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Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 03:02 PM
Yeah, no. We don't care.

Most of us are kinda tired about having to defend bullshit generalizations or outright misrepresentations concerning the beliefs of our fanbase, but that's about it.

feeling are mutual buddy...

Most of us really dont give two shits about it. Most of it is made up fabrication by people here..

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:03 PM
I like you guys, I hope it works out that the football program can keep playing well and there is a place at a good table for KSU when all this is over, which I guess won't be until OU/UT find a permanent place imo... Always admired Snyder and have had good dealings with K State fans in the past.

Where are OU and UT going to go? The SEC? The PAC is now out of the question.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 03:03 PM
Mizzou fans are just upset that there is already a team of their equal sitting in their still warm chair.


And the talk that Mizzou will maintain a consistant Texas recruiting pipeline makes me ROFL.

Not that this is the driving factor because it's not, but you do realize that the combined academic standing of the conference has taken a serious hit with the departures of Colorado, A&M, and Missouri?

buddha
10-25-2011, 03:05 PM
There is no way for any of us to know what the final figure could be in the SEC. We don't have to say the final figure for Mizzou because in THAT conference, they share equally...what a concept? Once the SEC Network gets going, all bets are off. The conference will print money. The Big 10 Network has been good to the BIG, but the SEC Network will be even bigger.

For the Mizzou fans who are wishing to stay put...it's based on nothing but wishful thinking and fond memories of a conference that no longer exists. The Big 8 was terrific. The Big Tex conference sucks and has sucked since Texas took over.

Anybody in KC who can't see that it was freaking Texas that moved the tournament the first time, moved the conference offices, etc. It's all Texas. Anybody who could leve the Big 12 either has or will in the not too distant future.

Texas sucks!

ChiefsCountry
10-25-2011, 03:05 PM
You all want proof Kietzmann is making shit up?

Look no further than his claim that the Rams are more important to St. Louis than Mizzou. Absolute, complete and utter bullshit.

The Rams had a halfway decent following in St. Louis when they were the best team in the NFC for like three years. Their following currently is a joke, and enough of one that there is serious discussion they might move cities once again.

I love listening to people who don't live in St. Louis and have never lived in St. Louis talk about Missouri's fan following there. It's good for a nice laugh.

I think most of the St. Louis talk about not supporting MU is bc for whatever reason MU can't seem to recruit the top basketball players from St. Louis.

rageeumr
10-25-2011, 03:06 PM
1. You should like sweet tea anyway... delicious.

2. I think the preference has been the B1G, but with that shit storm that came in last year that is not really a viable option.

3. I personally am now leary of staying in the Big XII because of the possiblity of this same thing happening next year (see last year's fiasco)... the whole conference has given me a sour taste at this point. Additionally, I think it would be a PR nightmere at this point. It has become a point of no return.

I know the B1G isn't really an option. But when conferencemageddon 2010 was going down, I could look at Mizzou to the B1G and say "ok, that makes sense". I don't have that feeling with the SEC.

And I agree that we're probably past the point of no return. I'm just concerned that we're leaving for a conference that isn't a great fit. The strength and viability of the SEC is encouraging, but that's no guarantee that it will be a successful move.

Jerm
10-25-2011, 03:07 PM
Can't wait to see what excuses the hypocrite media comes up with when TCU and WVU come into the Big XII and get smashed...look at the fucking cupcake conferences they've been playing in.

I'm just glad this shit is almost done so EVERYONE can move on.

Just hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to move to the SEC.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 03:07 PM
where we could make $30-40MM more annually in a stable conference.


Just to clarify. It looks like in 2010 MU made a profit on football of $11,618,417 - adding your estimates to it....

You expect MU football to jump from $11 million to $41-$51 million?


For the record, $41 million would put you ahead of Alabama, Tennessee, & Auburn in the SEC. $51 million would make you the 2nd most profitable program in the SEC behind Georgia.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 03:07 PM
Just hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to move to the SEC.

Yes.

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:08 PM
Not that this is the driving factor because it's not, but you do realize that the combined academic standing of the conference has taken a serious hit with the departures of Colorado, A&M, and Missouri?

I really care about academics when it comes to my Saturday entertainment.

Really.


All kidding aside, all that I want is good sports. That goes for over 95% of the country. I still have yet to figure out what academics or money have to do with any of this when it comes to the fans.

It's not putting a single penny into any of our pockets.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:08 PM
Here's something that I think is kinda strange, and it's a point I made last season during the B1G thing:

Why does everyone keep saying "it's all about moneyA" without acknowledging where that money goes and what it's used for?

You're absolutely right that it's all about money - but here's the thing: General revenue cannot be used for athletic programs (well, not above a certain nominal threshold). If you're Missouri and you want to upgrade your facilities, it has to be done through private donors or revenue generated by the programs themselves.

So yeah, of course this is about money. But why don't we say what the true end game is? It's about larger facilities. It's about upgraded amenities. It's about new and improved athletics complexes and additional exposure.

It's not about increasing profit. It's not about downsizing staff. It's about improving the University of Missouri. It's about trying to give us an advantage in an environment where there are precious few places you can actually gain a competitive advantage if the geography doesn't allow for it.

So yeah - keep on calling it a money grab if it makes you feel better. But that's simply ignoring the fact that money means something very very different for a major university than it does for a Fortune 500 company or a private individual. It means the ability to elevate the school.

buddha
10-25-2011, 03:08 PM
Not that this is the driving factor because it's not, but you do realize that the combined academic standing of the conference has taken a serious hit with the departures of Colorado, A&M, and Missouri?

DeezNutz, do you think anybody on here cares about conference academic standing? BTW, nice move to leave the Bugeaters off the brain list. They got kicked out of the AAU at just the right time. If it had happened a year earlier, they would have never been invited to join the BIG. As it is, they are the "Cousin Eddie" (Vacation movies ref) of the BIG.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 03:08 PM
I do think alot of you guys are butthurt over the fact that some of us KU fans are not butthurt that you are leaving..

business is business...

ku fans would not admit they were butthurt if they were demoted to D2. I don't think even the most delusional Mizzou fan expected ku fans to bow down and admit how pissed they are that we left for the best conference.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 03:08 PM
Just to clarify. It looks like in 2010 MU made a profit on football of $11,618,417 - adding your estimates to it....

You expect MU football to jump from $11 million to $42-$52 million?


For the record, $42 million would put you ahead of Alabama, Tennessee, & Auburn in the SEC. $52 million would make you the most profitable program in the SEC.

Projections based on reworking television contracts, I'm sure.

ChiefsCountry
10-25-2011, 03:08 PM
There is no way for any of us to know what the final figure could be in the SEC. We don't have to say the final figure for Mizzou because in THAT conference, they share equally...what a concept? Once the SEC Network gets going, all bets are off. The conference will print money. The Big 10 Network has been good to the BIG, but the SEC Network will be even bigger.

For the Mizzou fans who are wishing to stay put...it's based on nothing but wishful thinking and fond memories of a conference that no longer exists. The Big 8 was terrific. The Big Tex conference sucks and has sucked since Texas took over.

Anybody in KC who can't see that it was freaking Texas that moved the tournament the first time, moved the conference offices, etc. It's all Texas. Anybody who could leve the Big 12 either has or will in the not too distant future.

Texas sucks!

Thats all on Oklahoma. They could have stuck with the Big 8 schools on voting issues but chose to side with Texas.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:08 PM
Can't wait to see what excuses the hypocrite media comes up with when TCU and WVU come into the Big XII and get smashed...look at the fucking cupcake conferences they've been playing in.

I'm just glad this shit is almost done so EVERYONE can move on.

Just hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to move to the SEC.

Do you even pay attention to college football?

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 03:09 PM
Where are OU and UT going to go? The SEC? The PAC is now out of the question.

The PAC is absolutely not out of the question. They could also go the the B1G or SEC.

Given your history in this thread, I'd get out of the prediction business if I were you.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 03:10 PM
I still have yet to figure out what academics or money have to do with any of this when it comes to the fans.

