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Pants
10-19-2011, 04:33 PM
Wait, so the fans want to keep it at the Sprint Center? Is that what you are saying?

How the fuck would I know? I want to keep it there, that's all I know.

Stewie
10-19-2011, 04:34 PM
But inviting BYU and West Virginia into a midwestern conference is practical and prudent.

You are on your game today.

We've always known MU will fit perfectly into a hillbilly conference. There's no doubt about that.

What's the drive to the closest team in the SEC East? Eight hours?

MU hillbillies don't travel well, it's a known fact. Just look at attendance for sports in Columbia.

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 04:36 PM
I guess you could also use results in recent years to increase the sample size to come up with a more realistic estimate, but clearly you were not a Math major.


Sure, we can look at the past 30 years or so.....


8 - 8+ win seasons (5 of which have been the past 5 years)
19 - 5 or less win seasons


Pure domination.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 04:36 PM
We've always known MU will fit perfectly into a hillbilly conference. There's no doubt about that.

What's the drive to the closest team in the SEC East? Eight hours?


You're clearly the geography major. You tell me.

HolyHandgernade
10-19-2011, 04:37 PM
Well, I live here, so I'd rather reward KCMO for KCMO's sake... and I'd rather the Big 12 not give up on KC just because of a state line. I get the business side of it, saying it's no longer a Big 12 state, etc; and while having the BB tournament or Farmageddon here every once in a while might be viewed as funding the enemy, it isn't exactly funding the Nazis.

Like I said, I feel bad for KC. The thing about KC that you could almost count on, is that some local team would gobble up tickets. Kids from campus could go there on a chance to get seats. OSU has basketball history, but the state is largely football oriented. Its changed a bit since the Thunder got there, and I think it would do well there. It'll never be KC, but things change. MU can talk about stability all it wants, but the Big XII could be just as stable. It will always be a target because it has good teams and no real geographic boundaries (not hemmed in by oceans or desert expanse.

As soon as TCU announced it was joining, I've become rather apathetic about MU leaving. That doesn't mean I don't care about what happens to KC. If they could move the Sprint Center, that would be great, but since that can't happen, they'll just end up one of the victims, hoping it gets some NCAA considerations in the years to come.

Stewie
10-19-2011, 04:38 PM
You're clearly the geography major. You tell me.

It's 2nd grade math. I'm sure you don't get that.

DeezNutz
10-19-2011, 04:38 PM
You guys are irrelevant and generally shitty, which is why a better conference wants to add you. /other fans

Stewie
10-19-2011, 04:39 PM
You guys are irrelevant and generally shitty, which is why a better conference wants to add you. /other fans

/Big 10 snub

Pants
10-19-2011, 04:40 PM
You guys are irrelevant and generally shitty, which is why a better conference wants to add you. /other fans

You're not generally shitty and you do have a lot of TVs and you're academically sound. You're a much better prize than Kansas when it comes to conference expansion. Congrats! Are you making a trophy?

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 04:40 PM
We need more analogies people.

Also, I haven't heard ballsack mentioned yet today.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 04:41 PM
Sure, we can look at the past 30 years or so.....


8 - 8+ win seasons (5 of which have been the past 5 years)
19 - 5 or less win seasons


Pure domination.

Gary Pinkel is 80-52 and 43-40 in his career, which includes some lean years at the beginning when he took over a down program.

Not domination, but certainly competitive which was originally the point. We'll take it.

evenfall
10-19-2011, 04:42 PM
See, easyb, if you want butthurt, Holy hand "gernade" is butthurt.

Mr_Tomahawk
10-19-2011, 04:42 PM
http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/10%20shit%20just%20got%20real.jpg

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 04:44 PM
Gary Pinkel is 80-52 and 43-40 in his career, which includes some lean years at the beginning when he took over a down program.

Not domination, but certainly competitive which was originally the point. We'll take it.


Essentially we should all just focus on the past 5 years....check.

beer bacon
10-19-2011, 04:44 PM
MU is afraid of competition in the Big 12, so they are leaving for the toughest conference in the country.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 04:44 PM
It's 2nd grade math. I'm sure you don't get that.

Here's a math question you could help me out with. What would Mizzou's annual revenue be with a $12MM bump? The numbers are getting just too crazy, I need someone to double-check my math.

BigCatDaddy
10-19-2011, 04:44 PM
Essentially we should all just focus on the past 5 years....check.

Minus this year.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 04:45 PM
Essentially we should all just focus on the past 5 years....check.

More reasonable than using stats from the 1960's and 1970's to build your case for being competitive in the present, yes?

Bambi
10-19-2011, 04:45 PM
Minus this year.

ROFL

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 04:46 PM
Minus this year.


Check.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 04:47 PM
Minus this year.

When I mentioned Gary Pinkel's career record, I meant to say that was his career record. Career would include this year, when we lost to three ranked teams on the road. Good burn attempt though. Did Bevo let you type that?

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 04:47 PM
More reasonable than using stats from the 1960's and 1970's to build your case for being competitive in the present, yes?

You called me a math major and yet you think the past 30 years includes the 60's & 70's? :facepalm:

The past 30 years would be: 1981-2011.

BigCatDaddy
10-19-2011, 04:49 PM
When I mentioned Gary Pinkel's career record, I meant to say that was his career record. Career would include this year, when we lost to three ranked teams on the road. Good burn attempt though. Did Bevo let you type that?

Yeah, it a good thing you won't be playing ranked teams on the road in the SEC. Nobody ever wins those :facepalm:

I'd like MU to stay, but if they do no big deal. In comes another patsy for OU to beatdown 90% of the time.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 04:51 PM
Yeah, it a good thing you won't be playing ranked teams on the road in the SEC. Nobody ever wins those :facepalm:

No, everyone wins their ranked road games in the SEC. That's why everyone finishes with an undefeated record there. Right?

Pants
10-19-2011, 04:51 PM
You called me a math major and yet you think the past 30 years includes the 60's & 70's? Wow.

The past 30 years would be: 1981-2011.

LMAO

You're pwning hard, mang.

Bambi
10-19-2011, 04:52 PM
When I mentioned Gary Pinkel's career record, I meant to say that was his career record. Career would include this year, when we lost to three ranked teams on the road. Good burn attempt though. Did Bevo let you type that?

No one is ranked in the SEC.

check

BigCatDaddy
10-19-2011, 04:54 PM
No, everyone wins their ranked road games in the SEC. That's why everyone finishes with an undefeated record there. Right?

WTF?

Bambi
10-19-2011, 04:55 PM
WTF?

Don't you see?

If everyone won on the road they would all be undefeated.

duh, math again

|Zach|
10-19-2011, 04:55 PM
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dozAOzXeOXQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Saul Good
10-19-2011, 04:56 PM
Essentially we should all just focus on the past 5 years....check.

You can go back 15 years and show that Alabama isn't that great of a program if you want. You'll look dumb, but that's nothing new.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 04:57 PM
You called me a math major and yet you think the past 30 years includes the 60's & 70's? :facepalm:

The past 30 years would be: 1981-2011.

So we want to use 80's and 90's results to interpret how relevant or competitive a team is in the present? No one on the current staff was even with the program then. How exactly would that be a reliable indicator instead of just using our current staff's results?

You are trying way too hard.

Saul Good
10-19-2011, 04:58 PM
/Big 10 snub

We snubbed the Big 10 by turning down their offer for junior membership this year.

Pants
10-19-2011, 04:59 PM
You can go back 15 years and show that Alabama isn't that great of a program if you want. You'll look dumb, but that's nothing new.

Ehhhh. I think they have a pretty good tradition of winning national titles.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 05:00 PM
ku fan mocking anyone about getting snubbed is pure comedy gold.

Pants
10-19-2011, 05:00 PM
We snubbed the Big 10 by turning down their offer for junior membership this year.

Is this something one of the DeArmonds claimed? Didn't someone let it slip out that MU really wanted B1G but would have to settle for the SEC?

kstater
10-19-2011, 05:02 PM
We snubbed the Big 10 by turning down their offer for junior membership this year.

Link?

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 05:03 PM
You can go back 15 years and show that Alabama isn't that great of a program if you want. You'll look dumb, but that's nothing new.

Since 1991, Alabama has a record of 173-77....of those wins, 30 were vacated. MU in all their dominance is 2 games above .500 at 119-117.

I can see what you're saying.

Bambi
10-19-2011, 05:03 PM
You can go back 15 years and show that Alabama isn't that great of a program if you want. You'll look dumb, but that's nothing new.

http://cdn.thesandtrap.com/c/c2/c28b345c_gleason_not_sure_if_serious.jpeg

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 05:04 PM
Is this something one of the DeArmonds claimed? Didn't someone let it slip out that MU really wanted B1G but would have to settle for the SEC?

Could be. We all know how wrong the Dearmonds have been about Mizzou to the SEC. Maybe KK could fill us in on the details.

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 05:04 PM
So we want to use 80's and 90's results to interpret how relevant or competitive a team is in the present? No one on the current staff was even with the program then. How exactly would that be a reliable indicator instead of just using our current staff's results?

You are trying way too hard.

We can use Pinkel's tenure at MU if you want. Minus the first 5 years and this year depending on how it ends up of course.

|Zach|
10-19-2011, 05:06 PM
BEHOLD THE FUTURE OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS: THE SUNBEAST

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/10/18/2498232/behold-the-future-of-college-athletics-the-sunbeast

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/837905/SunBeastConf_medium.jpg

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 05:07 PM
We can use Pinkel's tenure at MU if you want. Minus the first 5 years and this year depending on how it ends up of course.

By all means, keep the tough early years. Just goes to show how impressive the build was. Very comparable to what Radio is doing at ku, minus the numerous 40+ blowouts and starting out 1-10 in conference.

Pants
10-19-2011, 05:07 PM
We can use Pinkel's tenure at MU if you want. Minus the first 5 years and this year depending on how it ends up of course.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 05:07 PM
BEHOLD THE FUTURE OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS: THE SUNBEAST

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/10/18/2498232/behold-the-future-of-college-athletics-the-sunbeast

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/837905/SunBeastConf_medium.jpg

ROFLROFLROFL

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 05:10 PM
Even ESPN acknowledges how well Radio is doing at ku.

No. 11 Kansas State at Kansas (Noon, Fox Sports Net): Last year's Sunflower Showdown was a 59-7 laugher, but the Jayhawks could build on last week's strong performance against Oklahoma with a win that would put a lot of faith from fans into coach Turner Gill. K-State, though, looks like a team of destiny through six games.

You guys only lost by 30 points at home! That's one the players will tell their grandkids about some day. LMAO

Saul Good
10-19-2011, 05:11 PM
Since 1991, Alabama has a record of 173-77....of those wins, 30 were vacated. MU in all their dominance is 2 games above .500 at 119-117.

I can see what you're saying.

2011-15=1996

I can see that you're not good at math.

Pants
10-19-2011, 05:12 PM
Link?

You don't need links for stuff like that.

KU snubbed the SEC when they came calling.

Frazod
10-19-2011, 05:14 PM
Even ESPN acknowledges how well Radio is doing at ku.



You guys only lost by 30 points at home! That's one the players will tell their grandkids about some day. LMAO

Baby steps.... baby steps.

Someday, God willing, they'll only lose by 29. LMAO

Pants
10-19-2011, 05:15 PM
You guys only lost by 30 points at home! That's one the players will tell their grandkids about some day. LMAO

I was surprised the score was 27-17 in the 3rd. Oklahoma has a beastly defense, there's no denying that. Our boys who have been letting everyone march down the field the whole season did step up. You can only hold for so long when your offense is constantly going 3 and out though.

Saul Good
10-19-2011, 05:17 PM
Even ESPN acknowledges how well Radio is doing at ku.



You guys only lost by 30 points at home! That's one the players will tell their grandkids about some day. LMAO

They should really use that momentum to show up strong against K-State. Oklahoma only outgained KU 317-216 in the second half. Of course, Oklahoma's 317 were yards, and KU's 216 were inches.

eazyb81
10-19-2011, 05:18 PM
They should really use that momentum to show up strong against K-State. Oklahoma only outgained KU 317-216 in the second half. Of course, Oklahoma's 317 were yards, and KU's 216 were inches.

:LOL: Oh wow.

Reaper16
10-19-2011, 05:25 PM
'Bama was one of the holdouts, but are "all-in" as long as Missouri is in the East (which I think will happen).



Never associate an Auburn catchphrase with the University of Alabama again. That's the kind of rookie mistake that will get you laughed off of SEC boards.

Sannyasi
10-19-2011, 05:51 PM
Minus this year.

Yeah, its a shame that we had to have a down year after losing 2 NFL top 10 picks, but that kind of stuff happens. Well, I guess not if you are Kansas.

Mr. Plow
10-19-2011, 06:04 PM
2011-15=1996

I can see that you're not good at math.


Do whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. I'll just look at the history rather than select # of years to prove a point.

tomahawk kid
10-19-2011, 06:16 PM
Never associate an Auburn catchphrase with the University of Alabama again. That's the kind of rookie mistake that will get you laughed off of SEC boards.

My bad.

veist
10-19-2011, 06:22 PM
It's a money deal from both sides. Mizzou brings two major television markets, solid athletic programs, with exceptional facilities, and a strong academic reputation.

In many ways, A&M and Mizzou are comparable entities.

"Missouri’s $53.2 million athletics budget in 2010 would rank 11th in a 14-team SEC — ahead of Mississippi, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt." "Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana State, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina and Tennessee — raked in more than double the $25.4 million in revenue MU generated in 2010." And finally "Alabama poured $65 million into renovating Bryant-Denney Stadium last summer — the third major expansion in a dozen years." Your facilities are going to be right up there with Vandy and the Mississippi schools. Even Kentucky which is a basketball school is dumping $150M into their stadium this year.

