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eazyb81
10-06-2011, 02:54 PM
LMAO

Looks like we have a bunch of little DeArmounds around here now.

Get the **** out already MU. You're annoying.

LMAO

You know you just can't quit us. Stop trying to talk tough.

eazyb81
10-06-2011, 02:54 PM
Mike D is a stone cold pimp.

Bambi
10-06-2011, 02:54 PM
Mike DeArmond:

<iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/3mfBzUkQG5c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Love it. Skip to 1:00 in.

He looks fun to hang out with.

lol

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 02:54 PM
LMAO

Looks like we have a bunch of little DeArmounds around here now.

Get the **** out already MU. You're annoying.

Gregorian is the guy that is Mizzou's beat writer for the Post-Dispatch.

And how about YOU get out of here already?

Pants
10-06-2011, 02:56 PM
Mike D's liver is down to 10% functionality.

FYP

Bambi
10-06-2011, 02:56 PM
LMAO

You know you just can't quit us. Stop trying to talk tough.

The only positive thing out of MU staying at this point is use of the Sprint Center.

It's a wonderful feeling to cruise across into MO and leave with a trophy.

From that angle yes, I want Missouri to stay.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 02:57 PM
vgregorian
Expectation is that Neinas still will visit Columbia at some point

Not sure how to perceive this. Is Mizzou gone, and that is why the trip in cancelled, and is Neinas trying to save a little face by saying he will visit at some point? Or does this mean Mizzou is back in the fold and there is no need for a visit?

Hope it means we are leaving.

Bambi
10-06-2011, 02:59 PM
Gregorian is the guy that is Mizzou's beat writer for the Post-Dispatch.

And how about YOU get out of here already?

I was simply backing up Kstater's exposing of MU fans who are constantly posting tweets that make it look as if MU is out the door and ignoring the tweets and information that indicate MU is staying.

DeArmond started out neutral on the subject now he only post things that lean towards MU leaving.

It's not journalism..

eazyb81
10-06-2011, 03:00 PM
The only positive thing out of MU staying at this point is use of the Sprint Center.

It's a wonderful feeling to cruise across into MO and leave with a trophy.

From that angle yes, I want Missouri to stay.

They give out trophies for losing the Border War game?

Mr. Laz
10-06-2011, 03:00 PM
LMAO

You know you just can't quit us. Stop trying to talk tough.Oh, i could ... in a heart beat. I hear people talk about traditional rivalries and keeping MU and KU together. Fuck that, there isn't any love in this love/hate rivalry.

MU can DIAF for all i care. The only reason i even remotely care whether MU stays in the Big 12 is that their t.v. markets help KU. That's a lot of trailer parks.

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:01 PM
Oh, i could ... in a heart beat. I hear people talk about traditional rivalries and keeping MU and KU together. **** that, there isn't any love in this love/hate rivalry.

MU can DIAF for all i care. The only reason i even remotely care whether MU stays in the Big 12 is that their t.v. markets help KU. That's a lot of trailer parks.

Come at me, bro. Come at me.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 03:02 PM
I was simply backing up Kstater's exposing of MU fans who are constantly posting tweets that make it look as if MU is out the door and ignoring the tweets and information that indicate MU is staying.

DeArmond started out neutral on the subject now he only post things that lean towards MU leaving.

It's not journalism..

Kstater posted a tweet that made it look like Mizzou was leaving, then he posted one that indicated the opposite (the rescheduling of the visit by the commish).

I posted a link to a DeArmond article where he voiced no opinion either way, and went out of his way to be neutral, talking about how you have to consider the source of tweets and such when deciding the validity of a news story.

eazyb81
10-06-2011, 03:02 PM
Oh, i could ... in a heart beat. I hear people talk about traditional rivalries and keeping MU and KU together. **** that, there isn't any love in this love/hate rivalry.

MU can DIAF for all i care. The only reason i even remotely care whether MU stays in the Big 12 is that their t.v. markets help KU. That's a lot of trailer parks.

Don't sweat it, you just locked up the Fort Worth market with TCU. Cha-Ching!!!

Locking up Louisville will make the Big Ten quiver.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 03:02 PM
Come at me, bro. Come at me.

This will be fun. Rams Fan should take out Wickedson in three, maybe four posts max.

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:03 PM
Don't sweat it, you just locked up the Fort Worth market with TCU. Cha-Ching!!!

TCU, BYU, Louisville, and WVU are all upgrades over Nebraska, Missouri, aTm and Colorado.

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:04 PM
This will be fun. Rams Fan should take out Wickedson in three, maybe four posts max.

No. I don't feel like getting into an argument.

However, there are some major douches in this thread.

Mr. Laz
10-06-2011, 03:04 PM
Don't sweat it, you just locked up the Fort Worth market with TCU. Cha-Ching!!!

Locking up Louisville will make the Big Ten quiver.lol

yea, worthless addition unless it's just a step to adding more.



I hoping to hell KU is looking elsewhere ... i've seen/heard no signs of it though. Little could be asleep at the wheel for all we know. :(

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:05 PM
lol

yea, worthless addition unless it's just a step to adding more.



I hoping to hell KU is looking elsewhere ... i've seen/heard no signs of it though. Little could be asleep at the wheel for all we know. :(

Per Stewie, the Big 12 is now better with BYU.

Mr. Laz
10-06-2011, 03:06 PM
Per Stewie, the Big 12 is now better with BYU.
i wasn't aware that BYU had committed.

BYU is a upgrade over A&M

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:07 PM
Are they going or they staying?

Tim Fitzgerald, "I don't care"

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:07 PM
i wasn't aware that BYU had committed.

They haven't, but the Big 12, from what I understand, has looked talked to them.

And according to Stewie, they are an upgrade over Mizzou.

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:08 PM
They give out trophies for losing the Border War game?

I didn't know the Border War was played at Sprint Center.

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:08 PM
Oh, i could ... in a heart beat. I hear people talk about traditional rivalries and keeping MU and KU together. **** that, there isn't any love in this love/hate rivalry.

MU can DIAF for all i care. The only reason i even remotely care whether MU stays in the Big 12 is that their t.v. markets help KU. That's a lot of trailer parks.

:clap:

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:10 PM
TCU, BYU, Louisville, and WVU are all upgrades over Nebraska, Missouri, aTm and Colorado.

Play on the field/court they sure are.

Thanks for pointing that out for us.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-06-2011, 03:10 PM
wait a minute, am I to understand that MU's 100th homecoming, a historic game, a marquee television matchup....hasn't even sold out?

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:11 PM
Play on the field/court they sure are.

Thanks for pointing that out for us.

Basketball wise, probably.

Football wise. Doubtful.

The Big 12 wasn't meant to be a basketball conference.

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:11 PM
wait a minute, am I to understand that MU's 100th homecoming, a historic game, a marquee television matchup....hasn't even sold out?

I think it's on PPV, IIRC.

And it's against Iowa Fucking St.

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:12 PM
wait a minute, am I to understand that MU's 100th homecoming, a historic game, a marquee television matchup....hasn't even sold out?

Reality Hurts

Mr. Laz
10-06-2011, 03:12 PM
They haven't, but the Big 12, from what I understand, has looked talked to them.

And according to Stewie, they are an upgrade over Mizzou.

well ... since all the MU fans keep saying that the only thing that matters is t.v. market, he might be right.

Dr. Gigglepants
10-06-2011, 03:12 PM
Basketball wise, probably.

Football wise. Doubtful.

The Big 12 wasn't meant to be a basketball conference.

Gettin' trolled

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:13 PM
well ... since all the MU fans keep saying that the only thing that matters is t.v. market, he might be right.

Maybe. But I don't know how many people watch BYU's network.

kstater
10-06-2011, 03:13 PM
I think it's on PPV, IIRC.

And it's against Iowa Fucking St.

No, Mizzou declined both FCS and PPV.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-06-2011, 03:14 PM
Maybe. But I don't know how many people watch BYU's network.

BYU is looking to be a no-go.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-06-2011, 03:16 PM
BYU is looking to be a no-go.

Source?

Mr. Laz
10-06-2011, 03:17 PM
Maybe. But I don't know how many people watch BYU's network.
true, the number of t.v. isn't as great as the geographical area but if you add a quality conference schedule then the number of t.v. could grow exponentially.

Same goes for Notre Dame, the golden domers don't think they need anyone and maybe they don't. But you add a quality conference identity to their brand name and it could explode.

Pants
10-06-2011, 03:18 PM
No. I don't feel like getting into an argument.

However, there are some major douches in this thread.

You couldn't argue your way out of a soggy paper bag. And I agree, a lot of douches in here. Of course you're one of them with your super hilarious and clever sarcasm sprinkled all over the thread. Keep on keeping on, brother.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-06-2011, 03:18 PM
true, the number of t.v. isn't as great as the geographical area but if you add a quality conference schedule then the number of t.v. could grow exponentially.

Same goes for Notre Dame, the golden domers don't think they need anyone and maybe they don't. But you add a quality conference identity to their brand name and it could explode.

Why would you saddle yourself with a conference when you have a national TV contract on a major network that allows you prime scheduling every week?

KChiefs1
10-06-2011, 03:23 PM
TCU, BYU, Louisville, and WVU are all upgrades over Nebraska, Missouri, aTm and Colorado.

ROFLROFL

DJ's left nut
10-06-2011, 03:26 PM
wait a minute, am I to understand that MU's 100th homecoming, a historic game, a marquee television matchup....hasn't even sold out?

There's mostly just single-seat tickets available at this point, and those are always a bitch to sell (though they'll almost always go in walkup sales to folks that show up to tailgate, buy their single-seat then the just squeeze in with their friends on the bench).

There are probably 8-10 sections where you can still get 4-6 seats in a block, but those will be gone shortly as well. Besides, once again, our stadium at about 2/3 full is right at the capacity of good ol' Snyder Stadium.

Don't you worry your pretty little head about our attendance, m'kay? Mizzou does just fine.

Saulbadguy
10-06-2011, 03:27 PM
Fitz, she's only 15.

Tim Fitzgerald, "I don't care"

FYP

DJ's left nut
10-06-2011, 03:28 PM
Why would you saddle yourself with a conference when you have a national TV contract on a major network that allows you prime scheduling every week?

If it goes 'superconference', for scheduling.

It will be tough for ND to keep getting games scheduled when suddenly everyone is down to 3 Non-Con games.

Al Bundy
10-06-2011, 03:28 PM
They give out trophies for losing the Border War game?

Remember.... football isn't even a real sport.

kchero
10-06-2011, 03:29 PM
FYP

LMAO

DJ's left nut
10-06-2011, 03:29 PM
I think it's on PPV, IIRC.

And it's against Iowa Fucking St.

Pants is right - you're not very good at this.

kstater
10-06-2011, 03:30 PM
Why would you saddle yourself with a conference when you have a national TV contract on a major network that allows you prime scheduling every week?


I think they only get 15M and they have to use a chunk of that to pay other teams.

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:32 PM
Gettin' trolled

no-troll here.

Just lookin at trophy cases.

Al Bundy
10-06-2011, 03:32 PM
"If anyone's causing instability, it's them (Missouri)" -Jason King

He is a KU guy, regardless of where he graduated from. I simply laughed at that comment.

Frazod
10-06-2011, 03:33 PM
The only positive thing out of MU staying at this point is use of the Sprint Center.

It's a wonderful feeling to cruise across into MO and leave with a trophy.

From that angle yes, I want Missouri to stay.

Sort of like the feeling anybody from Kansas gets any time they want to watch a professional sporting event? Well, other than *snicker* soccer.

Al Bundy
10-06-2011, 03:35 PM
Sort of like the feeling anybody from Kansas gets any time they want to watch a professional sporting event? Well, other than *snicker* soccer.
Soccer and Golf.... professional sports played in Kansas.

