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WilliamTheIrish
10-11-2011, 03:23 PM
Dennis Dodd getting in on the issue:

We're starting to get a clearer picture of the momentous decision Missouri has to make.

The school could make as much as $12 million more per year in the SEC according to this Monday Associated Press story.*

The AP obtained the document that was shown to the school's board of curators last week. It contains details about academics but the juicy stuff is the money. As reported previously, Missouri would face a significant exit fee if it leaves for the 2012 season.* The document pointed out Missouri would make approximately $2 million less in revenue staying in the Big 12 compared to the average SEC school in fiscal 2012 ($19.25 million-$17.16 million).

The real money is in the future where the SEC is two years into its 15-year, $3 billion deal with ESPN and CBS. At issue seems to be how that additional $12 million could be made.

I talked to multiple TV sources who could come up with, at most, an $8 million-$10 million increase for Missouri. That includes the extra money gained from the SEC title game. Also, there is normal yearly escalation in the contract that is currently paying that $19 million per year to SEC members.

The document could be referring to the back end of that 15-year deal. Typically, long-term contracts are "back-ended" where an escalating amount of money is paid at the end of the deal. That's one of the reasons why CBS partnered with TBS and Turner on a new NCAA tournament basketball deal. It was easier to redo the deal than to pay the bigger rights fees at the end of the old contract.

The other possibility is a much-discussed "SEC Network". Technically, that's the description of the current ESPN deal that distributes the conference across multiple platforms. What's being speculated, though, is a new revenue generator -- a bundling of the conference's third-tier rights to form a new cable entity. That theoretically would include one non-conference game from each school.

Each SEC school gets the rights to that one a year to telecast on a pay-per-view basis. The conference would have to negotiate to reclassify those rights so that they could be bundled.

As far as a windfall for the SEC by merely expanding to 14 teams, slow down. I'm told that the increase in revenue would be negligible. Remember, that additional revenue from expansion would be a negotiation. If the parties (ESPN, CBS) can't come to an agreement with the SEC on a new number then the issue goes to arbitration.

ESPN and CBS will rightly argue that they're already in Texas, where the SEC already does well in the ratings. The SEC will counter that it has added value. Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said Monday he doubted the $12 million figure, adding that Missouri will be a Big 12 member for 2012-13.

Neinas said for Missouri to gain an extra $12 million per year, the SEC would have to increase their TV revenue by $168 million.

Missouri never seems to be able to do anything privately when it comes to these matters. Remember, it was Gov. Jay Nixon who is blamed by many for touching off this latest round of realignment. There have been dueling "leaks" starting with an anonymous Missouri official last week saying that the Big Ten was the school's first choice.

Monday's AP story seems to counter that by stating how rich Missouri could become by moving. In the end, it points up how divided Missouri is on the subject. There is no clear consensus. Does the SEC want that?

Missouri is obviously concerned about the instability of the Big 12. The league is basically guaranteed to stay together for only the next six years. The SEC could be a lifetime decision.

The Big 12's newest head coach already has some advice for Missouri.

"Stay in the Big 12," TCU's Gary Patterson said. "It's a better fit. Same with me as far as [speculation about] taking jobs. I know what my plusses and minuses are here. Everybody thinks it's going to be a better place if they change.

kstater
10-11-2011, 03:24 PM
Has Mizzou won a conference game yet?

To be fair, they haven't gotten the chance to play any SEC teams yet.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 03:28 PM
The Big 12's newest head coach already has some advice for Missouri.

"Stay in the Big 12," TCU's Gary Patterson said. "It's a better fit. Same with me as far as [speculation about] taking jobs. I know what my plusses and minuses are here. Everybody thinks it's going to be a better place if they change.

When I want advice on staying loyal to a conference, TCU is the first place I'm going to turn.

I mean, they've only been in CUSA, WAC, SWAC, TIAA, MWC, Big East, and Big XII.

DeezNutz
10-11-2011, 03:31 PM
The SEC is the same as the Big XII. /Kietzman

Yes, he's that stupid.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 03:32 PM
The SEC is the same as the Big XII. /Kietzman

Yes, he's that stupid.

Any news on his idea to add MSU to the Big XII? Wickedson thought it was a bully idea yesterday.

Dayze
10-11-2011, 03:33 PM
yeah, the same, except for all the good teams.

WilliamTheIrish
10-11-2011, 03:33 PM
The SEC is the same as the Big XII. /Kietzman

Yes, he's that stupid.

Yep. He's the best.

Dayze
10-11-2011, 03:33 PM
almost as awesome as his 'the Big 12 is more stable than the SEC" argument last week.

beer bacon
10-11-2011, 03:34 PM
Yessss, get two Missouri universities into BCS conferences. That will show Jay Nixon.

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-11-2011, 03:35 PM
When I want advice on staying loyal to a conference, TCU is the first place I'm going to turn.

I mean, they've only been in CUSA, WAC, SWAC, TIAA, MWC, Big East, and Big XII.

I think his advice was that the grass is not always greener, not loyalty matters.

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-11-2011, 03:35 PM
Does Missouri State have a football program? I thought they were an all girl school.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 03:36 PM
Yessss, get two Missouri universities into BCS conferences. That will show Jay Nixon.

Then, let's show him our anger by writing nasty letters on stacks of $100 bills and sending them to him. That way he knows we mean business.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 03:37 PM
I think his advice was that the grass is not always greener, not loyalty matters.

The grass isn't always greener. Now excuse me while I move to our third conference in 6 months.

DeezNutz
10-11-2011, 03:38 PM
Any news on his idea to add MSU to the Big XII? Wickedson thought it was a bully idea yesterday.

Dude is so emotionally jaded about the whole thing that it's an absolute embarrassment.

talastan
10-11-2011, 03:39 PM
Does Missouri State have a football program? I thought they were an all girl school.

Their football team is 0-6 this year in the MVC. Yeah I'm sure that they are ready for the Big XII. :rolleyes: They might be able to compete on the basketball front and the baseball front though.

WilliamTheIrish
10-11-2011, 03:40 PM
I just want him to say BALLSACK! one time. Just one time.

Pants
10-11-2011, 03:41 PM
Dude is so emotionally jaded about the whole thing that it's an absolute embarrassment.

He's always an absolute embarrassment.

kstater
10-11-2011, 03:42 PM
I just want him to say BALLSACK! one time. Just one time.

Post it on goEmaw. BITB will get it on the air.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 03:43 PM
He's always an absolute embarrassment.

When's the last time you heard KK say something and thought, "that's a really good point"?

Dayze
10-11-2011, 03:46 PM
When's the last time you heard KK say something and thought, "that's a really good point"?

when he told me I should go buy a $2000 grill. and eating cookies all day as a diet was a good one too /~

WilliamTheIrish
10-11-2011, 03:46 PM
When's the last time you heard KK say something and thought, "that's a really good point"?

I think that whenever somebody talks about what he said on this forum.

Of course, I feel the same way about DeArmond.

Pants
10-11-2011, 03:47 PM
When's the last time you heard KK say something and thought, "that's a really good point"?

I only catch bits and pieces on my lunch (because my car radio is set to 810 in the morning) and he just makes me cringe. I quickly change to 610 because I would rather listen to the dumbass that is Nick Wright claim he was never really on the S4L bandwagon after the Chiefs manage to beat two atrocious teams.

Frazod
10-11-2011, 03:55 PM
Their football team is 0-6 this year in the MVC. Yeah I'm sure that they are ready for the Big XII. :rolleyes: They might be able to compete on the basketball front and the baseball front though.

They could probably beat KU. LMAO

talastan
10-11-2011, 04:01 PM
They could probably beat KU. LMAO

The MSU Bears Baseball team actually beat the Jayhawks this last spring. :thumb: :D

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/apr/06/missouri-state-stifles-ku-baseball/

HemiEd
10-11-2011, 04:12 PM
The MSU Bears Baseball team actually beat the Jayhawks this last spring. :thumb: :D

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/apr/06/missouri-state-stifles-ku-baseball/
They also beat Okie State, and lost to KU in 2010. :D

http://www.missouristatebears.com/sports/m-basebl/archive/m-basebl-sched-09-10.html

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-11-2011, 04:14 PM
But do the Lady Bears still dominate the hardwoods?

BigCatDaddy
10-11-2011, 04:16 PM
But do the Lady Bears still dominate the hardwoods?

I'm pretty sure most of the Lady Bears want nothing to do with hard wood.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 04:19 PM
But do the Lady Bears still dominate the hardwoods?

http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a457/Jessi_is_stupid/jessi/1.jpg

O.city
10-11-2011, 04:20 PM
I'm pretty sure most of the Lady Bears want nothing to do with hard wood.

After 4 years of having class with some of them at MSU, i'd say thats a pretty fair assessment.

kchero
10-11-2011, 04:21 PM
http://i1037.photobucket.com/albums/a457/Jessi_is_stupid/jessi/1.jpg

LMAO

Al Bundy
10-11-2011, 05:49 PM
Well hot damn this has made me chuckle tonight.

crossbow
10-11-2011, 06:16 PM
LMAO

Is that a Hardy's ten gallon hat she is wearing?

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 07:41 PM
Is that a Hardy's ten gallon hat she is wearing?

She's thinking Arby's.

Mr. Plow
10-11-2011, 08:24 PM
Is this because the exit penalties would be less or is it some other reason? I can't see MU going through everything they've done already to stick around for another year.





http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7087967/big-12-set-10-teams-2012-including-missouri-tigers


Big 12 says Missouri locked into 2012


Interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas said Tuesday that the league is set with 10 teams for 2012 with the addition of TCU, even though Missouri is exploring a possible departure to the Southeastern Conference.

"If Missouri was going to change horses, it wouldn't be for 2012 anyway," Neinas said.

The Big 12 has given no deadline for a decision from Missouri, though Neinas said there would need to be some determination by the end of the current academic year. The school has not ruled out remaining part of the Big 12.

Neinas said the Big 12 needs to know what Missouri plans to do before the league can fully evaluate whether to stay at 10 members or expand back to 12.

"We can't address the 10 vs. 12 until we determine that Missouri is going to be one of the 10," he said. "There's no consensus at the present time between the conference members as to 10 or 12."

TCU accepted an invitation Monday to join the Big 12. The Horned Frogs will replace Texas A&M, keeping the league at 10 members when the Aggies leave for the SEC next July.

While TCU will be the first new member since the Big 12 started play in 1996, Texas A&M will be the third school to leave. Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-12) left this year.

There were some indications after Big 12 athletic directors met last month that some might be in favor of staying at nine members. That has apparently changed.