But you are right about the second part, aTm while outspending Mizzou by about $16M would only rank one spot ahead of you in the SEC in spending! Seriously, its a crazy arms race down there and you guys are like 10 years behind the curve.

Spott
10-19-2011, 06:28 PM
"Missouri’s $53.2 million athletics budget in 2010 would rank 11th in a 14-team SEC — ahead of Mississippi, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt." "Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana State, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina and Tennessee — raked in more than double the $25.4 million in revenue MU generated in 2010." And finally "Alabama poured $65 million into renovating Bryant-Denney Stadium last summer — the third major expansion in a dozen years." Your facilities are going to be right up there with Vandy and the Mississippi schools. Even Kentucky which is a basketball school is dumping $150M into their stadium this year.

But you are right about the second part, aTm while outspending Mizzou by about $16M would only rank one spot ahead of you in the SEC in spending! Seriously, its a crazy arms race down there and you guys are like 10 years behind the curve.

Better late than never. The longer they wait, the more behind the curve they would be.

DeezNutz
10-19-2011, 06:48 PM
You're not generally shitty and you do have a lot of TVs and you're academically sound. You're a much better prize than Kansas when it comes to conference expansion. Congrats! Are you making a trophy?

Nope. When all of the emotion settles down, we (in the corporate sense) actually should be able to discuss SEC/new Big 12 more sanely.

I honestly think this whole situation might end up in a win-win for all universities involved.

veist
10-19-2011, 07:00 PM
Better late than never. The longer they wait, the more behind the curve they would be.

The issue is, how are you going to catch up? You're chasing schools that can throw around almost as much coin on training facilities (Tenn is opening a $48M football facility next year) as you spend on athletics as a whole on a year to year basis? A&M has almost a third more money to throw around on athletics than Missouri and they're going to only be ahead of Missouri, Vandy and the Mississippi schools if you join. Let me quote the great college football guru Bruce Feldman on this “You’re closer to a have-not than you are to a have in the SEC, where in the Big 12 you’re closer to the top than you are to the bottom of the batch.” I mean this sincerely and without venom, good luck with all that.

Saul Good
10-19-2011, 07:51 PM
The issue is, how are you going to catch up? You're chasing schools that can throw around almost as much coin on training facilities (Tenn is opening a $48M football facility next year) as you spend on athletics as a whole on a year to year basis? A&M has almost a third more money to throw around on athletics than Missouri and they're going to only be ahead of Missouri, Vandy and the Mississippi schools if you join. Let me quote the great college football guru Bruce Feldman on this “You’re closer to a have-not than you are to a have in the SEC, where in the Big 12 you’re closer to the top than you are to the bottom of the batch.” I mean this sincerely and without venom, good luck with all that.

Perhaps they have more money to spend because they have better television contracts and aren't forced to make due with whatever crumbs are left over after Texas is done.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-19-2011, 08:27 PM
nice $300mil expansion Arky is starting...

Bambi
10-19-2011, 08:35 PM
nice $300mil expansion Arky is starting...

those people are insane

kstater
10-19-2011, 08:42 PM
nice $300mil expansion Arky is starting...

Over 30 years. It's a master plan. Only confirmed upgrade is a Football office space.

tk13
10-19-2011, 08:46 PM
It's a master plan. Only confirmed upgrade is a Football office space.

I hope they bring in the guy who loves the red stapler. He's pretty funny.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-19-2011, 08:48 PM
Over 30 years. It's a master plan. Only confirmed upgrade is a Football office space.

shhhhh.....don't ruin it.

Saul Good
10-19-2011, 08:52 PM
Mizzou won't be able to compete with their office space. Its like a corporate arms race. Arkansas is Staples, and Mizzou is Dunder Mifflin.

tomahawk kid
10-19-2011, 09:09 PM
The issue is, how are you going to catch up? You're chasing schools that can throw around almost as much coin on training facilities (Tenn is opening a $48M football facility next year) as you spend on athletics as a whole on a year to year basis? A&M has almost a third more money to throw around on athletics than Missouri and they're going to only be ahead of Missouri, Vandy and the Mississippi schools if you join. Let me quote the great college football guru Bruce Feldman on this “You’re closer to a have-not than you are to a have in the SEC, where in the Big 12 you’re closer to the top than you are to the bottom of the batch.” I mean this sincerely and without venom, good luck with all that.

I don't think any Missouri fan worth their salt won't tell you EVERYONE (AD, coaching staff and fans) will need to step their game up.

We're potentially moving to the "big boy table" - and that will take a bigger commitment on everyone's part.

Having said that, there's a real possibility that our athletic budget could be +$15 with a move to the SEC. That's alot of coin YoY that can be put into facilities etc.

In my experience, the "tough" thing to do and the "right" thing to do are (in most cases) the same course of action. I don't view this potential decision for Missouri as anything but that......

duncan_idaho
10-19-2011, 09:31 PM
From what I hear, the athletic department is fully aware of the need to play major catchup in the arms race and has been working behind the scenes to make sure there are pushes to get contributions from big donors and also an effort to expand the small donor base.

There are a pair of basketball boosters who live in Columbia (one is a bar owner, the other married into money) who supposedly are very excited about the prospect of playing in the same conference as Mike Anderson again and are ready to donate some big money.

I have a buddy who works in the fundraising office. He keeps hinting that there is "a plan" for Stan Kroenke's big donation (which I would expect to trump the donation of Bill Laurie for the basketball arena). It honestly wouldn't surprise me if that comes in shortly, either.

evenfall
10-19-2011, 09:51 PM
Everyone most certainly will have to step up, from the fans to the AD to the head coach on down.

You know what I don't get? Mike Alden. Aside from hiring Pinkel, you'd be hard pressed to list accomplishments. The basketball program has mostly been a fire drill aside from Snyder's loaded but underachieving early teams. But Alden got the biggest decision right, so he survives. Reminds me of Carl Peterson. He hired the right coach and lived a long time off getting that right, though his overall batting average was not so good.

Look at the basketball coaching search, humiliation, and the subsequent desperation hire. If his continued position isn't proof that football is about 80% of it...

duncan_idaho
10-19-2011, 10:20 PM
Everyone most certainly will have to step up, from the fans to the AD to the head coach on down.

You know what I don't get? Mike Alden. Aside from hiring Pinkel, you'd be hard pressed to list accomplishments. The basketball program has mostly been a fire drill aside from Snyder's loaded but underachieving early teams. But Alden got the biggest decision right, so he survives. Reminds me of Carl Peterson. He hired the right coach and lived a long time off getting that right, though his overall batting average was not so good.

Look at the basketball coaching search, humiliation, and the subsequent desperation hire. If his continued position isn't proof that football is about 80% of it...

I'm not a big defender of Alden, but his accomplishments go beyond Pinkel...

1) The athletic department budget has expanded exponentially under Alden. True, part of this is due to some accounting practices, but he has made a big commitment to making Missouri a player across the board.

2) Elevation of department expectations. Alden has made good hires and placed good coaches in wrestling, gymnastics, women's volleyball, softball and retained a good baseball coach.

3) Facilities upgrades (enormous improvements across the board in this area)

WilliamTheIrish
10-19-2011, 10:25 PM
Nope. When all of the emotion settles down, we (in the corporate sense) actually should be able to discuss SEC/new Big 12 more sanely.

I honestly think this whole situation might end up in a win-win for all universities involved.

That's what I'm telling myself.

Al Bundy
10-20-2011, 08:33 AM
KK definitely can never question anyone's loyalty.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 08:37 AM
KK definitely can never question anyone's loyalty.

You mean you don't look to a man who's marriage crumbled after he had an affair with an intern when you need advice on loyalty?

tomahawk kid
10-20-2011, 08:48 AM
You mean you don't look to a man who's marriage crumbled after he had an affair with an intern when you need advice on loyalty?

KK's got a HUGE inferiority complex. I'm not sure if that stems from the fact he was a cheerleader in high school or if he got his a$$ kicked on the playground in elementary school.

Regardless, I believe that it drives 100% of his venom. Somehow, he's got it in his head that Mizzou fans think they're "better" than everyone else because we have a (rumored) SEC invite. I have no doubt the "idiot" portion of our fanbase is thumping their chest, but I would suggest that to be the exception and not the rule (at least in the circles I run in). I would describe the mood amongst my Mizzou bretheren as "grateful" and "relieved" as opposed to "cocky".

I have some ksu friends and co-workers that go from zero to cocky every year when they when 2 sequential football games. I certainly don't project their tendancies to the fan base as a whole.

NewChief
10-20-2011, 08:54 AM
nice $300mil expansion Arky is starting...

Yeah. It's nuts, but it's over 30 years. Sweet pics if you follow the link.

http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2011/10/18/ua-unveils-athletic-facilities-master-plan/
University of Arkansas Athletic Director and Vice Chancellor Jeff Long outlined a plan for major upgrades to the UA’s athletic facilities at a press conference held at the Broyles Athletic Center on Tuesday.

Long said that while specific details within the newly unveiled Athletic Facilities Master Plan are tentative for now, the plan itself is designed to guide and address facilities needs at the UA for years to come.

“We have an obligation to plan for the future and the Athletic Facilities Master Plan enables us to move forward in the best interests of meeting the needs of our student-athletes, coaches, donors and fans,” he said. “The plan is an ambitious wish list to address facility needs for all 19 of our sports over the next five, 15 and 30 years. It is the next step to build our program and maintain competitiveness in the Southeastern Conference and nationally.”

Back in February, the University of Arkansas Board of Trustees approved the commission of the plan, developed by an architect team including Populous, Modus Studio and University Facilities Management.

Long stressed that none of the facilities included in the plan are final at this point, and that timeline and priority for the individual projects have also not been determined.

“The master plan was developed in coordination with the overall Campus Growth Plan,” he said. “Before any new project is started, we will present plans to the Board of Trustees for approval.”

One project, however, that has already been approved by the Board of Trustees is the recently announced football operations center. Long reminded those in attendance on Tuesday that groundbreaking for the Football Center is set for Nov. 4 at 3 p.m., the day before the Arkansas-South Carolina football game in Fayetteville.

Long also let slip plans other plans for improvements, including a new video board for Reynolds Razorback Stadium to be installed as soon as 2012.

The entire plan has an estimated price-tag of between $286.8 and $327.85 million, a figure that Long feels can be raised.

“To put this into context, I think it’s important to look at our history. Over the last 11 years we’ve averaged about $18 million (per year) on renovations and new facilities,” he said. “If you take that out over 11 years, it’s nearly $200 million. When you project $320 million over 30 years, it’s about 11 million. If you project it over a more ambition 20 years, it’s about 16 million.”

Long said that funds for the project will come from the usual sources.

“We will certainly rely on the generosity of our supporters through major gifts,” he said. “We’ll rely on the Razorback Foundation funds that are contributed to our program. We will rely on the revenues of ticket sales, multimedia sponsorship agreements, SEC Television revenue distribution, and we will certainly utilize bonds, proceeds supported by athletic revenues.”

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 08:59 AM
Any truth to the rumor that they are also planning a $200,000,000 indoor noodling facility?

NewChief
10-20-2011, 09:13 AM
Any truth to the rumor that they are also planning a $200,000,000 indoor noodling facility?

Those are the okies. Big 12 thing. :p

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 09:25 AM
KK's got a HUGE inferiority complex. I'm not sure if that stems from the fact he was a cheerleader in high school or if he got his a$$ kicked on the playground in elementary school.

Regardless, I believe that it drives 100% of his venom. Somehow, he's got it in his head that Mizzou fans think they're "better" than everyone else because we have a (rumored) SEC invite. I have no doubt the "idiot" portion of our fanbase is thumping their chest, but I would suggest that to be the exception and not the rule (at least in the circles I run in). I would describe the mood amongst my Mizzou bretheren as "grateful" and "relieved" as opposed to "cocky".

I have some ksu friends and co-workers that go from zero to cocky every year when they when 2 sequential football games. I certainly don't project their tendancies to the fan base as a whole.

His hatred for St. Louis tops it all. It is hilarious how insecure he is about St. Louis and the Cardinals. He's tried to create this huge KC/STL rivalry that really isn't there, at least on the KCMO side.

Bearcat
10-20-2011, 09:28 AM
KK's got a HUGE inferiority complex. I'm not sure if that stems from the fact he was a cheerleader in high school or if he got his a$$ kicked on the playground in elementary school.

Regardless, I believe that it drives 100% of his venom. Somehow, he's got it in his head that Mizzou fans think they're "better" than everyone else because we have a (rumored) SEC invite. I have no doubt the "idiot" portion of our fanbase is thumping their chest, but I would suggest that to be the exception and not the rule (at least in the circles I run in). I would describe the mood amongst my Mizzou bretheren as "grateful" and "relieved" as opposed to "cocky".

I have some ksu friends and co-workers that go from zero to cocky every year when they when 2 sequential football games. I certainly don't project their tendancies to the fan base as a whole.

He reads Chiefsplanet?

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 09:35 AM
He reads Chiefsplanet?

rep.

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 09:38 AM
He reads Chiefsplanet?

:)

I can't understand how he would get that idea into his head.

Pants
10-20-2011, 09:41 AM
:)

I can't understand how he would get that idea into his head.

One can only imagine what some of these guys would be like if they had an actual winning program (excluding Deez and KCMizzou).

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 09:42 AM
Yeah. It's nuts, but it's over 30 years. Sweet pics if you follow the link.

http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/2011/10/18/ua-unveils-athletic-facilities-master-plan/
University of Arkansas Athletic Director and Vice Chancellor Jeff Long outlined a plan for major upgrades to the UA’s athletic facilities at a press conference held at the Broyles Athletic Center on Tuesday.

Long said that while specific details within the newly unveiled Athletic Facilities Master Plan are tentative for now, the plan itself is designed to guide and address facilities needs at the UA for years to come.