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:36 PM
Pants is right - you're not very good at this.

I never said I was getting into an argument, was I?

I just said Iowa ****ing State.

Frazod
10-06-2011, 03:37 PM
Soccer and Golf.... professional sports played in Kansas.

I guess we shouldn't forget Nascar. YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW

Al Bundy
10-06-2011, 03:37 PM
I guess we shouldn't forget Nascar. YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW

Hey I wanted Nascar on the Missouri side.

Rams Fan
10-06-2011, 03:37 PM
I shall bow out of this thread now.

Y'all have fun.

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-06-2011, 03:39 PM
If it goes 'superconference', for scheduling.

It will be tough for ND to keep getting games scheduled when suddenly everyone is down to 3 Non-Con games.

If they were BYU, I'd agree, but I don't see it being a problem for them. What they lack in recruiting prowess, they still bring in an ability to draw and name recognition.

USC, Michigan, MSU, Purdue and the service academies give them 6-7 games a year.

That means you need another five. Pull three from outside of the super conferences and another two. I don't think it's incredibly difficult

Al Bundy
10-06-2011, 03:40 PM
I like this.

Winning the Orange Bowl was in my top 5 sports moments of all time. With this setup I can see KU getting back sooner than I thought.

They aren't ever getting back there.....

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:41 PM
Sort of like the feeling anybody from Kansas gets any time they want to watch a professional sporting event? Well, other than *snicker* soccer.

Yea, and all Giants fans come from New Jersey.

Sometimes people build their homes in the nice place, and dump their traffic-filled sports complexes in the other place.

LMAO

Al Bundy
10-06-2011, 03:42 PM
Isn't New Jersey New York's trash dump?

Pants
10-06-2011, 03:42 PM
This thread really is going to catch AIDS if we start talking about state superiority again.

Bambi
10-06-2011, 03:42 PM
They aren't ever getting back there.....

Well good thing they didn't screw it up when they got there. :)

Frazod
10-06-2011, 03:43 PM
Yea, and all Giants fans come from New Jersey.

Sometimes people build their homes in the nice place, and dump their traffic-filled sports complexes in the other place.

LMAO

Yeah, another reminder of how the best part of your wasteland piece of shit state is suburb of one of our cities.

DJ's left nut
10-06-2011, 03:43 PM
This thread really is going to catch AIDS if we start talking about state superiority again.

Well fortunately there's really nothing to talk about... ;)

HemiEd
10-06-2011, 03:48 PM
They aren't ever getting back there.....

Careful........I have seen it twice in my lifetime. Don't recall Mizzou ever going though.

KCSupersized
10-06-2011, 04:40 PM
Careful........I have seen it twice in my lifetime. Don't recall Mizzou ever going though.

I think they won it in 1961, and lost it in 1960.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 04:43 PM
Starting to see some tweets that Mizzou will commit to a conference in the next 48 hours. Seems out that they would announce on a Saturday, so probably won't hear anything till Monday if the rumors are true.

chefsos
10-06-2011, 05:10 PM
Hey you guys, shut up for a minute and lookit the way it used to be:

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae22/chefsoscat/5375566607_3384774988_o.jpghttp://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae22/chefsoscat/5376165914_06e3fffc97_o.jpghttp://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae22/chefsoscat/5376167526_3a5e00240c_o.jpghttp://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae22/chefsoscat/5376165492_7f2ca7454f_o.jpg

There's more...http://www.uni-watch.com/2011/01/22/what-kind-of-fan-are-you/#wearefamily

I thought these were kind of funny.

Mizzou_8541
10-06-2011, 05:20 PM
Starting to see some tweets that Mizzou will commit to a conference in the next 48 hours. Seems out that they would announce on a Saturday, so probably won't hear anything till Monday if the rumors are true.

I think it took aTm 16 days from "exploring options" to being officially a member of the SEC.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 05:27 PM
I think it took aTm 16 days from "exploring options" to being officially a member of the SEC.

Saw another tweet that says the 13 team schedule was not taken well at the AD meeting in the SEC, and that no one wants to play with 13 teams, so adding #14 may have moved up on their schedule as well.

Mizzou_8541
10-06-2011, 05:45 PM
Saw another tweet that says the 13 team schedule was not taken well at the AD meeting in the SEC, and that no one wants to play with 13 teams, so adding #14 may have moved up on their schedule as well.

IF this happens with Mizzou, I will be curious to see how the cross division rivals are handled, and where we end up.

Dr. Gigglepants
10-06-2011, 06:00 PM
IF this happens with Mizzou, I will be curious to see how the cross division rivals are handled, and where we end up.

I think the easiest thing to do is to put us in the East, A&M in the West, and make us the cross-division rivals. IMO, Auburn actually wants us in the West, so they can go East, and get out of LSU and Bama's division. This would mean that Bama, would either lose their yearly game with Tenn, or the Iron Bowl.

Neither of which Bama wants to give up. I'd say this is probably one of the issues they are working out to get the votes they need to allow MU into the conference.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 06:19 PM
I think the easiest thing to do is to put us in the East, A&M in the West, and make us the cross-division rivals. IMO, Auburn actually wants us in the West, so they can go East, and get out of LSU and Bama's division. This would mean that Bama, would either lose their yearly game with Tenn, or the Iron Bowl.

Neither of which Bama wants to give up. I'd say this is probably one of the issues they are working out to get the votes they need to allow MU into the conference.

This makes sense. If the Tigers land in the West, football is tougher with both Alabama and LSU in their division. But basketball would be much more competitve. Alabama won the SEC West in bball last year but still did not make the tourney. If Mizzou lands in the East, I think they will competitive much faster, as Florida is only real powerhouse over there. (TN is done, and I put Georgia and SC on a similar level with Mizzou). Bball would be much tougher though with both Kentucky and Florida in the East.

DaKCMan AP
10-06-2011, 06:50 PM
This makes sense. If the Tigers land in the West, football is tougher with both Alabama and LSU in their division. But basketball would be much more competitve. Alabama won the SEC West in bball last year but still did not make the tourney. If Mizzou lands in the East, I think they will competitive much faster, as Florida is only real powerhouse over there. (TN is done, and I put Georgia and SC on a similar level with Mizzou). Bball would be much tougher though with both Kentucky and Florida in the East.

Because of the Alabama situation in basketball last year the SEC voted to get rid of divisions in basketball. If you think Tennessee is done and Georgia/USC are cake-walks then you're nuts.

Saul Good
10-06-2011, 06:55 PM
Because of the Alabama situation in basketball last year the SEC voted to get rid of divisions in basketball. If you think Tennessee is done and Georgia/USC are cake-walks then you're nuts.

How did you get Georgia/USC are cake-walks out of him saying that they are on the same level as Mizzou?

DaKCMan AP
10-06-2011, 06:59 PM
How did you get Georgia/USC are cake-walks out of him saying that they are on the same level as Mizzou?

Because Mizzou is a cake-walk.







:D

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 07:35 PM
Because of the Alabama situation in basketball last year the SEC voted to get rid of divisions in basketball. If you think Tennessee is done and Georgia/USC are cake-walks then you're nuts.

Wasn't implying that they are cake walks at all. Merely that if Mizzou was to play them, Mizzou would have a realistic shot at winning the game. Mizzou is not on the level of LSU, Bama, or Florida. If Mizzou was to beat one of them, it would be consider a big upset. If Mizzou was to beat Georgia on a Saturday afternoon, it might be an upset...but not a Sportcenter breaking news one.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 07:37 PM
Because of the Alabama situation in basketball last year the SEC voted to get rid of divisions in basketball. If you think Tennessee is done and Georgia/USC are cake-walks then you're nuts.

So how is bball going to work then with 14 teams and no divisions? Will everyone play each other at least once? How will it be determined which opponents you play twice?

Crush
10-06-2011, 08:47 PM
I am becoming more and more excited about the possibility of Mizzou playing in the SEC. Hopefully, it works out for Mizzou and the university can finally rid itself of Texas.

Saulbadguy
10-06-2011, 08:47 PM
too lazy to look it up, what is Mizzou's record vs Texas in the Big XII?

eazyb81
10-06-2011, 08:57 PM
too lazy to look it up, what is Mizzou's record vs Texas in the Big XII?

Pretty sure Mizzou has won 9 of 12.

Crush
10-06-2011, 08:58 PM
Mizzou is 5-17 all-time against Texas and 1-7 in the Big XII. I am just tired off Texas's off the field bullshit.

Crush
10-06-2011, 08:59 PM
Fuck Texas and double fuck Baylor.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-06-2011, 09:09 PM
Pretty sure Mizzou has won 9 of 12.

LOL...close!!

Bambi
10-06-2011, 10:01 PM
Still trying to figure out what Texas has ever done to Missouri.

Maybe someone will give us a reason here one day.

doomy3
10-06-2011, 10:03 PM
Pretty sure Mizzou has won 9 of 12.

:spock:

Crush
10-06-2011, 10:34 PM
It looks like Rutgers has also decided to put itself on the market.

mnchiefsguy
10-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Still trying to figure out what Texas has ever done to Missouri.

Maybe someone will give us a reason here one day.

Every time I think you have reached the threshold of your ignorance, you say something to push the threshold.

Sometimes I think you love Texas more than Texas fans, you go down on them enough.

alnorth
10-06-2011, 11:10 PM
Among the TCU and high school restrictions, I missed this rather important LHN concession:

And there are new provisions for a school carrying more than one of its own football games on its network; it must obtain league permission, and the participating schools would give up their shares of league-wide network proceeds from the game.

That pretty well wraps up the concerns about ESPN perhaps having a conflict of interest and causing a UT game to fall to tier 3. They have to get permission from the conference to show more than 1 conference game, and even if they do get permission, both schools forfeit any claim to proceeds from that game. So basically "UT wants to show a 2nd conference game on LHN and the school they are playing is fine with it? OK fine, but we're taking the money and neither school gets a cut of that game"

That pretty well solves just about every major concern about school networks.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 05:41 AM
So how is bball going to work then with 14 teams and no divisions? Will everyone play each other at least once? How will it be determined which opponents you play twice?

They have to figure that out, even with 13 teams. They made the move before Texas A&M joined the league. With 12 teams the way it was going to work for next season was 16 conference games.

2 games each against your original division foes = 10 games
1 game each against the other division = 6 games

They were then going to either keep a 16 conference game schedule switching up the games, move to an 18 game conference schedule, or a 22 game round-robin conference schedule (least likely).

Now with 13 and possibly 14 teams they'll have to re-evaluate.

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 06:10 AM
Among the TCU and high school restrictions, I missed this rather important LHN concession:



That pretty well wraps up the concerns about ESPN perhaps having a conflict of interest and causing a UT game to fall to tier 3. They have to get permission from the conference to show more than 1 conference game, and even if they do get permission, both schools forfeit any claim to proceeds from that game. So basically "UT wants to show a 2nd conference game on LHN and the school they are playing is fine with it? OK fine, but we're taking the money and neither school gets a cut of that game"

That pretty well solves just about every major concern about school networks.

That solves all of the except the biggest one. If Texas has its own network, there can be no viable conference network (like the B1G Network).

Saulbadguy
10-07-2011, 06:39 AM
That solves all of the except the biggest one. If Texas has its own network, there can be no viable conference network (like the B1G Network).

Schools are free to start their own network though, correct?

Infidel Goat
10-07-2011, 07:11 AM
It looks like Rutgers has also decided to put itself on the market.

Rutgers is praying that they will eventually be team #16 in the ACC.

I can't see the Big 10 taking them.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 07:39 AM
That solves all of the except the biggest one. If Texas has its own network, there can be no viable conference network (like the B1G Network).

