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KcMizzou
10-24-2011, 05:50 PM
Why is everyone freaking out?

DJ's left nut
10-24-2011, 05:52 PM
Why is everyone freaking out?

Ever seen a kicked puppy flinch?

KcMizzou
10-24-2011, 05:53 PM
Ever seen a kicked puppy flinch?LMAO

Point taken.

KChiefs1
10-24-2011, 05:55 PM
Why is everyone freaking out?

I think most of us were thinking an official announcement of withdrawal from the Big 12 would be announced today.

KChiefs1
10-24-2011, 05:56 PM
Ever seen a kicked puppy flinch?

Heartbreaking.

Bowser
10-24-2011, 05:58 PM
Ever seen a kicked puppy flinch?

Haha. Succinct.

KChiefs1
10-24-2011, 06:07 PM
Dave Matter:

No withdrawal notice from MU to Big 12

By DAVE MATTER
Posted October 24, 2011 at 6:17 p.m.

The Big 12 board of directors wrapped up its meeting Monday in Dallas without Missouri announcing its withdrawal from the conference. Instead, the Big 12 offered this statement Monday evening:
In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.
The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.
Why no withdrawal from Missouri? A university source indicated that Monday was too soon to expect Chancellor Brady Deaton to work out several details with both the Big 12 and Southeastern Conference before formally completing the withdrawal process.

KChiefs1
10-24-2011, 06:14 PM
Insider's thoughts:
First of all, let's look at all of this rationally. We believed today was the day because of a regularly scheduled meeting of the Presidents. It seemed logical. Here is what I know is true and what I think is happening.

1. Deaton wanted to speak to all of the other Presidents. In doing so, he did that in good faith and not to run out the door. I know this for a fact.

2. The release says that ALL institutions expressed their desire to have Missouri stay. Not that we are leaving or that anything has changed. It isn't and hasn't. This is a fact.

3. The reason for going there is also to hold the Big 12's feet to the fire in relation to exit fees. I should have put this first. This is an attempt to hear about expansion, as we are still members in good standing, and if there are plans to go forward. It is ammunition to let those negotiating those fees to find out what is happening. If Deaton does not go, you are no longer privileged to that information.

4. The exit fee stage is the only bartering measure. This is a fact. Coaches have been told, some "special" people have been told and the SEC has released stuff saying we are going to the SEC. If Mizzou can say you have these three markets lined up for our departure, our fees should be a lot lower. Millions. It's a lot of money to save.

5. Nothing stops us from having a release tonight or in the morning stating we are conditionally withdrawing and applying to the SEC. I think we all just got a little snookered into thinking this meeting - which again was regularly scheduled - would be the time of exit.

Hold fast. Don't panic. No actions in the past month would be necessary if we were staying. Furthermore, every move so far has been with a lot of strategy. The KC move was brilliant. This one only has to do with paring down the fees. We didn't express our desire to stay. THE OTHER SCHOOLS EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE US STAY. Big difference.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-24-2011, 06:20 PM
But but but, Gabe SAID!

Reerun_KC
10-24-2011, 06:27 PM
So MU? Deal is done now?


I am getting tired of asking. When are you going to Ballsack up?

Saul Good
10-24-2011, 06:55 PM
But but but, Gabe SAID!

He absolutely did not say that. In fact, he went so far as to start a thread this morning saying that he had no information stating that today is the day. Sorry, dipshit.

Mr. Plow
10-24-2011, 07:02 PM
Insider's thoughts:


Sorry...but that's awesome.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-24-2011, 07:32 PM
He absolutely did not say that. In fact, he went so far as to start a thread this morning saying that he had no information stating that today is the day. Sorry, dipshit.

really? how's my ass taste?


GabeDeArmond (http://twitter.com/#%21/GabeDeArmond) Gabe DeArmond



Have received more info confirming what I wrote yesterday that <s class="hash">#</s>Mizzou (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Mizzou) will withdraw from Big 12 today. Only ? is when/how news comes out.

6 hours ago (http://twitter.com/#%21/GabeDeArmond/status/128546258263621633)

|Zach|
10-24-2011, 07:35 PM
"only question is when\how news come out"

kstater
10-24-2011, 07:37 PM
@DanBeebe (http://twitter.com/#%21/DanBeebe)
A Decade and a Half of Meh: A Proud History of Missouri in the Big 12 <s class="hash">#</s>Big12NetworkShows (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Big12NetworkShows)

Mr. Plow
10-24-2011, 07:44 PM
"only question is when\how news come out"

<s class="hash">"#</s>Mizzou (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Mizzou) will withdraw from Big 12 today. Only ? is when/how news comes out."

sedated
10-24-2011, 07:45 PM
A Decade and a Half of Meth: A Proud History of Missouri in the Big 12

Fyp

mikeyis4dcats.
10-24-2011, 07:48 PM
"only question is when\how news come out"

"more info confirming what I wrote yesterday that <s class="hash">#</s>Mizzou (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23Mizzou) will withdraw from Big 12 today"

Bambi
10-24-2011, 07:48 PM
This Dave Matter guy and the Dearmounds sure have hitched their wagons to MU leaving the Big 12.

Hope it works out for them. damn

Bambi
10-24-2011, 07:51 PM
http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/behind-the-stripes/2011/oct/24/no-withdrawal-notice-from-mu-to-big-12/
No withdrawal notice from MU to Big 12

By Dave Matter (http://www.columbiatribune.com/users/dmatter/)
Posted October 24, 2011 at 6:17 p.m.

The Big 12 board of directors wrapped up its meeting Monday in Dallas without Missouri announcing its withdrawal from the conference. Instead, the Big 12 offered this statement Monday evening:

In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference. The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.
Why no withdrawal from Missouri? A university source indicated that Monday was too soon to expect Chancellor Brady Deaton to work out several details with both the Big 12 and Southeastern Conference before formally completing the withdrawal process.


810 tomorrow at 2pm CST is appointment radio for some lol's. KK is gonna have a field day.

kcfan82
10-24-2011, 08:41 PM
It's a pretty big decision that rests soley on Deaton's shoulders, I'd take my time to think it through if I were him as well.

Even as a Nebraska fan, I stil question/questioned Nebraska leaving for the Big 10.

I'm surprised I haven't hear a single Missouri fan do the same.

Saul Good
10-24-2011, 08:45 PM
It's a pretty big decision that rests soley on Deaton's shoulders, I'd take my time to think it through if I were him as well.

Even as a Nebraska fan, I stil question/questioned Nebraska leaving for the Big 10.

I'm surprised I haven't hear a single Missouri fan do the same.

That's because Mizzou was offered a full membership to the SEC, and not a junior membership to the B1G.

Bambi
10-24-2011, 08:52 PM
It's a pretty big decision that rests soley on Deaton's shoulders, I'd take my time to think it through if I were him as well.

Even as a Nebraska fan, I stil question/questioned Nebraska leaving for the Big 10.

I'm surprised I haven't hear a single Missouri fan do the same.

Plenty question the move. Remember there are only like 8 MU fans that consistently post in this thread on Chiefsplanet.

In real life there may be close to 800 MU fans out there.

Pants
10-24-2011, 08:55 PM
Plenty question the move. Remember there are only like 8 MU fans that consistently post in this thread on Chiefsplanet.

In real life there may be close to 800 MU fans out there.

LMAO

Mosbonian
10-24-2011, 09:21 PM
Plenty question the move. Remember there are only like 8 MU fans that consistently post in this thread on Chiefsplanet.

In real life there may be close to 800 MU fans out there.

The most fun for me is watching people like you whine, bitch, moan and rant.

And just because we don't post it here doesn't mean we don't question whether a move is right for MU. We just find it more entertaining to play "kick the cat" with guys like you and pissing you off by screaming for a move to a real conference, not one where we have to kiss the a$$ of OU and Texas.

Pitt Gorilla
10-24-2011, 09:25 PM
Deaton may have let some info slip on KOMU tonight.

kcfan82
10-24-2011, 09:26 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I was holding out hope that if the conference apocalypse happened KU, MU, KSU (and another) would end up in the Big 10.

Lots of long time rivalries I don't want to lose.

Not to mention, KU, KSU, and MU would help the B1G not get embarrased in the ACC/B!G challenge.

Saul Good
10-24-2011, 09:27 PM
Brady Deaton: "I think the Big XII is making moves that are best for the Big XII, and I wish them the best".

Bambi
10-24-2011, 09:31 PM
The most fun for me is watching people like you whine, bitch, moan and rant.

And just because we don't post it here doesn't mean we don't question whether a move is right for MU. We just find it more entertaining to play "kick the cat" with guys like you and pissing you off by screaming for a move to a real conference, not one where we have to kiss the a$$ of OU and Texas.

Who's mad?

I'm confused.

I thought I was the happy one licking the Texas ballsack and MU fans were angry.

Can't have it both ways dude.

Mosbonian
10-24-2011, 09:34 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I was holding out hope that if the conference apocalypse happened KU, MU, KSU (and another) would end up in the Big 10.

Lots of long time rivalries I don't want to lose.

Not to mention, KU, KSU, and MU would help the B1G not get embarrased in the ACC/B!G challenge.

If you talk to people who are B1G fans they believe they don't need anyone else. They are waiting for Notre Dame to cave in and join them and then they will have their closed Fraternity. If they were generous they might let in someone like Rutgers, but have no need for it.

There's virtually no chance that MU, KU and KSU will be in the B1G together unless something drastic happens.

Mosbonian
10-24-2011, 09:36 PM
Who's mad?

I'm confused.I thought I was the happy one licking the Texas ballsack and MU fans were angry.

Can't have it both ways dude.

The part that is most important to realize is the bolded part...you've been confused this whole thread.

Jerm
10-24-2011, 09:38 PM
If you read the full KOMU article with Deaton's quotes...it's CLEAR Mizzou is leaving, just a matter of time.

kcfan82
10-24-2011, 09:41 PM
If you talk to people who are B1G fans they believe they don't need anyone else. They are waiting for Notre Dame to cave in and join them and then they will have their closed Fraternity. If they were generous they might let in someone like Rutgers, but have no need for it.

There's virtually no chance that MU, KU and KSU will be in the B1G together unless something drastic happens.

From what I've heard, the B1G and Notre Dame have bad blood now and Notre Dame isn't welcome, (and vice versa) hence the Notre Dame to the ACC talk.

If the B1G is forced to keep up with the Joneses then KU, KSU, and MU are the best fit in my mind. F Rutgers, and the other northeastern schools that really don't give that much of a sh*t about college sports.

I'm just saying that those are the 3 schools I'd like to have if it goes tumbling down.

Mosbonian
10-24-2011, 09:49 PM
From what I've heard, the B1G and Notre Dame have bad blood now and Notre Dame isn't welcome, (and vice versa) hence the Notre Dame to the ACC talk.

If the B1G is forced to keep up with the Joneses then KU, KSU, and MU are the best fit in my mind. F Rutgers, and the other northeastern schools that really don't give that much of a sh*t about college sports.

I'm just saying that those are the 3 schools I'd like to have if it goes tumbling down.

Do you really think that if ND comes calling to the B1G that they won't welcome them with open arms?

There's too much money involved to not have them there. ND will decide where they want to go, (ACC or B1G) and whomever they pick will gladly accept them.