"I don't think anyone is holding that position now. I think the idea would be 10 or 12," Neinas said, adding: "It won't be 16."

A 45-page document presented to Missouri curators earlier this month suggests the school would hope to get as much as $12 million more each year in additional revenue with a move to the SEC if TV deals are renegotiated. The document, which was obtained by The Associated Press, was shown to the curators after they gave chancellor Brady Deaton authority to explore a departure from the Big 12.

Asked about the report and the financial projection, Neinas responded, "I don't think that's accurate." Such projections would suggest the SEC would have to redo current deals and increase its annual TV income by $168 million based on a 14-team league, he said.

Big 12 leaders recently agreed to switch to equal revenue sharing after years in which the schools that made the most television appearances received the most money. The proposal, which would require schools to give their top TV rights to the Big 12 for six years, requires approval from the governing boards of Big 12 schools.

With equal sharing and a 13-year TV deal with Fox Sports worth more than $1 billion, Neinas indicated that the potential money per team could be similar in the Big 12 and SEC.

"We'll give Missouri time to evaluate its situation, and have an opportunity to look at the Big 12 Conference and perhaps get a better understanding of where we're going," Neinas said. "I think we're on the verge of making some good progress.

"We're in process of solidifying the conference, and I think that's already been proven," he said. "There are a lot of positives the curators of Missouri have a chance to listen to."

Neinas said he recently had a cordial conversation about Missouri with SEC commissioner Mike Slive, who he has known for a long time.

"I said basically, if you're going to extend an invitation to Missouri, let me know," Neinas said.

According to Neinas, Slive said no invitation had been extended to Missouri and that the SEC commissioner "didn't indicate one way or another" if that would happen. SEC leaders met Monday for their regularly scheduled fall meeting but took no action on expansion.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 08:36 PM
Well, if Neinas said it, you can take it to the bank. I look forward to seeing us play at Kemper Arena one last time.

Mr. Plow
10-11-2011, 08:45 PM
Well, if Neinas said it, you can take it to the bank. I look forward to seeing us play at Kemper Arena one last time.

That's what I was wondering. Assuming MU has the invite, I see no reason for them to stick around 1 year.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 08:48 PM
Neinas has zero say in the matter. This is between MU, the SEC, and the lawyers. I don't think some 80 year old guy who just took over as commissioner is going to call the shots here.

Mr. Plow
10-11-2011, 08:51 PM
Neinas has zero say in the matter. This is between MU, the SEC, and the lawyers. I don't think some 80 year old guy who just took over as commissioner is going to call the shots here.

Which is why I was asking.

mnchiefsguy
10-11-2011, 08:53 PM
Neinas has zero say in the matter. This is between MU, the SEC, and the lawyers. I don't think some 80 year old guy who just took over as commissioner is going to call the shots here.

Neinas is just doing his job, trying to make the Big XII look as stable and strong as possible. I don't think his statements mean all that much.

KcMizzou
10-11-2011, 08:54 PM
Which is why I was asking.I think a lot of it is ESPN's spin with the headline. They have a vested interest in Texas and the LHN.

KCSupersized
10-11-2011, 08:55 PM
That's what I was wondering. Assuming MU has the invite, I see no reason for them to stick around 1 year.

IIRC CU planned on staying a year later than NU, but the Big 12 said no thanks. That's why they paid less in exit fees.

I would think MU would do something similar.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 08:57 PM
I don't know what the conference can say about MU leaving after they negotiated reduced exit fees with Nebraska and Colorado. The conference didn't fight to keep the league together, so Mizzou should be able to walk.

As far as I'm concerned, the conference is in violation of the contract.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-11-2011, 09:01 PM
In reading that 45 page report that everyone's talking about, it sounds like the SEC schools stand to increase their television revenues by 45% from $20 million to $29 million per year from the addition of aTm and Mizzou when they re-work their contract.

Not a bad move for Slive.

no way are the numbers real. The SEC tv deal is worth about $15mil/school. No way are Tier 3 rights worth and additional $12mil/school.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 09:08 PM
no way are the numbers real. The SEC tv deal is worth about $15mil/school. No way are Tier 3 rights worth and additional $12mil/school.

I want you to know that I trust your analysis based on nothing more than I trust this exhaustively researched piece.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-11-2011, 09:10 PM
I want you to know that I trust your analysis based on nothing more than I trust this exhaustively researched piece.

and I'll take your word for it on contract law, dipshit.

I never knew MU fans were such conceited, self-assured, douchebags as many here and on Tigerboard have revealed. Thanks for that....

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 09:15 PM
and I'll take your word for it on contract law, dipshit.

You don't have to. You are welcome to look at the history of what has happened:

1. Nebraska breaks their contract and pays around 6 million.

2. Colorado breaks their contract and pays around 6 million.

and conclude that:

If Missouri breaks their contract (with a 12 team league that is now at 9 teams), they will be on the hook for 25 million.

Have fun.

alnorth
10-11-2011, 09:16 PM
no way are the numbers real. The SEC tv deal is worth about $15mil/school. No way are Tier 3 rights worth and additional $12mil/school.

He's probably referring to the renegotiation of tier 1 and 2. It may be that with a new contract the SEC could get a pretty good raise, but this analysis ignores the fact that the Big 12 is stuck with a way under-market tier 1 deal which comes up in 2015. In the end, the potential difference would probably be more like 5 or 6 million instead of 12.

alnorth
10-11-2011, 09:18 PM
You don't have to. You are welcome to look at the history of what has happened:

1. Nebraska breaks their contract and pays around 6 million.

2. Colorado breaks their contract and pays around 6 million.

and conclude that:

If Missouri breaks their contract (with a 12 team league that is now at 9 teams), they will be on the hook for 25 million.

Have fun.

Its not like a court ruled in favor of NU and CU. The Big 12 decided it was in their best interests to let them go with a small penalty. However, since then the Big 12 has significantly altered their rules on leaving the conference, and the commissioner appears to be signalling that the Big 12 is in no mood at all to let MU off cheap. It could cost them 25 million to leave in 2012, which is why he's suggesting Mizzou will opt for the longer notice and the lower penalty.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 09:30 PM
Its not like a court ruled in favor of NU and CU. The Big 12 decided it was in their best interests to let them go with a small penalty. However, since then the Big 12 has significantly altered their rules on leaving the conference, and the commissioner appears to be signalling that the Big 12 is in no mood at all to let MU off cheap. It could cost them 25 million to leave in 2012, which is why he's suggesting Mizzou will opt for the longer notice and the lower penalty.

1. The league established a precedent. The contract does not establish a set amount of penalty. Its based on "damages". If the damages have been set at $6 million in a 12 team league, it's not going to be higher now that the league is down to 9 teams.

2. The league hasn't changed anything regarding Missouri. They can't unilaterally change the contract.

3. The contract may have been undervalued with Nebraska, Colorado, and aTm. I doubt it gets revised upward with whatever teams replace them plus the existence of LHN.

My guess is that the conference decides that they need to move forward and can't afford to play a prolonged game of chicken with MU, especially if they are battling the Big East for teams. I think, if MU leaves, they settle for 3-6 million. If those numbers are off, they are more likely to be an over-estimate than under.

alnorth
10-11-2011, 09:56 PM
1. The league established a precedent. The contract does not establish a set amount of penalty. Its based on "damages". If the damages have been set at $6 million in a 12 team league, it's not going to be higher now that the league is down to 9 teams.

2. The league hasn't changed anything regarding Missouri. They can't unilaterally change the contract.

3. The contract may have been undervalued with Nebraska, Colorado, and aTm. I doubt it gets revised upward with whatever teams replace them plus the existence of LHN.

My guess is that the conference decides that they need to move forward and can't afford to play a prolonged game of chicken with MU, especially if they are battling the Big East for teams. I think, if MU leaves, they settle for 3-6 million. If those numbers are off, they are more likely to be an over-estimate than under.

http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/Bylaws.pdf

The bylaws are the bylaws, you can't wave your hands at them and claim they no longer mean anything, and they most certainly DO specify the penalty for leaving without adequate notice. The Big 12 merely made a business decision that it was better to waive part of the penalty in the past. I don't know for sure that they wouldn't do that with MU too, obviously, but the Big 12 commissioner is talking like, in a sharp contrast to the past 3 schools, that Mizzou will be held to the full penalty.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 10:04 PM
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/Bylaws.pdf

The bylaws are the bylaws, you can't wave your hands at them and claim they no longer mean anything, and they most certainly DO specify the penalty for leaving without adequate notice. The Big 12 merely made a business decision that it was better to waive part of the penalty in the past. I don't know for sure that they wouldn't do that with MU too, obviously, but the Big 12 commissioner is talking like, in a sharp contrast to the past 3 schools, that Mizzou will be held to the full penalty.

It doesn't work that way. Once you set the market, its extremely difficult to get the horses back into the barn. Given that MU signed onto a 12 team league that is missing 25% of the original signees, and its extremely unlikely that they will be able to collect anywhere near $25 million.

alnorth
10-11-2011, 10:14 PM
It doesn't work that way. Once you set the market, its extremely difficult to get the horses back into the barn. Given that MU signed onto a 12 team league that is missing 25% of the original signees, and its extremely unlikely that they will be able to collect anywhere near $25 million.

Well, the contract doesn't say $25MM, it is based on a percent of their share for the last 2 years, and in the contract they signed they agreed ahead of time that if they leave without notice, then they admit that they will have damaged the conference and they agreed, ahead of time, that they have no defense. They can try to worm their way out of it by whining about Colorado, but you can't easily claim they would win.

Saul Good
10-11-2011, 10:15 PM
I read the bylaws (applicable part starts on page 13), and there is nothing remotely specific regarding damages. In fact, it goes so far as to say that the specific damages can't be determined in the bylaws.

Throw in the fact that the bylaws spell out the members (including Neb, Col, and aTm), and you've got a pretty flimsy case if you're the conference, IMO.

alnorth
10-11-2011, 10:22 PM
I read the bylaws (applicable part starts on page 13), and there is nothing remotely specific regarding damages. In fact, it goes so far as to say that the specific damages can't be determined in the bylaws.

Throw in the fact that the bylaws spell out the members (including Neb, Col, and aTm), and you've got a pretty flimsy case if you're the conference, IMO.