“We have an obligation to plan for the future and the Athletic Facilities Master Plan enables us to move forward in the best interests of meeting the needs of our student-athletes, coaches, donors and fans,” he said. “The plan is an ambitious wish list to address facility needs for all 19 of our sports over the next five, 15 and 30 years. It is the next step to build our program and maintain competitiveness in the Southeastern Conference and nationally.”

Back in February, the University of Arkansas Board of Trustees approved the commission of the plan, developed by an architect team including Populous, Modus Studio and University Facilities Management.

Long stressed that none of the facilities included in the plan are final at this point, and that timeline and priority for the individual projects have also not been determined.

“The master plan was developed in coordination with the overall Campus Growth Plan,” he said. “Before any new project is started, we will present plans to the Board of Trustees for approval.”

One project, however, that has already been approved by the Board of Trustees is the recently announced football operations center. Long reminded those in attendance on Tuesday that groundbreaking for the Football Center is set for Nov. 4 at 3 p.m., the day before the Arkansas-South Carolina football game in Fayetteville.

Long also let slip plans other plans for improvements, including a new video board for Reynolds Razorback Stadium to be installed as soon as 2012.

The entire plan has an estimated price-tag of between $286.8 and $327.85 million, a figure that Long feels can be raised.

“To put this into context, I think it’s important to look at our history. Over the last 11 years we’ve averaged about $18 million (per year) on renovations and new facilities,” he said. “If you take that out over 11 years, it’s nearly $200 million. When you project $320 million over 30 years, it’s about 11 million. If you project it over a more ambition 20 years, it’s about 16 million.”

Long said that funds for the project will come from the usual sources.

“We will certainly rely on the generosity of our supporters through major gifts,” he said. “We’ll rely on the Razorback Foundation funds that are contributed to our program. We will rely on the revenues of ticket sales, multimedia sponsorship agreements, SEC Television revenue distribution, and we will certainly utilize bonds, proceeds supported by athletic revenues.”


That's going to look pretty sweet when it's all said and done.

evenfall
10-20-2011, 09:54 AM
A source with connections to television executives involved in broadcasting college football in multiple BCS conferences has further confirmed what PowerMizzou.com reported earlier in the week. The source said Missouri's move to the SEC was "as done as done can be without the official vote." The source further stated that the vote, as reported earlier in the week by the Times, is not expected to be a hurdle.

Reaper16
10-20-2011, 10:06 AM
His hatred for St. Louis tops it all. It is hilarious how insecure he is about St. Louis and the Cardinals. He's tried to create this huge KC/STL rivalry that really isn't there, at least on the KCMO side.
Put that in another one of your misogynist analogies, will 'ya?

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 10:16 AM
A source with connections to television executives involved in broadcasting college football in multiple BCS conferences has further confirmed what PowerMizzou.com reported earlier in the week. The source said Missouri's move to the SEC was "as done as done can be without the official vote." The source further stated that the vote, as reported earlier in the week by the Times, is not expected to be a hurdle.

I don't buy it. I've been assured many times on CP that the votes aren't there.

In fact, I've learned a lot here.

Nobody wants Mizzou.
If they do, its just so they can add a weak team.
Nobody cares about Mizzou.
Mizzou destroyed the conference.
Mizzou shouldn't break up the rivaly with KU.
KU won't play MU if we leave because they don't care about MU.
The Big XII is a great geographical and cultural fit for Mizzou.
The Big XII will add BYU and West Virginia.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 10:24 AM
I don't buy it. I've been assured many times on CP that the votes aren't there.

In fact, I've learned a lot here.

Nobody wants Mizzou.
If they do, its just so they can add a weak team.
Nobody cares about Mizzou.
Mizzou destroyed the conference.
Mizzou shouldn't break up the rivaly with KU.
KU won't play MU if we leave because they don't care about MU.
The Big XII is a great geographical and cultural fit for Mizzou.
The Big XII will add BYU and West Virginia.
MU fans are humble and grounded

fyp

Bearcat
10-20-2011, 10:37 AM
I don't buy it. I've been assured many times on CP that the votes aren't there.

In fact, I've learned a lot here.

Nobody wants Mizzou.
If they do, its just so they can add a weak team.
Nobody cares about Mizzou.
Mizzou destroyed the conference.
Mizzou shouldn't break up the rivaly with KU.
KU won't play MU if we leave because they don't care about MU.
The Big XII is a great geographical and cultural fit for Mizzou.
The Big XII will add BYU and West Virginia.

It's almost like different people have different opinions, perspectives, and agendas, and not any single one of them speaks for an entire fanbase or is even doing anything more than trolling for this kind of crying... but really, keep "learning" things by assuming each statement by each rival fan is a proclamation of the absolute truth that not only they believe, but every other fan believes (<- that's deliberate hyperbole, btw, refuting it will only produce lols).

tl;dr -- :deevee: STFU

evenfall
10-20-2011, 10:48 AM
It's almost like different people have different opinions, perspectives, and agendas, and not any single one of them speaks for an entire fanbase or is even doing anything more than trolling for this kind of crying... but really, keep "learning" things by assuming each statement by each rival fan is a proclamation of the absolute truth that not only they believe, but every other fan believes (<- that's deliberate hyperbole, btw, refuting it will only produce lols).

tl;dr -- :deevee: STFU

Summary: deuces.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 10:58 AM
Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/2011/10/19/20111019mountain-west-conference-16-team-college-football-playoff.html

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:04 AM
Yeah. It's nuts, but it's over 30 years. Sweet pics if you follow the link.


Hmmmmm....where would Mizzou ever get an additional $300 million over 30 years? Wait...has anyone considered using the additional $12+ million in revenue generated by a move to the SEC in order to expand the facilities to a level on par with other similarly situated SEC schools!!! Jesus - it just might work!

Arkansas remains an excellent example for Mizzou. It will absolutely take some time, but that additional revenue is going to go right back into the program. There's going to be some lean years and some dark periods here and there, but Mizzou will absolutely be better off for making this move.

evenfall
10-20-2011, 11:04 AM
Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/2011/10/19/20111019mountain-west-conference-16-team-college-football-playoff.html

Dumb.. I can see why minor conferences feel threatened by this realignment stuff, but you can't extend the season by 4 weeks.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:06 AM
fyp

Keep on fucking that chicken, tiger.

You've been listening to way too much Kietzman.

DaKCMan AP
10-20-2011, 11:12 AM
Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/2011/10/19/20111019mountain-west-conference-16-team-college-football-playoff.html

A conference with less than zero influence..

Frazod
10-20-2011, 11:13 AM
Keep on fucking that chicken, tiger.

You've been listening to way too much Kietzman.

I've never listened to a second of his show, and I've heard too much. Who listens to shit like this? I guess it's something do to when you're at work and can't watch Jerry Springer.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:14 AM
I was in Joplin yesterday when the Kietzman/Harry argument went on, but I think it's fair to point out just how absurd KK was being when he built his little straw-man with Harry.

Jack Harry is absolutely wrong here. There's no way on Gods green earth the XII should keep that tournament in KC. But KK went on to paint this as the "Missouri fans" position. Look Harry wears dual hats. He's a Missouri guy, but he's also a Kansas City resident and sports personality.

He wasn't speaking as a MU guy there, but as a KC sports personality. Yet KK tried to put a Mizzou hat on him. Here's what KK constantly fails to realize - Kansas City is only about 1/3 of Missouri's fanbase, probably even a little less. St. Louis is a stronger MU town than KC is and the rest of the state is heavy MU as well since it's the only major athletic university in the state.

So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives.

All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what?

But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving.

He really does expose himself as a bitter little shit if you pay attention to what arguments he chooses to make. Not the arguments themselves (as his argument there was an easy win), but how he chooses to couch arguments and frame them to deconstruct straw-men.

He's a perfect little Wildcat right now.

NewChief
10-20-2011, 11:19 AM
Hmmmmm....where would Mizzou ever get an additional $300 million over 30 years? Wait...has anyone considered using the additional $12+ million in revenue generated by a move to the SEC in order to expand the facilities to a level on par with other similarly situated SEC schools!!! Jesus - it just might work!

Arkansas remains an excellent example for Mizzou. It will absolutely take some time, but that additional revenue is going to go right back into the program. There's going to be some lean years and some dark periods here and there, but Mizzou will absolutely be better off for making this move.

Exactly. I went to school here when we were just joining the SEC (and during our basketball title). Our athletics (and academic) facilities were a far cry then from what they are today. Tailgating was pathetic, and there was no culture of fanaticism (except with basketball). Since joining the SEC, things have completely changed. Razorback sports are insane now and our facilities for all sports are top notch.

KCrockaholic
10-20-2011, 11:22 AM
I can't keep up with this stuff.....where are my Missouri Tigers going to end up? Besides the obvious answer of Columbia.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:25 AM
Exactly. I went to school here when we were just joining the SEC (and during our basketball title). Our athletics (and academic) facilities were a far cry then from what they are today. Tailgating was pathetic, and there was no culture of fanaticism (except with basketball). Since joining the SEC, things have completely changed. Razorback sports are insane now and our facilities for all sports are top notch.

And Missouri already has basketball facilities that would be in the top 2 or 3 of the conference as well as indoor practice facilities that rank with virtually any school in the country.

If MU put together a $300 million stadium renovation, they'd have athletic facilities that rivaled the absolute best anywhere in the country.

It's really just a useless argument to have at this point. MU would go into the SEC in a far better position than Arkansas did with absolutely nothing that would prevent it from being just as successful down there. In the meantime, the atmosphere surrounding the athletic department would unquestionably step up a notch.

But the K-Staters insist we're being arrogant for looking forward to this.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 11:29 AM
Keep on ****ing that chicken, tiger.

You've been listening to way too much Kietzman.

I broke the norm and listened to him clown Jack Harry yesterday for about 10 minutes. That's the first I've listened in over a year. Only KU and MU fans listen to him troll...

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 11:30 AM
I was in Joplin yesterday when the Kietzman/Harry argument went on, but I think it's fair to point out just how absurd KK was being when he built his little straw-man with Harry.

Jack Harry is absolutely wrong here. There's no way on Gods green earth the XII should keep that tournament in KC. But KK went on to paint this as the "Missouri fans" position. Look Harry wears dual hats. He's a Missouri guy, but he's also a Kansas City resident and sports personality.

He wasn't speaking as a MU guy there, but as a KC sports personality. Yet KK tried to put a Mizzou hat on him. Here's what KK constantly fails to realize - Kansas City is only about 1/3 of Missouri's fanbase, probably even a little less. St. Louis is a stronger MU town than KC is and the rest of the state is heavy MU as well since it's the only major athletic university in the state.

So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives.

All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what?

But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving.

He really does expose himself as a bitter little shit if you pay attention to what arguments he chooses to make. Not the arguments themselves (as his argument there was an easy win), but how he chooses to couch arguments and frame them to deconstruct straw-men.

He's a perfect little Wildcat right now.

If KK = KSU then Harry definitely = MU.

evenfall
10-20-2011, 11:30 AM
So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives.

All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what?

But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving.

The issue is, where can the tournament be held? OKC or Dallas. Des Moines will lobby, but nobody wants to travel to Des Moines. KC still makes a lot of sense geographically and because KC is not really an all-Missouri city. The fact that the arena sits a couple of miles across the border doesn't really mean much. The Giants play in New Jersey. I don't see this a lot differently.

He is butthurt because on the whole I think this is bad for his business. He knows it despite what he says. His station has gotten a lot of mileage out of MU/KU, the Big 12 tournament, the games at Arrowhead, and even the negative interest MU fans take in KU basketball and KU fans take in MU football.

He campaigned for weeks trying to swap public opinion to stop it. He failed. Chiefplanet is displaying few examples of overt butthurt, KK has the biggest case of butthurt on the earth about this thing. Harry is right that he is jealous as well, but I think his wallet is yelping louder.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 11:35 AM
Exactly. I went to school here when we were just joining the SEC (and during our basketball title). Our athletics (and academic) facilities were a far cry then from what they are today. Tailgating was pathetic, and there was no culture of fanaticism (except with basketball). Since joining the SEC, things have completely changed. Razorback sports are insane now and our facilities for all sports are top notch.

Arkansas' stadium capacity increased about 56% since they joined the SEC in 1992. Amazing what replacing games against the likes of SMU, Rice, and Houston with Alabama, Tennessee, and LSU can do to excite a fanbase.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:39 AM
The issue is, where can the tournament be held? OKC or Dallas. Des Moines will lobby, but nobody wants to travel to Des Moines. KC still makes a lot of sense geographically and because KC is not really an all-Missouri city. The fact that the arena sits a couple of miles across the border doesn't really mean much. The Giants play in New Jersey. I don't see this a lot differently.

He is butthurt because on the whole I think this is bad for his business. He knows it despite what he says. His station has gotten a lot of mileage out of MU/KU, the Big 12 tournament, the games at Arrowhead, and even the negative interest MU fans take in KU basketball and KU fans take in MU football.

He campaigned for weeks trying to swap public opinion to stop it. He failed. Chiefplanet is displaying few examples of overt butthurt, KK has the biggest case of butthurt on the earth about this thing. Harry is right that he is jealous as well, but I think his wallet is yelping louder.

Eh, KK made some good suggestions; Wichita evidently has a new basketball arena, as does Des Moines. OKC and Dallas would be great spots for it as well.

It would just rotate among states with member schools; seems very sensible to me.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 11:41 AM
If KK = KSU then Harry definitely = MU.

Jack Harry has explicitely stated that he's not a Mizzou fan but took to their side because of the imbalance against them. Its not like Harry is an MU grad.

Bearcat
10-20-2011, 11:42 AM
Dumb.. I can see why minor conferences feel threatened by this realignment stuff, but you can't extend the season by 4 weeks.

