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Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 07:17 AM
Well since GoPlagerism is touting my post in is signature, I figured I would start a countdown thread to see how we stack up on the touches..


So I predicted somewhere between 125-140* touches this year, with a high as 175 (which might be too high).


Week 1
Rushing 4 for 42
Receiving 5 for 25

Week 2
Rushing 8 for 51
Receiving 4 for -2

Week 3
Rushing 9 for 45
Receiving 5 for 17

Week 4
Rushing 7 for 26
Receiving 3 for 12

Week 5
Rushing 4 for 8
Receiving 1 for 10

Week 6
BYE

Week 7
Rushing 10 for 38
Receiving 1 for -3

Week 8
Rushing 6 for 0
Receiving 3 for 28

Week 9
Rushing 7 for 36
Receiving 1 for 8

Week 10
Rushing 8 for 45
Receiving 6 for 48

Week 11
Rushing 8 for 39
Receiving 2 for 9

Week 12
Rushing 9 for 28
Receiving 2 for 11

Week 13
Rushing 9 for 61
Receiving 4 for 46 / 1 TD

Week 14
Rushing 4 for 1
Receiving 0 for 0

Week 15
Rushing 5 for 14
Receiving 2 for 11

Week 16
Rushing 3 for 15
Receiving 5 for 89

Week 17
Rushing 12 for 61 1 TD
Receiving 3 for 25

Three7s
09-12-2011, 07:19 AM
He shouldn't get a single touch for the rest of the season after that fumble.

Los Pollos Hermanos
09-12-2011, 07:21 AM
He shouldn't get a single touch for the rest of the season after that fumble.

Didn't Charles fumble too?


- CFoD -

Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 07:21 AM
He shouldn't get a single touch for the rest of the season after that fumble.

Either should Charles then, if you are using that logic...


:banghead:

Ace Gunner
09-12-2011, 07:23 AM
Didn't Charles fumble too?


- CFoD -

off with his head! And Matt C threw to the opposition - run him over with a truck!

Three7s
09-12-2011, 07:24 AM
Yeah, because the came was still clearly in reach when Charles fumbled.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 07:27 AM
Yeah, because the came was still clearly in reach when Charles fumbled.

WTF? :eek:

The fact that you are using this as logic is quite amusing yet sad at the same time...

:clap: For being the boards biggest moron this morning...

WV
09-12-2011, 07:34 AM
What was confusing was the fact that they could force the ball to McSmurf, but couldn't seem to get it to Bowe or Breaston on a consistent basis. I mean come on doesn't our offense have quick hitters to the outside guys? Buffalo did it all game. Our offense looked archaic and pre school.

Deberg_1990
09-12-2011, 07:35 AM
Dex will be a nice pickup in PPR leagues this year.

WhiteWhale
09-12-2011, 07:37 AM
Either should Charles then, if you are using that logic...


:banghead:

Charles and McCluster...

One of those things is not like the other.

Ace Gunner
09-12-2011, 07:39 AM
What was confusing was the fact that they could force the ball to McSmurf, but couldn't seem to get it to Bowe or Breaston on a consistent basis. I mean come on doesn't our offense have quick hitters to the outside guys? Buffalo did it all game. Our offense looked archaic and pre school.

Let's examine;

1) Casey gets the ball to Cassel quickly and efficiently.

2) Cassel holds the ball until he's clobbered.

3) Next play. Repeat 1 & 2

Chiefnj2
09-12-2011, 07:40 AM
Dex outplayed Charles yesterday.

BigRichard
09-12-2011, 07:41 AM
off with his head! And Matt C threw to the opposition - run him over with a truck!

I could get on board with this.

mikey23545
09-12-2011, 07:42 AM
I see McCluster led the team in total offense today, as well as in kick return yardage.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 07:43 AM
Charles and McCluster...

One of those things is not like the other.

Your point? Where in the OP did we even mention Charles?

WhiteWhale
09-12-2011, 07:45 AM
Your point? Where in the OP did we even mention Charles?

I responded to the post I quoted and you CLEARLY equate the two.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 07:47 AM
I responded to the post I quoted and you CLEARLY equate the two.

LOL

CLEARLY? Yeah I Clearly equate the two fumbling... OH NOES!!!! Cancel the season....

Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 07:48 AM
Dex outplayed Charles yesterday.

:hmmm:

About even if you ask me...

I would rather see Dexter get Jones touches anyway...

Chiefnj2
09-12-2011, 07:52 AM
:hmmm:

About even if you ask me...

I would rather see Dexter get Jones touches anyway...

Dex was more productive. Not necessarily Charles' fault since the game plan abandoned him running the ball in the 2nd half and the passes to him were sniffed out last week while Buffalo watched game film.

MIAdragon
09-12-2011, 07:55 AM
off with his head! And Matt C threw to the opposition - run him over with a truck!

please this, ASAP!!

Claynus
09-12-2011, 10:33 AM
Please.

McCluster got some garbage-time touches. He's not going to get those touches in a regular game.

If you think he's catching 5 balls every game you are sorely mistaken.

You'll also note that he was highly ineffective other than one play where he ran through a gaping hole.

pr_capone
09-12-2011, 10:35 AM
He shouldn't get a single touch for the rest of the season after that fumble.

You are fucking stupid.

vailpass
09-12-2011, 10:39 AM
Dex outplayed Charles yesterday.

12 fucking carries for Charles. Midget McFumble didn't outplay
Charles yesterday, your play-calling triumvirate of terrible outplayed him./disgruntled fantasy owner

Von Dumbass
09-12-2011, 10:43 AM
Tony Moeaki's loss is Dexter McCluster's gain. The Chiefs' tight end was placed on I.R. due to a torn ACL, suffered in the team's fourth preseason game. Since Moeaki's backup, Leonard Pope, is primarily a blocker, it is McCluster who will see an increase in playing time when the team wants to air it out. We hear the second-year wideout was a star in camp and that the coaching staff is excited to get him on the field more, though losing Moeaki still hurts.http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/09/10/moeakis-loss-is-mcclusters-gain

Chiefnj2
09-12-2011, 10:47 AM
If you think he's catching 5 balls every game you are sorely mistaken.



Who else is going to get the ball? Of course he's going to get the ball this year.

Claynus
09-12-2011, 11:00 AM
Who else is going to get the ball? Of course he's going to get the ball this year.

#1 receivers catch the ball 5 times a game.

Claynus
09-12-2011, 11:03 AM
(11:08) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass short right to 22-D.McCluster to KC 31 for 10 yards (21-L.McKelvin).

(10:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass short left to 22-D.McCluster to KC 36 for 6 yards (23-A.Williams).

(6:36) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass short right to 22-D.McCluster to KC 19 for -1 yards (98-D.Edwards).

(6:05) (No Huddle) 22-D.McCluster up the middle to KC 24 for 5 yards (37-G.Wilson).

(4:32) 22-D.McCluster left end pushed ob at KC 24 for 12 yards (29-D.Florence).

5 Garbage time touches, all in the fourth quarter.

I'd wager McCluster doesn't touch it 9 times in a game again all year.

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2011, 11:05 AM
5 Garbage time touches, all in the fourth quarter.

I'd wager McCluster doesn't touch it 9 times in a game again all year.

LMAO Ok...

Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 11:14 AM
ROFL

Now its garbage time touches?

ROFL

Its still touches and its still a regular season game... You cant change the rules to fit your agenda... Doesnt work that way..

Pawnmower
09-12-2011, 11:16 AM
I see McCluster led the team in total offense today, as well as in kick return yardage.

oh you mean in the game we lost 41-7


awesome

Claynus
09-12-2011, 11:17 AM
I'm not changing the rules.