You were confused by the legal language. When all parties agree that someone will be damaged when something bad happens, but they also agree that the amount of damage will be hard to determine, it is common to agree ahead of time to something that the law refers to as "liquidated damages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidated_damages)". That is what was done here. Often you will sign a contract saying "we agree that if *bad thing* happens, rather than fight about the proper penalty, which we also agree that the amount would be tough to determine, we'll just simply agree ahead of time to a fine of $X"

Mizzou agreed that if they left with notice less than a year but greater than 6 months, then they forfeit 90% of what they made for the last 2 seasons they were in the conference. The Big 12 would then refuse to pay Mizzou anything for the last part of this season (which is more than 10% at this point) and send Mizzou a bill for what they owe, which would be 90% of 2010, plus 90% of 2011 less what was withheld.

mnchiefsguy
10-11-2011, 10:31 PM
One of the blogs out there, I can't remember which one, broke down the BIG XII by-laws and showed that they were very poorly worded, and that it would be difficult to win in court. It made sense at the time, as many were wondering why CU and NU got such good buyout deals. If that is the case, I expect Mizzou to get a similar deal, since the BIG XII is not so confident in its legal standing. I tend to agree with Saul, if the BIG XII did not get the max out of CU and NU when the conference was at its strongest, I don't see how they get 25 mil out of aTm and Mizzou.

Pitt Gorilla
10-11-2011, 10:36 PM
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown Sources tell Orangebloods.com #BYU is no longer a candidate to join the #Big12 because BYU wants to be independent.

alnorth
10-11-2011, 10:40 PM
One of the blogs out there, I can't remember which one, broke down the BIG XII by-laws and showed that they were very poorly worded, and that it would be difficult to win in court. It made sense at the time, as many were wondering why CU and NU got such good buyout deals. If that is the case, I expect Mizzou to get a similar deal, since the BIG XII is not so confident in its legal standing. I tend to agree with Saul, if the BIG XII did not get the max out of CU and NU when the conference was at its strongest, I don't see how they get 25 mil out of aTm and Mizzou.

That is also reportedly true, I've read stories on that too. I am by no means confidently predicting that Mizzou will ultimately be held to the full penalty. High-dollar lawyers smarter than any of us can judge that better than us. I'm just saying the Big 12 has a contract that they can try to enforce, that contract does not look crazy on its face, and that the Big 12 commissioner appears to be signalling that this time they will enforce it.

It also makes sense in light of the fact that there may have been some objection from OU, based on their comments, to heavily penalizing a school that wants to leave. That, and a court fight never looks good.

Now that OU has no options and the stakes are much higher though, you can imagine a scenario where the conference decides to let CU and NU go, but digs in on MU.

alnorth
10-11-2011, 10:42 PM
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown Sources tell Orangebloods.com #BYU is no longer a candidate to join the #Big12 because BYU wants to be independent.

screw them and their strange hieroglyphic underwear.

Spott
10-11-2011, 10:53 PM
This thread may not have AIDS, but it definitely has gonorrhea and syphillis.

OnTheWarpath58
10-11-2011, 10:54 PM
This thread may not have AIDS, but it definitely has gonorrhea and syphillis.

More like crabs.

BillSelfsTrophycase
10-11-2011, 11:17 PM
Seriously tiggers shit or get off the pot

It's getting old

Pitt Gorilla
10-12-2011, 12:55 AM
Seriously tiggers shit or get off the pot

It's getting oldWhy? The Big 12 will wait.

BigMeatballDave
10-12-2011, 01:12 AM
More like crabs.

Dungeon crabs?...

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 07:43 AM
no way are the numbers real. The SEC tv deal is worth about $15mil/school. No way are Tier 3 rights worth and additional $12mil/school.

SEC schools received $18.3MM in revenue from Tier 1 and 2 contracts last year.

As has been stated ad nauseam in this thread, the SEC is not adding teams just to have more mouths to feed. Slive has even stated publicly that the contracts contain look-in provisions to renegotiate if the conference adds new members.

The ACC has publicly acknowledged that renegotiating their contract with ESPN was a key reason that they expanded. Take a look:

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2011/09/26/Colleges/ACC.aspx

The opportunity to reopen its 12-year, $1.86 billion deal with ESPN was a significant factor in the ACC’s decision to expand with Syracuse and Pittsburgh, Commissioner John Swofford told SportsBusiness Journal. The ACC signed that media agreement in May 2010, but subsequent rights-fee deals signed by the Big 12 and Pac-12 were considerably richer than the ACC’s.

The ACC’s contract with ESPN, which is valued at $155 million a year, contains a standard line called a “composition clause” that allows either the conference or ESPN to reopen the deal if membership increases or decreases by at least two schools. The conference or the network can act on that clause any time the conference’s membership changes by at least two schools.

The agreement does not permit the ACC to take its rights to the open market. But the addition of two schools does create the opportunity for a new negotiation and, undoubtedly, more money. If the two sides cannot come to an agreement, the deal would go to an arbitrator.

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 08:24 AM
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
Sources tell Orangebloods.com #BYU is no longer a candidate to join the #Big12 because BYU wants to be independent.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 09:07 AM
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown Sources tell Orangebloods.com #BYU is no longer a candidate to join the #Big12 because BYU wants to be independent.

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ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
Sources tell Orangebloods.com #BYU is no longer a candidate to join the #Big12 because BYU wants to be independent.

DJ's left nut
10-12-2011, 09:09 AM
Dungeon crabs?...

Dungeon...us....crabs?

I'm kidding. Crab Rangoon.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-12-2011, 09:10 AM
I had heard BYU was not wanting to share it's books with the league.

Frazod
10-12-2011, 09:12 AM
Dungeon...us....crabs?

I'm kidding. Crab Rangoon.

Phrasing!

OnTheWarpath58
10-12-2011, 09:26 AM
Dungeon...us....crabs?

I'm kidding. Crab Rangoon.

Wait, I had something for this.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 09:38 AM
I had heard BYU was not wanting to share it's books with the league.

Contribution issues?

http://i55.tinypic.com/4g21a9.jpg

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 09:57 AM
You were confused by the legal language. When all parties agree that someone will be damaged when something bad happens, but they also agree that the amount of damage will be hard to determine, it is common to agree ahead of time to something that the law refers to as "liquidated damages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidated_damages)". That is what was done here. Often you will sign a contract saying "we agree that if *bad thing* happens, rather than fight about the proper penalty, which we also agree that the amount would be tough to determine, we'll just simply agree ahead of time to a fine of $X"

Mizzou agreed that if they left with notice less than a year but greater than 6 months, then they forfeit 90% of what they made for the last 2 seasons they were in the conference. The Big 12 would then refuse to pay Mizzou anything for the last part of this season (which is more than 10% at this point) and send Mizzou a bill for what they owe, which would be 90% of 2010, plus 90% of 2011 less what was withheld.

I wasn't confused by anything. The conference agreed that a team leaving an intact league would cause damages of $6million. The conference is going to have a hell of a time showing that a team leaving an already fractured league owes more in damages than the first schools that left.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 10:02 AM
I wasn't confused by anything. The conference agreed that a team leaving an intact league would cause damages of $6million. The conference is going to have a hell of a time showing that a team leaving an already fractured league owes more in damages than the first schools that left.

Maybe this is incorrect - but after Nebraska/Colorado left, didn't the remaining teams, or the league, put in stiffer fines/etc. for leaving the Big 12? Not that really expect them to get $25 million out of MU, I would expect it to end up at minimum $6 million.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 10:08 AM
Chuck Neinas is an idiot, BTW. At his press conference, he discussed the report that MU could earn $12 million extra per year and proceeded to shit all over himself.

He said he doubted it was true because there would be 14 teams in the SEC, and the new contract would have to be worth $168 million more in order for all teams to get $12 million more. He completely disregarded the fact that nobody claimed that the SEC schools would make $12 million more, but nobody called him on his bullshit. In fact, the local media dipshits grabbed a handful out of his soiled Depends and ran with it.

This conference is a fucking clown show, and I hope like hell that we get the fuck out.

KChiefs1
10-12-2011, 10:13 AM
ChipBrownOB Chip Brown Sources tell Orangebloods.com #BYU is no longer a candidate to join the #Big12 because BYU wants to be independent.

BYU knows the Big 12 won't be around long.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 10:15 AM
Maybe this is incorrect - but after Nebraska/Colorado left, didn't the remaining teams, or the league, put in stiffer fines/etc. for leaving the Big 12? Not that really expect them to get $25 million out of MU, I would expect it to end up at minimum $6 million.

I believe that the conference is attempting to do this, but Mizzou won't sign on. Unless Mizzou agrees to change the contract, they aren't bound by anything beyond the original agreement.

The longer this plays out, the stronger Mizzou's hand gets regarding exit fees. Neinas shits his britches every time he opens his denture-laden mouth, and it plays right into Mizzou's hands when he does.
The more he tries to push Missouri to sign a new contract or get out the door, the easier it is for Missouri to say that the conference violated the contract. After all, despite all the speculation, Mizzou has not left the conference, nor have they applied to join any other conference.

evenfall
10-12-2011, 10:15 AM
This conference got rejected by BYU. Yeah... It's the place to be.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 10:16 AM
He completely disregarded the fact that nobody claimed that the SEC schools would make $12 million more, but nobody called him on his bullshit.

I thought that claim was in the MU report that was leaked....that a move to the SEC could make them (MU) $12 million more than they would have made in the Big 12.

Pants
10-12-2011, 10:22 AM
I thought that claim was in the MU report that was leaked....that a move to the SEC could make them (MU) $12 million more than they would have made in the Big 12.

Yeah, but because MU stands to make 12 mil more doesn't mean all SEC schools to stand 12 mil more, they already make more money than the Big12 counterparts. So in reality, MU would make 12 mil more and other SEC schools would make 6 mil more or something like that.

kstater
10-12-2011, 10:27 AM
Yeah, but because MU stands to make 12 mil more duijkoesn't mean all SEC schools to stand 12 mil more, they already make more money than the Big12 counterparts. So in reality, MU would make 12 mil more and other SEC schools would make 6 mil more or something like that.

The sec makes about 1.2 milion more than missouri will make this year(and will actually make less than the reported 20 million big 12 members wl make next year but that will be ignored). Neinas is basing his numbers of of that.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 10:30 AM
Yeah, but because MU stands to make 12 mil more doesn't mean all SEC schools to stand 12 mil more, they already make more money than the Big12 counterparts. So in reality, MU would make 12 mil more and other SEC schools would make 6 mil more or something like that.

Ahh, it was all in the wording. SEC schools won't make 12 million more, but MU potentially will.

Rooster
10-12-2011, 10:31 AM
I had heard BYU was not wanting to share it's books with the league.

Too many wives on the books?

