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baitism
10-15-2011, 06:13 PM
Going to be rough on you this winter because even your basketball team looks like it is way down.

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:13 PM
KU has the worst team in D-1 in the most popular sport in the country. You should feel inferior to every other team because you are.
This is like bragging that the Toronto Blue Jays are better than the Kansas City Royals. Who gives a shit?

Saul Good
10-15-2011, 06:14 PM
This is like bragging that the Toronto Blue Jays are better than the Kansas City Royals. Who gives a shit?

Evidently the SEC gives a shit.

I can't wait to see OU shitstomp the Hawks on ESPN tonight.

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:15 PM
Going to be rough on you this winter because even your basketball team looks like it is way down.
If by way down, you mean the B12 favorite and a virtual lock to make the tournament like every season under Bill Self. Very down, indeed.

Pasta Giant Meatball
10-15-2011, 06:15 PM
Orange Bowl.

Don't know, I don't worry about it. KU is a basketball school.


I'm just wondering what KU fans should feel inferior about. If anything, I've noticed there's a major complex the other way.

The Beakers getting that bid was a crime and an absolute joke.

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:17 PM
Evidently the SEC gives a shit.
I don't. The majority of KU fans don't. That was the point.


I can't wait to see OU shitstomp the Hawks on ESPN tonight.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Obsessed. I doubt I'll watch any of it, it's game 6 of the ALCS tonight.

Frazod
10-15-2011, 06:19 PM
That's one way to word that. Another is that in the best season that KU football ever had and ever will have, they still lost to MU, finished in 3rd place behind MU, ended the season ranked behind MU just like every other season. And that extra money they got from the Orange Bowl? That was spent buying out Mangino's contract and the football program is back to being a complete joke and won't even win a conference game this year.

That pretty much sums it up, other to say that had I driven to Kansas City to watch that KU/MU game and Missouri lost, it would have easily been the darkest fucking day of my life. I don't know how anybody can compare beating another fraud they have zero history with in an overhyped game that THEY ALL KNOW they didn't deserve to be in the first place, to beating your most hated rival in the biggest game they ever played against each other.

Whatever makes clowns like KCC and Wickedson happy, though. Personally, I'll take the W.

Saul Good
10-15-2011, 06:20 PM
I don't. The majority of KU fans don't. That was the point.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. Obsessed. I doubt I'll watch any of it, it's game 6 of the ALCS tonight.

I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.

Frazod
10-15-2011, 06:21 PM
I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.

I think I'll watch just for the comedic value.

SPchief
10-15-2011, 06:22 PM
This is the song that never ends, It goes on and on my friends

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:24 PM
That pretty much sums it up, other to say that had I driven to Kansas City to watch that KU/MU game and Missouri lost, it would have easily been the darkest ****ing day of my life. I don't know how anybody can compare beating another fraud they have zero history with in an overhyped game that THEY ALL KNOW they didn't deserve to be in the first place, to beating your most hated rival in the biggest game they ever played against each other.

Whatever makes clowns like KCC and Wickedson happy, though. Personally, I'll take the W.
I would have taken the W too, but my comment is about giving perspective.

Bragging about Mizzou being a better football program than KU is like me coming to this forum and bragging that the Jays regularly win 80 games a season rather than the Royals' 65. Are Royals fans going to care? Hell no, they'd laugh.

There is no inferiority complex here, there's no reason for one.

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:26 PM
I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.
What's the line at? 40?

Old Dog
10-15-2011, 06:27 PM
What's the line at? 40?

Currently 35x

Frazod
10-15-2011, 06:27 PM
I would have taken the W too, but my comment is about giving perspective.

Bragging about Mizzou being a better football program than KU is like me coming to this forum and bragging that the Jays regularly win 80 games a season rather than the Royals' 65. Are Royals fans going to care? Hell no, they'd laugh.

There is no inferiority complex here, there's no reason for one.

I must have missed the part where people from Kansas City once burned Toronto to the ground. And apparently I'm shocked to learn that Missouri and Ontario share a common border! Wow, who knew?

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:32 PM
I must have missed the part where people from Kansas City once burned Toronto to the ground. And apparently I'm shocked to learn that Missouri and Ontario share a common border! Wow, who knew?
You confuse me with someone that hates Mizzou fans simply because of the state they are from.

Frazod
10-15-2011, 06:33 PM
You confuse me with someone that hates Mizzou fans simply because of the state they are from.

Yeah, sure.

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:34 PM
Yeah, sure.
I'm from Canada. We don't hate anybody.

Brock
10-15-2011, 06:37 PM
I must have missed the part where people from Kansas City once burned Toronto to the ground. And apparently I'm shocked to learn that Missouri and Ontario share a common border! Wow, who knew?

Uh....is this a little bit more than a sports rivalry for you? LMAO

Bowser
10-15-2011, 06:38 PM
To be fair, it was post 4989 that set off the latest round of MU/KU pissing match.

Frazod
10-15-2011, 06:43 PM
Uh....is this a little bit more than a sports rivalry for you? LMAO

It was mainly just me debunking his bullshit analogy.

KC_Connection
10-15-2011, 06:43 PM
It was mainly just me debunking his bullshit analogy.
You didn't debunk anything. The analogy was about mediocrity.

CoMoChief
10-15-2011, 07:20 PM
ROFL

MU 3-14 all time vs. Self's Jayhawks

Gee...thought a rivalry was supposed to be competitive.

If MU does go to the SEC, it will be fun to watch another blue blood pound their shit in year after year in bball.

Chocolate Hog
10-15-2011, 07:21 PM
Como brings up a sport that doesn't count. Wanna give us Mizzou's record vs KU in baseball while you're at it?

Mr. Plow
10-15-2011, 07:21 PM
Hopefully it's because there's an announcement coming at homecoming tonight.


I'm curious, did aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado announce they were leaving mid year and then removing anything that would indicate they were still a member of the Big 12? Because regardless of the announcement, MU is at least a member of the Big 12 until mid next year.....as is aTm.

kstater
10-15-2011, 07:23 PM
I'm curious, did aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado announce they were leaving mid year and then removing anything that would indicate they were still a member of the Big 12? Because regardless of the announcement, MU is at least a member of the Big 12 until mid next year.....as is aTm.

Nubbs started changing all their signage on campus July 1, the day they officially joined the Big 10.

Saul Good
10-15-2011, 07:37 PM
I'm curious, did aTm, Nebraska, or Colorado announce they were leaving mid year and then removing anything that would indicate they were still a member of the Big 12? Because regardless of the announcement, MU is at least a member of the Big 12 until mid next year.....as is aTm.

Mid next year?

Mr. Plow
10-15-2011, 08:16 PM
Mid next year?


As in mid 2012 when MU would OFFICIALLY be a member of the SEC. I don't think it was that hard to figure out.

Mr. Plow
10-15-2011, 08:17 PM
Nubbs started changing all their signage on campus July 1, the day they officially joined the Big 10.


So, what you're saying is that they didn't start removing the Big 12 logo BEFORE they were members of the Big 10. I'm shocked.....shocked I tell you.

Spott
10-15-2011, 08:36 PM
ROFL

MU 3-14 all time vs. Self's Jayhawks

Gee...thought a rivalry was supposed to be competitive.

If MU does go to the SEC, it will be fun to watch another blue blood pound their shit in year after year in bball.

Shut up Muron.

KC_Connection
10-16-2011, 12:00 AM
Currently 35x
Looks like he should have bet on KU.

WilliamTheIrish
10-16-2011, 09:23 AM
Covering up the logo and removing the flags of the Big 12 teams?

Oh, you MU rebels. Nice win yesterday though.

KChiefs1
10-16-2011, 09:24 AM
Maybe. I have read that they did not want the game starting at 11:10 because of the homecoming parade, activities, etc. Not sure what not having the logos on the field means. With no TV, maybe they did not want to pay for the extra grounds keeping? Maybe they are sending a message to the Big XII? Both of those seem unlikely to me.

The reason it wasn't a Big XII broadcast is because we forfeit all of our TV money when we leave anyway, but we still hold our rights and they can't broadcast without our permission. I would bet a good pile of cash that we are threatening to hold back broadcast of more games if they don't settle with us for an agreeable amount.

Saul Good
10-16-2011, 09:45 AM
Covering up the logo and removing the flags of the Big 12 teams?

Oh, you MU rebels. Nice win yesterday though.

You too. Snyder is a freak of nature. Going to be 7-0 when you play OU after your bye next week.

KcMizzou
10-16-2011, 11:04 AM
Dave_Matter Dave Matter
#mizzou tells me Big 12 logo will return to the grass berms next week. No conspiracy theory.

KChiefs1
10-16-2011, 12:25 PM
Sunday, Oct 16, 2011

Regional differences complicate the question of Mizzou’s conference future

By KENT BABB and RUSTIN DODD

The Kansas City Star

CAPE GIRARDEAU, Mo. | Three men crouch along the waterfront, two of them balancing a level while another chips away old concrete and gravel from the riverwalk stairs. Their supervisor is standing nearby.

These are some of the men building Missouri, and for the better part of the last year, they’ve worked on a project to upgrade the floodwall that protects Cape Girardeau from the Mississippi River, one of the nation’s great transport lanes and crossroads. On this day, the men chatter about college sports and, as the nation waits for the University of Missouri to choose a conference — staying in the Big 12 or jumping to the Southeastern Conference or even the Big Ten — where their home state fits best.

“Each section of Missouri is its own little state,” says Stacy Langston, 34, the supervisor and a native Missourian. “Southeast Missouri is its complete own state. It’s just completely different anywhere you go.”

Across the river is Illinois, perhaps the center of the Midwest, and downriver a few dozen miles are the borders of Kentucky, Tennessee and Arkansas — the threshold to the South. To these workers’ backs, past the state’s western border, are the flatlands and cattle ranches of the Great Plains and the West.

Cape Girardeau is a junction city in a junction state, Missouri fitting partially in each of these regions but perfectly in none. There are contrasting personalities, cultures and ways of life in the state’s far reaches. Neighbors here — from the cotton fields of the Bootheel and corn farms in the state’s north to the rolling Ozark Mountains and the big cities on Missouri’s eastern and western borders — sometimes feel more like strangers.

“That’s one of the fun things,” Gov. Jay Nixon says, “about governing in the state of Missouri: You have to weave together a very complicated fabric in order to move forward.”

When the university decides on a conference, many residents are certain to feel alienated. It won’t be the first time this state has been an awkward fit. A century and a half ago, Missouri was a border state in the Civil War, when neighbors battled because the state fit both Union and Confederate philosophies.

“Coming from southern Missouri, it’s incredibly different from northern Missouri,” says Cabool, Mo., native Tymon Bay, 24, a law student at the University of Missouri and the son of a history teacher. “We like things the way we like it; they like it the way they like it. … We don’t want to be told what to do.”

For now, the university is taking its time deciding which conference feels most like home — and which might offer the best deal. There are, of course, money and politics in play. But it has at least given the state’s residents something to talk about, and reason to debate where Missouri belongs.

As a freight barge glides north on the Mississippi, these four workers talk about this state’s, and therefore their own, identity. Langston, the supervisor, hopes MU jumps to the SEC; his colleague Jason Goben, 32, would prefer the Tigers remain loyal to the Big 12.