I'm saying we're probably not going to get blown out every week, therefore McBuster isn't going to rack up meaningless touches in the fourth quarter.

By the way, you'll notice only one of his touches was a play worth mentioning.

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2011, 11:17 AM
ROFL

Now its garbage time touches?

ROFL

Its still touches and its still a regular season game... You cant change the rules to fit your agenda... Doesnt work that way..
Sure he can. He's an attention whore. None of this really matters to him anyway.

pr_capone
09-12-2011, 11:18 AM
oh you mean in the game we lost 41-7


awesome

Had Bowe led the team in touches, we surely would have won!

Pawnmower
09-12-2011, 11:18 AM
Had Bowe led the team in touches, we surely would have won!

You are a clueless fucking moron

Claynus
09-12-2011, 11:20 AM
Sure he can. He's an attention whore. None of this really matters to him anyway.

It matters a great deal to me.

I think McCluster is a worthless shitstain of a football player and would prefer not to look dumb.

If people want to look at a stat sheet and draw conclusions from one game, they are entitled to do that, but the reality is nine touches is going to be a statistical aberration for this guy.

pr_capone
09-12-2011, 11:21 AM
You are a clueless ****ing moron

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lny63kvZGo1qivr9no1_500.gif

vailpass
09-12-2011, 11:25 AM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lny63kvZGo1qivr9no1_500.gif

LMAO Bazinga.

Okie_Apparition
09-12-2011, 11:32 AM
You KEPT FUCKING DOUBTING DJ, HALI & BOWE
Just KEEP FUCKING DOUBTING DEXTER

Pasta Giant Meatball
09-12-2011, 11:32 AM
He shouldn't get a single touch for the rest of the season after that fumble.

Cut the whole team!!!!

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2011, 11:34 AM
You are a clueless fucking moronYou think Cassel is a good QB. You're not permitted to call anyone a moron.

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2011, 11:36 AM
It matters a great deal to me.

I think McCluster is a worthless shitstain of a football player and would prefer not to look dumb.

If people want to look at a stat sheet and draw conclusions from one game, they are entitled to do that, but the reality is nine touches is going to be a statistical aberration for this guy.Shitstain? I think you mean Cassel.

Reerun_KC
09-12-2011, 12:14 PM
It matters a great deal to me.

I think McCluster is a worthless shitstain of a football player and would prefer not to look dumb.

If people want to look at a stat sheet and draw conclusions from one game, they are entitled to do that, but the reality is nine touches is going to be a statistical aberration for this guy.

No one but yourself is drawing conclusions.. Its all about how many times he touches the football.

Thats the basis of this thread.

He is on pace for 144 at this moment...

Three7s
09-12-2011, 12:37 PM
I love seeing everyone trying to justify a POS "OW" who can't do anything other than screw up. McCluster isn't productive, he will never be productive, and he hurts this team more than he helps.

To the people saying you can't justify McCluster fumbling being "bad" because Charles fumbled, are you ****ing serious? McCluster fumbled AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME!. He pretty much gave them two opening halves to start with the ball. Charles fumbled after it was already 17-0, which is game over for me.

Keep supporting McCluster all you guys want, but he's never going to be as productive as everyone keeps daydreaming he'll be.

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2011, 01:00 PM
I love seeing everyone trying to justify a POS "OW" who can't do anything other than screw up. McCluster isn't productive, he will never be productive, and he hurts this team more than he helps.

To the people saying you can't justify McCluster fumbling being "bad" because Charles fumbled, are you ****ing serious? McCluster fumbled AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME!. He pretty much gave them two opening halves to start with the ball. Charles fumbled after it was already 17-0, which is game over for me.

Keep supporting McCluster all you guys want, but he's never going to be as productive as everyone keeps daydreaming he'll be.I bet you think Matt Cassel is a good quarterback.

Three7s
09-12-2011, 01:15 PM
I bet you think Matt Cassel is a good quarterback.
I bet you thought Steve Bono was too.

BigMeatballDave
09-12-2011, 01:18 PM
I bet you thought Steve Bono was too.

:spock: You are a fucking moron.

Three7s
09-12-2011, 01:25 PM
:spock: You are a ****ing moron.
You just thought everything I posted about McCluster should be directed to Cassel. Guess what? They both suck.

KC Tattoo
09-12-2011, 02:06 PM
Please.

McCluster got some garbage-time touches. He's not going to get those touches in a regular game.

If you think he's catching 5 balls every game you are sorely mistaken.

You'll also note that he was highly ineffective other than one play where he ran through a gaping hole.

He is still going be apart of the offensive scheme & he will be effective at times and other times not as much. He does give opportunity for us to get first downs and then some.

He fucked up with the fumble, no excuses for him on that. So did Charles no excuses for him either.

I like Charles better than McCluster but I love having both of them on this team. We need a QB that can be consistant to deliver the ball in good timing and accuracy.

-King-
09-12-2011, 03:27 PM
I bet you thought Steve Bono was too.

I bet you think this song is about you.
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Reerun_KC
09-18-2011, 12:39 PM
Time to update the thread...

Claynus
09-18-2011, 12:41 PM
McCluster will be broken before long.

http://i55.tinypic.com/24b96hg.jpg

Easy 6
09-18-2011, 12:42 PM
He hasnt looked half bad today, too bad it dont mean shit.

Smed1065
09-18-2011, 12:43 PM
He hasnt looked half bad today, too bad it dont mean shit.

Gonna be garbage touches.

Reerun_KC
09-18-2011, 12:47 PM
Touches are still touches...

Claynus
09-18-2011, 01:30 PM
Will McCluster lead the league in total touches and fumbles?

Reerun_KC
09-18-2011, 05:36 PM
Updated the Totals...

Looks like GoFail will be eating more dick... Well done buddy...

Reerun_KC
09-18-2011, 05:36 PM
Will McCluster lead the league in total touches and fumbles?


Someone will have to take up the slack for Charles...

Claynus
09-18-2011, 05:41 PM
Mr. Garbage Time with another fine week.

the Talking Can
09-18-2011, 05:43 PM
when is mccluster going to make all these plays that playmakers are supposed to make?

Claynus
09-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Career fumbles: 5
Career TDs: 2

JASONSAUTO
09-18-2011, 05:48 PM
Career fumbles: 5
Career TDs: 2

Can we see charles' numbers?

Td fumbles?
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Brianfo
09-18-2011, 05:50 PM
Career fumbles: 5
Career TDs: 2

Ouch. For a second round pick, we could have done better.

QuikSsurfer
09-18-2011, 05:50 PM
Can we see charles' numbers?

Td fumbles?
Posted via Mobile Device

18 TD 10 FUM

Claynus
09-18-2011, 05:51 PM
Can we see charles' numbers?

Td fumbles?
Posted via Mobile Device

JASONSAUTO:

Career good posts: 1
Career shitty posts: 300

JASONSAUTO
09-18-2011, 05:52 PM
18 total tds. 8 lost fumbles.
thats not too good either.

Why dont you bitch about that?
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Claynus
09-18-2011, 05:52 PM
18 total tds. 8 lost fumbles.
thats not too good either.

Why dont you bitch about that?
Posted via Mobile Device

Because your mother is a whore.

jd1020
09-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Ouch. For a second round pick, we could have done better.

He's not a feature back and hes small. He's not going to be scoring many TDs because hes not going to get the plays in the redzone. But he still makes shit happen.

JASONSAUTO
09-18-2011, 05:53 PM
JASONSAUTO:

Career good posts: 1
Career shitty posts: 300
My ratio, while not good, is STELLAR compared to yours buddy.
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Claynus
09-18-2011, 05:53 PM
He's not a feature back and hes small. He's not going to be scoring many TDs because hes not going to get the plays in the redzone. But he still makes shit happen.