Why not? Time isn't really an issue... last year's bowl season was 4 weeks long, so it's not like games would be stretching into February, as they could use that same time period from mid-Dec through the first week or two of January. Of course, it's more games, more chances for injuries, less time to study for that communications final, etc; but hell, knock off that game vs Missouri State, since it's a useless scrimmage anyway... :shrug:

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 11:43 AM
Jack Harry has explicitely stated that he's not a Mizzou fan but took to their side because of the imbalance against them. Its not like Harry is an MU grad.

and that changes the fact he is an MU homer because?

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 11:44 AM
Why not? Time isn't really an issue... last year's bowl season was 4 weeks long, so it's not like games would be stretching into February, as they could use that same time period from mid-Dec through the first week or two of January. Of course, it's more games, more chances for injuries, less time to study for that communications final, etc; but hell, knock off that game vs Missouri State, since it's a useless scrimmage anyway... :shrug:

practically you are talking about 4 more games, more practices, more travel, more missed class, instead of 1 game and the associated practice and travel. it IS a big difference.

And you know the bowl sponsors want their money still.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 11:45 AM
Petro is saying what I have been thinking. The withdrwal goes down on Friday. Slive announces the approval on Monday. The SEC gets a week's worth of free promotion on the Big XII's dime leading up to the Tigers\Aggies game.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 11:48 AM
practically you are talking about 4 more games, more practices, more travel, more missed class, instead of 1 game and the associated practice and travel. it IS a big difference.

And you know the bowl sponsors want their money still.

Not sure how much sway the bowls will have given the recent expose on how "uncharitable" they have been with bowl revenue. Their actions may prove to be the black eye that pushes the schools toward an organized tournament system.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 11:49 AM
and that changes the fact he is an MU homer because?

Because defending a school against unfair criticism and/or playing devil's advocate does not constitute homerism.

Pants
10-20-2011, 11:50 AM
Because defending a school against unfair criticism and/or playing devil's advocate does not constitute homerism.

LMAO

Poor little MU.

Saul Good, your victim mentality is exhausting.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 11:51 AM
Because defending a school against unfair criticism and/or playing devil's advocate does not constitute homerism.

and the other 364 days of the year Harry is also defending lil miss mizzou's honor?

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 11:51 AM
LMAO

Poor little MU.



From the guy who has the school that is literally begging its fans to watch them come play.

Pants
10-20-2011, 11:51 AM
From the guy who has the school that is literally begging its fans to watch them come play.

And yet I'm not acting like a victim.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 11:51 AM
Not sure how much sway the bowls will have given the recent expose on how "uncharitable" they have been with bowl revenue. Their actions may prove to be the black eye that pushes the schools toward an organized tournament system.

meh, people don't care. The Fiesta Bowl scandal is forgotten in the mind of 99% of the public.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:53 AM
and that changes the fact he is an MU homer because?

Uh...he doesn't count them as his 'home' university.

He's openly and obviously playing Devil's advocate. He's not being a 'homer' by any definition; he's being a KC sports radio personality that has a responsibility to create ratings via offering a counterpoint. KK then seizes on a stated 'devils advocate' position as "Missouri fans are saying"...

You really don't understand how obviously bitter that appears?

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 11:53 AM
And yet I'm not acting like a victim.

Ah yes, ku fans have no problem with blatant lies about their fans or university. You guys are so above it all.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:54 AM
Petro is saying what I have been thinking. The withdrwal goes down on Friday. Slive announces the approval on Monday. The SEC gets a week's worth of free promotion on the Big XII's dime leading up to the Tigers\Aggies game.

Dear Mizzou: Please don't do anything dumb like lose by 50 to the Cowboys and somehow !@#$ this up.

I can see this happening.

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 11:54 AM
And yet I'm not acting like a victim.

Missouri is moving on to a tougher conference and other people are telling us we shouldn't because"omgz it will be hard" but yea...we have the victim mentality.

Nothing says victim mentality by taking actions to remove yourself from a situation you are not a fan of.

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 11:55 AM
I can't believe how many of you hate yourselves enough to listen to sports talk radio. Any of it.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:55 AM
and the other 364 days of the year Harry is also defending lil miss mizzou's honor?

That would be make-believe, Chief.

Especially since you just claimed that you haven't listened to KK in a year and that's the only show he plays an active role on (and is often critical of the school).

Go ahead and tip-toe away from this one, you're showing your ass right now.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 11:56 AM
meh, people don't care. The Fiesta Bowl scandal is forgotten in the mind of 99% of the public.

My point is that the bowls are less likely to have success catering to the masses or even politicians based on the recent bad press. The expose on Outside the Lines or Real Sports basically showed that much more of the revenue goes to bowl employees instead of charity than is led to believe.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 11:56 AM
LMAO

Poor little MU.

Saul Good, your victim mentality is exhausting.

Victim? Mizzou wanted a better lot in life, so they got off their asses and did something about it. That's not playing the victim. That's ambition.

Kietzman is the one trying to start a protest of the Mizzou BOR meeting. THAT is a bunch of KSU and KU pussies acting like victims.

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 11:56 AM
This whole thread has become just a big WTF.

Pants
10-20-2011, 11:56 AM
Uh...he doesn't count them as his 'home' university.

He's openly and obviously playing Devil's advocate. He's not being a 'homer' by any definition; he's being a KC sports radio personality that has a responsibility to create ratings via offering a counterpoint. KK then seizes on a stated 'devils advocate' position as "Missouri fans are saying"...

You really don't understand how obviously bitter that appears?

Dude, Jack Harry is as biased as they come. I don't know why you're focusing on the re-alignment issues, he's been doing his thing for many, many years. It's a well known fact that he's a huge MU fan and hates Kansas with a passion. He makes a complete fool of himself so it's a win/win for both fanbases.

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 11:56 AM
Kietzman is the one trying to start a protest of the Mizzou BOR meeting. THAT is a bunch of KSU and KU pussies acting like victims.

Oh wow is this true? :LOL:

Reerun_KC
10-20-2011, 11:57 AM
I wish KU would get an invite from the SEC...

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 11:58 AM
Dude, Jack Harry is as biased as they come. I don't know why you're focusing on the re-alignment issues, he's been doing his thing for many, many years. It's a well known fact that he's a huge MU fan and hates Kansas with a passion. He makes a complete fool of himself so it's a win/win for both fanbases.

You're right:

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Pants
10-20-2011, 11:58 AM
Missouri is moving on to a tougher conference and other people are telling us we shouldn't because"omgz it will be hard" but yea...we have the victim mentality.

Nothing says victim mentality by taking actions to remove yourself from a situation you are not a fan of.

Did you read my post when you wrote that?

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 11:59 AM
I wish KU would get an invite from the SEC...

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Frazod
10-20-2011, 12:00 PM
And yet I'm not acting like a victim.

More like a jilted ex than anything else.

Bearcat
10-20-2011, 12:01 PM
practically you are talking about 4 more games, more practices, more travel, more missed class, instead of 1 game and the associated practice and travel. it IS a big difference.

And you know the bowl sponsors want their money still.

Eh, basketball does it from November through the first week of April, and well, you know what they say about that sport...

I've always liked the idea of an 8-team playoff (or a plus one or 4 teams... something), because it seems like there's usually a significant drop off around that point... that's only two extra games on top of the NC game for the two teams that make it that far.

Reerun_KC
10-20-2011, 12:02 PM
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You red boxed me?

Pants
10-20-2011, 12:02 PM
You're right:

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I realize you don't live in KC so you have no idea what you're talking about, but trust me, Jack Harry is to MU what Keitzman is to KSU except taken up a couple notches.

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 12:02 PM
More like a jilted ex than anything else.


I was starting to get worried that we'd have a day without the analogies.

I'm excited for "MU to SEC" thread. Saul Good is going to blow a gasket.

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 12:03 PM
You red boxed me?


lol. One time it showed up, on the next refresh, it disappeared. We'll just call it a double fail and move on.

Pants
10-20-2011, 12:05 PM
I was starting to get worried that we'd have a day without the analogies.

I'm excited for "MU to SEC" thread. Saul Good is going to blow a gasket.

Whatever I say about any of this, frazod will say I'm acting like a jilted ex. I understand why one might expect that from a rival fan. I don't blame him, because I would be thinking the exact same thing if the situations were reversed.

Reerun_KC
10-20-2011, 12:06 PM
This is like watching a JR girls fight...

Reerun_KC
10-20-2011, 12:06 PM
lol. One time it showed up, on the next refresh, it disappeared. We'll just call it a double fail and move on.

No worries. I was thinking does the 3 red box mean I am out?

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 12:07 PM
I realize you don't live in KC so you have no idea what you're talking about, but trust me, Jack Harry is to MU what Keitzman is to KSU except taken up a couple notches.

I lived in KC for almost 20 years; Harry was there through all of it. And yeah, I listen to him on the radio quite a bit.

Harry is just a contrarian talking head. He'll slam on Mizzou just as often as he slams on KU, you fellas just get a little touchy when he does it.

He blasts everybody because its good for his ratings. He'd be wailing on Mizzou right now if Keitzman was backing them. He's your standard contrarian.

Reerun_KC
10-20-2011, 12:08 PM
My KSU Daddy Keitzman can beat up your MU Daddy Harry...

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 12:09 PM
Whatever I say about any of this, frazod will say I'm acting like a jilted ex. I understand why one might expect that from a rival fan.


It's like trying to explain algebra....wait, I'm not a math major.....spanish to my kids. They listen for a few seconds, then start staring out into space. When they finally look back at me, they want to talk about video games and I have to start all over. It's like beating your head against the wall.

I'm sure MU fans feel the same way about us though.



**Triple points for using 2 analogies in the same post**

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 12:10 PM
I realize you don't live in KC so you have no idea what you're talking about, but trust me, Jack Harry is to MU what Keitzman is to KSU except taken up a couple notches.

And for the record, I don't generally feel like KK comes across as a K-State guy. I'm not one of those 'oh you're biased' whiners that's always killing some radio personality. KK is something of a shit disturber, but he's usually pretty evenhanded.

But here, KK's purple is showing and showing badly. That or he's just grinding an axe due to the way the B1G thing went down last year. But for a guy that I generally don't sense a lot of bias from, KK has been an absolute crybaby prick about this whole thing. He's mis-characterized and flat out fabricated shit for the last 6 weeks. Mizzou fans are absolutely justified in taking some shots at him at this point as he's been an absolute caricature.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 12:10 PM
I was starting to get worried that we'd have a day without the analogies.

I'm excited for "MU to SEC" thread. Saul Good is going to blow a gasket.

You're perfectly welcome to avoid this thread until the Big XII announces that it has added a city school. Until then, realignment doesn't really involve KU.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 12:11 PM
That would be make-believe, Chief.

Especially since you just claimed that you haven't listened to KK in a year and that's the only show he plays an active role on (and is often critical of the school).

Go ahead and tip-toe away from this one, you're showing your ass right now.

Harry is on tv with a segment called Jack smack. Maybe you've heard of it...

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/subindex/sports/jacks_smack

As far as being critical of the school, from what I hear, KK is often crtical of KSU.

Pants
10-20-2011, 12:13 PM
He's mis-characterized and flat out fabricated shit for the last 10 years. KU fans are absolutely justified in taking some shots at him at this point as he's been an absolute caricature.

Oh look what I did there. This can be said about Jack Harry, too!

KK is infamous for fabricating shit, I'm not surprised this is news to you, though, because you really do seem to be rather uninformed on the whole KC sports radio scene (which is not a negative, BTW). They're both huge trolls.

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 12:13 PM
You're perfectly welcome to avoid this thread until the Big XII announces that it has added a city school. Until then, realignment doesn't really involve KU.

Jesus man. Relax a little bit...try to actually enjoy moving to the SEC instead of feeling like you have to better than everyone. You've let this thread & move to the SEC get to you to much.

Pants
10-20-2011, 12:15 PM
You did have a good point, Plow.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 12:16 PM
Harry is on tv with a segment called Jack smack. Maybe you've heard of it...

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/subindex/sports/jacks_smack

As far as being critical of the school, from what I hear, KK is often crtical of KSU.

Ah yes, his 2 minute snippets every couple of days where he rants about something to drive ratings. On balance, that's what, 30 minutes of airtime a month? It's limited, it's scripted, its rehearsed and its designed to generate ratings, nothing more.

Meanwhile he's on the radio all the time with KK and its generally an hour or more of unscripted conversation. As is his custom, he is usually playing some sort of devil's advocate to KK. When KU is playing well and KK is giving them credit for it, it's his role to argue back with KK about something.

He's not a homer, he's just a guy that gets paid to argue. He's the Skip Bayless of the KC sports scene.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Ah yes, his 2 minute snippets every couple of days where he rants about something to drive ratings. On balance, that's what, 30 minutes of airtime a month? It's limited, it's scripted, its rehearsed and its designed to generate ratings, nothing more.

Meanwhile he's on the radio all the time with KK and its generally an hour or more of unscripted conversation. As is his custom, he is usually playing some sort of devil's advocate to KK. When KU is playing well and KK is giving them credit for it, it's his role to argue back with KK about something.

He's not a homer, he's just a guy that gets paid to argue. He's the just like Kietzman (and Whitlock, etc).

fyp. How does KK get you all to listen to him? Troll you, so you all come running back and posting online what he had the gall to say.

Saulbadguy
10-20-2011, 12:24 PM
You guys are all kinda dumbasses.

Reerun_KC
10-20-2011, 12:26 PM
You guys are all kinda dumbasses.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQk_daGySuiLxka2vWmE-G5ap00MM_AJ6ZPnFeHetrgdv6HD8KDGv7Iyi1v1A

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 12:29 PM
fyp. How does KK get you all to listen to him? Troll you, so you all come running back and posting online what he had the gall to say.

Because my alternative is silence (not a fan) or Nick Wright (uber douche).

