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Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 11:40 AM
MU wanted longer than six years, but Texas balked. They didn't feel like six years would hold Texas or OU back if they wanted to leave. If Texas wanted to leave to three or four years, they could swallow some losses. This is especially true since they could try to move programming to the LHN for a few years.

A rolling six year commitment would have made more sense. If you leave, the conference owns your 1st and 2nd tier media rights for six years from the time you leave the conference.

Ultimately, I believe that will happen soon. 12-13 years, and Mizzou will stay.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 11:47 AM
Ultimately, I believe that will happen soon. 12-13 years, and Mizzou will stay.

I hope you are wrong. I think Mizzou has started setting the bridge on fire.

As to KC, this is where KU, KSU, and ISU need to flex what little muscle they have. Texas and OU don't really care about BBall, so conceding the BIG XII tourney to KC is an easy bone to throw to those three schools to keep them quiet and in their corner.

I would not be too terribly surprised if an SEC Tournament winds up in Missouri at some point. It would be a great opportunity for SEC hoops to be on display close to B1G country. St. Louis would probably be the pick, but a totally cool scenario would be the Big 12 being in a KC every other year, and in some of the years that the BIG XII is in Dallas or OKC, have the SEC tournament here in KC. Hopefully the city leaders are smart enough to make a pitch and at least try, even though it would be a long shot.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 11:49 AM
Oh, and Bill Self can kiss my ass. Despite the prestige of KU in recruiting, if he does not play Mizzou he will hurt his chances of recruiting in KC, especially if Mizzou winds up in the SEC West, which is pretty weak in BBall, and has some success. Might not see it a first, but a successful Mizzou bball program in the SEC would hurt KU recruiting in this area, given that recruits want TV time and national exposure, which the SEC will provide in spades.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 11:50 AM
SEC tournament in KC?:spock:

epitome1170
10-05-2011, 11:54 AM
SEC tournament in KC?:spock:

Yeah I can't see that... I could see it in St. Louis.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 11:54 AM
Ultimately, I believe that will happen soon. 12-13 years, and Mizzou will stay.

Wrong and wrong.

Pants
10-05-2011, 11:58 AM
Wrong and wrong.

So conference stability was not the issue? Or are you saying that UT/OU would never sign their rights away for 12 years?

the Talking Can
10-05-2011, 12:00 PM
Oh, and Bill Self can kiss my ass. Despite the prestige of KU in recruiting, if he does not play Mizzou he will hurt his chances of recruiting in KC, especially if Mizzou winds up in the SEC West, which is pretty weak in BBall, and has some success. Might not see it a first, but a successful Mizzou bball program in the SEC would hurt KU recruiting in this area, given that recruits want TV time and national exposure, which the SEC will provide in spades.

yeah, It's keeping Bill up at night...worrying about getting out recruited by Missouri....

I heard he's already looking for a job in a better conference...

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 12:01 PM
So conference stability was not the issue? Or are you saying that UT/OU would never sign their rights away for 12 years?

He's just making a guess. Sort of like what i'm doing. No one really knows what the hell is going on at this point.

Brainiac
10-05-2011, 12:02 PM
Oh, and Bill Self can kiss my ass. Despite the prestige of KU in recruiting, if he does not play Mizzou he will hurt his chances of recruiting in KC, especially if Mizzou winds up in the SEC West, which is pretty weak in BBall, and has some success. Might not see it a first, but a successful Mizzou bball program in the SEC would hurt KU recruiting in this area, given that recruits want TV time and national exposure, which the SEC will provide in spades.
Yeah, right. Bill Self won't be able to recruit in KC. :rolleyes:

Spoken like a true MU fan and KU hater.

vailpass
10-05-2011, 12:03 PM
Guys on the radio this morning said Mizzou had "held a meeting to decide if they wanted to hold a meeting to explore whether they want to consider leaving B12".
Can anyone translate for me?

Mr. Plow
10-05-2011, 12:06 PM
Guys on the radio this morning said Mizzou had "held a meeting to decide if they wanted to hold a meeting to explore whether they want to consider leaving B12".
Can anyone translate for me?

They are currently in a meeting to discuss holding that meeting to translate the meaning of the original meeting.

Pants
10-05-2011, 12:07 PM
He's just making a guess. Sort of like what i'm doing. No one really knows what the hell is going on at this point.

Well yeah. I'm just trying to see why all these MU fans want to leave so bad? Is it because of instability? Or is it just so they can say "Haha, see ya fags" like billay?

Pitt Gorilla
10-05-2011, 12:08 PM
Yeah, right. Bill Self won't be able to recruit in KC. :rolleyes:

Spoken like a true MU fan and KU hater.I agree, and it wouldn't hurt KU in recruiting. Of course, it wasn't difficult to see the butthurt in Self's quote either.

HolyHandgernade
10-05-2011, 12:08 PM
I hope you are wrong. I think Mizzou has started setting the bridge on fire.

As to KC, this is where KU, KSU, and ISU need to flex what little muscle they have. Texas and OU don't really care about BBall, so conceding the BIG XII tourney to KC is an easy bone to throw to those three schools to keep them quiet and in their corner.

I would not be too terribly surprised if an SEC Tournament winds up in Missouri at some point. It would be a great opportunity for SEC hoops to be on display close to B1G country. St. Louis would probably be the pick, but a totally cool scenario would be the Big 12 being in a KC every other year, and in some of the years that the BIG XII is in Dallas or OKC, have the SEC tournament here in KC. Hopefully the city leaders are smart enough to make a pitch and at least try, even though it would be a long shot.

I don't think you really get the whole "Sprint Center would no longer be in Big XII Territory" thing if MU leaves. KU, KSU and ISU are not going to fight to keep the secondary tournament revenues in SEC country. It'll move to OKC and you won't hear a voice of dissent from within the Big XII.

You'll be lucky if the SEC holds anything on the fringe of their territory. Perhaps once every four years St. Louis might get the BB Tournament. Why make a bunch of schools who work on eastern time go to a state in the central time zone?

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 12:08 PM
Well yeah. I'm just trying to see why all these MU fans want to leave so bad? Is it because of instability? Or is it just so they can say "Haha, see ya pillowbiters" like billay?

Grass is greener.

vailpass
10-05-2011, 12:10 PM
They are currently in a meeting to discuss holding that meeting to translate the meaning of the original meeting.

:D Thanks Plow, now I see.

Mr. Plow
10-05-2011, 12:10 PM
:D Thanks Plow, now I see.

Clear as day, isn't it? :)

Pitt Gorilla
10-05-2011, 12:14 PM
Well yeah. I'm just trying to see why all these MU fans want to leave so bad? Is it because of instability? Or is it just so they can say "Haha, see ya pillowbiters" like billay?It has everything to do with stability; the fact that the quality of football is insanely high and the revenue will be very good don't hurt, but they aren't the primary reasons. MU fans don't want their school to be left out when the Big 12 crumbles, whether that's in 1, 2, or 6 years. As soon as Texas or OK decide they want to be elsewhere, the conference is as good as done. MU is simply looking around while the looking is good.

It should also be noted that they MAY stay in the Big 12, although things certainly don't appear to be currently pointing in that direction.

kchero
10-05-2011, 12:16 PM
So can anyone who listened to Petro's take sum it up for me?

Pants
10-05-2011, 12:18 PM
Grass is greener.

Yeah, I was totally understanding MU wanting to leave to the SEC before the shared revenue and rights surrender deal came out. Seems kinda weird now.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 12:22 PM
I don't think you really get the whole "Sprint Center would no longer be in Big XII Territory" thing if MU leaves. KU, KSU and ISU are not going to fight to keep the secondary tournament revenues in SEC country. It'll move to OKC and you won't hear a voice of dissent from within the Big XII.

You'll be lucky if the SEC holds anything on the fringe of their territory. Perhaps once every four years St. Louis might get the BB Tournament. Why make a bunch of schools who work on eastern time go to a state in the central time zone?

No, I get it. What I posted was just pure specualation and what if. But you can't have it both ways. If KC is a KU town, then this IS BIG XII country, and KU should fight to keep the BBall tourney close to home. If KC is no longer Big XII country, then you have to cede the fact that KC is going to be a Mizzou town.

The SEC tourney in KC would be a long shot. I said that. Anything is possible, and a pitch should be made.

Eastern time to Central time is no big deal. Talking about an hour difference. Eastern time to Pacific time, that is a different story, but I don't folks won't tune into the SEC tourney in St. Louis because it is in the Central time zone. That is just silly.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 12:23 PM
So can anyone who listened to Petro's take sum it up for me?

Petro said Mizzou would be crazy not to go to the SEC. He used pretty close to those exact words.

BryanBusby
10-05-2011, 12:25 PM
Yeah, I was totally understanding MU wanting to leave to the SEC before the shared revenue and rights surrender deal came out. Seems kinda weird now.

Yeah, as long as you choose to ignore the 30 million advantage Texas will continue to hold for themselves.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 12:25 PM
Yeah I can't see that... I could see it in St. Louis.

Even that will be 200 miles North of any convenience store selling confederate flags.

epitome1170
10-05-2011, 12:25 PM
No, I get it. What I posted was just pure specualation and what if. But you can't have it both ways. If KC is a KU town, then this IS BIG XII country, and KU should fight to keep the BBall tourney close to home. If KC is no longer Big XII country, then you have to cede the fact that KC is going to be a Mizzou town.
The SEC tourney in KC would be a long shot. I said that. Anything is possible, and a pitch should be made.

Eastern time to Central time is no big deal. Talking about an hour difference. Eastern time to Pacific time, that is a different story, but I don't folks won't tune into the SEC tourney in St. Louis because it is in the Central time zone. That is just silly.

This

epitome1170
10-05-2011, 12:27 PM
Even that will be 200 miles North of any convenience store selling confederate flags.

Everyone needs to take a vacation every once in a while to a "foreign country"

And I guess I should have said that if it is going to be in the state at all it would be in STL.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:29 PM
yeah, It's keeping Bill up at night...worrying about getting out recruited by Missouri....

I heard he's already looking for a job in a better conference...

LMAO

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 12:30 PM
You can laugh Wickedson...but if the Big XII implodes and UT and OU take off, Self is gone from KU, and KU will not be able to replace him with a great coach from whatever second tier conference they land in. KU putting BBall ahead of football is going to hurt the Hawks in the end.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:30 PM
I agree, and it wouldn't hurt KU in recruiting. Of course, it wasn't difficult to see the butthurt in Self's quote either.

What do you want him to say? That he's happy that his school's biggest rival isn't standing strong with them and looking to take any opportunity they can to leave the conference?

Like has been said, the Big 12 will be fine without MU.

The KU-MU tradition and ties with KC will not.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:31 PM
You can laugh Wickedson...but if the Big XII implodes and UT and OU take off, Self is gone from KU, and KU will not be able to replace him with a great coach from whatever second tier conference they land in. KU putting BBall ahead of football is going to hurt the Hawks in the end.

no doubt

Pants
10-05-2011, 12:31 PM
Yeah, as long as you choose to ignore the 30 million advantage Texas will continue to hold for themselves.

30 million? Is that per year?

Does the SEC not 3rd Tier rights? If they do, are they all equally shared between schools?

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:31 PM
So conference stability was not the issue? Or are you saying that UT/OU would never sign their rights away for 12 years?

I'm saying that he's wrong about the Big XII moving to a 12-13 year rolling agreement and wrong about Mizzou staying.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:33 PM
I don't think you really get the whole "Sprint Center would no longer be in Big XII Territory" thing if MU leaves. KU, KSU and ISU are not going to fight to keep the secondary tournament revenues in SEC country. It'll move to OKC and you won't hear a voice of dissent from within the Big XII.

You'll be lucky if the SEC holds anything on the fringe of their territory. Perhaps once every four years St. Louis might get the BB Tournament. Why make a bunch of schools who work on eastern time go to a state in the central time zone?

This. Now that Nebraska is gone MU can be a power in the Big 12 athletically like they've never been before. And I don't mean on just on the field, more like location of Big 12 tourney, Arrowhead possibly getting the Big12 FB Champ game again.


Something tells me in the SEC that is going to be quite a challenge.

Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 12:34 PM
You can laugh Wickedson...but if the Big XII implodes and UT and OU take off, Self is gone from KU, and KU will not be able to replace him with a great coach from whatever second tier conference they land in. KU putting BBall ahead of football is going to hurt the Hawks in the end.

I dont disagree...

KU as we know it could be coming to a quick end.. I applaud MU for have a ball sack...

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 12:34 PM
What do you want him to say? That he's happy that his school's biggest rival isn't standing strong with them and looking to take any opportunity they can to leave the conference?

Like has been said, the Big 12 will be fine without MU.

The KU-MU tradition and ties with KC will not.

If the KU-MU rivalry dies, that is on KU, since Self is saying he is unwilling to schedule Mizzou, which reeks of spite and envy.

I love how MU should just stay and do whatever KU wants to keep the rivalry going, but KU can't do anything to maintain it. A non-conference game with Mizzou at Sprint Center would be great for KC, and a great recruiting tool for both Self and whomever we get to replace Haith once he is fired. :D

Or maybe Self is just scared of Mizzou now that it seems Mizzou has grown a pair? Could KU be chicken?

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:34 PM
Why make a bunch of schools who work on eastern time go to a state in the central time zone?

Most of the SEC is in the Central Time Zone.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 12:35 PM
Everyone needs to take a vacation every once in a while to a "foreign country"

And I guess I should have said that if it is going to be in the state at all it would be in STL.

ROFL, as I said at the beginning of the other thread, this is going to be fun to watch play out.

DaKCMan AP
10-05-2011, 12:35 PM
30 million? Is that per year?

Does the SEC not 3rd Tier rights? If they do, are they all equally shared between schools?

"All of our [football] games belong to the conference package except that we provide one pay-per-view opportunity for each of our institutions on an annual basis," Slive said.

Along with ESPN and CBS, the SEC Network game of the week is in 73 million homes. The league also has cable packages with Comcast and FOX.

"The SEC distributes its revenue from our conference package equally," Slive said. "We have some very minor appearance fees, but they really don't amount to much. For the most part, all of our institutions get the same amount of money from our package."

http://www.aggiesports.com/football/Slive-hoping-A-amp-amp-M-s-kickoff-in-SEC-will-be-something-special

Pitt Gorilla
10-05-2011, 12:36 PM
The KU-MU tradition and ties with KC will not.Why not? It certainly doesn't HURT KU to play MU in either basketball or football. Why would Self not want to play MU?

Pants
10-05-2011, 12:36 PM
I dont disagree...

KU as we know it could be coming to a quick end.. I applaud MU for have a ball sack...

Can you please stop with the "ball sack" gibberish? You've been spewing the same stupid thing this whole time. This has nothing to do with having ball sacks, it has everything to do with having offers.

HolyHandgernade
10-05-2011, 12:36 PM
No, I get it. What I posted was just pure specualation and what if. But you can't have it both ways. If KC is a KU town, then this IS BIG XII country, and KU should fight to keep the BBall tourney close to home. If KC is no longer Big XII country, then you have to cede the fact that KC is going to be a Mizzou town.

The SEC tourney in KC would be a long shot. I said that. Anything is possible, and a pitch should be made.

Eastern time to Central time is no big deal. Talking about an hour difference. Eastern time to Pacific time, that is a different story, but I don't folks won't tune into the SEC tourney in St. Louis because it is in the Central time zone. That is just silly.

I guess what I'm saying is if they had built the Sprint Center in Johnson County, then yes, the BB Tournament would stay there. It has nothing to do with the number of fans in KC. The tournament is an economic boon to the city that hosts it, specifically the Power and Light district. So, why give that to a metro area who is in SEC territory. It doesn't make any sense.

I don't say that because I wouldn't love for the Tournament to stay in KC. I don't even live there any longer, but it still has a great place in my heart and this potential move by the Tiger is just going to shred the city of part of its identity.

The time zone thing is important because you are asking the majority of the conference to move to a fringe (and colder) part of the conference. The South doesn't like to do cold.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 12:38 PM
I dont disagree...

KU as we know it could be coming to a quick end.. I applaud MU for have a ball sack...

As much as I hate KU, I respect Bill Self, I wanted him for Mizzou coach when that opportunity arose.

I also like hating KU as an equal BCS member. I don't want the Hawks in the stupid Missouri Valley or Mountain West. I wanna kick their ass on a big stage.

Celtics fans hate the Lakers, but none of them want the Lakers regulated to the minor leagues.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 12:39 PM
Can you please stop with the "ball sack" gibberish? You've been spewing the same stupid thing this whole time. This has nothing to do with having ball sacks, it has everything to do with having offers.

I don't know...it would be easy to be gun shy and play it safe after last year. It is a courageous move. Putting ourselves at risk (again) and moving into a more challenging situation.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 12:39 PM
If the KU-MU rivalry dies, that is on KU, since Self is saying he is unwilling to schedule Mizzou, which reeks of spite and envy.

I love how MU should just stay and do whatever KU wants to keep the rivalry going, but KU can't do anything to maintain it. A non-conference game with Mizzou at Sprint Center would be great for KC, and a great recruiting tool for both Self and whomever we get to replace Haith once he is fired. :D

Or maybe Self is just scared of Mizzou now that it seems Mizzou has grown a pair? Could KU be chicken?

Yeah, that must be it. KU is scared of Mizzou BB.

Actually he is probably looking at it like he does a game against WSU. Everything to lose, and nothing to gain. He plays MU now, because it is in conference.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:40 PM
I agree, and it wouldn't hurt KU in recruiting. Of course, it wasn't difficult to see the butthurt in Self's quote either.

KU basketball is going to be fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have already begun a gradual decline. I don't think it's going to be a huge decline, but the SEC is now on KU's doorstep, and that does hurt. I promise you that the B1G is pissed that the SEC/B1G border just went from about 200 miles to 1000 miles overnight.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:40 PM
If the KU-MU rivalry dies, that is on KU, since Self is saying he is unwilling to schedule Mizzou, which reeks of spite and envy.

I love how MU should just stay and do whatever KU wants to keep the rivalry going, but KU can't do anything to maintain it. A non-conference game with Mizzou at Sprint Center would be great for KC, and a great recruiting tool for both Self and whomever we get to replace Haith once he is fired. :D

Or maybe Self is just scared of Mizzou now that it seems Mizzou has grown a pair? Could KU be chicken?

Self wants a opponent to respect and stand strong with an institution that has a history of over 100 years together.

KU is willing to do that and make the Big12 work.

You all can laugh at KU about how "no one wants them" but the fact of whether or not that is true cannot be known because KU knows that it's strongest position here in a conference that is based here... not Atlanta, not San Francisco, etc etc

cookster50
10-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Yeah, I was totally understanding MU wanting to leave to the SEC before the shared revenue and rights surrender deal came out. Seems kinda weird now.

How about this, maybe MU doesn't want to go through this same scenario year after year after year? Think about that? Don't leave now, SEC picks another team, no more chance to move to the SEC. This is about having an option to move and doing it now rather than wait for the inevitable implosion and being left with no good options later.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 12:40 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/36226/bill-self-border-war-may-be-dead

We just got done dissecting Missouri's decision to officially pursue its conference expansion options. The move could put the Big 12 in jeopardy, or at least force it to be more aggressive in its own expansion efforts. Its greatest effect could be on teams like Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State and the like -- schools that desperately need that revenue-sharing agreement to hold up, desperately need Texas and Oklahoma to stay put, desperately need to keep the Big 12 together to avoid scrambling for a spot at a less-sensible table.

Needless to say, Missouri's move did not make Kansas coach Bill Self happy. Late Tuesday night, Self told the Lawrence Journal-World that if Missouri goes through with a move to the SEC, he would probably decline to schedule Missouri in a non-conference game each season. That move would effectively kill the Border War (or Border Showdown, if you prefer an anesthetized and politically correct terminology) rivalry -- one of the and mostly deep historic and heated rivalries in college hoops. To wit:

To me its a great rivalry, one of the best in college basketball without question, but I dont think I would be interested in having a once a year game like I did when I was at Illinois, playing Missouri, Self told the Journal-World on Tuesday night. [...] If they choose to be somewhere other than with us and with the other schools that theyve been a part of and could jeopardize the future of the other schools ... Im not going to make a commitment now that wed ever play again. Im not saying we wont. Im certainly not going to pretend that we would.

The Journal-World suggested to Self that fans, and therefore the media, would clamor for a continuation of the classic series. His answer? I don't care:

Im not saying it would be bad or wont be bad (playing once on neutral court). I will say this ... the media is not going to dictate who we play. Ill dictate who we play as long as Im coaching here, Self said. I have no ill will toward Missouri at all, but to do something at a time that could be so damaging and hurtful to a group, I cant see us just taking it and forgetting."

It's hard to disagree. Missouri's self-interested move, whatever the reasons and motivations behind it -- and you can argue those motivations are understandable even if you think Mizzou is biting off a bit more than it can chew -- puts Kansas, perhaps more than any other school, in jeopardy. The Jayhawks don't have many outs. They're a basketball-first school that has failed to attract any expansion interest from the Big Ten or SEC; for a while there, we were wondering whether Kansas would have to join the Mountain West. Why would Self not want to punish Missouri for indirectly putting his program in that position? Why wouldn't he prefer to see Missouri hoops languish in the SEC? At the very least, he's not going to say everything will be hunky-dory -- oh, go ahead, Missouri, best of luck, and see you at the Border Showdown in 2012!

No, Self is making clear that there are sacrifices to leaving your league. One of them is traditional regional rivalries. If Missouri is OK with that, then that's its prerogative. But if the Tigers prefer the SEC to the Big 12 for financial reasons, they shouldn't be shocked when their old mates decide they'd rather not speak anymore. That's just part of the bargain.

And this is why we complain about conference realignment. Since 1907, Missouri and Kansas have engaged in an uninterrupted rivalry. The matchup has been a reflection of long-standing regional animosity, the kind that inspires small towns to write letters -- in 2011, mind you -- complaining about the "offensive" use of the term "Jayhawk." I mean, it is (was) called the Border War. You don't have to be a Kansas or Missouri fan to appreciate this kind of rivalry.

Then conference realignment comes along, and Missouri decides its centuries-old rivalries with hated neighbor schools aren't worth as much as an invitation to a league with which it has no historic, geographic or competitive relationship. Why? More money.

Rivalries make college hoops great. Realignment makes rivalries obsolete. Whining about conference realignment is played out, but if you want to know why the whine-fest continues, look no further.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 12:42 PM
I guess what I'm saying is if they had built the Sprint Center in Johnson County, then yes, the BB Tournament would stay there. It has nothing to do with the number of fans in KC. The tournament is an economic boon to the city that hosts it, specifically the Power and Light district. So, why give that to a metro area who is in SEC territory. It doesn't make any sense.

I don't say that because I wouldn't love for the Tournament to stay in KC. I don't even live there any longer, but it still has a great place in my heart and this potential move by the Tiger is just going to shred the city of part of its identity.

The time zone thing is important because you are asking the majority of the conference to move to a fringe (and colder) part of the conference. The South doesn't like to do cold.

Oh please, it is not that cold in Missouri in March. And moving the Sprint Center five miles into Johnson county would not make KC any more viable to hold the BIG XII tournament here. Outside of metro KC, no one sees a difference between downtown KC and Johnson County anyway. Hell, outside the metro, most folks can't even tell the difference between KCMO and KCKS, with most folks thinking KC is in Kansas to begin with.

If the KC metro is now SEC territory, then you can't claim it is a KU town, which most KU fans in this thread have been touting for days now. If KC is a KU town, then that makes KC Big XII country by default.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 12:43 PM
How am I not surprised that ku fans have somehow found a way to interject ku basketball into a conference realignment thread?

LMAO

Pitt Gorilla
10-05-2011, 12:43 PM
Self sounds like a jilted girlfriend and MU hasn't even left.

Jerm
10-05-2011, 12:44 PM
Sooooo Mizzou should make a wrong move for itself and sacrifice to help out.......Kansas???

LOL ok.

I'm glad Deaton and co. are finally looking out for what's best for MIZZOU...not Kansas, the Big XII, or anyone else.

If the Border War were to be lost yeah it'd suck but the excitement and intrigue over creating new rivalries in the SEC would be ok with me.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 12:45 PM
and for fucks sake, a basketball tournament or football championship game might not make a top 50 list of priorities for Mizzou when making this decision.