4 catches
-2 yards

MAKING SHIT HAPPEN

JASONSAUTO
09-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Because your mother is a whore.

Jealous?
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the Talking Can
09-18-2011, 05:53 PM
18 total tds. 8 lost fumbles.
thats not too good either.

Why dont you bitch about that?
Posted via Mobile Device

because charles is really really really good and mccluster isn't?


a wild guess

jd1020
09-18-2011, 05:54 PM
4 catches
-2 yards

MAKING SHIT HAPPEN

Like I said earlier. Can't blame him for Cassel throwing him the ball behind the line with all but 2 Lions directly infront of him.

10.5 YPC Week 1
6.4 YPC Week 2

JASONSAUTO
09-18-2011, 05:55 PM
And why when asked a relevant question do you feel the need to personally attack? You live a sad life
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Chocolate Hog
09-18-2011, 05:56 PM
GoChiefs has gone full troll mode. Awesome.

JASONSAUTO
09-18-2011, 05:56 PM
because charles is really really really good and mccluster isn't?


a wild guess

Was charles that good his first year? Beginning of his second? Come on, its personal for some of you guys
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Chocolate Hog
09-18-2011, 05:57 PM
Charles was better than McCluster his first year yes. Charles has much more speed.

the Talking Can
09-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Was charles that good his first year? Beginning of his second? Come on, its personal for some of you guys
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i have no idea how people can even compare charles and mccluster....


but i guess i'm too personally involved to see mccluster's playmaking-ness

jd1020
09-18-2011, 06:00 PM
Was charles that good his first year? Beginning of his second? Come on, its personal for some of you guys
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Everyone is too pissed off at Pioli for not picking their favorite 2nd round player that they ignore everything positive about McCluster and amplify every negative.

JASONSAUTO
09-18-2011, 06:00 PM
i have no idea how people can even compare charles and mccluster....


but i guess i'm too personally involved to see mccluster's playmaking-ness

Who has compared them?

Not me. Just asking clay why he bashes so hard on dex , it's personal, and gives jamaal a pass.
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the Talking Can
09-18-2011, 06:04 PM
Who has compared them?

Not me. Just asking clay why he bashes so hard on dex , it's personal, and gives jamaal a pass.
Posted via Mobile Device


charles "gets a pass" for the obvious reason that he's one of the best rbs in the league....he is/was our offense


mccluster is a position-less midget dubbed "playmaker" for whom some people would like to see start "making plays"...

Chocolate Hog
09-18-2011, 06:05 PM
What did you propose we do about Charles fumbling Jason? Bench him? Dude barely got any carries as it was.

jd1020
09-18-2011, 06:06 PM
charles "gets a pass" for the obvious reason that he's one of the best rbs in the league....he is/was our offense


mccluster is a position-less midget dubbed "playmaker" for whom some people would like to see start "making plays"...

What's your definition of making plays? Is it 60 yards on every catch/carry? I'm perfectly fine with his 6+ yard runs and the occasional 20+.

JASONSAUTO
09-19-2011, 06:45 AM
What did you propose we do about Charles fumbling Jason? Bench him? Dude barely got any carries as it was.

the same thing we do about dex, bitch. i guess.


but lets not sit here and act as though it wasnt an issue. it was and is, hell he fumbled TWICE in one game in the PS. fumbled at the WORST time against baltimore in the playoffs.

it was an issue.

dex has made plays. 5+ yards a carry

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:38 PM
Dex needs an update.

14 touches:

5 receptions for 17 yards
9 rushes for 45 yards

Claynus
09-25-2011, 07:39 PM
5 receptions for 17 yards. :LOL:

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:41 PM
5 receptions for 17 yards. :LOL:

Ya man. I'm not sure why his receiving yards are so low. He's always getting the ball 20+ yards down field.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2011, 07:41 PM
Dex needs an update.

14 touches:

5 receptions for 17 yards
9 rushes for 45 yards

Fourteen touches for 62 yards is pretty blah, especially when five of those are receptions.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2011, 07:42 PM
Ya man. I'm not sure why his receiving yards are so low. He's always getting the ball 20+ yards down field.

Most running backs average 7-9 yards/reception.

BossChief
09-25-2011, 07:42 PM
Cmon GC

whats his ranking on PFF as a running back coming into this game?

Chiefs Pantalones
09-25-2011, 07:43 PM
There should be a countdown to him breaking. Dude is too small to be taking the punishment he's receiving.

pr_capone
09-25-2011, 07:43 PM
Most running backs average 7-9 yards/reception.

Most RB don't have Matt Cassel throwing to them.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 07:44 PM
Here's what was telling about McCluster today:

He had ZERO touches in the last 14 minutes of the game.

Why? Because they are scared to death of him fumbling.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2011, 07:44 PM
Most RB don't have Matt Cassel throwing to them.

Jamal Charles had 10.4 last year with Matt Cassel throwing to him.

BossChief
09-25-2011, 07:45 PM
Most running backs average 7-9 yards/reception.

harder to do when your offense features captain checkdown and teams are sitting on your line waiting for those passes.

I contend that his low average is directly reflectant of Matt Cassels ability to severely limit this offense.

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:45 PM
Most running backs average 7-9 yards/reception.

I'd like to see a comparison between "most" RB's and McCluster based on where they actually receive the ball. McCluster isn't getting screens. He's all alone vs multiple defenders just about every time.

Warrior5
09-25-2011, 07:45 PM
There should be a countdown to him breaking. Dude is too small to be taking the punishment he's receiving.

This is what I thought the OP was about, actually.

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:46 PM
Everyone is too pissed off at Pioli for not picking their favorite 2nd round player that they ignore everything positive about McCluster and amplify every negative.

He will never be Charles but DMC is starting to adjust a bit.

Charles wasn't that good until he had time to play for a while.

Again DMC will never be Charles. Maybe a semi Sproles. I think he is trying too hard right now and pushing it rather than the game coming to him.

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:48 PM
This is what I thought the OP was about, actually.

I don't think size is an injury concern as much as it's more of a get hit and go down issue. He has to make dudes miss or he goes down.

Charles can bounce off guys.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 07:48 PM
Basically the only reason McCluster gains yardage is because we give him the ball on draw plays and he runs through giant holes.

He does not make guys miss, he does not make big plays, he is not a threat.

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:50 PM
Basically the only reason McCluster gains yardage is because we give him the ball on draw plays and he runs through giant holes.

He does not make guys miss, he does not make big plays, he is not a threat.

McCluster gains yards because he's fast, dumbass.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 07:50 PM
McCluster gains yards because he's fast, dumbass.

Gee, I would hope he could bring something to the table.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2011, 07:50 PM
I'd like to see a comparison between "most" RB's and McCluster based on where they actually receive the ball. McCluster isn't getting screens. He's all alone vs multiple defenders just about every time.

I can guarantee you that Matt Forte isn't running skinny posts when putting up 10.4 YPC.

He's just not all that effective in the flats, and he doesn't really bounce off of hits that well.

Ironically, he actually works best off tackle. Now, that's not between the tackles, as on any interior run he's garbage, but on isolated draw plays where he can make a single cut and go off of Albert or Richardson, he has some utility.

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:52 PM
I can guarantee you that Matt Forte isn't running skinny posts when putting up 10.4 YPC.

He's just not all that effective in the flats, and he doesn't really bounce off of hits that well.

Ironically, he actually works best off tackle. Now, that's not between the tackles, as on any interior run he's garbage, but on isolated draw plays where he can make a single cut and go off of Albert or Richardson, he has some utility.

