything more than the dumb fucking 36th overall pick in 2010.

Yeah, but it's not like anyone really knew that or made such an argument of him being an overvalued gadget player when he was drafted. Everyone thought he was Wes Welker and Devin Hester's mulatto love child.

Reerun_KC
11-22-2011, 09:12 AM
Updated

Mr. Laz
11-22-2011, 10:41 AM
He had one of his better games against the pats imo but it still doesn't measure up to his draft spot.

DMC is a gadget type player in an offense that doesn't have it's starters settled yet.

Count Alex's Wins
11-22-2011, 05:30 PM
Amazing that he has 0 touchdowns as much as he's touched the ball.

Extra Point
11-22-2011, 05:44 PM
Go, go, Gadget Brokedick!

Reerun_KC
11-29-2011, 02:52 PM
Amazing that he has 0 touchdowns as much as he's touched the ball.

Amazing Jones cant average more than 2 yards a carry as much as he touches the ball..

Amazing Battle is still fucking slow as shit as much as he touches the ball.

Amazing Dexter is still in one piece when the offense is in full Marty ball mode.

Count Alex's Wins
11-29-2011, 02:56 PM
Amazing Battle is still fucking slow as shit as much as he touches the ball.


He's a better player than McBuster.

Reerun_KC
11-29-2011, 03:00 PM
He's a better player than McBuster.

That isnt saying much... Battle should be a beast... He is the Donnel Bennett of the 2011 chiefs..

He needs to go back to special teams and never ever touch the ball again.

Deberg_1990
12-04-2011, 01:35 PM
He's money on the Hail Mary's!

kstater
12-04-2011, 01:36 PM
Amazing that he has 0 touchdowns as much as he's touched the ball.

Not anymore. LMAO

Count Alex's Wins
12-04-2011, 01:44 PM
If Dexter McCluster bars us from RGIII or Barkley, he's officially satan.

Easy 6
12-04-2011, 01:55 PM
PRO BOWL FTW1

Johnny Vegas
12-04-2011, 02:01 PM
He obviously loaded up on skittles before the game.

dannybcaitlyn
12-04-2011, 06:53 PM
Great game by the lil guy!

Saul Good
12-04-2011, 08:50 PM
13 more touches today.

KC Tattoo
12-04-2011, 09:02 PM
McCluster has taken solid hits all year and the Bears put some licks on him & he just keeps getting up. The kid is a player. He hasn't had a big impact but I am happy we have him on our team. I'm expecting more out of him next year with the return of JC. Teams will be chasing down JC for long runs and then turn around and find out what Dexter is doing with his burst of play. Hope that is the case for his success and Chiefs success in our running game next year.


Am getting more disapointed in Jackie Battle, thought he would have up his game this season with getting the opportunity.

Bowser
12-04-2011, 09:03 PM
BEAST MODE

Deberg_1990
12-04-2011, 10:01 PM
McCluster has taken solid hits all year and the Bears put some licks on him & he just keeps getting up. The kid is a player. He hasn't had a big impact but I am happy we have him on our team. I'm expecting more out of him next year with the return of JC. Teams will be chasing down JC for long runs and then turn around and find out what Dexter is doing with his burst of play. Hope that is the case for his success and Chiefs success in our running game next year.


Am getting more disapointed in Jackie Battle, thought he would have up his game this season with getting the opportunity.

I like Dex. He's really killer on those delay draw plays, especially Once he gets into some open space. He always gives max effort. Wish he was built a bit stockier like Sproles, but love his speed in the open field.

Reerun_KC
12-05-2011, 08:22 AM
Well look like Dexter was about the only offensive player to show up yesterday.

BoneKrusher
12-05-2011, 08:27 AM
Well look like Dexter was about the only offensive player to show up yesterday.

he makes defenses have to account for that Jamal Charles type speed.

Jones needs to go.

Buehler445
12-05-2011, 08:44 AM
Hey Genious head, you put week 13 ahead of week 12.

Reerun_KC
12-05-2011, 08:46 AM
Hey Genious head, you put week 13 ahead of week 12.

LMAO

mcaj22
12-05-2011, 09:46 AM
he makes defenses have to account for that Jamal Charles type speed.

Jones needs to go.



except he has nothing close to Jamaal Charles type speed.

so no, they dont have to respect it.

jd1020
12-05-2011, 10:14 AM
except he has nothing close to Jamaal Charles type speed.

so no, they dont have to respect it.

Charles has 4.3 speed and McCluster has 4.4 speed...

Reerun_KC
12-05-2011, 11:47 AM
Charles has 4.3 speed and McCluster has 4.4 speed...

LMAO

Chiefnj2
12-05-2011, 11:50 AM
Charles has 4.3 speed and McCluster has 4.4 speed...

4.58 at the combine. I'm sure he gains speed once he puts pads on his little frame.

jd1020
12-05-2011, 11:51 AM
4.58 at the combine. I'm sure he gains speed once he puts pads on his little frame.

He was expected to run sub 4.4...

Battle ran a 4.4 at the combine. I'm sure he's faster than McCluster.

Chiefnj2
12-05-2011, 11:54 AM
He was expected to run sub 4.4...

.

Expected, and didn't.

jd1020
12-05-2011, 11:54 AM
Expected, and didn't.

You're so ****ing retarded. He's ran 4.4 40's. He just didn't do it the 1 time at the combine.

He ran a 4.44 and 4.45 at his pro-day.

Once again, get a clue.

SenselessChiefsFan
12-05-2011, 12:11 PM
4.58 at the combine. I'm sure he gains speed once he puts pads on his little frame.

He also ran a 4.4 at his pro day and stumbled at the combine.

FAX
12-05-2011, 12:15 PM
A lot of times, miscommunication creeps in at the combine. There are a lot of numbers flying around and it happens.

In this case, they didn't mean McDervish ran a 4.4 ... they meant McDervish is 4.4.

FAX

Micjones
12-05-2011, 12:15 PM
Looks like the Chiefs are finally figuring out how to use McCluster.
Clearly his best day as a pro.

Chiefnj2
12-05-2011, 12:15 PM
He also ran a 4.4 at his pro day and stumbled at the combine.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816d27f1/2010-Combine-workout-Dexter-McCluster

Where's the stumble?

Everyone runs a 4.4 on campus.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-05-2011, 12:20 PM
Looks like he hasn't been smashed to pieces with 10 touches a game. Imagine that.

jd1020
12-05-2011, 12:21 PM
Everyone runs a 4.4 on campus.

Even Charles... who ran a 4.41 at his pro-day.

BigChiefFan
12-05-2011, 12:22 PM
He's our version of Kevin Faulk and it looks like he's starting to turn the corner, as a viable player.

Ultra Peanut
12-05-2011, 01:11 PM
mods rename me to HEY GENIUS HEAD

(no don't)

Count Alex's Wins
12-05-2011, 02:05 PM
He's our version of Kevin Faulk and it looks like he's starting to turn the corner, as a viable player.

LMAO

He had like 70 of his 100 yards on:

A giant, gaping hole anyone could have run through. It wasn't an impressive play in the least. He didn't make anyone miss, he just took the handoff and ran.

A hail mary.

You people. LMAO

Okie_Apparition
12-05-2011, 10:45 PM
He wins a game a season

FAX
12-05-2011, 11:05 PM
mods rename me to HEY GENIUS HEAD

(no don't)

I would like to dedicate this post to Ms. HEY GENIUS HEAD.

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FAX

Reerun_KC
12-19-2011, 01:35 PM
Updated totals...

Count Alex's Wins
12-19-2011, 04:44 PM
McCluster needs 23 touches in two weeks for BossChief to win our bet.

DBOSHO
12-19-2011, 04:48 PM
According to NFL.com, dexter has 99 carries on the season. I believe i have your sig rights.