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 10:31 AM
Mizzou might be playing this deal just right.

Sooner rather than later, I would guess the Big 12 gets tired of their shit and would just like to see them gone. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 10:33 AM
The sec makes about 1.2 milion more than missouri will make this year(and will actually make less than the reported 20 million big 12 members wl make next year but that will be ignored). Neinas is basing his numbers of of that.

No, he was basing it off of all SEC teams making an extra $12 million which is stupid.

Incidentally, if you think that the Big XII is going to get some fat new contract without aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado, you're more optimistic than I am.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 10:40 AM
Mizzou might be playing this deal just right.

Sooner rather than later, I would guess the Big 12 gets tired of their shit and would just like to see them gone. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

From your lips to God's ears...

What the hell good does it do to hold Mizzou hostage? Does it really make a league look attractive to other schools? As long as Mizzou is trying to escape, there will be zero stability to the conference.

Pants
10-12-2011, 10:46 AM
From your lips to God's ears...

What the hell good does it do to hold Mizzou hostage? Does it really make a league look attractive to other schools? As long as Mizzou is trying to escape, there will be zero stability to the conference.

We want your $$. Thanks.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 10:50 AM
From your lips to God's ears...

What the hell good does it do to hold Mizzou hostage? Does it really make a league look attractive to other schools? As long as Mizzou is trying to escape, there will be zero stability to the conference.

We agree on this 100%. They need to get it behind them and move on. Two years in a row, good bye.

Kind of like the girlfriend caught cheating the second time, its over and she should not have been given a second chance.

alnorth
10-12-2011, 11:00 AM
I wasn't confused by anything. The conference agreed that a team leaving an intact league would cause damages of $6million. The conference is going to have a hell of a time showing that a team leaving an already fractured league owes more in damages than the first schools that left.

You are talking about a negotiated settlement where the conference didn't want the bad press and ugliness of a public fight in court. That settlement does not automatically have an impact on the penalties that are in the bylaws. The Big 12 did not waive, forever and ever, their rights in the bylaws.

It may be better to again avoid the ugliness of a court fight and negotiate another settlement, but that is up to the conference. Mizzou is not entitled to a settlement if the Big 12 decides they want to play hardball, they have to convince a judge to ignore their contract.

alnorth
10-12-2011, 11:06 AM
All that said, I think Neinas' public statements that basically signalled a possible unwillingness to bend on the 2 year 90% penalty is stupid. The conference gains nothing from this, either they have the right to the penalty or not. Feel free to talk behind the scenes, but they shouldn't be publicly waving it in MU's face like this.

If MU were to voluntarily decide not to leave, they would need to do so out of a perceived position of strength, as if they were magnanimously doing it for the good of the rivalry. Now, if MU doesn't leave (and people in the SEC don't come out saying they didn't want MU or something), some might perceive that the Big 12 bullied them into staying because of the penalty.

Because of this bonehead move by the commissioner, I think Mizzou only stays if the SEC decides they'd rather have an East team to balance out the divisions, leaving MU with no options, but still pissed at the Big 12 and ready to leave ASAP, basically another TA&M situation.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 11:09 AM
All that said, I think Neinas' public statements that basically signalled a possible unwillingness to bend on the 2 year 90% penalty is stupid. The conference gains nothing from this, either they have the right to the penalty or not. Feel free to talk behind the scenes, but they shouldn't be publicly waving it in MU's face like this.

If MU were to voluntarily decide not to leave, they would need to do so out of a perceived position of strength, as if they were magnanimously doing it for the good of the rivalry. Now, if MU doesn't leave (and people in the SEC don't come out saying they didn't want MU or something), some might perceive that the Big 12 bullied them into staying because of the penalty.

Because of this bonehead move by the commissioner, I think Mizzou only stays if the SEC decides they'd rather have an East team to balance out the divisions, leaving MU with no options, but still pissed at the Big 12 and ready to leave ASAP, basically another TA&M situation.

Bingo

alnorth
10-12-2011, 11:19 AM
If I'm Mizzou, I'm probably going to be so outraged by this development, that if I had any inkling at all of staying, that is gone now. If, as Mizzou, I have an SEC invite in my pocket, I don't wait. Screw the penalty, fight it in court, and even if I lose, I rely on increased alumni donations and/or bigger SEC payments to tide me over, and even if that doesn't happen, I just eat the penalty rather than allow the public to perceive that MU is meekly crawling back under the cloud of a monetary threat by the Big 12.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 11:24 AM
You are talking about a negotiated settlement where the conference didn't want the bad press and ugliness of a public fight in court. That settlement does not automatically have an impact on the penalties that are in the bylaws. The Big 12 did not waive, forever and ever, their rights in the bylaws.

It may be better to again avoid the ugliness of a court fight and negotiate another settlement, but that is up to the conference. Mizzou is not entitled to a settlement if the Big 12 decides they want to play hardball, they have to convince a judge to ignore their contract.

The Big XII didn't waive anything, but they did set a baseline. It isn't binding, but it will absolutely be taken into consideration by the courts.

If an intact conference loses a member and settles for $6 million, what damages are due when a member leaves after 27% of their original partners have left?

I would say that if this goes all the way through the courts (which won't happen), there is a better chance of a judge ruling that the contract signed by Mizzou has been voided by the loss of members than for Mizzou to be forced to pay more than Nebraska or Colorado settled for.

I stand by my estimate of 3-6 million.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 11:25 AM
If I'm Mizzou, I'm probably going to be so outraged by this development, that if I had any inkling at all of staying, that is gone now. If, as Mizzou, I have an SEC invite in my pocket, I don't wait. Screw the penalty, fight it in court, and even if I lose, I rely on increased alumni donations and/or bigger SEC payments to tide me over, and even if that doesn't happen, I just eat the penalty rather than allow the public to perceive that MU is meekly crawling back under the cloud of a monetary threat by the Big 12.

I don't see the Big12 as the bad guy here, Mizzou put itself out there two years in a row. Just get it over with already.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2nsqnwm.jpg

Pants
10-12-2011, 11:29 AM
I don't see the Big12 as the bad guy here, Mizzou put itself out there two years in a row. Just get it over with already.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2nsqnwm.jpg

Naw. We want their exit fees. Why let them walk when we can make them pay?

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 11:31 AM
All that said, I think Neinas' public statements that basically signalled a possible unwillingness to bend on the 2 year 90% penalty is stupid. The conference gains nothing from this, either they have the right to the penalty or not. Feel free to talk behind the scenes, but they shouldn't be publicly waving it in MU's face like this.

If MU were to voluntarily decide not to leave, they would need to do so out of a perceived position of strength, as if they were magnanimously doing it for the good of the rivalry. Now, if MU doesn't leave (and people in the SEC don't come out saying they didn't want MU or something), some might perceive that the Big 12 bullied them into staying because of the penalty.

Because of this bonehead move by the commissioner, I think Mizzou only stays if the SEC decides they'd rather have an East team to balance out the divisions, leaving MU with no options, but still pissed at the Big 12 and ready to leave ASAP, basically another TA&M situation.

This all bolsters our case. Missouri can go to court and say that they were treated in a hostile manner by a conference that should be acting as an advocate. After all, MU is still a member in good standing, has broken no rules, has not stated any intention to withdraw, and has not applied for membership of any other conference.

What we are receiving is nothing short of abuse by the commissioner. Why the fuck would we stay in a conference that treats its remaining members this way?

tk13
10-12-2011, 11:34 AM
I don't see the Big12 as the bad guy here, Mizzou put itself out there two years in a row. Just get it over with already.
http://i56.tinypic.com/2nsqnwm.jpg

Yeah but that's a double edged sword because the teams calling the shots have basically put themselves out there two years in a row as well. That's where I see the hypocrisy in this. I wouldn't blame MU, KU, ISU or any of them for trying to leave. If UT and OU had their way, they would be in the Pac 12 right now and everyone else would be out to dry.
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HemiEd
10-12-2011, 11:39 AM
Naw. We want their exit fees. Why let them walk when we can make them pay?

Same reason for emptying a dirty diaper pale often, It just smells better.


The Big12 just might be making a stand, to prevent further erosion, I get that.

But the damage to the big picture, just might not be worth it.

I thought I read the SEC doesn't even have the exit penalties, correct? Why accentuate those differences publicly?

|Zach|
10-12-2011, 11:42 AM
I thought I read the SEC doesn't even have the exit penalties, correct? Why accentuate those differences publicly?

Adding to thew funny scene of all these conferences are waiting for schools to apply while the Big 12 invites TCU.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 11:42 AM
If I'm Mizzou, I'm probably going to be so outraged by this development, that if I had any inkling at all of staying, that is gone now. If, as Mizzou, I have an SEC invite in my pocket, I don't wait. Screw the penalty, fight it in court, and even if I lose, I rely on increased alumni donations and/or bigger SEC payments to tide me over, and even if that doesn't happen, I just eat the penalty rather than allow the public to perceive that MU is meekly crawling back under the cloud of a monetary threat by the Big 12.

Fuck that. If Mizzou's holding the nuts (an SEC invite), why would we muck our cards? Neinas is hanging himself, and we need to sit back and let him die.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 11:42 AM
Yeah but that's a double edged sword because the teams calling the shots have basically put themselves out there two years in a row as well. That's where I see the hypocrisy in this. I wouldn't blame MU, KU, ISU or any of them for trying to leave. If UT and OU had their way, they would be in the Pac 12 right now and everyone else would be out to dry.
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I either missed, or totally forgot UT and OU putting themselves out there last year. I thought it was just Nebraska and CU, followed by the MU thing.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 11:45 AM
Same reason for emptying a dirty diaper pale often, It just smells better.


The Big12 just might be making a stand, to prevent further erosion, I get that.

But the damage to the big picture, just might not be worth it.

I thought I read the SEC doesn't even have the exit penalties, correct? Why accentuate those differences publicly?

The SEC builds gates around the community. The Big XII builds prison walls. Where would you rather live?

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 11:47 AM
Adding to thew funny scene of all these conferences are waiting for schools to apply while the Big 12 invites TCU.

I hear ya. That being said though, I am kind of excited about TCU and what they bring to the table.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 11:47 AM
What we are receiving is nothing short of abuse by the commissioner. Why the fuck would we stay in a conference that treats its remaining members this way?


ROFL

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 11:49 AM
I either missed, or totally forgot UT and OU putting themselves out there last year. I thought it was just Nebraska and CU, followed by the MU thing.