It's not putting a single penny into any of our pockets.

Not much.

But the last thing isn't entirely true.

DeezNutz, do you think anybody on here cares about conference academic standing? BTW, nice move to leave the Bugeaters off the brain list. They got kicked out of the AAU at just the right time. If it had happened a year earlier, they would have never been invited to join the BIG. As it is, they are the "Cousin Eddie" (Vacation movies ref) of the BIG.

Exactly. Shitter's full.

epitome1170
10-25-2011, 03:10 PM
I know the B1G isn't really an option. But when conferencemageddon 2010 was going down, I could look at Mizzou to the B1G and say "ok, that makes sense". I don't have that feeling with the SEC.

I can definitely agree with that

And I agree that we're probably past the point of no return. I'm just concerned that we're leaving for a conference that isn't a great fit. The strength and viability of the SEC is encouraging, but that's no guarantee that it will be a successful move.

I have those concerns as well and I anticipate we will take a step back, but hopefully only a small one backwards before we step forward... ala Arkansas. And as much as people bash Ark, you look at their recent history in the SEC and they have been pretty solid... that's what I am looking for from MU with of course pipe dreams of something bigger.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 03:10 PM
Do you even pay attention to college football?

We do.

http://blogs.courant.com/uconn_football/camp-thumb-372x247.jpg

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 03:10 PM
Just to clarify. It looks like in 2010 MU made a profit on football of $11,618,417 - adding your estimates to it....

You expect MU football to jump from $11 million to $41-$51 million?


For the record, $41 million would put you ahead of Alabama, Tennessee, & Auburn in the SEC. $51 million would make you the 2nd most profitable program in the SEC behind Georgia.

I didn't think I would have to explain this, but if the SEC reworks their TV deals, every other SEC member will also see a revenue increase.

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:10 PM
Can't wait to see what excuses the hypocrite media comes up with when TCU and WVU come into the Big XII and get smashed...look at the ****ing cupcake conferences they've been playing in.

I'm just glad this shit is almost done so EVERYONE can move on.

Just hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to move to the SEC.

This.


And fuck Texas for causing this bullshit. I would have preferred to have Mizzou in the 12, but this shit that Texas has caused has brought out the worst in all of us.

evenfall
10-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Mizzou fans are just upset that there is already a team of their equal sitting in their still warm chair.


And the talk that Mizzou will maintain a consistant Texas recruiting pipeline makes me ROFL.

Personally I don't give a rip what happens after we move on. We upgraded, a the big whatever is okay... Fine. Enjoy it. Everybody wins.

I don't think there are any mizzou fans who care about WV. why would they? The core issues are the same, they have a better offer, and Texas and OU won't be around forever and you don't want to be there when that happens.

kchero
10-25-2011, 03:11 PM
yea,yea ... the great and all-powerful MU is irreplaceable.


like i said, most MU fans are assholes and won't be missed AT ALL.

:rolleyes:

Unless the fanbase is Oakland, I do not think this is the case for any team.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:11 PM
I think most of the St. Louis talk about not supporting MU is bc for whatever reason MU can't seem to recruit the top basketball players from St. Louis.

There's actually a very good answer to that.

Most of it is because Norm had an icy relationship towards the end of his tenure (I believe he had a falling out with a Vashon coach who was a major AAU guy in the area), Snyder then tried to recruit nationally and neglected STL altogether and MA pretty much just recruited relatives and folks from Alabama.

It's been a coaching issue over the last 10-15 years in STL. It's actually a very sore subject among the MU faithful; we're all equally perplexed that the MU coaches aren't working harder in STL. It has nothing to do with the personality of the city, but with the negligence of the coaching staff.

Jerm
10-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Do you even pay attention to college football?

Are you kidding me?

Yeah must be nice beating up on Colorado St, Air Force, South Florida, UCONN, etc. for years for those two teams.

Have those two schools had big wins? Of course. You can't tell me this isn't a big step up in competition though.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:12 PM
The PAC is absolutely not out of the question. They could also go the the B1G or SEC.

Given your history in this thread, I'd get out of the prediction business if I were you.

The PAC is out of the question. Do you pay attention?

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 03:12 PM
There's actually a very good answer to that.

Most of it is because Norm had an icy relationship towards the end of his tenure (I believe he had a falling out with a Vashon coach who was a major AAU guy in the area), Snyder then tried to recruit nationally and neglected STL altogether and MA pretty much just recruited relatives and folks from Alabama.

It's been a coaching issue over the last 10-15 years in STL. It's actually a very sore subject among the MU faithful; we're all equally perplexed that the MU coaches aren't working harder in STL. It has nothing to do with the personality of the city, but with the negligence of the coaching staff.

Well, thank goodness we have Haith. (pukes)

buddha
10-25-2011, 03:13 PM
Here's something that I think is kinda strange, and it's a point I made last season during the B1G thing:

Why does everyone keep saying "it's all about moneyA" without acknowledging where that money goes and what it's used for?

You're absolutely right that it's all about money - but here's the thing: General revenue cannot be used for athletic programs (well, not above a certain nominal threshold). If you're Missouri and you want to upgrade your facilities, it has to be done through private donors or revenue generated by the programs themselves.

So yeah, of course this is about money. But why don't we say what the true end game is? It's about larger facilities. It's about upgraded amenities. It's about new and improved athletics complexes and additional exposure.

It's not about increasing profit. It's not about downsizing staff. It's about improving the University of Missouri. It's about trying to give us an advantage in an environment where there are precious few places you can actually gain a competitive advantage if the geography doesn't allow for it.

So yeah - keep on calling it a money grab if it makes you feel better. But that's simply ignoring the fact that money means something very very different for a major university than it does for a Fortune 500 company or a private individual. It means the ability to elevate the school.

You belong to a conference for two reasons:

1. Money
2. Scheduling convenience

That's it. The rivalry thing is woven into the scheduling convenience. If any of you think that any other reason trumps either of those two items, you are deluded.

DJ's point is spot on. Look at what South Carolina and Arkansas have been able to build (both facilities and program) since joining the SEC? It's sick. Both schools are far better off than they were.

This has NOTHING to do with grits or sweet tea. Eat and drink what you want...I want what is best for Mizzou, period.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 03:13 PM
I didn't think I would have to explain this, but if the SEC reworks their TV deals, every other SEC member will also see a revenue increase.

I'm sure a move to the SEC & the creation of an SEC network will immediately put MU into the top 10 in profit for football.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:14 PM
Are you kidding me?

Yeah must be nice beating up on Colorado St, Air Force, South Florida, UCONN, etc. for years for those two teams.

Have those two schools had big wins? Of course. You can't tell me this isn't a big step up in competition though.

WVU/TCU = 4 BCS bowl games and 1 final four in four years

MU = 0 EVER!

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 03:14 PM
In fairness - it seems damn unlikely.

Mizzou's gonna make more. Mizzou's gonna make quite a bit more. But $30 million more?

I've seen anywhere from $12 - $20 million, but never anywhere near $30-$40 million.

Some figures I've heard (from a buddy who works in administration/donations at Mizzou):

Current deal is expected to pay out around $18 million/team at 14 teams. However, the SEC is expected to renegotiate first tier rights with the addition of 31 million people to its home-state footprint (which is around 60 percent of current footprint, if I remember correctly). This should bump things up to around $24 million/school.

The rest of the potential bump would come from the creation of an SEC network, which Slive plans to do with the increased TV markets.

I think $30-40 million is an extremely high estimate. Something like $30 million total is more likely when all is said and done.

It's hard to project on these contracts, though. A lot of moving parts.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 03:15 PM
The PAC is out of the question. Do you pay attention?

For right now? Yea it is. In the future? No. These situations are so dynamic.

You know what used to be absolutely out of the question? The idea of Texas letting TCU join the B12.

Mr. Plow
10-25-2011, 03:15 PM
Some figures I've heard (from a buddy who works in administration/donations at Mizzou):

Current deal is expected to pay out around $18 million/team at 14 teams. However, the SEC is expected to renegotiate first tier rights with the addition of 31 million people to its home-state footprint (which is around 60 percent of current footprint, if I remember correctly). This should bump things up to around $24 million/school.