Smed1065
12-21-2011, 05:30 PM
Man charged with burglarizing home of Chiefs player McCluster

Read more here:
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/20/3330567/man-charged-with-burglarizing.html#storylink=cpy

jd1020
12-21-2011, 05:38 PM
Man charged with burglarizing home of Chiefs player McCluster

Read more here:
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/20/3330567/man-charged-with-burglarizing.html#storylink=cpy

We could just go to the thread on this forum to read more about it.

Chocolate Hog
12-21-2011, 06:25 PM
Man charged with burglarizing home of Chiefs player McCluster

Read more here:
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/20/3330567/man-charged-with-burglarizing.html#storylink=cpy

Repost dumbass

Smed1065
12-21-2011, 06:31 PM
We could just go to the thread on this forum to read more about it.

Oops. Did not come up in the search. :banghead:

Mr. Laz
12-21-2011, 07:30 PM
i don't know about bets etc but even with Jamaal Charles hurt every touch by DMC is pretty much a waste. He is supposed to be in the game to make people miss ... that is HIS thing and he can't do it.

He usually makes a grand total of 1 REAL play a game. It's not worth all the other touches he gets. Give his carries to someone else, give his catches to someone else. Hell, give his returns to somebody else. Arenas is a better returner too ... he just gets pulled because sometimes the defense is getting worn down.

He gotta think there is a player there than could make better use of his roster spot.


another dam 2nd round pick flushed down the drain ... it's like a team curse.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 01:48 AM
McCluster needs 23 touches in two weeks for BossChief to win our bet.
I dont think we specified that it would only be counted as rushing and receiving stats ONLY.

The guy is already over the average I called for if we take into account his TOUCHES on punt and kick returns.

99 rushes
38 receptions
24 kick returns
5 punt returns
------------
166 touches

that is over 10/game

...

Im not saying I am gonna stick to this, but I do think that returns are "touches"...are they not?

We may need a ruling from an impartial member, or something...but I think he may cover it with just his rushing and receiving "touches" alone.

I wanted to keep that ace in the hole, though.

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 01:51 AM
I dont think we specified that it would only be counted as rushing and receiving stats ONLY.



Sorry bro. Offensive touches.




Ill be willing to wager that if he doesnt get hurt he will keep his "offensive touches per game" average throughout the year.

AustinChief
12-22-2011, 01:55 AM
I dont think we specified that it would only be counted as rushing and receiving stats ONLY.

The guy is already over the average I called for if we take into account his TOUCHES on punt and kick returns.

99 rushes
38 receptions
24 kick returns
5 punt returns
------------
166 touches

that is over 10/game

...

Im not saying I am gonna stick to this, but I do think that returns are "touches"...are they not?

We may need a ruling from an impartial member, or something...but I think he may cover it with just his rushing and receiving "touches" alone.

I wanted to keep that ace in the hole, though.

Touches are called touches because they include ALL times you "touch" the ball... pretty obvious. Yes returns are touches.. no question about it. Not sure how you guys worded your bet ... but returns are touches.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 01:57 AM
"The first offensive play of a series is the return."...this is only in regards to kick returns though as punt returns are generally regarded as a defensive play.

I know Im playing a semantics game here, but I'm ok either way.

I think it would be best for an impartial jury of our peers to decide, one way or another.

AustinChief
12-22-2011, 01:59 AM
"The first offensive play of a series is the return."...this is only in regards to kick returns though as punt returns are generally regarded as a defensive play.

I know Im playing a semantics game here, but I'm ok either way.

I think it would be best for an impartial jury of our peers to decide, one way or another.

yup, i was just about to say, with the wording you used, you should be able to count kickoff returns as offensive touches but you can't count punt returns.

and yes it is a ticky-tacky semantic call... but I GUARANTEE Clay wouldn't be above using it.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 02:00 AM
yup, i was just about to say, with the wording you used, you should be able to count kickoff returns as offensive touches but you can't count punt returns.

I worded that with that intent in mind, actually.

Didnt want to be obvious about it, though.

With kick returns included, I have already won our bet as he would already have 161 "offensive touches" and that is over 10/game.

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 02:00 AM
"The first offensive play of a series is the return."...this is only in regards to kick returns though as punt returns are generally regarded as a defensive play.

I know Im playing a semantics game here, but I'm ok either way.

I think it would be best for an impartial jury of our peers to decide, one way or another.

Garbage.

Special teams touches are not offensive touches.

I wouldn't be stupid enough to take a bet where potentially 60+ touches could come from special teams.

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 02:02 AM
Did you even look at the conversation we're having before the bet? We're talking about the offense.



when we play teams that are weak on the edges, he will get more carries because those types of runs (sweeps, stretches...etc) are his strength...when we play teams that are weak at DT (like Indy was only dressing 2 dts) but speedy ends, he will get less of a workload.

The gameplans are built on matchups.

I could have told you well before the indy game that DMC wouldn't get as many touches as he has in other games.

Its no coincidence that Battle got so many caries in a game when the opposing team was weak up the middle.


Homers die hard.

Battle was getting even the freaking draw plays that McCluster usually runs on Sunday. McCluster is headed to the bench.

AustinChief
12-22-2011, 02:04 AM
Garbage.

Special teams touches are not offensive touches.

I wouldn't be stupid enough to take a bet where potentially 60+ touches could come from special teams.

Shoulda stated that then. All we have to go off from is what is in print.. and in print, it says offensive touches. A kick return IS an offensive touch.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 02:05 AM
Like I said, I didn't want it to be obvious at the time the bet was made, but I worded it that way intentionally.

Its not really all that important, though.

Devil in the details and all.

A kick return IS an offensive play, always has been.

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 02:11 AM
Shoulda stated that then. All we have to go off from is what is in print.. and in print, it says offensive touches. A kick return IS an offensive touch.

An offensive touch on a special teams play.

Nice reasoning.

Nope, sorry. We were talking about McCluster's role on offense. That much is clear.

Why would I give a fuck about kickoff returns...any idiot can touch the ball on a kickoff return. It doesn't take talent.

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 02:13 AM
"The first offensive play of a series is the return."..

Where the fuck do you get this?

They don't count kickoff returns as part of drive charts...nor do they count kick return yards as part of offensive yards, or in offensive rankings.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 02:15 AM
An offensive touch on a special teams play.

Nice reasoning.

Nope, sorry. We were talking about McCluster's role on offense. That much is clear.

Why would I give a fuck about kickoff returns...any idiot can touch the ball on a kickoff return. It doesn't take talent.

Ever since my first time playing organized football, a kick return is considered an offensive play.

Ask any player on twitter if a kick return is the first offensive play of a series...or any coach...all of them will tell you that it is.

Its semantics, but its the truth.

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 02:17 AM
Ever since my first time playing organized football, a kick return is considered an offensive play.

Ask any player on twitter if a kick return is the first offensive play of a series...or any coach...all of them will tell you that it is.

Its semantics, but its the truth.

Yeah, that's why it's totally counted that way in NFL statistics and gamebooks.

You're not grandfathering that shit in, chief.

Goodnight.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 02:18 AM
Where the fuck do you get this?

They don't count kickoff returns as part of drive charts...nor do they count kick return yards as part of offensive yards, or in offensive rankings.

my coaches all the way back to before high school

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 02:21 AM
my coaches all the way back to before high school

LMAO

I'll find them and kill them to win this bet...

BossChief
12-22-2011, 02:23 AM
check your PM

KC Tattoo
12-22-2011, 02:39 AM
Quarterback be damned this season.


I still like McCluster and glad he is a Chief.

He hasn't quite done the things I have expected of him to do, but he has done fairly good with what he had at QB running the offense this season.

I do think that with a healthy dose of JC, McCluster can bring an extra jolt to the offense with a defense that has been chasing down JC. We havn't had that this year it's been a different game with just a sludge running attack.