HolyHandgernade
10-05-2011, 12:45 PM
If the KU-MU rivalry dies, that is on KU, since Self is saying he is unwilling to schedule Mizzou, which reeks of spite and envy.

I love how MU should just stay and do whatever KU wants to keep the rivalry going, but KU can't do anything to maintain it. A non-conference game with Mizzou at Sprint Center would be great for KC, and a great recruiting tool for both Self and whomever we get to replace Haith once he is fired. :D

Or maybe Self is just scared of Mizzou now that it seems Mizzou has grown a pair? Could KU be chicken?

Yeah, that's it. So, Mizzou decides its going to look elsewhere, keeps the conference the Jayhawks are in, in limbo and may actually leave, thereby devaluing the conference as a whole, which in turn means less money per school... and that's on the Jayhawks?

Look, if you guys really believe your best interests are going to a conference you have no tradition with and less competitive power, then that's on you. We want you to stay. We want to continue the rivalry as a conference rivalry. We have no interest in seeing you go, make more money, and then contributing more money to a foreign conference city. Why you think these things can just "remain the same" is beyond me. The only way this rivalry will renew if you leave is if the Big XII dissolves in the future and we somehow end up in the B1G or PAC.

But you guys are spitting on the conference rivalry first, if you leave, you have to own that.

HolyHandgernade
10-05-2011, 12:45 PM
How am I not surprised that ku fans have somehow found a way to interject ku basketball into a conference realignment thread?

LMAO

Why, you bring it up each time. Can it really be a surprise if you remark on it each time?

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 12:45 PM
How am I not surprised that ku fans have somehow found a way to interject ku basketball into a conference realignment thread?

LMAO

HHG is a complete dumbass, please ignore.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:46 PM
Yeah, that's it. So, Mizzou decides its going to look elsewhere, keeps the conference the Jayhawks are in, in limbo and may actually leave, thereby devaluing the conference as a whole, which in turn means less money per school... and that's on the Jayhawks?

Look, if you guys really believe your best interests are going to a conference you have no tradition with and less competitive power, then that's on you. We want you to stay. We want to continue the rivalry as a conference rivalry. We have no interest in seeing you go, make more money, and then contributing more money to a foreign conference city. Why you think these things can just "remain the same" is beyond me. The only way this rivalry will renew if you leave is if the Big XII dissolves in the future and we somehow end up in the B1G or PAC.

But you guys are spitting on the conference rivalry first, if you leave, you have to own that.

Say what you will, but if Mizzou offers to play KU in the non-con and KU says no, that's on KU.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 12:47 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/36226/bill-self-border-war-may-be-dead

We just got done dissecting Missouri's decision to officially pursue its conference expansion options. The move could put the Big 12 in jeopardy, or at least force it to be more aggressive in its own expansion efforts. Its greatest effect could be on teams like Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State and the like -- schools that desperately need that revenue-sharing agreement to hold up, desperately need Texas and Oklahoma to stay put, desperately need to keep the Big 12 together to avoid scrambling for a spot at a less-sensible table.

Needless to say, Missouri's move did not make Kansas coach Bill Self happy. Late Tuesday night, Self told the Lawrence Journal-World that if Missouri goes through with a move to the SEC, he would probably decline to schedule Missouri in a non-conference game each season. That move would effectively kill the Border War (or Border Showdown, if you prefer an anesthetized and politically correct terminology) rivalry -- one of the and mostly deep historic and heated rivalries in college hoops. To wit:

To me its a great rivalry, one of the best in college basketball without question, but I dont think I would be interested in having a once a year game like I did when I was at Illinois, playing Missouri, Self told the Journal-World on Tuesday night. [...] If they choose to be somewhere other than with us and with the other schools that theyve been a part of and could jeopardize the future of the other schools ... Im not going to make a commitment now that wed ever play again. Im not saying we wont. Im certainly not going to pretend that we would.

The Journal-World suggested to Self that fans, and therefore the media, would clamor for a continuation of the classic series. His answer? I don't care:

Im not saying it would be bad or wont be bad (playing once on neutral court). I will say this ... the media is not going to dictate who we play. Ill dictate who we play as long as Im coaching here, Self said. I have no ill will toward Missouri at all, but to do something at a time that could be so damaging and hurtful to a group, I cant see us just taking it and forgetting."

It's hard to disagree. Missouri's self-interested move, whatever the reasons and motivations behind it -- and you can argue those motivations are understandable even if you think Mizzou is biting off a bit more than it can chew -- puts Kansas, perhaps more than any other school, in jeopardy. The Jayhawks don't have many outs. They're a basketball-first school that has failed to attract any expansion interest from the Big Ten or SEC; for a while there, we were wondering whether Kansas would have to join the Mountain West. Why would Self not want to punish Missouri for indirectly putting his program in that position? Why wouldn't he prefer to see Missouri hoops languish in the SEC? At the very least, he's not going to say everything will be hunky-dory -- oh, go ahead, Missouri, best of luck, and see you at the Border Showdown in 2012!

No, Self is making clear that there are sacrifices to leaving your league. One of them is traditional regional rivalries. If Missouri is OK with that, then that's its prerogative. But if the Tigers prefer the SEC to the Big 12 for financial reasons, they shouldn't be shocked when their old mates decide they'd rather not speak anymore. That's just part of the bargain.

And this is why we complain about conference realignment. Since 1907, Missouri and Kansas have engaged in an uninterrupted rivalry. The matchup has been a reflection of long-standing regional animosity, the kind that inspires small towns to write letters -- in 2011, mind you -- complaining about the "offensive" use of the term "Jayhawk." I mean, it is (was) called the Border War. You don't have to be a Kansas or Missouri fan to appreciate this kind of rivalry.

Then conference realignment comes along, and Missouri decides its centuries-old rivalries with hated neighbor schools aren't worth as much as an invitation to a league with which it has no historic, geographic or competitive relationship. Why? More money.

Rivalries make college hoops great. Realignment makes rivalries obsolete. Whining about conference realignment is played out, but if you want to know why the whine-fest continues, look no further.

If the only way KU is going to be happy is for Mizzou to bend over and get screwed, then I guess KU is going to have to be unhappy. There are two sides to a rivalry, and Mizzou is willing to show up and play, regardless of conference affiliation. If KU wants to end it, then that is on them. Don't sit there and blame Mizzou for moving to a better neighborhood.

KU seems to be saying they only want to play Mizzou on their terms and by their rules. Screw that, about time the Tigers stood up for themselves.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 12:48 PM
Look, if you guys really believe your best interests are going to a conference you have no tradition with and less competitive power, then that's on you. We want you to stay. We want to continue the rivalry as a conference rivalry. We have no interest in seeing you go, make more money, and then contributing more money to a foreign conference city. Why you think these things can just "remain the same" is beyond me. The only way this rivalry will renew if you leave is if the Big XII dissolves in the future and we somehow end up in the B1G or PAC.


LOL, so you won't contribute money to a "foreign conference city" while in the Big 12, but you will if you actually end up in a good conference.

And this has NOTHING to do with jealousy or spite. Nothing at all.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:49 PM
If the only way KU is going to be happy is for Mizzou to bend over and get screwed, then I guess KU is going to have to be unhappy. There are two sides to a rivalry, and Mizzou is willing to show up and play, regardless of conference affiliation. If KU wants to end it, then that is on them. Don't sit there and blame Mizzou for moving to a better neighborhood.

KU seems to be saying they only want to play Mizzou on their terms and by their rules. Screw that, about time the Tigers stood up for themselves.

Exactly. KU wants to say that MU shouldn't leave because KU/MU is a great rivalry. At the same time, they are trying to say that they only play us because the conference requires it. Which is it? Is it a game that should be played because it's a great rivalry, or is it a game that should be played just because it's on the schedule every year?

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 12:49 PM
Everyone is free to act in their own self interests. Missouri knows there are far reaching consequences to their actions. This can't be a surprise.

HolyHandgernade
10-05-2011, 12:50 PM
Say what you will, but if Mizzou offers to play KU in the non-con and KU says no, that's on KU.

I can live with that.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 12:50 PM
Self sounds like a jilted girlfriend and MU hasn't even left.

I would say from that read he is trying to exert what little pressure he has on Mizzou, to stay.

If you want to leave, than fuck you.

HolyHandgernade
10-05-2011, 12:51 PM
Everyone is free to act in their own self interests. Missouri knows there are far reaching consequences to their actions. This can't be a surprise.

Funny, but when it was perceived as Texas acting in self interest, you shout them down for it. Sounds like a lot of hypocrisy to me.

HolyHandgernade
10-05-2011, 12:51 PM
HHG is a complete dumbass, please ignore.

What a thinned skinned little purple bitch you are.

OmahaChief
10-05-2011, 12:52 PM
Self wants a opponent to respect and stand strong with an institution that has a history of over 100 years together.

KU is willing to do that and make the Big12 work.

You all can laugh at KU about how "no one wants them" but the fact of whether or not that is true cannot be known because KU knows that it's strongest position here in a conference that is based here... not Atlanta, not San Francisco, etc etc

KU is willing to do all of those things you mention not by choice but becuase it has no other options at this point. They are also willing to do as they are told by Texas and OU and be treated as second class citizens. They are doing the same thing Mizzou did for many years. Mizzou now has a chance to step up and give Texas the finger on the way out the door and I am glad they are doing it.

I will miss the KU games but I will love seeing the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and others in Columbia more than I will miss KU, ISU KState and the others.

Mizzou is building a new tradional not resting on an old one.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:53 PM
You all can laugh at KU about how "no one wants them" but the fact of whether or not that is true cannot be known because KU knows that it's strongest position here in a conference that is based here... not Atlanta, not San Francisco, etc etc

Yep. KU wants to say in a strong, vibrant conference that is based right here in Dallas, KS.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:54 PM
How am I not surprised that ku fans have somehow found a way to interject ku basketball into a conference realignment thread?

LMAO

Why are you so fucking stupid all the time?

The argument has nothing to do with football vs basketball.

MU fans are sitting around crying about "conference stability" and thats what they want. Do I blame them? no...How do you get conference stability?

By standing with your conference!

MU is doing exactly what they are claiming is what they are running from.

Bill Self knows that. All he's doing is calling MU out on it.

He's a Champion for a reason.

MU should take some notes.

Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 12:55 PM
KU is willing to do all of those things you mention not by choice but becuase it has no other options at this point. They are also willing to do as they are told by Texas and OU and be treated as second class citizens. They are doing the same thing Mizzou did for many years. Mizzou now has a chance to step up and give Texas the finger on the way out the door and I am glad they are doing it.

I will miss the KU games but I will love seeing the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and others in Columbia more than I will miss KU, ISU KState and the others.

Mizzou is building a new tradional not resting on an old one.

:clap:

What a great post...

MU is manning up... KU is bending over...

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:55 PM
KU is willing to do all of those things you mention not by choice but becuase it has no other options at this point. They are also willing to do as they are told by Texas and OU and be treated as second class citizens. They are doing the same thing Mizzou did for many years. Mizzou now has a chance to step up and give Texas the finger on the way out the door and I am glad they are doing it.

I will miss the KU games but I will love seeing the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and others in Columbia more than I will miss KU, ISU KState and the others.

Mizzou is building a new tradional not resting on an old one.

KU is asking Mizzou to give up tens of millions of dollars in order to preserve the rivalry, but KU isn't willing to give up a non-con game against Colgate. If I needed any convincing that this was the right move, (I didn't), I've gotten it in spades today.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:56 PM
Yep. KU wants to say in a strong, vibrant conference that is based right here in Dallas, KS.

Kansas City does just fine when it comes to Big 12 revenue.

Nothing is Texas. It will always be bigger. They will always spend more.

It doesn't mean others don't make a ton of money off them.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 12:56 PM
Funny, but when it was perceived as Texas acting in self interest, you shout them down for it. Sounds like a lot of hypocrisy to me.

You are wrong...as always.


LHN will turn into a money making machine and when they don't need the B12 anymore they will bolt.

That is fine...Texas is free to do that because they can. But if Missouri can avoid being a part of that mess they will.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 12:57 PM
Why are you so fucking stupid all the time?