The rest of the potential bump would come from the creation of an SEC network, which Slive plans to do with the increased TV markets.

I think $30-40 million is an extremely high estimate. Something like $30 million total is more likely when all is said and done.

It's hard to project on these contracts, though. A lot of moving parts.


If you had said $30 million total, I could see that.

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:16 PM
Personally I don't give a rip what happens after we move on. We upgraded, a the big whatever is okay... Fine. Enjoy it. Everybody wins.



Good luck. You guys will need it.

evenfall
10-25-2011, 03:16 PM
The PAC is out of the question. Do you pay attention?

They've been angling for an exit for years. For big money schools with football programs like that, there will be options. They were just very nearly gone. It will happen eventually. You guys won't understand until you come home to the note on the kitchen table, but trust me, they don't love you. They've been running around on you for years.

KC native
10-25-2011, 03:17 PM
Can't wait to see what excuses the hypocrite media comes up with when TCU and WVU come into the Big XII and get smashed...look at the fucking cupcake conferences they've been playing in.

I'm just glad this shit is almost done so EVERYONE can move on.

Just hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to move to the SEC.

And love idiots like you that think TCU is going to get smashed. We've beat the big teams and our recruiting classes keep getting better.

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 03:17 PM
They've been angling for an exit for years. For big money schools with football programs like that, there will be options. They were just very nearly gone. It will happen eventually. You guys won't understand until you come home to the note on the kitchen table, but trust me, they don't love you. They've been running around on you for years.

3 straight years Texas has been trying to get out of the Big 12.

Jerm
10-25-2011, 03:17 PM
WVU/TCU = 4 BCS bowl games and 1 final four in four years

MU = 0 EVER!

LOOK AT WHERE THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING..of course the path to the BCS is a lot easier.

TCU is the flavor of the month...you really think they're going to be able to consistently recruit in the Big XII and compete? Come on now.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:18 PM
For right now? Yea it is. In the future? No. These situations are so dynamic.

You know what used to be absolutely out of the question? The idea of Texas letting TCU join the B12.

Texas and TCU were in the SW conference together. TCU being left out was political, much like TT being admitted.

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:18 PM
And love idiots like you that think TCU is going to get smashed. We've beat the big teams and our recruiting classes keep getting better.

I think that they will compete, but beating the big teams week in and week out is a whole different ball game.


BTW, I am happy as hell to have TCU in the 12. :thumbsup:

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 03:19 PM
Missouri fans are overwhelmingly for this movie. Feed back to the University as well as sentiment amongst pretty much every group of fans I have seen backs this up.

I know you are not a big fan of reality though. You never have been.

Serious question, no BS or shit slinging intended.

Are the mass of MU fans glad to be leaving because of the angst over the Texas schools running the conference, or are they just wanting a fresh start in the SEC?

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:19 PM
You belong to a conference for two reasons:

1. Money
2. Scheduling convenience

That's it. The rivalry thing is woven into the scheduling convenience. If any of you think that any other reason trumps either of those two items, you are deluded.

DJ's point is spot on. Look at what South Carolina and Arkansas have been able to build (both facilities and program) since joining the SEC? It's sick. Both schools are far better off than they were.

This has NOTHING to do with grits or sweet tea. Eat and drink what you want...I want what is best for Mizzou, period.

I went to South Bend last weekend and walked around their campus.

It's pretty incredible, it really is. That said - there was nothing about it that couldn't be duplicated. The stadium was actually a relic (they did a 'Soldier Field' style facelift by adding an additional facade around the outside of the stadium). But they just built a Hockey Complex that was just stunning - HOCKEY! The basketball arena is next. And all of it is around a massive quad that is simply stunning. The entire area is a HUGE boost for the overall attractiveness of the University.

The proposed renovations at Arkansas are similar.

If this was couched as "Move to the SEC and they'll upgrade every building, all the equipment and all overall attractiveness of the University" it would be pretty hard for people to call those that were in favor of the move a bunch of greedy assholes - but that's exactly what a "money grab" means in this context.

This is all done to make the University better.

Jerm
10-25-2011, 03:19 PM
And love idiots like you that think TCU is going to get smashed. We've beat the big teams and our recruiting classes keep getting better.

You beat Wisconsin...stop it.

evenfall
10-25-2011, 03:19 PM
Good luck. You guys will need it.

It will be a huge, difficult, long term challenge but we the fans are looking forward to it for those same reasons.

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:20 PM
It will be a huge, difficult, long term challenge but we the fans are looking forward to it for those same reasons.

I hope you succeed. And yes, it will be tough as hell.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 03:21 PM
Serious question, no BS or shit slinging intended.

Are the mass of MU fans glad to be leaving because of the angst over the Texas schools running the conference, or are they just wanting a fresh start in the SEC?

For me, mostly the former. There is no security with Texas holding all the cards here in the long term. There just isn't. It will be fun playing new teams and venues, kinda like watch Nebraska go against teams in the B1G.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:21 PM
LOOK AT WHERE THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING..of course the path to the BCS is a lot easier.

TCU is the flavor of the month...you really think they're going to be able to consistently recruit in the Big XII and compete? Come on now.

They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a clusterfuck for aTm and MU.

KC native
10-25-2011, 03:21 PM
LOOK AT WHERE THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING..of course the path to the BCS is a lot easier.

TCU is the flavor of the month...you really think they're going to be able to consistently recruit in the Big XII and compete? Come on now.

Basically, you're saying is that you don't pay attention to college football.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 03:22 PM
Sources say the money is already in the banking collecting interest. Zenger gets the authority to fire folks on Jan. 1.

wrong, and wrong. you haven't even paid off mangino, and nothing in zengers contract prohibits him from firing anyone.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 03:23 PM
They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a clusterfuck for aTm and MU.

Yes, because Texas is THE end all to recruiting. There are no good college players anywhere else but Texas. And really, what Texas kid would want to play outside the Big XII, right?

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 03:23 PM
Mizzou fans are just upset that there is already a team of their equal sitting in their still warm chair.


And the talk that Mizzou will maintain a consistant Texas recruiting pipeline makes me ROFL.

Just a question...

Do you follow college football recruiting closely? Have you read interviews with recruits from Texas about Missouri in the Big 12 vs. Missouri in the SEC?

And I'm not upset about WVU. Good for them. And good for the Big 12.

I just think many are vastly overselling the Big East as a football conference. It has been pretty weak since losing Miami and Va. Tech to the ACC.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:25 PM
I can't wait for the Huggy Bear/Martin reunion!

Jerm
10-25-2011, 03:25 PM
Basically, you're saying is that you don't pay attention to college football.

No you're right...I forgot all the "big teams" TCU has pounded...

UNLV, Wyoming, New Mexico, etc.

Hell you probably didn't even know those were MWC members so fuck off.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:26 PM
Serious question, no BS or shit slinging intended.

Are the mass of MU fans glad to be leaving because of the angst over the Texas schools running the conference, or are they just wanting a fresh start in the SEC?

Increased revenue, increased facilities, and the adrenaline that the move will inject into the fanbase, the boosters and the program at large.

This is an opportunity to really improve the program a great deal. It might backfire, we might get destroyed - shit could happen.

But you can't pass on the opportunity to greatly improve the University here.

evenfall
10-25-2011, 03:26 PM
Serious question, no BS or shit slinging intended.

Are the mass of MU fans glad to be leaving because of the angst over the Texas schools running the conference, or are they just wanting a fresh start in the SEC?

We are glad to be leaving because in the long term this will make the football program better. Recruiting will be better, the infusion of money will help the program, and we expect 10 years and farther down the road Missouri will rank higher on the national stage because of it. It gives the school a better chance to build something national championship caliber.

Of course its a long way to the top, this will be the football equivalent of the Manhattan project for Missouri. But its awesome to see the school welcoming that challenge. We are excited because we look down the road at things like playing an exciting conference schedule and playing with those teams each year. Maybe a stadium expansion. Bowl respect. Being title contenders one day. There is really no down side. This is a promising new era.