McCluster has proven through the course of the year that he can hold his own for his little body.

IMO. We could have switched McCluster with Sproles from NO & McCluster would have had a better or just as productive outing as Spoles did there. Like wise if we had Darren Sproles he would have had struggled the same as Sproils has here. New O' leans has better coaching, 100X the quarterback & I'm sure McCluster would have had success doing what ever was asked of him like Sproils.

jd1020
12-22-2011, 02:41 AM
Quarterback be damned this season.


I still like McCluster and glad he is a Chief.

He hasn't quite done the things I have expected of him to do, but he has done fairly good with what he had at QB running the offense this season.

I do think that with a healthy dose of JC, McCluster can bring an extra jolt to the offense with a defense that has been chasing down JC. We havn't had that this year it's been a different game with just a sludge running attack.

McCluster has proven through the course of the year that he can hold his own for his little body.

IMO. We could have switched McCluster with Sproils from NO & McCluster would have had a better or just as productive outing as Spoils did there. Like wise if we had Sproils he would have had struggled the same as Sproils has here. New O' leans has better coaching, 100X the quarterback & I'm sure McCluster would have had success doing what ever was asked of him like Sproils.

Sproils. :hmmm:

KC Tattoo
12-22-2011, 02:48 AM
Sproils. :hmmm:

Darren Sproles.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 02:51 AM
Dexter has 654 yards of yards from scrimmage this year.

Sproles averages 618 yards from scrimmage per year.

Count Alex's Wins
12-22-2011, 02:54 AM
Dexter has 654 yards of yards from scrimmage this year.

Sproles averages 618 yards from scrimmage per year.

LMAO

Come on, man.

Sproles is averaging 7.5 yards per touch this year.

Dexter is doing good not fumbling but 4.7 yards per touch isn't impressive.

Looking at Sproles last four years, Dexter doesn't even come close to his per touch average.

KC Tattoo
12-22-2011, 03:01 AM
LMAO

Come on, man.

Sproles is averaging 7.5 yards per touch this year.

Dexter is doing good not fumbling but 4.7 yards per touch isn't impressive.

Looking at Sproles last four years, Dexter doesn't even come close to his per touch average.

Switching the two players and they would be intertwined that Sproles would look dismal here and McCluster would find success there. Better coaching & better QB play.

BossChief
12-22-2011, 03:01 AM
LMAO

Come on, man.

Sproles is averaging 7.5 yards per touch this year.

Dexter is doing good not fumbling but 4.7 yards per touch isn't impressive.

Looking at Sproles last four years, Dexter doesn't even come close to his per touch average.

you cant fairly compare yards per touch to gadget players on offenses with such a drastic difference in quarterback play and offensive design.

Im the first to say Dexter isnt as good as Sproles, but to use that as a reason isnt really fair.

I think they are somewhat similar players in what they give to their offense.

Sproles only had 255 yards in his first two years and only averaged 4.4 YPA while Dexter has had 934 and averaged 5.3....sometimes it takes a coaching staff some time to learn to utilize a guy like that.

There is a role in a good NFL offense for a guy like McCluster...the question will always be was it worth passing on a 2 down run stuffer (with big weight issues, ironically) or a really good tight end (who had legit concerns if his back would ever allow him to have a good NFL career) among other options at that spot.

pr_capone
12-22-2011, 03:04 AM
Garbage.

Special teams touches are not offensive touches.

I wouldn't be stupid enough to take a bet where potentially 60+ touches could come from special teams.

Everyone that is surprised that Wendler is mincing words to get out of a bet... raise your hand.

http://wenderly.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Big-Summer-Potluck-2010-32912.jpg

DaKCMan AP
12-22-2011, 06:46 AM
From the NFL rule book:


Section 35 Team A and B, Offense and Defense
OFFENSE AND DEFENSE
Article 1Whenever a team is in possession (3-2-7), it is the Offense and, at such time, its opponent is the
Defense.
TEAM A AND TEAM B
Article 2The team that puts the ball in play is Team A, and its opponent is Team B. For brevity, a player of
Team A is referred to as A1 and his teammates as A2, A3, etc. Opponents are B1, B2, etc.
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 13Note: A team becomes Team A when it has been designated to put ball in play, and it remains Team A until a
down ends, even though there might be one or more changes of possession during the down. This is in
contrast with the terms Offense and Defense. Team A is always the offense when a down starts, but
becomes the defense if and when B secures possession during the down, and vice versa for each change
of possession.
Article 3A change of possession occurs when a player of the defensive team secures possession of a ball
that has been kicked, passed, or fumbled by a player of the offensive team, or when the ball is awarded to
the opposing team by rule. A change of possession includes but is not limited to:
(a) an interception of a forward pass; or
(b) a catch or recovery of a fumble or backward pass; or
(c) a catch or recovery of a Scrimmage Kick, Free Kick, or Fair Catch Kick.
(d) when the offensive team fails to reach the line to gain on fourth down.
(e) when the offensive team misses a field-goal attempt

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/6_Rule3_Definitions.pdf

Buehler445
12-22-2011, 09:16 AM
Quarterback be damned this season.


I still like McCluster and glad he is a Chief.

He hasn't quite done the things I have expected of him to do, but he has done fairly good with what he had at QB running the offense this season.

I do think that with a healthy dose of JC, McCluster can bring an extra jolt to the offense with a defense that has been chasing down JC. We havn't had that this year it's been a different game with just a sludge running attack.

McCluster has proven through the course of the year that he can hold his own for his little body.

IMO. We could have switched McCluster with Sproles from NO & McCluster would have had a better or just as productive outing as Spoles did there. Like wise if we had Darren Sproles he would have had struggled the same as Sproils has here. New O' leans has better coaching, 100X the quarterback & I'm sure McCluster would have had success doing what ever was asked of him like Sproils.

I don't much care what Sproles did his first two years, but I will have to argue that McCluster is nothing compared to what Sproles is RIGHT NOW (he may get there, he may not). But right now, Sproles is in a different universe than McCluster.

I'll stay out of the argument of whether McCluster is worth a shit for the time being, but Sproles' burst is much faster than McCluster's. McCluster has good speed, but he's not nearly as explosive.

McCluster doesn't change direction nearly as fast as Sproles. He's not bad, but Sproles is amazing.

McCluster doesn't have nearly the vision that Sproles does. Sproles had that shit all the way back to KState. His whole damn career he's always been able to find the holes and seams. That's why he appears to be so wide open every damn play. McCluster doesn't have that.

McCluster isn't nearly as stout. Particularly when he gets out on CBs and safeties, Sproles can go through somebody. Sometimes McCluster tries, but I don't recall him ever doing it.

One can say with relative certainty that McCluster would have more success in Payton's (sp?) offense, but he's not Sproles.

Reerun_KC
12-22-2011, 09:20 AM
I think Buehler_445 has some Sproles on his chin....

you need a towel?

Buehler445
12-22-2011, 09:28 AM
I think Buehler_445 has some Sproles on his chin....

you need a towel?

Nah. I'm cool.

Sproles is a damn good football player. McCluster isn't there. Maybe he'll get there but he's not there yet. And saying McCluster=Sproles is just asinine.

But if you wanted to see some dudes with Sproles on their chin, you should have been in this part of the world when Sproles was at KState. The KSU fans out here were just :facepalm:. This place was damn near unbearable. If you didn't know better, Sproles won 6 championships, 4 Heisman's, slayed a dragon and cured cancer.

What's funny is that they couldn't see that (slightly younger) Old Ballz couldn't trot a QB that was worth shooting out there to help him out or they would have done something.

BossChief
12-23-2011, 05:34 PM
I think McCluster wins the bet for me without the touches from kickoff returns, but does anyone think they shouldn't be counted besides GoChiefs?

jd1020
12-23-2011, 05:48 PM
I think McCluster wins the bet for me without the touches from kickoff returns, but does anyone think they shouldn't be counted besides GoChiefs?