This is true and unfortunately he was only supposed to be a utility player. Not a feature back.

Messier
09-25-2011, 07:53 PM
Basically the only reason McCluster gains yardage is because we give him the ball on draw plays and he runs through giant holes.

He does not make guys miss, he does not make big plays, he is not a threat.


Can't wait for your McCluster highlight vid at the end of the season.

tk13
09-25-2011, 07:53 PM
The thing is about McCluster is we know the Eagles wanted him. And if he ended up there, he'd probably be making big plays and we'd be saying "Why don't we have a player like that?" That's how I feel every time I watch him play.

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:56 PM
McCluster is better than Jones. I would rather see DMC and McClain than any Jones.

What's McCluster averaging 7ypc now? I know that won't last but shit. Better than Jones.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 07:56 PM
Can't wait for your McCluster highlight vid at the end of the season.

He has 0 highlight plays through three games.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 07:57 PM
McCluster is better than Jones. I would rather see DMC and McClain than any Jones.

What's McCluster averaging 7ypc now? I know that won't last but shit. Better than Jones.

It's not hard to average 7 YPC when you get the ball on draws in passing situations and reverses.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 07:58 PM
At this point McCluster's ceiling is Derrick Blaylock, with the exception that he'll never score 4 TDs in a game.

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 07:58 PM
It's not hard to average 7 YPC when you get the ball on draws in passing situations and reverses.

I don't give a shit. Run McClain enough to keep em honest and run draws and reverses to McCluster. Just keep Jones and Battle off the field.

jd1020
09-25-2011, 07:58 PM
It's not hard to average 7 YPC when you get the ball on draws in passing situations and reverses.

Is that why we see Jones running for 1-2 yards on 3rd and 6?

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2011, 08:03 PM
You have to hope that McCluster's ceiling is Darren Sproles.

BossChief
09-25-2011, 08:03 PM
Here's what was telling about McCluster today:

He had ZERO touches in the last 14 minutes of the game.

Why? Because they are scared to death of him fumbling.
you are probably right on that.

They do have it isolate to the last 6" before he hits the ground as the time when he fumbles and he has worked specifically on that. They think its a technique issue.

I think the bigger reason they didnt want to give him the ball down the stretch is because they are trying to limit his workload to 10-12 touches per game and recognize his size as a reason that has to be closely monitored.

Who knows though :shrug:
It's not hard to average 7 YPC when you get the ball on draws in passing situations and reverses.

then the same can be said about Charles last year, too.

Through 3 games, him averaging such a high number is impressive.

You not wanting to post his ranking on PFF as a running back tells me that he is probably ranked in the top 5...

BossChief
09-25-2011, 08:05 PM
You have to hope that McCluster's ceiling is Darren Sproles.That is easily the most valid comparison of a ceiling.

If we get Luck, a guy like Darren Sproles to go with the rest of the offensive weapons we have can be quite lethal.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 08:06 PM
y
then the same can be said about Charles last year, too.


LMAO

No it can't, you idiot. That's literally 90 percent of McCluster's carries - draws and reverses.

Not comparable to Charles whatsoever.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 08:07 PM
You have to hope that McCluster's ceiling is Darren Sproles.

It's not. He's not a good returner and he's not good at making people miss.

Messier
09-25-2011, 08:12 PM
At this point McCluster's ceiling is Derrick Blaylock, with the exception that he'll never score 4 TDs in a game.

I like McCluster. Are you mad because they used a 2nd round pick on him? I think he went a bit early, but I think he was going in the 2nd round to somebody. I think sometime this season he'll have a break out game, I know it's hard when Cassel is the QB, but I think he's quick and surprisingly tough.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 08:13 PM
Are you mad because they used a 2nd round pick on him? .

NO, NOT AT ALL

NJChiefsFan
09-25-2011, 08:16 PM
Here's what was telling about McCluster today:

He had ZERO touches in the last 14 minutes of the game.

Why? Because they are scared to death of him fumbling.

The most important play of the game was meant for him.

I do agree that it wasn't an accident Jones got the 3rd down draw to secure the FG, as stupid as that was.

I don't think McCluster can be Sproles, but I do think you are going to far to the extreme in how good he can be. He has had bad moments, but I think he can be a decent compliment to our offense when everyone is healthy.

Doesn't have to be either "he is awesome" or "he sucks".

BossChief
09-25-2011, 08:17 PM
LMAO

No it can't, you idiot. That's literally 90 percent of McCluster's carries - draws and reverses.

Not comparable to Charles whatsoever.

I bet at least 15% of Charles' carries last year were draws on third and long and he converted a shit ton of them.

I cant find a link showing exact numbers, but out of a single back formation he averaged 7.2 yards per carry last year and out of every other formation combined he only averaged 4.35
(http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11307/year/2010/jamaal-charles)
Obviously Im not gonna say more than 20% of those runs were draws, but I bet a lot of them were and that he averaged about 10 on them and that it effected his overall average quite a bit.

Claynus
09-25-2011, 08:17 PM
The most important play of the game was meant for him.

I do agree that it wasn't an accident Jones got the 3rd down draw to secure the FG, as stupid as that was.

I don't think McCluster can be Sproles, but I do think you are going to far to the extreme in how good he can be. He has had bad moments, but I think he can be a decent compliment to our offense when everyone is healthy.

Doesn't have to be either "he is awesome" or "he sucks".

Players like him are a dime a dozen.

And if he keeps fumbling, yes, he sucks.

Marcellus
09-25-2011, 08:19 PM
Players like him are a dime a dozen.

And if he keeps fumbling, yes, he sucks.

Name 5. If they are a dime a dozen as you say.

NJChiefsFan
09-25-2011, 08:20 PM
Players like him are a dime a dozen.

And if he keeps fumbling, yes, he sucks.

If he does then you are right. People can fix that. I am not saying I would keep him over getting a 2nd round pick back, but I do think in time he can become a decent player for us. Dime a dozen is too strong IMO, especially this early.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-25-2011, 08:21 PM
It's not. He's not a good returner and he's not good at making people miss.

I'm not saying it is his ceiling, I'm saying that's what you have to hold out hope he can be.

I think Pioli thought of him as Sproles. I think of him as a homeless man's Dave Meggett.

Reerun_KC
09-26-2011, 07:38 AM
GoChiefs...

If you need bullets for a gun, I would be more than happy to supply them....

Rausch
09-26-2011, 07:47 AM
Players like him are a dime a dozen.

And if he keeps fumbling, yes, he sucks.

Charles had some fumble problems early on as well.

I think if we get McCluster about 15-18 total touches a game and have TJ and McClain split the carries that were all TJ last year we can still have a productive - perhaps even top 15 - running game...

dannybcaitlyn
09-26-2011, 07:57 AM
The guy has been one of the bright spots here recently. I guess we will see what we have in him since he is at least getting more touches. Without him we would have the slowest group of running backs in the league.

Ugly Duck
09-26-2011, 08:10 AM
McCluster leads the league in yards per attempt:

#1 McCluster 6.6
#2 Fred Jackson, McFadden, Vick 6.4
#9 Adrian Petersen 5.1
#16 Ryan Matthews 4.6
#39 Willis McGahee 2.9

Rausch
09-26-2011, 08:14 AM
The guy has been one of the bright spots here recently. I guess we will see what we have in him since he is at least getting more touches. Without him we would have the slowest group of running backs in the league.

I think there's a lot of butt-hurt going on around here because he wasn't this super-slot/Wes Welker the front office made him sound like.

He was a smaller, speedy, complimentary HB with great hands.

He should have stayed that from day 1.