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 03:26 PM
Texas and TCU were in the SW conference together. TCU being left out was political, much like TT being admitted.

I believe you mean Baylor......

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:27 PM
Just a question...

Do you follow college football recruiting closely? Have you read interviews with recruits from Texas about Missouri in the Big 12 vs. Missouri in the SEC?

And I'm not upset about WVU. Good for them. And good for the Big 12.

I just think many are vastly overselling the Big East as a football conference. It has been pretty weak since losing Miami and Va. Tech to the ACC.

We will see how it turns out in the long-term with recruiting.


Big East sucks, and WVU is doing the same thing Mizzou is doing: Trading in their chance at a BCS game for more stability.

Mizzou won't sniff a BCS game playing in the SEC. WVU probably won't sniff one in the Big 12 unless they have a KSU-esc run and play amazing when it counts.

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 03:28 PM
I'm asking because wasn't it a possible $12 million MORE than you would have made in the Big 12 in the papers released by MU?

Oh that was several days ago, it has grown. Next week it will be 60 million guaranteed.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 03:29 PM
We will see how it turns out in the long-term with recruiting.


Big East sucks, and WVU is doing the same thing Mizzou is doing: Trading in their chance at a BCS game for more stability.

Mizzou won't sniff a BCS game playing in the SEC. WVU probably won't sniff one in the Big 12 unless they have a KSU-esc run and play amazing when it counts.

Soooo.....you admit the SEC is more stable than the Big XII?

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 03:30 PM
I'm sure a move to the SEC & the creation of an SEC network will immediately put MU into the top 10 in profit for football.

Doubtful, since the strong conferences will continue to increase revenue as well.

However, the Big 12 will be lucky to hold on to what it has already tricked the networks into promising.

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:30 PM
Soooo.....you admit the SEC is more stable than the Big XII?

****in' A it is, and I never said otherwise.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 03:31 PM
They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a cluster**** for aTm and MU.

TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

I won't argue that there won't be kids from Texas that choose someone else over Missouri. But I will argue that it's being vastly overstated. Also, Missouri will have much better secondary recruiting areas after Missouri/Texas (LA, FLA, GA), which it will have to use to make up the gap).

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 03:33 PM
They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a clusterfuck for aTm and MU.

:LOL:

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:33 PM
TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

Can't argue with this.


And they will probably get some of those 2 and 3 stars that KSU and KU used to get.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 03:34 PM
****in' A it is, and I never said otherwise.

This...

I would move KU to the SEC and bail on the Titanic 12 in a fucking heart beat...

Would give two shits about any rivarly or team left behind...

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:35 PM
TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

They could, actually.

TCU is right there in Dallas; it's in a great spot. It won't start out-recruiting A&M over night, but as the rivalry between the Aggies and Longhorns starts to diminish (and it will; as will MU/KU), the kids that get turned down by UT won't be so eager to go to A&M and 'show them what they missed'.

In fact, TCU could end up that destination school.

TCU has made a HUGE move to get into the IIX. I think they're absolutely poised to become a viable replacement for A&M in Texas. They'll likely never come as close to a national championship as they did last season (really just one or two breaks and they're in that title game), but they'll have better teams and a better program (hmmmm...sound familiar?)

And yeah, they'll make recruiting Texas a little bit harder for the folks that already did well down there.

Good thing we're going to have some new recruiting grounds to sniff around in

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:36 PM
Soooo.....you admit the SEC is more stable than the Big XII?

There's no stability, anywhere. What happens the day the SEC writes Vanderbilt a letter, or the Big 10 to Northwestern?

"You're good schools, but you're not in our plans for the future of our athletic conference."

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:36 PM
This...

I would move KU to the SEC and bail on the Titanic 12 in a ****ing heart beat...

Would give two shits about any rivarly or team left behind...

Truth.

There is obviously a little hate towards Mizzou for doing exactly what we all wish our teams even had an opportunity to do.


BUT, I still believe Mizzou would have gotten into the 10 or the SEC if the Big 12 fell apart anyway. I think the well-deserved Texas hate just expedited the process.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:38 PM
:LOL:

aTm is already bitching about recruiting. Waaaaaaa!

Bowser
10-25-2011, 03:38 PM
****in' A it is, and I never said otherwise.
Just busting balls. YOUR BALLS. BUSTED.
There's no stability, anywhere. What happens the day the SEC writes Vanderbilt a letter, or the Big 10 to Northwestern?

"You're good schools, but you're not in our plans for the future of our athletic conference."

Yeah, if Iowa State hasn't gotten that letter yet, noone will. (ducks from incoming barrage from Ames)

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 03:38 PM
They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a cluster**** for aTm and MU.

aTm isn't going to recruit as well now? Holy shit! The Big IIX is the European League, and the SEC is the NBA, and you think players would rather play in Europe. Keep fucking that chicken, Stu.

Jerm
10-25-2011, 03:38 PM
....and just to be clear, I don't begrudge TCU or WVU at all for the move.

I just find it comical that these national talking head idiots for the most part believe Mizzou will be dead and buried because they're stepping up in competition but TCU/WVU are making a bigger step up in comparison yet no one is killing them. The hypocrisy bemuses me...

Jerm
10-25-2011, 03:38 PM
Please Deaton end this shit...

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:39 PM
Just busting balls. YOUR BALLS. BUSTED.



You have to get them out my wife's purse, first. :D

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:40 PM
There's no stability, anywhere. What happens the day the SEC writes Vanderbilt a letter, or the Big 10 to Northwestern?

"You're good schools, but you're not in our plans for the future of our athletic conference."

Just let me know when the last time a school was actually thrown out of a conference and I'll get back to you (oh, and Northwestern is a crown jewel of the B1G, but that requires knowledge and you clearly lack it, so don't worry about that)

The best way to stay in a conference? Make sure the conference remains in existence. The best way to get tossed out of a conference? Have it dissolve.

The shit you'll make up in support of a point is just comical.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 03:40 PM
There's no stability, anywhere. What happens the day the SEC writes Vanderbilt a letter, or the Big 10 to Northwestern?

"You're good schools, but you're not in our plans for the future of our athletic conference."

That will probably happen on the same day that the Big 10 and Pac 10 write Mizzou checks in the hope that one day the Tigers will join their conferences.

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 03:41 PM
aTm is already bitching about recruiting. Waaaaaaa!

Yeah, they only have 23 commits and the 6th overall ranked class at this point.


:doh!:

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:41 PM
aTm is already bitching about recruiting. Waaaaaaa!

No, Keitzman is saying A&M is bitching about recruiting.

Just like he's saying that MU fans don't like this move and Jay Nixon caused the whole thing.

He's as allergic to facts as you are.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 03:41 PM
aTm is already bitching about recruiting. Waaaaaaa!

Bitching, or laughing at the negative recruiting?

I've seen this routine from you. You say a bunch of ridiculous shit and then leave the thread for a week. How about you do that now?

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:42 PM
aTm isn't going to recruit as well now? Holy shit! The Big IIX is the European League, and the SEC is the NBA, and you think players would rather play in Europe. Keep fucking that chicken, Stu.

Wrong. What Texas kid is going to want to play games hundreds of miles away? They can go to a Big XII school and play most games within a few hours drive from their home? aTm is already complaining about being shutout on recruits just because of it. Not that they've done anything in recent years.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:42 PM
Truth.

There is obviously a little hate towards Mizzou for doing exactly what we all wish our teams even had an opportunity to do.


BUT, I still believe Mizzou would have gotten into the 10 or the SEC if the Big 12 fell apart anyway. I think the well-deserved Texas hate just expedited the process.

And I still think KU ends up in the B1G and gets the last laugh if this whole thing implodes...

But the B1G has a problem with MU and MU got offered a 'better' conference, if not a better fit. It's a move we absolutely had to make.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 03:43 PM
Yeah, they only have 23 commits and the 6th overall ranked class at this point.