I believe the order was MU/Nebraska/Colorado....aTm.....MU......OU......UT

tk13
10-12-2011, 11:53 AM
I either missed, or totally forgot UT and OU putting themselves out there last year. I thought it was just Nebraska and CU, followed by the MU thing.

There were plenty of rumors about a Pac 16 last year.
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HemiEd
10-12-2011, 11:56 AM
The SEC builds gates around the community. The Big XII builds prison walls. Where would you rather live?

A lot of information in this thread has been very informative, and my view of the whole subject has pretty much changed.
Some has not.
At first, like a lot of other fans of the Kansas teams, I was just worried what would happen to them.
Not any more.

1) If Mizzou can go to the SEC, they should just get gone and go, bye, and good luck. It was a nice ride, see ya.
2) The Big 12 needs to do damage control, and get the rotten apples out of the barrel now.
3) Whether Mizzou has a landing spot or not, they should be evicted, exit fees or not. It will NEVER be the same, NEVER.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 11:59 AM
I believe the order was MU/Nebraska/Colorado....aTm.....MU......OU......UT

That is how I had it down, with the OU and UT happening this year.

There were plenty of rumors about a Pac 16 last year.
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Thanks, I must have missed those

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 12:02 PM
1) If Mizzou can go to the SEC, they should just get gone and go, bye, and good luck. It was a nice ride, see ya.
2) The Big 12 needs to do damage control, and get the rotten apples out of the barrel now.
3) Whether Mizzou has a landing spot or not, they should be evicted, exit fees or not. It will NEVER be the same, NEVER.

The league will be worthless if you kick out TX and OU.

patteeu
10-12-2011, 12:02 PM
If I'm Mizzou, I'm probably going to be so outraged by this development, that if I had any inkling at all of staying, that is gone now. If, as Mizzou, I have an SEC invite in my pocket, I don't wait. Screw the penalty, fight it in court, and even if I lose, I rely on increased alumni donations and/or bigger SEC payments to tide me over, and even if that doesn't happen, I just eat the penalty rather than allow the public to perceive that MU is meekly crawling back under the cloud of a monetary threat by the Big 12.

I don't think Mizzou ought to react emotionally like that. There's apparently no reason for them to rush a decision, or alternatively, since I think a decision has probably already been made, to rush an announcement.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:03 PM
ROFL

Laugh all you want. Its one thing for rival fans to flip Missouri shit over this speculation. Its another thing for the conference to publicly threaten one of its members when said member has done nothing out of bounds. The conference should be protecting its members, not throwing one to the wolves.

Unless and until Missouri withdraws from the conference, they are a member in good standing and should be treated as such. Keep it up, though. We're preparing for a divorce, and Neinas is leaving threatening voicemails. When the court date comes, the judge is going to get to hear those messages, and I'm sure he will be impressed.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 12:05 PM
Laugh all you want. Its one thing for rival fans to flip Missouri shit over this speculation. Its another thing for the conference to publicly threaten one of its members when said member has done nothing out of bounds. The conference should be protecting its members, not throwing one to the wolves.

Unless and until Missouri withdraws from the conference, they are a member in good standing and should be treated as such. Keep it up, though. We're preparing for a divorce, and Neinas is leaving threatening voicemails. When the court date comes, the judge is going to get to hear those messages, and I'm sure he will be impressed.


You can't have it both ways. You can't play the "Missouri can wait as long as the Big 12 does so that it doesn't have to pay exit fees" card & then turn around and play the "Why won't the Big 12 just kick us out - they are being mean" card.

vailpass
10-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Anyone know when shit is gonna' get real?

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Unless and until Missouri withdraws from the conference, they are a member in good standing and should be treated as such.

This is true - outside of the good standing part. MU has refused to participate in votes that affect the conference - eventually, they'll either have to vote (commit to the conference) or say "We're leaving" and deal with the exit fees.

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 12:07 PM
Anyone else think it is interesting that the Big 12 is making this big public push towards equality, yet is forcing TCU to take a partial share of TV revenue for its first five years?

The Big 12 will never learn.

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:09 PM
Laugh all you want. Its one thing for rival fans to flip Missouri shit over this speculation. Its another thing for the conference to publicly threaten one of its members when said member has done nothing out of bounds. The conference should be protecting its members, not throwing one to the wolves.

Unless and until Missouri withdraws from the conference, they are a member in good standing and should be treated as such. Keep it up, though. We're preparing for a divorce, and Neinas is leaving threatening voicemails. When the court date comes, the judge is going to get to hear those messages, and I'm sure he will be impressed.

How is Neinas throwing you to the wolves? By saying that he expects you to pay your exit fees as stipulated by the by-laws or did I miss something?

mikeyis4dcats.
10-12-2011, 12:09 PM
Anyone else think it is interesting that the Big 12 is making this big public push towards equality, yet is forcing TCU to take a partial share of TV revenue for its first five years?

The Big 12 will never learn.

SEC did the same with TAM I believe. B1G did the same with NU.

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 12:10 PM
SEC did the same with TAM I believe. B1G did the same with NU.

No, A&M is a full member of the SEC from day one.

B1G did it with NU due to the Big Ten Network. And the Big Ten obviously does not have a public perception problem.

patteeu
10-12-2011, 12:10 PM
This is true - outside of the good standing part. MU has refused to participate in votes that affect the conference - eventually, they'll either have to vote (commit to the conference) or say "We're leaving" and deal with the exit fees.

Why? Why would they have to vote or make a new commitment to the conference? There's already an agreement in place.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:13 PM
You can't have it both ways. You can't play the "Missouri can wait as long as the Big 12 does so that it doesn't have to pay exit fees" card & then turn around and play the "Why won't the Big 12 just kick us out - they are being mean" card.

These positions are not ad odds with one another. The Big XII can either resolve the dispute amicably and let everyone get on with our lives, or Mizzou can play hardball. The end result is going to be about the same. Only the amount of collateral damage is yet to be determined.

SPchief
10-12-2011, 12:14 PM
This is true - outside of the good standing part. MU has refused to participate in votes that affect the conference - eventually, they'll either have to vote (commit to the conference) or say "We're leaving" and deal with the exit fees.

No they won't

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 12:16 PM
Why? Why would they have to vote or make a new commitment to the conference? There's already an agreement in place.

I guess I'm just making an assumption that eventually...at some point....MU will either have to comply with what has been voted on already, and approved, by the rest of the Big 12 - giving up TV rights for 6 years or whatever it was - or move on.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:16 PM
This is true - outside of the good standing part. MU has refused to participate in votes that affect the conference - eventually, they'll either have to vote (commit to the conference) or say "We're leaving" and deal with the exit fees.

We haven't refused anything. By all accounts, we were active members in the process and then abstained. There is nothing wrong with abstaining.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 12:17 PM
These positions are not ad odds with one another. The Big XII can either resolve the dispute amicably and let everyone get on with our lives, or Mizzou can play hardball. The end result is going to be about the same. Only the amount of collateral damage is yet to be determined.


So, it's either "Let MU have what they want" or "The Big 12 loses". Gotcha.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 12:18 PM
We haven't refused anything. By all accounts, we were active members in the process and then abstained. There is nothing wrong with abstaining.


True....but I'm saying that I would assume that at some point, you would either be required to vote on it or it would go through without your vote.

patteeu
10-12-2011, 12:19 PM
I guess I'm just making an assumption that eventually...at some point....MU will either have to comply with what has been voted on already, and approved, by the rest of the Big 12 - giving up TV rights for 6 years or whatever it was - or move on.

I'm sure there is a point of no return where a commitment will be forced on Mizzou if they're still around, but I'm equally sure we haven't arrived at that point yet.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:19 PM
How is Neinas throwing you to the wolves? By saying that he expects you to pay your exit fees as stipulated by the by-laws or did I miss something?

Why is he even referencing exit fees? He should just say that we are members in good standing, and that's it.

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:21 PM
Why is he even referencing exit fees? He should just say that we are members in good standing, and that's it.

He's referencing exit fees because MU is contemplating leaving. It doesn't mean you're not members in good standing and it's not throwing you out to the wolves.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 12:22 PM
Why is he even referencing exit fees? He should just say that we are members in good standing, and that's it.

But MU is also going out of its way to make sure the Big 12 knows it wants to leave. Why leak info about wanting into the Big 10.....why leak info about how much money you'll make moving to the SEC....why vote to look at moving conferences?

It's not like MU has been sitting there saying "We are members of the Big 12 and are looking forward to the expansion of the conference."

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 12:25 PM
Well this is interesting....

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/big_east_continues_to_explore.html

"Rutgers’ Board of Governors is expected to give athletic director Tim Pernetti the authority to pursue conference options during a regularly scheduled meeting Wednesday."

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 12:26 PM
Maybe the dominoes aren't stopping with Mizzou.

Is the ACC ready to go up to 16? Is Big Ten thinking about a move?

Rutgers could get the excitement going again.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:27 PM
So, it's either "Let MU have what they want" or "The Big 12 loses". Gotcha.

Its more like both sides lose. The Big XII might get a few bucks, but at what cost? When you're trying to sell yourself as an attractive, stable conference, do you really want to be publicly fighting with a charter member who wants nothing more than to get the hell away from you?

If you're considering joining a gym, and when you walk into the business office, 25% of the membership has just left for better gyms, and another is yelling about getting screwed because the gym won't let them cancel their membership even though the place is falling apart, are you joining that gym?

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:29 PM
If you're considering joining a gym, and when you walk into the business office, 25% of the membership has just left for better gyms, and another is yelling about getting screwed because the gym won't let them cancel their membership even though the place is falling apart, are you joining that gym?

The programs B12 is going for are going to love this gym because it's going to make them a shit ton more money than their previous gym.

It's not like B12 is planning on plucking B10 members.

I don't think they're too worried about their "image" at this point.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:31 PM
He's referencing exit fees because MU is contemplating leaving. It doesn't mean you're not members in good standing and it's not throwing you out to the wolves.

Who says we're contemplating leaving? Nobody who is authorized to make that decision has said that. At worst, that should be between the Big XII and Mizzou. Neinas shouldn't be airing dirty laundry when Mizzou has said nothing other than "we are proud members of the Big XII".

mikeyis4dcats.
10-12-2011, 12:35 PM
Who says we're contemplating leaving? Nobody who is authorized to make that decision has said that. At worst, that should be between the Big XII and Mizzou. Neinas shouldn't be airing dirty laundry when Mizzou has said nothing other than "we are proud members of the Big XII".

Mizzou hasn't said that.

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:36 PM
Who says we're contemplating leaving? Nobody who is authorized to make that decision has said that. At worst, that should be between the Big XII and Mizzou. Neinas shouldn't be airing dirty laundry when Mizzou has said nothing other than "we are proud members of the Big XII".