The argument has nothing to do with football vs basketball.

MU fans are sitting around crying about "conference stability" and thats what they want. Do I blame them? no...How do you get conference stability?

By standing with your conference!

MU is doing exactly what they are claiming is what they are running from.

Bill Self knows that. All he's doing is calling MU out on it.

He's a Champion for a reason.

MU should take some notes.

When you're staying in a hotel in which several of the other rooms are engulfed in flames, you move to a different hotel. You don't stand in your room with a fire extinguisher and hope that the fire doesn't spread to your room in an attempt to stabilize the hotel.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:57 PM
Say what you will, but if Mizzou offers to play KU in the non-con and KU says no, that's on KU.

That's fucking bullshit.

You can tell yourself all you want, won't make it true.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 12:58 PM
Why are you so ****ing stupid all the time?

The argument has nothing to do with football vs basketball.

MU fans are sitting around crying about "conference stability" and thats what they want. Do I blame them? no...How do you get conference stability?

By standing with your conference!

MU is doing exactly what they are claiming is what they are running from.

Bill Self knows that. All he's doing is calling MU out on it.

He's a Champion for a reason.

MU should take some notes.

Sometimes its hard to be a woman
Giving all your love to just one man

You'll have bad times
And he'll have good times
Doing things that you don't understand

But if you love him you'll forgive him
Even though he's hard to understand

And if you love him
Oh be proud of him

'Cause after all he's just a man
Stand by your man

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 12:58 PM
That's ****ing bullshit.

You can tell yourself all you want, won't make it true.

Um, if Mizzou offers to play, and ku says no, then it is obviously true you dumb fucking sack of shit.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 12:59 PM
When you're staying in a hotel in which several of the other rooms are engulfed in flames, you move to a different hotel. You don't stand in your room with a fire extinguisher and hope that the fire doesn't spread to your room in an attempt to stabilize the hotel.

:clap:

Bambi
10-05-2011, 12:59 PM
Exactly. KU wants to say that MU shouldn't leave because KU/MU is a great rivalry. At the same time, they are trying to say that they only play us because the conference requires it. Which is it? Is it a game that should be played because it's a great rivalry, or is it a game that should be played just because it's on the schedule every year?

Bill Self is speaking about more than KU-MU.

Its the conference.

Its about being strong and not running to someone else because you can't make it work yourself.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 01:00 PM
:clap:

What a great post...

MU is manning up... KU is bending over...

Most retarded post I have ever seen you make.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:00 PM
Kansas City does just fine when it comes to Big 12 revenue.

Nothing is Texas. It will always be bigger. They will always spend more.

It doesn't mean others don't make a ton of money off them.

What does that have to do with your comment about wanting to stay in a conference that is "based right here" when your conference is based in Dallas, TX?

Columbia is 600 miles from Dallas and 675 miles from Atlanta. I'm sure the additional 15 minutes of flight time is going to be the deal-breaker.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 01:00 PM
When you're staying in a hotel in which several of the other rooms are engulfed in flames, you move to a different hotel. You don't stand in your room with a fire extinguisher and hope that the fire doesn't spread to your room in an attempt to stabilize the hotel.

There's no fire when you build your hotel right.

Weak links and faulty wiring make things burn.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 01:01 PM
KU is asking Mizzou to give up tens of millions of dollars in order to preserve the rivalry, but KU isn't willing to give up a non-con game against Colgate. If I needed any convincing that this was the right move, (I didn't), I've gotten it in spades today.

Plus, it is not like KU would lose money by switching from Colgate to Mizzou, either. They would probably make more money at Sprint Center.

Crush
10-05-2011, 01:01 PM
The last few pages of this thread:

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Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 01:01 PM
Bill Self is speaking about more than KU-MU.

Its the conference.

Its about being strong and not running to someone else because you can't make it work yourself.

I am like alot of my KU friends...

We dont give a shit about the Big 12 Cesspool... We want KU to land somewhere stable and growing..

This fucking joke of a conference can suck sweaty ball sack. Send KU to the Pac 16 or the B1G.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:02 PM
That's fucking bullshit.

You can tell yourself all you want, won't make it true.

Mizzou wants to play KU because it's the right thing to do, not because we are obligated to do so by the conference. If KU says no, then I guess the rivalry wasn't that important after all.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 01:02 PM
KU is willing to do all of those things you mention not by choice but becuase it has no other options at this point. They are also willing to do as they are told by Texas and OU and be treated as second class citizens. They are doing the same thing Mizzou did for many years. Mizzou now has a chance to step up and give Texas the finger on the way out the door and I am glad they are doing it.

I will miss the KU games but I will love seeing the likes of LSU, Bama, Florida, Auburn and others in Columbia more than I will miss KU, ISU KState and the others.

Mizzou is building a new tradional not resting on an old one.

KU isn't second class to those schools.

They make 2nd in 3rd tier to Texas. Texas has a population like 5 times that of Kansas.

Do none of you guys ever look at how much $$ these schools actually have?

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 01:02 PM
There's no fire when you build your hotel right.

Weak links and faulty wiring make things burn.

Enjoy your stay.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 01:03 PM
Um, if Mizzou offers to play, and ku says no, then it is obviously true you dumb ****ing sack of shit.

There is more to it than that. Granted, he is trying to exert what little influence he may have on the situation.

He will have nothing to gain from playing Mizzou, if the SEC deal goes down, nothing. KU treats WSU the same way, and it is a statewide issue annually.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 01:03 PM
There's no fire when you build your hotel right.

Weak links and faulty wiring make things burn.

Even if the BIG XII fixes its weak links and faulty wiring, Mizzou is leaving a Holiday Inn, and moving up to the Ritz Carlton. Who can blame Mizzou for that?

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:04 PM
Most retarded post I have ever seen you make.

LMAO

He's been making the same post ever since this whole Conference Armageddon started. Dude is completely oblivious to the fact that KU has no offers. Even if there were offers, though, it would be hard to say "No" to equal sharing and T1T2 rights surrender and commit to the B12.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 01:04 PM
What does that have to do with your comment about wanting to stay in a conference that is "based right here" when your conference is based in Dallas, TX?

Columbia is 600 miles from Dallas and 675 miles from Atlanta. I'm sure the additional 15 minutes of flight time is going to be the deal-breaker.

When I'm saying "based in" I'm referring to big time events ala Championship games and Tournament.

Those things stay in KC with the Big12.

With MU going to the SEC everything is gone in this area.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:05 PM
There's no fire when you build your hotel right.

Weak links and faulty wiring make things burn.

25% of the hotel has been burned to the ground, and you've said multiple times that you don't care that only the more expensive rooms get sprinklers.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:07 PM
When I'm saying "based in" I'm referring to big time events ala Championship games and Tournament.

Those things stay in KC with the Big12.

With MU going to the SEC everything is gone in this area.

That's not fair. Someone needs to tell the Big12 that KU is good at basketball. That should to the trick.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 01:07 PM
Enjoy your stay.

Is the mini bar free?

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:07 PM
25% of the hotel has been burned to the ground, and you've said multiple times that you don't care that only the more expensive rooms get sprinklers.

Everyone gets new sprinklers installed if MU agrees to it. Not that hard to understand, really.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 01:08 PM
There is more to it than that. Granted, he is trying to exert what little influence he may have on the situation.

He will have nothing to gain from playing Mizzou, if the SEC deal goes down, nothing. KU treats WSU the same way, and it is a statewide issue annually.

Oh please, it is all dramatics right now. A lot of ku fans can tip their hat to Mizzou because they can admit they want out of this Zombie Conference too. But the fringe minority feel like they can sit in the corner and scream to make it all go away.

Ku alums will want to still play Mizzou. It is your biggest rivalry by far. It would be silly to be so cruel to your own fans.

BigCatDaddy
10-05-2011, 01:09 PM
Even if the BIG XII fixes its weak links and faulty wiring, Mizzou is leaving a Holiday Inn, and moving up to the Ritz Carlton. Who can blame Mizzou for that?

Because they will never get to the Pent House in the Ritz?

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 01:09 PM
LMAO

He's been making the same post ever since this whole Conference Armageddon started. Dude is completely oblivious to the fact that KU has no offers. Even if there were offers, though, it would be hard to say "No" to equal sharing and T1T2 rights surrender and commit to the B12.

Yeah, but he is keeps suckling the MU cock more publicly every day. It is getting embarrassing.

I totally agree, on KU's situation, they are on the down cycle in FB (highest revenue sport) and MU has been on a 6 year up cycle.

I just hope like hell that K-State stomps a big mudhole right up the Tigers ass this Saturday. I imagine the rest of the Big 12 will be on the same side of the fence.

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 01:09 PM
Everyone gets new sprinklers installed if MU agrees to it. Not that hard to understand, really.

:hmmm:

Bambi
10-05-2011, 01:10 PM
25% of the hotel has been burned to the ground, and you've said multiple times that you don't care that only the more expensive rooms get sprinklers.

So you were out there petitioning the Big 12 when every school signed on to unregulated 3rd tier rights when the Big 12 began?

If so then I suppose I have no argument against your stance that MU should leave for the SEC.

I personally enjoy it when a school (Texas) outspends everyone else tenfold and still fields mediocre sports teams.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 01:10 PM
Everyone gets new sprinklers installed if MU agrees to it. Not that hard to understand, really.

I love you Pants.

October 25th!

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:11 PM
Everyone gets new sprinklers installed if MU agrees to it. Not that hard to understand, really.

That doesn't rebuild the rest of the burned-out shell of a hotel, and the two guests with the quickest access to the emergency exits are still setting off fireworks in the lobby.

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 01:12 PM
Oh please, it is all dramatics right now. A lot of ku fans can tip their hat to Mizzou because they can admit they want out of this Zombie Conference too. But the fringe minority feel like they can sit in the corner and scream to make it all go away.

Ku alums will want to still play Mizzou. It is your biggest rivalry by far. It would be silly to be so cruel to your own fans.

I can't expect you to understand, you are a football school. :D

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 01:13 PM
Because they will never get to the Pent House in the Ritz?

It is not like we ever got to the best room at Holiday Inn either. This is a great opportunity for Mizzou to make a penthouse run...more money, more exposure, and hopefully some better recruits. It will take time and effort, but the chance is there.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 01:13 PM
That doesn't rebuild the rest of the burned-out shell of a hotel, and the two guests with the quickest access to the emergency exits are still setting off fireworks in the lobby.

Exactly. The current B12 is just being used as safe place for the LHN to grow.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:15 PM
KU isn't second class to those schools.

They make 2nd in 3rd tier to Texas. Texas has a population like 5 times that of Kansas.

Do none of you guys ever look at how much $$ these schools actually have?

Yes. Your football team is the second-least profitable team of the original 12 teams at $4.3 million in net profit. Meanwhile, Texas has a profit of $65 million.

How close do you think basketball comes to bridging that gap?

Trevo_410
10-05-2011, 01:16 PM
You guys ever think that maybe Mizzou got tired of all the shit you've said through this whole thing? It seems like every school except ISU in the big12 has been a part of this group thought Missouri would never have the balls to change conferences...

"What has Missouri won? No-one would care of Missouri left."

"Easily Replaceable."

Something about us getting left out of the big10 last year...

So now that we're on the brink of leaving all this big12 all you guys are kissing our asses -- particularly most of the smaller schools including kU. We're doing what's doing best for us, not for you guys. The only negative about going to the SEC would be losing to the best football teams in the country. That's it.

vailpass
10-05-2011, 01:16 PM
Yes. Your football team is the second-least profitable team of the original 12 teams at $4.3 million in net profit. Meanwhile, Texas has a profit of $65 million.

How close do you think basketball comes to bridging that gap?

Not only does KU bball bridge that gap it surpasses it/wickeddumb

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:16 PM
So you were out there petitioning the Big 12 when every school signed on to unregulated 3rd tier rights when the Big 12 began?

If so then I suppose I have no argument against your stance that MU should leave for the SEC.

I personally enjoy it when a school (Texas) outspends everyone else tenfold and still fields mediocre sports teams.

No, I was like 16 years old and didn't focus on the business side of things.

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:17 PM
That doesn't rebuild the rest of the burned-out shell of a hotel, and the two guests with the quickest access to the emergency exits are still setting off fireworks in the lobby.