This franchise keeps trying to out think themselves...

Claynus
09-26-2011, 08:15 AM
McCluster leads the league in yards per attempt:

#1 McCluster 6.6
#2 Fred Jackson, McFadden, Vick 6.4
#9 Adrian Petersen 5.1
#16 Ryan Matthews 4.6
#39 Willis McGahee 2.9

No one gives a shit. Any idiot with a little bit of speed can lead the league in YPA when all you do is run draw plays on passing downs.

mesmith31
09-26-2011, 08:19 AM
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Reerun_KC
09-26-2011, 08:40 AM
No one gives a shit. Any idiot with a little bit of speed can lead the league in YPA when all you do is run draw plays on passing downs.


:deevee:

and he is still going to out produce you on the NFL level..

spin it how you want... But unless he gets hurts and misses time.. He is going to planet another egg on your little gaby face....

Short Leash Hootie
09-26-2011, 08:57 AM
Heres what I know:

Last year...I thought sproles looked slow and terrible. Like he was just done...

This year...the way the saints utilize him...he looks amazing and is so valuable...

I bet Dex would average 10 YPR in new orleans...the fact people are giving him shit for his lack of gains on receptions in this offense is hysterical.

Short Leash Hootie
09-26-2011, 09:02 AM
This offense is a god damn mess...I don't care if it is 3rd and 35...anyone who does anything positive (bowe, breaston, mccluster) it's cheer worthy!!! Yesterday was the perfect game. We embarrassed ourselves while not embarrassing ourselves, flirted with some history and then flamed out in dramatic fashion while continuing to suck for Luck! It was thrilling.

Reerun_KC
09-26-2011, 09:07 AM
This offense is a god damn mess...I don't care if it is 3rd and 35...anyone who does anything positive (bowe, breaston, mccluster) it's cheer worthy!!! Yesterday was the perfect game. We embarrassed ourselves while not embarrassing ourselves, flirted with some history and then flamed out in dramatic fashion while continuing to suck for Luck! It was thrilling.

Well anytime we do anything great.. Our shit fucking OL gets a penalty...

Claynus
10-02-2011, 02:13 PM
Sucked a huge bag of AIDS today.

mikey23545
10-02-2011, 03:37 PM
Sucked a huge bag of AIDS today.

So what else have you done? That couldn't have taken all day...

Rausch
10-02-2011, 03:42 PM
This offense is a god damn mess...I don't care if it is 3rd and 35...anyone who does anything positive (bowe, breaston, mccluster) it's cheer worthy!!! Yesterday was the perfect game. We embarrassed ourselves while not embarrassing ourselves, flirted with some history and then flamed out in dramatic fashion while continuing to suck for Luck! It was thrilling.

...

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jd1020
10-02-2011, 03:46 PM
His first game under 5ypc. The Vikings played the run well today and the Chiefs did absolutely nothing to try and shake it up a bit. How many times did they put McCluster in motion in shotgun formation to line up right next to Cassel? "Hey! Minnesota! We are running a draw play!"

KC Tattoo
10-02-2011, 03:57 PM
He did his job & help block. He is well worth playing his position at RB. I can imagine how dynamic our running game & offense would be playing if JC wearn't out for this season. That would have been a hell of a duo in the back field. Obviously he posses a threat each time he gets the ball to make a big play & defenses are really keying on him.

Rausch
10-02-2011, 03:58 PM
His first game under 5ypc. The Vikings played the run well today and the Chiefs did absolutely nothing to try and shake it up a bit. How many times did they put McCluster in motion in shotgun formation to line up right next to Cassel? "Hey! Minnesota! We are running a draw play!"

Honestly, the sad thing is how many times it did work...

Claynus
10-02-2011, 08:26 PM
This nugget has 17 catches for 52 yards....that might be the most pathetic receiving line ever.

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2011, 08:30 PM
This nugget has 17 catches for 52 yards....that might be the most pathetic receiving line ever.

Not sure how that is his fault in our predictable, awful, terrible offense.

When you throw the ball to him 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage and the defense has no respect for our deep passing game...what the fuck else do you expect?

Your criticism of McCluster is ridiculous and serves no purpose...other than a defense mechanism to you being wrong about his durability and usage in the offense.

Claynus
10-02-2011, 08:34 PM
He has like one play over 20 yards all year....not even close to scoring....he is a huge bust of a pick who is only getting touches because Charles is on the sideline.

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2011, 08:37 PM
He has like one play over 20 yards all year....not even close to scoring....he is a huge bust of a pick who is only getting touches because Charles is on the sideline.

blah blah blah blah blah

put him on New Orleans and he'd be doing what Darren Sproles is doing right now...he's in a terrible offense for his given skillset (but so is every other skill player so whatever)

So keep playing your little game...whatever keeps you going through this shit season

jd1020
10-02-2011, 08:38 PM
He has like one play over 20 yards all year....not even close to scoring....he is a huge bust of a pick who is only getting touches because Charles is on the sideline.

He's averaging 6.6ypc and all you can bring up are his receiving yards like he gets to choose where he receives the ball and how many people are already prepared for the pass to be dumped off.

lewdog
10-02-2011, 08:54 PM
he is a huge bust of a pick .

A guy in his 2nd year (23yrs old), who missed games in his 1st year due to injuries, currently plays in one of the most predictable offensive schemes in the league is a bust because he hasn't developed yet?

Strong lack of knowledge.

Claynus
10-02-2011, 09:08 PM
Guys like him don't develop, they are either playmakers or they are not.

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2011, 09:12 PM
Guys like him don't develop, they are either playmakers or they are not.

McCluster is on the wrong team for his skillset...our offense is awful. Judging anyone other than Cassel is a joke. Cassel is terrible, our coordinator is terrible, our gameplans are terrible...our backs have no chance...

Barry Sanders couldn't do anything with the passes McCluster is getting 5 yards in the backfield...

you're just in defense mode because you are going to lose your McCluster bet...we get it

I bet he'd be a flat out stud in Philly or New Orleans...or Houston...or any place with an offense that would allow him to get free in some freaking space.

we have nothing

we have Dwayne Bowe but our QB can't really get him the ball that often so we run the same draw play and the same shit ass checkdown pass...and we can't run a screen for shit...

our offense is shit...McCluster seems to take plenty of hits without injury, though...care to address that?

Claynus
10-02-2011, 09:18 PM
Based on today I won't lose it. They'd rather give the ball to Jackie Battle.

jd1020
10-02-2011, 09:19 PM
Based on today I won't lose it. They'd rather give the ball to Jackie Battle.

Thats why Battle got less touches right? Battle isn't even close to McCluster. If they are giving it to Battle it's because Jones keeps getting 1-2 yards when they ask him to smash it up the middle.

Claynus
10-02-2011, 09:21 PM
Whatever guys. He can't play regular RB and his receiving is garbage.

Sounds like a winner.

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2011, 09:28 PM
Whatever guys. He can't play regular RB and his receiving is garbage.

Sounds like a winner.

his receiving is garbage?

He doesn't even run real routes! But when he does, he has shown unbelievable hands for a RB...

he has NO chance to shine in this offense

None.

Just like everyone else. The creativity is gone...this offense is horrendous and Dexter McCluster shouldn't be judged because of it...

You, however, implied he couldn't take more than 2 hits per week without breaking...that seems to be false.

Extra Point
10-02-2011, 09:28 PM
Thats why Battle got less touches right? Battle isn't even close to McCluster. If they are giving it to Battle it's because Jones keeps getting 1-2 yards when they ask him to smash it up the middle.

Funny, Battle is the type of back that complements a FB, and vice versa, with McClain. You have to look at that, due to attrition.