This is sometimes what it’s like to be a Missourian.

• • •

KENNETT, Mo. | Jason Chandler stands in the early afternoon sun, cotton lint clinging to his St. Louis Cardinals hat as he watches two industrial cotton pickers cut paths in a 120-acre field. It’s harvest time in the western corner of Missouri’s Bootheel, where the tea is sweet, the barbecued pork is topped with coleslaw, and the residents speak with a drawl that seems borrowed from the Mississippi Delta.

“We’ve got our own language around here,” says Chandler, 31.

In the southernmost tip of the state, it’s possible to grow cotton, a crop that’s foreign to most of Missouri. Chandler says he hopes to harvest about 6,000 bales this year; each bale can hold more than two tons of unginned cotton. He said Missouri residents north of here can say what they want about the state being Midwestern or part of the Plains.

This, he says, is the South. There’s a sense of community in Kennett, population 12,000, that places outside the region seem to lack.

“It seems like when you get around there to St. Louis,” he says, “it just changes some.”

A few miles from here, the lunch crowd gathers at Kennett Country Club. The table in the rear corner is packed every Tuesday through Friday. On most afternoons, the conversation turns to sports, and this day is no different. Digging into the Tuesday special, hamburger steak and grilled onions, the friends needle each other about the Cardinals, who reached the playoffs only after a late-season turnaround.

“Well,” says Terry Whitlock, who runs a roofing outfit, “I know somebody who just gave up this year.”

“You’re damn right I did,” lawyer Mark Pelts says. “I was ready to have the funeral.”

They laugh together for a long time.

“We’ll argue about anything,” Pelts says.

One thing here that’s not up for debate is the conference that suits MU best. Many Bootheel residents identify with the SEC; after all, the universities of Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama are closer to Kennett than Mizzou, whose campus is 320 miles from here.

Of the seven voting members of the Missouri Board of Curators who will eventually vote on a conference destination, two — Judith Haggard and Don Downing — are Kennett natives. The men here hope their influence carries and the board votes to send MU to the SEC.

“We’re a long way from Columbia,” says Pelts, who earned an undergraduate degree from MU.

Pelts boasts that Kennett lies south of the Mason-Dixon Line. This is a part of Missouri that, at least based on the representation at this table, remains uncomfortable with the idea of an outside aggressor deciding its destiny.

“If you’re going to let Oklahoma and Texas control you,” says Brandon Rouse, an optometrist, “and if they end up jumping ship in a couple years, then what have you done?”

• • •

CROSS TIMBERS, Mo. | Brent Lower leans over his next patient as the sound of rattling metal and nervous moaning echoes through the dusty barn.

Lower is talking casually, a little country chatter flying as he slides a long plastic glove onto his left arm. In a second, he will plunge his hand into the hindquarters of a 2,000-pound Simmental bull. Drool will leak from the beast’s mouth.

“Ah, you big wuss,” says Lower, a large-animal veterinarian from Humansville.

It’s semen-testing day at the Lucas Cattle Co., a ranching operation in the idyllic hills of southwest Missouri. It’s not quite the plains, but the barbed wire, hay bales and grazing cattle paint a picture of frontier life — more like Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas, Big 12 states.

“If you don’t like the people you’re around, it’s a long day,” says Cleo Fields, a herdsman from Cross Timbers.

This is Hickory County, Field says, population 8,000, where young men like Jeff Reed, 31, and Brandon Atkins, 33, wake up early, pull on a dark blue pair of Wranglers and start an 80-hour work week.

As the morning turns into afternoon, the conversation drifts from sports to kids … and back to sports.

Lower graduated from Mizzou in the early 1990s, and this talk about the SEC is enough for him to pause for a moment.

“It ain’t a done deal yet,” he says, slowly removing the plastic sleeve from his arm.

The SEC is a whole different animal, Lower adds, and it’s not entirely clear if he’s still talking about football.

This is about history, he says. He never missed a game when he was in school. The Mizzou fight song is still designated as his ring tone; his daughter Kaylee used to use it as her lullaby, he says.

When Mizzou lost at Oklahoma last month, it stung Lower. He doesn’t care much for KU either.

Life would be different in towns like Cross Timbers and Humansville if Mizzou couldn’t maintain rivalries with their neighbors to the west: states and people that share a way of life. Lower might need new barbs if the Tigers start playing Florida instead of Texas.

“These bulls are the equivalent of the whole offensive line at one Big 12 school,” Lower says. “By golly, if we could draft these bulls to go to Columbia, we’d have everything set.”

• • •

MARYVILLE, Mo. | If stability is what Missouri is looking for in a conference, it doesn’t have to look far to see what it looks like.

Things in Nodaway County have been done a particular way for generations. The calendar revolves around corn, football and family — sometimes in that order.

At Maryville High School on Friday nights, parents watch their sons, then drive their cars straight toward the Northwest Missouri State campus to claim a coveted parking spot for the Saturday morning tailgate party that will begin just hours later. Townspeople still meet at the grocery store early mornings to drink coffee and talk football.

“This is a football town,” says Paul Snow, the athletic director at Maryville High.

Over 17 years at Northwest Missouri State, Mel Tjeerdsma built a championship program with tough-minded boys who grew up nearby in football-loving communities where farming provided a backdrop for life.

One of them was Adam Dorrel, who grew up in Nodaway County, played football for Maryville High and later, Tjeerdsma. Now he’s the coach, taking over after Scott Bostwick, Tjeerdsma’s replacement, died in June.

Sitting in his office, Dorrel points to the back wall, black-and-white photos decorating the canvas. There are stories in those photos, he says. One shows Northwest’s original football team from 1908.

The fullback is Dorrel’s great-grandfather.

• • •

ST. LOUIS | Two men walk quickly from a side door at Busch Stadium, hurrying out after another busy day. Tyrone Armstrong, 32, and Clarence Chaney, 31, are cooks here, and even on a day with no game, there’s plenty to do.

The hum of lawn mowers fills the air. The fountains at Kiener Plaza are dyed Cardinal red, and banners have been hung from doorways and poles. Workers scurry on a cloudless day to prepare the stadium for the Cardinals’ next game in the National League playoffs, which isn’t for another two days. The buzz, though, arrived early.

“The Cardinals in St. Louis,” Chaney says as he passes, “it just overshadows everything.”

It would seem there’s too much going on among the city’s three professional sports franchises to spend much time wondering where Mizzou belongs. But some have an opinion.

During the midafternoon, a family walks around Busch Stadium’s perimeter, stopping to inspect statues of former players. Andy Toennies, 45, has been following the realignment saga, but the only thing that makes sense to him is for MU to ditch the Big 12 and do what many wanted to happen a year ago: join the Big Ten. This might be the Gateway to the West, but in this banking capital and home to high-dollar universities, there aren’t many reminders of frontier life.

“Texas and Oklahoma,” Toennies says, heading toward a giant statue of Stan Musial, “they’re not really part of our fabric.”

St. Louis was, for years, home to its own Border Showdown football game against Illinois. Toennies says interest peaked then, but the game at the Edward Jones Dome was discontinued after last year. In the time since, college sports have become mostly an afterthought. He says he hears how it is on the opposite side of the state. But, he says, it’s just different here.

“People talk about it,” says Kevin Liese, 41, a bartender at Jack Patrick’s, “but it’s not a giant deal.”

• • •

KANSAS CITY | They still come to the red steakhouse on Genessee Street, hauling the decades-old memories with them.

Some tell of spending a night at the Golden Ox after selling cattle for hours with their fathers. Some tell of days spent around basketball and bitter rivals.

“I wish I had all the stories written somewhere,” says Bill Teel, a co-owner of the restaurant, which sits connected to the old Kansas City Livestock Exchange Building in the heart of the West Bottoms.

After 62 years, the Golden Ox is still here in a neighborhood of change. The bottoms were once home to the Kansas City stockyards, millions of cattle herded through each year. They shut down in 1991.

This place was also home to the Big Eight, then Big 12 men’s basketball tournament at Kemper Arena, where Missouri and Kansas would do battle just a block from the state line. The tournament is now played up the hill in the Sprint Center. But if Missouri moves to the SEC, it could leave Kansas City for good.

The threat of Mizzou’s departure is so potentially damaging to Kansas City that the mayor took time to send MU Chancellor Brady Deaton a personal plea for the Tigers to stay. The tournament is worth an estimated $14 million to the local economy.

“We believe this region,” Sly James wrote, “collectively values University of Missouri athletics — has, does and will — to a degree that won’t be replicated elsewhere.”

Basketball left the bottoms in 2005, but the conversation at the bar inside the Golden Ox drifts from the economy to college sports on a recent late afternoon. The bartender moves to his right, revealing the image of five small stickers on an aging cash register: two for Mizzou, two for KU and one in support of sheet metal workers.

Teel believes that the Golden Ox can endure, a symbol of Kansas City’s heritage in a time when money and progress can uproot institutions.

“It’s good that things change,” Teel says. “And it’s good that there are new things. But it’s also good that you have tradition.”

• • •

COLUMBIA | Students walk from here to there during lunchtime at the Francis Quadrangle. These are the ones being pulled in all directions by what Missouri is and what it should be.

Not for the first time, this state is involved in a tug-of-war. Students from Missouri’s far reaches have grown up in different ways, in different cultures, with different belief systems about what’s important. Now they have converged at the state’s center, on this campus, with corresponding opinions on the direction that best fits MU.

“We’re so deeply rooted in the Big 12, just like history-wise,” says Turner Davis, 21, a Lee’s Summit native, “and it would just feel like we’re betraying our roots.”

“I would rather them go to the Big Ten than anything,” says Caleb Hartzell, 19, who’s from St. Louis.

“There’s somebody, some third person saying: ‘We’re going to tell you guys how to do it,’ which is essentially what Texas is,” says Bay, the MU law student from southern Missouri. “… The smart thing, I think, right now is definitely to be considering trying to get into the SEC.”

They debate MU’s direction, the same as they do in their hometowns, at local eateries and offices and classrooms. What’s next for MU? It might not be a perfect fit anywhere, but which conference — and region of the country — seems the most natural?

“Mr. Mizzou” sits in his office late in the afternoon, shaking his head at the possibility of another period of uncertainty for his home state. John Kadlec is 82 now, and he has traveled all over Missouri — as an athlete, a broadcaster and now an ambassador for the university. He doesn’t see the point of MU leaving the Big 12.

While the state’s residents wait for Deaton and the Board of Curators to make a decision, some have begun to lobby school officials to go their way. Kadlec spends some of his hours now trying to talk boosters out of pulling their donations if MU leaves — or doesn’t. He says a significant donor of nearly 30 years, a St. Louis resident, called him recently and said that, if the school joins the SEC, he would no longer give.

“It’s all about money,” Kadlec says, trailing off.

A moment later, he begins telling a story.

“Maybe I’m a traditionalist. Probably I am,” Kadlec says. “I like tradition.”