:doh!:

BUT THEY'D HAVE 30 COMMITS AND BE 3RD IN RECRUITING IF THEY HADN'T LEFT!! [/Stooie]

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:43 PM
Bitching, or laughing at the negative recruiting?

I've seen this routine from you. You say a bunch of ridiculous shit and then leave the thread for a week. How about you do that now?

I actually work and have a life. I don't have hours and hours a day to argue with worthless welfare posters.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 03:44 PM
aTm is already bitching about recruiting. Waaaaaaa!
Stop swallowing Kietzman's swill. Other schools are neg recruiting aTm. That is documented. But ...

In fact, a quick check of Rivals shows that Texas A&M is currently sitting at No. 6 in the team recruiting rankings.

Yup. This SEC thing is killing Aggie recruiting. Killing it, I tell you!

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:44 PM
Yeah, they only have 23 commits and the 6th overall ranked class at this point.


:doh!:

Shit - really?

Okay, I may have to stand corrected regarding A&M.

(And stand erect at what the move could do for Mizzou now...)

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:45 PM
Yeah, they only have 23 commits and the 6th overall ranked class at this point.


:doh!:

Wash, rinse, repeat... Yawn.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:45 PM
I actually work and have a life. I don't have hours and hours a day to argue with worthless welfare posters.

And yet here you sit - making shit up (and clearly a loyal listener of Kevin Kietzman).

Funny how that works out.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:47 PM
Stop swallowing Kietzman's swill. Other schools are neg recruiting aTm. That is documented. But ...

In fact, a quick check of Rivals shows that Texas A&M is currently sitting at No. 6 in the team recruiting rankings.

Yup. This SEC thing is killing Aggie recruiting. Killing it, I tell you!

Heh. Rivals.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 03:48 PM
Heh. Rivals.

You are a really shitty poster.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:48 PM
Heh. Rivals.

So by all means, enlighten us.

Rivals says they've done a fantastic job this season in recruiting. You clearly have some keen insight to suggest otherwise.

So please, good sir, show us all just how badly damaged A&M has been by this whole thing.

You are an absolute joke.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:49 PM
You are a really shitty poster.

Fuck it - "this"

I should've been more succinct.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:49 PM
You are a really shitty poster.

Do you know how they get their information?

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 03:49 PM
Wrong. What Texas kid is going to want to play games hundreds of miles away? They can go to a Big XII school and play most games within a few hours drive from their home? aTm is already complaining about being shutout on recruits just because of it. Not that they've done anything in recent years.

College Station to:
Norman - 358 miles
Lawrence - 686 miles
Manhattan - 659 miles
Stillwater - 436 miles
Ames - 949 miles
Lubbock - 441 miles

College Station to:
Baton Rouge - 338 miles
Fayetteville - 512 miles
Oxford - 566
Starkville - 575 miles
Birmingham - 683 miles
Auburn - 754 miles
Columbia - 779 miles
Knoxville - 940 miles
Athens - 924 miles

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 03:49 PM
WVU/TCU = 4 BCS bowl games and 1 final four in four years

MU = 0 EVER!

Yeah, but they were only playing cupcakes, and we are really going to be good./mizzou fans

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:51 PM
Wrong. What Texas kid is going to want to play games hundreds of miles away? They can go to a Big XII school and play most games within a few hours drive from their home? aTm is already complaining about being shutout on recruits just because of it. Not that they've done anything in recent years.

Three Letters:


N


F


L

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 03:51 PM
Shit - really?

Okay, I may have to stand corrected regarding A&M.

(And stand erect at what the move could do for Mizzou now...)

Just for grins, Texas A&M also ranks sixth in the (inferior) Scout.com rankings.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 03:51 PM
You have to get them out my wife's purse, first. :D

Ballsack?

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 03:51 PM
Wrong. What Texas kid is going to want to play games hundreds of miles away? They can go to a Big XII school and play most games within a few hours drive from their home? aTm is already complaining about being shutout on recruits just because of it. Not that they've done anything in recent years.
Yeah, the top players in Texas will be champing at the bit to go to Ames, Lawrence, Manhattan, Provo, and Morgantown in December to play shit teams. That beats the hell out 70 degree weather and 100,000 fans in the seats in the best conference on the planet. Preach on, Stu. You've really got your finger on the pulse of today's young athletes.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:52 PM
College Station to:
Norman - 358 miles
Lawrence - 686 miles
Manhattan - 659 miles
Stillwater - 436 miles
Ames - 949 miles
Lubbock - 441 miles

College Station to:
Baton Rouge - 338 miles
Fayetteville - 512 miles
Oxford - 566
Starkville - 575 miles
Birmingham - 683 miles
Auburn - 754 miles
Columbia - 779 miles
Knoxville - 940 miles
Athens - 924 miles

Hey - you didn't include Morgantown!

But you'll need to come up with an inhaler or something because facts make Stewie's asthma act up something fierce.

notorious
10-25-2011, 03:53 PM
Ballsack?

LMAO


That's fucking awesome.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 03:53 PM
Just for grins, Texas A&M also ranks sixth in the (inferior) Scout.com rankings.

Heh - Scout.

Do you know how they get their information?

I pull mine directly from my rectum - so it's clearly superior.

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 03:54 PM
For me, mostly the former. There is no security with Texas holding all the cards here in the long term. There just isn't. It will be fun playing new teams and venues, kinda like watch Nebraska go against teams in the B1G.

I can understand that. I have even been watching all the Nebraska games, in one hand hoping they get crushed, and then in the other hoping they do well.

So, do you think all of this stuff that Texas has compromised on, is short term? You think they are going to run when the time is right?

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 03:55 PM
Hey - you didn't include Morgantown!

But you'll need to come up with an inhaler or something because facts make Stewie's asthma act up something fierce.

ROFL

Fort Worth to Morgantown - 1475 miles

College Station to Gainesville - 922 miles

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:55 PM
College Station to:
Norman - 358 miles
Lawrence - 686 miles
Manhattan - 659 miles
Stillwater - 436 miles
Ames - 949 miles
Lubbock - 441 miles

College Station to:
Baton Rouge - 338 miles
Fayetteville - 512 miles
Oxford - 566
Starkville - 575 miles
Birmingham - 683 miles
Auburn - 754 miles
Columbia - 779 miles
Knoxville - 940 miles
Athens - 924 miles

Thank you for making my point and leaving out Ft. Worth, Waco and Austin. You left out some of the SEC schools that you seem to think prove your point. Dumbass!

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 03:57 PM
Do you know how they get their information?

You try to raise the bar in scenarios like this. You lay out a battle plan, you get your armies set up, you set up a stronghold in Western Australia, and some motherfucker named Stewie comes over and takes a gigantic dump over the board. Its disheartening.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 03:58 PM
I can understand that. I have even been watching all the Nebraska games, in one hand hoping they get crushed, and then in the other hoping they do well.

So, do you think all of this stuff that Texas has compromised on, is short term? You think they are going to run when the time is right?

Yeah, my Nebraska "give-a-shit" meter has really leveled off as of late. Colorado may as well not exist.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 03:58 PM
You try to raise the bar in scenarios like this. You lay out a battle plan, you get your armies set up, you set up a stronghold in Western Australia, and some motherfucker named Stewie comes over and takes a gigantic dump over the board. Its disheartening.

Nice comeback Potsy. Really? Do you know where they get their information?

Bowser
10-25-2011, 03:59 PM
I can understand that. I have even been watching all the Nebraska games, in one hand hoping they get crushed, and then in the other hoping they do well.

So, do you think all of this stuff that Texas has compromised on, is short term? You think they are going to run when the time is right?

It's hard not to think Texas won't bail at the first possible moment they can, if they feels that it benefits them in any way. When that time comes, and I feel secure saying it will, it's going to suck for the rest of the conference, no matter who they bring in. The next six years should be great for the Big XII, but after that?

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 03:59 PM
This...

I would move KU to the SEC and bail on the Titanic 12 in a ****ing heart beat...