Mosbonian
10-24-2011, 09:50 PM
If you read the full KOMU article with Deaton's quotes...it's CLEAR Mizzou is leaving, just a matter of time.

You have a link to the article?

KChiefs1
10-24-2011, 09:53 PM
Deaton's comments:
Deaton wishes the Big 12 "the best, and all of that"

BY VAHE GREGORIAN • vgregorian@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8199 |

Posted: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:41 pm

COLUMBIA, MO. - On Friday, Missouri took further audacious steps to set up a departure from the Big 12 to the Southeastern Conference when the system Board of Curators authorized chancellor Brady Deaton to take action and negotiate contracts regarding conference alignment and Deaton leaped so far out on a limb as to acknowledge an exchange of information with the SEC.

With SEC-bound Texas A&M next up on MU's football schedule and a Big 12 Board of Directors meeting scheduled Monday in Dallas, the timing seemed right for the next logical step:

For Deaton to proclaim at least a conditional withdrawal from the Big 12.

But following the Big 12 meeting, there was only this statement from the Big 12:

"In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.

"The Board also discussed a wide range of topics, including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a conference-dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed."

The desire for MU to stay didn't seem reciprocated, though.

At Columbia Regional Airport late Monday, Deaton told KOMU TV in Columbia that there are "no delays here at all. There are some very specific things that have to be addressed, and we are addressing those."

He declined to elaborate on specifics, but added, "It's the kind of thing you can't rush. I know fans get impatient. Let me say, I'm very sympathetic, but what I hope they will understand is that it's not a set of issue that one can press a button and be done with it."

He added that the Big 12 is "making some of the right moves, now, that are necessary for the Big 12 to do, and I wish them the best and all of that. So we'll see where that goes."

As for the content of the meeting, perhaps the most apt words came from Twitter sensation Fake Dan Beebe, as in the former Big 12 commissioner who recently resigned:

"THEY'RE DISCUSSING A BIG 12 NETWORK NOW????!?!?"

Perhaps, but apparently not one that would include all 10 schools currently remaining in the lineup, including Texas Christian in place of A&M next year. Texas is not going to give up its Longhorn Network, for starters.

But it's believed there was discussion of bundling the third-tier rights of most of the other schools for equal distribution.

It's not known how that point came about during the meeting, but a source familiar with the dynamics of the conference's last attempts to persuade A&M to stay believed it was likely the meeting included a similar basic question of MU.

What will it take for you to stay?

It's possible the discussion then turned in the direction of third-tier rights, which may or may not have constituted an entirely fresh look at the matter.

Whatever the case, it's highly unlikely that's a game-changer for MU, which by all appearances already has checked out.

Although Deaton said last week there would "continue to be no unnecessary or inappropriate delays" in the decision-making, he also has called the decision a "weighty" one and won't be hasty just to get it out of the way.

Uncertainty about the future of the Big 12 compelled MU to gird itself for the future by considering alternatives, and the SEC has given every indication behind the scenes that it would accept a Missouri application if all potential legal entanglements are removed.

It's not known whether such concerns would include a clash over the timing of MU's departure, which Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas has said won't be for next year.

That was likely a strategic negotiating stance since Big 12 television inventory would fall short of its contractual TV obligations for football if it is only able to field a nine-team conference in 2012.

While the Big 12 figures to restock to 10 and possibly move back to 12 if Mizzou leaves, its prime potential targets - West Virginia, Louisville and Cincinnati - are in the Big East, which is holding Pittsburgh and Syracuse to a 27-month departure time for their next conference, the Atlantic Coast.

So if MU wants to leave for next year but the Big 12 can't replenish itself in time, potential legal conflicts could surface.

Despite Neinas' contention, Deaton said Friday that if MU leaves it would seek to go in 2012.

Deaton stepped down as chairman of the board of the Big 12 earlier this month as he was authorized by the curators to explore options for conference alignment.

When asked Friday what the next step in the process would be, MU board chair Warren Erdman said, "The next step will be resolution of the question."

But perhaps just not as soon as many had expected.

Pitt Gorilla
10-24-2011, 09:55 PM
You have a link to the article?http://www.komu.com/news/exclusive-deaton-comments-on-big-12-meeting/

KChiefs1
10-24-2011, 10:14 PM
Mike DeArmond:
By Mike DeArmond - Posted on 24 October 2011

COLUMBIA – Interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas has told The Star that Missouri did not submit a letter of conditional withdrawal nor did it notify the Big 12 Conference on Monday of its plans to leave.
“The conference encouraged Missouri to stay in the Big 12,” Neinas added, referring to a statement to be released by the league concerning the Big 12 Board of Directors meeting on Monday in Dallas.
When asked if following its release Neinas could be asked for further guidance, Neinas said: “You could, but I won’t give you any.”
But Monday night, in an interview with KOMU-TV, Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton added some perspective, including a statement that he wished the Big 12 “the best and all of that.”
“So we’ll see where that goes,” Deaton added.
The Big 12 release was at best noncommittal:
“In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.
“The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network.
“Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.”
Across Internet message boards poured frustration from Missouri fans anticipating the school would give the Big 12 formal notice of its withdrawal, if not announce its application for membership of the Southeastern Conference.
Some expressed skepticism that the Big 12’s statement was truly reflective of what transpired when Deaton met with his contemporaries at an undisclosed location in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.
There was no evidence provided Monday that Missouri had made any move away from the Big 12, despite the Missouri Board of Curators having authorized Deaton last Friday in Kansas City to act as he best saw fit in exploring Mizzou’s options for conference affiliation.
But Deaton said, in the interview with KOMU at Columbia Regional Airport, that there were “no delays here at all.
“It’s the kind of thing you can’t rush. I know fans get impatient.
“Let me say, I’m very sympathetic, but what I hope they will understand is that it’s not a set of issues that one can press a button and be done with.”
Deaton indicated the Big 12 is “making some of the right moves, now, that are necessary for the Big 12 to do, and I wish them the best and all of that.”
If that sounds like the right moves are coming too late to deter Missouri from joining the SEC, well that is a widely-held belief among those who want Missouri to bolt the dysfunctional Big 12.
Meanwhile, in Columbia, a long-time Missouri supporter wondered over the choice Mizzou has still not publicly made between the
Big 12 and the SEC.
“Tiger John” Cleek, like his father before him, “Mizzou Mo” Cleek before him, has sold appliances and home furnishings to the folk living in Columbia and mid-Missouri for decades.
He has been a Missouri fan all his life.
“Truthfully, I had held out hope that the Big 12 could maintain its stability, just because I’ve been for 55 years a Missouri fan,” Cleek said. “That we could keep our traditional rivals.”
But Cleek expressed confidence in Deaton and Missouri athletic director Mike Alden making the decision that might be necessary to send Mizzou’s athletic ship of state into SEC waters.
“Financially we’ve got to make this thing work,” Cleek said. “They’re in position to have the information and the knowledge that those of us here don’t have.
“It’s going to be a very major decision, but when you’ve seen in the last 16 to 18 months where Oklahoma and Texas both just about left.
“My heart says I’d love to stay in the Big 12. But financially and in terms of long-term stability it looks like the SEC would be a real good opportunity for us.”
If Missouri did not immediately jump to cash in on that opportunity on Monday, Cleek seemed not troubled by yet another day going by without a monumental decision being announced.
“I think the chancellor is very much looking out for what is best at the University of Missouri.”
Over the weekend, many MU boosters said privately that a move to the SEC was a foregone conclusion, reflective of nearly a week of local and national media reports.
But what ultimately is decided to be the best for the University of Missouri, for now, remains in public limbo.

Jerm
10-24-2011, 10:33 PM
Another telling bit from the KOMU article...

When asked if he had the needed votes from the SEC presidents for an invite he replied, "I'll let them speak for themselves, we're reasonably clear about where we stand."

Jerm
10-24-2011, 10:33 PM
Hope this shit is done tomorrow or the next day....

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2011, 10:49 PM
KU and K-State won't be invited to the Big 10. Give it up people.

HolyHandgernade
10-24-2011, 11:12 PM
KU and K-State won't be invited to the Big 10. Give it up people.

I believe that was an MU fan that brought it up. I think you left something back in Wisconsin.

kcfan82
10-24-2011, 11:16 PM
I believe that was an MU fan that brought it up. I think you left something back in Wisconsin.

I brought it up (a Nebaska fan).

It's just something I'd like to see if all the conferences implode, but I guess I'm in the minority. The northeastern schools don't intrigue me at all.

Mosbonian
10-24-2011, 11:19 PM
I believe that was an MU fan that brought it up. I think you left something back in Wisconsin.

:LOL:

HolyHandgernade
10-24-2011, 11:26 PM
I brought it up (a Nebaska fan).

It's just something I'd like to see if all the conferences implode, but I guess I'm in the minority. The northeastern schools don't intrigue me at all.

If the conference were to implode, obviously the B!G would be fantastic. And yes, their options might be limited. I'm quite content with the Big XII and am excited about the prospects of new members. Obviously, as a basketball fan, I'd like to see Louisville and I favor expanding to 12 with Cincinnati and WVU.

I think NU made a good decision for themselves, I just can't stand Bo's Pelini, so no offense meant towards the Husker fan base at large.

I know Texas wants to stay at 10, but is willing to go to 12 if they split the new divisions with Texas in one and OU in the other but remaining permanent cross division opponents. I'd like to see that plan. I actually think it would be good for the conference as a whole if there were two Texas schools in each division. Gives those former North schools something more to sell to recruits.

Maybe something like:

Texas
Baylor
KU
ISU
Cincinnati
WVU

Texas Tech
TCU
KSU
OU
OSU
Louisville

You could make KU and KSU permanent rivals as well. OU and OSU have to remain in the same division since OU is crossed with Texas.

ChiefsCountry
10-24-2011, 11:44 PM
We do have some realingment news to report and it effects one of the local teams. Oral Roberts is leaving UMKC's home league, Summit, for the Southland Conference.

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2011, 11:50 PM
I believe that was an MU fan that brought it up. I think you left something back in Wisconsin.

That'd be funny if your team didn't give up 50+ every week.

HolyHandgernade
10-24-2011, 11:51 PM
That'd be funny if your team didn't give up 50+ every week.

No, its still funny. We don't make our reputation on football.

Chocolate Hog
10-24-2011, 11:53 PM
No, its still funny. We don't make our reputation on football.

Yeah a reputation on losing to mid majors in a sport that doesn't count is the way to go. Wonder why no conferences have invited KU :LOL:

HolyHandgernade
10-24-2011, 11:58 PM
Yeah a reputation on losing to mid majors in a sport that doesn't count is the way to go. Wonder why no conferences have invited KU :LOL:

Got one, don't need an invite.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 05:07 AM
If you read the full KOMU article with Deaton's quotes...it's CLEAR Mizzou is leaving, just a matter of time.

No no no.....KK's going to have a "field day".....uh, for some reason.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 05:14 AM
Rumor on WVU boards is that the Big East exit penalty goes up by $5MM on Thursday. Anyone know if that is true?