The story is about a friend of Kadlec’s who lived in Columbia for about 15 years, and through many of those years, he spoke frequently about moving back to Springfield. Sure enough, the man moved there and found that his friendships from 15 years earlier had faded; the image of change was far better than its actuality. Before long, the man moved back to Columbia to resume a life he hadn’t appreciated, a kind of comfort he hadn’t noticed.

“You go someplace,” Kadlec says, shifting the conversation back to MU’s decision, “and you realize maybe that’s not what you should’ve done.”

The sun is beginning to set in Columbia on the Wednesday of homecoming week. Perhaps this week more than any other, Missouri’s diverse representation will visit, and many of them will share opinions on where their school belongs. Luke Arnzen, a 25-year-old manager at Shakespeare’s Pizza, hears some of the chatter.

“I just want Mizzou,” says Arnzen, who’s from Cape Girardeau, “to find a home.”





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Reaper16
10-16-2011, 12:51 PM
Goddamnit, Baab. I'm writing an essay about that very subject.

|Zach|
10-16-2011, 12:52 PM
That was an interesting read.

KChiefs1
10-16-2011, 02:43 PM
Missouri is probably the most diverse state in the union.

Chocolate Hog
10-16-2011, 02:46 PM
Covering up the logo and removing the flags of the Big 12 teams?

Oh, you MU rebels. Nice win yesterday though.

*Confederate Rebels

kstater
10-16-2011, 02:51 PM
Missouri is probably the most diverse state in the union.

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

KChiefs1
10-16-2011, 02:54 PM
http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

Should I have said the confederacy? :p

kstater
10-16-2011, 02:59 PM
Should I have said the confederacy? :p

I'm trying to figure out if you're saying the difference between redneck and hillbilly counts as diversity.

Raiderhader
10-16-2011, 03:06 PM
I'm trying to figure out if you're saying the difference between redneck and hillbilly counts as diversity.


LOL

KChiefs1
10-16-2011, 06:27 PM
I'm trying to figure out if you're saying the difference between redneck and hillbilly counts as diversity.

Like hick vs farmer?

Reerun_KC
10-16-2011, 06:43 PM
Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

Bambi
10-16-2011, 06:45 PM
Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

They removed the Big 12 logos.

The deal is done.

alnorth
10-16-2011, 06:50 PM
Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

If there was any news, then a google news search for the words "missouri" and "sec" would blow up with results

kstater
10-16-2011, 06:51 PM
Need an update. I have been busy running our outsourcing company, flying and making some bank. MU going or staying?

Missouri refused TV coverage so they could throw a parade and announce their move.

Pablo
10-16-2011, 07:10 PM
I'm not watching it because I'm obsessed. I'm watching it because I've got money on OU.How'd that work out for you?

Bowser
10-16-2011, 07:11 PM
Missouri refused TV coverage so they could throw a parade and announce their move.

Mizzou is fucking bad ass like that.

KcMizzou
10-16-2011, 07:11 PM
How'd that work out for you?47-17 and KU covered the spread? Really?

That's hilarious.

Pablo
10-16-2011, 07:13 PM
47-17 and KU covered the spread? Really?

That's hilarious.Line was at 35 last I checked.

O/U was like 72.

Saul Good
10-16-2011, 07:15 PM
Line was at 35 last I checked.

O/U was like 72.

I got it at 33.5. Glad I didn't put more on it. I almost bet big. Wound up losing $50 because of that stupid fumble.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-16-2011, 08:21 PM
The reason it wasn't a Big XII broadcast is because we forfeit all of our TV money when we leave anyway, but we still hold our rights and they can't broadcast without our permission. I would bet a good pile of cash that we are threatening to hold back broadcast of more games if they don't settle with us for an agreeable amount.

uh, no.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-16-2011, 08:34 PM
BYU still an option
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700188397/Holmoe-BYU-hasnt-been-invited-to-Big-12-process-is-ongoing.html?pg=1

ArrowheadHawk
10-16-2011, 08:44 PM
BYU still an option
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700188397/Holmoe-BYU-hasnt-been-invited-to-Big-12-process-is-ongoing.html?pg=1

Sign em up.

baitism
10-16-2011, 08:48 PM
That would be too many religious nutters.

Saul Good
10-16-2011, 08:56 PM
Why are we looking to add another team when we've got an even number? Who would be the 12th team?

ArrowheadHawk
10-16-2011, 08:58 PM
Why are we looking to add another team when we've got an even number? Who would be the 12th team?

I think the invite would be contingent on MU leaving.

Saul Good
10-16-2011, 08:58 PM
I think the invite would be contingent on MU leaving.

MU is leaving?

ArrowheadHawk
10-16-2011, 09:00 PM
MU is leaving?
They haven't confirmed they are staying yet.

notorious
10-16-2011, 09:11 PM
MU is leaving?

They are about to jettison a pile of waste known as the Big 12, or so I've heard.

BWillie
10-16-2011, 09:16 PM
Why are we looking to add another team when we've got an even number? Who would be the 12th team?

why do ppl care if there is an even number? The Big 10 had 11 teams for a long time, and they did just fine.

If you read between the lines in that article, it seems to suggest if and once Missouri goes to SEC, BYU will be invited. At least that is what I get out of it. I think the Big 12 doesn't want to add an 11th team because it will mean they have to share revenue 11-ways, and teams will get less. They need that 10th team to secure their current contract w/ Fox or whatever. That sucks for the Big 12 because even if the teams got less money, it would be in their long term interest to invite Louisville, WVU, and maybe UCF for stability.

alnorth
10-16-2011, 09:21 PM
Either way, we are probably headed to 12 regardless. We are waiting on MU now, but there are too many people in the Big 12 who want to go to 12, that it looks like even Texas has seen the writing on the wall with their comment that they "are open" to expanding to 12.

BWillie
10-16-2011, 09:24 PM
How come nobody is interested in getting UCF or/and USF to join the Big 12? Those are huge schools in terms of enrollment, and you bring the Big 12 to Florida and the Eastern Market. I would think it is a no brainer. It's not that long of a flight from Texas and they could split Texas and OU into different divisions.

ChiefsCountry
10-16-2011, 09:28 PM
If Mizzou stays the Big 12 is going back to 12, if they leave its staying at 10.

alnorth
10-16-2011, 09:30 PM
How come nobody is interested in getting UCF or/and USF to join the Big 12? Those are huge schools in terms of enrollment, and you bring the Big 12 to Florida and the Eastern Market. I would think it is a no brainer. It's not that long of a flight from Texas and they could split Texas and OU into different divisions.

Louisville, BYU, and WVU are all superior (and closer) options. They'd probably also rather have Cinci.

BWillie
10-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Louisville, BYU, and WVU are all superior (and closer) options. They'd probably also rather have Cinci.

I get that, but why wouldn't they be candidates at least.

Iowa State
Kansas
K-State
Oklahoma
Louisville
BYU
Cincinnati
Oklahoma State

Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
West Virginia
South Florida
Central Florida
Memphis? Southern Miss? Boise State? Houston? SMU?

Don't really know a 16th team, and I know this would never happen, but I think it would be cool.

alnorth
10-16-2011, 09:41 PM
I get that, but why wouldn't they be candidates at least.

Candidates? OK, sure, they are candidates. However, unless the Big 12 decides to expand to 14 or 16, or unless a couple of the above better options says no, they will never progress to a serious stage.

Saul Good
10-16-2011, 09:52 PM
Teams from Florida, Utah, Iowa, and West Virginia in the same conference sounds cool to you?

Morgantown to Provo is just a shade under a 4000 mile round trip.

BWillie
10-16-2011, 09:54 PM
Teams from Florida, Utah, Iowa, and West Virginia in the same conference sounds cool to you?

Morgantown to Provo is just a shade under a 4000 mile round trip.

Yep. That is the way things are heading. NYC to South FLA is pretty far too. W Virginia actually seems a little bit out of the way, but it's a great football program. I know the Big 12 has a different agenda than I do, but I would think that would be a fun conference.

Reerun_KC
10-16-2011, 09:54 PM
Teams from Florida, Utah, Iowa, and West Virginia in the same conference sounds cool to you?

Morgantown to Provo is just a shade under a 4000 mile round trip.

Which in a 737 isnt really that bad...

Saul Good
10-16-2011, 09:56 PM
How about in a bus?

Saul Good
10-16-2011, 10:00 PM
4000 miles is about 70 hours by bus. That's a rough trip for the field hockey team.

tk13
10-16-2011, 10:00 PM
That's why the Mountain West/C-USA thing was football only. That could be a real adventure with all the non-revenue sports.

BillSelfsTrophycase
10-16-2011, 10:36 PM
Missouri kicks ass


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Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:01 AM
Gabe DeArmond is saying that 2 independent sources have both told him that the SEC move is imminent. Supposedly, there is a BOC meeting this week, and the withdrawl (he called it a conditional withdrawl) would be announced after the meeting.

Said that the timeline has been very carefully orchestrated by yhe SEC and MU for legal purposes. Take it FWIW. He's generally pretty measured, but he said that his source told him for the first time that the move is 100%.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 09:19 AM
Gabe DeArmond is saying that 2 independent sources have both told him that the SEC move is imminent. Supposedly, there is a BOC meeting this week, and the withdrawl (he called it a conditional withdrawl) would be announced after the meeting.

Said that the timeline has been very carefully orchestrated by yhe SEC and MU for legal purposes. Take it FWIW. He's generally pretty measured, but he said that his source told him for the first time that the move is 100%.

Oh snap

Hope it's for real this time.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:41 AM
Hearing that Louisville expects to join if Mizzou leaves.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 09:48 AM
WE GONE.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 09:50 AM
Big 12 should just replace Mizzou with West Virginia or Louisville and stay at 10 teams. The round robin format is more interesting and provides more national respect for the teams that would be in a North division.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:58 AM
Big 12 should just replace Mizzou with West Virginia or Louisville and stay at 10 teams. The round robin format is more interesting and provides more national respect for the teams that would be in a North division.

Looks like you're being about as productive as me today between CP and PM.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 10:04 AM
Looks like you're being about as productive as me today between CP and PM.

I was out of town the last four days for a wedding, need to make up for lost internet time.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 10:17 AM
Big 12 should just replace Mizzou with West Virginia or Louisville and stay at 10 teams. The round robin format is more interesting and provides more national respect for the teams that would be in a North division.

I'd much rather have West Virginia than Louisville. Athletically they are superior to both Mizzou and Louisville.

Louisville wouldn't be a bad consolation prize I suppose.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 10:21 AM
I'd much rather have West Virginia than Louisville. Athletically they are superior to both Mizzou and Louisville.

Louisville wouldn't be a bad consolation prize I suppose.

I think WVU joins the SEC along with NC State to round out the conference at 16.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 10:28 AM
I'd much rather have West Virginia than Louisville. Athletically they are superior to both Mizzou and Louisville.

Louisville wouldn't be a bad consolation prize I suppose.

Superior is hyperbole; WVU is probably even with Mizzou in terms of overall football and basketball, with most of their football success under Rich Rodriguez. They've made a killing recruiting kids in SEC country that couldn't qualify at other schools, so it will be interesting to see how they do in the Big 12 with stiffer academic requirements.

HemiEd
10-17-2011, 10:38 AM
I'd much rather have West Virginia than Louisville. Athletically they are superior to both Mizzou and Louisville.