The burned out shell of a hotel? Each school is going to make more money as a result of that initial fire. Was it not reported that FOX was willing to keep the initial contract intact even after the TAMU departure?

If MU can make more money in the SEC dude to the inability to generate any kind of T3 here in the B12, then I can see why you would want to leave. If the school stands to make more money in the B12 than it would in the SEC and be guaranteed stability for the next 10 years, would you prefer MU to stay or leave?

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:19 PM
You guys ever think that maybe Mizzou got tired of all the shit you've said through this whole thing? It seems like every school except ISU in the big12 has been a part of this group thought Missouri would never have the balls to change conferences...

"What has Missouri won? No-one would care of Missouri left."

"Easily Replaceable."

Something about us getting left out of the big10 last year...

So now that we're on the brink of leaving all this big12 all you guys are kissing our asses -- particularly most of the smaller schools including kU. We're doing what's doing best for us, not for you guys. The only negative about going to the SEC would be losing to the best football teams in the country. That's it.

So it's all about the bruised ego for this kid. This is the reason 90% of the MU fans want to GTFO, I bet. Who's kissing your ass anyway, little buddy?

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 01:20 PM
The burned out shell of a hotel? Each school is going to make more money as a result of that initial fire. Was it not reported that FOX was willing to keep the initial contract intact even after the TAMU departure?

If MU can make more money in the SEC dude to the inability to generate any kind of T3 here in the B12, then I can see why you would want to leave. If the school stands to make more money in the B12 than it would in the SEC and be guaranteed stability for the next 10 years, would you prefer MU to stay or leave?

BIG XII might be able to guarantee stability for 10 years (I doubt it, Texas is not willing to commit that long), but no way BIG XII will be able to match SEC money, since the SEC is on the verge of creating an SEC network, which the BIG XII will never have because of the LHN in Texas. So your question is a non-starter until Texas decides to give up on LHN and help form a BIG XII network.

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:22 PM
BIG XII might be able to guarantee stability for 10 years (I doubt it, Texas is not willing to commit that long), but no way BIG XII will be able to match SEC money, since the SEC is on the verge of creating an SEC network, which the BIG XII will never have because of the LHN in Texas. So your question is a non-starter until Texas decides to give up on LHN and help form a BIG XII network.

Like I said, if MU stands to make more money in the SEC, by all means, you guys should have been out of here yesterday.

Crush
10-05-2011, 01:22 PM
DanBeebe (http://twitter.com/#%21/DanBeebe) Fake Dan Beebe
Has anybody in the Big 12 asked for permission to look elsewhere today? Still getting used to the Neinas way of things.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:23 PM
The burned out shell of a hotel? Each school is going to make more money as a result of that initial fire. Was it not reported that FOX was willing to keep the initial contract intact even after the TAMU departure?

If MU can make more money in the SEC dude to the inability to generate any kind of T3 here in the B12, then I can see why you would want to leave. If the school stands to make more money in the B12 than it would in the SEC and be guaranteed stability for the next 10 years, would you prefer MU to stay or leave?

I'd still prefer to leave, but the decision wouldn't be quite as easy. There has already been too much damage done, in my mind, to make it worth staying. The SEC will bring in a ton more in revenue than the Big XII under any model. The SEC doesn't have a history of screwing over our program by allowing shady back-room deals when it comes to bowl selections. The SEC doesn't have a bunch of teams constantly looking for a way to leave the rest of the conference high and dry.

Basically, the Big XII is proposing marriage as a way of assuring Mizzou that the Texas and Oklahoma schools will stop sleeping around the way they did when we were just living together. I'm not having it. If you're honest with yourself, you'd admit that KU would jump to the B1G in an instant if the offer were on the table.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:25 PM
Like I said, if MU stands to make more money in the SEC, by all means, you guys should have been out of here yesterday.

/tips cap

Now is the border-war worth preserving when there is no conference schedule to mandate playing each other, or was all that "rivalry" talk just a bunch of flowery talk that didn't really mean anything?

Frazod
10-05-2011, 01:27 PM
So it's all about the bruised ego for this kid. This is the reason 90% of the MU fans want to GTFO, I bet. Who's kissing your ass anyway, little buddy?

I'm not sensing much ass kissing, but it would probably be a good idea to put a padlock on the kid's pet rabbit cage, lest it end up boiling in a pot on the stove.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:28 PM
Who's kissing your ass anyway, little buddy?

Remember the good times! /Chuck Neinas

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:28 PM
/tips cap

Now is the border-war worth preserving when there is no conference schedule to mandate playing each other, or was all that "rivalry" talk just a bunch of flowery talk that didn't really mean anything?

I'm down for whatever is in the best interest of KU.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:31 PM
I'm down for whatever is in the best interest of KU.

And what is best for KU in your opinion?

1. "Punishing" Mizzou for doing what you have acknowledged is best for the university by refusing to keep the border-war alive

or

2. Playing a non-con game against your biggest rival even though you are no longer in the same conference a la Iowa-ISU

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:34 PM
And what is best for KU in your opinion?

1. "Punishing" Mizzou for doing what you have acknowledged is best for the university by refusing to keep the border-war alive

or

2. Playing a non-con game against your biggest rival even though you are no longer in the same conference a la Iowa-ISU

That depends. Are we going to play MU instead of tOSU for example? If that's the case, I think it would be in the best interest of KU to go ahead and play tOSU instead.

As far as football is concerned, I'd like to keep the Arrowhead showdown.

tooge
10-05-2011, 01:35 PM
Is the mini bar free?

Only for a few people in the hotel. You are not one of them

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:42 PM
That depends. Are we going to play MU instead of tOSU for example? If that's the case, I think it would be in the best interest of KU to go ahead and play tOSU instead.

As far as football is concerned, I'd like to keep the Arrowhead showdown.

Here's a list of non-con games that KU plays in 2011-12 that could be replaced by MU in the future:

Nov. 1 (Tuesday), Fort Hays State, Lawrence, Kan. (exhibition)

Nov. 8 (Tuesday), Pittsburg State, Lawrence, Kan. (exhibition)

Nov. 30 (Wednesday), Florida Atlantic, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 3 (Saturday), South Florida, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 6 (Tuesday), Long Beach State, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 19 (Monday), Davidson, Kansas City, Mo. (M&I Bank Kansas City Shootout at Sprint Center)

Dec. 22 (Thursday), at USC, Los Angeles, Calif.

Dec. 29 (Thursday), Howard, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 31 (Saturday), North Dakota, Lawrence, Kan.

Pants
10-05-2011, 01:47 PM
Here's a list of non-con games that KU plays in 2011-12 that could be replaced by MU in the future:

Nov. 1 (Tuesday), Fort Hays State, Lawrence, Kan. (exhibition)

Nov. 8 (Tuesday), Pittsburg State, Lawrence, Kan. (exhibition)

Nov. 30 (Wednesday), Florida Atlantic, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 3 (Saturday), South Florida, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 6 (Tuesday), Long Beach State, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 19 (Monday), Davidson, Kansas City, Mo. (M&I Bank Kansas City Shootout at Sprint Center)

Dec. 22 (Thursday), at USC, Los Angeles, Calif.

Dec. 29 (Thursday), Howard, Lawrence, Kan.

Dec. 31 (Saturday), North Dakota, Lawrence, Kan.

The USC game is probably a part of the Big12/Pac12 deal.

Is MU willing to come to Lawrence for the non-con game? I figured it would have to be a home/away deal or in the Sprint Center. Of course, if it's going to make KU more money playing you guys at the Sprint Center than it would playing any of those schools in Lawrence, then I would be all for replacing one of those games for it. Other than that, it would have to be an M&I classic, but I don't know who schedules those.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 01:52 PM
KK should be good coming up here in a few.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 01:58 PM
The USC game is probably a part of the Big12/Pac12 deal.

Is MU willing to come to Lawrence for the non-con game? I figured it would have to be a home/away deal or in the Sprint Center. Of course, if it's going to make KU more money playing you guys at the Sprint Center than it would playing any of those schools in Lawrence, then I would be all for replacing one of those games for it. Other than that, it would have to be an M&I classic, but I don't know who schedules those.

I would think it would be in the Sprint Center for basketball and Arrowhead in football.

Let's face it. The only reason to turn down the game would be to send a "screw you" to Mizzou. You've already acknowledged that Mizzou has to take the boat-load of cash in the SEC, so why is there a need for the hostility?

Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does. Most Kansans live within an hour of Missouri. Only about a third of Missourians live within an hour of Kansas. You're our biggest rival, but we'll move on.

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

What if shit really hits the fan and OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech wind up in the PAC and the B1G doesn't want to expand for at least a few years? Suddenly, KU finds itself in some garbage conference, and they don't even have Mizzou on the schedule. Is that risk really worth "teaching MU a lesson"?

Pants
10-05-2011, 02:00 PM
I would think it would be in the Sprint Center for basketball and Arrowhead in football.

Let's face it. The only reason to turn down the game would be to send a "screw you" to Mizzou. You've already acknowledged that Mizzou has to take the boat-load of cash in the SEC, so why is there a need for the hostility?

Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does. Most Kansans live within an hour of Missouri. Only about a third of Missourians live within an hour of Kansas. You're our biggest rival, but we'll move on.

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

What if shit really hits the fan and OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech wind up in the PAC and the B1G doesn't want to expand for at least a few years? Suddenly, KU finds itself in some garbage conference, and they don't even have Mizzou on the schedule. Is that risk really worth "teaching MU a lesson"?

I don't think in terms of teaching anyone a lesson. I'm a pragmatist when it comes to this.

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:02 PM
I would think it would be in the Sprint Center for basketball and Arrowhead in football.

Let's face it. The only reason to turn down the game would be to send a "screw you" to Mizzou. You've already acknowledged that Mizzou has to take the boat-load of cash in the SEC, so why is there a need for the hostility?

Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does. Most Kansans live within an hour of Missouri. Only about a third of Missourians live within an hour of Kansas. You're our biggest rival, but we'll move on.

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

What if shit really hits the fan and OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech wind up in the PAC and the B1G doesn't want to expand for at least a few years? Suddenly, KU finds itself in some garbage conference, and they don't even have Mizzou on the schedule. Is that risk really worth "teaching MU a lesson"?

You are right. KU gets fired up for Mizzou. In fact, when Mizzou came in town ranked in 2003, the #23 largest crowd in Memorial Stadium history showed up to see KU defeat them.

That is the largest crowd in history to see KU vs Mizzou in Lawrence. The 23rd largest overall.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:06 PM
You are right. KU gets fired up for Mizzou. In fact, when Mizzou came in town ranked in 2003, the #23 largest crowd in Memorial Stadium history showed up to see KU defeat them.

That is the largest crowd in history to see KU vs Mizzou in Lawrence. The 23rd largest overall.

What's your point when the discussion is a game at Arrowhead? The most watched football game in 2007 in the entire country was the border-war at Arrowhead. More people watched that game than any game in KU history. More people attended that game than have ever attended a game in Lawrence.

K-State doesn't have any rivals, just a big brother, so it makes sense that you wouldn't understand.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:07 PM
I would think it would be in the Sprint Center for basketball and Arrowhead in football.

Let's face it. The only reason to turn down the game would be to send a "screw you" to Mizzou. You've already acknowledged that Mizzou has to take the boat-load of cash in the SEC, so why is there a need for the hostility?

Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does. Most Kansans live within an hour of Missouri. Only about a third of Missourians live within an hour of Kansas. You're our biggest rival, but we'll move on.

I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...

What if shit really hits the fan and OU, OSU, Texas, and Tech wind up in the PAC and the B1G doesn't want to expand for at least a few years? Suddenly, KU finds itself in some garbage conference, and they don't even have Mizzou on the schedule. Is that risk really worth "teaching MU a lesson"?

Kansas and Texas have a great rivalry in basketball.

Why would you not include it in your list there?

Mr. Plow
10-05-2011, 02:08 PM
I would think that KU needs the rivalry more than MU, but I don't know that for certain. Mizzou's base is going to be fired up for Florida and Bama and Tenn and LSU and Kentucky and Auburn and Georgia and Arkansas... KU has to get fired up for K-State and Iowa State and Baylor and Texas Tech and BYU(?) and Cincy(?)...