Like I said - I don't generally find KK objectionable. I disagree with him fairly frequently, but that doesn't make him useless. On this particular front, however, he's being a sobbing jackass and the more he tries to claim he isn't, the more obvious it becomes.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 12:31 PM
fyp. How does KK get you all to listen to him? Troll you, so you all come running back and posting online what he had the gall to say.

I've really got no problem with Kietzman. He's a dipshit, but he's entertaining. The alternative is Nick Wright who is not entertaining. Generally, Kietzman's not this far gone. In this instance, I just enjoy the schaadenfreude.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 01:04 PM
Another well-reasoned article from Clay Travis. I'm beginning to really like his work. He actually uses logic and history instead of female PMS emotion to make his points.

http://outkickthecoverage.com/why-missouri-and-texas-am-football-will-thrive-in-the-sec.php


Why Missouri and Texas A&M Football Will Thrive In the SEC



Published on: October 20, 2011 | Written by: Clay Travis

As we near Missouri's invite to become the SEC's 14th -- a likelihood first reported by this site back in early September (http://outkickthecoverage.com/missouri-in-play-as-secs-14th.php)-- one of the most consistent tropes in the anti-Missouri and anti-Texas A&M to the SEC argument is that Texas A&M and Missouri can't compete in football. I think that argument is completely wrong. Now, if you're arguing that Missouri and Texas A&M won't win many SEC titles, that may well be true. After all, in an SEC championship game era that now spans nearly twenty years three schools have never been to the SEC title game: Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Ole Miss and three more schools have never won a title: Arkansas, Mississippi State, and South Carolina. (Arkansas has been three times while the other two schools have each been once).


Six schools have won titles, the so-called traditional powers of SEC football: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Tennessee, have won all 19 of the SEC titles and comprise 33 of the 38 total appearances.


If you look at this grouping you'd say that Missouri football has more in common with Arkansas, Mississippi State, and South Carolina than it does the traditional powers. I'd argue that with the benefit of being in the SEC, A&M will have more in common with the six traditional powers, but that remains to be seen. Regardless, lazy analysts and media critical of Missouri and Texas A&M's move to the SEC are saying that neither school will be able to compete in football. (To be fair you hear this more about Missouri than Texas A&M, but you definitely hear it a ton about both).


Generally that argument focuses on how dominant the SEC has been over the BCS era, snagging 7 titles in 7 title game appearances while also winning the past five consecutive titles. The only traditional power that has not won a national title since 1998 is Georgia and that's primarily because LSU got to beat Ohio State in 2007 instead of Georgia.


The Pax SECana era during which the conference has won five consecutive national titles has clearly been characterized by national dominance at the top of the conference. But the rising tide of SEC football dominance has actually lifted all programs during this period. Those of us who paid attention to the conference could see this coming when the SEC added a national television package second only to the NFL. (The Florida Gators appeared on national television more times during the Tim Tebow era than any NFL team did). The conference's brand has become a desirable location from top to bottom. Recruits want to play in the SEC because the SEC has the best football in the country. The more top players who come to the conference, the better the conference gets. It's a cycle of dominance that replenishes itself anew every February. And every single program is benefiting.


As the equally distributed revenue has flowed into individual team coffers, just about everyone has taken their program to new heights relative to past program success. (The only real exception to this is Tennessee, which has floundered since firing Phil Fulmer and hiring Lane Kiffin). The Pax SECana ear, or ManifeSECt Destiny if you prefer, has seen the conference take over the nation. The SEC brand is second only to the NFL when it comes to football. Again, that dominance at the top has been duly noted, but the growth of the other programs has been mostly overlooked.


That is, even the programs that are beneath the national radar have stepped up their games. Indeed, one of the lazy rationales trotted out is that the SEC is a top-heavy league and no one can compete if they're outside the top half of the conference. Compete for consistent conference championships? Perhaps. (Although does anyone doubt that Missouri could have competed this year for the SEC East title?) But outkick the historical accomplishments of their past programs? Virtually every SEC school is doing that right now.


Let's consider the "bottom" six's performance since Florida won the SEC's first of five BCS national titles in 2006.

1. Arkansas
Bobby Petrino has taken the Razorbacks to heights unseen in the program's modern era. The Razorbacks look likely to follow up last year's 10-3 BCS bowl appearance record with a 10-2 regular season and another top bowl game. Whether Bobby Petrino can ever beat Nick Saban remains to be seen -- so far Saban owns Petrino's offense -- but the Razorbacks are far from floundering in this modern era.


Indeed, the Razorbacks were in Atlanta as recently as 2006 and were poised to spring an upset until their punt returner decided to field a punt that was over his head while running full speed backwards at his own two yard line. The resulting fumble led to a touchdown and the Gators were off to Arizona where they walloped Ohio State to begin the SEC's reign of dominance.


If you had to pick one of the "bottom" six that's most likely to win a national title, it would be Arkansas. In fact, prior to the Knile Davis injury the Razorbacks were a trendy dark horse national title pick.

2. Kentucky
During the SEC's five consecutive national wins Kentucky had been to five straight bowl games, winning three of them. In the entire history of the program prior to 2006 the Wildcats had been to just ten bowl games.
Never in the program's history had Kentucky been to five straight bowl games.


The Wildcats also beat LSU in its 2007 national title season, a victory over a number one team that may be the biggest win in the program's history.
Joker Phillips' team is bad this year, but if the Cats fired Joker and hired Mike Leach, who has openly lobbied for the job, they could quickly return to program heights unseen. And, hell, as impossible as it is to believe, Kentucky could still get to 6-6 and go to a bowl game for a sixth straight season.

3. Mississippi State
The Bulldogs hold the ignominous distinction of being one of only two programs in the SEC -- the other is Vanderbilt -- to have an all-time losing record in football. They've also only won a single SEC title, in 1941.
But the Bulldogs won a New Year's Day bowl game last year for the first time since 1941 last season. The team they beat back then? Georgetown.
The Bulldogs beat Michigan 52-14 in what may be the program's biggest win since World War II.


So, yeah, it has been a long time for Mississippi State to be this nationally relevant again. While the Bulldogs may take a step back this season, if they beat Kentucky and Ole Miss they should be bowl eligible. As long as Dan Mullen is in Starkville the Bulldogs will be much better than they have been historically.

4. Vanderbilt
Vandy has their man in James Franklin. After Saturday's win over Army Franklin will be at 4-3 in conference, poised to make a run at a bowl game if his program can beat Kentucky and just one more team on the schedule. Already Franklin's 30-7 win over Ole Miss was the biggest SEC margin for the Commodores since 1972.


What's more in 2008 the Commodores notched their first bowl victory since 1955. That team's 7-6 record represented the most wins for a Commodore football team since 1982.


As the SEC has risen in football, so too has Vanderbilt's performance.

5. Ole Miss
Since the SEC added a title game in 1992, Ole Miss is 8-1 in bowl games.
I know they've been awful the past year and change, but prior to that Ole Miss won back-to-back Cotton Bowl games in 2009 and 2010.


Those were the biggest bowl wins -- and best seasons -- for Ole Miss since 1970.

6. South Carolina
The Gamecocks won the SEC East last season to advance to Atlanta for the first time in program history.


While Marcus Lattimore was just knocked out for the season, the Gamecocks are presently in first place in the SEC East at 4-1 and would advance to Atlanta for a second consecutive season if they could beat Tennessee, Arkansas, and Florida.


Once a perennial laughing stock program, the Gamecocks have now asserted themselves as a legitimate threat to contend for the SEC East division crown. And maybe, who knows, something more someday. The Gamecocks have the second best chance of any program in the "bottom" six to win a national title -- or BCS game -- someday.


...


Now, a couple of caveats, yes, it's easier to make a bowl game today because there are now 12 regular season games and because there are more bowls to go to, but the fact remains, each of these programs has advanced to new program heights even as the top of the conference has risen to unseen heights. Five consecutive national titles has, amazingly, helped the bottom half of the SEC as much as it has helped the top half.
It's a cliche, but a rising tide really is lifting all SEC boats to heights of program prominence not seen before.


Can the SEC make Missouri and Texas A&M national title contenders? Not consistently. But can the SEC take Missouri and Texas A&M to heights heretofore unseen by their football programs? The evidence suggests that contrary to what the doubters would say, the answer is yes.

evenfall
10-20-2011, 01:25 PM
Nice article. Good to see some facts applied to that argument.

Bambi
10-20-2011, 01:27 PM
If MU has Jack Harry and KSU has Kietzman who does KU get? Nate Bukady??

duncan_idaho
10-20-2011, 01:33 PM
If MU has Jack Harry and KSU has Kietzman who does KU get? Nate Bukady??

Duh.

Bob Fescoe.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 02:04 PM
Nobody told Jordan Williams that Mizzou won't be able to recruit Texas anymore. The Texas OL just chose Mizzou today over Stanford, TCU, UCLA, and Boise among many others.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:04 PM
Duh.

Bob Fescoe.

Nah - Fescoe is his very own brand of dumbass.

He is light years beyond KK when it comes to being a homer. Bukaty and St. John are pretty fair comps to KK.

Fescoe...he's the fucking Baghdad Bob of talk radio. It doesn't matter what reality is, that guy has his very own version of it.

Bambi
10-20-2011, 02:05 PM
Duh.

Bob Fescoe.

Oh he's on 610 right?

I never listen to that station.

Way too KU friendly. Doesn't make me angry like 810 does.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 02:08 PM
I have no idea how Fescoe has a job. He isn't entertaining. He says stupid shit. His voice is terrible. The guy is absolutely worthless.

The funny thing is that the guy who fills in for him when he's out isn't bad.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:09 PM
Nobody told Jordan Williams that Mizzou won't be able to recruit Texas anymore. The Texas OL just chose Mizzou today over Stanford, TCU, UCLA, and Boise among many others.

Standard MU profile kid that we'll be able to keep getting.

He's a *** guy with some significant upside that appears to be getting quite a bit better. He's not a sexy pick like Boehm and I wish he was a little bit bigger, but size can come and he certainly appears to have the frame for it.

MU will continue to be able to find *** kids in Texas, while also opening up GA, FL, LA and other areas through the SEC. We won't suddenly go blowing it out with **** and ***** guys, but we tend to have bad luck with them anyway. We'll just have a ton of the *** kids that we're able to get the most out of.

I'm not worried.

vailpass
10-20-2011, 02:10 PM
Anything happen yet?

Jerm
10-20-2011, 02:19 PM
Oh Keitzman....what a pretentious douche.

He's "personally offended" by Mizzou's potential move and is going WAYYYYY overboard.

It's golden.

Jerm
10-20-2011, 02:19 PM
He's lumping himself in with Kim Mulkey now...hahaha.

vailpass
10-20-2011, 02:21 PM
I'm gonna' go get the papers. Get the papers.

vailpass
10-20-2011, 02:21 PM
I'm gonna' go get the papers.

Bambi
10-20-2011, 02:22 PM
That Baylor coach Kim Mulkey is 100% correct.

Dayze
10-20-2011, 02:22 PM
is this thread developing full-blown AIDS as well?

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:35 PM
That Baylor coach Kim Mulkey is 100% correct.

It's absolutely a fair statement.

But don't try for one minute to try to argue that there's nothing personal about it or that it doesn't arise from underlying bitterness.

Seeing as how analogies now rule the thread - she's saying she wouldn't sleep with her ex-husband had he shown up after a divorce and tried to nail her. Well as she was married to him, it's obvious she found that person physically and emotionally attractive enough to sleep with prior to the divorce or even the marriage.

The only reason she won't sleep with him now is because she's angry with him over the divorce.

And that's fine. It's completely understandable and I get it. But for KU fans to make that argument then turn around and say "We don't care if you leave" is just raw bullshit. You guys absolutely care - its that underlying anger that keeps you from continuing the KU/MU game. If you didn't care, her analogy would mean nothing to you.

Keitzman came clean today - it's bitterness. His arguments against the tournament, the rivalry games, etc... they all arise from underlying bitterness at MU leaving. He makes that completely obvious when he sites the 'jilted ex-wife' argument as completely demonstrative of his point and better stated.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 02:36 PM
is this thread developing full-blown AIDS as well?

feline aids.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://fohn.net/tiger-pictures-facts/tiger-regal.jpg&sa=X&ei=NHigTtPmD4bEsQKWhYWTBQ&ved=0CA8Q8wc&usg=AFQjCNGPYFFF9vNO4-EQsMbB5CS0qV95bA

Pants
10-20-2011, 02:38 PM
Why do MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? If I was an MU fan I wouldn't really give a fuck whether KU fan was angry or whether he didn't care.

But maybe I'm just different from other people.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 02:38 PM
That Baylor coach Kim Mulkey is 100% correct.

Correct about a marriage, just a gushing vag when it comes to business decisions.

I don't give a shit if we never play again. KU needs the game more than Mizzou. We'll have to expand our stadium because 71,000 seats won't be enough. KU's most valuable game is the Border War at Arrowhead. There will be no compelling matchups on their schedule. Hell, they can't fill a 50,000 seat stadium when Oklahoma comes to town.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:41 PM
Why do MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? If I was an MU fan I wouldn't really give a fuck whether KU fan was angry or whether he didn't care.

But maybe I'm just different from other people.

Have you read the thread?

We really don't. Or at least I don't. Just like I don't believe Nebraska fans gave a shit about the rest of the IIX fans when they left.

But I'm really damn tired of listening to KK trying to claim objectivity here and then hide behind that 'objectivity' to cloak himself in credibility and blast the University of Missouri. He's not objective, not at all. And if he'd just admit that when he's launching shot across MU's bow, I wouldn't care. But for him to try to claim to be an objective journalist and then absolutely blister Mizzou to a massive audience is completely unacceptable to me.