The conference doesn't want a conference network. And by conference, I mean more than just Texas and OU, it has always been overwhelmingly voted down by the north schools as well. The Big 12 wants the SEC sharing model.

So given that, LHN really isn't a problem anymore.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 07:42 AM
Rutgers is praying that they will eventually be team #16 in the ACC.

I can't see the Big 10 taking them.

I could see the B1G taking them If they chose to expand, but that is a big if.

Rutgers sounds like a funny name, which might make some people think they are a weird private school that noone cares about, but they aren't. Rutgers is the flagship public school of New Jersey, without any significant collegiate competition in that market. If Rutgers is not an attractive school, then the STL and KC markets are irrelevant to MU's case as well.

patteeu
10-07-2011, 07:52 AM
The conference doesn't want a conference network. And by conference, I mean more than just Texas and OU, it has always been overwhelmingly voted down by the north schools as well. The Big 12 wants the SEC sharing model.

So given that, LHN really isn't a problem anymore.

I don't know what "the conference" wants, but Missouri might want a conference network and that's all that matters at the moment.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 07:58 AM
The conference doesn't want a conference network. And by conference, I mean more than just Texas and OU, it has always been overwhelmingly voted down by the north schools as well. The Big 12 wants the SEC sharing model.

So given that, LHN really isn't a problem anymore.

The other Big 12 schools don't like money now?

BTN has proven that it is much more lucrative overall to pool tier 2 or 3 rights together and market them as a package to broadcasters, rather than having each school try to market their own tier 3 rights.

This is why the PAC and SEC are following in their footsteps, and it is why the Big 12 will continue to fall behind the pack in terms of overall conference TV revenue.

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 08:01 AM
The conference doesn't want a conference network. And by conference, I mean more than just Texas and OU, it has always been overwhelmingly voted down by the north schools as well. The Big 12 wants the SEC sharing model.

So given that, LHN really isn't a problem anymore.

The SEC is going to a B1G-style network. It's a license to print money.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 08:41 AM
The other Big 12 schools don't like money now?

BTN has proven that it is much more lucrative overall to pool tier 2 or 3 rights together and market them as a package to broadcasters, rather than having each school try to market their own tier 3 rights.

This is why the PAC and SEC are following in their footsteps, and it is why the Big 12 will continue to fall behind the pack in terms of overall conference TV revenue.

The Big 12 has like half of the alumni base around the country as the Big10 does.

Demand for a Big 12 network just isn't there.

Big money comes from individual schools...Texas, Kansas Basketball etc.

Everyone is free to start their own and make what they want with 3rd tier money.

Obviously the content is what is to be monitored, most notably high school sports highlights.

Frazod
10-07-2011, 08:56 AM
Every time I think you have reached the threshold of your ignorance, you say something to push the threshold.

Sometimes I think you love Texas more than Texas fans, you go down on them enough.

Well, since the Yankmees got greased last night, fanboy's obviously looking for a new super team bandwagon to hop on.

KChiefs1
10-07-2011, 09:07 AM
The SEC is going to a B1G-style network. It's a license to print money.

This would double what the B1G makes!

vailpass
10-07-2011, 09:10 AM
This would double what the B1G makes!

Easy there. While it is true that many SEC households have more than 1 television it must also be taken into account that in 96% of those households one of those televisions does not work and is sitting in the front yard supporting the television that does work ifn you hold the beer can rabbit ears just right.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 09:17 AM
Well, since the Yankmees got greased last night, fanboy's obviously looking for a new super team bandwagon to hop on.

I'm a Royals fan you douche.

Not one of convenient Chiefs/Cardinals fans like you.

We've discussed this before.

vailpass
10-07-2011, 09:19 AM
I'm a Royals fan you douche.

Not one of convenient Chiefs/Cardinals fans like you.

We've discussed this before.

It's "convenience" Wickeddumb.

Frazod
10-07-2011, 09:19 AM
I'm a Royals fan you douche.

Not one of convenient Chiefs/Cardinals fans like you.

We've discussed this before.

Says the Yankmees season ticket holder who posted a picture of Texas' championship banners yesterday.

Eat shit, clown.

vailpass
10-07-2011, 09:20 AM
Says the Yankmees season ticket holder who posted a picture of Texas' championship banners yesterday.

Eat shit, clown.

WTF? Is this true? LMAO

Frazod
10-07-2011, 09:41 AM
WTF? Is this true? LMAO

You've never caught his "I live in New York, the rest of you suck" act? It's great. He'll really get on a roll, and then it seems like somebody whispers in his ear "Hey idiot, you're on a Chiefs board and you're from Kansas" and then he backpedals away as fast as he can.

And the Texas picture is buried in this pile of shit somewhere. He's been on a Texas kick lately - keeps mentioning them and KU together as if they're somehow on equal footing.

Apparently the Longhorns don't make a move without first seeking approval from their overlords in Lawrence. LMAO

vailpass
10-07-2011, 09:48 AM
You've never caught his "I live in New York, the rest of you suck" act? It's great. He'll really get on a roll, and then it seems like somebody whispers in his ear "Hey idiot, you're on a Chiefs board and you're from Kansas" and then he backpedals away as fast as he can.

And the Texas picture is buried in this pile of shit somewhere. He's been on a Texas kick lately - keeps mentioning them and KU together as if they're somehow on equal footing.

Apparently the Longhorns don't make a move without first seeking approval from their overlords in Lawrence. LMAO

LMAO


I've seen his attempt at a New Yorker attitude, at which he fails.
I've seen his one-trick pony of trying to make it seem like college hoops has anywhere near the same pull as college football.

But the Texas picture is hilarious news to me as is the UT equation. ****ing tool.
Instead of Stockholm Syndrome perhaps WickedDumb has Austin Syndrome.


I know it is your moral obligation as an MU Tiger to deplore KU but I have respect for KU and don't hold WickedDumb against them.

Pants
10-07-2011, 09:49 AM
You've never caught his "I live in New York, the rest of you suck" act? It's great. He'll really get on a roll, and then it seems like somebody whispers in his ear "Hey idiot, you're on a Chiefs board and you're from Kansas" and then he backpedals away as fast as he can.

And the Texas picture is buried in this pile of shit somewhere. He's been on a Texas kick lately - keeps mentioning them and KU together as if they're somehow on equal footing.

Apparently the Longhorns don't make a move without first seeking approval from their overlords in Lawrence. LMAO

Are you talking about the picture of the basketball banners? I think that was just his attempt to show that Texas does care about basketball which was relevant to the argument at the time. I'm not sure that it proved him right, but I don't think it was to show solidarity between Texas and KU like you're implying.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I don't mind Texas making more money than Kansas. It doesn't mean I'm chugging Texas cock or anything, I'm just being a realist.

Saulbadguy
10-07-2011, 09:55 AM
Is it DONE?

cbsdollarbill Bill Jones
Pat Jones tells @bbjsports on @sportsanimal his SEC sources say Mizzou to SEC a "done deal" by end of day

Frazod
10-07-2011, 09:56 AM
Are you talking about the picture of the basketball banners? I think that was just his attempt to show that Texas does care about basketball which was relevant to the argument at the time. I'm not sure that it proved him right, but I don't think it was to show solidarity between Texas and KU like you're implying.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I don't mind Texas making more money than Kansas. It doesn't mean I'm chugging Texas cock or anything, I'm just being a realist.

Nobody's saying that you are. Apparently, that's Wickedson's job.

vailpass
10-07-2011, 09:57 AM
Is it DONE?

If so I wish MU the best but man that just doesn't seem like a good fit culturally.

kchero
10-07-2011, 09:59 AM
If so I wish MU the best but man that just doesn't seem like a good fit culturally.

Agreed, Im a Mizzou fan and I may be in the minority here, but I would rather stay in the Big XII. With that being said, I am not convinced about the stability of this conference. Therefore, even though I feel we are a much better fit in the Big XII I cannot disagree with the decision to move to the SEC.

Pants
10-07-2011, 10:00 AM
If so I wish MU the best but man that just doesn't seem like a good fit culturally.

The state of Missouri is much more SEC as a whole than the Big 10. KC and STL might be Big 10 culture, but that's about it.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 10:00 AM
Is it DONE?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtL4JKsyDYg6WrnlR4xi0rQqeo1VaOM9LPoNdqbWl9B9LjqFCdLGWDgOCS7A

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 10:02 AM
Over/Under. How many years after joining the SEC do Mizzu fans start having buyers remorse? I say during the first year you start to hear squeeks about it and during year 2 a full blown meltdown about how "stupid the move was" and with demands to go back to the Big 12.

vailpass
10-07-2011, 10:02 AM
The state of Missouri is much more SEC as a whole than the Big 10. KC and STL might be Big 10 culture, but that's about it.

That makes sense, I hadn't considered it from the perspective of the state. I was thinking of the educational institution and it's athletic programs.
They seem more B1G to me and I'll admit I'd have liked to have seen MU join us.

Frazod
10-07-2011, 10:06 AM
The state of Missouri is much more SEC as a whole than the Big 10. KC and STL might be Big 10 culture, but that's about it.

Slavers unite? :D

icepick64
10-07-2011, 10:06 AM
Over/Under. How many years after joining the SEC do Mizzu fans start having buyers remorse? I say during the first year you start to hear squeeks about it and during year 2 a full blown meltdown about how "stupid the move was" and with demands to go back to the Big 12.
I doubt mizzou regrets moving to the SEC. Look at arkansas, they sure did build that program up, mizzou will do the same thing.

If mizzou is an arkansas in several years, i think that would be considered successful.

kchero
10-07-2011, 10:07 AM
The state of Missouri is much more SEC as a whole than the Big 10. KC and STL might be Big 10 culture, but that's about it.

I have to disagree just a bit....Sure in areas around Springfield and such I would agree, but the central and northern parts of the state are more of a BIG XII and B1G culture.

Pants
10-07-2011, 10:07 AM
Over/Under. How many years after joining the SEC do Mizzu fans start having buyers remorse? I say during the first year you start to hear squeeks about it and during year 2 a full blown meltdown about how "stupid the move was" and with demands to go back to the Big 12.

I think it's a smart move for MU and one that they will not regret.

vailpass
10-07-2011, 10:13 AM
I doubt mizzou regrets moving to the SEC. Look at arkansas, they sure did build that program up, mizzou will do the same thing.

If mizzou is an arkansas in several years, i think that would be considered successful.

You assume football is the only thing MU and it's alumni, student body and supporters care about. Which is the SEC mindset.
I'm not saying MU will regret it, just pointing out a potential difference in philosophies.

*I'm in now way equipped to say what the MU mindset is, I'm just an outside observer*

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 10:19 AM
You assume football is the only thing MU and it's alumni, student body and supporters care about. Which is the SEC mindset.
I'm not saying MU will regret it, just pointing out a potential difference in philosophies.

Right, but the reality is that conferences are based on athletics, and primarily for football. Mizzou fans don't have to act or speak like Alabama fans to share a conference with them. Mizzou's academics aren't going to take a hit by going to the SEC, and Alabama's are not going to improve because Mizzou is now in the conference.

Great arguments could be made for B1G or SEC, and Mizzou is a good fit for either. SEC has an opening and B1G doesn't though so it is an easy decision.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 10:23 AM
That makes sense, I hadn't considered it from the perspective of the state. I was thinking of the educational institution and it's athletic programs.
They seem more B1G to me and I'll admit I'd have liked to have seen MU join us.

Vandy, A&M, and Florida are all AAU schools.

How does Mizzou not fit in the SEC as an educational institution?