Would give two shits about any rivarly or team left behind...

ballsack

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:00 PM
It's hard not to think Texas won't bail at the first possible moment they can, if they feels that it benefits them in any way. When that time comes, and I feel secure saying it will, it's going to suck for the rest of the conference, no matter who they bring in. The next six years should be great for the Big XII, but after that?

As I said before, where are they going to go? The SEC? Wouldn't that be rich? They aren't going to the PAC.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:00 PM
You try to raise the bar in scenarios like this. You lay out a battle plan, you get your armies set up, you set up a stronghold in Western Australia, and some motherfucker named Stewie comes over and takes a gigantic dump over the board. Its disheartening.

Oh c'mon - the Western Australia guy always gets proper fucked unless he can develop some sort of marauding hoard before someone is able to lay siege to South America, trickle up through Africa and take to really whupin' some ass.

Never isolate yourself in Australia. At that point you're resigned to being nothing more than the guy that kills someone off, fucks someone else up, then ends up coming in 3rd after doing most of the heavy lifting.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 04:00 PM
It's hard not to think Texas won't bail at the first possible moment they can, if they feels that it benefits them in any way. When that time comes, and I feel secure saying it will, it's going to suck for the rest of the conference, no matter who they bring in. The next six years should be great for the Big XII, but after that?

Stewie convinced me no one will ever want Texas. They are stuck! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 04:01 PM
Oh c'mon - the Western Australia guy always gets proper fucked unless he can develop some sort of marauding hoard before someone is able to siege to South America, trickle up through Africa and take to really whupin' some ass.

Never isolate yourself in Australia. At that point you're resigned to being nothing more than the guy that kills someone off, fucks someone else up, then ends up coming in 3rd after doing most of the heavy lifting.

You hold that piece of Southeast Asia, and you are golden. Eventually you can make your way in to the Middle East, and even Alaska. Keep the ownership of continents away from others.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 04:02 PM
ROFL

Fort Worth to Morgantown - 1475 miles

College Station to Gainesville - 922 miles

Provo's pretty close, though. Its only 1350 miles.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:03 PM
Stewie convinced me no one will ever want Texas. They are stuck! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'd love it if Texas went to the SEC. I would laugh my ass off.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:03 PM
Provo's pretty close, though. Its only 1350 miles.

How far is from BYU to wherever WVU is?


That's gotta be one hell of a haul.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 04:03 PM
It's hard not to think Texas won't bail at the first possible moment they can, if they feels that it benefits them in any way. When that time comes, and I feel secure saying it will, it's going to suck for the rest of the conference, no matter who they bring in. The next six years should be great for the Big XII, but after that?

Yeah. It really appears the Longhorn Network is headed for failure, especially after the concessions Texas recently has made.

Not hard to see it being canned after a few years. Also not hard to see it being rolled into a regional network when Texas makes its move. The Big Ten and ACC would be easy partners for that.

The PAC is not going to work currently, but Larry Scott has eyes for Texas. If the LHN is no longer a factor, I'd say there's still a strong chance UT and OU end up over there.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:03 PM
You hold that piece of Southeast Asia, and you are golden. Eventually you can make your way in to the Middle East, and even Alaska. Keep the ownership of continents away from others.

Well yeah - if you play with a bunch of pussies. That's why you hang out in South America and let some eager idiot that thinks he's going to take over Asia in 3 turns mess around with the guy in Australia.

Well...until Stewie shits all over the board, anyway.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 04:04 PM
How far is from BYU to wherever WVU is?


That's gotta be one hell of a haul.

1,930 miles.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 04:04 PM
How far is from BYU to wherever WVU is?


That's gotta be one hell of a haul.

They'll have to meet in the middle, say Arrowhead stadium. TAKE THAT, KEITZMAN!!

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 04:05 PM
A large geographic footprint could strengthen bowl tie-ins.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:06 PM
1,930 miles.

JFC.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:06 PM
Provo's pretty close, though. Its only 1350 miles.

It's a plane ride extended by 45 minutes that will happen every 4th year. Geography doesn't matter at that point. What I'm talking about is the kid in Texas that can play in the Big XII and the friends and family can see several games per year (home/away) within a reasonable drive.

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 04:07 PM
I'd love it if Texas went to the SEC. I would laugh my ass off.

So would I, just to see how the remaining members would somehow try to keep the conference patched together.

"Texas left? Tis but a flesh wound! Bring in Tulsa!!!"

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpuO4sVgKdgravJgUXDXdt-Fm9LdiKUmxqU46-N_ul9m7200KqrDU8Q2epYA

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:08 PM
So would I, just to see how the remaining members would somehow try to keep the conference patched together.

"Texas left? Tis but a flesh wound! Bring in Tulsa!!!"

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpuO4sVgKdgravJgUXDXdt-Fm9LdiKUmxqU46-N_ul9m7200KqrDU8Q2epYA

Oh c'mon, you know SMU would be dying to get another shot.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 04:09 PM
How far is from BYU to wherever WVU is?


That's gotta be one hell of a haul.

Its. Just under 2000 miles. Nothing like a 4000 mile round trip to build a rivalry.

Chocolate Hog
10-25-2011, 04:09 PM
Only Big XII fans would try to spin TCU and West Virginia as a win.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 04:09 PM
Oh c'mon, you know SMU would be dying to get another shot.

TULANE! TULANE!!1111

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:09 PM
So would I, just to see how the remaining members would somehow try to keep the conference patched together.

"Texas left? Tis but a flesh wound! Bring in Tulsa!!!"



That's why I :facepalm: over Cincy coming to the Big 12.

But

For what Tulsa is, they overachieve.


They have less students then Fort Hays State. A lot less.

Go Hurricane!

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:10 PM
So would I, just to see how the remaining members would somehow try to keep the conference patched together.

"Texas left? Tis but a flesh wound! Bring in Tulsa!!!"

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpuO4sVgKdgravJgUXDXdt-Fm9LdiKUmxqU46-N_ul9m7200KqrDU8Q2epYA

But... but... but... Texas is the debil! /MU dumbasses

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 04:11 PM
Daily flights from DFW and ORD to Manhattan, Kansas.

Suck it, haters.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:12 PM
TULANE! TULANE!!1111

If Texas goes, I fully expect my ol' undergraduate alma mater to move up a few ranks and submit their application:

Truman State for the motherfucking win!

Get that footprint back into Missouri, baby! Go Bullfrogs!...I mean dogs.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 04:13 PM
It's a plane ride extended by 45 minutes that will happen every 4th year. Geography doesn't matter at that point. What I'm talking about is the kid in Texas that can play in the Big XII and the friends and family can see several games per year (home/away) within a reasonable drive.

So instead of having in-state games against Baylor, Texas and Texas Tech every other year and seven-eight home games every year, the Aggies are now looking at seven-eight home games with closest trips every other year being to Arkansas, LSU and Ole Miss. What's the difference for in-state kids?

Well, Waco is a close trip, as is Austin. Those are gone. Texas Tech is a haul and similar to the trip to Fayetteville.

Really, what it comes down to is one less game within 2-3 hour driving distance every year. Not as big a loss as you're hypothesizing.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:13 PM
But... but... but... Texas is the debil! /MU dumbasses

Necessary evils if nobody better is asking.

Fortunately, somebody evidently is.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 04:13 PM
Daily flights from DFW and ORD to Manhattan, Kansas.

Suck it, haters.

Is that Tommy's Rent-a-Flight airlines? Do you get to crop dust en route?

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 04:13 PM
It's a plane ride extended by 45 minutes that will happen every 4th year. Geography doesn't matter at that point. What I'm talking about is the kid in Texas that can play in the Big XII and the friends and family can see several games per year (home/away) within a reasonable drive.

By "several" are you referring to the one conference game per year played in Texas that North teams averaged?

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 04:13 PM
JFC. 737 gets the job done.

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 04:14 PM
Is that Tommy's Rent-a-Flight airlines? Do you get to crop dust en route?

American Eagle, baby. Nothing but the best.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:14 PM
737 gets the job done.

I'm in!

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:15 PM
Is that Tommy's Rent-a-Flight airlines? Do you get to crop dust en route?