Claynus
10-02-2011, 09:30 PM
his receiving is garbage?

He doesn't even run real routes! But when he does, he has shown unbelievable hands for a RB...

he has NO chance to shine in this offense

None.

Just like everyone else. The creativity is gone...this offense is horrendous and Dexter McCluster shouldn't be judged because of it...

You, however, implied he couldn't take more than 2 hits per week without breaking...that seems to be false.

He's garbage with the ball in his hands in space. He has definitely had plays where he has been one on one with guys and just goes down easy. Highly overrated because people fell in love with his college tapes.

And he is going to break.

Would be an OK value if he was a 4th or 5th rounder.

jd1020
10-02-2011, 09:31 PM
Funny, Battle is the type of back that complements a FB, and vice versa, with McClain. You have to look at that, due to attrition.

So is Jones. There are all smash mouth runners.

DBOSHO
10-02-2011, 09:31 PM
The one mccluster carry I saw today was one where he was immediately met in the backfield by a linebacker and couldntbreak it, so I guess he sucks....

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2011, 09:31 PM
He's garbage with the ball in his hands in space. He has definitely had plays where he has been one on one with guys and just goes down easy. Highly overrated because people fell in love with his college tapes.

And he is going to break.

Would be an OK value if he was a 4th or 5th rounder.

So you don't think he'd excel in the role Darren Sproles currently occupies in New Orleans?

Claynus
10-02-2011, 09:37 PM
So you don't think he'd excel in the role Darren Sproles currently occupies in New Orleans?

No. He has never shown an ability to be an effective player who can make guys miss in the open field. He's good at dancing around and swishing his dreadlocks wildly and turning two-yard passes into 4-yard gains though.

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2011, 09:41 PM
even though Sproles looked like shit in Turner's shit offense that tried making him a between the tackles runner?!?

Suddenly he goes to a Sean Payton offense and now he's *arguably* their best player on offense (and most important) other than Drew Brees...

that doesn't say something to you?

Sproles was AWFUL last year.

Claynus
10-02-2011, 09:46 PM
Are you an idiot Hootie?

Sproles had almost 900 yards from scrimmage and 7 TD under Turner one year.

Dexter is never going to come close to that...ever...

Short Leash Hootie
10-02-2011, 09:53 PM
he had 840 and averaged 3.7 YPC...he wasn't used correctly...and that was 2 years ago with LT still on the team...

last year he was atrocious on that team in that role...(and he was in a very, very friendly offense, unlike Dexter)

look at him in a Sean Payton offense this year...

he's averaging like 9 YPC on 15 carries and about 9 YPR on 26 receptions...

they use him perfectly for his skillset in a potent offense where he was the PERFECT signing...

Dexter could easily be doing that in New Orleans...no doubt about it

but you don't have the ability to think outside the box...you, Mr. Ego (and I don't know why it's a message board) dubbed McCluster as fail before the season and won't even recognize the fact he has no chance to succeed in this offense this year...literally impossible...and he's doing far better than just about anyone on the team...picks up positive yards on most carries and doesn't drop the ball...doesn't get a lot to work with...but he's tough and takes hits and gets back up every time...

you said he'd break...

when is that going to happen? You can't just keep saying "just wait"...I'm waiting...

You've been dead wrong so far and now you're just using his shitty YPR as a defense mechanism...no one would gain positive yards with the passes he gets...most of the time he's lucky to get back to the LOS...

you're the idiot on this one buddy

DBOSHO
10-02-2011, 09:56 PM
Dexter gets upp immediately everytime he's hit. And its usually hard. So clearly hes a fragile player

Reerun_KC
10-03-2011, 07:31 AM
Dexter is still on pace to flame GoFraud on the touches...


If he touches the ball at least 6 times a game for the rest of the season... Its over for GoBoy...

Claynus
10-03-2011, 04:47 PM
Dexter is still on pace to flame GoFraud on the touches...


If he touches the ball at least 6 times a game for the rest of the season... Its over for GoBoy...

Yeah, there goes my sig! :rolleyes:

FYI, he has to crack 80 carries for me to lose my bet.

jd1020
10-03-2011, 04:50 PM
Yeah, there goes my sig! :rolleyes:

FYI, he has to crack 80 carries for me to lose my bet.

So you think he'll average less than 5 carries a game throughout the season?

Not including injuries, thats probably one of the worst bets I've ever seen. Even with Charles healthy he probably averages that.

Claynus
10-03-2011, 05:02 PM
So you think he'll average less than 5 carries a game throughout the season?

Not including injuries, thats probably one of the worst bets I've ever seen. Even with Charles healthy he probably averages that.

If Charles was healthy, there was no way McCluster was going to get the ball that much this year.

Pawnmower
10-03-2011, 05:32 PM
If Charles was healthy, there was no way McCluster was going to get the ball that much this year.

I don't find myself agreeing with Claythan very often, but I have to take his side on this one....

Deberg_1990
10-03-2011, 05:59 PM
Heh, Claythan, can u gif up that little spin move that he.does that never does anything? Thanks!
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OnTheWarpath58
10-03-2011, 06:03 PM
If Charles was healthy, there was no way McCluster was going to get the ball that much this year.

This. You lost this bet the second JC's ACL snapped.

Claynus
10-09-2011, 07:00 PM
18 yards on 5 touches today.

Impressive player.

jd1020
10-09-2011, 07:02 PM
Pretty much removed him from the game after his first couple plays. Didn't look like Haley wanted to play the finesse game today.

Reerun_KC
10-09-2011, 07:05 PM
Haven't had a chance to update this. On the mobile phone. Out of pocket due to a family emergency. Will update when I get back in office.

Reerun_KC
10-09-2011, 07:06 PM
Regardless of the results gofraud. Its how many touches he gets. Dumbass

Claynus
10-09-2011, 07:09 PM
With Battle Jack taking his carries, I feel better about my chances.

jd1020
10-09-2011, 07:12 PM
With Battle Jack taking his carries, I feel better about my chances.

He still got enough touches in todays game that he would need throughout the season to win the bet, on top of all the excess touches he got in the first 4 games. Not looking too good unless he sprains his ankle again.

Claynus
10-09-2011, 07:13 PM
He didn't, actually.

If he gets 4 carries a week from here on out, I win.

Pawnmower
10-09-2011, 07:15 PM
My money is on Wendell

Claynus
10-09-2011, 07:16 PM
My money is on Wendell

Always bet on hack

Reerun_KC
10-11-2011, 07:34 AM
Upated today..

Still has to touch the ball 6 times a game to come in at the minimum...

Still a long season ahead of us. 11 more games...

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:09 PM
10 mostly ineffective carries today, bringing his season total to 52.

Praying for an injury.

NJChiefsFan
10-23-2011, 10:17 PM
10 mostly ineffective carries today, bringing his season total to 52.

Praying for an injury.

You act like he has the effectiveness of Jones. He hasn't been a star by any means, or consistant. That being said he has made some plays and I don't watch him and see total bust. Why does it always have to be he sucks or he is aweseome. Great teams have average players on them, especially when they are role players.

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:20 PM
You act like he has the effectiveness of Jones. He hasn't been a star by any means, or consistant. That being said he has made some plays and I don't watch him and see total bust. Why does it always have to be he sucks or he is aweseome. Great teams have average players on them, especially when they are role players.

He is not close to average.

He touched the ball 11 times today and did something noteworthy with it one time.

He no longer contributes as a receiver or a returner.

He is a worthless, dime-a-dozen piece of shit we could find on the street.

O.city
10-23-2011, 10:21 PM
He's effective getting about 10 touches a game if we can get him into space. We need to be creative with him and not be so damn predictable.