Neinas is not airing dirty laundry. He's addressing an issue. All he said is he doesn't believe MU would leave the conference until after 2012 due to the steep penalties they would incur as a result. He's not calling your school names, dog. I don't know why this is bothering you so much.

patteeu
10-12-2011, 12:39 PM
But MU is also going out of its way to make sure the Big 12 knows it wants to leave. Why leak info about wanting into the Big 10.....why leak info about how much money you'll make moving to the SEC....why vote to look at moving conferences?

It's not like MU has been sitting there saying "We are members of the Big 12 and are looking forward to the expansion of the conference."

My guess would be that those leaks are coming from people within Mizzou that don't want to leave the Big 12, not from people who do.

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:40 PM
My guess would be that those leaks are coming from people within Mizzou that don't want to leave the Big 12, not from people who do.

Do you think Neinas is stepping out of line by claiming a school would probably not leave the conference due to steep exit fees?

alnorth
10-12-2011, 12:46 PM
Do you think Neinas is stepping out of line by claiming a school would probably not leave the conference due to steep exit fees?

Yes, he is. The public message should be about discussing any concerns Mizzou may have and trying to resolve them, not about threatening a penalty many times larger than what anyone else has incurred. He's gone from "you don't need to leave" to "screw you guys, we're going to use the bylaws to hold you here for 2012".

Its fine to talk bluntly behind the scenes, but when you do it publicly in front of the media, you don't give Mizzou any way to save face if they stay. That might sound like stupid prideful garbage, but if its close to a 50/50 decision, which this would be only at best, then public financial threats would be my tiebreaker.

alnorth
10-12-2011, 12:48 PM
Well this is interesting....

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/big_east_continues_to_explore.html

"Rutgers’ Board of Governors is expected to give athletic director Tim Pernetti the authority to pursue conference options during a regularly scheduled meeting Wednesday."



you are right, this is very interesting. They would not be doing this unless Rutgers had a solid offer from the ACC or the B1G.

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:49 PM
Yes, he is. The public message should be about discussing any concerns Mizzou may have and trying to resolve them, not about threatening a penalty many times larger than what anyone else has incurred. He's gone from "you don't need to leave" to "screw you guys, we're going to use the bylaws to hold you here for 2012".

Its fine to talk bluntly behind the scenes, but when you do it publicly in front of the media, you don't give Mizzou any way to save face if they stay. That might sound like stupid prideful garbage, but if its close to a 50/50 decision, which this would be only at best, then public financial threats would be my tiebreaker.

I disagree. I would have no problem if he said he did not believe that Kansas would leave the conference due to the steep exit fees.

Just like Kansas, no one in position to do so at MU has claimed that MU is contemplating leaving.

patteeu
10-12-2011, 12:50 PM
Do you think Neinas is stepping out of line by claiming a school would probably not leave the conference due to steep exit fees?

As far as I'm concerned it's just meaningless noise. He has to respond to inquiries from the media and I would expect someone in his position to play the role of someone who couldn't possibly see Mizzou deciding to leave the conference even if he actually knows they're already gone. (I'm not saying that I know they're gone, I'm just saying they might be and he might already know it).

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:51 PM
The programs B12 is going for are going to love this gym because it's going to make them a shit ton more money than their previous gym.

It's not like B12 is planning on plucking B10 members.

I don't think they're too worried about their "image" at this point.

BYU wasn't impressed. You're competing with the Big East and the ACC. If you want crap schools that are just happy to be along for the ride, go for it. If you want Rutgers or WVU, that's different.

alnorth
10-12-2011, 12:51 PM
I disagree. I would have no problem if he said he did not believe that Kansas would leave the conference due to the steep exit fees.

Maybe not in 2006, but this is 2011 after NU, CU, and TA&M were let out easy. I would not be happy at all.

alnorth
10-12-2011, 12:54 PM
BYU wasn't impressed. You're competing with the Big East and the ACC. If you want crap schools that are just happy to be along for the ride, go for it. If you want Rutgers or WVU, that's different.

BYU is an odd duck. I don't know that they are in the mood to join ANY conference, unless it somehow became required.

"It's not about the money" is usually a blatant lie, as well as being a silly cliche, but with BYU it really isn't about the money. The church can meet all their financial needs, so its really about them being more comfortable with independence along with their bizarre honor code and refusal to play on Sundays.

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:55 PM
BYU wasn't impressed. You're competing with the Big East and the ACC. If you want crap schools that are just happy to be along for the ride, go for it. If you want Rutgers or WVU, that's different.

BYU didn't want to open their books so they opted to stay independent. You will have a point about BYU when they join a different conference. We'll see how it plays out with L'ville and WVU. No idea why you've brought Rutgers up.

mnchiefsguy
10-12-2011, 12:55 PM
Maybe not in 2006, but this is 2011 after NU, CU, and TA&M were let out easy. I would not be happy at all.

We don't really know if aTm is being let out easy or not. No final exit fee figure has been released for them yet. If them and Mizzou leave at the same time, one would expect the figures to be similar I would expect.

Pants
10-12-2011, 12:55 PM
As far as I'm concerned it's just meaningless noise. He has to respond to inquiries from the media and I would expect someone in his position to play the role of someone who couldn't possibly see Mizzou deciding to leave the conference even if he actually knows they're already gone. (I'm not saying that I know they're gone, I'm just saying they might be and he might already know it).

100% agree.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 12:59 PM
I disagree. I would have no problem if he said he did not believe that Kansas would leave the conference due to the steep exit fees.

Just like Kansas, no one in position to do so at MU has claimed that MU is contemplating leaving.

Shouldn't the message be that Mizzou should stay because of all the great things the Big XII has to offer? Instead, Mizzou should stay because the conference has a gun pointed at its members' heads.

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:01 PM
Shouldn't the message be that Mizzou should stay because of all the great things the Big XII has to offer? Instead, Mizzou should stay because the conference has a gun pointed at its members' heads.

He's said that as well. Still not sure what the big deal is.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 01:07 PM
BYU didn't want to open their books so they opted to stay independent. You will have a point about BYU when they join a different conference. We'll see how it plays out with L'ville and WVU. No idea why you've brought Rutgers up.

BYU would open its books for the B1G in a heartbeat.

Louisville is a crappy city school, and neither they nor WVU appear to have any options at the moment. I brought up Rutgers because they have declared free agency and would be a big addition.

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:09 PM
BYU would open its books for the B1G in a heartbeat.

OK

... and neither [L'ville] nor WVU appear to have any options at the moment.

That was my point.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 01:12 PM
He's said that as well. Still not sure what the big deal is.

The big deal is that MU has made no action towards leaving. Neinas just told his wife that he'll kill her if she ever leaves him, and he did it with the cameras running.

I'm not mad. Every time he opens his mouth, I see $$$$. I can't believe how ham-fisted this guy is. I'm not used to seeing someone this incompetent working outside Mizzou.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 01:17 PM
OK



That was my point.

So the marketing campaign for the Big XII should be:

The Big XII: Come for the lack of other options. Stay because the doors are locked from the outside.

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:18 PM
The big deal is that MU has made no action towards leaving. Neinas just told his wife that he'll kill her if she ever leaves him, and he did it with the cameras running.

No, he told his wife that he will take all her money if she leaves as was previously agreed upon in their prenup and happens to be public knowledge.

|Zach|
10-12-2011, 01:18 PM
So the marketing campaign for the Big XII should be:

The Big XII: Come for the lack of other options. Stay because the doors are locked from the outside.

:)

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:19 PM
So the marketing campaign for the Big XII should be:

The Big XII: Come for the lack of other options. Stay because the doors are locked from the outside.

There is no marketing campaign. Big 12 is trying to add schools where realistically possible. Why are you such a drama queen?

mikeyis4dcats.
10-12-2011, 01:24 PM
No, he told his wife that he will take all her money if she leaves as was previously agreed upon in their prenup and happens to be public knowledge.

After his wife got drunk and said she was going down to the bar to see who was horny.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 01:24 PM
The league will be worthless if you kick out TX and OU.

ROFL, that is not who I was referring to, as you know.

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:26 PM
After his wife got drunk and said she was going down to the bar to see who was horny.

WHOA, WHOA! SHE HAS NOT OFFICIALLY FILED THE DIVORCE PAPERS THOUGH!

Braincase
10-12-2011, 01:27 PM
BYU would open its books for the B1G in a heartbeat.

Louisville is a crappy city school, and neither they nor WVU appear to have any options at the moment. I brought up Rutgers because they have declared free agency and would be a big addition.

That crappy city school generates some nice revies.

"U of L reported athletic revenue of $74.936 million for the 2010-11 fiscal year during a meeting of its athletic association Tuesday. That was a $22.5 million increase over the previous year. It was $10.5 million more than projected and created a surplus of roughly $7 million, most of which will be designated to a contingency fund for debt payments on the football expansion."

Link (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/31235218)

I'm not sure about Mizzou, but based on what I found, their total Athletic Department revenue in 2009-2010 was $55,674 ,279.

Does anybody have figure for 2010-2011 fiscal year? I'd guess they probably dwarf that of Louisville, that crappy little city school.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 01:27 PM
Maybe the dominoes aren't stopping with Mizzou.

Is the ACC ready to go up to 16? Is Big Ten thinking about a move?

Rutgers could get the excitement going again.

Yeah, the Mizzou deal has lost it's burst.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 01:29 PM
The big deal is that MU has made no action towards leaving.


You know that isn't true, why keep saying it? The vote for MU to look at moving to another conference is enough to constitute this action you are looking for.

kstater
10-12-2011, 01:32 PM
That crappy city school generates some nice revies.

"U of L reported athletic revenue of $74.936 million for the 2010-11 fiscal year during a meeting of its athletic association Tuesday. That was a $22.5 million increase over the previous year. It was $10.5 million more than projected and created a surplus of roughly $7 million, most of which will be designated to a contingency fund for debt payments on the football expansion."

Link (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/31235218)

I'm not sure about Mizzou, but based on what I found, their total Athletic Department revenue in 2009-2010 was $55,674 ,279.

Does anybody have figure for 2010-2011 fiscal year? I'd guess they probably dwarf that of Louisville, that crappy little city school.
Yeah, but, how many conference championship games have they appeared in?

alnorth
10-12-2011, 01:33 PM
That crappy city school generates some nice revies.