One question because this keeps popping up - KU has to get fired up for KSU/ISU/BU/etc & MU has to get up for Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/etc.....


But, do Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/LSU/Auburn/Georgia have to get fired up for MU?

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:08 PM
You are right. KU gets fired up for Mizzou. In fact, when Mizzou came in town ranked in 2003, the #23 largest crowd in Memorial Stadium history showed up to see KU defeat them.

That is the largest crowd in history to see KU vs Mizzou in Lawrence. The 23rd largest overall.

hmpf, weird

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:09 PM
What's your point when the discussion is a game at Arrowhead? The most watched football game in 2007 in the entire country was the border-war at Arrowhead. More people watched that game than any game in KU history. More people attended that game than have ever attended a game in Lawrence.

K-State doesn't have any rivals, just a big brother, so it makes sense that you wouldn't understand.

Pffft. Either side would be pretty dumb to agree to another Arrowhead series. Unless either team is really good people won't show up.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:09 PM
Kansas and Texas have a great rivalry in basketball.

Why would you not include it in your list there?

Kansas considers Texas to be a rival in basketball. Texas couldn't care less about basketball.

Pants
10-05-2011, 02:10 PM
Pffft. Either side would be pretty dumb to agree to another Arrowhead series. Unless either team is really good people won't show up.

How do you feel about Farmageddon?

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:10 PM
hmpf, weird

Yeah, I figured "bitter rivals" like that would draw a better crowd.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:11 PM
One question because this keeps popping up - KU has to get fired up for KSU/ISU/BU/etc & MU has to get up for Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/etc.....


But, do Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/LSU/Auburn/Georgia have to get fired up for MU?

I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about those schools filling their stadiums when Mizzou or any other team comes to town.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:11 PM
Florida doesn't share their third tier?

Interesting...

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:11 PM
How do you feel about Farmageddon?

Hilarious and stupid, a forced rivalry, like whatever SEC team might be unfortunate enough to develop a "rivalry" with Mizzou.

Mr. Plow
10-05-2011, 02:12 PM
I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about those schools filling their stadiums when Mizzou or any other team comes to town.

I'm sure they have no issue doing that regardless of the team coming. It wasn't a question about whether or not MU coming in would sell out the stadium.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:12 PM
Yeah, I figured "bitter rivals" like that would draw a better crowd.

A sellout crowd is a sellout crowd. It's a stupid point if one game had 11 more attendees than another because they happened to allow more standing room tickets that game.

Why don't you compare the average home crowd in Lawrence against the average crowd when Mizzou is in town?

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:13 PM
I'm sure they have no issue doing that regardless of the team coming. It wasn't a question about whether or not MU coming in would sell out the stadium.

I would say that, if you put 90,000 people in a stadium, the fanbase is fired up. The answer to your question is yes.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:13 PM
Kansas considers Texas to be a rival in basketball. Texas couldn't care less about basketball.

yeah, they just hang banners to keep the cobwebs out.

Something your school knows nothing about

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Frank_Erwin_Center.jpg

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:14 PM
Florida doesn't share their third tier?

Interesting...

All SEC teams will be sharing the third tier here in the next year or so when the SEC network gets formed. That is when the SEC revenues will greatly pull ahead of anything the BIG XII does.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:15 PM
yeah, they just hang banners to keep the cobwebs out.

Something your school knows nothing about

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Frank_Erwin_Center.jpg

If you want to pretend that Texas cares about basketball because they hang banners when they make the NCAA tournament in their basketball arena, keep fucking that chicken.

Trevo_410
10-05-2011, 02:16 PM
One question because this keeps popping up - KU has to get fired up for KSU/ISU/BU/etc & MU has to get up for Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/etc.....


But, do Florida/Alabama/Tennessee/LSU/Auburn/Georgia have to get fired up for MU?

No they don't... because there are other competive teams in the division no matter if it's an off year or whatever. What most people are saying is besides texas and maybe kstate.... who does kU look forward to playing in basketball in the future; or what games would bring enough attention to be aired on national television?

Same thing with Oklahoma and Texas in football.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 02:16 PM
Florida doesn't share their third tier?

Interesting...

No it's not, this has been discussed numerous time on here and you have even commented on it.

And then you point out ku's tier 3 revenue as if that has anything to do with any of this.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:16 PM
I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about those schools filling their stadiums when Mizzou or any other team comes to town.

Seems like Ku isn't the only local school that has trouble filling its stadium.

This was taken this year.

We're a football school!

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9862/screenshot20111005at315.png

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:18 PM
If you want to pretend that Texas cares about basketball because they hang banners when they make the NCAA tournament in their basketball arena, keep ****ing that chicken.

There are 3 Final Fours up there dipshit.

LMAO

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:19 PM
Seems like Ku isn't the only local school that has trouble filling its stadium.

This was taken this year.

We're a football school!

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9862/screenshot20111005at315.png

You have to be the biggest idiot on the board. It was Miami of Ohio, and even with that, the stadium is far from empty.

Bearcat
10-05-2011, 02:19 PM
What's your point when the discussion is a game at Arrowhead? The most watched football game in 2007 in the entire country was the border-war at Arrowhead. More people watched that game than any game in KU history. More people attended that game than have ever attended a game in Lawrence.

K-State doesn't have any rivals, just a big brother, so it makes sense that you wouldn't understand.

Makes sense, since the stadium is bigger.

"Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does" contradicts "you're our biggest rival".... but, it all depends on who is superior at the time. In BB, of course KU isn't going to care about MU nearly as much as MU cares. In FB, I don't know why MU would care at all about KU, since they've made strides towards playing with the big boys... but, since it's at Arrowhead at the end of the season, it's basically KU's SB.

Pants
10-05-2011, 02:19 PM
No they don't... because there are other competive teams in the division no matter if it's an off year or whatever. What most people are saying is besides texas and maybe kstate.... who does kU look forward to playing in basketball in the future; or what games would bring enough attention to be aired on national television?

Same thing with Oklahoma and Texas in football.

Texas and Oklahoma get televised nationally because they're Texas and Oklahoma regardless of who they're playing. Why do you think they make so much money? The curb stomp that is going to be OU vs KU is going to be on ESPN 2 if you need an example.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:22 PM
No worries KU fans....KK seems to think that Mizzou is going to stay.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 02:22 PM
Seems like Ku isn't the only local school that has trouble filling its stadium.

This was taken this year.

We're a football school!

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9862/screenshot20111005at315.png

There were about 7,000 more people at that game where that picture was taken than your stadium can even hold.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:23 PM
According to KK, Mizzou fans are just arrogant and think they are superior. He is so full of shit.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:23 PM
Seems like Ku isn't the only local school that has trouble filling its stadium.

This was taken this year.

We're a football school!

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9862/screenshot20111005at315.png

You got me there.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/ku_bkc_washburn_12_t440.jpg

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:24 PM
You got me there.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/ku_bkc_washburn_12_t440.jpg

And Wickedson gets owned.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:26 PM
"Mizzou doesn't really care about the rivalry as much as Kansas does" contradicts "you're our biggest rival".... but, it all depends on who is superior at the time. In BB, of course KU isn't going to care about MU nearly as much as MU cares. In FB, I don't know why MU would care at all about KU, since they've made strides towards playing with the big boys... but, since it's at Arrowhead at the end of the season, it's basically KU's SB.

It doesn't contradict anything. Kansas is Missouri's biggest rival, but the rivalry matters more to KU fans than it does to MU fans. That's not a swipe at either team. It's a matter of geography. Most Kansas fans interact with people from Missouri every day because they live near Missouri. That's not true of Missouri fans because Missouri has more people in the eastern part of Missouri than Kansas has people in the western part of Kansas.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 02:27 PM
You got me there.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/ku_bkc_washburn_12_t440.jpg

LMAO

Raiderhader
10-05-2011, 02:28 PM
If you want to pretend that Texas cares about basketball because they hang banners when they make the NCAA tournament in their basketball arena, keep ****ing that chicken.


I live in Texas and I can tell you they don't. If the team is doing well people will watch and get semi-excited about it. After a loss they just say, "eh, it's basketball, who cares."


LOL @ Mizzou fans pretending that the Border War means more to KU than it does to them.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:29 PM
Mizzou is full of pride, ego, and spite. KU has none of the those things, according to KK.

Coach
10-05-2011, 02:29 PM
Missouri gotta do what Missouri gotta do. The question begs though, is, are they really going to be that competitve in the SEC than they are in the Big XII?

I'm not so sure that Missouri football is going to be able to handle teams like Alabama, LSU, and Auburn to name a few (assuming they go, and possibly get placed in the SEC West)

But just trying to talk "sports" instead of this ole' bullshit of who's fault is who, etc.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:29 PM
Damn KK taking this pretty far.

"Bill Self (KU) are being the bigger man"

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:29 PM
And Wickedson gets owned.

You'll note that the picture was taken midway through the second half, so it's not like the game was almost over.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-05-2011, 02:30 PM
Wicked brings the average IQ of a Beaker down tenfold

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:31 PM
You got me there.

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/ku_bkc_washburn_12_t440.jpg

KU's isn't the one making noise here.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 02:31 PM
LOL, KK saying Mizzou would be the hero if they stay.

Hahaha

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:32 PM
LOL @ Mizzou fans pretending that the Border War means more to KU than it does to them.

It doesn't mean more to your average KU fan than it does to me personally. I live in Kansas, 40 minutes from Lawrence. I deal with beakers on a daily basis. The same isn't true of people in St. Louis. It's still a big rivalry, but it doesn't feel the same when you're 5 hours away from the other state.

Trevo_410
10-05-2011, 02:32 PM
I live in Texas and I can tell you they don't. If the team is doing well people will watch and get semi-excited about it. After a loss they just say, "eh, it's basketball, who cares."


LOL @ Mizzou fans pretending that the Border War means more to KU than it does to them.

That's why we're about to leave the conference and kU in the dust.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 02:32 PM
KU's isn't the one making noise here.

We know.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:33 PM
LOL, KK saying Mizzou would be the hero if they stay.

Hahaha

I think most Mizzou fans at this point don't want to be a hero, they want to an equal...and equal standing member of the SEC.

DeezNutz
10-05-2011, 02:33 PM
Damn KK taking this pretty far.

"Bill Self (KU) are being the bigger man"

This post might get KU removed from the AAU.

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:34 PM
Missouri gotta do what Missouri gotta do. The question begs though, is, are they really going to be that competitve in the SEC than they are in the Big XII?

I'm not so sure that Missouri football is going to be able to handle teams like Alabama, LSU, and Auburn to name a few (assuming they go, and possibly get placed in the SEC West)

But just trying to talk "sports" instead of this ole' bullshit of who's fault is who, etc.

Mizzou fans think they will be competitive.

Everyone else seems to think they will be less competitive.

So, I don't believe this up for rational discussion.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:34 PM
And Wickedson gets owned.

He posted a pic from a game played against Washburn.

Its an exhibition. A scrimmage

Here's the link to the photo

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/ku_bkc_washburn_12_t440.jpg

Heres a link to the box score.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/nov/03/slash-and-burn-marcus-morris-torches-bods/

next.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:35 PM
KU's isn't the one making noise here.

You're the one insinuating that a picture of a 71,000 seat stadium that is only 80% filled proves that Mizzou has a tough time filling the stadium.

I just showed you a picture of a 16,000 seat stadium that is only 20% full. I guess Kansas has a tough time filling AFH.

Raiderhader
10-05-2011, 02:35 PM
That's why we're about to leave the conference and kU in the dust.


Dueces

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:36 PM
You have to be the biggest idiot on the board. It was Miami of Ohio, and even with that, the stadium is far from empty.

It was a real game. The season opener.

I have no problem with the crowd.

Just posting MU's reality.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:37 PM
You're the one insinuating that a picture of a 71,000 seat stadium that is only 80% filled proves that Mizzou has a tough time filling the stadium.

I just showed you a picture of a 16,000 seat stadium that is only 20% full. I guess Kansas has a tough time filling AFH.

Exhibition.

Maybe I'll post a pic of your spring game.

Would that make you happy?

DeezNutz
10-05-2011, 02:38 PM
Mizzou fans think they will be competitive.

Everyone else seems to think they will be less competitive.