Louisville wouldn't be a bad consolation prize I suppose.

I agree, WV would be an upgrade for the Big 12.

tredadda
10-17-2011, 10:48 AM
Superior is hyperbole; WVU is probably even with Mizzou in terms of overall football and basketball, with most of their football success under Rich Rodriguez. They've made a killing recruiting kids in SEC country that couldn't qualify at other schools, so it will be interesting to see how they do in the Big 12 with stiffer academic requirements.

I also disagree that WVU is "superior" to Mizzou in football and basketball. Their football success has come from getting kids that don't qualify at other schools as you have stated, but also they have benefitted from playing in a weaker BE at least from a football standpoint. Mizzou has been a consistent 10 win team playing in the Big XII which was arguably the second toughest football conference. Had they played in the BE (like WVU) or the WAC/MWC (like Boise State), they too would have played in big money BCS games. They were good enough to play in BCS games in previous years, the problem was they never made it to them due to their inability to beat OU and UT. Now put Boise, WVU, UCONN, or TCU in the Big XII over the last 10 years or so and see how many BCS games they play in and put Mizzou in an AQ conference like the BE and see how many Mizzou has.

tredadda
10-17-2011, 10:51 AM
I agree, WV would be an upgrade for the Big 12.

They would. I would like to see WVU, UoL (as a travel partner for WVU and for their strong BBall team) and one other come in to replace Mizzou if they leave and bring the conference back to 12. They can then do something like how the SEC does it with a permanent cross conference rival game. There is too much money in a Big XII Championship game not to go to 12.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 10:56 AM
I also disagree that WVU is "superior" to Mizzou in football and basketball. Their football success has come from getting kids that don't qualify at other schools as you have stated, but also they have benefitted from playing in a weaker BE at least from a football standpoint. Mizzou has been a consistent 10 win team playing in the Big XII which was arguably the second toughest football conference. Had they played in the BE (like WVU) or the WAC/MWC (like Boise State), they too would have played in big money BCS games. They were good enough to play in BCS games in previous years, the problem was they never made it to them due to their inability to beat OU and UT. Now put Boise, WVU, UCONN, or TCU in the Big XII over the last 10 years or so and see how many BCS games they play in and put Mizzou in an AQ conference like the BE and see how many Mizzou has.

West Virginia destroyed Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. :doh!:

They have 2 BCS bowl victories and a Final Four appearance in recent history.

But yeah, I could see how they are "even" with Mizzou.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 11:13 AM
West Virginia destroyed Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. :doh!:

They have 2 BCS bowl victories and a Final Four appearance in recent history.

But yeah, I could see how they are "even" with Mizzou.

ku beat Virginia Tech in an Orange Bowl a few years back too. Guess they are better. :doh!:

I have to admit, this new defense mechanism by ku and ksu fans is pretty hilarious.

"Mizzou will never get an SEC bid!!! hahaha"

then:

"Well.....Mizzou will get destroyed in the SEC!!! hahaha"

then:

"Umm......West Virginia is even BETTER than Mizzou!!! hahaha"

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 11:14 AM
It doesn't really matter. Its unlikely they wind up in the Big XII.

KChiefs1
10-17-2011, 11:15 AM
Missouri kicks ass


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Great song!

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 11:15 AM
Mizzou has been a consistent 10 win team playing in the Big XII

Yeah, five 9+ win seasons in the history of the program (including 1960 and 1969).

And as stated by someone else last week, they're a consistent top-25 team in FB and BB, even though both programs combined have finished a season in the top 25 only 5 times in the last 10 years.

Pants
10-17-2011, 11:17 AM
Yeah, five 9+ win seasons in the history of the program (including 1960 and 1969).

And as stated by someone else last week, they're a consistent top-25 team in FB and BB, even though both programs combined have finished a season in the top 25 only 5 times in the last 10 years.

lulz

Bearcat with a dose of reality as usual.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 11:17 AM
Rodriguez did a great job there, but outside of his run, it hasn't been a historically successful football program. Since he left they have become a borderline ranked team, playing in a pretty weak conference. It would be the best pickup for the Big 12 given the schools left over for sure though.

Everyone was wrapped up in travel distance arguments a few days ago related to Missouri and the SEC... What about the travel from Austin to Morgantown?

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 11:18 AM
ku beat Virginia Tech in an Orange Bowl a few years back too. Guess they are better. :doh!:

I have to admit, this new defense mechanism by ku and ksu fans is pretty hilarious.

"Mizzou will never get an SEC bid!!! hahaha"

then:

"Well.....Mizzou will get destroyed in the SEC!!! hahaha"

then:

"Umm......West Virginia is even BETTER than Mizzou!!! hahaha"

Defensive mechanism? In what measurable way is Mizzou "even" with West Virginia? I believe Mizzou's facilities are probably superior to WVU. Other than that, I just don't see it.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 11:19 AM
Rodriguez did a great job there, but outside of his run, it hasn't been a historically successful football program. Since he left they have become a borderline ranked team, playing in a pretty weak conference. It would be the best pickup for the Big 12 given the schools left over for sure though.

Everyone was wrapped up in travel distance arguments a few days ago related to Missouri and the SEC... What about the travel from Austin to Morgantown?

Outside of Gary Pinkel, Mizzou hasn't been a historically successful football program.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 11:19 AM
It doesn't really matter. Its unlikely they wind up in the Big XII.

Yeah, probably not.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 11:21 AM
Outside of Gary Pinkel, Mizzou hasn't been a historically successful football program.

That is true, but the comment was related to WV being an upgrade. When you take revenue and travel into account they seem like a wash at best.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 11:23 AM
Defensive mechanism? In what measurable way is Mizzou "even" with West Virginia? I believe Mizzou's facilities are probably superior to WVU. Other than that, I just don't see it.

Of course it is a defense mechanism. Your wife just left you and you are trying to convince yourself that your new GF is even better, even though she's a stupid, fat hillbilly.

WVU racked up some nice wins and BCS appearances playing in a dogshit Big East and relying on players that wouldn't have been eligible in a major conference.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 11:25 AM
Ask Neinas if he'd rather have Mizzou or WVU. Hell, ask the SEC.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 11:25 AM
lulz

Bearcat with a dose of reality as usual.

I thought it was KU fans who didn't pay attention to football until Sept 2007... :shrug:

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 11:27 AM
Of course it is a defense mechanism. Your wife just left you and you are trying to convince yourself that your new GF is even better, even though she's a stupid, fat hillbilly.

WVU racked up some nice wins and BCS appearances playing in a dogshit Big East and relying on players that wouldn't have been eligible in a major conference.

God. There is nothing I hate more than "wife, ex-wife, girlfriend" references in conference realignment. They are misogynistic and stupid.

On a serious note, are the Big 12's academic requirements that much more strict than the Big East? I find that hard to believe.

kchero
10-17-2011, 11:28 AM
Ask Neinas if he'd rather have Mizzou or WVU. Hell, ask the SEC.

Exactly, it would be much easier for the SEC to nab a team on the eastern side of their conferance and WVU made it clear they wanted to come to the party, but the SEC has shown their preference is Mizzou.

ChiefsCountry
10-17-2011, 11:29 AM
Outside of Gary Pinkel, Mizzou hasn't been a historically successful football program.

I know the 80's and 90's are fresh in everybody's mind but before that Mizzou was a pretty successful program. Missouri was right with Nebraska and Oklahoma until the 70s hit.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 11:29 AM
That is true, but the comment was related to WV being an upgrade. When you take revenue and travel into account they seem like a wash at best.

I could buy that. Travel wise, it is a pain in the ass to get to Charleston, WV from here.

Of course, Mizzou fans that travel (hahaha) will experience trips like that if they join the SEC.

Pants
10-17-2011, 11:30 AM
God. There is nothing I hate more than "wife, ex-wife, girlfriend" references in conference realignment. They are misogynistic and stupid.

I find it hilarious, personally.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 11:30 AM
Your stupid, fat redneck wife is thinking about leaving you and you are trying to convince yourself that a stupid, fat hillbilly GF would be better.


fyp

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 11:34 AM
fyp

Mizzou is AAU; WVU is one of the shittiest schools in the country. Apples and oranges.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 11:36 AM
I could buy that. Travel wise, it is a pain in the ass to get to Charleston, WV from here.

Of course, Mizzou fans that travel (hahaha) will experience trips like that if they join the SEC.

It would be pretty dumb to travel to Charleston to see a football game :)

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 11:36 AM
On a serious note, are the Big 12's academic requirements that much more strict than the Big East? I find that hard to believe.

Yes, the Big East has very low across-the-board requirements. USF is another benefactor of the Big East's low football admission standards. They have taken a ton of Florida kids that could not get in at UF.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 11:37 AM
It would be pretty dumb to travel to Charleston to see a football game :)

Gotta fly to Charleston to get to Morgantown, IIRC.

I drove to Huntington, WV to see Marshall - KSU. Never again.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 11:38 AM
Yes, the Big East has very low across-the-board requirements. USF is another benefactor of the Big East's low football admission standards. They have taken a ton of Florida kids that could not get in at UF.

I've seen some of the mental midgets K-State and KU bring in. It couldn't be much worse.

kchero
10-17-2011, 11:41 AM
Gotta fly to Charleston to get to Morgantown, IIRC.

I drove to Huntington, WV to see Marshall - KSU. Never again.

Oh wow, that bad.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 11:43 AM
I thought it was KU fans who didn't pay attention to football until Sept 2007... :shrug:

Judging by your posts, you stopped paying attention shortly thereafter. WVU's program has been in decline without Richrod.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 11:46 AM
Gotta fly to Charleston to get to Morgantown, IIRC.

I drove to Huntington, WV to see Marshall - KSU. Never again.

There is an airport in Morgantown, only United flies there. But yes, It would be difficult travel even for fan bases that do travel well.

I think the SEC might have a positive effect on travel. I know Missouri for whatever reason does not travel well traditionally, but perhaps the prospect of seeing your team play at one of these storied programs would interest people.

Like others have said, WV has found a sweet spot in a conference with low admissions standards and conducive to piling up good records in football, and they had a great coach. The right next step for them is to try to move up. But it definitely remains to be seen if they could duplicate this success in an academically better conference.

I think they would be a good replacement for Missouri because it would persevere about the same football respectability for the Big 12. There are no Nebraksas out there, so its still down, but this would help keep things alive.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 11:47 AM
Judging by your posts, you stopped paying attention shortly thereafter. WVU's program has been in decline without Richrod.

I've made posts about WVU?

|Zach|
10-17-2011, 11:48 AM
This whole thing is boring now.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 11:51 AM
This whole thing is boring now.

Only because you haven't made your own super conference yet.

Try it. The possibilities are endless.

tredadda
10-17-2011, 12:12 PM
West Virginia destroyed Oklahoma in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. :doh!:

They have 2 BCS bowl victories and a Final Four appearance in recent history.

But yeah, I could see how they are "even" with Mizzou.

1. Mizzou beat OU last year, but could they do it consistently? Just because WVU beat OU in a bowl game does not mean that year in and year out they beat OU if they played in the same conference. Especially if they couldn't get some of the players they currently get because they would be academically unqualified in the Big XII. Boise also beat OU in a bowl game. Could they do it consistently in the Big XII?