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 05:15 AM
Chuck Carlton tweet:

Hearing from Big 12 school sources that Missouri, Big 12 are negotiating legal issues, including departure date (2012 or '13) and exit fees.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 06:09 AM
Got one, don't need an invite.

Wouldn't it be better if you could be a junior member instead of a full member, though?

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 06:40 AM
Deaton back from meeting in Dallas: "I think the Big 12 is making moves that are best for the Big 12 and I wish them the best."


- It's not you, it's me.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 07:25 AM
Chuck Carlton tweet:

Hearing from Big 12 school sources that Missouri, Big 12 are negotiating legal issues, including departure date (2012 or '13) and exit fees.


The only reason they stay until 2013 would be if the exit penalties were too high. But, like with Nebraska & Colorado, I'm sure they will negotiate the fees down into the $6-$10 million range.

Jerm
10-25-2011, 07:55 AM
Hmm...

@GabeDeArmond Brady Deaton says on KFRU he abstained from any votes at Big 12 meeting yesterday.

Deaton says he participated in any discussion not directly relating to the future of the Big 12 and whether #Mizzou would be in it.

Deaton: "There's a deep warmth for the history of" the Big 12. "Our head has to outweigh our heart in achieving some of our objectives."

Deaton says he has already been on the phone this morning, hopes to have resolution of some of the issues by end of today.

Deaton: “Over the last two or three weeks, we’ve reached a firmness of where we’re headed, where we want to focus our attention.”

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 08:16 AM
Mizzou to rest of the conference:

http://blog.art21.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/So-long-farewell-e1315494355865.jpg

So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen adieu!

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 08:16 AM
Mizzou to rest of the conference:

http://blog.art21.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/So-long-farewell-e1315494355865.jpg

So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu!

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 08:19 AM
So MU? Deal is done now?


I am getting tired of asking. When are you going to Ballsack up?

They are draggin' this out because the really like how you coddle their ballsack.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 08:25 AM
GET THE FUCK OUT SLAVERS

West Virginia to leave Big East for Big 12
By LENN ROBBINS

Last Updated: 8:51 AM, October 25, 2011

Posted: 2:39 AM, October 25, 2011

The Big East Football Conference's survival as a league with BCS automatic-qualifier status is about to take a serious hit because the Big 12 has lined up West Virginia to replace Missouri, The Post has learned.

The Big 12 held a board of directors meeting yesterday, and a source said the league's plan is to hold on to Missouri, which wants to leave for the SEC, for one more year then replace it with West Virginia.

That would mean the Big East is losing a fourth FBS-playing member, leaving the league with five schools that play FBS football: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Rutgers and South Florida.

The Big 12's thinking, which could become more aggressive, forces the Big East to look at "Plan C" as it heads into its annual meeting of presidents and board of directors next Tuesday in Philadelphia.

Initially the league was hoping it could survive by inviting Air Force, Boise State, Central Florida, Houston, Navy and SMU. But if the league also must replace West Virginia along with Pittsburgh, Syracuse and TCU, the Big East must look at Temple and perhaps Army.

"Of all the schools the league has lost, from a football standpoint losing West Virginia would be the most damaging," a source told The Post. "Despite what anyone says, that's the program the league has hung its hat on."

A source said the Big 12, by holding Missouri, might hold at 10 teams for next season and then consider a jump to 16 teams. Louisville and Cincinnati are under consideration as well as Boise State and BYU.

The Big 12 released a statement last night which said, "a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed." You can bet a lot of lawyers representing conferences, schools and TV networks are billing by the hour.

Mark Nordenberg, the president of Pitt who stabbed Big East commissioner John Marinatto in the back by taking his school to the ACC, may have served one useful purpose: He helped craft the legislation that requires a 27-month stay for teams leaving the Big East for another conference.

It is that legislation, and the firm stance Marinatto has taken since Pitt and Syracuse announced their move to the ACC, which could prevent West Virginia from leaving next season. Marinatto has been adamant about not allowing any outgoing member to negotiate that exit window.

Of course, the Big East faces a bigger problem. If Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia are all headed elsewhere, whether it be in one or two years, Big East Football Conference would probably collapse, leaving the exit penalties moot.

The league is one of six that has AQ status, meaning the league champ gets an automatic berth in the lucrative BCS pool. Without AQ status, the Big East loses all leverage.

notorious
10-25-2011, 08:40 AM
Thank God this is finally coming to a close.


It really didn't matter one way or the other, I just wanted to stop hearing about this shit.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 08:40 AM
It is so cute that the Big 12 thinks Mizzou will stay for one more year to help smooth the transition.

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 08:42 AM
I think this thread is dying the way the old one did.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 08:45 AM
Deaton quotes:

1. No longer a "fluid" situation. We are set in our plan and executing it.

2. New critical information already received this morning that could play a role as soon as later this afternoon.

notorious
10-25-2011, 08:46 AM
The Big 12 should just tell Mizzou to GTFO and give them a break on exit fees. The last thing they want is for Mizzou to hang around reminding everyone that they are leaving.


Besides, it's not like they are losing a "10". It's more like losing a 5-6 that looked like a 7 while the conference was down.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 09:00 AM
It is so cute that the Big 12 thinks Mizzou will stay for one more year to help smooth the transition.

lol. It has nothing to do with the Big 12 trying to hold onto to MU to make it a smooth transition, it has to do with MU trying to get out of as much of the exit fees as possible.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 09:03 AM
lol. It has nothing to do with the Big 12 trying to hold onto to MU to make it a smooth transition, it has to do with MU trying to get out of as much of the exit fees as possible.

It has to do with not having a team lined up to replace Mizzou in 2011 and exit fee negotiation.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 09:05 AM
It has to do with not having a team lined up to replace Mizzou in 2011 and exit fee negotiation.


I guess that means that the Big 12 will hold MU to the exit fee fire.

KChiefs1
10-25-2011, 09:06 AM
Maybe if MU delays this thing the Big 12 will just say leave already & forget about the exit fees!

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 09:07 AM
The only reason they stay until 2013 would be if the exit penalties were too high. But, like with Nebraska & Colorado, I'm sure they will negotiate the fees down into the $6-$10 million range.

Their fees were based on an intact conference. I would think the damages would be less for Mizzou, as the conference was already badly damages from the losses of aTm, Nebraska, and Colorado.

My guess is that $6 million is the ceiling, and the lawyers negotiate down from there. As many times as Neinas has said the conference will be fine without Mizzou, that could come back to bite him when trying to claim damages.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 09:08 AM
lol. It has nothing to do with the Big 12 trying to hold onto to MU to make it a smooth transition, it has to do with MU trying to get out of as much of the exit fees as possible.

Yes.

It has to do with not having a team lined up to replace Mizzou in 2011 and exit fee negotiation.

Yes.


I'm not sure what's unclear here - the IIX evidently intends to offer MU some fairly hefty concessions on the exit fees (and probably drop all legal challenges) if Mizzou agrees to stay in the IIX for 2012.

It's probably the right decision for all parties. I'm as eager to get out as the next guy, but I don't want MU or its boosters throwing a ton of money at legal fees (and there would be plenty) if this thing has to go to litigation. There appears to be a lot more animosity surrounding MU's move than there is w/ A&Ms, so MU needs to do something to grease the skids on the way out. Staying in the IIX for the 2012 season would be annoying, but not terribly painful. Sign the contracts with the SEC, save several million and a lot of headache, be ready to hit the ground running in 2013.

Or call their bluff. Seems petty, but it could happen.

Jerm
10-25-2011, 09:12 AM
I wonder if Mizzou and the Big XII have an agreement that they'll lower the exit fees and let them leave in 2012 if MU doesn't formally move until the BXII has a replacement lined up and ready to go...has to be something like that as to why this is dragging out.

Makes sense with the WVU chat heating up this morning...

Jerm
10-25-2011, 09:12 AM
Also, there's chatter supposedly this morning too about Notre Dame moving all non football sports to the Big XII as well...

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 09:13 AM
Their fees were based on an intact conference. I would think the damages would be less for Mizzou, as the conference was already badly damages from the losses of aTm, Nebraska, and Colorado.

My guess is that $6 million is the ceiling, and the lawyers negotiate down from there. As many times as Neinas has said the conference will be fine without Mizzou, that could come back to bite him when trying to claim damages.


Good luck with that. If $6 million was the ceiling, MU would have announced they were leaving by now.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 09:21 AM
Their fees were based on an intact conference. I would think the damages would be less for Mizzou, as the conference was already badly damages from the losses of aTm, Nebraska, and Colorado.

My guess is that $6 million is the ceiling, and the lawyers negotiate down from there. As many times as Neinas has said the conference will be fine without Mizzou, that could come back to bite him when trying to claim damages.

A damages claim is less relevant when discussing a liquidated damages provision. At that point, all he has to do is establish 'damage' in general, then fall back on the liquidated damages provision.

It's sufficient to form a cause of action, if nothing else. And the way the value of one of these is generally calculated is you take the best case scenario $$ figure and multiply it by the odds of winning then subtract legal fees. So if you're the IIX and you think you have about a 50/50 shot at winning a $24 million lawsuit, then the 'value' of the suit is placed at right around $12 million (minus fees) and that's where you start your negotiations from.

Now the IIX has done some stuff in the interim to make the damages more calculable (i.e. the payoffs from NE and CO), but that again just speaks to the odds of winning. MU may be able to argue that the damages can be clearly calculated, thus making the liquidated damages clause punitive in nature and thus unenforceable. But even then, MU's 'best case' scenario is the $6-9 million the other schools have paid out + legal costs.

MU doesn't really have a hell of a lot of leverage here. The suit is probably worth right around $9 million when you get right down to it. Is it 'fair' to make MU pay more than CU when they leave? No, not really, but fair's got nothing to do with it. MU needs to continuing playing nice until the final figures are agreed upon then get out with as little financial damage as possible.

Every booster dollar not spent on exit fees or legal fees is a booster dollar that can go to facilities. Let's keep an eye on that when discussing this stuff.

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 09:22 AM
The Big XII's expressions of Missouri staying are to appear as though all the impetus of Missouri leaving is their own. The Big XII is really under no deadline to have this done, all the time pressures are really on Missouri. If Missouri wants to play in the SEC next year, they have to give the schedule makers enough time to make that happen and negotiate any changes to their existing schedule for next year, if necessary.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 09:28 AM
The Big XII's expressions of Missouri staying are to appear as though all the impetus of Missouri leaving is their own. The Big XII is really under no deadline to have this done, all the time pressures are really on Missouri. If Missouri wants to play in the SEC next year, they have to give the schedule makers enough time to make that happen and negotiate any changes to their existing schedule for next year, if necessary.

The SEC schedules are made. That's no obstacle. Do you really think time is in the Big IIX's side? The Big IIX has to add a bunch of city schools and apply flame redardant to every couch in the midwest.

If Mizzou was in a hurry, they would already be gone. The longer Mizzou stays, the more the Big IIX is handcuffed.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 09:29 AM
Their fees were based on an intact conference. I would think the damages would be less for Mizzou, as the conference was already badly damages from the losses of aTm, Nebraska, and Colorado.