So, I don't believe this up for rational discussion.

I believe that most MU fans expect to be Arkansas-like. Basically, a solid program and one that is consistently in the top 25. That's where Mizzou should be, regardless of conference affiliation.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:38 PM
It was a real game. The season opener.

I have no problem with the crowd.

Just posting MU's reality.

And, as was stated earlier in the thread, there are more fans in that photo than KU's stadium even holds. So shut up and sit down.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:39 PM
Here's a quote from Jordan Webb, QB for the University of Kansas discussing the fan support at the Tech game.

"It's tough on us because we're beating a Big 12 opponent at halftime then we come out of the locker room and see everybody walk out, it's kind of like well thanks for the support. It's something we can't focus on," Webb said. "We have to try and play our game no matter what. It definitely hurts when you're playing well and there isn't much support."

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:39 PM
He posted a pic from a game played against Washburn.

Its an exhibition. A scrimmage

Here's the link to the photo

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/ku_bkc_washburn_12_t440.jpg

Heres a link to the box score.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2010/nov/03/slash-and-burn-marcus-morris-torches-bods/

next.

Not to support your claim, but in that box score there is no #4. (the PG carrying the ball)

I think that is actually a photo of a womens basketball game.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:39 PM
And, as was stated earlier in the thread, there are more fans in that photo than KU's stadium even holds. So shut up and sit down.

I have no problem with the size of the crowd.

Why do I have to keep repeating that.

I was you season opener.

Reality hurts sometimes.

DJ's left nut
10-05-2011, 02:40 PM
There were about 7,000 more people at that game where that picture was taken than your stadium can even hold.

http://images.creaturesinmyhead.com/creatures/090304-bangbang.gif

DeezNutz
10-05-2011, 02:40 PM
Reality hurts sometimes.

LMAO. Indeed.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 02:41 PM
Reality hurts sometimes.

It doesn't. Not for Missouri anyway.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:41 PM
Not to support your claim, but in that box score there is no #4. (the PG carrying the ball)

I think that is actually a photo of a womens basketball game.

Right, that's Sherron I think.

Musta been this one.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2008/nov/04/live_allen_fieldhouse_newell_post_live/

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:41 PM
Just to pat myself on the back, and to lighten the mood, enjoy goEMAW.com proposed SEC divisional names:

http://goemaw.com/forum/index.php?topic=15166.0

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:42 PM
It doesn't. Not for Missouri anyway.

Really?

I figured years of mediocrity woulda caught up with you eventually.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:42 PM
I have no problem with the size of the crowd.

Why do I have to keep repeating that.

I was you season opener.

Reality hurts sometimes.

Mizzou, for its season opener, had more fans attend than the capacity at KU.

You are trying to paint the crowd as a lowly attended game, and that Mizzou is not a football school. You are full of it and wrong.

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 02:43 PM
It doesn't. Not for Missouri anyway.

Just wait.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:43 PM
Just to pat myself on the back, and to lighten the mood, enjoy goEMAW.com proposed SEC divisional names:

http://goemaw.com/forum/index.php?topic=15166.0

I like Jack Daniels and Jim Beam.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:43 PM
KK says both divisions in the SEC have a team equivalent to OU and Texas.

If Mizzou is in the SEC East, I don't see it. Other than Florida, I think Mizzou could compete with the others in that division.

In the west, with AL and LSU, would be tougher.

Coach
10-05-2011, 02:44 PM
Mizzou fans think they will be competitive.

Everyone else seems to think they will be less competitive.

So, I don't believe this up for rational discussion.

Yes, I do admit that I am a KSU fan, but even when I DO put my homerism on the side, I'm just not so sure that Missouri will be able to be competitive against Alabama.

Yes, I am aware that Missouri had a lead over then #1 Oklahoma, but honestly, I think comparing Oklahoma to Alabama is apples and oranges. It's my opinion that Alabama is much much better team than Oklahoma is.

But then again, I guess that's why we play the games, eh? Either way, if Missouri fans are content on going to SEC and get SEC $ and whatever else, and at the same time, probably be a doormat for the SEC (like Vandy), well, more power to them.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 02:44 PM
KK says both divisions in the SEC have a team equivalent to OU and Texas.

If Mizzou is in the SEC East, I don't see it. Other than Florida, I think Mizzou could compete with the others in that division.

In the west, with AL and LSU, would be tougher.

Oklahoma...who we beat last year. Who we just played in their house as well as anyone has in years.

Bambi
10-05-2011, 02:44 PM
Mizzou, for its season opener, had more fans attend than the capacity at KU.

You are trying to paint the crowd as a lowly attended game, and that Mizzou is not a football school. You are full of it and wrong.

That's a pretty hefty "80%"...

KcMizzou
10-05-2011, 02:46 PM
KK "Kansas City is not on Mizzou's radar. They don't care about us."

:deevee:

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 02:46 PM
Yes, I do admit that I am a KSU fan, but even when I DO put my homerism on the side, I'm just not so sure that Missouri will be able to be competitive against Alabama.

Yes, I am aware that Missouri had a lead over then #1 Oklahoma, but honestly, I think comparing Oklahoma to Alabama is apples and oranges. It's my opinion that Alabama is much much better team than Oklahoma is.

But then again, I guess that's why we play the games, eh? Either way, if Missouri fans are content on going to SEC and get SEC $ and whatever else, and at the same time, probably be a doormat for the SEC (like Vandy), well, more power to them.

lol.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:46 PM
Mizzou, for its season opener, had more fans attend than the capacity at KU.

You are trying to paint the crowd as a lowly attended game, and that Mizzou is not a football school. You are full of it and wrong.

The corners are also the visitors sections.

Coach
10-05-2011, 02:47 PM
I believe that most MU fans expect to be Arkansas-like. Basically, a solid program and one that is consistently in the top 25. That's where Mizzou should be, regardless of conference affiliation.

Well, good luck with that, IMHO, especially facing LSU and Alabama to name a few. I just have my doubts that MU will be that type of a level. I think MU can be a solid program and consistently in the top 25 in the Big XII, than in the SEC.

Bearcat
10-05-2011, 02:47 PM
It doesn't mean more to your average KU fan than it does to me personally. I live in Kansas, 40 minutes from Lawrence. I deal with beakers on a daily basis. The same isn't true of people in St. Louis. It's still a big rivalry, but it doesn't feel the same when you're 5 hours away from the other state.

I guess I could see that for an MU fan in St. Louis, who might end up hating Illinois more or whatever... but, for anyone who went to either school, I don't think it really goes away just because you live in St. Louis and not KC.

Like I said, the whole "who cares more" thing is about superiority.... KU FB would cling onto beating Mizzou, but KU BB just wants to escape Columbia with a victory. And it's the opposite for MU. I've lived with MU fans, and of course they're everywhere around KC, but it doesn't mean I really care about the rivalry.

If MU goes to the SEC, of course they aren't going to miss playing KU in football every season, and I don't see why they would want to schedule an out of conference rival when the SEC is already going to be brutal. And I don't think KU would miss MU in BB, which is probably one reason Self said they won't go out of their way to schedule them.

DeezNutz
10-05-2011, 02:47 PM
Fuck you! You should be happy here, bastards!!!

http://www.cookingmonster.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/titanic-sinking.jpg

Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 02:49 PM
Its funny to see all the butt hurt KU fans here.. so now were are down to posting pictures of peoples empty stadiums and talking attendace smack.

Jesus. MU is doing the right thing... Bailing on a failing conference is the RIGHT thing to do.

I am envy of MU and the SEC... Nothing the Big 12 does now will make a shit difference. It appears its a sinking ship full of junk.

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 02:49 PM
Its funny to see all the butt hurt KU fans here.. so now were are down to posting pictures of peoples empty stadiums and talking attendace smack.

Jesus. MU is doing the right thing... Bailing on a failing conference is the RIGHT thing to do.

I am envy of MU and the SEC... Nothing the Big 12 does now will make a shit difference. It appears its a sinking ship full of junk.

Actually, they are down to posting pictures of people's stadiums with a shit load of fans in them.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 02:49 PM
KK "Kansas City is not on Mizzou's radar. They don't care about us."

:deevee:

Mizzou will ruin the entire US economy if they go to the SEC.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 02:50 PM
Its funny to see all the butt hurt KU fans here.. so now were are down to posting pictures of peoples empty stadiums and talking attendace smack.

Jesus. MU is doing the right thing... Bailing on a failing conference is the RIGHT thing to do.

I am envy of MU and the SEC... Nothing the Big 12 does now will make a shit difference. It appears its a sinking ship full of junk.

Thanks, wish more of them could take the blinders off and see reality.

Coach
10-05-2011, 02:50 PM
lol.

Apparently you don't agree. Well, let me help you here. Instead of just using one liners, which you have been doing a lot these days, how about presenting your case. Words. Use them. Helpful ones at that.

Mr. Plow
10-05-2011, 02:50 PM
Its funny to see all the butt hurt KU fans here.. so now were are down to posting pictures of peoples empty stadiums and talking attendace smack.

Jesus. MU is doing the right thing... Bailing on a failing conference is the RIGHT thing to do.

I am envy of MU and the SEC... Nothing the Big 12 does now will make a shit difference. It appears its a sinking ship full of junk.


You keep outdoing yourself.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:51 PM
I guess I could see that for an MU fan in St. Louis, who might end up hating Illinois more or whatever... but, for anyone who went to either school, I don't think it really goes away just because you live in St. Louis and not KC.

Like I said, the whole "who cares more" thing is about superiority.... KU FB would cling onto beating Mizzou, but KU BB just wants to escape Columbia with a victory. And it's the opposite for MU. I've lived with MU fans, and of course they're everywhere around KC, but it doesn't mean I really care about the rivalry.

If MU goes to the SEC, of course they aren't going to miss playing KU in football every season, and I don't see why they would want to schedule an out of conference rival when the SEC is already going to be brutal. And I don't think KU would miss MU in BB, which is probably one reason Self said they won't go out of their way to schedule them.

It doesn't go away at all, but it's not as intense when you don't have to go to work the next day with fans of the other team. That's just human nature.

As far as the conference schedule being brutal in the SEC, that's why Mizzou would want to play a non-con against KU. We could use a cupcake to fatten ourselves up.

Truthfully, the KU/MU game would be the biggest game of the year for Kansas football. It would be about the 5th biggest for Mizzou football.

Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 02:51 PM
Actually, they are down to posting pictures of people's stadiums with a shit load of fans in them.

Either/Or...

KU fans should be pissed and jealous of MU now... IF you guys bail, we will still be here with Texas's dick in our hands asking them if they would like us to cup the ball sack as well...

|Zach|
10-05-2011, 02:52 PM
Apparently you don't agree. Well, let me help you here. Instead of just using one liners, how about presenting your case. Words. Use them. Helpful ones at that.

You went from you don't think they can compete with Alabama...then jumped to they will be a doormat.

In recent years they beat Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl. Beat Ol Miss in Oxford. They are 5-1 recently against SEC teams.

Missouri isn't a stranger to big time football. Will it be harder? Yes. Will they be a doormat? lol.

Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 02:52 PM
You keep outdoing yourself.

Its amazing isnt it...

Reaper16
10-05-2011, 02:53 PM
KK "Kansas City is not on Mizzou's radar. They don't care about us."

:deevee:
KK is right about that, for better or for worse.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 02:54 PM
Biggest game of the year? Texas/OU?

The fuck?

Mr. Plow
10-05-2011, 02:55 PM
The fuck?

Well, since you caught it before I deleted. I meant it as far as big named team, OU/UT would be a bigger game. As far as mutual hate, MU would be a bigger game. Depends on how you look at it. Either way, it's generally a loss for KU.

Trevo_410
10-05-2011, 02:56 PM
i think because we would be playing a much better value of teams in the sec, the appeal in KC should stay the same, especially for pure football college fans.

Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 02:56 PM
You went from you don't think they can compete with Alabama...then jumped to they will be a doormat.

In recent years they beat Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl. Beat Ol Miss in Oxford. They are 5-1 recently against SEC teams.

Missouri isn't a stranger to big time football. Will it be harder? Yes. Will they be a doormat? lol.

IF the SEC went to KU and said come on, we want your basketball history...

Every KU fan in the world would tell Texas and OU to cram it up their cram holes were going to the SEC...