I would not count them for the simple fact that the offense is not on the field.

Pestilence
12-23-2011, 05:50 PM
I worded that with that intent in mind, actually.

Didnt want to be obvious about it, though.

With kick returns included, I have already won our bet as he would already have 161 "offensive touches" and that is over 10/game.

If you meant that....then why didn't you specifically state that?

Personally it sounds to me like you're stating that now after GoChiefs balked.

Marcellus
12-23-2011, 05:51 PM
I would not count them for the simple fact that the offense is not on the field.

Was the bet touches or offensive touches? I don't know. Makes a difference.

jd1020
12-23-2011, 05:52 PM
I have a feeling McCluster will rack up quite a bit of touches against the Raiders. I doubt our interior running game is going to be as successful against the Raiders as it was against the Packers.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-23-2011, 05:55 PM
Based off the conversation...it was obvious the bet was based on catches plus rushing attempts.

jd1020
12-23-2011, 05:55 PM
Was the bet touches or offensive touches? I don't know. Makes a difference.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8227695&postcount=328

Apparently "offensive touches."

Marcellus
12-23-2011, 06:03 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8227695&postcount=328

Apparently "offensive touches."

That seals it.

BossChief
12-23-2011, 06:03 PM
If you meant that....then why didn't you specifically state that?

Personally it sounds to me like you're stating that now after GoChiefs balked.I did.

I put "offensive touches" in quotes and a kick return is an offensive touch. Ill admit that I was about 50/50 on if he picked up on that.

He balked after I brought up th "devil in the details" because I didn't want to play that card after the season was over.

I thought it would be fair for it to be discussed prior to the bet ending.

Its really just a semantics discussion.

A kickoff return is a offensive touch and a punt return is a defensive play...if you dont think that is the case, Dexter needs 23 more "carries or receptions"

I have always viewed the kickoff return as "the first play of the offensive series" because thats exactly what it is.

Marcellus
12-23-2011, 06:04 PM
I did.

I put "offensive touches" in quotes and a kick return is an offensive touch. Ill admit that I was about 50/50 on if he picked up on that.

He balked after I brought up th "devil in the details" because I didn't want to play that card after the season was over.

I thought it would be fair for it to be discussed prior to the bet ending.

Its really just a semantics discussion.

A kickoff return is a offensive touch and a punt return is a defensive play...if you dont think that is the case, Dexter needs 23 more "carries or receptions"

I have always viewed the kickoff return as "the first play of the offensive series" because thats exactly what it is.

Soory dude, offensive touches means the offense is on the field not ST.

pr_capone
12-23-2011, 06:06 PM
I think McCluster wins the bet for me without the touches from kickoff returns, but does anyone think they shouldn't be counted besides GoChiefs?

kick returns should count. he touched the ball with the sole intent of scoring. if that isn't the definition of an offensive play... I dunno wot is.

Marcellus
12-23-2011, 06:09 PM
kick returns should count. he touched the ball with the sole intent of scoring. if that isn't the definition of an offensive play... I dunno wot is.

Yes but ST plays don't count statisticaly as offensive plays.

BossChief
12-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Soory dude, offensive touches means the offense is on the field not ST.

Your OPINION differs from that of FACTS that were offered by DaKCMans post that directly quotes the NFL rulebook a few posts back.

Marcellus
12-23-2011, 06:12 PM
Your OPINION differs from that of FACTS that were offered by DaKCMans post that directly quotes the NFL rulebook a few posts back.

I am fine with being wrong in my opinion. I had high hopes for DMC but I now have doubts.

I would love for him to kill it now but I dont see it.

Edit: that being said everyone knows the return team is considered the offensive team and the kicking team is the defensive team.

A team's ST return yards do not count towards the teams yards on offense for example.

jd1020
12-23-2011, 06:15 PM
I am fine with being wrong in my opinion. I had high hopes for DMC but I now have doubts.

I would love for him to kill it now but I dont see it.

If only McCluster was running the routes Pope was running against GB. Dudes as slow as a lineman and was wide open 20-30 yards down field.

Marcellus
12-23-2011, 06:17 PM
If only McCluster was running the routes Pope was running against GB. Dudes as slow as a lineman and was wide open 20-30 yards down field.

Wouldn't argue that.

Mr. Laz
12-23-2011, 06:35 PM
returns are NOT offensive touches

Pestilence
12-23-2011, 06:46 PM
I did.

I put "offensive touches" in quotes and a kick return is an offensive touch. Ill admit that I was about 50/50 on if he picked up on that.

He balked after I brought up th "devil in the details" because I didn't want to play that card after the season was over.

I thought it would be fair for it to be discussed prior to the bet ending.

Its really just a semantics discussion.

A kickoff return is a offensive touch and a punt return is a defensive play...if you dont think that is the case, Dexter needs 23 more "carries or receptions"

I have always viewed the kickoff return as "the first play of the offensive series" because thats exactly what it is.

If you did....then you would have said "Offensive touches to include kickoff returns".

AustinChief
12-23-2011, 07:19 PM
returns are NOT offensive touches

technically, yes they are. There is NO QUESTION on this fact. It may not be what most people assume to be the case, but the rules on this are clear.

Now, in the case of the bet, you have to decide #1)what the intent of the bet was AND #2)if you think GoChiefs wouldn't argue the exact same point if he were on the other side of the bet.

#1 is a toss up in my mind... kickoff returns have always been offensive touches in my mind, and that is also the official rule... but I can definitely see how others would disagree. So this one to me is a wash.

#2 there is NO QUESTION in my mind that GoChiefs wouldn't jump on something like this himself... so this seems like a perfect opportunity to show him what it feels like.

Count Alex's Wins
12-23-2011, 07:21 PM
Heh, sorry. It's pretty clear who is in the right here.

jd1020
12-23-2011, 07:22 PM
technically, yes they are. There is NO QUESTION on this fact. It may not be what most people assume to be the case, but the rules on this are clear.

Now, in the case of the bet, you have to decide #1)what the intent of the bet was AND #2)if you think GoChiefs wouldn't argue the exact same point if he were on the other side of the bet.

#1 is a toss up in my mind... kickoff returns have always been offensive touches in my mind, and that is also the official rule... but I can definitely see how others would disagree. So this one to me is a wash.

#2 there is NO QUESTION in my mind that GoChiefs wouldn't jump on something like this himself... so this seems like a perfect opportunity to show him what it feels like.

To me, it makes no sense to make a bet on touches and clarify it with "offensive touches" if you are going to include every single touch he has on offense and ST. If you just say "touches" then there is no question that every time he touches the ball its counts towards the bet.

AustinChief
12-23-2011, 07:43 PM
To me, it makes no sense to make a bet on touches and clarify it with "offensive touches" if you are going to include every single touch he has on offense and ST. If you just say "touches" then there is no question that every time he touches the ball its counts towards the bet.

ok, here is the problem.. the rules don't put an emphasis on special teams like you do... that is why a punt return is defense and a kickoff return is offense.

People need to get the idea that "special teams" is anything more than a convenient term out of their heads.. it isn't even mentioned in the 2011 rules (the pdf on nfl.com) except in one spot regarding helmet radios.

The reason to say "offensive touches" is to differentiate between kickoff returns and punt returns and also as a "gotcha" to GoChiefs later in case it was needed... that is how I am interpreting it at least.

Either way... let's agree to disagree on point #1.. the SALIENT point for me is #2) Do you honestly think GoChiefs wouldn't harp on the "official rule" if he were on the other side of the bet? I think he would, therefore THAT is what should be counted. If it were someone who clearly wouldn't try to weasel any type of win, but instead had an ounce of integrity.. then I wouldn't really have an opinion either way.