My guess is that $6 million is the ceiling, and the lawyers negotiate down from there. As many times as Neinas has said the conference will be fine without Mizzou, that could come back to bite him when trying to claim damages.

you are conveniently forgetting that the remaining members met after NU and CU left and all went through everything. These fees are based on that. CU and NU are meaningless.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 09:30 AM
The SEC schedules are made. That's no obstacle. Do you really think time is in the Big IIX's side? The Big IIX has to add a bunch of city schools and apply flame redardant to every couch in the midwest.

If Mizzou was in a hurry, they would already be gone. The longer Mizzou stays, the more the Big IIX is handcuffed.

According top the SEC they haven't done anything except plan for a 13 team schedule, and those are even complete.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 09:34 AM
you are conveniently forgetting that the remaining members met after NU and CU left and all went through everything. These fees are based on that. CU and NU are meaningless.

After the members left, they put together a bunch of non-binding resolutions and commitments to commit.

They didn't change the by-laws or the fee structures.

The exit fees will be calculated under the same language used when NE and CO left. That language is nebulous at best (and malpractice at worst). It absolutely leaves itself open to challenge and it will definitely be the only reason MU may get out of this thing for around $8 million or less.

What I hadn't really considered to this point was the possibility that the SEC is telling MU that it's offer is contingent on arriving in 2012. Deaton seems pretty dead-set on going to the SEC next season and that just doesn't seem like him. I wonder if the SEC isn't forcing MU's hand a little bit here, in which case we'll probably end up cashing out for a little bit less than Nebraska did.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 09:35 AM
you are conveniently forgetting that the remaining members met after NU and CU left and all went through everything. These fees are based on that. CU and NU are meaningless.

Good point. I forgot that the other members could meet and go through everything thus unilaterally changing the agreement.

I mean, as long as the other members "went through everything", it's settled.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 09:35 AM
The SEC schedules are made. That's no obstacle. Do you really think time is in the Big IIX's side? The Big IIX has to add a bunch of city schools and apply flame redardant to every couch in the midwest.

If Mizzou was in a hurry, they would already be gone. The longer Mizzou stays, the more the Big IIX is handcuffed.


MU is not in control of this other than trying to minimize exit fees. And if they wait to long, exit fees will go up if they plan to leave next year.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 09:36 AM
According top the SEC they haven't done anything except plan for a 13 team schedule, and those are even complete.

Oh well I guess we can take that as gospel, seeing as how admitting they were working on a 14 team schedule would be admitting they have had negotiations with a 14th member.

The SEC Commissioner isn't a dumbass like Neinas. He's got his peeps in-line.

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 09:38 AM
McMurphyCBS Brett McMurphy
by Dave_Matter
West Virginia to Big 12 w/in 24-48 hours after Missouri withdraws from Big 12, sources tell @CBSSports bit.ly/vPPq77

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 09:40 AM
Chip Brown pulling out the big guns!!!

"Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas continues to voice hope that Missouri will remain in the Big 12. And there is speculation that Notre Dame's possible interest in the Big 12 for its non-football sports could entice Mizzou to stay put.

Sources said Missouri is being told it will be cut in on any rotation of football games involving Notre Dame and the Big 12."

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1283801

notorious
10-25-2011, 09:40 AM
McMurphyCBS Brett McMurphy
by Dave_Matter
West Virginia to Big 12 w/in 24-48 hours after Missouri withdraws from Big 12, sources tell @CBSSports bit.ly/vPPq77

It will almost be like nothing has changed except for the travel time.

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 09:42 AM
It will almost be like nothing has changed except for the travel time.

and breeding habits ohhh and hygiene.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 09:43 AM
Oh well I guess we can take that as gospel, seeing as how admitting they were working on a 14 team schedule would be admitting they have had negotiations with a 14th member.

The SEC Commissioner isn't a dumbass like Neinas. He's got his peeps in-line.

Mike Slive is the Thomas Jefferson of Conference presidents.

Chuck Neinas is Chester A. Arthur.

'nuff said.

notorious
10-25-2011, 09:54 AM
and breeding habits ohhh and hygiene.

Thank God that someone hasn't invented "Smellivision" yet. LMAO

evenfall
10-25-2011, 09:55 AM
Chip Brown pulling out the big guns!!!

"Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas continues to voice hope that Missouri will remain in the Big 12. And there is speculation that Notre Dame's possible interest in the Big 12 for its non-football sports could entice Mizzou to stay put.

Sources said Missouri is being told it will be cut in on any rotation of football games involving Notre Dame and the Big 12."

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1283801


That's hilarious. The die has been cast. Missouri is not staying. Whomever these "sources" are should be relegated to the dumbass category.

Pants
10-25-2011, 09:57 AM
and breeding habits ohhh and hygiene.

Actually, that's the part that will be staying the same. :)

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 10:08 AM
The SEC schedules are made. That's no obstacle. Do you really think time is in the Big IIX's side? The Big IIX has to add a bunch of city schools and apply flame redardant to every couch in the midwest.

If Mizzou was in a hurry, they would already be gone. The longer Mizzou stays, the more the Big IIX is handcuffed.

You seem to think magic wands are available for this. If adding another team means the other East teams have to add or drop a non con opponent, those type of negotiations do require some time. The less notice you give a non con, oftentimes there are penalties associated. Those dropped teams are then forced to scramble and find another team to play. Its not just a simple process of "insert Missouri here".

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 10:17 AM
You seem to think magic wands are available for this. If adding another team means the other East teams have to add or drop a non con opponent, those type of negotiations do require some time. The less notice you give a non con, oftentimes there are penalties associated. Those dropped teams are then forced to scramble and find another team to play. Its not just a simple process of "insert Missouri here".

Why would adding another team force anyone to drop a non-con?

If they stick to 4 non-con games and play 6 'divisional' games, they have their 'rival' game against the other division and an additional non-rival game across the division (crosses fingers; hopes for Ole Miss...).

Sooner or later they'll likely switch to 9 conference games and 3 non-con, but absolutely nothing that happens over the next couple of weeks would mandate that.

Yeah, it probably is just a simple process of 'insert Missouri here'; especially since it would actually make conference scheduling much easier on balance. They could have it knocked out in a matter of hours, really. A computer algorithm would spit out a bunch of alternatives, they'd probably be able to boot several of them out immediately and have a schedule voted on and finalized by the end of the day.

It wouldn't be that difficult at all.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 10:28 AM
Does this mean that MU started the whole conference realignment 15 years ago with it's initial flirting with the Big 10?


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MISSOURI INTERESTED IN JUMPING TO THE BIG TEN


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Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 10:33 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/sports/ncaafootball/West-Virginia-Big-12-Big-East.html?_r=4&ref=sports

West Virginia Close to Leaving Big East for Big 12

By PETE THAMEL (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/pete_thamel/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

Published: October 25, 2011

West Virginia is headed to the Big 12, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation, a move that leaves the Big East with five football programs and an uncertain future. The person said Tuesday that the Mountaineers had “applied and are accepted,” leaving only legal entanglements from making the move official. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been formally announced.

West Virginia is the Big East’s flagship football program, and losing its consistently strong performance will hurt the conference as it seeks to hold on to its automatic Bowl Championship Series spot. With the departure of the Mountaineers, who must pay a $5 million exit fee, the conference’s football members are Rutgers, Louisville, South Florida, Connecticut and Cincinnati. That gives it the same number of football teams it had when Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech departed in 2003.

The only good news for the Big East is that the Big 12 planned to stay at 10 teams for now, the person said. That will spare the Big East any more critical losses and give it a chance to build into the 12-team model that it would prefer.

While Missouri, a current Big 12 member, has yet to announce that it is applying for membership in the Southeastern Conference, that move is still viewed as inevitable. The Kansas City Star reported Tuesday morning that Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton said it could be “days or possibly a week or two” (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2175) before Missouri’s application happened.

Legal problems are holding up Missouri’s move, as it has to negotiate an exit fee, and there is a concern among Big 12 teams about how to fill the void in their schedules that Missouri would leave. That creates two problems, as universities will have to scramble to find another opponent, perhaps from the Football Championship Subdivision. A victory over a team from that level would not count toward a Big 12 member’s bowl eligibility. It will also cause the Big 12 to fall short of fulfilling its television contract. Both could be costly for the league.

The SEC made it very clear during its courtship with Texas A&M that it would only accept the Aggies without legal issues, so Missouri must take care of those before joining.

The Big East now moves toward putting together its proposed 12-team model; it hopes to add Air Force, Navy and Boise State in football and Houston, Southern Methodist and Central Florida in all sports. With West Virginia gone, the new team most likely to emerge as a possible member would be Temple, which has received resistance from its Philadelphia rival Villanova. But with the league’s future in peril, it is hard to imagine that Villanova would have enough influence to thwart Temple, which boasts a rising football program, a strong basketball program and the Philadelphia television market. East Carolina and Memphis would be other candidates. Both have openly lobbied to join the Big East in the past.

BigCatDaddy
10-25-2011, 10:41 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/sports/ncaafootball/West-Virginia-Big-12-Big-East.html?_r=4&ref=sports

West Virginia Close to Leaving Big East for Big 12

By PETE THAMEL (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/pete_thamel/index.html?inline=nyt-per)

Published: October 25, 2011

West Virginia is headed to the Big 12, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation, a move that leaves the Big East with five football programs and an uncertain future. The person said Tuesday that the Mountaineers had “applied and are accepted,” leaving only legal entanglements from making the move official. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been formally announced.

West Virginia is the Big East’s flagship football program, and losing its consistently strong performance will hurt the conference as it seeks to hold on to its automatic Bowl Championship Series spot. With the departure of the Mountaineers, who must pay a $5 million exit fee, the conference’s football members are Rutgers, Louisville, South Florida, Connecticut and Cincinnati. That gives it the same number of football teams it had when Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech departed in 2003.

The only good news for the Big East is that the Big 12 planned to stay at 10 teams for now, the person said. That will spare the Big East any more critical losses and give it a chance to build into the 12-team model that it would prefer.

While Missouri, a current Big 12 member, has yet to announce that it is applying for membership in the Southeastern Conference, that move is still viewed as inevitable. The Kansas City Star reported Tuesday morning that Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton said it could be “days or possibly a week or two” (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2175) before Missouri’s application happened.

Legal problems are holding up Missouri’s move, as it has to negotiate an exit fee, and there is a concern among Big 12 teams about how to fill the void in their schedules that Missouri would leave. That creates two problems, as universities will have to scramble to find another opponent, perhaps from the Football Championship Subdivision. A victory over a team from that level would not count toward a Big 12 member’s bowl eligibility. It will also cause the Big 12 to fall short of fulfilling its television contract. Both could be costly for the league.

The SEC made it very clear during its courtship with Texas A&M that it would only accept the Aggies without legal issues, so Missouri must take care of those before joining.

The Big East now moves toward putting together its proposed 12-team model; it hopes to add Air Force, Navy and Boise State in football and Houston, Southern Methodist and Central Florida in all sports. With West Virginia gone, the new team most likely to emerge as a possible member would be Temple, which has received resistance from its Philadelphia rival Villanova. But with the league’s future in peril, it is hard to imagine that Villanova would have enough influence to thwart Temple, which boasts a rising football program, a strong basketball program and the Philadelphia television market. East Carolina and Memphis would be other candidates. Both have openly lobbied to join the Big East in the past.

Awesome upgrade here!