US News 2011 University Rankings
Vanderbilt 17
Florida 58
Texas A&M 58
Georgia 62
Alabama 75
Auburn 82
Missouri 90
Tennessee 101
South Carolina 111
Kentucky 124
Louisiana State 128
Arkansas 132
Mississippi 143
Mississippi State 157

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 10:24 AM
Over/Under. How many years after joining the SEC do Mizzu fans start having buyers remorse? I say during the first year you start to hear squeeks about it and during year 2 a full blown meltdown about how "stupid the move was" and with demands to go back to the Big 12.

Considering that its been half a century since a team left the SEC despite the fact that there is zero legal obligation to stay, I'll take the over. In the SEC, the walls you see are the gates around the neighborhood. In the Big 12-2-2, those are prison walls.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 10:40 AM
Says the Yankmees season ticket holder who posted a picture of Texas' championship banners yesterday.

Eat shit, clown.

The only clown I know is one that claims Kansas City Chiefs and St. Louis Cardinals.

I can't think of a bigger shame.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 10:43 AM
Considering that its been half a century since a team left the SEC despite the fact that there is zero legal obligation to stay, I'll take the over. In the SEC, the walls you see are the gates around the neighborhood. In the Big 12-2-2, those are prison walls.

I just think after a few mediocre football seasons where they are finishing 7th or 8th place in the conference you are going to start here rumblings among the fans. The school itself may be better off financially, but I'm predicting a major 180 turn amongst the fans that want to make the move now. I think they would rather win on Fox Sports then lose on CBS.

Frazod
10-07-2011, 10:44 AM
The only clown I know is one that claims Kansas City Chiefs and St. Louis Cardinals.

I can't think of a bigger shame.

Yeah, somebody from Central Missouri rooting for the same teams he's rooted for all his life? Check the Cardinals thread - there are lots of us. You've tried this before and failed miserably, you fucking imbecile. Stick to something you do well - like sucking Longhorn cock.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 10:45 AM
You've never caught his "I live in New York, the rest of you suck" act? It's great. He'll really get on a roll, and then it seems like somebody whispers in his ear "Hey idiot, you're on a Chiefs board and you're from Kansas" and then he backpedals away as fast as he can.

And the Texas picture is buried in this pile of shit somewhere. He's been on a Texas kick lately - keeps mentioning them and KU together as if they're somehow on equal footing.

Apparently the Longhorns don't make a move without first seeking approval from their overlords in Lawrence. LMAO

You really do put a lot of effort into reaching extremely high levels of retardation.

I suppose that deserves some recognition.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 10:45 AM
Yeah, somebody from Central Missouri rooting for the same teams he's rooted for all his life? Check the Cardinals thread - there are lots of us. You've tried this before and failed miserably, you ****ing imbecile. Stick to something you do well - like sucking Longhorn cock.

The Wicked 21 will never die.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 10:46 AM
Is it DONE?

I like Pat Jones a lot - but he's just a senile ol' ball coach from Stillwater.

WTF does Pat Jones know about the SEC and Mizzou.

Sorry, but I listen to the SportsAnimal all the time when I'm in Oklahoma, they have stations in Tulsa and OKC so they cover most of the state. They also don't really know anything...ever. They were parroting the hell out of KK last year during the MU to the B1G fiasco.

As near as I can tell, they have zero sources outside of OU and OSU.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 10:47 AM
Are you talking about the picture of the basketball banners? I think that was just his attempt to show that Texas does care about basketball which was relevant to the argument at the time. I'm not sure that it proved him right, but I don't think it was to show solidarity between Texas and KU like you're implying.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I don't mind Texas making more money than Kansas. It doesn't mean I'm chugging Texas cock or anything, I'm just being a realist.

Thank you Pants.

I thought the posting of the Texas banners would reach above the level of a 9 year old, but I guess not.

Frazod
10-07-2011, 10:48 AM
You really do put a lot of effort into reaching extremely high levels of retardation.

I suppose that deserves some recognition.

Well, not really, but if I did, you'd be a role model.

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2011, 10:48 AM
I like Pat Jones a lot - but he's just a senile ol' ball coach from Stillwater.

WTF does Pat Jones know about the SEC and Mizzou.

Sorry, but I listen to the SportsAnimal all the time when I'm in Oklahoma, they have stations in Tulsa and OKC so they cover most of the state. They also don't really know anything...ever. They were parroting the hell out of KK last year during the MU to the B1G fiasco.

As near as I can tell, they have zero sources outside of OU and OSU.

The CBS station in Dallas is reporting that Mizzou to the SEC is a done deal.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 10:48 AM
Over/Under. How many years after joining the SEC do Mizzu fans start having buyers remorse? I say during the first year you start to hear squeeks about it and during year 2 a full blown meltdown about how "stupid the move was" and with demands to go back to the Big 12.

Fucking Boomers...

Jesus you guys suck ass.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 10:48 AM
LMAO


I've seen his attempt at a New Yorker attitude, at which he fails.
I've seen his one-trick pony of trying to make it seem like college hoops has anywhere near the same pull as college football.

But the Texas picture is hilarious news to me as is the UT equation. ****ing tool.
Instead of Stockholm Syndrome perhaps WickedDumb has Austin Syndrome.


I know it is your moral obligation as an MU Tiger to deplore KU but I have respect for KU and don't hold WickedDumb against them.

I'm not sure what I've done or said to wrong with you but must have been bad with your constant personal posts against me lately.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 10:49 AM
WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
My sources say Ball State n negotiations 2 join the Big 12 if Mizzou leaves 4 SEC. Dave Letterman committed 2 launching Cardinal TV Network

Bambi
10-07-2011, 10:50 AM
Agreed, Im a Mizzou fan and I may be in the minority here, but I would rather stay in the Big XII. With that being said, I am not convinced about the stability of this conference. Therefore, even though I feel we are a much better fit in the Big XII I cannot disagree with the decision to move to the SEC.

hehe,

I like this post

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 10:50 AM
I just think after a few mediocre football seasons where they are finishing 7th or 8th place in the conference you are going to start here rumblings among the fans. The school itself may be better off financially, but I'm predicting a major 180 turn amongst the fans that want to make the move now. I think they would rather win on Fox Sports then lose on CBS.

Kansas is the doormat of the BIG 12-2-2, but I don't hear them clamoring to get into the MIAA.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 10:50 AM
The CBS station in Dallas is reporting that Mizzou to the SEC is a done deal.

Those are probably Pat's 'SEC sources' then.

I'm not kidding, he's never said a word down there that makes me think "SEC Insider".

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 10:50 AM
I just think after a few mediocre football seasons where they are finishing 7th or 8th place in the conference you are going to start here rumblings among the fans. The school itself may be better off financially, but I'm predicting a major 180 turn amongst the fans that want to make the move now. I think they would rather win on Fox Sports then lose on CBS.

OU's not going to end up a wallflower........unless Bevo says "bitch get back in line."

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 10:51 AM
Do all old coaches have twitter handles now?

I wish Norm would start one.

allen_kcCard
10-07-2011, 10:51 AM
The only clown I know is one that claims Kansas City Chiefs and St. Louis Cardinals.

I can't think of a bigger shame.

Yup, cause claiming the teams of a state that have been there since 1963 and 1882 is shameful and bandwagonish. What did you call it earlier? Opportunistic?

For me, I ws born a fan of both those teams, although I'm not really sure what your bringing it up here has to do with the thread other than trolling. I vote for being fans of these teams as making perfect sense and is quite the opposite of shameful.

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 10:52 AM
WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
My sources say Ball State n negotiations 2 join the Big 12 if Mizzou leaves 4 SEC. Dave Letterman committed 2 launching Cardinal TV Network

Might as well. They can start a rivalry with Tulane.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 10:53 AM
****ing Boomers...

Jesus you guys suck ass.

I'll miss you guys. I want Mizzu to stick around so I might be bias, but I really think MU fans will regret the move. I'm sure you'll hear "wait for the new recruits to come through that we'll be getting" as an excuse for being in the bottom 1/2 of the conference for awhile, but eventually that will fade and it will just be a bunch of pissed off people.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 10:54 AM
Over/Under. How many years after joining the SEC do Mizzu fans start having buyers remorse? I say during the first year you start to hear squeeks about it and during year 2 a full blown meltdown about how "stupid the move was" and with demands to go back to the Big 12.

That is going to depend entirely on the Big 12's stability and their next tier 1 contract.

If the Big 12 eventually falls apart, then I don't care how far their football program gets buried, leaving for the SEC is a smart move.

If the Big 12 cuts a very good tier 1 deal that makes their per-school payout competitive with the other major conferences and if they become stable for the long-term forseeable future, then leaving may become a tragic mistake, but we're talking 5-6 years out before anyone can even begin to conclude that.

It is a very tough decision that could have dramatic consequences if they make the wrong call, but there's no good way for them to predict what the "wrong call" is.

I'd think the correct move is to just stay with the Big 12, keep your ancient rivalries and your Texas recruiting pipeline intact, and rely on the probability that you'll be the first one thrown a lifeline if realignment apocalypse happens. The SEC is a sure thing now, but the only way MU gets left out years from now is if the PAC 12 goes to 16, the SEC stays at 14 forever, and the B1G stays at 12 forever. Possible, but very unlikely.

HemiEd
10-07-2011, 10:54 AM
Easy there. While it is true that many SEC households have more than 1 television it must also be taken into account that in 96% of those households one of those televisions does not work and is sitting in the front yard supporting the television that does work ifn you hold the beer can rabbit ears just right.

ROFL, I love this. Where would we be without stereotypes to make the world such a funny place? You need to work a gun rack and confederate flag in there somewhere.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 10:55 AM
Kansas is the doormat of the BIG 12-2-2, but I don't hear them clamoring to get into the MIAA.

I saw Nebraska do something similar :)

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 10:56 AM
I'll miss you guys. I want Mizzu to stick around so I might be bias, but I really think MU fans will regret the move. I'm sure you'll hear "wait for the new recruits to come through that we'll be getting" as an excuse for being in the bottom 1/2 of the conference for awhile, but eventually that will fade and it will just be a bunch of pissed off people.

I'll remember that when the Louisville-BYU score scrolls past the screen while I'm watching us play between the hedges.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 10:57 AM
That is going to depend entirely on the Big 12's stability and their next tier 1 contract.

If the Big 12 eventually falls apart, then I don't care how far their football program gets buried, leaving for the SEC is a smart move.

If the Big 12 cuts a very good tier 1 deal that makes their per-school payout competitive with the other major conferences and if they become stable for the long-term forseeable future, then leaving may become a tragic mistake, but we're talking 5-6 years out before anyone can even begin to conclude that.

It is a very tough decision that could have dramatic consequences if they make the wrong call, but there's no good way for them to predict what the "wrong call" is.

I'd think the correct move is to just stay with the Big 12, keep your ancient rivalries and your Texas recruiting pipeline intact, and rely on the probability that you'll be the first one thrown a lifeline if realignment apocalypse happens. The SEC is a sure thing now, but the only way MU gets left out years from now is if the PAC 12 goes to 16, the SEC stays at 14 forever, and the B1G stays at 12 forever. Possible, but very unlikely.

I agree.

Building up the Big 12 back up and playing in a conference title game every other year > buried in obscurity in the SEC

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 10:57 AM
I'll miss you guys. I want Mizzu to stick around so I might be bias, but I really think MU fans will regret the move. I'm sure you'll hear "wait for the new recruits to come through that we'll be getting" as an excuse for being in the bottom 1/2 of the conference for awhile, but eventually that will fade and it will just be a bunch of pissed off people.

Interesting to see how OU fans appear so committed to the conference after the PAC used them to try to get UT, and when UT balked they said "eh, it's not you it's me."