"U of L reported athletic revenue of $74.936 million for the 2010-11 fiscal year during a meeting of its athletic association Tuesday. That was a $22.5 million increase over the previous year. It was $10.5 million more than projected and created a surplus of roughly $7 million, most of which will be designated to a contingency fund for debt payments on the football expansion."

Link (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/31235218)

I'm not sure about Mizzou, but based on what I found, their total Athletic Department revenue in 2009-2010 was $55,674 ,279.

Does anybody have figure for 2010-2011 fiscal year? I'd guess they probably dwarf that of Louisville, that crappy little city school.

I could see possibly being skeptical of Cinci, but to dismiss Louisville as a crappy city school seems odd.

kstater
10-12-2011, 01:38 PM
Shitty City School has played in(and won) more BCS bowl games than powerhouse from Missouri.

DJ's left nut
10-12-2011, 01:40 PM
I think I'm coming back around here....Mizzou's going to !@#$ this up.

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:43 PM
I think I'm coming back around here....Mizzou's going to !@#$ this up.

In a perfect world, you guys to the SEC after paying a hefty fucking fee (TEAM AMERICA) and we get WVU and L'ville to round out the Conference.

kstater
10-12-2011, 01:44 PM
In a perfect world, you guys to the SEC after paying a hefty fucking fee (TEAM AMERICA) and we get WVU and L'ville to round out the Conference.

Nah, Mizzou staying is the best outcome.(If only for the sheer comedic gold it's gonna bring)

DeezNutz
10-12-2011, 01:45 PM
In a perfect world, you guys to the SEC after paying a hefty ****ing fee (TEAM AMERICA) and we get WVU and L'ville to round out the Conference.

When Nebraska officially announced the university's departure, we all bragged about getting their money then, too. And it didn't really happen, at least not to the extent we had hoped.

Why would anyone think it will be different for any other school that might leave?

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:46 PM
Nah, Mizzou staying is the best outcome.(If only for the sheer comedic gold it's gonna bring)

No, because it's going to be a bunch of "we were wanted, we decided to stay after the concessions were made, we did you a favor, blabitty blah blah." I'd rather they GTFO, continue their mediocrity in everything in the SEC and everyone moves on.

Pants
10-12-2011, 01:46 PM
Why would anyone think it will be different for any other school that might leave?

Yeah, the world is not perfect.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 01:51 PM
That crappy city school generates some nice revies.

"U of L reported athletic revenue of $74.936 million for the 2010-11 fiscal year during a meeting of its athletic association Tuesday. That was a $22.5 million increase over the previous year. It was $10.5 million more than projected and created a surplus of roughly $7 million, most of which will be designated to a contingency fund for debt payments on the football expansion."

Link (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/31235218)

I'm not sure about Mizzou, but based on what I found, their total Athletic Department revenue in 2009-2010 was $55,674 ,279.

Does anybody have figure for 2010-2011 fiscal year? I'd guess they probably dwarf that of Louisville, that crappy little city school.

Oh no you don't! Don't go throwing facts in this drama!

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 01:53 PM
Nah, Mizzou staying is the best outcome.(If only for the sheer comedic gold it's gonna bring)

But they already have a built in escape, "the Prison Walls."

That being said, I bet they get the very best shot from every Big 12 team now, even in softball.

DeezNutz
10-12-2011, 01:55 PM
But they already have a built in escape, "the Prison Walls."

That being said, I bet they get the very best shot from every Big 12 team now, even in softball.

I don't think the players give two shits about most the alignment talk, honestly.

alnorth
10-12-2011, 01:59 PM
Oh no you don't! Don't go throwing facts in this drama!

If it makes people feel better, think of them as Kentucky State University, based out of Louisville. It isn't the name that matters, its the school.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 02:08 PM
Nah, Mizzou staying is the best outcome.(If only for the sheer comedic gold it's gonna bring)

Ha ha Mizzou. You had the conference by the balls and forced us to give you everything you wanted. You completely won the negotiation and leveraged that into a much better deal. Ha ha!

Saulbadguy
10-12-2011, 02:11 PM
Ha ha Mizzou. You had the conference by the balls and forced us to give you everything you wanted. You completely won the negotiation and leveraged that into a much better deal. Ha ha!

I won't laugh at Mizzou. I'll laugh at its fans.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 02:12 PM
I don't think the players give two shits about most the alignment talk, honestly.

Really? I am not going to argue with you, but there has been many posts on here saying the Big 12 is going to lose recruiting battles, due to the realignment, TCU etc.

But I was really referring to the Coaches, putting in a little extra effort. Similar to what the Chiefs saw from Chan Gailey, if you buy into that.

the Talking Can
10-12-2011, 02:13 PM
I'll gladly take louisville in the big 12

national bball brand w/ hall of fame coach (and abortionist)...massive upgrade in talent level and success from MU

a football program with money behind it, just needs a coach (see: petrino)...they can compete at some point, unlike KU football

gives KU basketball a toe hold into the south for recruiting..

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 02:18 PM
If it makes people feel better, think of them as Kentucky State University, based out of Louisville. It isn't the name that matters, its the school.

I have always had respect for Louisville, back to their MO Valley days. Those were some epic battles. Cincy as well.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 02:19 PM
Louisville's football program made a profit if $15 million. Mizzou's made $25 million.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 02:21 PM
Louisville's football program made a profit if $15 million. Mizzou's made $25 million.

Good, then pay the exit fees and lets move on. :D

DeezNutz
10-12-2011, 02:24 PM
Really? I am not going to argue with you, but there has been many posts on here saying the Big 12 is going to lose recruiting battles, due to the realignment, TCU etc.

But I was really referring to the Coaches, putting in a little extra effort. Similar to what the Chiefs saw from Chan Gailey, if you buy into that.

Eh, as long as OU and Texas anchor the conference, football recruiting will be just fine.

I'm not sure about any extra effort from coaches. Just seems like that would take a Kietzman-like level of insecurity, one that a doubt a guy like Bob Stoops/Old Man Snyder has.

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 02:28 PM
Louisville's football program made a profit if $15 million. Mizzou's made $25 million.


Someone....I believe saulbadguy.....a link to an article showing the top revenue schools in the country and which sport (football/basketball) brought in the most revenue. Louisville was listed in I believe the top 20 in the country in total revenue and was the only bball school listed in the top 30/40.

I've been looking for that article, but can't find it.

Saulbadguy
10-12-2011, 02:29 PM
Someone....I believe saulbadguy.....a link to an article showing the top revenue schools in the country and which sport (football/basketball) brought in the most revenue. Louisville was listed in I believe the top 20 in the country in total revenue and was the only bball school listed in the top 30/40.

I've been looking for that article, but can't find it.

I doubt I posted something that stupid and irrelevant. Who knows, though?

Reerun_KC
10-12-2011, 02:30 PM
I doubt I posted something that stupid and irrelevant. Who knows, though?

I dont...

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 02:31 PM
I doubt I posted something that stupid and irrelevant. Who knows, though?

For some reason, I thought it was you - but I could be way off.

Superturtle
10-12-2011, 02:35 PM
I remember Wickedson quoting it somewhere over the rainbow.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 02:36 PM
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/

Mr. Plow
10-12-2011, 02:39 PM
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/


Thanks!

Frazod
10-12-2011, 02:48 PM
I won't laugh at Mizzou. I'll laugh at its fans.

Boy, KSU's first win over Missouri in years sure has puffed up your cybernuts. LMAO

alnorth
10-12-2011, 02:50 PM
Louisville's football program made a profit if $15 million. Mizzou's made $25 million.

Your football revenues are $25.3MM. Your football profit was about $11.6MM

Louisville had football revenues of almost $26MM. How? I have no idea.

Saulbadguy
10-12-2011, 02:51 PM
Boy, KSU's first win over Missouri in years sure has puffed up your cybernuts. LMAO

I get while the gettin's good.

Frazod
10-12-2011, 02:56 PM
I get while the gettin's good.

:D

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 02:58 PM
Boy, KSU's first win over Missouri in years sure has puffed up your cybernuts. LMAO

There is added stimulus.

kstater
10-12-2011, 03:00 PM
What's Mizzou fan opinion on the 10 year 100 million dollar contract SunSports has with University of Florida?



http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2008/07/14/daily4.html

Pants
10-12-2011, 03:00 PM
What's Mizzou fan opinion on the 10 year 100 million dollar contract SunSports has with University of Florida?

Someone's been listening to the angry idiot.

kstater
10-12-2011, 03:01 PM
Someone's been listening to the angry idiot.


BITB

Pants
10-12-2011, 03:03 PM
BITB

Didn't Nick Wright beat him in the latest rankings?

DeezNutz
10-12-2011, 03:05 PM
What's Mizzou fan opinion on the 10 year 100 million dollar contract SunSports has with University of Florida?

The Big XII is really stable now! Really!

Don't put words in my mouth, sir. You need to apologize to me on the air. Now.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 03:06 PM
Good, then pay the exit fees and lets move on. :D

There's a scene in Pretty Woman where Richard Gere is negotiating a price with Julia Roberts. Julia wants $5000. Richard offers $2000, and they agree on $3000. Julia then tells him that she'd have done it for $2000 and looks all proud of herself. Richard smiles and tells her he'd have paid $5000.

He just wanted to make sure she remembered who thw whore was. I want out at any price, but a whore is worth what she'll take and not a penny more.

Unfortunately for the analogy, he ended up marrying the whore. I just hope we don't end up married to the Big XII when this is all over.

kstater
10-12-2011, 03:08 PM
Didn't Nick Wright beat him in the latest rankings?

No

Wright beat Kietzman one time(June).

epitome1170
10-12-2011, 03:09 PM
There's a scene in Pretty Woman where Richard Gere is negotiating a price with Julia Roberts. Julia wants $5000. Richard offers $2000, and they agree on $3000. Julia then tells him that she'd have done it for $2000 and looks all proud of herself. Richard smiles and tells her he'd have paid $5000.

He just wanted to make sure she remembered who thw whore was. I want out at any price, but a whore is worth what she'll take and not a penny more.

Unfortunately for the analogy, he ended up marrying the whore. I just hope we don't end up married to the Big XII when this is all over.

:facepalm:

That is the analogy you go with... a chick flick?

DeezNutz
10-12-2011, 03:09 PM
There's a scene in Pretty Woman.

I never knew you were a woman.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-12-2011, 03:15 PM
Someone's been listening to the angry idiot.

sounds like 2 of you have been...

Old Dog
10-12-2011, 03:15 PM
I'm hoping that the Big XII gets rid of the whore that keeps shopping itself too.

Rooster
10-12-2011, 03:15 PM
:facepalm:

That is the analogy you go with... a chick flick?