Pants
10-25-2011, 10:50 AM
Awesome upgrade here!

Yeah, just sucks that they're so far away. :(

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 10:51 AM
Yeah, just sucks that they're so far away. :(

Instantly the most scenic area of the Big XII after Colorado left.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 10:52 AM
Does this mean that MU started the whole conference realignment 15 years ago with it's initial flirting with the Big 10?


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Deseret News, The (Salt Lake City, UT) - January 16, 1993

MISSOURI INTERESTED IN JUMPING TO THE BIG TEN


<table border="0" width="100%"><tbody> <tr> <td>
</td><td class="basic-title" colspan="2">When University of Missouri officials talk about the Tigers' athletic future as it relates to the Big Eight, they use words like ``content'' and ``satisfied.'' They bring out the superlatives when that future is related to the Big Ten.``The Big Ten is uniformly high-quality public research universities,'' Chancellor Charles Kiesler said. ``That's what we think we are. When we...

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I believe that both Kansas and Missouri were trying to join together.

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 10:54 AM
Why would adding another team force anyone to drop a non-con?

If they stick to 4 non-con games and play 6 'divisional' games, they have their 'rival' game against the other division and an additional non-rival game across the division (crosses fingers; hopes for Ole Miss...).

Sooner or later they'll likely switch to 9 conference games and 3 non-con, but absolutely nothing that happens over the next couple of weeks would mandate that.

Yeah, it probably is just a simple process of 'insert Missouri here'; especially since it would actually make conference scheduling much easier on balance. They could have it knocked out in a matter of hours, really. A computer algorithm would spit out a bunch of alternatives, they'd probably be able to boot several of them out immediately and have a schedule voted on and finalized by the end of the day.

It wouldn't be that difficult at all.

OK, but that is predicated on "ifs". I remeber reading that the conference schedule finalizations were coming up, which I believe what prompted Neinas to say he didn't think MU would be able to leave for next year, to which Alden said they still could. Also, the official word out of the conferences so far is that they haven't made a 14 team schedule (although I highly doubt that). Without knowing the structure of that schedule, there could indeed be deadlines, but they could be internal deadlines like, "If they join by this date, we'll do this, this date, we'll do this, and then by this date, they'll just have to wait until next year".

My point is, the SEC wants to get things finalized as well and I'm sure they are working with MU in determining when they would like this business finished up, to which, I'm sure MU is trying to comply. The Big XII isn't going to do anything to appear as though they are pushing them out, so most of the time constraints are on MU.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 10:55 AM
Awesome upgrade here!

Big time upgrade. Wonder why both the ACC and SEC rejected them since they're such an upgrade.

I guess the conference didn't suffer any damages since they were able to upgrade. Everybody wins.

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 10:57 AM
Big time upgrade. Wonder why both the ACC and SEC rejected them since they're such an upgrade.

I guess the conference didn't suffer any damages since they were able to upgrade. Everybody wins.

A win/win!

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 11:00 AM
PLEASE GOD BE TRUE

BigCatDaddy
10-25-2011, 11:02 AM
Instantly the most scenic area of the Big XII after Colorado left.

And until BYU is persuaded to join.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 11:03 AM
And until BYU is persuaded to join.

I want BYU for its media outlets...

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 11:05 AM
I want BYU for its media outlets...

That's like wanting Texas for the LHN.

notorious
10-25-2011, 11:07 AM
I am good with the move as long as they don't have a "We think we are important" attitude.


That shit gets old real fast.

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 11:07 AM
Awesome upgrade here!

If WVU was an upgrade then the SEC would want them. The SEC doesn't.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 11:08 AM
That's like wanting Texas for the LHN.

Yeah pretty much that but not even close...

BYU has a channel on DTV on the Sports Teir and a radio network on siriusxm.

Pants
10-25-2011, 11:09 AM
If WVU was an upgrade then the SEC would want them. The SEC doesn't.

The program is most definitely an upgrade. I'm not sure about the TV sets, though.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 11:10 AM
If WVU was an upgrade then the SEC would want them. The SEC doesn't.

The ACC took Pitt.

:LOL:

Performance on the field means very little.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 11:11 AM
Yeah pretty much that but not even close...

BYU has a channel on DTV on the Sports Teir and a radio network on siriusxm.

How does that help the rest of the conference?

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 11:12 AM
The ACC took Pitt.

:LOL:

Performance on the field means very little.

Yeah, the SEC doesn't care about its football brand.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 11:13 AM
How does that help the rest of the conference?

What conference are you talking about?

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 11:14 AM
The ACC took Pitt.

:LOL:

Performance on the field means very little.

The ACC is a joke.

Pants
10-25-2011, 11:14 AM
What conference are you talking about?

Big12 if BYU joins. Not that hard to follow, man. :)

sedated
10-25-2011, 11:15 AM
If WVU was an upgrade then the SEC would want them. The SEC doesn't.

unlike some of the other moves, this choice sounded like it actually had to do with academics. Mizzou=good, WV-bad, and the SEC needed that sort of upgrade unlike all the other conferences.

WV competes in both football and basketball, its an upgrade IMHO. if it weren't for the KU/MU rivalry, it would be a no-brainer.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 11:17 AM
Big12 if BYU joins. Not that hard to follow, man. :)

Damn dude, seriously? Why would he care about the Big 12 and its media rights.

I know what conference he is talking about, I know what angel he is using trying to talk about Texas and its LHN.

Pants
10-25-2011, 11:19 AM
Damn dude, seriously? Why would he care about the Big 12 and its media rights.

I know what conference he is talking about, I know what angel he is using trying to talk about Texas and its LHN.

But why do you want BUY for their media outlets? How would BYU having it's own radio/TV channels benefit the B12?

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 11:19 AM
unlike some of the other moves, this choice sounded like it actually had to do with academics. Mizzou=good, WV-bad, and the SEC needed that sort of upgrade unlike all the other conferences.

WV competes in both football and basketball, its an upgrade IMHO. if it weren't for the KU/MU rivalry, it would be a no-brainer.

Needed an academic upgrade? Does the Big XII now require an academic upgrade since they will only have 2 AAU schools and will add a very poor academic university in WV?

WVU is more accomplished and has a richer football history than Mizzou. That being said, Mizzou has been on the upswing and WVU hasn't exactly dominated a weak conference the past 5 years.

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 11:20 AM
The program is most definitely an upgrade. I'm not sure about the TV sets, though.

That's correct. TV market share is not as good as Missouri, which is why I think the Big XII needs to look at going back to 12. That's the reason the SEC wants MU, they want to start a network like the B!G and they need the market share.

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 11:22 AM
Needed an academic upgrade? Does the Big XII now require an academic upgrade since they will only have 2 AAU schools and will add a very poor academic university in WV?

WVU is more accomplished and has a richer football history than Mizzou. That being said, Mizzou has been on the upswing and WVU hasn't exactly dominated a weak conference the past 5 years.

They have three, KU, ISU and UT. Mizzou's upswing (if you can call it that this year) is in serious jeapordy as they will try and transition to new recruiting grounds while losing influence in Texas.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 11:22 AM
Damn dude, seriously? Why would he care about the Big 12 and its media rights.

I know what conference he is talking about, I know what angel he is using trying to talk about Texas and its LHN.

I don't understand how the Big XII would benefit from BYU's media deal. As a KU fan, you said you were excited about its media outlets. I don't see how KU stands to benefit.

I don't think they do, but you seem to see it differently. I'm cusious as to what I might be missing, as I don't know a lot about the situation. From where I sit, it's the LHN with magic underpants instead of a belt buckle.

Bambi
10-25-2011, 11:23 AM
The deals are done.

Check the logos

ChiefsCountry
10-25-2011, 11:23 AM
Needed an academic upgrade? Does the Big XII now require an academic upgrade since they will only have 2 AAU schools and will add a very poor academic university in WV?

Big 12 will have 3 AAU's after Mizzou leaves - Texas, KU, and Iowa St.

Bambi
10-25-2011, 11:23 AM
The deals are done.

Check the logos

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 11:31 AM
I don't understand how the Big XII would benefit from BYU's media deal. As a KU fan, you said you were excited about its media outlets. I don't see how KU stands to benefit.

I don't think they do, but you seem to see it differently. I'm cusious as to what I might be missing, as I don't know a lot about the situation. From where I sit, it's the LHN with magic underpants instead of a belt buckle.

I'm not enamored with BYU either. I'd rather see them take Cincinnati and Louisville. They lose two major cities in KC, MO and St. Louis and are replacing it with Morgantown. Adding those two city schools gets a presence in major cities as well as new recruiting states. Utah is not a recruiting hotbed.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 11:40 AM
They have three, KU, ISU and UT. Mizzou's upswing (if you can call it that this year) is in serious jeapordy as they will try and transition to new recruiting grounds while losing influence in Texas.

But WVU should transition seamlessly as they replace the dregs of the Big East with the Oklahoma and Texas schools.

And over the last five years WVU has won 49 games in the craptastic Big East versus Mizzou 48 in the same timespan.

Let's not even get into WVU's inability to admit the SEC academic casualties now that they have to operate under a real conference's academic requirements....

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 11:40 AM
Mizzou's upswing (if you can call it that this year) is in serious jeapordy as they will try and transition to new recruiting grounds while losing influence in Texas.

This factor has been severely overstated.

If Missouri were going somewhere else (Big Ten, Big East, PAC) it apparently would be an issue. Actual research and conversations with Texas recruits show that moving to the SEC is not a severe problem for most of them.

There are a few guys the Tigers will miss on (probably 1-2 a year) because they're in the SEC rather than the Big 12, but projecting a drastic drop-off is not based in fact.

I was beating this drum before I embraced the move, but the facts aren't on its side.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 11:45 AM
But WVU should transition seamlessly as they replace the dregs of the Big East with the Oklahoma and Texas schools.

And over the last five years WVU has won 49 games in the craptastic Big East versus Mizzou 48 in the same timespan.

Let's not even get into WVU's inability to admit the SEC academic casualties now that they have to operate under a real conference's academic requirements....

Yeah, West Virginia has benefited greatly from playing in the Big East.

Recent conference titles:

2003 (8-5, 6-1)
2004 (8-4, 4-2)
2005 (11-1, 7-0)
2007 (11-2, 5-2)
2010 (9-3, 5-2)

Missouri - along with several other Big 12 schools - could have done just as well. The Tigers likely win the Big East in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 and would have been right there in 2009 (when I believe flippin' UCONN won the league).

Their basketball program is unarguably better than Mizzou's (though that probably doesn't last past Huggy bear and probably takes a hit playing in the Big 12-2-1-1+? with less ties to New York), but their football program is perceived as better only because they've dominated a cupcake league.

HolyHandgernade
10-25-2011, 11:45 AM
This factor has been severely overstated.

If Missouri were going somewhere else (Big Ten, Big East, PAC) it apparently would be an issue. Actual research and conversations with Texas recruits show that moving to the SEC is not a severe problem for most of them.

There are a few guys the Tigers will miss on (probably 1-2 a year) because they're in the SEC rather than the Big 12, but projecting a drastic drop-off is not based in fact.

I was beating this drum before I embraced the move, but the facts aren't on its side.