Bambi
10-07-2011, 10:58 AM
Yup, cause claiming the teams of a state that have been there since 1963 and 1882 is shameful and bandwagonish. What did you call it earlier? Opportunistic?

For me, I ws born a fan of both those teams, although I'm not really sure what your bringing it up here has to do with the thread other than trolling. I vote for being fans of these teams as making perfect sense and is quite the opposite of shameful.

Read the posts man.

I didn't bring it up.

I go to Yankee games because I love baseball.

Frazod seems to think that makes me a Yankee fan. I don't get why he thinks that.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 10:59 AM
I'll miss you guys. I want Mizzu to stick around so I might be bias, but I really think MU fans will regret the move. I'm sure you'll hear "wait for the new recruits to come through that we'll be getting" as an excuse for being in the bottom 1/2 of the conference for awhile, but eventually that will fade and it will just be a bunch of pissed off people.

What do you base this on?

What inherent advantage does Arkansas have over Mizzou? None - absolutely none. There's no history, no geography, no population base - NOTHING that says that Arkansas should be more successful than MU.

Yet Arkansas is out there doing a hell of a job, getting good recruits and excelling. What keeps Mizzou from doing that? Absolutely nothing - but you damn haughty OU fans just want to keep seeing everyone but OU and UT as the little sisters of the poor - fine, whatever.

And do you think that Pinkel brought a lucky rabbits foot with him when he came to the XII from freaking Toledo and THAT'S why he can recruit Texas? No - Pinkel made damn strong inroads into Texas because he's a very very good recruiter. He'll make those same inroads into Louisiana, Florida, etc...

And again - Mizzou football has had great fan support for decades, even when we were truly shit. It will continue to have excellent fan support.

What's more likely than us whining about the SEC is us breathing a sigh of relief after OU and UT decides to finally get the hell out of dodge and the whole XII collapses in on itself.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 11:00 AM
I'll miss you guys. I want Mizzu to stick around so I might be bias, but I really think MU fans will regret the move. I'm sure you'll hear "wait for the new recruits to come through that we'll be getting" as an excuse for being in the bottom 1/2 of the conference for awhile, but eventually that will fade and it will just be a bunch of pissed off people.

I used to think this way but if they aren't gonna stand strong with their conference brethren then they deserve their fate.

The sad thing is for the MU fans that want to stay with the rest of us.

I don't know what to say to them

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:01 AM
Kansas is the doormat of the BIG 12-2-2, but I don't hear them clamoring to get into the MIAA.

Missouri has a higher football ceiling then Kansas, IF they do not devastate their Texas recruiting pipeline. Mizzou's population is much larger than Kansas, and undiluted by a 2nd school. Missouri is not big enough alone to be successful, but combine Missouri with punching above their weight in Texas recruiting, then combine that with the Big 12 north, and you've got a decent chance at a national championship at least every decade.

In the SEC, Mizzou becomes Arkansas or Vanderbilt, which is still better than potentially being left out of the BCS conferences, but far lower than the Big 12 north, if long-term stability were assured. (which might be why Mizzou was demanding a 13-year commitment)

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:01 AM
Interesting to see how OU fans appear so committed to the conference after the PAC used them to try to get UT, and when UT balked they said "eh, it's not you it's me."

Right, because the PAC 10 would never want OU :facepalm:

Personally I've always wanted the Big 12 to stay together and find a way to make it work.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:03 AM
I used to think this way but if they aren't gonna stand strong with their conference brethren then they deserve their fate.

The sad thing is for the MU fans that want to stay with the rest of us.

I don't know what to say to them

God love ya, man.

I'm not sure what I'd do if you ever chose to not mindlessly parrot the company line.

"Proud Members of the Big 12!"

You really exposed yourself when you started touting how glad you were to have Bernadette Gray-Little running the show during all this; as though there was a name that could've been in there who you wouldn't have blindly supported.

You really are KnowMo with a chickenhawk hat on.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:04 AM
Right, because the PAC 10 would never want OU :facepalm:

Personally I've always wanted the Big 12 to stay together and find a way to make it work.

Uh...they didn't - remember?

Boren made it clear that OU would have taken off to the PAC if the invite was there. It wasn't, so he stayed. And the reason it wasn't was because UT wasn't going to come without major concessions that nobody in the PAC would make.

Without UT, OU just wasn't all that interesting to the PAC. Though at least it does appear that you can join KU fans screaming about the anchor schools holding you back.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:05 AM
Right, because the PAC 10 would never want OU :facepalm:

Personally I've always wanted the Big 12 to stay together and find a way to make it work.

LMAO

Were you under a rock for the last month? OU packed their bags to leave and the PAC said no to you. What part of that don't you understand?

Bambi
10-07-2011, 11:05 AM
God love ya, man.

I'm not sure what I'd do if you ever chose to not mindlessly parrot the company line.

"Proud Members of the Big 12!"

You really exposed yourself when you started touting how glad you were to have Bernadette Gray-Little running the show during all this; as though there was a name that could've been in there who you wouldn't have blindly supported.

You really are KnowMo with a chickenhawk hat on.

My school splits a state with another BCS school that has half the population of yours.

And still has a larger endowment...

The Big12 has served my school just fine.

Sorry it hasn't worked out as well for you.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:07 AM
PAC said Yes to Colorado and Utah, and No to OU.

LMAO

It doesn't get much worse than that.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 11:07 AM
Missouri has a higher football ceiling then Kansas, IF they do not devastate their Texas recruiting pipeline. Mizzou's population is much larger than Kansas, and undiluted by a 2nd school. Missouri is not big enough alone to be successful, but combine Missouri with punching above their weight in Texas recruiting, then combine that with the Big 12 north, and you've got a decent chance at a national championship at least every decade.

In the SEC, Mizzou becomes Arkansas or Vanderbilt, which is still better than potentially being left out of the BCS conferences, but far lower than the Big 12 north, if long-term stability were assured. (which might be why Mizzou was demanding a 13-year commitment)

You realize in the past 10 years Arkansas has been to 2 SEC Championship games and the Sugar Bowl?

allen_kcCard
10-07-2011, 11:08 AM
Read the posts man.

I didn't bring it up.

I go to Yankee games because I love baseball.

Frazod seems to think that makes me a Yankee fan. I don't get why he thinks that.


Whatever, not wanting to keep on an off subject issue in a thread that is already this jam packed.

I for one as an MU fan am in favor of going to the SEC. I see the challenges in football opponents as raising the bar higher and having to work to meet the new competive levels, just like playing the south teams more consistently would have in the B12. Hopefully losing on some of the recruiting clout in TX won't outweigh the additional benefits of being in the SEC and the new inroads in all these new states. I think the channels in TX aren't going to dissolve instantly, but could weaken over time as HS coaches and other types of relationships with recruiters end naturally.

I like MU taking their future the directions of their choosing instead of hanging on tight and hoping for the best.

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 11:08 AM
My school splits a state with another BCS school that has half the population of yours.

And still has a larger endowment...

The Big12 has served my school just fine.

Sorry it hasn't worked out as well for you.

Care to explain what the endowment has to do with the Big 12-2-2?

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:08 AM
What do you base this on?

What inherent advantage does Arkansas have over Mizzou? None - absolutely none. There's no history, no geography, no population base - NOTHING that says that Arkansas should be more successful than MU.

Yet Arkansas is out there doing a hell of a job, getting good recruits and excelling. What keeps Mizzou from doing that? Absolutely nothing - but you damn haughty OU fans just want to keep seeing everyone but OU and UT as the little sisters of the poor - fine, whatever.

And do you think that Pinkel brought a lucky rabbits foot with him when he came to the XII from freaking Toledo and THAT'S why he can recruit Texas? No - Pinkel made damn strong inroads into Texas because he's a very very good recruiter. He'll make those same inroads into Louisiana, Florida, etc...

And again - Mizzou football has had great fan support for decades, even when we were truly shit. It will continue to have excellent fan support.

What's more likely than us whining about the SEC is us breathing a sigh of relief after OU and UT decides to finally get the hell out of dodge and the whole XII collapses in on itself.

What are you talking about? I said MU would probably be about 7th or 8th in the conference most years. Arkansas is about the 7th best program in the conference so I'm giving you that you can be Arkanas. What I won't give you is LSU, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and probably South Carolina. MU can beat a good team in a given year ,but I just don't see them as even being more then the 7th-8th best football program in the conference. Will they have some years they might creep up to a 4th or 5th place finish? Possibly, but they possibly could have some years where they drop to 9th or 10th as well.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:09 AM
What inherent advantage does Arkansas have over Mizzou? None - absolutely none. There's no history, no geography, no population base - NOTHING that says that Arkansas should be more successful than MU.

Arkansas has a much closer proximity to the deep south and Texas. They get an OK number of recruits and still can't win. Mizzou gets their Texas recruits because they are the best Big 12 option after UT/OU and they play against 4 Texas teams. Texas kids who want to play against Texas A&M or for the SEC will have Mizzou pretty far down their list. Just about every major SEC team from Bama to Miss to Auburn to LSU would have to say no before they settle for Columbia.

Leaving for the SEC is going to crush Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

Frazod
10-07-2011, 11:10 AM
You realize in the past 10 years Arkansas has been to 2 SEC Championship games and the Sugar Bowl?

Don't confuse him with facts.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 11:10 AM
I'm giving you that you cna be Arkanas.

So, what you're saying is that MU can be a current top-10 team while in, by far, the best college football conference?

Bewbies
10-07-2011, 11:12 AM
You realize in the past 10 years Arkansas has been to 2 SEC Championship games and the Sugar Bowl?

No shit.

Mizzou has a better shot of ever winning a national title playing in the SEC than they do in the Big 12. Same goes for A&M.

If you can build your team to be good enough to win the SEC, they are more than good enough to win the whole thing.

mnchiefsguy
10-07-2011, 11:12 AM
Read the posts man.

I didn't bring it up.

I go to Yankee games because I love baseball.

Frazod seems to think that makes me a Yankee fan. I don't get why he thinks that.

Sorry, but if you spends thousands of dollars on season tickets for baseball, or any other sport for that manner, just about anyone with common sense would classify you as a fan of that team. Either that or incredibly stupid for lighting that much money on fire.

You just don't want to admit you are a Yankees fan. Which is funny, because as hated as the Yankees are, they have a history that their fans certainly can be proud of.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:12 AM
Arkansas has a much closer proximity to the deep south and Texas. They get an OK number of recruits and still can't win. Mizzou gets their Texas recruits because they are the best Big 12 option after UT/OU and they play against 4 Texas teams. Texas kids who want to play against Texas A&M or for the SEC will have Mizzou pretty far down their list. Just about every major SEC team from Bama to Miss to Auburn to LSU would have to say no before they settle for Columbia.

Leaving for the SEC is going to crush Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

Still can't win? Do you even follow football?

Arkansas was in the Sugar Bowl just last year. They are a top 10 team right now. Petrino is one of the highest paid coaches in the country because Arky is a big time program.

Saying Mizzou could become Arky as if it is some type of insult shows how clueless you truly are about all of this.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:13 AM
PAC said Yes to Colorado and Utah, and No to OU.

LMAO

It doesn't get much worse than that.

Yes, it's very tough winning conference titles and playing for national titles all the time. Nice trolling attempt though.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 11:15 AM
Care to explain what the endowment has to do with the Big 12-2-2?

Thats just the money.

Got some nice trophies along the way too.

mnchiefsguy
10-07-2011, 11:15 AM
No shit.

Mizzou has a better shot of ever winning a national title playing in the SEC than they do in the Big 12. Same goes for A&M.

If you can build your team to be good enough to win the SEC, they are more than good enough to win the whole thing.