2. Put Mizzou in the BE and see how many BCS bowl appearances or BCS wins they have. Again they probably would have beaten VT the year KU did had they played them. They did not get that bowl because of their inability to (again) beat OU. They would have had another BCS bowl bid last year had they been in the BE, instead it went to a crappy UCONN team. Would they have won? Who knows. Heck Boise beat OU when no one thought they could. I am not saying Mizzou is on the level of an Alabama, Florida, or USC but I would put them at the same level as WVU. Conference affiliation has alot to do with the two schools bowl appearances and success.

3. On the BBall front, good point and I stand corrected.

|Zach|
10-17-2011, 12:36 PM
Only because you haven't made your own super conference yet.

Try it. The possibilities are endless.

I will make all the teams magnets on my fridge and just go crazy with it.

alnorth
10-17-2011, 12:48 PM
I will make all the teams magnets on my fridge and just go crazy with it.

You could also use this little toy: http://res.dallasnews.com/graphics/2011_09/realignment/

You can screenshot and post whatever you come up with.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 01:12 PM
Fun!

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/bearcat2002/realign.png

Bambi
10-17-2011, 01:14 PM
Fun!

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/bearcat2002/realign.png

lol, Texas A&M looks so stupid.

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2011, 01:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7103015/texas-longhorns-deloss-dodds-tells-texas-bill-byrne-nonconference-schedule-full-2018


aTm.... LMAO What can one say?

Want to get away from UT in such a big way, yet still want to keep the game vs UT?

Dodds says "Thanks but no thanks".

Bambi
10-17-2011, 01:16 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7103015/texas-longhorns-deloss-dodds-tells-texas-bill-byrne-nonconference-schedule-full-2018


aTm.... LMAO What can one say?

Want to get away from UT in such a big way, yet still want to keep the game vs UT?

Dodds says "Thanks but no thanks".

A&M is on its way to becoming SMU.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 01:21 PM
You could also use this little toy: http://res.dallasnews.com/graphics/2011_09/realignment/

You can screenshot and post whatever you come up with.

It comes so close to making perfect sense until you get to the last few teams.

I'm on a mobile, so I can't screenshot it, but I got this far:

Mizzou, aTm, WVU, and NC State to the SEC.

Texas, Tech, OU, oSu to the PAC

Rutgers and Notre Dame to the B1G

That puts 16 teams in the SEC and PAC, 14 in the B1G, and 13 in the ACC. That's where it gets tricky. I could see the ACC adding Cincy, Louisville, and UCONN to get to 16.

At that point, I sent Houston, Boise, BYU, USF, SMU to the Big XII with ISI, KU, KSU, Baylor, and TCU.

I just don't see how the B1G gets to 16. KU would be a decent choice for 15. That would leave them taking KSU, ISU, BYU, or a Texas school, and none of those are great fits. For that reason, I could see the B1G stopping at 14. I could also see the ACC stopping at 14 and sending Cincy and Louisville to the Big XII.

The 4 big conferences could all have conference championship games which would essentially be the first round of the playoffs. From there, you have a 4 team tourney.

tredadda
10-17-2011, 01:25 PM
It comes so close to making perfect sense until you get to the last few teams.

I'm on a mobile, so I can't screenshot it, but I got this far:

Mizzou, aTm, WVU, and NC State to the SEC.

Texas, Tech, OU, oSu to the PAC

Rutgers and Notre Dame to the B1G

That puts 16 teams in the SEC and PAC, 14 in the B1G, and 13 in the ACC. That's where it gets tricky. I could see the ACC adding Cincy, Louisville, and UCONN to get to 16.

At that point, I sent Houston, Boise, BYU, USF, SMU to the Big XII with ISI, KU, KSU, Baylor, and TCU.

I just don't see how the B1G gets to 16. KU would be a decent choice for 15. That would leave them taking KSU, ISU, BYU, or a Texas school, and none of those are great fits. For that reason, I could see the B1G stopping at 14. I could also see the ACC stopping at 14 and sending Cincy and Louisville to the Big XII.

The 4 big conferences could all have conference championship games which would essentially be the first round of the playoffs. From there, you have a 4 team tourney.

Not a bad plan.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 01:26 PM
lol, Texas A&M looks so stupid.

In a scenario where the SEC adds nobody, the Big XII keeps MU, adds BYU and WVU, and kicks ISU out of the conference, aTm looks a little silly, I guess. Then again, a lot of things look silly when you are tripping balls, and that's the only way you can come up with that alignment.

Mr. Plow
10-17-2011, 01:35 PM
Has the homecoming announcement of MU leaving the Big 12 been made public yet?

evenfall
10-17-2011, 01:35 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/mkdwsj.jpg

:)

Pants
10-17-2011, 01:36 PM
Has the homecoming announcement of MU leaving the Big 12 been made public yet?

LMAO

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 01:43 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7103015/texas-longhorns-deloss-dodds-tells-texas-bill-byrne-nonconference-schedule-full-2018


aTm.... LMAO What can one say?

Want to get away from UT in such a big way, yet still want to keep the game vs UT?

Dodds says "Thanks but no thanks".

Hilarious how petty and vindictive Team Bevo is. UT's not used to any of its hoes stepping out of line.

It will be hilarious when UT comes back to the table in about three years after Jerry Jones offers each them a few mill to play annually at JerryWorld.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 01:52 PM
Has the homecoming announcement of MU leaving the Big 12 been made public yet?

Was that even a rumor? I've followed this as closely as anyone, and I didn't see anyone say that was likely. A few people hoped for it, myself included, but nobody predicted it. I'd like it if we left today, but I'm not predicting that, either.

Pants
10-17-2011, 01:58 PM
Was that even a rumor? I've followed this as closely as anyone, and I didn't see anyone say that was likely. A few people hoped for it, myself included, but nobody predicted it. I'd like it if we left today, but I'm not predicting that, either.

Yeah, I think you expressed your hope for it right around the same time you claimed you don't like to support your team unless they're playing in a marquee match up.

;)

Bambi
10-17-2011, 02:02 PM
http://i55.tinypic.com/mkdwsj.jpg

:)

I see what you did there.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 02:18 PM
In a scenario where the SEC adds nobody, the Big XII keeps MU, adds BYU and WVU, and kicks ISU out of the conference, aTm looks a little silly, I guess. Then again, a lot of things look silly when you are tripping balls, and that's the only way you can come up with that alignment.

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KChiefs1
10-17-2011, 02:19 PM
The envy & jealousy is palpable from the KU & KSU posters. You guys will land on your feet when Bevo decides to move to a prettier girl.

Pants
10-17-2011, 02:24 PM
The envy & jealousy is palpable from the KU & KSU posters. You guys will land on your feet when Bevo decides to move to a prettier girl.

I think it's more MU fans just expecting envy to be there. What is there to be envious about at this point? As long as B12 is alive, KU and KSU fans are happy. Personally, I'd be a little envious if you guys got an invite from the B10, other than that... meh.

If we can replace you with L'ville/WVU, it'll just be icing on the cake. :thumb:

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 02:35 PM
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Saul Good
10-17-2011, 02:39 PM
I think it's more MU fans just expecting envy to be there. What is there to be envious about at this point? As long as B12 is alive, KU and KSU fans are happy. Personally, I'd be a little envious if you guys got an invite from the B10, other than that... meh.

If we can replace you with L'ville/WVU, it'll just be icing on the cake. :thumb:

I would be crushed if we wound up in the B1G instead of the SEC. The Corndogs can have their junior membership. SEC or bust.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 02:42 PM
The envy & jealousy is palpable from the KU & KSU posters. You guys will land on your feet when Bevo decides to move to a prettier girl.

Of course it is... some MU fans are practically demanding it, so I can see why your mind would spin every post from a KU or KSU fan into envy and jealousy.

If someone could just let me know what I'm supposed to be jealous about... :shrug:

I've watched the SEC for years and love SEC football, but there's no way in hell I'd want to watch KU football get slaughtered every week. If it gets to a point that KU is going to the MVC, then sure, I'd be jealous of every team that found a new/better home.... MU, Nebraska, Colorado, A&M. I'd hate to watch KU in the Big Ten, and they don't really fit geographically with anyone else, so hopefully the Big 12 survives, because I'd much rather watch tournament games in KC than Atlanta or wherever. So, outside of being completely left out of a competitive conference.... meh. :shrug:

Pants
10-17-2011, 03:05 PM
Of course it is... some MU fans are practically demanding it, so I can see why your mind would spin every post from a KU or KSU fan into envy and jealousy.

If someone could just let me know what I'm supposed to be jealous about... :shrug:

I've watched the SEC for years and love SEC football, but there's no way in hell I'd want to watch KU football get slaughtered every week. If it gets to a point that KU is going to the MVC, then sure, I'd be jealous of every team that found a new/better home.... MU, Nebraska, Colorado, A&M. I'd hate to watch KU in the Big Ten, and they don't really fit geographically with anyone else, so hopefully the Big 12 survives, because I'd much rather watch tournament games in KC than Atlanta or wherever. So, outside of being completely left out of a competitive conference.... meh. :shrug:

As long as B12 is viable, it's by far my #1 choice.

Old Dog
10-17-2011, 03:07 PM
Of course it is... some MU fans are practically demanding it, so I can see why your mind would spin every post from a KU or KSU fan into envy and jealousy.

If someone could just let me know what I'm supposed to be jealous about... :shrug:


Too bad I can only rep this once

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 03:08 PM
As long as B12 is viable, it's by far my #1 choice.

Same. MU, A&M leaving doesn't change that. When Texas and OU announce they are leaving is when I begin to get envious/jealous/desperate.

I want no part of the SEC. We'd get killed.

kstater
10-17-2011, 03:23 PM
I want no part of the SEC.

But, but, but 12 million dollars more.


Ignoring the need to spend another 30 million just to be middle of the pack

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 03:33 PM
But, but, but 12 million dollars more.


Ignoring the need to spend another 30 million just to be middle of the pack

SEC East:

Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Missouri would be the 7th team, and we might be better than any team in that division right now.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 03:38 PM
But, but, but 12 million dollars more.


Ignoring the need to spend another 30 million just to be middle of the pack

I honestly don't give a shit about the money. More money just means that the university has to spend more keep up in the arms race that is college athletics. It has very little to do with the product on the field.

DeezNutz
10-17-2011, 03:39 PM
I honestly don't give a shit about the money. More money just means that the university has to spend more keep up in the arms race that is college athletics. It has very little to do with the product on the field.

Not true.

More money = ostensibly better facilities = advantage in recruiting = better product on the field.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 03:42 PM
Not true.

More money = ostensibly better facilities = advantage in recruiting = better product on the field.

Which is why it's so nice to see donor funds having to be secured for all that crap. :grr:

I also think the money grab is being driven by the universities, and not so much by the athletic department. With the possibilities of lower amounts of research dollars, rising tuition costs and less attendance, they have to make up ground somehow.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 03:46 PM
Which is why it's so nice to see donor funds having to be secured for all that crap. :grr:

I also think the money grab is being driven by the universities, and not so much by the athletic department. With the possibilities of lower amounts of research dollars, rising tuition costs and less attendance, they have to make up ground somehow.