American Eagle



Are you talking shit on America, now? :)

Bowser
10-25-2011, 04:16 PM
American Eagle



Are you talking shit on America, now? :)

Yes. I support Mizzou, so I hate America. Stewie taught me that.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:17 PM
Yes. I support Mizzou, so I hate America. Stewie taught me that.

LMAO

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Yes. I support Mizzou, so I hate America. Stewie taught me that.

Aturnis has assured me that you support Al Qaeda if you think Jonathan Baldwin runs bad routes.

I guess I said that to him or something. I haven't quite figured it out yet.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 04:18 PM
American Eagle, baby. Nothing but the best.

Just flew them a month or two ago...shudder.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Only Big XII fans would try to spin TCU and West Virginia as a win.

Kind of like the Big 10 accepting Nebraska.

"We are an academic conference! Football is secondary!"

"Yes! We are academeea!"

"Whew! I thought for a minute you lost AAU certification."

"Oh. What?"

"AAU?"

"Oh, that! Were smart hear in Nebraska!"

"Yeah."

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Yeah, my Nebraska "give-a-shit" meter has really leveled off as of late. Colorado may as well not exist.

I don't recall seeing a Colorado score until this last weekend. ROFL


It's hard not to think Texas won't bail at the first possible moment they can, if they feels that it benefits them in any way. When that time comes, and I feel secure saying it will, it's going to suck for the rest of the conference, no matter who they bring in. The next six years should be great for the Big XII, but after that?

Do you think it would be to a conference, or as an independent?

Saulbadguy
10-25-2011, 04:19 PM
Just flew them a month or two ago...shudder.

Granted, you will get a different experience depending on which American Eagle route you take, as I believe they are independent carriers that are contracted out by American Airlines.

Of course, the ones that fly to and from Manhattan, KS are among the best in the world.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:21 PM
Just flew them a month or two ago...shudder.

Next time tell my best friend hello. He is a captain and he is very hard to miss considering he is the only black guy that works for the company.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 04:21 PM
Do you think it would be to a conference, or as an independent?

Hell, who knows? There is no telling what the conference landscape will look like in six years. I'd guess that it would all depend on the LHN, and if they feel they can rake in serious monies with it or not. I would guess a conference, but that's jsut a guess.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 04:22 PM
Next time tell my best friend hello. He is a captain and he is very hard to miss considering he is the only black guy that works for the company.

Racist

Bowser
10-25-2011, 04:22 PM
Racist

Sack o' balls

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:23 PM
Hell, who knows? There is no telling what the conference landscape will look like in six years. I'd guess that it would all depend on the LHN, and if they feel they can rake in serious monies with it or not. I would guess a conference, but that's jsut a guess.

What can they show on their station?


No HS games.

No away games.


Are they going to force the opposing fans to subscribe to their station to watch any games in Austin? That would be a hoot.

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 04:25 PM
Daily flights from DFW and ORD to Manhattan, Kansas.

Suck it, haters.

Seriously, direct flights? I bet those are cheap!

One week ago, Dad and I flew out of Ord at the same time, him to Wichita and me to DFW. His was $500, mine was $240 rt.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 04:25 PM
What can they show on their station?


No HS games.

No away games.


Are they going to force the opposing fans to subscribe to their station to watch any games in Austin? That would be a hoot.

True. I should have said what they think LHN can be if they went out on their own.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:25 PM
Granted, you will get a different experience depending on which American Eagle route you take, as I believe they are independent carriers that are contracted out by American Airlines.

Of course, the ones that fly to and from Manhattan, KS are among the best in the world.

You're fucking clueless about how airlines operate. Is there an aerospace Rivals site?

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:26 PM
Next time tell my best friend hello. He is a captain and he is very hard to miss considering he is the only black guy that works for the company.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2l-zZ5-a67KXPCtoeTo3gunbb3AkNE6A7Z703upsfREPNmhNzxg214P9LFw

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:27 PM
You're fucking clueless about how airlines operate. Is there an aerospace Rivals site?

Uh oh, Saul - you've stepped into his wheelhouse.

He's been waiting all day for one of you poor fuckers to start talking airlines so he can drop the hammer on you.

Clever bastard, he is.

DeezNutz
10-25-2011, 04:27 PM
You're ****ing clueless about how airlines operate. Is there an aerospace Rivals site?

How do airlines operate?

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:27 PM
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2l-zZ5-a67KXPCtoeTo3gunbb3AkNE6A7Z703upsfREPNmhNzxg214P9LFw

Looks like our graduation photo.


Seriously, I LOL'ed when he showed me a company photo 5 years ago. He just responded with,"**** you, I know!"

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 04:27 PM
Next time tell my best friend hello. He is a captain and he is very hard to miss considering he is the only black guy that works for the company.

Sorry, I don't talk to the blacks.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 04:29 PM
Seriously, direct flights? I bet those are cheap!

One week ago, Dad and I flew out of Ord at the same time, him to Wichita and me to DFW. His was $500, mine was $240 rt.

Yup direct flights. Just check MHK-ORD for the weekend of 12/4. $89 each way. Same for DFW-MHK. It's awesome.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 04:30 PM
You're ****ing clueless about how airlines operate. Is there an aerospace Rivals site?

what is your information? I also am of the understanding the American Eagle is operated by several different operations across the country.

*edit* looks like now it is just 2 operators, although the wiki mentions 3 at one point, so I suspect one more was in operation at some point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Airlines

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:30 PM
Yup direct flights. Just check MHK-ORD for the weekend of 12/4. $89 each way. Same for DFW-MHK. It's awesome.

This.


We finally got a direct connection from GCK-DFW.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:33 PM
Uh oh, Saul - you've stepped into his wheelhouse.

He's been waiting all day for one of you poor fuckers to start talking airlines so he can drop the hammer on you.

Clever bastard, he is.

Neither Saul nor you would know a single question to ask.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:37 PM
Neither Saul nor you would know a single question to ask.

Damn - Airline smack.

Those of you that wanted to know when shit got real? I think it just did.

But seriously, how do the pilots keep their arms from getting tired?

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:37 PM
what is your information? I also am of the understanding the American Eagle is operated by several different operations across the country.

*edit* looks like now it is just 2 operators, although the wiki mentions 3 at one point, so I suspect one more was in operation at some point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Airlines

American Eagle is a partner to AA. Separate companies, separate liabilities.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:39 PM
American Eagle is a partner to AA. Separate companies, separate liabilities.

Quick! Someone ask him about the distinctions between JP5 and Kerosene!

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:39 PM
But seriously, how do the pilots keep their arms from getting tired?

Find a Stewardess to finish.

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 04:41 PM
Yup direct flights. Just check MHK-ORD for the weekend of 12/4. $89 each way. Same for DFW-MHK. It's awesome.

That is awesome, for sure. Are they being subsidized by the community? Wichita was doing that for a while, but they must have stopped.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:41 PM
Damn - Airline smack.

Those of you that wanted to know when shit got real? I think it just did.

But seriously, how do the pilots keep their arms from getting tired?

I'm sorry my occupation deals with aviation. At least my mind works beyond "flying and tired arms" shit from 1930.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:42 PM
Quick! Someone ask him about the distinctions between JP5 and Kerosene!

You're way out of the loop and it's obvious.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 04:43 PM
Damn - Airline smack.

Those of you that wanted to know when shit got real? I think it just did.

But seriously, how do the pilots keep their arms from getting tired?

Auto Pilot...

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:43 PM
That is awesome, for sure. Are they being subsidized by the community? Wichita was doing that for a while, but they must have stopped.

Yep, the smaller towns have to pay for the service.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 04:43 PM
Find a Stewardess to finish.

:thumb:

Now we are talking!

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:43 PM
Auto Pilot...


Required equipment IMO. Can't miss my daily nap.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:44 PM
I'm sorry my occupation deals with aviation. At least my mind works beyond "flying and tired arms" shit from 1930.

I'm sorry, but your occupation is wholly irrelevant to this thread.