ROFL

I'm still trying to figure out who the whore is in this scenerio. :D

Pants
10-12-2011, 03:16 PM
sounds like 2 of you have been...

Yeah, like always, the radio was tuned to 810 from my morning drive to work. After about 2 minutes of cringing I had to hit the CD button.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 03:17 PM
:facepalm:

That is the analogy you go with... a chick flick?

I knew I was going to catch hell over that. Come at me, bro. I'm a man. I'm 33.

Saulbadguy
10-12-2011, 03:19 PM
:facepalm:

That is the analogy you go with... a chick flick?

I think conference realignment has run out of pointless metaphors and analogies.

Rooster
10-12-2011, 03:19 PM
I knew I was going to catch hell over that. Come at me, bro. I'm a man. I'm 33.

ROFL

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 03:20 PM
I'm hoping that the Big XII gets rid of the whore that keeps shopping itself too.

OU or TX?

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 03:23 PM
ROFL

I'm still trying to figure out who the whore is in this scenerio. :D

You don't pay a whore for the sex. You pay her to leave. Take your whore money and go find your next sucker. Cincy wants a piece of worn-out ass. Go turn a trick with him.

Mizzou's off to find a wife.

Braincase
10-12-2011, 03:27 PM
I never knew you were a woman.
He's a man, but he'd love to tell you what he did with Richard Gere for $2000.00. Do you live close to a pet store?

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 03:36 PM
He's a man, but he'd love to tell you what he did with Richard Gere for $2000.00. Do you live close to a pet store?

Don't worry. Even though you're not as hot as you were 15 years ago, there's always someone desperate enough to want a piece. Sure, they're going to be gross, and you aren't going to make as much. Just be glad that you can still walk after 15 years of taking Bevo up the ass.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 03:39 PM
There's a scene in Pretty Woman where Richard Gere is negotiating a price with Julia Roberts. Julia wants $5000. Richard offers $2000, and they agree on $3000. Julia then tells him that she'd have done it for $2000 and looks all proud of herself. Richard smiles and tells her he'd have paid $5000.

He just wanted to make sure she remembered who thw whore was. I want out at any price, but a whore is worth what she'll take and not a penny more.

Unfortunately for the analogy, he ended up marrying the whore. I just hope we don't end up married to the Big XII when this is all over.

LMAO,

Just my gut feeling, but I don't think you have to worry, once the people all do their job, that are paid to do this sort of thing. Lots of proud institutions involved here.

Rooster
10-12-2011, 03:41 PM
LMAO,

Just my gut feeling, but I don't think you have to worry, once the people all do their job, that are paid to do this sort of thing. Lots of proud institutions involved here.

As long as the students get a new library. These are institutes of higher learning, not football factories. ;)

Pants
10-12-2011, 03:42 PM
Just be glad that you can still walk after 15 years of taking Bevo up the ass.

How have you exactly been taking Bevo up your ass?

DeezNutz
10-12-2011, 03:43 PM
As long as the students get a new library. These are institutes of higher learning, not football factories. ;)

Louisville has a great fucking library.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 03:46 PM
As long as the students get a new library. These are institutes of higher learning, not football factories. ;)

:eek: You bring up a good point, it has been so many years since I have been on a college campus, is the library really relevant anymore?

Seriously, I hadn't thought about that, with the impact the internet has made.

Are they like study halls, with PC work stations?

I am sure there are still some reasons to still put your hands on a book, but I bet that is way down from what it used to be.

Just curious.

Braincase
10-12-2011, 03:47 PM
Don't worry. Even though you're not as hot as you were 15 years ago, there's always someone desperate enough to want a piece. Sure, they're going to be gross, and you aren't going to make as much. Just be glad that you can still walk after 15 years of taking Bevo up the ass.

Oh, look, he's into affirmations!

epitome1170
10-12-2011, 03:48 PM
:eek: You bring up a good point, it has been so many years since I have been on a college campus, is the library really relevant anymore?

Seriously, I hadn't thought about that, with the impact the internet has made.

Are they like study halls, with PC work stations?

I am sure there are still some reasons to still put your hands on a book, but I bet that is way down from what it used to be.

Just curious.

It was always a great place for me to take a nap on campus if I didnt feel like walking back to my room because I had another class in a hour or so.

HemiEd
10-12-2011, 03:48 PM
How have you exactly been taking Bevo up your ass?

Oh crap, shit just got real. This has grown into legend in this thread, how dare you question it, it is just accepted!

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 03:51 PM
:eek: You bring up a good point, it has been so many years since I have been on a college campus, is the library really relevant anymore?

Seriously, I hadn't thought about that, with the impact the internet has made.

Are they like study halls, with PC work stations?

I am sure there are still some reasons to still put your hands on a book, but I bet that is way down from what it used to be.

Just curious.

As far as I can tell, they are mostly used as the setting for pornography shoots.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 03:54 PM
How have you exactly been taking Bevo up your ass?

Texas is blocking a legitimate conference network deal. The B1G Network is a license to print money and guarantees that every game is televised and in HD.

You can not have a viable network in the Big XII as long as Texas isn't a party to it.

kstater
10-12-2011, 03:55 PM
Texas is blocking a legitimate conference network deal. The B1G Network is a license to print money and guarantees that every game is televised and in HD.

You can not have a viable network in the Big XII as long as Texas isn't a party to it.


And you think Florida's SunSports deal won't inhibit an SEC network?

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 04:00 PM
And you think Florida's SunSports deal won't inhibit an SEC network?

Its my understanding that they are giving that up when the SEC network is created. I believe, but don't know for sure, that the schools must be granted permission by the SEC in order to have their own networks and that this was granted to Florida on the condition that it gets folded into the SEC network.

Pants
10-12-2011, 04:00 PM
Texas is blocking a legitimate conference network deal. The B1G Network is a license to print money and guarantees that every game is televised and in HD.

You can not have a viable network in the Big XII as long as Texas isn't a party to it.

You want Texas to sacrifice their profits so your school can make more money?

WilliamTheIrish
10-12-2011, 04:02 PM
Mizzou's off to find a wife.

Mizzou ain't looking for a wife. That bitch is looking for a Daddy. And there is a whole lot of SEC Alabama black snake ready to pimp you out.

kstater
10-12-2011, 04:04 PM
Its my understanding that they are giving that up when the SEC network is created. I believe, but don't know for sure, that the schools must be granted permission by the SEC in order to have their own networks and that this was granted to Florida on the condition that it gets folded into the SEC network.

So the Big 12 didn't grant Texas(or every other school) permission to have their own network?

Reaper16
10-12-2011, 04:04 PM
:eek: You bring up a good point, it has been so many years since I have been on a college campus, is the library really relevant anymore?

Seriously, I hadn't thought about that, with the impact the internet has made.

Are they like study halls, with PC work stations?

I am sure there are still some reasons to still put your hands on a book, but I bet that is way down from what it used to be.

Just curious.
Libraries are more important than ever. Librarians are trained to help you be as thorough and efficient with your research as possible. They know how to use the internet for research purposes better than anyone.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 04:05 PM
You want Texas to sacrifice their profits so your school can make more money?

No. I expect Texas to do what's best for Texas. I also expect Mizzou to do what's best for Mizzou.

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 04:05 PM
And you think Florida's SunSports deal won't inhibit an SEC network?

I think we finally found Keitzman's CP handle.

Braincase
10-12-2011, 04:05 PM
Mizzou ain't looking for a wife. That bitch is looking for a Daddy. And there is a whole lot of SEC Alabama black snake ready to pimp you out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEEWE7gcPw0

mikeyis4dcats.
10-12-2011, 04:06 PM
I think we finally found Keitzman's CP handle.

calm down Mikey D...

Saulbadguy
10-12-2011, 04:06 PM
Mizzou ain't looking for a wife. That bitch is looking for a Daddy. And there is a whole lot of SEC Alabama black snake ready to pimp you out.

:eek:

kstater
10-12-2011, 04:06 PM
Libraries are more important than ever. Librarians are trained to help you be as thorough and efficient with your research as possible. They know how to use the internet for research purposes better than anyone.

I'd routinely used Hale library in this way. Use the internet and then get an actual hard copy of an article I was needing.

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 04:07 PM
Mizzou ain't looking for a wife. That bitch is looking for a Daddy. And there is a whole lot of SEC Alabama black snake ready to pimp you out.

Which conference has an equal partnership, again?

kstater
10-12-2011, 04:08 PM
Which conference has an equal partnership, again?

The Big 12?

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 04:08 PM
Which conference has an equal partnership, again?

Hey now, KSU fans are quite happy with their pimp-hoe relationship with Bevo, thank you very much.

kstater
10-12-2011, 04:09 PM
I think we finally found Keitzman's CP handle.

I'm not aware that he posts here. But I'm fairly certain I know what his handle on goEmaw is.

Saulbadguy
10-12-2011, 04:09 PM
Starting your own network > Participating in a conference network

WilliamTheIrish
10-12-2011, 04:09 PM
I think we finally found Keitzman's CP handle.

And we've had baby DeArmonds ventriloquist for several years too. It's cute how you wrench your face when he massages your prostate.

Pants
10-12-2011, 04:10 PM
No. I expect Texas to do what's best for Texas. I also expect Mizzou to do what's best for Mizzou.

So that's not exactly them fucking you in the ass, is it?

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 04:11 PM
So the Big 12 didn't grant Texas(or every other school) permission to have their own network?

Probably. The difference is that Texas is bigger than the Big XII, so we can't stop them out of fear they'll leave.

Florida is not bigger than the SEC, and they stand to make more money by dividing up SEC network revenue than they do by having a stand-alone Gator network.

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 04:11 PM
And we've had baby DeArmonds ventriloquist for several years too.

Sounds like a good tradeoff to try and keep the idiocy and whining at bay.

eazyb81
10-12-2011, 04:12 PM
Starting your own network > Participating in a conference network

Of course, if you're name is Texas.

Why share with the peasants when you can convince them that less money is a good thing?

Saul Good
10-12-2011, 04:13 PM
So that's not exactly them ****ing you in the ass, is it?

Sure it is. Its just not rape because we let them do it.

kstater
10-12-2011, 04:13 PM
I'm jealous of Texas' success, so I want to go somewhere else and become jealous of multiple peoples' success.
Kind of a weird point you have here.

Reaper16
10-12-2011, 04:13 PM
And we've had baby DeArmonds ventriloquist for several years too. It's cute how you wrench your face when he massages your prostate.
You're thinking of duncan_idaho, actually.