I think it was Dak earlier in the thread pointed out that a higher percentage of SEC teams have been to the title conference game than Big 12 teams. The way I see it, the top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the BIG 12, but mid-level teams in the SEC are tougher by a fair amount. I think Mizzou can adjust and compete with the mid grade teams, and maybe occasionally take out one of the big dogs. I don't see Tiger football being in the bottom of the SEC.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:15 AM
What are you talking about? I said MU would probably be about 7th or 8th in the conference most years. Arkansas is about the 7th best program in the conference so I'm giving you that you can be Arkanas. What I won't give you is LSU, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, and probably South Carolina. MU can beat a good team in a given year ,but I just don't see them as even being more then the 7th-8th best football program in the conference. Will they have some years they might creep up to a 4th or 5th place finish? Possibly, but they possibly could have some years where they drop to 9th or 10th as well.

MU can be compete annually with Georgia and South Carolina easily.

Florida, Bama and LSU are the hogs in the conference and they'll likely be similar to OU, NE and UT for us when there was a healthy 12-team league in the XII.

But you'll note that there hasn't been a healthy 12-teamer in these parts for a bit now and it doesn't seem real likely that TCU is going to solve what ails us.

Getting out of the XII is the right move. In the SEC we'll be about where we've been for the last decade or so in the XII. Only we'll be getting paid more to do it. I can live with that.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:16 AM
So, what you're saying is that MU can be a current top-10 team while in, by far, the best college football conference?

After 3 or 4 games, yes I think they can in a given year. But the more that I look at the more MU looks like the 9th best program in the conference overall in the SEC.

kstater
10-07-2011, 11:17 AM
I doubt mizzou regrets moving to the SEC. Look at arkansas, they sure did build that program up, mizzou will do the same thing.

If mizzou is an arkansas in several years, i think that would be considered successful.

What? Arkansas won like 13 conference championships before joining the SEC, they've won 0 since.

Bambi
10-07-2011, 11:18 AM
Sorry, but if you spends thousands of dollars on season tickets for baseball, or any other sport for that manner, just about anyone with common sense would classify you as a fan of that team. Either that or incredibly stupid for lighting that much money on fire.

You just don't want to admit you are a Yankees fan. Which is funny, because as hated as the Yankees are, they have a history that their fans certainly can be proud of.

I had season tickets when it was at the old stadium. And that was only for two years and it was shared with a few other guys.

The new stadium is a joke and I've only been like three times.

Didn't go once this year.

Citi I went to about 4 times this year. It's practically free.

Just like the old Yankee Stadium was.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 11:18 AM
I think it was Dak earlier in the thread pointed out that a higher percentage of SEC teams have been to the title conference game than Big 12 teams. The way I see it, the top of the SEC is slightly better than the top of the BIG 12, but mid-level teams in the SEC are tougher by a fair amount. I think Mizzou can adjust and compete with the mid grade teams, and maybe occasionally take out one of the big dogs. I don't see Tiger football being in the bottom of the SEC.

MU can be compete annually with Georgia and South Carolina easily.

Florida, Bama and LSU are the hogs in the conference and they'll likely be similar to OU, NE and UT for us when there was a healthy 12-team league in the XII.

But you'll note that there hasn't been a healthy 12-teamer in these parts for a bit now and it doesn't seem real likely that TCU is going to solve what ails us.

Getting out of the XII is the right move. In the SEC we'll be about where we've been for the last decade or so in the XII. Only we'll be getting paid more to do it. I can live with that.


Considering Florida, Bama, and LSU are a combined 10-3 in BCS bowls while OU, UT, and Nebraska are a combined 7-7.. I"m going to go with the top of the SEC being more than a little better than the top of the Big XII. :D

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:18 AM
Yes, it's very tough winning conference titles and playing for national titles all the time. Nice trolling attempt though.

Tough? You have a great football program, maybe the best ever. And even with that, the PAC still wouldn't take you. That has to hurt.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:19 AM
MU can be compete annually with Georgia and South Carolina easily.

Florida, Bama and LSU are the hogs in the conference and they'll likely be similar to OU, NE and UT for us when there was a healthy 12-team league in the XII.

But you'll note that there hasn't been a healthy 12-teamer in these parts for a bit now and it doesn't seem real likely that TCU is going to solve what ails us.

Getting out of the XII is the right move. In the SEC we'll be about where we've been for the last decade or so in the XII. Only we'll be getting paid more to do it. I can live with that.

Do you think MU fans will be more happy in the SEC or in the days where they were playing in Big 12 title games and beating Nebraska? I know that MAY not be an option now.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:19 AM
Still can't win? Do you even follow football?

Arkansas was in the Sugar Bowl just last year. They are a top 10 team right now. Petrino is one of the highest paid coaches in the country because Arky is a big time program.

Saying Mizzou could become Arky as if it is some type of insult shows how clueless you truly are about all of this.

Well, the problem is that I don't think Mizzou can even be Arkansas, which would be their absolute improbable ceiling. In the Big 12 north they have the potential to be quite a bit better than Arkansas.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 11:19 AM
After 3 or 4 games, yes I think they can in a given year. But the more that I look at the more MU looks like the 9th best program in the conference overall in the SEC.

So the 7th to 9th best teams in the SEC can finish a season top-12 nationally?

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:19 AM
Arkansas has a much closer proximity to the deep south and Texas. They get an OK number of recruits and still can't win. Mizzou gets their Texas recruits because they are the best Big 12 option after UT/OU and they play against 4 Texas teams. Texas kids who want to play against Texas A&M or for the SEC will have Mizzou pretty far down their list. Just about every major SEC team from Bama to Miss to Auburn to LSU would have to say no before they settle for Columbia.

Leaving for the SEC is going to crush Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

Much closer? It's still just Arkansas; it's not going to kill Mizzou based on geography.

And yeah, an SEC move will hurt Mizzou's TX recruiting, but it will help it in other parts of the south. Was Mizzou the best option in the XII outside of TX before Pinkel came? Of course not, it was right alongside KU and ISU - remember? Pinkel made Mizzou an attractive destination while he was building that pipeline.

There's no reason he can't build another one.

You're good at your job or you aren't. Gary Pinkel is very very good at his job and he'll do just fine getting the programs recruiting bases back up to speed in the SEC. Especially if the XII implodes and the TX schools end up distributed in a bunch of different conferences anyway.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:20 AM
Tough? You have a great football program, maybe the best ever. And even with that, the PAC still wouldn't take you. That has to hurt.

No, even if that is the way it went down personally I want OU to stay in the Big 12.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:20 AM
What? Arkansas won like 13 conference championships before joining the SEC, they've won 0 since.

And I doubt you can find one Arkansas fan that regrets the move.

Why?

Because winning a bunch of games against shit opponents in a shit conference is less exciting than playing great games in the best conference in the country.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:21 AM
Mizzou has a better shot of ever winning a national title playing in the SEC than they do in the Big 12. Same goes for A&M.

If you can build your team to be good enough to win the SEC, they are more than good enough to win the whole thing.

Your second sentence presumes your recruiting won't take a major hit. It will. Missouri will have a far better chance at a championship in the Big 12, not because of the competition, but because they won't be able to convince as many high schoolers to go to Columbia if they are in the SEC.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 11:22 AM
Your second sentence presumes your recruiting won't take a major hit. It will. Missouri will have a far better chance at a championship in the Big 12, not because of the competition, but because they won't be able to convince as many high schoolers to go to Columbia if they are in the SEC.

ROFL LMAO ROFL ROFL LMAO


Being in the SEC has absolutely ZERO percent change of hurting a program's recruiting.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:22 AM
Much closer? It's still just Arkansas; it's not going to kill Mizzou based on geography.

And yeah, an SEC move will hurt Mizzou's TX recruiting, but it will help it in other parts of the south. Was Mizzou the best option in the XII outside of TX before Pinkel came? Of course not, it was right alongside KU and ISU - remember? Pinkel made Mizzou an attractive destination while he was building that pipeline.

There's no reason he can't build another one.

You're good at your job or you aren't. Gary Pinkel is very very good at his job and he'll do just fine getting the programs recruiting bases back up to speed in the SEC. Especially if the XII implodes and the TX schools end up distributed in a bunch of different conferences anyway.

I'm sorry, but kids in the deep south are not going to Mizzou in any significant numbers. For Mizzou, it is going to be Texas or bust, and in the SEC it will probably be bust.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:22 AM
Well, the problem is that I don't think Mizzou can even be Arkansas, which would be their absolute improbable ceiling. In the Big 12 north they have the potential to be quite a bit better than Arkansas.

Okay, and I will continue to assume you really don't know much of anything about college football.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:23 AM
Do you think MU fans will be more happy in the SEC or in the days where they were playing in Big 12 title games and beating Nebraska? I know that MAY not be an option now.

I think they'll look back on the 2005-2010 run as one of the brighter ones in the program's modern history.

They'll also recognize that the ship has sailed and that if they want to actually build off that burst of success, they need to seize on the momentum to try to build their program further.

There is no conference in the country that can give you a better platform from which to develop a football program than the SEC. Can Mizzou make the leap? Who knows - perhaps not. But they'd be absolute fools not to try it.

Frazod
10-07-2011, 11:24 AM
Okay, and I will continue to assume you really don't know much of anything about college football.

What was the final score the last time we played Arkansas? I certainly wouldn't have wanted to be them that day.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:25 AM
So the 7th to 9th best teams in the SEC can finish a season top-12 nationally?

No. But the 7th -9th overall best program can finish that high in a given year. They may have a great team one year and finish top 3-4 in the conference, but still in general not have as good of a football program on the whole. KU finished 7th in 2008, so yes I think A&M, Arkansas, or MU can finish top 12 if they have a great time or few breaks leading to a great season.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:25 AM
And I doubt you can find one Arkansas fan that regrets the move.

Why?

Because winning a bunch of games against shit opponents in a shit conference is less exciting than playing great games in the best conference in the country.

That and the whole "Southwestern Conference blowing up" thing.

Yeah - getting the hell out of the SWC was a pretty good idea for the Hogs.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:25 AM
ROFL LMAO ROFL ROFL LMAO


Being in the SEC has absolutely ZERO percent change of hurting a program's recruiting.

Hell yes it does, for Missouri. If you are a school in the deep south or Texas, then the SEC may help or at worst be a lateral move. Missouri will take a hit. If you are in Texas and you want to play with or against the 4 Texas Big 12 schools, Missouri is basically option #3, maybe #4 at worst.

In the SEC, Mizzou is so far down the list you won't even be able to see them in the pitch-dark hole, behind just about every other SEC team other than maybe Kentucky and a couple others.

mnchiefsguy
10-07-2011, 11:25 AM
KC Sports Commission took out an full page ad in the Star today to beg Mizzou to stay:

http://findnsave.kansascity.com/Local-Ads/a-66140/Kansas-City-Sports-Commission/2819870

-King-
10-07-2011, 11:26 AM
Wouldn't the florida recruits offset the texas recruits we would lose if we left the big 12?
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alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:27 AM
Okay, and I will continue to assume you really don't know much of anything about college football.

how in the holy hell do you expect kids in Texas or the deep south to go to Columbia, other than being a talent that virtually no one else in the SEC wants?

You think you can win in the SEC with just Missouri kids?

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:27 AM
I think they'll look back on the 2005-2010 run as one of the brighter ones in the program's modern history.

They'll also recognize that the ship has sailed and that if they want to actually build off that burst of success, they need to seize on the momentum to try to build their program further.

There is no conference in the country that can give you a better platform from which to develop a football program than the SEC. Can Mizzou make the leap? Who knows - perhaps not. But they'd be absolute fools not to try it.