(And there he goes again "I have no dog in this race, blah blah blah")

And Wickedson, well he's just a yammering douche and it's appropriate to point out when he's being a yammering douche that can't keep his argument straight.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 02:42 PM
Kietzman keeps talking about $X million per year lost because of the loss of the Big XII tournament. Last time I checked, it wasn't in KC every year to begin with.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 02:43 PM
Amazingly detailed interview with A&M President Loftin on the inner workings of realignment. It is impossible for anyone to come away from reading this and still think Mizzou started this.

A few interesting nuggets:

- Rumors of UT talking to PAC as early as Fall 2009
- UT was ready to bring it and five other Big 12 schools to the PAC
- Larry Scott actively called A&M on his own in April 2010 to sway them to come to the PAC
- Four Big 12 schools refused to say they were committed to the Big 12 in June 2010
- UT did not even tell the PAC they were starting their own network before Larry Scott had draft invitation letters for the schools

http://www.12thmanfoundation.com/membership/12th-man-magazine/featured-article.aspx

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-20-2011, 02:45 PM
Why do you guys keep listening?

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 02:46 PM
I love Kietzman's idea for the tournament in Wichita. Lots to do in that town. That sure beats P&L.

Pants
10-20-2011, 02:48 PM
Have you read the thread?



KK is a troll, who cares what he says? LOL

And yeah, I've read the thread, I see you and a bunch of other MU fans trying to prove how much the KU fans care about MU leaving (be it jealousy or bitterness or what have you).

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:48 PM
Kietzman keeps talking about $X million per year lost because of the loss of the Big XII tournament. Last time I checked, it wasn't in KC every year to begin with.

$20 million/yr.

He is ignoring the massive amount of revenue that will come from the loads of SEC fans hauling themselves to Columbia off-setting part of that.

More critically, he's just ignoring economic reality. The economics of one-shot athletic events are notoriously sketchy. He's claiming that the $20 million that doesn't go into Missouri because of the loss of the IIX tournament will now be gone from Missouri altogether. He just completely ignores that sporting events are fungible luxury goods. Most of the people that would have come to that event were local (as he admitted when he said that 1/2 the crowd was an MU crowd that now won't come). Those same people will simply reallocate their entertainment dollars to the Royals or Chiefs, etc...

The panic over these kinds of losses has proven to be unfounded in the past by numerous economic studies. Most places that have lost events like this have felt it to some degree, but ultimately it's been off-set through other businesses. It may impact an individual business here and there, but the impact it will have on Kansas City is nominal (and the impact it has on Missouri is simply non-existent).

It's just Kietzman trying to drum up more irritability in the area. Grind grind grind that axe, Kevin.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 02:48 PM
Why do you guys keep listening?

His tears taste like candy.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 02:48 PM
Correct about a marriage, just a gushing vag when it comes to business decisions.

I don't give a shit if we never play again. KU needs the game more than Mizzou. We'll have to expand our stadium because 71,000 seats won't be enough. KU's most valuable game is the Border War at Arrowhead. There will be no compelling matchups on their schedule. Hell, they can't fill a 50,000 seat stadium when Oklahoma comes to town.

how are tickets selling for Saturday?

Pants
10-20-2011, 02:50 PM
$20 million/yr.

He is ignoring the massive amount of revenue that will come from the loads of SEC fans hauling themselves to Columbia off-setting part of that.

More critically, he's just ignoring economic reality. The economics of one-shot athletic events are notoriously sketchy. He's claiming that the $20 million that doesn't go into Missouri because of the loss of the IIX tournament will now be gone from Missouri altogether. He just completely ignores that sporting events are fungible luxury goods. Most of the people that would have come to that event were local (as he admitted when he said that 1/2 the crowd was an MU crowd that now won't come). Those same people will simply reallocate their entertainment dollars to the Royals or Chiefs, etc...

The panic over these kinds of losses has proven to be unfounded in the past by numerous economic studies. Most places that have lost events like this have felt it to some degree, but ultimately it's been off-set through other businesses. It may impact an individual business here and there, but the impact it will have on Kansas City is nominal (and the impact it has on Missouri is simply non-existent).

It's just Kietzman trying to drum up more irritability in the area. Grind grind grind that axe, Kevin.

Dude, it's not a question in anyone's mind (the rational ones, anyway) that it's a good move for MU at this point.

There's really no reason for you to justify the move to rival fans to begin with.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 02:50 PM
how are tickets selling for Saturday?

Expecting close to 70,000. When's the last time that many came to watch the fightin snyders?

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:50 PM
KK is a troll, who cares what he says? LOL

And yeah, I've read the thread, I see you and a bunch of other MU fans trying to prove how much the KU fans care about MU leaving (be it jealousy or bitterness or what have you).

Present it.

Where have I tried to 'prove' anything, except in response to you fellas making sure to take a shot at Mizzou?

I'm going to continue to defend Mizzou and their decision. And yeah, when you guys can't present a reasoned argument in response to anything, I'm going to point out that your carping comes from little more than sour grapes.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 02:52 PM
I did a little digging, and it turns out that The University of Missouri was not established with the expressed purpose of enriching bar owners in Kansas City. I found that interesting.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 02:54 PM
I heard Mizzou going to the SEC caused the housing market to plummet.

Pants
10-20-2011, 02:55 PM
Present it.

#5922

Where have I tried to 'prove' anything, except in response to you fellas making sure to take a shot at Mizzou?

I'm going to continue to defend Mizzou and their decision. And yeah, when you guys can't present a reasoned argument in response to anything, I'm going to point out that your carping comes from little more than sour grapes.

Who is this "you guys"? KU fans are not Kevin Keitzman, man. Stewie and HHG are just two KU fans if that's who you're talking about.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 02:55 PM
Expecting close to 70,000. When's the last time that many came to watch the fightin snyders?

Really? Last I read about 5,000 tickets were still left. What's the excuse today....the long drive to Manhattan isn't available.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:55 PM
Dude, it's not a question in anyone's mind (the rational ones, anyway) that it's a good move for MU at this point.

There's really no reason for you to justify the move to rival fans to begin with.

I'm not referring to MU, but Missouri.

Folks are trying to call out Jay Nixon of all people at this point, saying that he's just hurt his state, and that's simply inaccurate.

As is most of this tripe.

Missouri fans do not care about the IIX tournament. They do not care about the IIX in general. I personally would like to continue playing KU but that's only because I have family members that are affiliated with both sides. Ultimately, I understand if KU doesn't and I'll live with it.

There is just straw man after straw man here and it's getting really annoying. I don't see the 'consensus' position of MU and its fans being terribly nebulous here and I think DN has summed it up well a couple of times:

"Dueces"

You guys are free to continue doing whatever it is you want to do as Universities and fan bases, but spare me the shots across MU's bow. Spare me the misinformation and claims that there's nothing personal to any of it. Its absolutely personal (and in probably should be).

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 02:57 PM
Really? Last I read about 5,000 tickets were still left. What's the excuse today....the long drive to Manhattan isn't available.

That would be 66,000 people, peckerhead.

Or 'approaching 70,000'.

And as I've explained to you several times, GA seats almost always sell out on game day. We'll be very close to 70,000 before all is said and done and will likely outdistance any crowd you fellas play in front of this year, home or away.

I don't know why you continue this argument - you have absolutely no grounds for anything here.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 02:57 PM
Really? Last I read about 5,000 tickets were still left. What's the excuse today....the long drive to Manhattan isn't available.

Did you hear that on Tigerboard? I see you are spending quite a bit of time there.

HemiEd
10-20-2011, 02:57 PM
Ok, I have been traveling for a week. Please help me here, are they gone yet?

Pants
10-20-2011, 02:59 PM
I'm not referring to MU, but Missouri.

Folks are trying to call out Jay Nixon of all people at this point, saying that he's just hurt his state, and that's simply inaccurate.

As is most of this tripe.

Missouri fans do not care about the IIX tournament. They do not care about the IIX in general. I personally would like to continue playing KU but that's only because I have family members that are affiliated with both sides. Ultimately, I understand if KU doesn't and I'll live with it.

There is just straw man after straw man here and it's getting really annoying. I don't see the 'consensus' position of MU and its fans being terribly nebulous here and I think DN has summed it up well a couple of times:

"Dueces"

You guys are free to continue doing whatever it is you want to do as Universities and fan bases, but spare me the shots across MU's bow. Spare me the misinformation and claims that there's nothing personal to any of it. Its absolutely personal (and in probably should be).

I'm sure it's personal for Kevin Keitzman and some KU fans on this board, sure.

And I agree with "deuces" man, except I've been saying "good luck, have fun."

I'm also here to remind you guys that you're an absolute beast of a mediocre program without any championships. That's just my job as a rival fan, though.

Saul Good
10-20-2011, 03:00 PM
how are tickets selling for Saturday?

It was down to single seats available, then OSU turned in a bunch of tickets that they couldn't sell, so there are seats available. Supposedx to be nice weather, so there should be good walk-up traffic.

All told, probably about 70K will be in attendance.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 03:00 PM
#5922



Who is this "you guys"? KU fans are not Kevin Keitzman, man. Stewie and HHG are just two KU fans if that's who you're talking about.

I believe that would be the "In response to wickedson's douchery" I referenced.

"You fellas" being the collective group of K-State and KU fans that are just fallling over themselves to take cracks at MU.

ChiefsCountry
10-20-2011, 03:01 PM
I'm going to Columbia this weekend but screw buying a ticket to sit on the grass hill. Thats what we did in high school or as an undergrad then head over to the student section. Not worth it now IMO.

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 03:08 PM
Ok, I have been traveling for a week. Please help me here, are they gone yet?


No. KU still jealous. MU still superior, but they don't act like it so nobody is sure where that idea comes from.

Frazod
10-20-2011, 03:09 PM
Ok, I have been traveling for a week. Please help me here, are they gone yet?

The deal is done!
To the 'ship!
Nick Saban bought a house in Olathe.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 03:10 PM
No. KU still jealous. MU still superior, but they don't act like it so nobody is sure where that idea comes from.

Must be the same place where MU fans are getting the idea that K-State and KU fans are a bunch being a bunch of crybaby bitches over the whole thing.

But that's okay - stiff upper lip and all that jazz. Fight the good fight, Beakers.

HemiEd
10-20-2011, 03:14 PM
No. KU still jealous. MU still superior, but they don't act like it so nobody is sure where that idea comes from.

Cool, so nothing has changed :D

The deal is done!
To the 'ship!
Nick Saban bought a house in Olathe.

LMAO ROFL, let me know when he visits the Columbia Country Club. :D

beer bacon
10-20-2011, 03:15 PM
Really? Last I read about 5,000 tickets were still left. What's the excuse today....the long drive to Manhattan isn't available.

I have heard less than 2,000 available. That was a day ago. What is Ecocat's Stadium capacity again?

DeezNutz
10-20-2011, 03:18 PM
Welp. I've changed my mind. I think it would absolutely be the wrong thing for Mizzou to leave. KK has helped me see the light, and for this I am grateful.

duncan_idaho
10-20-2011, 03:22 PM
Really? Last I read about 5,000 tickets were still left. What's the excuse today....the long drive to Manhattan isn't available.

Expecting high 60s - 67k to 68k - would mean that basically all tickets except hill seats are sold out.

I just did a quick count of available seated tickets at MUTigers.com. There are 979 available seated tickets. 454 of those are in visitor sections.

The rest of the availability is in the hill. There's no way to track GA (hill seat) tickets, but I know there are about 4500 tickets in that grouping (actual seats is something like 66,500).

I've long thought listing those GA tickets as part of official capacity was retarded.

I always think "attendance smack" is funny from KU/KSU folks. We seat almost 20k more than you and have 12-15k more at each game, based on average attendance. Not much room to talk there, IMO.

beer bacon
10-20-2011, 03:23 PM
Here is a West Virginian encouraging their fans to e-mail MU curators to stay in the Big 12.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=8122378

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 03:24 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Esopauski//pwpimages/.__400_401_Big-12-logo%281%29.jpg

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 03:38 PM
Eye opening.

http://www.12thmanfoundation.com/membership/12th-man-magazine/featured-article.aspx

Movers and Shakers (Part 1 of 2)

In a wide-ranging Q&A session, R. Bowen Loftin divulges how Texas A&M arrived at its 100-year decision to move to the SEC

Editor’s note: Texas A&M University president R. Bowen Loftin sat down with 12th Man Magazine’s Homer Jacobs and Rusty Burson for an exclusive interview concerning A&M’s exit from the Big 12 and move to the Southeastern Conference:

Q: In the summer of 2010, there was plenty of conference realignment talk. What brought everything back up in 2011?

Loftin: Let me take you back to June of 2009. I was interim president and within a few days of that time, I attended my first Big 12 board meeting in Dallas. Even though the presidents who were there were obviously civil and got along pretty well, it was clear there was some degree of difficulty within the conference then in terms of relationships. I call it the haves and have-nots. It was very clear which schools had money, and we were sort of in the middle of that pack. That’s where I first began to have some degree (of concern) on where the stance of the conference was. In the fall of 2009, we began to hear rumors about UT meeting and talking with the Pac-10. I was actually in Austin in December 2009 meeting with (University of Texas president) Bill Powers. At that point, I had asked everyone but him to leave the room so we could talk privately. I asked him if there was any conversation between him and the Pac-10 and his answer basically was, “I can’t talk about that.” The next month, he was in College Station, and we met in my office. I had the same question, and he gave me the same answer.

Go forward to the April (2010) timeframe…I got a call from (Pac-10 commissioner) Larry Scott indicating he wanted to come see me. Scott shows up here, and we have a meeting. Basically they had been working for months, and he had schedules of not just football but, basketball, soccer and baseball, and they had been working hard on this thing. He did a presentation for us on here’s how we are going to do this. I obviously began discussing this privately with the Board of Regents, and the basic direction I got from them was, “Look, we’ll probably get an offer from the Pac-10 to go join them along with five other schools in the Big 12.” The chairman of the board said to me, “One option is no option. You better figure out what things A&M could do besides follow Texas and other schools to the Pac-10.”