Well, when Arkansas moved to the SEC, their Texas recruiting dropped off dramatically.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 11:47 AM
But WVU should transition seamlessly as they replace the dregs of the Big East with the Oklahoma and Texas schools.

And over the last five years WVU has won 49 games in the craptastic Big East versus Mizzou 48 in the same timespan.

Let's not even get into WVU's inability to admit the SEC academic casualties now that they have to operate under a real conference's academic requirements....

West Virginia's athletics stand to take a hit. Travel will suck, and no more partial qualifiers spells trouble.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 11:53 AM
Well, when Arkansas moved to the SEC, their Texas recruiting dropped off dramatically.

How are they doing now? 15 years ago, the SEC wasn't the dominant football conference that it is today.

kchero
10-25-2011, 11:55 AM
Good pick up for the Big Leftover conference compared to what teams are available. For those of you who think it is an upgrade over Mizzou are kidding yourselfs. Let's be honest, if Kansas was in the Big East, they would rack up twice as many wins in that weak football conference.
Other than that though, I am curious to see if they stay at 10 or add some more of these city schools to put them back to 12.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 11:56 AM
You can pretty much add on "I hope" to a lot of HH's posts that have predictions about Mizzou.

They are more legit that way.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 12:21 PM
Well, when Arkansas moved to the SEC, their Texas recruiting dropped off dramatically.

Some facts that would be helpful in that analysis...

1) The period around joining the SEC (1991) was a low part in Arkansas football because of coaching turmoil. Jack Crowe was an unmitigated disaster, and was fired after losing a game to The Citadel in 1992. They played out the string with an interim coach in 1992 and then brought in Danny Ford, who was washed up and had been retired before coming to Arkansas.

Hard to maintain recruiting ties when you go through four coaches in a four-year span.

2) TV was different back then . The SEC was not on TV as much, and didn't have the reach on ESPN and CBS it currently does.

3) The brand was different. The SEC, while being a great conference, was not yet the clear and undisputed best overall conference like it is now.

4) There was not a team in Texas in the SEC for Arkansas to regularly play. The SWC was still in existence, and Rice, SMU, Houston, etc. were much bigger players for Texas players than currently, in addition to UT, aTm, Oklahoma, Baylor, Tech.

It's a different situation for Missouri than it was for Arkansas. The Tigers enter the SEC with a strong, established coach, a program that - 2011 hiccup aside - is in the best shape it has been since the 1960s. From all indications, Texas A&M will be Missouri's cross-division rival, so they'll be in Texas frequently. And the SEC is all over the place as far as TV broadcasts.

I like the idea of playing from the SEC East, with aTm as the cross-division rival, for recruiting purposes, too. Having home-and-away with Georgia and Florida gives the Tigers the chance to do the same thing in those states it has in Texas - mine overlooked kids to build the athleticism of the roster.

I'd expect the Tigers to land a few more in-state kids, get a few less from Texas, and shift emphasis from Oklahoma to beefing up efforts in Florida and Louisiana and Georgia.

Mr. Laz
10-25-2011, 12:39 PM
West Virginia to Big 12 (if it hasn't been posted yet)

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-25-2011, 12:52 PM
I hope the Big 12 stays at 10. I want to see K-State play in Fort Worth every other year. And once a year in BB.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 12:53 PM
Yeah, West Virginia has benefited greatly from playing in the Big East.

Recent conference titles:

2003 (8-5, 6-1)
2004 (8-4, 4-2)
2005 (11-1, 7-0)
2007 (11-2, 5-2)
2010 (9-3, 5-2)

Missouri - along with several other Big 12 schools - could have done just as well. The Tigers likely win the Big East in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 and would have been right there in 2009 (when I believe flippin' UCONN won the league).

Their basketball program is unarguably better than Mizzou's (though that probably doesn't last past Huggy bear and probably takes a hit playing in the Big 12-2-1-1+? with less ties to New York), but their football program is perceived as better only because they've dominated a cupcake league.

Mizzou played in the Big XII North + 3 rotating south games. Is it that much different than the Big East?

I would buy your argument if Mizzou won the Big XII. Ever.

...or if they won the Big 8 since I was born.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 12:55 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7148200/big-12-accept-west-virginia-mountaineers-early-tuesday-source-says


Source: Big 12 to accept WVU soon


The Big 12 has told West Virginia it will be accepted into the conference pending formal approval, which could happen as soon as later Tuesday, a Big 12 source said.

Earlier Tuesday, multiple media reports said that West Virginia was headed from the Big East to the Big 12.

West Virginia will be accepted into the conference as a replacement for Missouri, which the conference believes is departing for the SEC. However, according to the source, West Virginia's acceptance into the Big 12 is not contingent on Missouri leaving.

The only thing holding up Missouri's departure is legal concerns, according to multiple reports.

The Big 12 still wants Missouri to play in the conference next season, as to not open the possibility of television renegotiations if the league were to drop to nine teams. The conference feels comfortable at 10 teams but still will consider 12 teams in the future, the source said.

The Big 12 is adding West Virginia because of its football strength, having finished in the BCS standings in four of the past five years, as well as the men's basketball program having reached the NCAA tournament six of the past seven years.

The Big East could try to keep West Virginia for up to 27 months and negotiations on that point would figure to ensue.

At a Big 12 board of directors meeting on Monday, the conference urged Missouri to stay -- and Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, who had been given permission by the university's governing body to make decisions on the future of the university's athletic program, did not inform the conference that Missouri intended to leave.

But late Monday, Deaton gave some clue as to Missouri's intentions, giving a statement to KOMU-TV in Columbia, Mo., in which he wished the Big 12 "the best and all of that."

"There's no delays here at all," he said, referring to the school's step toward leaving the Big 12. "There's some very specific things that have to be addressed. We want to address those. We really can't rush these things. These are things you can't rush."

The Big 12 also is discussing a conference media network, which a source said could even include content, if not games, related to the University of Texas, which founded its own Longhorn Network in association with ESPN.
Neither conference would confirm Monday that West Virginia was moving from the Big East to the Big 12.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:00 PM
Mizzou played in the Big XII North + 3 rotating south games. Is it that much different than the Big East?

I would buy your argument if Mizzou won the Big XII. Ever.

...or if they won the Big 8 since I was born.

You're absolutely correct.

Congratulations on your upgrade, I'm sure you'll all be very very happy together.

Dueces.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 01:03 PM
Mizzou played in the Big XII North + 3 rotating south games. Is it that much different than the Big East?

I would buy your argument if Mizzou won the Big XII. Ever.

...or if they won the Big 8 since I was born.

It's a lot different, in that Texas and Oklahoma is always on Missouri's schedule.

The point is that the Big East, in addition to not having as many teams or a conference championship game, is a much, much easier league than the Big 12.

There's been no one in that league during West Virginia's run that can compare to Texas or Oklahoma. Since Miami and Va. Tech bailed, the Big East has been basically the Big 12 North division.

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 01:04 PM
Getting WV is pretty exciting. That would be a big improvement to the conference.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:05 PM
It's a lot different, in that Texas and Oklahoma is always on Missouri's schedule.

The point is that the Big East, in addition to not having as many teams or a conference championship game, is a much, much easier league than the Big 12.

There's been no one in that league during West Virginia's run that can compare to Texas or Oklahoma. Since Miami and Va. Tech bailed, the Big East has been basically the Big 12 North division.


Awesome, so we'll have a team that can routinely win the Big 12 North.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:08 PM
Mizzou played in the Big XII North + 3 rotating south games. Is it that much different than the Big East?


Seriously? This is a pretty dumb statement coming from you.

Who in the Big East matched UT or OU? Who in the Big East matched Tech, A&M, and/or OSU at various points over the last few years?

Hell, Nebraska was down by their standards and would have bentover the Big East conference with Bill f'n Callahan.

You're trying way too hard.

Pants
10-25-2011, 01:10 PM
You're absolutely correct.

Congratulations on your upgrade, I'm sure you'll all be very very happy together.

Dueces.

Jeez, man.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:10 PM
West Virginia sucks, and that's why every good conference turned them down.

So in that regard, they should fit in perfectly with the Big 12-2-2/Big Leftover/Losers and Leftovers/Middle 12.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:12 PM
So in that regard, they should fit in perfectly with the Big 12-2-2/Big Leftover/Losers and Leftovers/Middle 12.


Butthurt.

Pants
10-25-2011, 01:12 PM
West Virginia sucks, and that's why every good conference turned them down.

So in that regard, they should fit in perfectly with the Big 12-2-2/Big Leftover/Losers and Leftovers/Middle 12.

Yep. I'm pretty happy with the replacement (minus the whole distance thing).

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-25-2011, 01:13 PM
I'm glad this thread made it back to butthurt.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 01:13 PM
Yep. I'm pretty happy with the replacement (minus the whole distance thing).

butthurt.

Ballsack!

Pants
10-25-2011, 01:13 PM
Butthurt.

Not as much as DJ, but, yeah, it's palpable.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 01:14 PM
West Virginia sucks, and that's why every good conference turned them down.

So in that regard, they should fit in perfectly with the Big 12-2-2/Big Leftover/Losers and Leftovers/Middle 12.

Leftovers and Losers? Is that the Big IIX's version of Legends and Leaders?

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 01:14 PM
Why in the hell would the Big 12 allow Notre Dame to join minus the sport that counts?

Bambi
10-25-2011, 01:14 PM
Getting WV is pretty exciting. That would be a big improvement to the conference.

Life just got a lot tougher for KU in football with the additions of TCU and perhaps WVU.

Not looking forward to it...

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-25-2011, 01:15 PM
Life just got a lot tougher for KU in football with the additions of TCU and perhaps WVU.

Not looking forward to it...

It's not like KU is going to beat aTm or MIZZOU this year.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:17 PM
Why in the hell would the Big 12 allow Notre Dame to join minus the sport that counts?


I asked the same question earlier today - someone responded with the answer that when ND is forced into a conference, the one that has their other sports will have a leg up on everyone else.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Leftovers and Losers? Is that the Big IIX's version of Legends and Leaders?

Stupid Racist Hicks
Vanderbilt

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Lot of butthurt MU fans in here lately.

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Leftovers and Losers? Is that the Big IIX's version of Legends and Leaders?

Oh it is on now. :LOL:

In a couple years you are going to be intimately familiar with that good old "deliverance" feeling.

the Talking Can
10-25-2011, 01:18 PM
apropos of nothing, 810 reporting that Kemper arena is going to be blown up

Bambi
10-25-2011, 01:19 PM
It's not like KU is going to beat aTm or MIZZOU this year.

Probably not.

But the fact is that TCU and WVU are superior football programs to the two schools leaving.

oh well, they'll figure it out

Los Pollos Hermanos
10-25-2011, 01:19 PM
apropos of nothing, 810 reporting that Kemper arena is going to be blown up

I blame Texas.

bevischief
10-25-2011, 01:19 PM
apropos of nothing, 810 reporting that Kemper arena is going to be blown up

About time...

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 01:20 PM
Life just got a lot tougher for KU in football with the additions of TCU and perhaps WVU.

Not looking forward to it...

No joke there. Just went from 0-7 to 0-9.