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:22 PM
He's effective getting about 10 touches a game if we can get him into space. We need to be creative with him and not be so damn predictable.

This is not true. He is not effective in space.

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:23 PM
This is not true. He is not effective in space.

when has he had space this year?

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:25 PM
when has he had space this year?

He has been one on one with defenders and failed to do anything.

In fact he has a history of this going back to last season before his injury.

He is not a good player, he is not a threat, he is a small guy who is not really good at anything in this league.

NJChiefsFan
10-23-2011, 10:25 PM
This is not true. He is not effective in space.

I do agree he should do more in space. I just don't see the need to get rid of him when he is on a rookie contract and is still young and can improve. I don't have an issue with you saying he hasn't been good, but writing him off is what I have an issue with. He can still help our offense. I think you just put a line in the sand this offseason and you don't want to look at the idea that he may be a decent part of the offense, even if he never is a bell cow of that offense.

O.city
10-23-2011, 10:26 PM
This is not true. He is not effective in space.

Come on Gif, he is.

I think he would be alot more effective with a healthy Charles. Again I will agree with you that 10 snaps is all he is good for. But there were times today when it didn't matter what he did there was a gang there to tackle him.

They need to just tinker with him and get him the ball in space. Be creative like that jet sweep today or catches out of the backfield.


But yes Clay, at this point he is what he is. If used properly he could be of use tho.

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:26 PM
I just don't see the need to get rid of him when he is on a rookie contract and is still young and can improve.

He is not going to improve his talent level.

That is why he sucks.

NJChiefsFan
10-23-2011, 10:28 PM
He is not going to improve his talent level.

That is why he sucks.

Its his second year. You may be right on the long run, but you can't possibly know that. Plenty of people look bad their first few years before they find their groove. There is no reason to get rid of him right now.

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:29 PM
Its his second year. You may be right on the long run, but you can't possibly know that. Plenty of people look bad their first few years before they find their groove. There is no reason to get rid of him right now.

Name a scatback or little guy who sucked his first two years and went on to be good.

Name one.

One.

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:31 PM
ok!

Darren Sproles

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8544/darren-sproles

NJChiefsFan
10-23-2011, 10:33 PM
ok!

Darren Sproles

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8544/darren-sproles

That and its not really a position that has a lot of history compared to others. The other issue is, to me, becoming a good player is not isolated on certain positions. Every position holds the ability to improve over time.

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:34 PM
Fail, Hootie.

Darren Sproles was an excellent return man his rookie season.

Three7s
10-23-2011, 10:37 PM
The funny thing is that McCluster is only in for a handful of plays on offense. That makes it easy for a defense to key in on him when he actually is in, since that's when he usually gets the ball. McCluster just isn't good enough to be a threat anywhere. Maybe if he gained 50 pounds.......

TrebMaxx
10-23-2011, 10:41 PM
I would use McCluster primarily as a punt and KO returner. Especially now since we know that Arenas can play out of the backfield. ;)

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:41 PM
Fail, Hootie.

Darren Sproles was an excellent return man his rookie season.

he was?

where did you cherry pick that from?

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:41 PM
he was?

where did you cherry pick that from?

His rookie statistics.

When he showed the ability to return kicks.

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:43 PM
You will also note, Hootie, that when Sproles first started playing regularly on offense, he immediately contributed meaningfully as a receiver in 2008.

We have been force feeding McCluster and he can't do jack with the ball in his hands.

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:43 PM
His rookie statistics.

When he showed the ability to return kicks.

nah...he had 0 TD's...

and averaged 24.25 YPR

McCluster had a punt return for a TD his 1st year...

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:44 PM
You will also note, Hootie, that when Sproles first started playing regularly on offense, he immediately contributed meaningfully as a receiver in 2008.

We have been force feeding McCluster and he can't do jack with the ball in his hands.

this team couldn't throw a screen pass to a in prime Marshall Faulk

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:45 PM
nah...he had 0 TD's...

and averaged 24.25 YPR

McCluster had a punt return for a TD his 1st year...

Yeah, and now he doesn't even return kicks, because he hasn't done shit else as a returner.

Sproles was a good kick returner his rookie year. Then when he started touching the ball regularly on offense he made even more plays (2008).

This isn't hard to see but you like that little midget pipsqueak bust supreme so you want to argue...

NJChiefsFan
10-23-2011, 10:45 PM
You will also note, Hootie, that when Sproles first started playing regularly on offense, he immediately contributed meaningfully as a receiver in 2008.

We have been force feeding McCluster and he can't do jack with the ball in his hands.

I agree he hasn't lived up to expectations and that we have really tried to get him going and it hasn't worked that well. I just disagree that its time to pull the rip cord. Especially with Charles out for the season and Jones being terrible.

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:45 PM
mccluster would be sproles (or comparable) if he were in the Saints offense

this offense isn't mccluster friendly...plain and simple

can't judge a guy who doesn't fit in

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:46 PM
I agree he hasn't lived up to expectations and that we have really tried to get him going and it hasn't worked that well. I just disagree that its time to pull the rip cord. Especially with Charles out for the season and Jones being terrible.

McCluster won't be on this roster next season. We need a backup RB with quickness who isn't 170 lbs and we will find one.

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:47 PM
McCluster won't be on this roster next season.

ROFL

what can we bet?

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:48 PM
ROFL

what can we bet?

usernames

NJChiefsFan
10-23-2011, 10:48 PM
McCluster won't be on this roster next season. We need a backup RB with quickness who isn't 170 lbs and we will find one.

Isn't his name Charles? If Battle keeps getting better, I am fine with Charles/Battle/McCluster. We have a ton of other holes to fill before 3rd RB.

Rausch
10-23-2011, 10:49 PM
ROFL

what can we bet?

Take that bet...

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:49 PM
usernames

sure anything...continue to add on to the bet at will for the rest of the season and I'll sign off on anything...

usernames, money, clothing, daiquiris...I don't care

I'm not even arguing performance here...there is no way in hell McCluster isn't on the 53 next year

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:50 PM
Isn't his name Charles? If Battle keeps getting better, I am fine with Charles/Battle/McCluster. We have a ton of other holes to fill before 3rd RB.

McCluster is a terrible RB.

We need a backup RB with quickness who can be a decent replacement for Charles. Battle is not enough and is getting older.

Someone like Mewelde Moore or Willis McGahee.

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:51 PM
you think Battle is getting older but you want Moore or McGahee?

god damn dude, you're dumb

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:52 PM
how about we just draft one of the 25 RB's that are better than any retreads in any given NFL draft in the 4th or 5th round next year?

The RB position (as evidenced by Battle) is a dime a dozen position...there are some greats, but after the greats it's all about the blocking...or not having concrete feet like Thomas Jones

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:52 PM
you think Battle is getting older but you want Moore or McGahee?

god damn dude, you're dumb

I said someone "like" them.

Claynus
10-23-2011, 10:53 PM
how about we just draft one of the 25 RB's that are better than any retreads in any given NFL draft in the 4th or 5th round next year?


That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 10:53 PM
I'm all for getting a good FB and getting rid of Jones and McClain and drafting the best RB available after the 3rd round

Rausch
10-23-2011, 10:57 PM
McCluster is a terrible RB.

We need a backup RB with quickness who can be a decent replacement for Charles. Battle is not enough and is getting older.

Someone like Mewelde Moore or Willis McGahee.

...

http://bowlphilosophy.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/never_go_full_retard1.jpg?w=410&h=272

salame
10-23-2011, 11:03 PM
trent richardson in round one

Short Leash Hootie
10-23-2011, 11:05 PM
I would pretty much never, under any circumstance, take a RB before pick twenty....say three?