In the blink of an eye.

Coach
10-05-2011, 02:57 PM
You went from you don't think they can compete with Alabama...then jumped to they will be a doormat.

In recent years they beat Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl. Beat Ol Miss in Oxford. They are 5-1 recently against SEC teams.

Missouri isn't a stranger to big time football. Will it be harder? Yes. Will they be a doormat? lol.

Well, good case. The issue here is, the talent in SEC is far much more superior than it is in the Big XII. Instead of playing a 2-8 Kansas team, most likely you will be playing a 3-7 Vanderbilt team, or 4-6 Arkansas team.

Hell, if KSU did go to the SEC, I would be somewhat concerned about how they would actually fare against teams like those, to be truthful with you.

Either way, I'm not so sure if I want to move a team that has been recently in the middle pack to the top level of the Big XII to be in a middle pack to the bottom of a SEC.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 02:57 PM
KC is not on Mizzou's radar. I am okay with that. Love to hear KK and the like on the radio talking like Mizzou should give up millions of dollars, just to support KC. This is a ridiculous notion.

kstater
10-05-2011, 02:58 PM
Just to pat myself on the back, and to lighten the mood, enjoy goEMAW.com proposed SEC divisional names:

http://goemaw.com/forum/index.php?topic=15166.0

Cartierfor3 wins that thread.

Saulbadguy
10-05-2011, 03:00 PM
IF the SEC went to KU and said come on, we want your basketball history...

Every KU fan in the world would tell Texas and OU to cram it up their cram holes were going to the SEC...

In the blink of an eye.

I don't get it.

I honestly want the Big XII to work. Fuck the criminals in the $EC. Fuck the slow, boring as shit Big 10. Fuck 'em all, i'd rather stay put and enjoy the historic rivalries we've had with the old Big 8 members, and keep beating the shit out of Texas in every sport.

Crush
10-05-2011, 03:01 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gIfr9AlP-ykUw5tXoVBO2SMjoELw?docId=f31e09fa60134a4c8ec0baaa102dd982

Athletic directors meeting at SEC headquarters
By JOHN ZENOR, AP Sports Writer 2 hours ago

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) SEC athletic directors and Commissioner Mike Slive met Wednesday to discuss the logistics of Texas A&M's entry as the 13th member even though No. 14 might soon be on its way.

The meeting comes a day after University of Missouri curators voted unanimously to consider leaving the Big 12 likely to join the Southeastern Conference instead of committing to the league for the long term. However, SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said the AD meeting at league headquarters was scheduled several weeks ago.

"The focus of the meeting is the integration of Texas A&M into the Southeastern Conference," Bloom said, adding that the majority of the day would be spent discussing scheduling with 13 teams.

Other athletic department staffers and the transition team formed after Texas A&M's admission into the league also participated in the meeting in a conference room in the downtown Birmingham offices that was still ongoing Wednesday afternoon.

Slive has said he would prepare to go into next year as if there will be 13 teams, which would create unbalanced divisions. As for adding a 14th, he has emphasized that the SEC would be "strategic and thoughtful" in expansion, but shed little light otherwise on the league's plans.

SEC school administrators have indicated that adding a 14th school is likely, perhaps imminent.

South Carolina President Harris Pastides has said he doesn't "think 13 is a sustainable number, but I think 14 is." He added that he doesn't advocate growing to a 16-team league.

Tennessee athletic director Dave Hart has said the SEC will expand again but that members need to be deliberate in taking that next step.

The vote by Missouri curators makes the Tigers a leading contender.

The Big 12 said Monday that presidents and chancellors of the remaining nine members including Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton have agreed to equal revenue sharing and to seek approval from each university to hand over the most lucrative television rights to the conference for six years.

Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Reaper16
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
I don't get it.

I honestly want the Big XII to work. Fuck the criminals in the $EC. Fuck the slow, boring as shit Big 10. Fuck 'em all, i'd rather stay put and enjoy the historic rivalries we've had with the old Big 8 members, and keep beating the shit out of Texas in every sport.
I want it too, but that is not realistic. It makes me legitimately sad.

Reerun_KC
10-05-2011, 03:02 PM
I don't get it.

I honestly want the Big XII to work. **** the criminals in the $EC. **** the slow, boring as shit Big 10. **** 'em all, i'd rather stay put and enjoy the historic rivalries we've had with the old Big 8 members, and keep beating the shit out of Texas in every sport.

Because in the end the conference most likely will not survive thanks to Texas.

Why waste time here when you can go ahead and get established in a real BCS conference?

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 03:03 PM
I don't get it.

I honestly want the Big XII to work. Fuck the criminals in the $EC. Fuck the slow, boring as shit Big 10. Fuck 'em all, i'd rather stay put and enjoy the historic rivalries we've had with the old Big 8 members, and keep beating the shit out of Texas in every sport.

Mizzou: Gone
Nebraska: Gone
Colorado: Gone

Oklahoma: One foot out the door
Oklahoma State: One foot out the door

It's you, Kansas, Iowa State, and a bunch of Texas schools. Hooray for tradition.

Bowser
10-05-2011, 03:04 PM
KK should be good coming up here in a few.I listened to his monologue, nothing more. You know what Keitzman sounded like? The fat bridesmaid that drunkenly laments at the end of the night why she can't get anyone to date her. It was pathetically embarrassing. My personal favorite part was where he was hyping up Mike DeArmond's quotes from St. John's show (GOLD), only to say after he played them that he didn't want to get too deep into what he said. I was almost embarrassed for him.

Its funny to see all the butt hurt KU fans here.. so now were are down to posting pictures of peoples empty stadiums and talking attendace smack.

Jesus. MU is doing the right thing... Bailing on a failing conference is the RIGHT thing to do.

I am envy of MU and the SEC... Nothing the Big 12 does now will make a shit difference. It appears its a sinking ship full of junk.

Well spoken. Try and make Wickedson see the light, would you?

Crush
10-05-2011, 03:05 PM
sptwri (http://twitter.com/#%21/sptwri) Mike DeArmond
Charles Bloom of the SEC just emailed that there will be no statement today out of the Southeastern Conference on the Missouri situation.

Saul Good
10-05-2011, 03:05 PM
I want it too, but that is not realistic. It makes me legitimately sad.

It's too bad we won't get fucked out of the Orange Bowl because the conference doesn't care enough about the integrity of the process to stand up for it's members. /wipes tear

Bambi
10-05-2011, 03:07 PM
It doesn't go away at all, but it's not as intense when you don't have to go to work the next day with fans of the other team. That's just human nature.

As far as the conference schedule being brutal in the SEC, that's why Mizzou would want to play a non-con against KU. We could use a cupcake to fatten ourselves up.

Truthfully, the KU/MU game would be the biggest game of the year for Kansas football. It would be about the 5th biggest for Mizzou football.

Funny thing to say about a school your team hasn't defeated three years in a row in over 20 years.

Especially factoring in when said team has done it to yours twice in that time span.

"cupcake"

Frazod
10-05-2011, 03:09 PM
Funny thing to say about a school your team hasn't defeated three years in a row in over 20 years.

Especially factoring in when said team has done it to yours twice in that time span.

"cupcake"

Well, pucker up, buttercup, because it'll happen this November.

And that's "KUpcake." God your spelling sucks. LMAO

DeezNutz
10-05-2011, 03:11 PM
KK: "The Big XII will be more stable than the SEC."

You can't make this shit up.

Bearcat
10-05-2011, 03:12 PM
Its funny to see all the butt hurt KU fans here.. so now were are down to posting pictures of peoples empty stadiums and talking attendace smack.

Jesus. MU is doing the right thing... Bailing on a failing conference is the RIGHT thing to do.

I am envy of MU and the SEC... Nothing the Big 12 does now will make a shit difference. It appears its a sinking ship full of junk.

"all" = "the one" :rolleyes:

Oh, I'm envious... I love SEC football, and it would be awesome if KU had a good enough football program to join that level of competition.

It doesn't go away at all, but it's not as intense when you don't have to go to work the next day with fans of the other team. That's just human nature.

As far as the conference schedule being brutal in the SEC, that's why Mizzou would want to play a non-con against KU. We could use a cupcake to fatten ourselves up.

Truthfully, the KU/MU game would be the biggest game of the year for Kansas football. It would be about the 5th biggest for Mizzou football.

That would be a dangerous cupcake... just like we've both said, it's KU's SB. I don't know why MU would want to risk losing an OOC rivalry game.

Bowser
10-05-2011, 03:13 PM
Funny thing to say about a school your team hasn't defeated three years in a row in over 20 years.

Especially factoring in when said team has done it to yours twice in that time span.

"cupcake"

Good for KU to actually get up for a game now and again. Take that fire and use it against the Oklahoma and Texas teams now.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 03:13 PM
KK: "The Big XII will be more stable than the SEC."

You can't make this shit up.

No kidding. The SEC does not require schools to sign over rights, because the don't need too.

Bowser
10-05-2011, 03:14 PM
KK: "The Big XII will be more stable than the SEC."

You can't make this shit up.

Good lord. Boeger needs to rush in and unplug his mic.

DeezNutz
10-05-2011, 03:14 PM
What's sad is how the original Big 8 schools bowed to TX and set the wheels in motion for this thing to blow the fuck up. Too bad there wasn't more effective leadership when the league came to fruition.

Pants
10-05-2011, 03:15 PM
Good for KU to actually get up for a game now and again. Take that fire and use it against the Oklahoma and Texas teams now.

Get up for a game now and again? You make it sound like it was some kind of challenge to beat MU in the past years. LMAO

MU's program has been on a a slow upswing since Pinkel took over, but don't act like it's some kind of a powerhouse program.

mnchiefsguy
10-05-2011, 03:16 PM
What's sad is how the original Big 8 schools bowed to TX and set the wheels in motion for this thing to blow the fuck up. Too bad there wasn't more effective leadership when the league came to fruition.

If there was a way to turn back the clock and never create the BIG XII, and just leave the Big 8 as it was, I would be totally for it. Letting Texas schools in destroyed it.

Bowser
10-05-2011, 03:16 PM
Get up for a game now and again? You make it sound like it was some kind of challenge to beat MU in the past years. LMAO

MU's program has been on a a slow upswing since Pinkel took over, but don't act like it's some kind of a powerhouse program.

Did you actually read his post?

Trevo_410
10-05-2011, 03:16 PM
+1 rep for Jack Harry

HemiEd
10-05-2011, 03:17 PM
And Wickedson gets owned.

Midnight practice?

Pants
10-05-2011, 03:17 PM
Did you actually read his post?

Whose post? Wickeson's? Yes, I read it.

DeezNutz
10-05-2011, 03:17 PM
KK turns a blind eye to everything that has happened in the last 18 months. Jack reminds him that last summer, post-Nebraska/Colorado, we were "safe for another ten years."

Oops.

Bowser
10-05-2011, 03:17 PM
+1 rep for Jack Harry

Is he using his old guy voive to talk KK down off the ledge, or did he just tell him to jump?

Bowser
10-05-2011, 03:18 PM
Whose post? Wickeson's? Yes, I read it.

Excellent.

eazyb81
10-05-2011, 03:18 PM
KK turns a blind eye to everything that has happened in the last 18 months. Jack reminds him that last summer, post-Nebraska/Colorado, we were "safe for another ten years."

Oops.

And he has absolutely no clue about the contracts and is just dealing in crazy hypotheticals.

DJ's left nut
10-05-2011, 03:19 PM
That's a pretty hefty "80%"...

58,300/71,000 = 82%

You really are a dipshit.

Reaper16
10-05-2011, 03:19 PM
Missouri has been getting fucking killed for the past half hour on Paul Finebaum's show.

Bearcat
10-05-2011, 03:20 PM
As far as MU's chances in the SEC... by my quick count, MU is 1-5 in the past few years against top 15 teams. It's not just about trying to compete with LSU and Alabama, MU will be going from ~2 games/season against top competition to possibly playing 2 or 3 top 15 teams in a month (Florida is currently in the process of playing 3 in a row).

They'll be playing KU's cupcakes, then IMO, hoping for better than 3-5/4-4 seasons (or however many games you'll be playing) in the SEC. And that's not to say things can't change and MU won't ever be good in the SEC (South Carolina, for example).