KChiefs1
10-25-2011, 01:20 PM
The Big 12 is getting better everyday!!!!!!!

bevischief
10-25-2011, 01:20 PM
apropos of nothing, 810 reporting that Kemper arena is going to be blown up

Make sure Cassel is inside...

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:21 PM
Hopefully KU is smart and uses the money they get from the MU exit fees to buy out Gills contract.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Not as much as DJ, but, yeah, it's palpable.

Hardly.

You guys got a solid program. Many of you think they're an upgrade over Mizzou.

I personally don't give a large rats ass one way or the other, so I'm simply acknowledging that it's not worth the argument. You fellas believe you've upgraded, so it's a win/win for all involved. Fantastic.

As previously stated - congrats.

Now if you need me, I'll be packing my shit for a better neighborhood.

kchero
10-25-2011, 01:22 PM
apropos of nothing, 810 reporting that Kemper arena is going to be blown up

Symbolic to the Big XII-2-1-1+1+1 presence in Kansas City.

Mr. Laz
10-25-2011, 01:23 PM
Lot of butthurt MU fans in here lately.

They wanted the Big 12 to die when they left so they could feel important.

Pants
10-25-2011, 01:23 PM
Hopefully KU is smart and uses the money they get from the MU exit fees to buy out Gills contract.

Sources say the money is already in the banking collecting interest. Zenger gets the authority to fire folks on Jan. 1.

kchero
10-25-2011, 01:24 PM
I do not see this as an upgrade. If WV was an upgrade over Mizzou they would have not been kicked to the curb by the SEC.

kstater
10-25-2011, 01:24 PM
I asked the same question earlier today - someone responded with the answer that when ND is forced into a conference, the one that has their other sports will have a leg up on everyone else.

Plus the 4-6 footbal games they'll play against league teams.

bevischief
10-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Hopefully KU is smart and uses the money they get from the MU exit fees to buy out Gills contract.

Good luck with that thought...

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Butthurt.

Ballsack.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Sources say the money is already in the banking collecting interest. Zenger gets the authority to fire folks on Jan. 1.

Awesome.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:25 PM
Good luck with that thought...

A guy can dream....we'll find out after the first of the year.

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 01:26 PM
So what happens if MU decides to stick around now?

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:26 PM
apropos of nothing, 810 reporting that Kemper arena is going to be blown up

First casualty of Mizzou leaving the Big 12.

kstater
10-25-2011, 01:27 PM
So what happens if MU decides to stick around now?

Combination of backtracking and hilarity.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Hardly.

You guys got a solid program. Many of you think they're an upgrade over Mizzou.

I personally don't give a large rats ass one way or the other, so I'm simply acknowledging that it's not worth the argument. You fellas believe you've upgraded, so it's a win/win for all involved. Fantastic.

As previously stated - congrats.

Now if you need me, I'll be packing my shit for a better neighborhood.

Time to take the fine china out of its box from the basement. The poor people are finally gone!

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 01:29 PM
Seriously? This is a pretty dumb statement coming from you.

Who in the Big East matched UT or OU? Who in the Big East matched Tech, A&M, and/or OSU at various points over the last few years?

Hell, Nebraska was down by their standards and would have bentover the Big East conference with Bill f'n Callahan.

You're trying way too hard.

No one, but that's not the point. Mizzou has played for the Big XII title twice. Neither was competitive. Hell, in 2007, arguably Mizzou's best year in the last 40 years, OU went on to lose to West Virginia in the Fiesta Bowl. Badly.

Yeah, Mizzou would have been more competitive in the Big East - but not by leaps and bounds. They weren't that competitive in the Big XII.

Mr. Laz
10-25-2011, 01:29 PM
So what happens if MU decides to stick around now?
Then WV is definitely an upgrade over A&M imo

I imagine the Big12 really starts looking to get another team to make 12 too.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:29 PM
So what happens if MU decides to stick around now?

KU/KSU fans:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4JRsylA0sBEn6Q8tvvKTfVAYwApb520Xa2JCvJ9LdBjPDODnXWuL4fmia

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 01:30 PM
So what happens if MU decides to stick around now?

I'd rather not consider that scenario.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:30 PM
At least we won't have to miss the first part of the KU Big Monday games when the Big East implodes.

evenfall
10-25-2011, 01:30 PM
Probably not.

But the fact is that TCU and WVU are superior football programs to the two schools leaving.

oh well, they'll figure it out

According to prevailing logic, this is horrible for the existing teams. The conference is getting harder to play in. How will KU and KSU survive having to play Texas, Oklahoma, ISU, TCU, and WV? The path to victory is to keep yourself in an AQ conference that is as easy as possible, right?

The "figuring out" will be when UT and OU leave, as they have been persistently trying to do for years...

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 01:30 PM
Now if you need me, I'll be packing my shit for a better neighborhood.

Moving out of Columbia? :D

kchero
10-25-2011, 01:32 PM
Then WV is definitely an upgrade over A&M imo

I imagine the Big12 really starts looking to get another team to make 12 too.

That would be interesting....forcing their way to make a new Big XII North and South again against the desires of UT and OU.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:32 PM
No one, but that's not the point. Mizzou has played for the Big XII title twice. Neither was competitive. Hell, in 2007, arguably Mizzou's best year in the last 40 years, OU went on to lose to West Virginia in the Fiesta Bowl. Badly.

Yeah, Mizzou would have been more competitive in the Big East - but not by leaps and bounds. They weren't that competitive in the Big XII.

Not by leaps and bounds? Mizzou would have won the Big East multiple times. Hell, Ron Prince would have won the Big East. It has been an absolute joke of a league.

Justifying whether a league is good or not based one OU bowl game is a leap even you can't justifiably take.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 01:33 PM
According to prevailing logic, this is horrible for the existing teams. The conference is getting harder to play in. How will KU and KSU survive having to play Texas, Oklahoma, ISU, TCU, and WV? The path to victory is to keep yourself in an AQ conference that is as easy as possible, right?

The "figuring out" will be when UT and OU leave, as they have been persistently trying to do for years...
KU fans don't care. Basketball school.

K-State, I think we'll manage to live on borrowed time until Snyders "Contract from Below" runs out.

kchero
10-25-2011, 01:34 PM
Well in a way I am happy the Big East will fold as a conference in regards to football. Having them as an AQ was a joke for the past few years.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:35 PM
So what happens if MU decides to stick around now?

It's a conditional offer.

If MU doesn't go, the IIX stays at 10 teams and continues to suck.

If we leave, you guys get WVU and expand to 12 teams (which was where I wanted to be in the first place, but whatever).

See? Win/win.

But really, KSU fans and KU fans will still want to say the MU folks are butthurt or some shit like that. I'm not sure why - we got exactly what we were after. Near as I can tell, the MU fans are elated.

As to the rest of the IIX; y'all can have it.

mnchiefsguy
10-25-2011, 01:36 PM
It's a conditional offer.

If MU doesn't go, the IIX stays at 10 teams and continues to suck.

If we leave, you guys get WVU and expand to 12 teams (which was where I wanted to be in the first place, but whatever).

See? Win/win.

But really, KSU fans and KU fans will still want to say the MU folks are butthurt or some shit like that. I'm not sure why - we got exactly what we were after. Near as I can tell, the MU fans are elated.

As to the rest of the IIX; y'all can have it.

Some sources as saying it is not a conditional offer, that WVU will join whether Mizzou stays or goes. Could make things interesting.

BigCatDaddy
10-25-2011, 01:37 PM
I'm loving these moves. If we can get BYU and Louisville then the conference is signifcantly better in football and basketball. There should be some great new rivalries and interesting matchups coming our way.

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 01:38 PM
This thread got some burst back, even though the AIDs is showing.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 01:39 PM
I asked the same question earlier today - someone responded with the answer that when ND is forced into a conference, the one that has their other sports will have a leg up on everyone else.

That worked out well for the Big East.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:40 PM
Chip Brown just reported that MU is to leave for the SEC in 2013.

Well, hopefully that saved them a few million.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 01:40 PM
Not by leaps and bounds? Mizzou would have won the Big East multiple times. Hell, Ron Prince would have won the Big East. It has been an absolute joke of a league.

Justifying whether a league is good or not based one OU bowl game is a leap even you can't justifiably take.

Ron Prince got his shit pushed in multiple times by Big East teams.

Meh - I think Mizzou would have won the title once or twice in the Big East. That would be much better than what they've done in the Big XII.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:40 PM
This thread got some burst back, even though the AIDs is showing.


Butthurt.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 01:41 PM
Well in a way I am happy the Big East will fold as a conference in regards to football. Having them as an AQ was a joke for the past few years.

Yea having success in it doesn't mean a whole lot.

mnchiefsguy
10-25-2011, 01:41 PM
According to KK, aTm is blackballed in Texas now and aTm is "pulling their hair out" trying to recruit their own state.

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 01:42 PM
Butthurt.

The Aids is strong in this thread.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:42 PM
Yea having success in it doesn't mean a whole lot.

Much like the Big 12 North?

Bambi
10-25-2011, 01:42 PM
wow, callers getting sentimental.

MU should really look themselves in the mirror.

Pretty sad.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 01:42 PM
SEC turned down West Virginia, but that institution is an upgrade from A&M and Mizzou. Yeah...

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/386197_o.gif

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:42 PM
The Aids is strong in this thread.


Butthurt.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 01:44 PM
Chip Brown just reported that MU is to leave for the SEC in 2013.

Well, hopefully that saved them a few million.

The farewell tour should be pretty hilarious. Your athletic programs are going to suck taint the next 2 years. :thumb:

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 01:46 PM
Butthurt.

The Ballsack is strong in this thread. Butthurt and Aids as well.

Mr. Laz
10-25-2011, 01:46 PM
KU/KSU fans:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4JRsylA0sBEn6Q8tvvKTfVAYwApb520Xa2JCvJ9LdBjPDODnXWuL4fmia
I think MU fans have gotten things seriously mixed up. Most KU/KSU fans don't really give a crap about MU ... they can DIAF. We just want the television markets, we don't really care where they come from. If the Big12 replaces the MU markets with something comparable then MU can hit the bricks and most KU/KSU fans won't blink twice about it.

MU is a shit hole and large portion of their fanbase is comprised of assholes.


Bring on some new blood.

BigCatDaddy
10-25-2011, 01:47 PM
According to KK, aTm is blackballed in Texas now and aTm is "pulling their hair out" trying to recruit their own state.

In what way are they black balled?

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 01:47 PM
wow, callers getting sentimental.

MU should really look themselves in the mirror.

Pretty sad.

Missouri fans are overwhelmingly for this movie. Feed back to the University as well as sentiment amongst pretty much every group of fans I have seen backs this up.

I know you are not a big fan of reality though. You never have been.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 01:48 PM
I think MU fans have gotten things seriously mixed up. Most KU/KSU fans don't really give a crap about MU ... they can DIAF. We just want the television markets, we don't really care where they come from. If the Big12 replaces the MU markets with something comparable then MU can hit the bricks and most KU/KSU fans won't blink twice about it.

MU is a shit hole and large portion of their fanbase is comprised of assholes.


Bring on some new blood.

But...but...but...YOU POSTED IN THIS THREAD!

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 01:48 PM
If the Big12 replaces the MU markets with something comparable then MU
Heh, go on...

mnchiefsguy
10-25-2011, 01:48 PM
In what way are they black balled?