Q: Were you dumbfounded by this development?

Loftin: No, I had heard rumors. Powers wasn’t talking to me; I heard rumors and was not completely surprised. After I had this conversation with the board, I made a phone call to (SEC commissioner) Mike Slive and said, “Mike we need to talk.” Ultimately, he came here to see me, and we had a discussion about the SEC as a possible home for Texas A&M. That was late April to early May of 2010. We had a lot of other discussions going on by the time, and we had a clear sense the Pac-10 wanted to do this.

Q: Did you feel uncomfortable that Texas was trying to persuade A&M to tag along with it to the Pac-10?

Loftin: Clearly we weren’t driving the train. We were passengers at best, and that was a concern. You don’t want to have your destiny usurped by someone else. We slowed things down, and there was political pressure to not allow the Big 12 to dissolve. As we got to the early June meeting of the Big 12 board in Kansas City, (Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe) had all the presidents, chancellors and all the athletic directors in one room. There were 24 of us there, plus Beebe and a few of his staff. Beebe polled the board and said he wanted us to declare whether we were committed to the Big 12 or not.
Three schools didn’t commit at that point, and the answer I gave was different from everyone else’s. I said that A&M was committed to the Big 12 as it is today. I chose those words very carefully. Since then, I have been accused of being a liar because I committed based on a 12-team conference as it was structured in June 2010. I said my words very carefully because I was not going to set myself into a situation where the conference was radically changed and we would be committed to being in a conference we didn’t really want to be a part of.

Q: What was the tipping point to possibly leaving the Big 12?

Loftin: We went to a meeting, and it was very clear there were three schools that were looking at leaving. There were six other schools that were looking at going to the Pac-10. Over that next week, we felt the pressure building heavily. Then Larry Scott took a private jet and made his rounds to all the six schools. He went to Oklahoma first, then Oklahoma State, and then he came to see me, then to Texas Tech, and was headed back down to Texas. We were at a Sunday meeting at Easterwood Airport. Scott had a draft letter of invitation for me to see. In the conversation I said, “You are aware now that UT wants to retain its local rights to be able to have (its) own network.” Larry said that couldn’t happen. He said he made it clear to President Powers that would not be allowed. I said, “Well, I think there is a misunderstanding here.” I think that was a third factor in the following days for UT not to proceed. I wasn’t there; I can’t prove it, but I think they had a strong conversation.

Q: You pointed that out to Commissioner Scott?

Loftin: Yes. I said, “Larry, you told us what the rules are and we understand that. I am hearing from UT a different story right now, and you better explore that with them.” They did, so I think that was part of the equation. We slowed things down, there’s a little (political) pressure, and then this (Longhorn) network thing came about. Unfortunately, Bill (Byrne) was in Idaho that weekend, and the next day we couldn’t communicate well. I finally reached Beebe, and he had five secured letters from other schools that would guarantee a $20 million payout for us, UT and OU if we stayed in the Big 12. That’s where we were that Monday afternoon, and then UT announced they were not going to leave and it all kind of fell apart then.

Q: Did you always feel the SEC was a viable option for A&M?

Loftin: In June of 2010 after we made the decision to stay in the Big 12, the first conversation I had was with Mike Slive. We were talking about maybe going to the SEC at that point, so I owed that to Mike and said, “Mike, this is the direction we are going right now, and I want you to know that I really appreciate the interaction we have had over the last several months.” We talked a couple times in the fall of 2010, then I ran into him physically at the Cotton Bowl and we just had a social conversation. I always had a sense that the doorway there was not closed to us and we could certainly come back and talk about this in the future.

Q: Let’s fast forward. When the SEC presidents and chancellors met on a Sunday in August of 2011, no formal vote was taken to invite A&M into the conference. Yet the media perception was that A&M had been rejected. How frustrating was that?

Loftin: There were actually three meetings among the SEC (presidents), two face-to-face and one telephonically. That first meeting was informational, trying to get everyone on the same page. For the previous year, Mike Slive had put together a nice presentation on A&M in comparison to SEC schools. He showed in snap shots how Texas A&M looked in comparison to the SEC, such as our enrollment, budget for athletics, academic standards, and other things. He had 20 or 30 slides he put together from the summer of 2010. They had some new members on their board and chancellors, so he was educating them about that.

Again, I didn’t expect a decision to be made in that August meeting. It could have happened, but I didn’t necessarily expect it to. That was the frenzy the media had because they expected a decision, and that didn’t happen. There were some issues they raised with us. We met with Mike in New Orleans prior to that meeting with our Board of Regents and talked about some issues. After that, their lawyer was looking at the Big 12 bylaws and was as confused as we were about them. There were some things we had to look through from a legal perspective to give them some comfort for this to all take place. So, that’s where we were for our first meeting with SEC leadership.
Then fast forward, we sort of went through all of those things and resolved them. We had a sense that we could withdraw appropriately from the Big 12 in the bylaws, so I sent my letter in to the commissioner, saying we wanted to withdraw effective June 30, 2012 if we had a membership with another conference. This was identical to how Nebraska did it the year before. Beebe called me along with the chairman of their board and said, “We want you cleanly out, so let’s get this thing resolved. What do you need?” Basically they wrote a letter, which Beebe signed and that their lawyer prepared saying that we were free to go by following the process done by Nebraska that previous year.

Q: At that point, did you think everything was clear to move to the SEC?
Loftin: Yeah, we thought this was everything we needed to go forward. A second meeting among the SEC (presidents) was scheduled based on that. The Friday before that meeting is when (OU president) David Boren made his public comments about Oklahoma’s circumstances. Then the day of the meeting on Tuesday is when (Baylor president) Ken Starr made his phone calls and that threw things in disarray again. The (SEC) met and formally invited us, but they did so with the caveat of working through these legal issues that had been primarily raised by Starr, so that’s where we were after meeting two.

We worked some of these issues out with them over the next several days, and there was a third telephonic meeting that had occurred that Sunday before the Monday when we had our big event here. At that point, we had the statement from Larry Scott in the Pac-12 that they were not going to be inviting OU and OSU to join them, and that seemed to put that to bed. All we wanted to know at that point was if the Big 12 was going to survive or not. If they survive, then there is no harm done; if they fall apart, then there is nobody left to deal with. Either way this goes, we will give them a membership unconditionally in response to their request for membership. At that point, we were ready for it to happen so the (SEC) board then met that Sunday by telephone and unanimously voted us in with no conditions at all. We knew then we could celebrate Monday night (Sept. 26), and that was the end of that story.

Q: What were your conversations like with Baylor president Ken Starr?
Loftin: We only had one direct conversation about it. I pointed out to Mr. Starr that what he was doing was more destabilizing than what we were doing because he was trying to coerce a member to stay in the conference. A conference is something you are in because you want to be in it and not because you are forced to be in it. That’s my theory anyway. I likened it to the Berlin Wall in that conversation by saying, “You want to build a wall around people that want to get out, and that didn’t work out too well.” That was my comment to him. I wouldn’t say it was a shouting match, but it was a tense conversation. Since that time, I’ve been in collective telephonic conversations with him but not individually yet.

duncan_idaho
10-20-2011, 03:41 PM
Eye opening.

http://www.12thmanfoundation.com/membership/12th-man-magazine/featured-article.aspx

Movers and Shakers (Part 1 of 2)

In a wide-ranging Q&A session, R. Bowen Loftin divulges how Texas A&M arrived at its 100-year decision to move to the SEC

Editor’s note: Texas A&M University president R. Bowen Loftin sat down with 12th Man Magazine’s Homer Jacobs and Rusty Burson for an exclusive interview concerning A&M’s exit from the Big 12 and move to the Southeastern Conference:

Q: In the summer of 2010, there was plenty of conference realignment talk. What brought everything back up in 2011?

Loftin: Let me take you back to June of 2009. I was interim president and within a few days of that time, I attended my first Big 12 board meeting in Dallas. Even though the presidents who were there were obviously civil and got along pretty well, it was clear there was some degree of difficulty within the conference then in terms of relationships. I call it the haves and have-nots. It was very clear which schools had money, and we were sort of in the middle of that pack. That’s where I first began to have some degree (of concern) on where the stance of the conference was. In the fall of 2009, we began to hear rumors about UT meeting and talking with the Pac-10. I was actually in Austin in December 2009 meeting with (University of Texas president) Bill Powers. At that point, I had asked everyone but him to leave the room so we could talk privately. I asked him if there was any conversation between him and the Pac-10 and his answer basically was, “I can’t talk about that.” The next month, he was in College Station, and we met in my office. I had the same question, and he gave me the same answer.

Go forward to the April (2010) timeframe…I got a call from (Pac-10 commissioner) Larry Scott indicating he wanted to come see me. Scott shows up here, and we have a meeting. Basically they had been working for months, and he had schedules of not just football but, basketball, soccer and baseball, and they had been working hard on this thing. He did a presentation for us on here’s how we are going to do this. I obviously began discussing this privately with the Board of Regents, and the basic direction I got from them was, “Look, we’ll probably get an offer from the Pac-10 to go join them along with five other schools in the Big 12.” The chairman of the board said to me, “One option is no option. You better figure out what things A&M could do besides follow Texas and other schools to the Pac-10.”

Q: Were you dumbfounded by this development?

Loftin: No, I had heard rumors. Powers wasn’t talking to me; I heard rumors and was not completely surprised. After I had this conversation with the board, I made a phone call to (SEC commissioner) Mike Slive and said, “Mike we need to talk.” Ultimately, he came here to see me, and we had a discussion about the SEC as a possible home for Texas A&M. That was late April to early May of 2010. We had a lot of other discussions going on by the time, and we had a clear sense the Pac-10 wanted to do this.

Q: Did you feel uncomfortable that Texas was trying to persuade A&M to tag along with it to the Pac-10?

Loftin: Clearly we weren’t driving the train. We were passengers at best, and that was a concern. You don’t want to have your destiny usurped by someone else. We slowed things down, and there was political pressure to not allow the Big 12 to dissolve. As we got to the early June meeting of the Big 12 board in Kansas City, (Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe) had all the presidents, chancellors and all the athletic directors in one room. There were 24 of us there, plus Beebe and a few of his staff. Beebe polled the board and said he wanted us to declare whether we were committed to the Big 12 or not.
Three schools didn’t commit at that point, and the answer I gave was different from everyone else’s. I said that A&M was committed to the Big 12 as it is today. I chose those words very carefully. Since then, I have been accused of being a liar because I committed based on a 12-team conference as it was structured in June 2010. I said my words very carefully because I was not going to set myself into a situation where the conference was radically changed and we would be committed to being in a conference we didn’t really want to be a part of.

Q: What was the tipping point to possibly leaving the Big 12?

Loftin: We went to a meeting, and it was very clear there were three schools that were looking at leaving. There were six other schools that were looking at going to the Pac-10. Over that next week, we felt the pressure building heavily. Then Larry Scott took a private jet and made his rounds to all the six schools. He went to Oklahoma first, then Oklahoma State, and then he came to see me, then to Texas Tech, and was headed back down to Texas. We were at a Sunday meeting at Easterwood Airport. Scott had a draft letter of invitation for me to see. In the conversation I said, “You are aware now that UT wants to retain its local rights to be able to have (its) own network.” Larry said that couldn’t happen. He said he made it clear to President Powers that would not be allowed. I said, “Well, I think there is a misunderstanding here.” I think that was a third factor in the following days for UT not to proceed. I wasn’t there; I can’t prove it, but I think they had a strong conversation.

Q: You pointed that out to Commissioner Scott?

Loftin: Yes. I said, “Larry, you told us what the rules are and we understand that. I am hearing from UT a different story right now, and you better explore that with them.” They did, so I think that was part of the equation. We slowed things down, there’s a little (political) pressure, and then this (Longhorn) network thing came about. Unfortunately, Bill (Byrne) was in Idaho that weekend, and the next day we couldn’t communicate well. I finally reached Beebe, and he had five secured letters from other schools that would guarantee a $20 million payout for us, UT and OU if we stayed in the Big 12. That’s where we were that Monday afternoon, and then UT announced they were not going to leave and it all kind of fell apart then.

Q: Did you always feel the SEC was a viable option for A&M?

Loftin: In June of 2010 after we made the decision to stay in the Big 12, the first conversation I had was with Mike Slive. We were talking about maybe going to the SEC at that point, so I owed that to Mike and said, “Mike, this is the direction we are going right now, and I want you to know that I really appreciate the interaction we have had over the last several months.” We talked a couple times in the fall of 2010, then I ran into him physically at the Cotton Bowl and we just had a social conversation. I always had a sense that the doorway there was not closed to us and we could certainly come back and talk about this in the future.

Q: Let’s fast forward. When the SEC presidents and chancellors met on a Sunday in August of 2011, no formal vote was taken to invite A&M into the conference. Yet the media perception was that A&M had been rejected. How frustrating was that?

Loftin: There were actually three meetings among the SEC (presidents), two face-to-face and one telephonically. That first meeting was informational, trying to get everyone on the same page. For the previous year, Mike Slive had put together a nice presentation on A&M in comparison to SEC schools. He showed in snap shots how Texas A&M looked in comparison to the SEC, such as our enrollment, budget for athletics, academic standards, and other things. He had 20 or 30 slides he put together from the summer of 2010. They had some new members on their board and chancellors, so he was educating them about that.

Again, I didn’t expect a decision to be made in that August meeting. It could have happened, but I didn’t necessarily expect it to. That was the frenzy the media had because they expected a decision, and that didn’t happen. There were some issues they raised with us. We met with Mike in New Orleans prior to that meeting with our Board of Regents and talked about some issues. After that, their lawyer was looking at the Big 12 bylaws and was as confused as we were about them. There were some things we had to look through from a legal perspective to give them some comfort for this to all take place. So, that’s where we were for our first meeting with SEC leadership.
Then fast forward, we sort of went through all of those things and resolved them. We had a sense that we could withdraw appropriately from the Big 12 in the bylaws, so I sent my letter in to the commissioner, saying we wanted to withdraw effective June 30, 2012 if we had a membership with another conference. This was identical to how Nebraska did it the year before. Beebe called me along with the chairman of their board and said, “We want you cleanly out, so let’s get this thing resolved. What do you need?” Basically they wrote a letter, which Beebe signed and that their lawyer prepared saying that we were free to go by following the process done by Nebraska that previous year.