Which makes sense. Could be difficult for a university to go hat in hand to state politicians crying about the need for more funding if they just turned down (in Mizzou's case) the potential for $12 million more per year.

DeezNutz
10-17-2011, 03:56 PM
Which is why it's so nice to see donor funds having to be secured for all that crap. :grr:

I also think the money grab is being driven by the universities, and not so much by the athletic department. With the possibilities of lower amounts of research dollars, rising tuition costs and less attendance, they have to make up ground somehow.

State appropriations are decreasing and significantly so in some cases. However, tuition is always rising and economic downturns result in high enrollment.

Most large institutions are far less dependent on state appropriations, but the decrease greatly affects the state regional university.

Anyway, this is all a long way of saying that the increased revenue will basically be a boon only for the athletic department, since the likes of $12M isn't shit when it comes to the operating budget of a place like Mizzou.

Fed. grants, private donations, state appropriations, and tuition dollars are driving research funding.

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2011, 03:56 PM
Hilarious how petty and vindictive Team Bevo is. UT's not used to any of its hoes stepping out of line.

It will be hilarious when UT comes back to the table in about three years after Jerry Jones offers each them a few mill to play annually at JerryWorld.

LMAO

If I'm UT I take the same stance. aTeamInsecure wanted out. Why would UT indulge that request?

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 04:01 PM
I honestly don't give a shit about the money. More money just means that the university has to spend more keep up in the arms race that is college athletics. It has very little to do with the product on the field.

That's a really good point. When you think about it, what good has all that extra money done for SEC schools in terms of its product on the field? Other than 5 straight national championships, I mean.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 04:02 PM
As someone else pointed out, the football program of the Pinkel era would walk into that conference a middle of the road team. Build from there.

Personally I think it would be more interesting to be a middle of the road team in the SEC, watching your team week to week playing games in storied places against big teams. It would be fun. A road game against LSU or Georgia would be fun to watch. Florida or Auburn coming to Columbia would be fun. It would give an interesting conference schedule every year. The conference slate of the Big 12 is not that interesting, sorry to say.

And are there many fun places to go? Austin for sure, but anyplace else? Lubbock? Waco? Ames, Iowa? Manhattan? Not that Columbia is great but still... Zzz.

I think being average in the SEC would be fun to watch right away, with a view to the future that looks good.

Al Bundy
10-17-2011, 04:05 PM
McMurphyCBS Brett McMurphy
by UCFSports
Big East commish John Marinatto will hold Tuesday media teleconference to discuss league matters

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2011, 04:07 PM
The envy & jealousy is palpable from the KU & KSU posters. You guys will land on your feet when Bevo decides to move to a prettier girl.

Is this PowerMizzou premium info? Cause I keep hearing it from you DeArmond disciples. so I'll just say this one more time:

No KSU fan on this board, nor any that I know irl, care if you stay or go. You, like your UP, BOC and most women I know, just can't seem to decide if you'll be beholden to the mysterious overlord in burnt orange or the mysterious overlords in Crimson.

I just hope that you personally have a chance togrow up to be the man your mother was.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 04:09 PM
LMAO

If I'm UT I take the same stance. aTeamInsecure wanted out. Why would UT indulge that request?

Why would A&M leaving the conference cause the game to end though? UT is just being insecure and petty.

Al Bundy
10-17-2011, 04:16 PM
UCFSports Brandon Helwig
Tuesday's suddenly scheduled media teleconference indicates the Big East is looking to strike quick. #UCF #Houston #SMU #Boise #Navy #AFA

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2011, 04:19 PM
Why would A&M leaving the conference cause the game to end though? UT is just being insecure and petty.

Oh I suppose we could both pretend that aTm didn't want out and pretend that they really didnt want to get away from UT or the Big IIX, but why would we both lie about that?

They wanted out. They got out. Why indulge their "pretty please? .. Honey? Please, please please let us play again" request?

I could use one of your scorned woman analogies and apply it to aTm but they're ridiculous and stupid, like aTm's begging request. So I won't bother with that.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 04:21 PM
Supposedly, WVU is willing to sign on for increased exit fees. Guess they aren't moving this year. Good chance that there is some kind of out if they lose the automatic bid (just my speculation).

duncan_idaho
10-17-2011, 04:28 PM
Here's the link to the WVU story (http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/201110170087)... no idea how credible that outlet is.

If West Virginia stays put and Louisville ends up taking the Big 12-4+2 to 10, the TV deal survives the next five-six years, IMO.

Gotta think the Big 12-4+2 would need to get BYU and someone else on board to get to 12 to be really competitive in the next TV deal.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 04:30 PM
Oh I suppose we could both pretend that aTm didn't want out and pretend that they really didnt want to get away from UT or the Big IIX, but why would we both lie about that?

They wanted out. They got out. Why indulge their "pretty please? .. Honey? Please, please please let us play again" request?

I could use one of your scorned woman analogies and apply it to aTm but they're ridiculous and stupid, like aTm's begging request. So I won't bother with that.

Of course A&M wanted out of the Big Leftover conference, which is why they left.

Again - why should that end the UT-A&M annual rivalry game? Are you under the impression that annual rivalry games are never between non-conference schools?

I would actually use my pimp-hoe analogy here instead of a scorned woman one. The remaining hoes are going to get an extra beating now that the UT's top hoe left them.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 04:33 PM
Pretty obvious that Louisville is going to be the one to replace Mizzou now.

I guess all the WVU slurpers will now need some time to change their argument to fit Louisville. LMAO

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 04:34 PM
Here's the link to the WVU story (http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/201110170087)... no idea how credible that outlet is.

If West Virginia stays put and Louisville ends up taking the Big 12-4+2 to 10, the TV deal survives the next five-six years, IMO.

Gotta think the Big 12-4+2 would need to get BYU and someone else on board to get to 12 to be really competitive in the next TV deal.

No worries here, Stewie has assured me the new Tier 1 deal will surpass the SEC's.

Bambi
10-17-2011, 04:35 PM
SEC East:

Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Missouri would be the 7th team, and we might be better than any team in that division right now.

wow, your posts are tough to take.

Imagine what you would be like if your school ever actually won anything.

:shake:

Al Bundy
10-17-2011, 04:36 PM
UCF is heading to the Big East girls.

DeezNutz
10-17-2011, 04:37 PM
wow, your posts are tough to take.


Venom.

Reerun_KC
10-17-2011, 04:38 PM
Venom.

BALLSACK!

Pants
10-17-2011, 04:38 PM
I guess all the WVU slurpers will now need some time to change their argument to fit Louisville. LMAO

Examples? Because I could swear it's always been either,or/both.

Bambi
10-17-2011, 04:39 PM
Venom.

Retread.

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2011, 04:41 PM
Of course A&M wanted out of the Big Leftover conference, which is why they left.

Again - why should that end the UT-A&M annual rivalry game? Are you under the impression that annual rivalry games are never between non-conference schools?

I would actually use my pimp-hoe analogy here instead of a scorned woman one. The remaining hoes are going to get an extra beating now that the UT's top hoe left them.

By all means indulge in your analogy. God knows how incredibly interesting they are to read.

HemiEd
10-17-2011, 04:41 PM
SEC East:

Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee

Missouri would be the 7th team, and we might be better than any team in that division right now.

Really? Are you serious? Mizzou better than South Carolina? ROFL

Bambi
10-17-2011, 04:42 PM
Really? Are you serious? Mizzou better than South Carolina? ROFL

I saw 3 schools on that list before I got to SC. lol

duncan_idaho
10-17-2011, 04:44 PM
No worries here, Stewie has assured me the new Tier 1 deal will surpass the SEC's.

Yeah, that's one thing I don't get.

Will the Big 12's new tier 1 deal surpass what the SEC currently gets when it is renegotiated?

Yeah, it probably will.

But to assume that means it will be better than the new deal the SEC negotiates for those same rights, the next time the SEC does it, is just foolish.

The SEC has added almost 60 percent of its current footprint without hurting the brand at all in football. It has an out and will be able to re-negotiate its tier 1 deal soon, too.

If there's one thing to know about college sports, it's that Mike Slive is the big kid on the block. He wouldn't expand this freshly into a Tier 1 deal unless he was confident he could renegotiate.

ChiefsCountry
10-17-2011, 04:44 PM
Really? Are you serious? Mizzou better than South Carolina? ROFL

Considering they have no QB and their star player is done for the year. Its very possible to say Mizzou is better.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 04:46 PM
By all means indulge in your analogy. God knows how incredibly interesting they are to read.

Must be, since you keep posting and responding to them.

I guess I can take your non-answer to my previous question as a sign you are bowing out of this conversation?

I have a strange feeling that you will be there to rub ku's feet and tell them it's all good when they end the Border War.

Frazod
10-17-2011, 04:50 PM
Considering they have no QB and their star player is done for the year. Its very possible to say Mizzou is better.

Never mind - whenever Wickedson logs on Kansas IQs immediately drop by about 50 points. It's really quite amazing to watch. He's like the pied piper of butthurt idiocy.

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2011, 05:10 PM
Must be, since you keep posting and responding to them.

I guess I can take your non-answer to my previous question as a sign you are bowing out of this conversation?

I have a strange feeling that you will be there to rub ku's feet and tell them it's all good when they end the Border War.

Oh ****. You got me there easy. I responded to one of your Rip Van Winkle coma inducing posts with a non answer. How terrible. I'd have to refer to your latest discharge of plebeian verbiage; in which, you have proven, once again, that there is no such thing as unutterable nonsense. You could market your posts to a hospital as as a highly-effective alternative to Propathol.

Yea I'll be here to talk all KU fans off the roof when they don't play MU in the ... The game to teams play that nobody really cares about except those two teams game.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 05:13 PM
Really? Are you serious? Mizzou better than South Carolina? ROFL

South Carolina just lost their QB and their Heisman-candidate RB for the season. They are done.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 05:16 PM
Oh ****. You got me there easy. I responded to one of your Rip Van Winkle coma inducing posts with a non answer. How terrible. I'd have to refer to your latest discharge of plebeian verbiage; in which, you have proven, once again, that there is no such thing as unutterable nonsense. You could market your posts to a hospital as as a highly-effective alternative to Propathol.

Yea I'll be here to talk all KU fans off the roof when they don't play MU in the ... The game to teams play that nobody really cares about except those two teams game.

Care to remind me what the highest rated regular season game in college football history is?

WilliamTheIrish
10-17-2011, 05:17 PM
Care to remind me what the highest rated regular season game in college football history is?

Can you do it with a pimp/ ho analogy?

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 05:23 PM
Oh ****. You got me there easy. I responded to one of your Rip Van Winkle coma inducing posts with a non answer. How terrible. I'd have to refer to your latest discharge of plebeian verbiage; in which, you have proven, once again, that there is no such thing as unutterable nonsense. You could market your posts to a hospital as as a highly-effective alternative to Propathol.

Yea I'll be here to talk all KU fans off the roof when they don't play MU in the ... The game to teams play that nobody really cares about except those two teams game.