Count Alex's Wins
12-23-2011, 07:45 PM
The reason to say "offensive touches" is to differentiate between kickoff returns and punt returns



LMAO

The reason to say offensive offensive touches is to distinguish between touches that come when the Chiefs are playing offense and McCluster has to run a route or run the ball, not just catch a freaking ball out of the air.

http://www.invisiblebirds.com/rmtimg/gooddaysir.gif

AustinChief
12-23-2011, 07:49 PM
LMAO

The reason to say offensive offensive touches is to distinguish between touches that come when the Chiefs are playing offense and McCluster has to run a route or run the ball, not just catch a freaking ball out of the air.


How about this. Not here it isn't. HERE it means what the rulebook says... offensive touches include kickoff returns. Suck that.

Count Alex's Wins
12-23-2011, 07:49 PM
How about this. Not here it isn't. HERE it means what the rulebook says... offensive touches include kickoff returns. Suck that.

Sorry, the spirit of the bet is clearly defined.

Suck me.

Count Alex's Wins
12-23-2011, 07:51 PM
FYI, not that I really care, but the rulebook does NOT state that offensive touches include kickoff returns.

A kickoff is not a scrimmage kick. That's a punt...or a field goal....an actual play from scrimmage.

Team A is always the offense when a down starts

What down is a kickoff, guys? First down? LMAO

The rulebook actually helps my cause.

AustinChief
12-23-2011, 07:59 PM
FYI, not that I really care, but the rulebook does NOT state that offensive touches include kickoff returns.

A kickoff is not a scrimmage kick. That's a punt...or a field goal....an actual play from scrimmage.



What down is a kickoff, guys? First down? LMAO

The rulebook actually helps my cause.

Once again you prove that words are not your friend.
Kickoffs are FREE KICKS.

Team A is always the offense when a down starts, but
becomes the defense if and when B secures possession during the down, and vice versa for each change
of possession.
Article 3A change of possession occurs when a player of the defensive team secures possession of a ball
that has been kicked, passed, or fumbled by a player of the offensive team, or when the ball is awarded to
the opposing team by rule. A change of possession includes but is not limited to:
(a) an interception of a forward pass; or
(b) a catch or recovery of a fumble or backward pass; or
(c) a catch or recovery of a Scrimmage Kick, Free Kick, or Fair Catch Kick.

DBOSHO
12-23-2011, 08:00 PM
Feel free to change your sig anytime.

Count Alex's Wins
12-23-2011, 08:01 PM
You need to provide a sig, DBOSHO. That's not my responsibility.

AustinChief
12-23-2011, 08:06 PM
Feel free to change your sig anytime.

What sig are you planning to give him? you and BossChief should plan ahead and make the sig and avy work together for maximum enjoyment.

Count Alex's Wins
12-24-2011, 03:46 PM
8 touches for DMC today.

He needs 15 in the season finale for BossChief to win.

Kudos to the little bastard for making a huge play for the first time this year.

Saul Good
12-24-2011, 04:26 PM
Wasn't the reason you thought he wouldn't get that many touches based on the fact that you didn't think he could stand up to the punishment? If that's the case, it doesn't matter how he got his hands on the ball. He can clearly take the hits.

(Not talking about the bet, just your assessment of him.)

Three7s
12-24-2011, 04:29 PM
Wasn't the reason you thought he wouldn't get that many touches based on the fact that you didn't think he could stand up to the punishment? If that's the case, it doesn't matter how he got his hands on the ball. He can clearly take the hits.

(Not talking about the bet, just your assessment of him.)
I was impressed with McCluster today, but only because there were flashes of how he SHOULD be used. He needs to get in the screen game and needs to be matched on LBs. Why this team continues to hand him draws boggles me completely. He isn't worth a 2nd rounder, but the Chiefs offensive staff has done him no favors.

Count Alex's Wins
12-24-2011, 04:31 PM
I was impressed with McCluster today, but only because there were flashes of how he SHOULD be used. He needs to get in the screen game and needs to be matched on LBs. Why this team continues to hand him draws boggles me completely. He isn't worth a 2nd rounder, but the Chiefs offensive staff has done him no favors.

The only reason he's getting touches is because Charles is hurt.

NJChiefsFan
12-24-2011, 04:32 PM
8 touches for DMC today.

He needs 15 in the season finale for BossChief to win.

Kudos to the little bastard for making a huge play for the first time this year.

I will say this about the guy, and don't take it as me predicting huge things, but a guy like him needs an accurate QB. If you look at the pass he caught for like 15 yards down the seem, thats a Welker/Woodhead type play. He needs to be hit on the run so he has full speed.

Who knows what he becomes, but I would think he improves if he gets a QB that can hit him in stride.

jd1020
12-24-2011, 04:32 PM
The only reason he's getting touches is because Charles is hurt.

He'd still be getting touches even if Charles wasn't injured. Charles has never been a work horse.

Okie_Apparition
12-24-2011, 04:34 PM
The saving tackle for the INT TD & the sideline hit he layed earlier(that DB is in for a world of shit)
I found more impressive than the run

Count Alex's Wins
12-24-2011, 04:37 PM
He'd still be getting touches even if Charles wasn't injured. Charles has never been a work horse.

He'd be getting 3-4 touches a game. He's a dime a dozen backup scatback.

Short Leash Hootie
12-25-2011, 03:32 AM
He'd be getting 3-4 touches a game. He's a dime a dozen backup scatback.

like I said...

I think if he were in New Orleans being used in the Sproles role people would be all over his nuts just like they are on Sproles this year...

he has been in a terrible system for his skill set so far in his career...

perhaps with a good QB he can develop into a useful player

but yeah, he's made you look pretty foolish with this whole "he'll break if he touches the ball" theory.

Short Leash Hootie
12-25-2011, 03:39 AM
but yeah, 100% chance Dex will be on the roster next year so I won some kind of bet with you although I forget the parameters.

Still glad he's a Chief...not looking to be worth such the high pick as of yet, but with a good QB he can be a very useful weapon on offense, as he's showing with Orton on the field.

(and the Chiefs ran ANOTHER quality screen play...amazing)

Count Alex's Wins
12-25-2011, 03:42 AM
He makes one play and now suddenly he's legit. LMAO

BossChief
12-25-2011, 03:53 AM
758 combined rushing and receiving yards.

Not bad for a second year player.

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-28-2011, 04:39 PM
8 touches for DMC today.

He needs 15 in the season finale for BossChief to win.

Kudos to the little bastard for making a huge play for the first time this year.

2 minutes ago - by Bob Gretz - Leading rusher Battle likely to miss Denver game with injury
Leading rusher Jackie Battle is the only player likely out of Sunday’s trip to Denver because of injury. Coach Romeo Crennel said Wednesday that Battle is wearing a boot on a foot. He was not on the practice field Wednesday and will likely be listed as doubtful later in the week.



Looks like bosschief is gonna win no battle vs denver.......

Count Alex's Wins
12-28-2011, 04:40 PM
Aw fuck. FUCK.

Reerun_KC
12-28-2011, 04:41 PM
I need to update this.

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-28-2011, 04:42 PM
758 combined rushing and receiving yards.

Not bad for a second year player.

It isn't bad at all, but here come the but, but, buts...

Count Alex's Wins
12-28-2011, 04:46 PM
It isn't bad at all, but here come the but, but, buts...

Who cares?

With Charles back next season he will be lucky to get 300 total yards.

Reerun_KC
12-28-2011, 04:53 PM
Who cares?

With Charles back next season he will be lucky to get 300 total yards.

:LOL:

Go Chiefs and his predictions....

Priceless....

Okie_Apparition
12-28-2011, 04:54 PM
LEt's rumble with the 'stude

Pasta Giant Meatball
12-28-2011, 04:55 PM
Who cares?

With Charles back next season he will be lucky to get 300 total yards.