Q: At that point, did you think everything was clear to move to the SEC?
Loftin: Yeah, we thought this was everything we needed to go forward. A second meeting among the SEC (presidents) was scheduled based on that. The Friday before that meeting is when (OU president) David Boren made his public comments about Oklahoma’s circumstances. Then the day of the meeting on Tuesday is when (Baylor president) Ken Starr made his phone calls and that threw things in disarray again. The (SEC) met and formally invited us, but they did so with the caveat of working through these legal issues that had been primarily raised by Starr, so that’s where we were after meeting two.

We worked some of these issues out with them over the next several days, and there was a third telephonic meeting that had occurred that Sunday before the Monday when we had our big event here. At that point, we had the statement from Larry Scott in the Pac-12 that they were not going to be inviting OU and OSU to join them, and that seemed to put that to bed. All we wanted to know at that point was if the Big 12 was going to survive or not. If they survive, then there is no harm done; if they fall apart, then there is nobody left to deal with. Either way this goes, we will give them a membership unconditionally in response to their request for membership. At that point, we were ready for it to happen so the (SEC) board then met that Sunday by telephone and unanimously voted us in with no conditions at all. We knew then we could celebrate Monday night (Sept. 26), and that was the end of that story.

Q: What were your conversations like with Baylor president Ken Starr?
Loftin: We only had one direct conversation about it. I pointed out to Mr. Starr that what he was doing was more destabilizing than what we were doing because he was trying to coerce a member to stay in the conference. A conference is something you are in because you want to be in it and not because you are forced to be in it. That’s my theory anyway. I likened it to the Berlin Wall in that conversation by saying, “You want to build a wall around people that want to get out, and that didn’t work out too well.” That was my comment to him. I wouldn’t say it was a shouting match, but it was a tense conversation. Since that time, I’ve been in collective telephonic conversations with him but not individually yet.

BUT.... BUT... BUT... Missouri started all of this! It was THEM! IT's just not possible UT was looking around first!

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 03:59 PM
BUT.... BUT... BUT... Missouri started all of this! It was THEM! IT's just not possible UT was looking around first!

:LOL:

evenfall
10-20-2011, 04:01 PM
BUT.... BUT... BUT... Missouri started all of this! It was THEM! IT's just not possible UT was looking around first!

Texas is trustworthy. Texas has our best interest at heart. Where are they gonna go? The Big 12 is stable.

Bambi
10-20-2011, 04:02 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Esopauski//pwpimages/.__400_401_Big-12-logo%281%29.jpg

nice, some teams that have won some shit for a change.

Bearcat
10-20-2011, 04:03 PM
Why do MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? If I was an MU fan I wouldn't really give a **** whether KU fan was angry or whether he didn't care.

But maybe I'm just different from other people.

Why do you care if MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? :harumph:

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 04:06 PM
nice, some teams that have won some shit for a change.

Some shit is right. LMAO

Bambi
10-20-2011, 04:07 PM
Have you read the thread?

We really don't. Or at least I don't. Just like I don't believe Nebraska fans gave a shit about the rest of the IIX fans when they left.

But I'm really damn tired of listening to KK trying to claim objectivity here and then hide behind that 'objectivity' to cloak himself in credibility and blast the University of Missouri. He's not objective, not at all. And if he'd just admit that when he's launching shot across MU's bow, I wouldn't care. But for him to try to claim to be an objective journalist and then absolutely blister Mizzou to a massive audience is completely unacceptable to me.

(And there he goes again "I have no dog in this race, blah blah blah")

And Wickedson, well he's just a yammering douche and it's appropriate to point out when he's being a yammering douche that can't keep his argument straight.

My argument never waivers.

KU has no obligation to play MU.

You aren't in our conference.

Things change. Nice knowing/playing you.

Life will go on.

Mr. Plow
10-20-2011, 04:07 PM
Why do you care if MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? :harumph:


Why do you care if Pants cares that MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? :p

Bambi
10-20-2011, 04:09 PM
Some shit is right. LMAO

I count quite a few BCS games and Final Fours up there.

The teams leaving brought us none of that.

Huggins and Pitino in the conference with a dash of BCS glory.

Makes Texas A&M's 13-19 all time bowl record not that tough to lose.

Bearcat
10-20-2011, 04:12 PM
Why do you care if Pants cares that MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? :p

If Pants cares that MU fans care whether KU fans care or not, it makes it odd that he'd ask if MU fans care whether KU fans care or not, so I expect he doesn't care that MU fans care whether KU fans care or not, just like I don't care if he cares that MU fans care whether KU fans care or not. Care to build on that one? Not that I care if you care to build on it...

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 04:13 PM
I count quite a few BCS games and Final Fours up there.

The teams leaving brought us none of that.

Huggins and Pitino in the conference with a dash of BCS glory.

Makes Texas A&M's 13-19 all time bowl record not that tough to lose.

Someone has to win the Big East every year, right?

You are right on the Final Fours. Louisville would be a great basketball addition. Turning the Big 12 into a new version of the Big East that focuses more on basketball would be an ideal outcome for ku.

tk13
10-20-2011, 04:16 PM
Louisville has been to like one Final Four in the last 25 years. Certainly brings a big name coach and a great basketball facility with them though.

evenfall
10-20-2011, 04:16 PM
Why do you care if MU fans care whether KU fans care or not? :harumph:

There are only a couple of MU fans who seem to care much, and most of that is rooted in the "Hahaha like the SEC would ever want you" from before, or things that are just silly like the assertion that the big 12 is stable or the money is better.

Everyone knows that anybody with a chute would be using it if we are honest. It's just the 11th hour for MU/KU as conference foes so people are getting their barbs in.

I won't miss the big 12. I will miss the frequent games with KU, but there will be new rivals and new people to hate.

I am confident the football game and a basketball game will happen. It will be played like Clemson and South Carolina every year, out of conference rivals that schedule each other because the money is so good. Despite what butthurt coaches might say, the money is big and the school will make the coach do the right thing for his institution instead of his ego. The basketball game will just be once a year, but eh.

I don't think it will change things that much. This is an important milestone in the demise of the Big IIX, but between Missouri and Kansas things won't change that much. And that is the only good thing about the Big IIX anyway.

HemiEd
10-20-2011, 04:20 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Esopauski//pwpimages/.__400_401_Big-12-logo%281%29.jpg

Nice, very nice.

Frazod
10-20-2011, 04:20 PM
Nice, very nice.

I was thinking it would make an excellent range target. :bang:

tk13
10-20-2011, 04:22 PM
I think that article was interesting. If things were that tense before I'd love to see how tense they are now. Think of all the stuff Texas has done since then, especially since now even OU and OSU feel like Texas was trying to screw them over.

evenfall
10-20-2011, 04:23 PM
I think that article was interesting. If things were that tense before I'd love to see how tense they are now. Think of all the stuff Texas has done since then, especially since now even OU and OSU feel like Texas was trying to screw them over.

Indeed. With friends like these...

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 04:27 PM
I think that article was interesting. If things were that tense before I'd love to see how tense they are now. Think of all the stuff Texas has done since then, especially since now even OU and OSU feel like Texas was trying to screw them over.

Why would anyone ever want to leave that?

vailpass
10-20-2011, 04:28 PM
Nice, very nice.

UT, OU, OSU would want out of that non-football conference in a hurry wouldn't they?

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 04:29 PM
I think that article was interesting. If things were that tense before I'd love to see how tense they are now. Think of all the stuff Texas has done since then, especially since now even OU and OSU feel like Texas was trying to screw them over.

I would guess the remaining schools understand they have no better options and are just learning to live with it.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 04:29 PM
Did you hear that on Tigerboard? I see you are spending quite a bit of time there.

I did. Despite it's super annoying format, the fans are comedy gold.

evenfall
10-20-2011, 04:30 PM
I would guess the remaining schools understand they have no better options and are just learning to live with it.

Proud members, standing strong

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 04:31 PM
Expecting high 60s - 67k to 68k - would mean that basically all tickets except hill seats are sold out.

I just did a quick count of available seated tickets at MUTigers.com. There are 979 available seated tickets. 454 of those are in visitor sections.

The rest of the availability is in the hill. There's no way to track GA (hill seat) tickets, but I know there are about 4500 tickets in that grouping (actual seats is something like 66,500).

I've long thought listing those GA tickets as part of official capacity was retarded.

I always think "attendance smack" is funny from KU/KSU folks. We seat almost 20k more than you and have 12-15k more at each game, based on average attendance. Not much room to talk there, IMO.

I suppose if Kansas only had one school and we were filling a bigger stadium, I'd be content. But we have 2 schools, and fill one, and about half of another.....so that's about 75-80k.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 04:33 PM
so the Pac10 was wanting to take 7 Big 12 teams? Let the speculation begin...

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 04:34 PM
I suppose if Kansas only had one school and we were filling a bigger stadium, I'd be content. But we have 2 schools, and fill one, and about half of another.....so that's about 75-80k.

Congrats?

I would love to see an Ecobeak.

HemiEd
10-20-2011, 04:36 PM
I was thinking it would make an excellent range target. :bang:

They need to make it big, white and rectangular for you. :D

UT, OU, OSU would want out of that non-football conference in a hurry wouldn't they?

Probably not, since now they have a chance of winning something, with Mizzou gone. :p

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 04:37 PM
so the Pac10 was wanting to take 7 Big 12 teams? Let the speculation begin...

How do you get 7?

I obviously began discussing this privately with the Board of Regents, and the basic direction I got from them was, “Look, we’ll probably get an offer from the Pac-10 to go join them along with five other schools in the Big 12.” The chairman of the board said to me, “One option is no option. You better figure out what things A&M could do besides follow Texas and other schools to the Pac-10.

UT, A&M, Tech, OU, OSU, CU

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 04:39 PM
I suppose if Kansas only had one school and we were filling a bigger stadium, I'd be content. But we have 2 schools, and fill one, and about half of another.....so that's about 75-80k.

Suppose all you want, sweetheart, it's about all you have left at this point.

This is easily one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen on this board. 65,000 people to see a college football game is a shitload. It's generally more than the Chiefs have had at their games this season.

But whatever makes this easier for you.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 04:40 PM
How do you get 7?


Mikey is less intelligent, more inbred version of Wickedson.

Counting above 5 isn't a strength of his.

baitism
10-20-2011, 04:41 PM
TCU football is, unfortunately for them, going to be the new Texas Tech when they have to compete against real football programs at least 4/5 times a year.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 04:43 PM
How do you get 7?




I guess I misread it as "them" being UT, along with 5 other schools.

|Zach|
10-20-2011, 04:43 PM
Mikey needs to regroup and come back tomorrow to start bringing it again.

eazyb81
10-20-2011, 04:44 PM
Mikey needs to regroup and come back tomorrow to start bringing it again.

I'm sure he'll get some good ammo from scouring Tigerboard tonight.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 04:45 PM
Suppose all you want, sweetheart, it's about all you have left at this point.

This is easily one of the dumbest arguments I've ever seen on this board. 65,000 people to see a college football game is a shitload. It's generally more than the Chiefs have had at their games this season.

But whatever makes this easier for you.

comparatively, it's kind of pathetic considering missouri's population is nealry double that of kansas, and the issue of 2 BCS schools instead of one.

tk13
10-20-2011, 04:47 PM
TCU football is, unfortunately for them, going to be the new Texas Tech when they have to compete against real football programs at least 4/5 times a year.

They definitely have an advantage though in Dallas over being in the middle of nowhere Lubbock. Nothing against Lubbock, but that might have helped keep the Big XII together. Didn't seem like too many of those west coast schools or alumni liked the idea of having to travel to Lubbock or Stillwater every year.

HemiEd
10-20-2011, 04:48 PM
comparatively, it's kind of pathetic considering missouri's population is nealry double that of kansas, and the issue of 2 BCS schools instead of one.

Coon huntin' is better in Missouri, no time.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 04:49 PM
comparatively, it's kind of pathetic considering missouri's population is nealry double that of kansas, and the issue of 2 BCS schools instead of one.

Like I said - whatever helps you sleep at night.

Alternatively, you could point out that Missouri has 5 major professional sports teams as well as a handful of other professional teams in lesser sports (soccer, etc...) and that the entertainment options in Missouri absolutely obliterate those available in Kansas, thus the fact that so many Missouri entertainment dollars are spent on University of Missouri football in a professional sports state is actually very damn impressive.

But then again, you're pretty much functionally retarded, so that's probably above your head.

Keep trying, chief. Sooner or later someone will make a salient argument for you and you'll be able to latch onto it. Unfortunately it appears that Saulbadguy and Pants are tired of carrying your water, so you may have to wait awhile.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 04:49 PM
Mikey needs to regroup and come back tomorrow to start bringing it again.

Mikey needs to be euthanized.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 04:50 PM
They definitely have an advantage though in Dallas over being in the middle of nowhere Lubbock. Nothing against Lubbock, but that might have helped keep the Big XII together. Didn't seem like too many of those west coast schools or alumni liked the idea of having to travel to Lubbock or Stillwater every year.

New Jersey is the only thing keeping Lubbock from being the shittiest place on earth.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-20-2011, 04:51 PM
Mikey needs to be euthanized.

sniff sniff.....you hurted my feelings DJ. You're mean.

DJ's left nut
10-20-2011, 04:53 PM
sniff sniff.....you hurted my feelings DJ. You're mean.

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