Actually the entire exchange started with you giving UT a reach-around for ending the A&M series. I guess KSU fans feel it is their womanly duty to defend their conference overlords at every turn no matter how sad and transparent it gets.

UT is a hilarious little bitch for ending the A&M series simply because A&M moved on to a better home - the exact same f#cking thing UT tried to do until Bevo Network was determined to be a no go (weird, wonder why?).

But the only thing more hilarious is watching non UT fans scramble to defend them.

kstater
10-17-2011, 05:24 PM
Gary Pinkel has never beaten Texas? No wonder he wants to high tail it out.

Bearcat
10-17-2011, 05:29 PM
Yea I'll be here to talk all KU fans off the roof when they don't play MU in the ... The game to teams play that nobody really cares about except those two teams game.

JumpOffTheFuckingRoof is this year's StormTheFuckingCourt

DeezNutz
10-17-2011, 05:32 PM
Gary Pinkel has never beaten Texas? No wonder he wants to high tail it out.

Yep. Need to get to a weaker conference.

Saulbadguy
10-17-2011, 06:02 PM
Gary Pinkel has never beaten Texas?

Wow. If true, that's pathetic.

kstater
10-17-2011, 06:03 PM
Yep. Need to get to a weaker conference.

Yup, get away from all the recruiting disadvantages they currently have.

Priest31kc
10-17-2011, 06:22 PM
PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
by slmandel
BREAKING: Missouri's application to the SEC is "inevitable and imminent." nyti.ms/pYNXem

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 06:24 PM
PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
by slmandel
BREAKING: Missouri's application to the SEC is "inevitable and imminent." nyti.ms/pYNXem

mufan
NYT was wrong about everything with ATM
/mu fan

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 06:25 PM
of course it doesn't take a genius to figure out that with 3 days of BOC meetings this week, it's a good week to take a shot in the dark at "breaking the story"

tk13
10-17-2011, 06:26 PM
mufan
NYT was wrong about everything with ATM
/mu fan

Actually I thought Thamel was one of the first people to report the A&M thing was about to go down. My memory might be scrambled though.

kstater
10-17-2011, 06:28 PM
@PeteThamelNYT
Pete Thamel
My final thought for the night is that I'll be STUNNED, after talking to 3 people today, if Mizzou ends up in SEC.


Interesting thought.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 06:32 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/sports/ncaafootball/missouri-moves-closer-to-joining-sec.xml

|Zach|
10-17-2011, 06:38 PM
B12 adds TCU yesterday. But it will be impossible to leave the conference in a week. Haha.

Lets just keep taking our sweet time to figure out what is best for Missouri.

http://brightwithnow.com/images/hammock_sourcecopy.gif

:BLVD:

Al Bundy
10-17-2011, 06:54 PM
UCF singlehandedly saving the Big East from losing a BCS bid is far bigger business than any of this other Big 12-1 maybe minus 2 stuff.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 07:21 PM
UCF singlehandedly saving the Big East from losing a BCS bid is far bigger business than any of this other Big 12-1 maybe minus 2 stuff.

The fuck?

crispystl420
10-17-2011, 07:29 PM
Gary Pinkel has never beaten Texas? No wonder he wants to high tail it out.

We'll beat them this year.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 07:52 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/sports/ncaafootball/missouri-moves-closer-to-joining-sec.xml

:thumb:

The University of Missouri is heading down a path to join the Southeastern Conference, said a university official with direct knowledge of the situation.

The person said that Missouri’s decision to apply for membership to the SEC was “inevitable and imminent,” although a specific timeframe has yet to be set. Missouri’s Board of Curators will meet on Thursday and Friday at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, where the process of withdrawing from the Big 12 and applying to the SEC is expected to begin. Expansion is not listed on the agenda, but there is a private session scheduled Thursday afternoon and Friday morning.

After it applies, the person said that Missouri expected “no problems” with gathering enough votes among SEC presidents for it to become a member.

Although the interim Big 12 commissioner, Chuck Neinas, said last week that he expected Missouri to play in the Big 12 still in 2012, it was possible that it could start play in the SEC as early as next year. Missouri would become the SEC’s 14th member; the league added Texas A&M in September. The SEC would prefer 14 members, as scheduling is a much simpler process with two seven-team divisions.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 07:56 PM
Someone posted that they had to leave by Nov. 1 for the most favorable situation in terms of any exit penalty, and if they wanted to start in the SEC next year.. am I remembering that correctly?

KChiefs1
10-17-2011, 07:57 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/sports/ncaafootball/missouri-moves-closer-to-joining-sec.xml

Story:
Missouri Moves Closer to Joining SEC

By PETE THAMEL

The University of Missouri is heading down a path to join the Southeastern Conference, said a university official with direct knowledge of the situation.

The person said that Missouri’s decision to apply for membership to the SEC was “inevitable and imminent,” although a specific timeframe has yet to be set. Missouri’s Board of Curators will meet on Thursday and Friday at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, where the process of withdrawing from the Big 12 and applying to the SEC is expected to begin. Expansion is not listed on the agenda, but there is a private session scheduled Thursday afternoon and Friday morning.

After it applies, the person said that Missouri expected “no problems” with gathering enough votes among SEC presidents for it to become a member.

Although the interim Big 12 commissioner, Chuck Neinas, said last week that he expected Missouri to play in the Big 12 still in 2012, it was possible that it could start play in the SEC as early as next year. Missouri would become the SEC’s 14th member; the league added Texas A&M in September. The SEC would prefer 14 members, as scheduling is a much simpler process with two seven-team divisions.

It is expected that the SEC presidents will tie the same caveat about legal entanglements to Missouri’s application that they did to Texas A&M’s. The SEC has made it clear that they want no part of any legal problems, which held up Texas A&M’s admission for more than a month.

Missouri has emerged as an unlikely linchpin in expansion, considering it has never won a Big 12 title in football. But the futures of the Big 12, the SEC and the Big East were tied to Missouri’s decision.

This news dampens some optimism for the Big East, which appeared to be gaining momentum toward reviving its football fortunes. The exits of Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Texas Christian have the league struggling for survival, and Louisville and West Virginia are considered strong candidates, along with Brigham Young, for Big 12 expansion.

The Big East has made it clear that it would like to add Boise State, Air Force and Navy in football and Central Florida, Southern Methodist and Houston in all sports. The potential problem for the Big East is that it needs stability to remain attractive to potential new members.

Neinas said recently that if Missouri left, the Big 12 would settle at 10 or 12 teams. The Big 12 chairman Burns Hargis, the president of Oklahoma State, said Saturday that he would prefer a 12-team league, but acknowledged that his preference might not matter.

The loss of Missouri would leave Big 12 membership at nine, meaning a likely expansion of one or three universities, prompting more uncertainty and shuffling on the collegiate landscape.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 07:58 PM
OK I think we can officially shut this thread down now. Realignment God has spoken.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1280401

Missouri appears to have finally made up its mind to leave the Big 12 and join the SEC, three sources close to the situation told Orangebloods.com.

PBJ

KChiefs1
10-17-2011, 07:58 PM
Someone posted that they had to leave by Nov. 1 for the most favorable situation in terms of any exit penalty, and if they wanted to start in the SEC next year.. am I remembering that correctly?

Clay Travis was stating December 1st

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 08:04 PM
From Orangebloods:

Missouri appears to have finally made up its mind to leave the Big 12 and join the SEC, three sources close to the situation told Orangebloods.com.

The process is expected to begin Thursday or Friday, when Missouri's board of curators is scheduled to meet in Kansas City, the sources said.

Interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas had indicated last week that Missouri was likely to be a member of the Big 12 in 2012-13 no matter what it decided. But sources said Missouri may try to become a member of the SEC in 2012-13.

The deadline for football scheduling in the 2012-13 school year is fast approaching, so Missouri's application could fit right under that deadline, the sources said.

If Missouri leaves the Big 12, there are differing views about if the Big 12 should proceed as a 10-member or 12-member league. But it appears the leading candidates to replace Missouri are West Virginia, Louisville and possibly BYU, the sources said.

If the league were to expand to 12, it could be all three.

BYU was long considered a top candidate to join the Big 12, but sources said BYU lost interest when the Big 12 appeared to be destabilizing in early September.

Since the Big 12 has talked about granting Tier 1 and 2 TV rights to the conference, BYU has felt better about possibly joining the Big 12, sources said. Although, it's unclear where BYU would be on the list of replacements for Missouri, the sources said.

One source said the top choices to replace Missouri would still be West Virginia or Louisville if the league was to remain at 10 members.

It's been a strange journey for Missouri, whose chancellor, Brady Deaton, was the head of the Big 12 Board of Directors and worked hard to hold the Big 12 together after Oklahoma expressed an interest in exploring its conference options on Sept. 2.

But as Missouri's board of curators and others at MU became more enamored with the idea of joining the SEC, Deaton had to step down from his position as head of the five-member Big 12 expansion committee and as the head of the league's board of directors.

Missouri also played a role in realignment in 2010 as its Gov. Jay Nixon told the Associated Press the Tigers were probably a better fit in the Big Ten than in the Big 12. Those comments prompted a group of six schools in the Big 12 (Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado) to become targets of the Pac-12.

Nebraska ultimately got the Big Ten invitation, and Colorado left for the Pac-10.

Missouri would become the 14th member of the SEC, joining Texas A&M as members of the Big 12 to bolt for that league.

The SEC would be picking up its second American Association of Universities (AAU) member in Missouri (Texas A&M is the other). The AAU represents to top research universities in the country. Currently, only Florida and Vanderbilt are AAU members in the SEC.

As long as it appears the Big 12 will survive as a conference, it is unclear what legal threat the SEC may face from schools such as Baylor, Iowa State and Kansas.

But if Missouri was to leave the league, the conference realignment dominoes would begin falling again.

Stay tuned.

evenfall
10-17-2011, 08:11 PM
From PowerMizzou



two sources indicated to PowerMizzou.com on Monday morning (confirming information from separate sources over the weekend) that "everything was on track" for a move by Mizzou to the SEC. One source said "I'm 100 percent sure we're going to the SEC." The same source said that movement on the issue was expected at this week's board meeting.

Orangebloods.com confirmed that information with its sources in a report on Monday night.

Pete Thamel of the New York Times reported early on Monday evening that a source indicated "Missouri expected 'no problems; with gathering enough votes among SEC presidents for it to become a member.

The next step for the Tigers would be a "conditional withdrawal" from the Big 12 Conference. The withdrawal would be conditional in that it would depend upon the Tigers' acceptance into the SEC.

Multiple sources, both connected to Missouri and to the SEC, have told PowerMizzou.com over the last few weeks that if commissioner Mike Slive wants the Tigers in the SEC, he would have little problem securing the required votes. A super-majority of nine of the 12 schools would have to approve the addition of Missouri.

One of the reported hang-ups for Mizzou's move has been division alignment in a 14-team SEC. Putting Missouri in the West makes the most geographic sense with Auburn moving to the East. However, it has been reported that Alabama objects to those moves because it could cost the Tide its annual football game against Tennessee and because of potential recruiting advantages for Auburn. A popular proposed solution has been adding Missouri to the East Division with Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida and Georgia.