I see another losing bet next year in your future :)

Count Alex's Wins
12-28-2011, 04:58 PM
I see another losing bet next year in your future :)

It's like you guys don't even watch the games.

Dexter McCluster is 44th out of 57 backs on PFF's "elusive rating" list.

He's 170 fucking pounds, and he sucks at being elusive.

Great fucking player.

Count Alex's Wins
12-28-2011, 04:59 PM
This guy is gonna touch it 150 times this year, and not score a legit TD.

That's hard to do, really.

Reerun_KC
12-28-2011, 05:03 PM
Best part about it, the more GoChiefs hates the player the better they do...

Then you get guys like Devard Darling, LJ, Huard and so forth... He starts swinging from the sack and boom, nothing...

Have to give him props though, he loves to fail and is proud of it...

Reerun_KC
12-28-2011, 05:04 PM
This guy is gonna touch it 150 times this year, and not score a legit TD.

That's hard to do, really.

And no its not... Jones and Battle struggling also...

Moron...

Pestilence
12-28-2011, 05:05 PM
Best part about it, the more GoChiefs hates the player the better they do...

Then you get guys like Devard Darling, LJ, Huard and so forth... He starts swinging from the sack and boom, nothing...

Have to give him props though, he loves to fail and is proud of it...

Dexter McCluster has done better?

Reerun_KC
12-28-2011, 05:10 PM
Dexter McCluster has done better?

No at all, but to act like he is the ONLY player on the Chiefs that is failing is laughable at best...

Three7s
12-28-2011, 05:54 PM
No at all, but to act like he is the ONLY player on the Chiefs that is failing is laughable at best...
We know that, but McCluster is a 2nd round pick. Other failures like Richardson are late-rounders. If the team wants McCluster to succeed, they have to get him matched up with a LB and use him in the screen game. You can't just hand the ball off to him.

BossChief
12-28-2011, 06:02 PM
It's like you guys don't even watch the games.

Dexter McCluster is 44th out of 57 backs on PFF's "elusive rating" list.

He's 170 fucking pounds, and he sucks at being elusive.

Great fucking player.

I'd be glad to go ahead and make another bet with you for next year.

his "elusive rating" will be top 20 (meaning he will be twice as effective at it than this year)

This is without even knowing the next head coach or any of our personel moves or draft picks.

With his quarterback being anybody but Cassel, the screens and other designed plays will actually be executed properly and DMC won't be getting hit by multiple defenders before the LOS more than half the time and that will give him the perception and production or a more elusive player.

BossChief
12-28-2011, 06:12 PM
We know that, but McCluster is a 2nd round pick. Other failures like Richardson are late-rounders. If the team wants McCluster to succeed, they have to get him matched up with a LB and use him in the screen game. You can't just hand the ball off to him.

His average per rush is 4.5 on over 100 carries.

That doesn't really match up to a player that you can't hand it off to.

Some of you simply don't evaluate the player on his merits, you only evaluate him by his draft position and that is not too fair to the player...same goes for Tyson Jackson. Tyson has been one of the leagues best 3-4 linemen that has been absolutely "SWALLOWING THE RUN" all year, but people only see the misused draft pick and hate Tyson for it.

Three7s
12-28-2011, 10:24 PM
His average per rush is 4.5 on over 100 carries.

That doesn't really match up to a player that you can't hand it off to.

Some of you simply don't evaluate the player on his merits, you only evaluate him by his draft position and that is not too fair to the player...same goes for Tyson Jackson. Tyson has been one of the leagues best 3-4 linemen that has been absolutely "SWALLOWING THE RUN" all year, but people only see the misused draft pick and hate Tyson for it.
Oh boy, the 3rd and 25 draw that goes for 18.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2011, 10:32 PM
Dex could really be an exciting player if the stooges calling plays had a fucking clue how to use him effectively.

Haley may have been a portion of the problem with this offense, but its clear Muir and Zorn are fucking useless. Too bad about Zorn really, I liked the hire.

Direckshun
12-28-2011, 10:35 PM
Take BC's bet, GC.

You gotta.

BossChief
12-28-2011, 10:52 PM
Dex could really be an exciting player if the stooges calling plays had a fucking clue how to use him effectively.

Haley may have been a portion of the problem with this offense, but its clear Muir and Zorn are fucking useless. Too bad about Zorn really, I liked the hire.

Zorn is a bad ay caller and should be topped out as a qb coach, IMO....but hopefully paid a premium to stay on in that capacity.

He got his playcalling ability stripped of him in Washington and a coach was brought in to call the plays.

BossChief
12-28-2011, 10:56 PM
Oh boy, the 3rd and 25 draw that goes for 18.

Why do these idiots keep running Dexter up the middle?

Count Alex's Wins
12-29-2011, 03:12 AM
His average per rush is 4.5 on over 100 carries.

That doesn't really match up to a player that you can't hand it off to.

Some of you simply don't evaluate the player on his merits, you only evaluate him by his draft position and that is not too fair to the player...same goes for Tyson Jackson. Tyson has been one of the leagues best 3-4 linemen that has been absolutely "SWALLOWING THE RUN" all year, but people only see the misused draft pick and hate Tyson for it.

It's completely deceptive, though.

The majority of his rushing yards this year came on draws during garbage time, especially on third down a a play before we punted.

He's not a good running back. He's not elusive, he certainly doesn't break tackles.

Reerun_KC
12-29-2011, 07:34 AM
It's completely deceptive, though.

The majority of his rushing yards this year came on draws during garbage time, especially on third down a a play before we punted.

He's not a good running back. He's not elusive, he certainly doesn't break tackles.



:LOL:

Poor guy, Keep holding on GC...

ChiefsandO'sfan
12-31-2011, 06:12 PM
kcchiefs Kansas City Chiefs
Chiefs Place RB Jackie Battle on IR, Sign RB Shaun Draughn - http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/CHIEFS-PLAC E-RB-JACKIE-BATTLE-ON-IR-SIGN-RB-SHAUN-DRAUGHN/01f 847dc-79d6-4a3c-ba5f-0e5450c17830 # Chiefs


Gochiefs might win now

Okie_Apparition
12-31-2011, 06:20 PM
CHIEFS PLACE RB JACKIE BATTLE ON IR, SIGN RB SHAUN DRAUGHN
By PR Staff

Posted 24 minutes ago

a a Read Discuss Comments:

The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Saturday that the club has placed RB Jackie Battle on injured reserve and signed RB Shaun Draughn to the 53-man roster.

Battle (6-2, 238) has played in 48 games (four starts) with Kansas City (2007-11). He has rushed 190 times for 715 yards (3.8 avg.) with four touchdowns and caught 14 passes for 76 yards (5.4 avg.). He also has 25 special teams tackles. He originally entered the NFL as a rookie free agent with Dallas in 2007 from the University of Houston.

Draughn (6-0, 205) entered the NFL as a college free agent with Washington in 2011 and spent 13 weeks on the Chiefs practice squad. He produced 451 carries for 2,070 yards (4.6 avg.) with 10 touchdowns and 50 catches for 268 yards (5.4 avg.) with a score at North Carolina. The Tarboro, N.C. native was a three-year starter at Tarboro High School where he rushed for 1,452 yards and 21 touchdowns as a senior.

notorious
12-31-2011, 06:23 PM
I have never seen a RB more deserving of a C- in my life.

mlyonsd
12-31-2011, 06:25 PM
Two things about Dexter. He has turned out to be more durable then I imagined and not as quick.

Okie_Apparition
12-31-2011, 06:29 PM
Whoa
I guess the article where Muir says in hindsight they didn't use Dexter enough
Hasn't been posted

notorious
12-31-2011, 06:31 PM
Whoa
I guess the article where Muir says in hindsight they didn't use Dexter enough
Hasn't been posted

:facepalm:

ChiefsNow
12-31-2011, 06:34 PM
I like Dexter. He is not our problem.