Fair enough. However, can you not envision MU fans becoming frustrated after a season or two of finishing in the bottom half of the SEC after that five year run in the Big 12? I understand where you are coming from and you might be right, I'm just telling you what will happen with the masses IMO.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:28 AM
Wouldn't the florida recruits offset the texas recruits we would lose if we left the big 12?
Posted via Mobile Device

Who in Florida is going to columbia?

Texas kids go to Mizzou because they are one of the best teams in a conference that lets them play lots of games at their home state.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 11:29 AM
Hell yes it does, for Missouri. If you are a school in the deep south or Texas, then the SEC may help or at worst be a lateral move. Missouri will take a hit. If you are in Texas and you want to play with or against the 4 Texas Big 12 schools, Missouri is basically option #3, maybe #4 at worst.

In the SEC, Mizzou is so far down the list you won't even be able to see them in the pitch-dark hole, behind just about every other SEC team other than maybe Kentucky and a couple others.

Question for you: Who has a better football program right now, West Virginia or Missouri?

beer bacon
10-07-2011, 11:30 AM
Fair enough. However, can you not envision MU fans becoming frustrated after a season or two of finishing in the bottom half of the SEC after that five year run in the Big 12? I understand where you are coming from and you might be right, I'm just telling you what will happen with the masses IMO.

You're making an assumption that we will finish in the bottom half of the SEC when there is no evidence to support that.

Pants
10-07-2011, 11:31 AM
Uh...they didn't - remember?

Boren made it clear that OU would have taken off to the PAC if the invite was there. It wasn't, so he stayed. And the reason it wasn't was because UT wasn't going to come without major concessions that nobody in the PAC would make.

Without UT, OU just wasn't all that interesting to the PAC. Though at least it does appear that you can join KU fans screaming about the anchor schools holding you back.

The reason it wasn't there is because OU is packaged with OSU.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:31 AM
Who in Florida is going to columbia?

Texas kids go to Mizzou because they are one of the best teams in a conference that lets them play lots of games at their home state.

The same kids that would go to Arkansas. Or hell, Tennessee for that matter.

If Arkansas can recruit from the SEC, so can Mizzou - it's really that simple.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 11:32 AM
Who in Florida is going to columbia?

Texas kids go to Mizzou because they are one of the best teams in a conference that lets them play lots of games at their home state.

Two questions for you:

Who has a better football program, West Virginia or Missouri?

Is West Virginia located in the Southeast?

beer bacon
10-07-2011, 11:32 AM
Who in Florida is going to columbia?

Texas kids go to Mizzou because they are one of the best teams in a conference that lets them play lots of games at their home state.

They also go to Missouri because our coaches have built relationships with their schools/coaches that go back a decade.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:34 AM
how in the holy hell do you expect kids in Texas or the deep south to go to Columbia, other than being a talent that virtually no one else in the SEC wants?

You think you can win in the SEC with just Missouri kids?

So kids from Texas will sign with Mizzou because they want exposure in their home state, but kids from Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, etc absolutely will not do the same.

Got it.

You are on a roll.

beer bacon
10-07-2011, 11:37 AM
I'm real glad Pinkel hired former LSU recruiting coordinator Josh Henson.

DeezNutz
10-07-2011, 11:37 AM
Well, the problem is that I don't think Mizzou can even be Arkansas, which would be their absolute improbable ceiling. In the Big 12 north they have the potential to be quite a bit better than Arkansas.

al, you're one of my favorite posters because of our shared passion for the Royals, but you need to cover up here; your KU is showing.

beer bacon
10-07-2011, 11:38 AM
My problem as a KU fan is I think Mizzou sucks forever. How does Mizzou overcome that in the SEC?

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:39 AM
I'm real glad Pinkel hired former LSU recruiting coordinator Josh Henson.

Yup - how freakin' great is that guy going to be to have around?

The 2010 class was arguably the best in the program's history and it had his fingerprints all over it.

Like I said - I'm really not worried about recruiting. Come what may, this staff has shown an incredible ability to make it work.

DeezNutz
10-07-2011, 11:41 AM
Yup - how freakin' great is that guy going to be to have around?

It won't help. Mizzou is doomed. The phenomenal facilities, coupled with the move to a conference that produces more NFL talent than any other, are going to make it difficult to overcome counter-recruiting tactics.

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2011, 11:41 AM
The thing is Gary Pinkel is the big one behind the SEC push. He knows damn well that he can stay in the Big 12 cruise through the new Big 12 North with Louisville and Cincinnati as new rivals along with KU, KSU, and ISU. Play Oklahoma or Texas in the Big 12 championship game about every year and have a pretty good shot at BCS Bowl and 10 wins each year, and still recruit Texas like crazy. And with all of that, he still wants to take the program to the SEC. That should tell you something right there.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:42 AM
Since the formation of the Big 12, Mizzou has played on average 1 game per year in Texas.

If we go to the SEC, Mizzou will play on average 0.5 games per year in Texas (alternate with A&M).



WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!!!!

mnchiefsguy
10-07-2011, 11:43 AM
Yup - how freakin' great is that guy going to be to have around?

The 2010 class was arguably the best in the program's history and it had his fingerprints all over it.

Like I said - I'm really not worried about recruiting. Come what may, this staff has shown an incredible ability to make it work.

Also, from all reports, Pinkel is leading the internal push to go. I don't see him pushing to go to the SEC if he did not think Mizzou could be successful there.

Saul Good
10-07-2011, 11:43 AM
Your second sentence presumes your recruiting won't take a major hit. It will. Missouri will have a far better chance at a championship in the Big 12, not because of the competition, but because they won't be able to convince as many high schoolers to go to Columbia if they are in the SEC.

Now this I totally agree with. No way does a Texas kid pass up a chance to play in Provo, Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, and Morgantown to play Georgia, LSU, Tenn, Bama, Florida, Auburn.

Why would a kid from Texas want to play a game in December in Gainesville where its 65 degrees when he could play in Ames where its 20 below with the wind chill?

Why would fans want to party on Bourbon Street on Friday night before playing at LSU when they could hit up BWW on Mass street before playing beaks?

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:45 AM
Question for you: Who has a better football program right now, West Virginia or Missouri?

right now? Probably WVU, but Mizzou could pass them soon. The Big East is dead. If WVU is left out of conference realignment, they are dead in the water.

Saulbadguy
10-07-2011, 11:47 AM
how in the holy hell do you expect kids in Texas or the deep south to go to Columbia, other than being a talent that virtually no one else in the SEC wants?

You think you can win in the SEC with just Missouri kids?

Jesus.

Stick to basketball, squawk.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:49 AM
The thing is Gary Pinkel is the big one behind the SEC push. He knows damn well that he can stay in the Big 12 cruise through the new Big 12 North with Louisville and Cincinnati as new rivals along with KU, KSU, and ISU. Play Oklahoma or Texas in the Big 12 championship game about every year and have a pretty good shot at BCS Bowl and 10 wins each year, and still recruit Texas like crazy. And with all of that, he still wants to take the program to the SEC. That should tell you something right there.

In all honesty, I'd love to see Pinkel coach for another 5 years, bring in Christensen to run the show and slide up to the AD's role.

I liked him well enough when I was at Truman, but I've developed an incredible respect for him since I've come to Columbia. He's really a remarkable guy.

As soon as it became apparent that Pinkel was on board, I was full-steam ahead on this thing. If he's up for the challenge and if he thinks ending his coaching career in the SEC is worth doing, then I believe him.

Saulbadguy
10-07-2011, 11:50 AM
Two questions for you:

Who has a better football program, West Virginia or Missouri?



West Virginia.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:50 AM
So kids from Texas will sign with Mizzou because they want exposure in their home state, but kids from Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, etc absolutely will not do the same.

Got it.

You are on a roll.

Proximity matters, a lot. This whole "of course kids in Texas want to play in the SEC!" argument doesn't fly, because aside from LSU and Arkansas (proximity), they don't go to SEC schools in significant numbers now.

If you really think that a good talented kid in the deep south, with a lot more options in the SEC than a Texas kid has in the Big 12, will choose to go to Columbia over all the deep south SEC schools, then I don't know what to tell you.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:51 AM
Jesus.

Stick to basketball, squawk.

translation: "I don't have an answer. I believe Pinkel will beat all the SEC powers and convince kids to go to SEC's siberia through the magic of wishful thinking and unicorns"

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:52 AM
West Virginia.

I agree that West Virginia presently has a better football team.

I don't think they have a better program.

Let's not forget that MU just had 2 players go top 10 in the NFL draft and lost on the road in overtime against a very strong Arizona team (a game they should have won) and stuck to within 10 against a pissed of OU team in Norman.

MU's future is very very bright, SEC or otherwise.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:53 AM
Proximity matters, a lot. This whole "of course kids in Texas want to play in the SEC!" argument doesn't fly, because aside from LSU and Arkansas (proximity), they don't go to SEC schools in significant numbers now.

If you really think that a good talented kid in the deep south, with a lot more options in the SEC than a Texas kid has in the Big 12, will choose to go to Columbia over all the deep south SEC schools, then I don't know what to tell you.

Good point. Mizzou is very close in proximity to Texas.

Fun tip: Columbia is almost 200 miles closer to Atlanta than it is to Houston.

kstater
10-07-2011, 11:54 AM
d lost on the road in overtime against a very strong Arizona team (a game they should have won) and stuck to within 10 against a pissed of OU team in Norman.



Moral victory!!! http://goemaw.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/Excited.gif

ArrowheadMagic
10-07-2011, 11:54 AM
Question for you: Who has a better football program right now, West Virginia or Missouri?
W.Virginia and the kids they get from FL are the ones that have offers from Fl International and Atlantic.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:55 AM
Good point. Mizzou is very close in proximity to Texas.

Fun tip: Columbia is almost 200 miles closer to Atlanta than it is to Houston.

re-read my post. deep south kids have a ton of options. Big 12 kids do not, unless they think they can be the man who rebuilds Baylor or Okie State.

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2011, 11:56 AM
In all honesty, I'd love to see Pinkel coach for another 5 years, bring in Christensen to run the show and slide up to the AD's role.

I liked him well enough when I was at Truman, but I've developed an incredible respect for him since I've come to Columbia. He's really a remarkable guy.

As soon as it became apparent that Pinkel was on board, I was full-steam ahead on this thing. If he's up for the challenge and if he thinks ending his coaching career in the SEC is worth doing, then I believe him.

When Pinkel first came to Missouri, I didn't think he would last at all. Couple of my teammates were recruited by Mizzou, this would have been Pinkel's second year or so, and they were the biggest douchebag coaches I had met. Yost is a complete fuckhead IMO. Pinkel was a dick basically as well. I think Aaron O'Neils's death changed how they did things in Columbia, bc they have took a complete 360 from where they used to be. I run into Pinkel all the time during the summer at the Lake, he is a different guy than he was 10 years ago. He will never take Mizzou to a National Championship level but he is in that solid next tier below those guys for sure.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-07-2011, 11:56 AM
Is shit real yet?

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 11:56 AM
re-read my post. deep south kids have a ton of options. Big 12 kids do not, unless they think they can be the man who rebuilds Baylor or Okie State.

I'll reread your post when you stop ignoring the numerous counterpoints to your stupid and ignorant posts on football recruiting.

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 11:57 AM
Sorry if this has been said, but IMO the best thing for MU would be to force the Big 12 back into 2 divisions where they would spearhead the north. With Nebraska gone they would be favored most years to win it and eventually they are gonig to beat a south team a year here or a year there and get their BCS Bowl game I really just have a hard time seeing a path to a BCS Bowl game for them in the SEC.