When Texas A&M stated its intention to explore conference options, it took 17 days before the Aggies submitted their withdrawal from the Big 12. It took another week before A&M was accepted by the SEC. Friday marks 17 days since Missouri's declaration of free agency.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 08:18 PM
Kietzman said that there has been absolutely no interest in Mizzou. None. Who are you going to believe, Kietzman or your lying eyes?

mnchiefsguy
10-17-2011, 08:20 PM
Kietzman said that there has been absolutely no interest in Mizzou. None. Who are you going to believe, Kietzman or your lying eyes?

Kietzman actually said that with a straight face? I can't imagine what tomorrow's meltdown is going to be like....

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 08:22 PM
Kietzman actually said that with a straight face? I can't imagine what tomorrow's meltdown is going to be like....

Straight face and crooked teeth, yes. Many times...

tk13
10-17-2011, 08:25 PM
West Virginia is such a weird fit. They're like 12 hours away from any other Big XII school. You almost have to try and bring in Louisville too you'd think. Of course BYU is probably even worse... everyone is about a 1000+ mile trip for them.

mnchiefsguy
10-17-2011, 08:28 PM
I think Louisville is the Big XII's number one choice. Not sure how they are going to get around the 27 month exit requirement for them though.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 08:32 PM
Louisville's in. I'd bet anything.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 08:35 PM
Kietzman said that there has been absolutely no interest in Mizzou. None. Who are you going to believe, Kietzman or your lying eyes?

"NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT MIZZOU TO THE SEC!"

"THE DEARMONDS ARE MAKING THIS UP!"

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 08:37 PM
Kietzman actually said that with a straight face? I can't imagine what tomorrow's meltdown is going to be like....

He's now changed his argument to the Big 12 is awesome and Mizzou will never win a game in the SEC, and the KSU fans have followed like lemmings.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 08:40 PM
He's now changed his argument to the Big 12 is awesome and Mizzou will never win a game in the SEC, and the KSU fans have followed like lemmings.

KSU fans don't listen....just you MU and KU dorks.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-utJc9IuWpo/SHjgrsObsGI/AAAAAAAAALI/9ePLSRWtcXU/s200/retard.jpg

Durr...did you HEAR what Kietzman said today!?!#11

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 08:42 PM
KSU fans don't listen....just you MU and KU dorks.

That's because you can't pick up a broadcast in Manhattan without a ham radio.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 08:44 PM
That's because you can't pick up a broadcast in Manhattan without a ham radio.

I'm sure 810 comes in just fine there.....we just know KK is a troll. Just like Jack Harry. And just like Keegan.

DJ's left nut
10-17-2011, 08:45 PM
Kansas - I hope you guys end up in the PAC or the B1G; I'm fairly certain you will. KU will have options.

K-State - I'm really looking forward to you guys disappearing back into obscurity soon enough. Kietzmann alone has been enough for me to hope that a meteorite reduces Manhattan into a pile of smoldering ash but guys like Mikey make me hope that the meteorite is actually preceded by a strain of airborn ass cancer.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 08:46 PM
I'm sure 810 comes in just fine there.....we just know KK is a troll. Just like Jack Harry. And just like Keegan.

I really didn't think KK was a troll before the Mizzou to SEC story hit, but he has given Fescoe a run for his money with his ridiculous on-air breakdowns the last month or so.

Frazod
10-17-2011, 08:47 PM
Kansas - I hope you guys end up in the PAC or the B1G; I'm fairly certain you will. KU will have options.

K-State - I'm really looking forward to you guys disappearing back into obscurity soon enough. Kietzmann alone has been enough for me to hope that a meteorite reduces Manhattan into a pile of smoldering ash but guys like Mikey make me hope that the meteorite is actually preceded by a strain of airborn ass cancer.

Jesus Christ LMAO

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm sure 810 comes in just fine there.....we just know KK is a troll. Just like Jack Harry. And just like Keegan.

and Jack Harry isn't a troll, he's just an idiot.

KChiefs1
10-17-2011, 08:48 PM
Kietzman said that there has been absolutely no interest in Mizzou. None.

He said that today???? ROFL

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 08:48 PM
I really didn't think KK was a troll before the Mizzou to SEC story hit, but he has given Fescoe a run for his money with his ridiculous on-air breakdowns the last month or so.

ROFL

Mizzou to the B1G. It's a lock!

KChiefs1
10-17-2011, 08:49 PM
I think Louisville is the Big XII's number one choice. Not sure how they are going to get around the 27 month exit requirement for them though.

It's Louisville.

DJ's left nut
10-17-2011, 08:49 PM
ROFL

Mizzou to the B1G. It's a lock!

K-State to continue praying that the XII stays together so it doesn't end up in the MVC!

Now there's a lock.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 08:51 PM
He said that today???? ROFL

No. It was a few weeks ago.

mnchiefsguy
10-17-2011, 08:52 PM
It's Louisville.

I think they are the logical choice. But if they stay at 10, then they need Louisville to be in the league next year. How are they going to get the Big East to let Louisville out of the 27 month exit? No one seems to be talking about that, but what little has been said indicates the Big East is going to make Syracuse and Pitt serve the full 27 months...so they will pretty much have to make Louisville do the same thing right?

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 08:52 PM
I'm sure 810 comes in just fine there.....we just know KK is a troll. Just like Jack Harry. And just like Keegan.

WTF are you talking about? Kietzman is a god in Manhattan.

eazyb81
10-17-2011, 08:53 PM
ROFL

Mizzou to the B1G. It's a lock!

I don't think that was trollish behavior. That was simply a journalist trying desperately to break a story and ending up looking like a clueless hick.

DJ's left nut
10-17-2011, 08:55 PM
I don't think that was trollish behavior. That was simply a journalist trying desperately to break a story and ending up looking like a clueless hick.

Bernie Miklasz knows this feeling well.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 08:56 PM
I don't think that was trollish behavior. That was simply a journalist trying desperately to break a story and ending up looking like a clueless hick.

so is his latest tirade.....

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 08:58 PM
WTF are you talking about? Kietzman is a god in Manhattan.

Yup, you're right. He and Fitz RULE that town.

http://www.donquijote.cc/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/DQWindmill.gif

KChiefs1
10-17-2011, 08:59 PM
No. It was a few weeks ago.

Too bad that wasn't his rant today because that would have been great timing...tomorrow's show should be epic!

kstater
10-17-2011, 09:00 PM
Too bad that wasn't his rant today because that would have been great timing...tomorrow's show should be epic!

BITB for a reason.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:01 PM
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/Untitled-1.jpg

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 09:02 PM
BITB for a reason.


shhhhh.....they don't know he's BITB!

KcMizzou
10-17-2011, 09:03 PM
Too bad that wasn't his rant today because that would have been great timing...tomorrow's show should be epic!Pretty predictable.

Horrible decision. Mizzou can't compete there. The Big 12 is now the more stable conference. There's more money to be made in the Big 12 anyway. Etc....

rageeumr
10-17-2011, 09:03 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm having trouble getting too awful excited about this move (should the reports prove to be true).

I feel like a viable Big 12 (which, admittedly, may not exist anymore) is still Mizzou's best option. Second is the B1G. SEC is third in my mind.

I know everybody hates these relationship analogies, but I feel like we're about to get hastily remarried just to spurn an old ex (Big 12), and the chick we really dig (B1G) is dating some other douche, so we're going to settle for the cute-fat chick (SEC).

mikeyis4dcats.
10-17-2011, 09:05 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm having trouble getting too awful excited about this move (should the reports prove to be true).

I feel like a viable Big 12 (which, admittedly, may not exist anymore) is still Mizzou's best option. Second is the B1G. SEC is third in my mind.

I know everybody hates these relationship analogies, but I feel like we're about to get hastily remarried just to spurn an old ex (Big 12), and the chick we really dig (B1G) is dating some other douche, so we're going to settle for the cute-fat chick (SEC).

my god man! #DearmondGetInHereStat

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:06 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm having trouble getting too awful excited about this move (should the reports prove to be true).

I feel like a viable Big 12 (which, admittedly, may not exist anymore) is still Mizzou's best option. Second is the B1G. SEC is third in my mind.

I know everybody hates these relationship analogies, but I feel like we're about to get hastily remarried just to spurn an old ex (Big 12), and the chick we really dig (B1G) is dating some other douche, so we're going to settle for the cute-fat chick (SEC).

I'm ecstatic that it's the SEC and not the B1G. They can take their junior membership and shove it up their cornholes.

The rust belt is dying, and the Southeast is the future.

Brianfo
10-17-2011, 09:07 PM
Pretty predictable.

Horrible decision. Mizzou can't compete there. The Big 12 is now the more stable conference. There's more money to be made in the Big 12 anyway. Etc....

Wow. Voice of reason. You will get flamed.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:08 PM
Pretty predictable.

Horrible decision. Mizzou can't compete there. The Big 12 is now the more stable conference. There's more money to be made in the Big 12 anyway. Etc....

The Big IIX will just add the University of Maine, and the University of Alaska, and the University of Hawaii, and the University of Pluto, and they'll be stronger than ever.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:09 PM
Wow. Voice of reason. You will get flamed.

I feel like someone should invent a gesture to describe posts like this. It could involve a hand and a face. We could call it palmfacing.

Frazod
10-17-2011, 09:10 PM
http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x336/hshaebr/Untitled-1.jpg

OU should be probably be about 2/3rds of the way down, with OSU positioned directly underneath it. Other than that, looks about right.

KcMizzou
10-17-2011, 09:10 PM
The Big IIX will just add the University of Maine, and the University of Alaska, and the University of Hawaii, and the University of Pluto, and they'll be stronger than ever.I hope we can schedule the University of Pluto for some non-con games.

That'd be an amazing road trip.

rageeumr
10-17-2011, 09:13 PM
I'm ecstatic that it's the SEC and not the B1G. They can take their junior membership and shove it up their cornholes.

The rust belt is dying, and the Southeast is the future.

Solid point about the junior membership. But the B1G is just a better fit in my mind. Geographically it's no contest, the B1G schools are more similar institutions, the culture is more comparable, etc.

I know people (myself included) are still jaded after we got left at the altar last year, but it doesn't diminish the fact that Mizzou looks a hell of a lot more like your average B1G school than your average SEC school.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:14 PM
I hope we can schedule the University of Pluto for some non-con games.

That'd be an amazing road trip.

I hope it's an early game. I hear it gets really cold up there, like Wisconsin cold.

KcMizzou
10-17-2011, 09:14 PM
I feel like someone should invent a gesture to describe posts like this. It could involve a hand and a face. We could call it palmfacing.LMAO I had a WTF moment, and then decided to just leave it alone.

Saul Good
10-17-2011, 09:15 PM
Solid point about the junior membership. But the B1G is just a better fit in my mind. Geographically it's no contest, the B1G schools are more similar institutions, the culture is more comparable, etc.

I know people (myself included) are still jaded after we got left at the altar last year, but it doesn't diminish the fact that Mizzou looks a hell of a lot more like your average B1G school than your average SEC school.

I'll take the conference that has won 6 of the last 5 national titles.

kstater
10-17-2011, 09:15 PM
I'll take the conference that has won 6 of the last 5 national titles.

So you see Missouri competing for NC's in the SEC?