Okie_Apparition
12-31-2011, 06:35 PM
He's jumped before he gets the ball handed to him
that's not on him

notorious
12-31-2011, 06:35 PM
I like Dexter. He is not our problem.

They don't use him properly.


Hell, 80% of his screens were stopped right when he caught the ball, and the run up the gut plays drove me even further into insanity.

Count Alex's Wins
12-31-2011, 06:37 PM
They don't use him properly.



There aren't many uses for a 170-pound scatback who can't make anyone miss.

notorious
12-31-2011, 06:39 PM
There aren't many uses for a 170-pound scatback who can't make anyone miss.

True, he doesn't create anything himself, hence the C- grade I give him.

Like any RB, if they get him into space with good execution and play calling, he will gain decent yardage. He isn't anything special.

stonedstooge
12-31-2011, 06:41 PM
Has Dexter lost his speed and quickness already? Doesn't seem to have what he showed flashes of the first of last season

ChiefsNow
12-31-2011, 06:46 PM
He needs a trainer to help put some meat on his bones.

Okie_Apparition
12-31-2011, 06:46 PM
Javier is getting more use all over the place
they may be tied for TDs on the season

Deberg_1990
12-31-2011, 06:50 PM
Has Dexter lost his speed and quickness already? Doesn't seem to have what he showed flashes of the first of last season

Did u miss the end of the 4th.Q last.week?
Posted via Mobile Device

ChiefsNow
12-31-2011, 06:58 PM
Shaun Droughn just signed to the active roster for this game. I was hoping to see him in action.http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/CHIEFS-PLACE-RB-JACKIE-BATTLE-ON-IR-SIGN-RB-SHAUN-DRAUGHN/01f847dc-79d6-4a3c-ba5f-0e5450c17830

BossChief
12-31-2011, 07:19 PM
Shaun Droughn just signed to the active roster for this game. I was hoping to see him in action.http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article-2/CHIEFS-PLACE-RB-JACKIE-BATTLE-ON-IR-SIGN-RB-SHAUN-DRAUGHN/01f847dc-79d6-4a3c-ba5f-0e5450c17830

shut your whore mouth

Count Alex's Wins
12-31-2011, 07:20 PM
30 carries for Thomas Jones. Gotta finish his career with honor.

Extra Point
12-31-2011, 07:28 PM
30 carries for Thomas Jones. Gotta finish his career with humor.

FYP. Sucker-Punch Baldwin learned for his first and last time.

ChiefsNow
12-31-2011, 07:39 PM
shut your whore mouth


what, you are not curious at all about Drougns? He has a football player name.

philfree
12-31-2011, 08:12 PM
McCluster was an off the wall pick but compared to Arrelious Benn who some stated would have been a better pick he's not doing so bad. Benn has 30 catches for 441 yards in 2011 while McCluster as over 1,300 total yards in 2011.

Looks like a bunch of bitchin' about nothing to me.

Count Alex's Wins
12-31-2011, 08:16 PM
McCluster was an off the wall pick but compared to Arrelious Benn who some stated would have been a better pick he's not doing so bad. Benn has 30 catches for 441 yards in 2011 while McCluster as over 1,300 total yards in 2011.

Looks like a bunch of bitchin' about nothing to me.

This doesn't take into account that Benn is a wide receiver and McCluster was a failed wide receiver.

Don't EVEN make me bring up the other players picked in that round or the third round. It absolutely embarrasses the McCluster pick.

And FYI, counting kick returns (something that McCluster sucks at) as part of his "total yardage" in an effort to make him look good is pathetic.

philfree
12-31-2011, 08:37 PM
This doesn't take into account that Benn is a wide receiver and McCluster was a failed wide receiver.

Don't EVEN make me bring up the other players picked in that round or the third round. It absolutely embarrasses the McCluster pick.

And FYI, counting kick returns (something that McCluster sucks at) as part of his "total yardage" in an effort to make him look good is pathetic.


I'm not trying to make him look good. I'm just showing how they compare in 2011. Take away his return yards and he still has more yard from scrimmage however it's all about production. Benn does have 3 TDs though.

AS far as position goes I never heard anyone from the Chiefs say that McCluster was going to be used soley as a slot reciever. They might have said they were going to start him out as slot but he was in the backfield too in his first season.:shrug:

As far as other players that could have been picked there are re-drafts every years and lot's of players move up from where they were picked. Hindsight is 50/50 you know.

Against the Raiders McCluster made two huge plays that should have gotten us the win. He ran down the return man to save the TD making a 4 point ndifference in the game. Then he busted open the screen which lead to our only TD.

He's a decent player although he's not what any of us expected with that pick.

Count Alex's Wins
12-31-2011, 09:09 PM
I'm not trying to make him look good. I'm just showing how they compare in 2011. Take away his return yards and he still has more yard from scrimmage however it's all about production. Benn does have 3 TDs though.

Only because Charles got hurt. That's the only reason McCluster got so many touches this year.


AS far as position goes I never heard anyone from the Chiefs say that McCluster was going to be used soley as a slot reciever.


He hasn't played in the slot at all this year.

He was drafted to be a WR.

Now he's a RB.

philfree
12-31-2011, 10:09 PM
Only because Charles got hurt. That's the only reason McCluster got so many touches this year.



He hasn't played in the slot at all this year.

He was drafted to be a WR.

Now he's a RB.

Not a single snap as reciever all year? I'm pretty sure i've seen him on the LOS more then once.

I don't think he was drafted to be soley a WR. He was taking handoffs as a RB last as well as working as a slot guy. Why would they have done that right off the bat if he was drafted to be soley a WR?

He's not a terrible player.

Count Alex's Wins
12-31-2011, 11:16 PM
Not a single snap as reciever all year? I'm pretty sure i've seen him on the LOS more then once.
.

Being split out in five wide =/ playing in the slot in 3 WR formations. Derrick Blaylock used to be split out, doesn't make him a WR.

I don't think he was drafted to be soley a WR.

He played gobs and gobs of snaps as a WR last year. It was his primary role. He sucked at it and they changed his position.


He's not a terrible player

Agreed. But we could replace him with a guy off the street. He's pretty much a giant ball of meh. He gains yards if the blocking is there. If it's not, 90 percent chance he does dick.

philfree
12-31-2011, 11:24 PM
Being split out in five wide =/ playing in the slot in 3 WR formations. Derrick Blaylock used to be split out, doesn't make him a WR.



He played gobs and gobs of snaps as a WR last year. It was his primary role. He sucked at it and they changed his position.



Agreed. But we could replace him with a guy off the street. He's pretty much a giant ball of meh. He gains yards if the blocking is there. If it's not, 90 percent chance he does dick.

Did I say he was a WR?
Did I say he didn't play lot's of WR last year?

Most players don't do alot without blocking. :shrug:

Count Alex's Wins
12-31-2011, 11:27 PM
Most players don't do alot without blocking. :shrug:

Exactly.

McCluster is nothing special. He is indistinguishable from "most players."

AustinChief
01-01-2012, 03:53 PM
8 touches for DMC today.

He needs 15 in the season finale for BossChief to win.

Kudos to the little bastard for making a huge play for the first time this year.
Although I think BossChief has already won this... I'll play along...


1/3 of the way there today... 5 touches and a TD

lewdog
01-01-2012, 03:53 PM
Enjoy the show McCluster is putting on today!!!

philfree
01-01-2012, 03:56 PM
Dexter McCluster
Bronco Buster

Fruit Ninja
01-01-2012, 04:16 PM
bah wrong thread

AustinChief
01-01-2012, 04:19 PM
Although I think BossChief has already won this... I'll play along...


1/3 of the way there today... 5 touches and a TD

11 touches and a TD in the first half.

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 04:24 PM
:(:(:(:(

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 04:30 PM
He needs about 10 more in the second half..