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2011, 11:59 AM
Sorry if this has been said, but IMO the best thing for MU would be to force the Big 12 back into 2 divisions where they would spearhead the north. With Nebraska gone they would be favored most years to win it and eventually they are gonig to beat a south team a year here or a year there and get their BCS Bowl game I really just have a hard time seeing a path to a BCS Bowl game for them in the SEC.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=7974390&postcount=3960
That should sum it up for you.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 11:59 AM
Moral victory!!! http://goemaw.com/forum/Smileys/goEMAW/Excited.gif

Nope - losses.

But they're points worth making when discussing the overall strength of a football program. We're not going out there and having teams like Georgia Tech set records against us.

Mizzou, even when it loses, isn't getting embarrassed. It's all about the evolution of the program. Teams go from getting their asses kicked by everyone (KU), to beating bad teams but getting stomped by elite teams (the Daniel era Tigers) to beating the bad teams and hanging with the elite teams (hopefully where we are now) to simply winning against anyone (OU, Alabama, Florida).

It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.

But that's okay - enjoy the smack talk while you can. Grandpa Bill ain't gonna live forever and you fellas will go back to the kids table soon enough.

alnorth
10-07-2011, 11:59 AM
I'll reread your post when you stop ignoring the numerous counterpoints to your stupid and ignorant posts on football recruiting.

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.

:spock:

You are right, I haven't been replying to anyone's points, I'm just ignoring all responses and bulldozing my way forward.

If we're just going to talk past each other, then there's not much left to talk about, all we'll end up doing is annoy each other. There's a large number of fans, especially on Tigerboard, who are hell-bent on believing that nothing bad will happen to their recruiting, and there is nothing that will change that assumption except maybe a decade of results.

mnchiefsguy
10-07-2011, 12:00 PM
I think the KU fans in this thread are no longer afraid of Mizzou leaving because it will break up the BIG XII....but instead deep down they know there might a possibility that Mizzou football might just move to the next level. I think the thought of a competitive Mizzou fighting for an SEC divisional title year in year out with national exposure drives them crazy.

If Mizzou can't hack it in the SEC, then bottom line, they weren't going to hack it in the BIG XII either. At least Mizzou will have taken a chance at being something special, and competing in the elite football conference in college football.

The KU fans are like the fans on here that are afraid for the Chiefs to draft a qb because it might be a bust. The Mizzou fans are the ones that are saying draft the guy, and take a shot, knowing that it might fail. I think Mizzou fans are comfortable with taking that chance.

|Zach|
10-07-2011, 12:01 PM
Missouri has been taking kids that were over looked and putting them in a position to play on Sundays. That won't stop.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 12:01 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=7974390&postcount=3960
That should sum it up for you.

Where is the link stating Pinkel wants to go to the SEC? Even if he did it doesn't tell me shit other then he is a dumbass.

|Zach|
10-07-2011, 12:03 PM
Nope - losses.

But they're points worth making when discussing the overall strength of a football program. We're not going out there and having teams like Georgia Tech set records against us.

Mizzou, even when it loses, isn't getting embarrassed. It's all about the evolution of the program. Teams go from getting their asses kicked by everyone (KU), to beating bad teams but getting stomped by elite teams (the Daniel era Tigers) to beating the bad teams and hanging with the elite teams (hopefully where we are now) to simply winning against anyone (OU, Alabama, Florida).

It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.

But that's okay - enjoy the smack talk while you can. Grandpa Bill ain't gonna live forever and you fellas will go back to the kids table soon enough.

:clap:

alnorth
10-07-2011, 12:04 PM
If Mizzou can't hack it in the SEC, then bottom line, they weren't going to hack it in the BIG XII either. At least Mizzou will have taken a chance at being something special, and competing in the elite football conference in college football.

Again, it is not the competition, it is the (lack of) recruiting in what will become the SEC's Siberia. There are some ignorant KU/UT/whatever fans who are saying "LOL Alabama, Florida and LSU will crush the Tigers, good luck!", but that argument misses the point.

If Mizzou can maintain their recruiting in the SEC, then there's no reason why things can't come together every once in a while for a conference championship.

My argument is that you will likely fail in the SEC, not because the teams are tough, but because you'll be one of the last SEC options, whereas you are currently the 3rd or 4th Big 12 option.

There is no way to scientifically prove that, so I guess we'll have to come back in 2021 and revisit what happened.

mnchiefsguy
10-07-2011, 12:04 PM
Nope - losses.

But they're points worth making when discussing the overall strength of a football program. We're not going out there and having teams like Georgia Tech set records against us.

Mizzou, even when it loses, isn't getting embarrassed. It's all about the evolution of the program. Teams go from getting their asses kicked by everyone (KU), to beating bad teams but getting stomped by elite teams (the Daniel era Tigers) to beating the bad teams and hanging with the elite teams (hopefully where we are now) to simply winning against anyone (OU, Alabama, Florida).

It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.

But that's okay - enjoy the smack talk while you can. Grandpa Bill ain't gonna live forever and you fellas will go back to the kids table soon enough.

Excellent post..and this why I am excited about Mizzou moving on.

ChiefsCountry
10-07-2011, 12:05 PM
Here is a couple of Texas kids that played in the SEC
http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/11/Stafford.jpg
http://www.thefastertimes.com/nflpredictions/files/2011/02/Greg-McElroy1.jpg

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 12:06 PM
Sorry if this has been said, but IMO the best thing for MU would be to force the Big 12 back into 2 divisions where they would spearhead the north. With Nebraska gone they would be favored most years to win it and eventually they are gonig to beat a south team a year here or a year there and get their BCS Bowl game I really just have a hard time seeing a path to a BCS Bowl game for them in the SEC.

I've been trying to play racquetball more often of late and the guy I play with, I can beat right at 60% of the time. That said - I have a shit backhand, I mean absolute shit. So the last game I tried to get him to serve from the other side of the court, at my backhand. I lost and lost badly, every single game. I'll continue to lose badly until I figure that shit out, but I guarantee you I'll figure it out.

What's best for MU is to learn to play its backhand, not to keep getting by against a weaker opponent off one trick.

You continue to misinterpret MU fan's goals in all this - we like the North titles and all - but don't worship them (like Beakers and their Orange Bowl). What we want is to simply have great football in Columbia. We know our record is going to be worse for being the SEC, but I also fully expect that we'll field teams over the coming years that would absolutely piss-pound teams like last year's and the year before's.

"Spearheading the North" will stall us. We'll be a nice little program that gets on TV sometimes but never really shows up nationally. And yeah - that's probably about where we'll end up in the SEC as well, but the odds of us being something more than that improve in the SEC over the XII.

kstater
10-07-2011, 12:07 PM
).

It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.
.

WVU has 5 conference championships in the last decade in a BCS league(The weakest BCS league mind you). Mizzou? They appeared the the CCG that one time.

DaKCMan AP
10-07-2011, 12:07 PM
right now? Probably WVU, but Mizzou could pass them soon. The Big East is dead. If WVU is left out of conference realignment, they are dead in the water.

West Virginia.

Ok. So WVU has 19 players on their current roster that are from the state of Florida. Why don't you think a Mizzou team that's in the SEC couldn't compete for those 19 kids?

|Zach|
10-07-2011, 12:10 PM
LSU's former recruiting coordinator was brought to Missouri 3 years ago. He will be someone to lean on I imagine.

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 12:12 PM
WVU has 5 conference championships in the last decade in a BCS league(The weakest BCS league mind you). Mizzou? They appeared the the CCG that one time.

If this is the best argument you have, you should probably back it in.

The Tigers would've !@#$ing annihilated the Big East over the last 10 years.

But that's okay, big fella - let it all out. I know the Ron Prince years took a lot out of you and I'm sure the coming decade isn't going to be much kinder.

BigCatDaddy
10-07-2011, 12:12 PM
I've been trying to play racquetball more often of late and the guy I play with, I can beat right at 60% of the time. That said - I have a shit backhand, I mean absolute shit. So the last game I tried to get him to serve from the other side of the court, at my backhand. I lost and lost badly, every single game. I'll continue to lose badly until I figure that shit out, but I guarantee you I'll figure it out.

What's best for MU is to learn to play its backhand, not to keep getting by against a weaker opponent off one trick.

You continue to misinterpret MU fan's goals in all this - we like the North titles and all - but don't worship them (like Beakers and their Orange Bowl). What we want is to simply have great football in Columbia. We know our record is going to be worse for being the SEC, but I also fully expect that we'll field teams over the coming years that would absolutely piss-pound teams like last year's and the year before's.

"Spearheading the North" will stall us. We'll be a nice little program that gets on TV sometimes but never really shows up nationally. And yeah - that's probably about where we'll end up in the SEC as well, but the odds of us being something more than that improve in the SEC over the XII.


As an OU fan I guess I still don't get it. I'm perfectly happy in the Big 12 where we can get a national title game every 3 years or so then trying to run the gauntlet that is the SEC. Eventually they will win a few of those games and let's say Stoops ends up 3-5 in title games. I'll take that all day long.

eazyb81
10-07-2011, 12:13 PM
Again, it is not the competition, it is the (lack of) recruiting in what will become the SEC's Siberia. There are some ignorant KU/UT/whatever fans who are saying "LOL Alabama, Florida and LSU will crush the Tigers, good luck!", but that argument misses the point.

If Mizzou can maintain their recruiting in the SEC, then there's no reason why things can't come together every once in a while for a conference championship.

My argument is that you will likely fail in the SEC, not because the teams are tough, but because you'll be one of the last SEC options, whereas you are currently the 3rd or 4th Big 12 option.

There is no way to scientifically prove that, so I guess we'll have to come back in 2021 and revisit what happened.

Your argument makes no sense and is built on hyperbole.

You said our Texas recruiting will suffer because we won't play in Texas nearly as often, but didn't respond when I pointed out that we would go from 1 game on average in TX to 0.5 games.

You said proximity matters, but didn't respond when I pointed out that Columbia is closer to many deep south locales than Houston, a huge recruiting area for us.

You've clearly have built into your head that Mizzou will fail miserably in SEC recruiting to help you cope. Do your thing.

ArrowheadMagic
10-07-2011, 12:14 PM
Ok. So WVU has 19 players on their current roster that are from the state of Florida. Why don't you think a Mizzou team that's in the SEC couldn't compete for those 19 kids?

WV gets most of its talent from their local base, i.e Ohio,Maryland,Penn, VA. Its not the type of kids that build programs. Or you wouldnt have needed to ask which was better.

kstater
10-07-2011, 12:14 PM
If this is the best argument you have, you should probably back it in.

The Tigers would've !@#$ing annihilated the Big East over the last 10 years.

But that's okay, big fella - let it all out. I know the Ron Prince years took a lot out of you and I'm sure the coming decade isn't going to be much kinder.

WVU has 2 BCS bowl victories in the last decade(1 being a win over OU the year Mizzou made it to the CCG). Mizzou?

DJ's left nut
10-07-2011, 12:16 PM
As an OU fan I guess I still don't get it. I'm perfectly happy in the Big 12 where we can get a national title game every 3 years or so then trying to run the gauntlet that is the SEC. Eventually they will win a few of those games and let's say Stoops ends up 3-5 in title games. I'll take that all day long.

Because you guys have made that leap into the elite levels - MU hasn't and they damn sure won't picking on KU, ISU and K-State every year.

If I were OU, I'd absolutely rather have the easier path the the National Championship game (though I'd argue the reason you get your asses kicked in said game is because you aren't being tested enough, but that's a tangent). You guys are already as 'developed' as a program as you're going to be; now its just a matter of winning.

But MU still has a ways to go before they can get to that level. The best chance of getting there and continuing to develop the program is by taking the program during one of the most successful and stable times in its history, and stepping up its level of competition.

Pants
10-07-2011, 12:16 PM
This thread got Hep B.

DeezNutz
10-07-2011, 12:19 PM
This thread got Hep B.

The SEC would kill a mediocre STD.