23

the Talking Can
10-24-2011, 06:40 AM
mccluster would be sproles (or comparable) if he were in the Saints offense

this offense isn't mccluster friendly...plain and simple

can't judge a guy who doesn't fit in


hilarious

from Welker to Sproles...

Reerun_KC
10-24-2011, 07:26 AM
Well he is still on pace to shatter GoFraud predictions.

-King-
10-24-2011, 07:29 AM
hilarious

from Welker to Sproles...

Welker was basically McCluster when he was with the Dolphins so what Hootie is saying could be right. He may not be a good fit here, but be a great fit elsewhere.
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the Talking Can
10-24-2011, 07:33 AM
Welker was basically McCluster when he was with the Dolphins so what Hootie is saying could be right. He may not be a good fit here, but be a great fit elsewhere.
Posted via Mobile Device

do they have positions other than WR and RB 'elsewhere'?

because those are the positions he is not a good fit for....

Claynus
10-24-2011, 07:36 AM
Welker was basically McCluster when he was with the Dolphins so what Hootie is saying could be right. He may not be a good fit here, but be a great fit elsewhere.
Posted via Mobile Device

Wes Welker was a good player almost immediately when he started receiving regular playing time.

Shut the fuck up.

Reerun_KC
10-24-2011, 07:38 AM
Wes Welker was a good player almost immediately when he started receiving regular playing time.

Shut the **** up.

Grab a mirror and take your own advice... You suck as a poster, a pretend journalist and as a human being...

Reerun_KC
11-01-2011, 09:50 AM
Totals updated....

KC Tattoo
11-01-2011, 10:10 AM
[QUOTE=KC Tattoo;7902280]He is still going be apart of the offensive scheme & he will be effective at times and other times not as much. He does give opportunity for us to get first downs and then some.


I stand by this, but am becomming more critical of his play. He needs to be more consistant to be effective. Like it's been said tho, put him in space & watch him make a play. I think he works great as a decoy, that defenses are just expecting him to get the ball & thus on handoffs or Cassel leaving him hang out to dry in the flats, not going any where.

He is a fun player to watch and root for. I am expecting more big plays from him, but at the same time expect him to get stuffed do to defenses keying on him. That's what we got in him, but he needs to make the big plays more often than he has for us to be succesful with him.

Claynus
11-01-2011, 10:11 AM
6 carries for 0 yards. LMAO

He needs 32 carries in 9 games. :(

Reerun_KC
11-01-2011, 10:16 AM
He only needs 55 more touches this year to reach the bottom of the 125 mark.

Needs to average around 6-7 touches a game to finish this out.

Demonpenz
11-01-2011, 10:22 AM
So he made some people miss yesterday when it is one on one. He also ran the ball hard out of the endzone, hopefully that highlight real run is coming.

Deberg_1990
11-01-2011, 11:18 AM
i noticed he finally broke a tackle last night with his patented "360" spin move.

Okie_Apparition
11-13-2011, 03:24 PM
He looked better today

Three7s
11-13-2011, 03:32 PM
He looked better today
And yet, better still looked terrible.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 03:36 PM
And yet, better still looked terrible.

5.6ypc and the #1 receiver.

Soooooooo terrible.

The blind hatred for McCluster is mind boggling.

Three7s
11-13-2011, 03:39 PM
5.6ypc and the #1 receiver.

Soooooooo terrible.

The blind hatred for McCluster is mind boggling.
3rd down and 25 at the 5. Draw to McMidget for 7. Yeah, so mind-boggling how he achieves that ypc.

And the #1 receiver on a piece of shit passing offense? Irrelevant.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 03:40 PM
3rd down and 25 at the 5. Draw to McMidget for 7. Yeah, so mind-boggling how he achieves that ypc.

And the #1 receiver on a piece of shit passing offense? Irrelevant.

So you are blaming McCluster for the play calling?

****ing idiot.

How was Charles getting his yards last year?

Three7s
11-13-2011, 03:43 PM
So you are blaming McCluster for the play calling?

****ing idiot.

How was Charles getting his yards last year?
Where in the hell did you get playcalling out of that?

jd1020
11-13-2011, 03:44 PM
Where in the hell did you get playcalling out of that?

You brought up a draw play on 3rd and 25?

Three7s
11-13-2011, 03:48 PM
You brought up a draw play on 3rd and 25?
Yes.... and that's how he get his ypc, and it's the only way he really gets yards on the ground at all. Every time it's a conventional run to McCluster, it's 2 yards. He's okay on pass plays sometimes, but not near often enough for me to give him credit.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 03:48 PM
Yes.... and that's how he get his ypc, and it's the only way he really gets yards on the ground at all. Every time it's a conventional run to McCluster, it's 2 yards. He's okay on pass plays sometimes, but not near often enough for me to give him credit.

How was Charles getting his yards?

Chiefs Pantalones
11-13-2011, 03:52 PM
LMAO when Cassel finally leaves KC I want him to take McBust with him. What a terrible pick.

DBOSHO
11-13-2011, 03:53 PM
Man there are some retards on this board.

Three7s
11-13-2011, 03:54 PM
How was Charles getting his yards?
By following blockers, breaking tackles, and not doing 360 spins? I'll admit, I've seen McCluster follow blockers, but he has no ability to break tackles and he dances around too much.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 03:56 PM
By following blockers, breaking tackles, and not doing 360 spins? I'll admit, I've seen McCluster follow blockers, but he has no ability to break tackles and he dances around too much.

I'll help you out here... the draw play.

McCluster isn't going to put up Charles numbers because he's not big enough to break those tackles. He still puts up solid numbers and is a good weapon for this offense. When Haley/Muir realize how to utilize him he'll be even more of a threat.

I think I can count the number of screen passes he's got this year with 1 finger.

He needs to be outside 80% of the time. The other 20% can be a draw play just to keep people honest. Right now when McCluster is in it's a draw play probably about 98% of the time.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 04:02 PM
McCluster's yardage is the equivalent of a QB's stats against the prevent. Completely empty calories.

Three7s
11-13-2011, 04:04 PM
McCluster's yardage is the equivalent of a QB's stats against the prevent. Completely empty calories.
Thank you.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 04:07 PM
McCluster's yardage is the equivalent of a QB's stats against the prevent. Completely empty calories.

:spock:

Except when McCluster runs for 8 and 10 yards on 1st down early/mid game. Catching the ball for 14 yards and running down to the 1 to set up KCs only TD in 2 games.

jd1020
11-13-2011, 04:16 PM
2nd and 2 at KC 27 (Shotgun) D.McCluster left tackle to KC 35 for 8 yards (J.Mays).

2nd and 10 at DEN 31 D.McCluster up the middle to DEN 21 for 10 yards (B.Bunkley).

3rd and 8 at DEN 19 (Shotgun) M.Cassel pass short left to D.McCluster pushed ob at DEN 5 for 14 yards (D.Williams; Q.Carter).

1st and 5 at DEN 5 M.Cassel pass short right to D.McCluster to DEN 1 for 4 yards (A.Goodman).

1st and 10 at KC 24 D.McCluster up the middle to KC 34 for 10 yards (D.Williams). PENALTY on DEN-D.Williams, Face Mask (15 Yards), 15 yards, enforced at KC 34.

I'll leave out the last drive where Denver was in prevent.

LOOK AT ALL THOSE USELESS YARDS!

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-13-2011, 04:17 PM
:spock:

Except when McCluster runs for 8 and 10 yards on 1st down early/mid game. Catching the ball for 14 yards and running down to the 1 to set up KCs only TD in 2 games.

When the LB fell down in coverage? Yeah, that was awesome.