KK did not really say, he said something about other coaches of Texas schools targeting aTm, but nothing specific was cited by KK.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:48 PM
wow, callers getting sentimental.

MU should really look themselves in the mirror.

Pretty sad.

At some point we may be able to convince you that the KC area MU fans are little more than a significant minority of the MU fanbase at large.

Seriously - "MU" consists of a hell of a lot more people than the folks in KC that are going to be crushed by leaving. Columbia, MO is loving this. The St. Louis area fans are loving this.

If you're outside of the Kansas City area you simply do not care that they're leaving these rivalries behind.

In KC it's about a 50/50 split. Outside of KC, it's an 8-2 at best.

But I'm sure Kevin Keitzman is all to willing to give you the view of the common Missouri fan. He's clearly tuned in with them.

Bambi
10-25-2011, 01:48 PM
So what happens if MU decides to stick around now?

Put up banners and fill trophy cases.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Much like the Big 12 North?

No. Nothing like the Big 12 North.

UCONN was their champ last year....UCONN.

Bambi
10-25-2011, 01:50 PM
At some point we may be able to convince you that the KC area MU fans are little more than a significant minority of the MU fanbase at large.

Seriously - "MU" consists of a hell of a lot more people than the folks in KC that are going to be crushed by leaving. Columbia, MO is loving this. The St. Louis area fans are loving this.

If you're outside of the Kansas City area you simply do not care that they're leaving these rivalries behind.

In KC it's about a 50/50 split. Outside of KC, it's an 8-2 at best.

But I'm sure Kevin Keitzman is all to willing to give you the view of the common Missouri fan. He's clearly tuned in with them.

I admit I don't know but just how big is MU sports in St. Louis?

Is KK right in saying that the Cardinals and Rams are miles ahead of the Tigers when it comes to attention? More of an east coast scenario?

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 01:51 PM
MU should really look themselves in the mirror.


(Insert handsome man image.)

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:51 PM
But really, KSU fans and KU fans will still want to say the MU folks are butthurt or some shit like that. I'm not sure why - we got exactly what we were after. Near as I can tell, the MU fans are elated.

As to the rest of the IIX; y'all can have it.

Isn't it obvious?

Mizzou fans are butthurt because we've been trying desperately to get out of this shithole conference and join a better one that is more lucrative. Well now we are going to the SEC, the best athletic conference in the country, where we could make $30-40MM more annually in a stable conference.

We will also be part of the SEC Network which will significantly increase exposure and revenues. Not to mention the benefit of recruiting the talent-rich Southeast, playing annual games against the most tradition-laden programs in the country, joining the SEC Academic Consortium, etc.

It's terrible. Truly terrible.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:51 PM
(Insert handsome man image with a ballsack on his forehead.)


FYP. :p

Old Dog
10-25-2011, 01:51 PM
I may have a different thought on a good part of this but if it were ONLY about football then WVU may be better to have than Mizzou. Basketball, while not an important piece of the puzzle is in favor of WVU (at least lately).
Academics is a landslide victory in favor of Mizzou.
The main thing we lose when Mizzou leaves is the television sets, and I honestly believe that the SEC wants them more for this piece of the equation than their football program.

Do I WANT to see Mizzou leave? No, but I don't think the Big XII is going to go under because of it.
I hate seeing the old rivalries die, but things change.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 01:52 PM
I admit I don't know

Thanks.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:52 PM
I admit I don't know but just how big is MU sports in St. Louis?

Is KK right in saying that the Cardinals and Rams are miles ahead of the Tigers when it comes to attention? More of an east coast scenario?

The Cardinals are, yes. The Cardinals are more important than murders and wars in St. Louis.

He's dead wrong about the Rams. Hell, the Blues might be ahead of the Rams. The Rams are popular in STL when they're good and that's it.

St. Louis is very much a major Mizzou town. It's not an MU/KU town (they don't really care about the rivalry; it's about on par with MU/Illinois over there), but it's absolutely a major MU town.

mnchiefsguy
10-25-2011, 01:53 PM
I admit I don't know but just how big is MU sports in St. Louis?

Is KK right in saying that the Cardinals and Rams are miles ahead of the Tigers when it comes to attention? More of an east coast scenario?

Bolded part is the first correct thing you have said in this entire thread.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:53 PM
where we could make $30-40MM more annually in a stable conference.


$30-40 Million MORE than you would make in the Big 12?

rageeumr
10-25-2011, 01:54 PM
Missouri fans are overwhelmingly for this movie. Feed back to the University as well as sentiment amongst pretty much every group of fans I have seen backs this up.

I know you are not a big fan of reality though. You never have been.

I know I'm overwhelmingly outnumbered. But I think Mizzou's top 3 options are:

1. A viable Big XII (Adding of a couple good programs like TCU and WVU sure makes them look more viable than it appeared a month ago)

2. B1G. I've posted in this thread before and been told I'm an idiot, but in a perfect world I like how Mizzou fits in the B1G over how they fit in the SEC.

3. SEC.

I think too many fans (and administrators, frankly) are being blinded by the bright lights of the SEC. I don't think it's a good fit culturally or academically and I don't really like the match-ups athletically. I understand the "Big XII is broken let's jump ship while we can" mentality, but I just think the cons overwhelm the pros.

But it looks like we're going. Guess I'm going to have to start liking grits and sweet tea.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 01:54 PM
$30-40 Million MORE than you would make in the Big 12?

Not possible. /KK

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:55 PM
$30-40 Million MORE than you would make in the Big 12?

Can't you see I'm dealing with all this butthurt?

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 01:55 PM
Allowing ND, without its football program, into the Big XII would be a ridiculously big mistake.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 01:56 PM
Not possible (I hope). /KK

FYP

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 01:56 PM
I admit I don't know but just how big is MU sports in St. Louis?

Is KK right in saying that the Cardinals and Rams are miles ahead of the Tigers when it comes to attention? More of an east coast scenario?

You all want proof Kietzmann is making shit up?

Look no further than his claim that the Rams are more important to St. Louis than Mizzou. Absolute, complete and utter bullshit.

The Rams had a halfway decent following in St. Louis when they were the best team in the NFC for like three years. Their following currently is a joke, and enough of one that there is serious discussion they might move cities once again.

I love listening to people who don't live in St. Louis and have never lived in St. Louis talk about Missouri's fan following there. It's good for a nice laugh.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 01:56 PM
Can't you see I'm dealing with all this butthurt?

I'm asking because wasn't it a possible $12 million MORE than you would have made in the Big 12 in the papers released by MU?

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:56 PM
Not possible. /KK

In fairness - it seems damn unlikely.

Mizzou's gonna make more. Mizzou's gonna make quite a bit more. But $30 million more?

I've seen anywhere from $12 - $20 million, but never anywhere near $30-$40 million.

Mr. Laz
10-25-2011, 01:57 PM
Heh, go on...
yea,yea ... the great and all-powerful MU is irreplaceable.


like i said, most MU fans are assholes and won't be missed AT ALL.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 01:59 PM
Can't you see I'm dealing with all this butthurt?

I do think alot of you guys are butthurt over the fact that some of us KU fans are not butthurt that you are leaving..

business is business...

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 01:59 PM
yea,yea ... the great and all-powerful MU is irreplaceable.


like i said, most MU fans are assholes and won't be missed AT ALL.

{Woosh!}

Yeah - we're gonna really be sorry to be rid of the Beakers ourselves. Where oh where will we go to find out what socks match our Birkenstocks? Where will we ever be reminded what a free throw sounds like?

Oh right {Woosh!}. I'll have to write that down before I leave.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 01:59 PM
yea,yea ... the great and all-powerful MU is irreplaceable.


like i said, most MU fans are assholes and won't be missed AT ALL.

Kevin?

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 02:00 PM
yea,yea ... the great and all-powerful MU is irreplaceable.


like i said, most MU fans are assholes and won't be missed AT ALL.

Nobody is saying that. Why are you being so dramatic?

It was just interesting that you mentioned if you replace the TV markets Missouri leaves behind.

I was interested in hearing more about that.

epitome1170
10-25-2011, 02:00 PM
I know I'm overwhelmingly outnumbered. But I think Mizzou's top 3 options are:

1. A viable Big XII (Adding of a couple good programs like TCU and WVU sure makes them look more viable than it appeared a month ago)

2. B1G. I've posted in this thread before and been told I'm an idiot, but in a perfect world I like how Mizzou fits in the B1G over how they fit in the SEC.

3. SEC.

I think too many fans (and administrators, frankly) are being blinded by the bright lights of the SEC. I don't think it's a good fit culturally or academically and I don't really like the match-ups athletically. I understand the "Big XII is broken let's jump ship while we can" mentality, but I just think the cons overwhelm the pros.

But it looks like we're going. Guess I'm going to have to start liking grits and sweet tea.

1. You should like sweet tea anyway... delicious.

2. I think the preference has been the B1G, but with that shit storm that came in last year that is not really a viable option.

3. I personally am now leary of staying in the Big XII because of the possiblity of this same thing happening next year (see last year's fiasco)... the whole conference has given me a sour taste at this point. Additionally, I think it would be a PR nightmere at this point. It has become a point of no return.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 02:00 PM
I do think alot of you guys are butthurt over the fact that some of us KU fans are not butthurt that you are leaving..

business is business...

Yeah, no. We don't care.

Most of us are kinda tired about having to defend bullshit generalizations or outright misrepresentations concerning the beliefs of our fanbase, but that's about it.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 02:01 PM
{Woosh!}

Yeah - we're gonna really be sorry to be rid of the Beakers ourselves. Where or where will we go to find out what socks match our Birkenstocks? Where will we ever be reminded what a free throw sounds like?

Oh right {Woosh!}. I'll have to write that down before I leave.

Don't be mean. Laz is fine if they replace the markets they have lost.

Fine. fine. fine.

evenfall
10-25-2011, 02:01 PM
KU fans don't care. Basketball school.

K-State, I think we'll manage to live on borrowed time until Snyders "Contract from Below" runs out.

I like you guys, I hope it works out that the football program can keep playing well and there is a place at a good table for KSU when all this is over, which I guess won't be until OU/UT find a permanent place imo... Always admired Snyder and have had good dealings with K State fans in the past.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 02:01 PM
Old Man Commissioner:

"The Big XII is stronger now than it's ever been (at least until Texas changes its mind)!"

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 02:02 PM
Old Man Commissioner:

"The Big XII is stronger now than it's ever been (at least until Texas changes its mind)!"

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 02:02 PM
Nobody is saying that. Why are you being so dramatic?

It was just interesting that you mentioned if you replace the TV markets Missouri leaves behind.

I was interested in hearing more about that.

Well they might be able to.

It'll take 3 schools to turn the trick, but they could pull it off.

notorious
10-25-2011, 02:02 PM
Mizzou played in the Big XII North + 3 rotating south games. Is it that much different than the Big East?

I would buy your argument if Mizzou won the Big XII. Ever.

...or if they won the Big 8 since I was born.



Mizzou fans are just upset that there is already a team of their equal sitting in their still warm chair.


And the talk that Mizzou will maintain a consistant Texas recruiting pipeline makes me ROFL.