BossChief
01-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Hahaha

BossChief
01-01-2012, 04:34 PM
Bwahahaha

AustinChief
01-01-2012, 04:35 PM
He needs about 10 more in the second half..

He needs 4 more for GoChiefs to lose (even by his own rules)

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 04:35 PM
Well need to update this....

Shogun
01-01-2012, 04:35 PM
lold

QuikSsurfer
01-01-2012, 04:37 PM
What are the terms of this bet?

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 04:39 PM
What are the terms of this bet?

4 more touches and BossChief owns my avatar for the whole offseason.


DBOSHO already owns my sig for the same length.

AustinChief
01-01-2012, 04:40 PM
What are the terms of this bet?

Someone bet him his sig and someone else bet him his avatar... he has already lost one due to McD.. the other will be lost with 4 more touches. Not sure if it is the entire offseason or just until the draft... too lazy to look it up.

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 04:41 PM
Doesn't surprise me McCluster is having a good game. I look at what he did to the volts even with Eric Berry on there defense in college. McCluster can have big days to watch out for on any given sunday. He is fun to watch & just maybe my favorite player on this Chiefs team.

QuikSsurfer
01-01-2012, 04:42 PM
lol... Well we'll need to go ahead and get a mccluster gif worked up for his new avatar.. maybe of him doing a failed spin move? Or him beating his fist on the turf while he's under the gang-pile in the Baltimore playoff game... Something juicy.

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 04:42 PM
Doesn't surprise me McCluster is having a good game.

He's racking up yardage by running through giant fucking holes.

He's not doing anything particularly special.

Coogs
01-01-2012, 04:44 PM
This is from a Star article about 2 or 3 days ago...

Without Charles, the Chiefs tried to cobble together a backfield using Thomas Jones, Battle and Dexter McCluster. None was capable of giving the Chiefs what Charles did last season, though Muir said Friday in retrospect the Chiefs should have played McCluster more.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/30/3345640/inability-to-score-in-red-zone.html#storylink=cpy

lewdog
01-01-2012, 04:46 PM
Doesn't surprise me McCluster is having a good game. I look at what he did to the volts even with Eric Berry on there defense in college. McCluster can have big days to watch out for on any given sunday. He is fun to watch & just maybe my favorite player on this Chiefs team.

Speaking of mediocre, is that actually a Chiefs tattoo on YOUR arm?

luv
01-01-2012, 04:46 PM
He's racking up yardage by running through giant ****ing holes.

He's not doing anything particularly special.

He's not big enough to make holes, so, duh. He's also been maneuvering well, and he's got speed.

Haters gonna hate.

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 04:47 PM
He's racking up yardage by running through giant ****ing holes.

He's not doing anything particularly special.

Keep saying that. You already make yourself out to be an ~ass~ with ~dumb~ in front of it.

BossChief
01-01-2012, 04:49 PM
He's racking up yardage by running through giant fucking holes.

He's not doing anything particularly special.

They only lo so big because he is so small.

Haha

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 04:49 PM
Keep saying that. You already make yourself out to be an ~ass~ with ~dumb~ in front of it.

Keep crowing over one good half of football where the guy made exactly one player miss.

Next year he goes back to the bench and touches it 3 times a game.

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 04:51 PM
Keep crowing over one good half of football where the guy made exactly one player miss.

Next year he goes back to the bench and touches it 3 times a game.

You wanna bet on this?

Cause you have no fucking clue period... You are just WPI'ing shit and hoping it sticks...

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 04:52 PM
You wanna bet on this?

Cause you have no fucking clue period... You are just WPI'ing shit and hoping it sticks...

What, you think Charles and McCluster are gonna split carries? LMAO


Give me a break.

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 04:53 PM
I will put a bet on that GoFraud...

48 touches all year, and the bet is the loser has an offseason ban from CP for the 2013 offseason.....

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 04:53 PM
What, you think Charles and McCluster are gonna split carries? LMAO


Give me a break.

Man up and bet...

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 04:54 PM
Speaking of mediocre, is that actually a Chiefs tattoo on YOUR arm?

Yes it's a tattoo I got in Mexico, from Heart and Huntington tattoo parler in Cobo San Lucas. Joshua Sutcliffe aka Dizzle from Miami Ink did my tattoo.

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 05:03 PM
Keep crowing over one good half of football where the guy made exactly one player miss.

Next year he goes back to the bench and touches it 3 times a game.

I think your just trolling for attention. You can't be serious :LOL:

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 05:04 PM
I think your just trolling for attention. You can't be serious :LOL:

Get rid of Jones and Battle, Dexter picks up 8-10 touches a game or more spelling a recovering Charles...

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 05:06 PM
Get rid of Jones and Battle, Dexter picks up 8-10 touches a game or more spelling a recovering Charles...

There is no way McBuster averages more than 8 touches a game next year.

And I'll bet on that right now.


(barring injury)

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 05:09 PM
There is no way McBuster averages more than 8 touches a game next year.

And I'll bet on that right now.


(barring injury)

You said 3....

3 is the bet.... YOU run you mouth back it up for a change...

Keep crowing over one good half of football where the guy made exactly one player miss.

Next year he goes back to the bench and touches it 3 times a game.

YOU are spineless...

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 05:11 PM
Not confident enough in that. But he's not going to touch the ball as much as he did this year, and he won't be RB2.

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 05:15 PM
Not confident enough in that. But he's not going to touch the ball as much as he did this year, and he won't be RB2.

Why couldn't he? After a big run from JC then the defenses would have to account for McCluster and be tired so he could run for another big gane. I like the JC McCluster combo threat.

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 05:25 PM
Why couldn't he? After a big run from JC then the defenses would have to account for McCluster and be tired so he could run for another big gane. I like the JC McCluster combo threat.

Because McCluster can't run inside for shit, hello?

Christ, you're stupid.

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 05:26 PM
Because McCluster can't run inside for shit, hello?

Christ, you're stupid.


You have no room to talk.... I cant think of anyone who look more stupid than you here... GoWelcher...

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 05:32 PM
Because McCluster can't run inside for shit, hello?

Christ, you're stupid.

Coming from you it's a compliment. Anything you say is opposite of reality.

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 05:34 PM
Coming from you it's a compliment. Anything you say is opposite of reality.


LMAO


Come on man, McCluster is a fucking joke...one half of football doesn't change that.

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 05:41 PM
LMAO


Come on man, McCluster is a ****ing joke...one half of football doesn't change that.

~opposite~

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 05:47 PM
McCluster has improved on his blocking this year to help protect the QB.

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 05:49 PM
McCluster has improved on his blocking this year to help protect the QB.

No, he hasn't.

170 pound backs don't belong in pass protection.

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 05:50 PM
No, he hasn't.

170 pound backs don't belong in pass protection.

According to who? You? a wannabe journalist? ROFL

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 05:52 PM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x223/Babycarob/Misc%20gifs%20and%20imagines/no-darth_vader.jpg

AustinChief
01-01-2012, 05:52 PM
and there it is. 15th touch today.

KC Tattoo
01-01-2012, 05:52 PM
No, he hasn't.

170 pound backs don't belong in pass protection.

~opposite~

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 05:53 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/33u51jn.jpg

BossChief
01-01-2012, 05:58 PM
I'll work on that avatar and let you know when it's ready.

Count Alex's Wins
01-01-2012, 06:01 PM
Yeah. Since my avatar is toast, who wants Matt Cassel's Flaming AIDS Tree?

Reerun_KC
01-01-2012, 06:13 PM
Dexter single handly won two games this year...

Well done Dexter...

Easy 6
01-01-2012, 06:18 PM
He hasnt peformed like you want a secound rounder to, but i think he's proven that he deserves a spot here, he brings some explosiveness & versatility.

He'll have a better year when we get an OC that knows how to use a guy like him, not slamming him up the gut & trying deep passes down the sideline to him.