But I'm excited to see that you've found a way to contribute because your football and/or conference realignment takes thus far have been really, truly terrible.

Is there anything else we could talk about that might make you more useful? We're all-inclusive here on CP and I hate to see anyone left out. How about the merits of Chicken vs. Fish during intercontinental travel? Would that give you a semi?

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 04:45 PM
Required equipment IMO. Can't miss my daily nap.

I was coming home from KDWH the other night and it was all I could do to say awake...

Auto pilot was on, passengers were asleep, if it wasnt for diverting into KADS for weather, I would of been in a coma...

Props were sync'd just right, nice quiet radio....... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

HemiEd
10-25-2011, 04:47 PM
Yep, the smaller towns have to pay for the service.

That makes it doable. I used to travel that territory a lot, when Air-MidWest had all those towns. Holy crap, Wichita to Garden City was incredible, like $900 round trip or something like that.

I just drove about 45k a year instead.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:47 PM
You're way out of the loop and it's obvious.

You're correct - all I know about aircraft is that they take me places I need to be. In fact, I have no knowledge of the airline industry whatsoever.

{breaks down sobbing}

Then again, I'm not the one jerking myself off over irrelevant tangents to the thread, so I'm not exactly heartbroken over this sad truth.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:48 PM
I was coming home from KDWH the other night and it was all I could do to say awake...

Auto pilot was on, passengers were asleep, if it wasnt for diverting into KADS for weather, I would of been in a coma...

Props were sync'd just right, nice quiet radio....... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

The worst for me is when the sun comes up. I just want to go into sleepy land.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:50 PM
Then again, I'm not the one jerking myself off over irrelevant tangents to the thread, .

Isn't Mizzou an irrelevant tangent? (runs and hides)


I Kid, I kid.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 04:50 PM
I'm sorry, but your occupation is wholly irrelevant to this thread.

But I'm excited to see that you've found a way to contribute because your football and/or conference realignment takes thus far have been really, truly terrible.

Is there anything else we could talk about that might make you more useful? We're all-inclusive here on CP and I hate to see anyone left out. How about the merits of Chicken vs. Fish during intercontinental travel? Would that give you a semi?

Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

KC native
10-25-2011, 04:52 PM
I think that they will compete, but beating the big teams week in and week out is a whole different ball game.


BTW, I am happy as hell to have TCU in the 12. :thumbsup:

Yes, we will compete and have a really good year here and there. Patterson is a great coach and recruiter. I'd much rather have 2-4 loss seasons in the Big 12 as opposed to going undefeated or nearly undefeated in the Mountain West.

KC native
10-25-2011, 04:53 PM
You beat Wisconsin...stop it.

and Oklahoma, and just about every other Big 12 team we've faced. Just admit it, you don't know jack shit about our program.

notorious
10-25-2011, 04:54 PM
Yes, we will compete and have a really good year here and there. Patterson is a great coach and recruiter. I'd much rather have 2-4 loss seasons in the Big 12 as opposed to going undefeated or nearly undefeated in the Mountain West.

Uh-Oh, you just reinforced Mizzou's stance.


BTW, Patterson should be a Wildcat. :D

Bowser
10-25-2011, 04:54 PM
Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

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DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:55 PM
Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

And the circle completes itself.

How could I have been so foolish? Of course the airline chatter was just a way to lure me into your fiendish trap.

How could I have walked into the "The SEC is full of Hillbillies" slam, so deviously disguised behind the meandering prattling on of a vacuous shitheel?

I have brought shame on my house.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 04:56 PM
Isn't Mizzou an irrelevant tangent? (runs and hides)


I Kid, I kid.

http://www.thewheelfx.com/lane/GIFS/1111__NEW/JackNicholsonFinger.gif

(Nicely done; not as good as "Ballsack?", but nicely done nontheless)

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 04:57 PM
The worst for me is when the sun comes up. I just want to go into sleepy land.

the worse for us is spring break when we are chasing the sun to CO in the evening on our 9th hour of flight of the day...

Knowing once you get your Pax's to Eagle or Grand Junction, you still have that 2 hour flight home...

KC native
10-25-2011, 04:59 PM
TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

I won't argue that there won't be kids from Texas that choose someone else over Missouri. But I will argue that it's being vastly overstated. Also, Missouri will have much better secondary recruiting areas after Missouri/Texas (LA, FLA, GA), which it will have to use to make up the gap).

They could, actually.

TCU is right there in Dallas; it's in a great spot. It won't start out-recruiting A&M over night, but as the rivalry between the Aggies and Longhorns starts to diminish (and it will; as will MU/KU), the kids that get turned down by UT won't be so eager to go to A&M and 'show them what they missed'.

In fact, TCU could end up that destination school.

TCU has made a HUGE move to get into the IIX. I think they're absolutely poised to become a viable replacement for A&M in Texas. They'll likely never come as close to a national championship as they did last season (really just one or two breaks and they're in that title game), but they'll have better teams and a better program (hmmmm...sound familiar?)

And yeah, they'll make recruiting Texas a little bit harder for the folks that already did well down there.

Good thing we're going to have some new recruiting grounds to sniff around in


TCU has been making tremendous improvements in recruiting prior to the Big 12 move. That's only going to get better.

Patterson has been an expert at going to top recruits and saying, "You could go to UT and be maybe 3rd, 4th on the depth chart and who knows who'll they'll get next year. Or, you can come to TCU and compete to start from your first year."

|Zach|
10-25-2011, 05:00 PM
So by all means, enlighten us.

Rivals says they've done a fantastic job this season in recruiting. You clearly have some keen insight to suggest otherwise.

So please, good sir, show us all just how badly damaged A&M has been by this whole thing.

You are an absolute joke.

Did Stewie ever drop these of nuggets of wisdom. I did some serious skimming.

KC native
10-25-2011, 05:02 PM
Uh-Oh, you just reinforced Mizzou's stance.


BTW, Patterson should be a Wildcat. :D

I have no problem with Mizzou bolting. It would have been nice if they would have stayed because I have a lot of friends back home that I would have enjoyed talking trash to.

But, Patterson isn't going anywhere. He's getting $3 million a year at TCU and whatever he wants from boosters. Plus, his wife is from Fort Worth. So Patterson is staying. I'm actually happy about the move because that will kill those Patterson to K State rumors that come up every couple of years.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:03 PM
Did Stewie ever drop these of nuggets of wisdom. I did some serious skimming.

Nope - he's moved onto instructing us all as to the intricacies of the commercial flight industry.

I'm waiting for some hard-hitting analysis on that particular front, but he assures us all that his vocation involved airlines so I'm confident that it will be coming soon.

Oh wait - he's also a useless prick, we've established that pretty strongly as well.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 05:03 PM
And the circle completes itself.

How could I have been so foolish? Of course the airline chatter was just a way to lure me into your fiendish trap.

How could I have walked into the "The SEC is full of Hillbillies" slam, so deviously disguised behind the meandering prattling on of a vacuous shitheel?

I have brought shame on my house.

Circles? Huh? If that's how you see them.

It went from:

"MU is an academic institution and the Big 10 would love to have us!"

To:

"We love the SEC! We don't care that we're associated with shitty academic schools!"

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 05:07 PM
Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

Awesome smack from a guy who's conference is adding West Virginia.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:08 PM
Awesome smack from a guy who's conference is adding West Virginia.

Eh, its still better than "Oh yeah, well what do you know about flight patterns?"

Stewie
10-25-2011, 05:09 PM
Awesome smack from a guy who's conference is adding West Virginia.

Better than MU. At least they've been in the game. MU has never won anything... EVER!

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 05:09 PM
Circles? Huh? If that's how you see them.

It went from:

"MU is an academic institution and the Big 10 would love to have us!"

To:

"We love the SEC! We don't care that we're associated with shitty academic schools!"

Half of the good academic schools just left the Big IIX, and you just added West Virginia. You might want to cool the academic shit-talking.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:10 PM
Better than MU. At least they've been in the game. MU has never won anything... EVER!

Point.
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Stewie's head

Stewie
10-25-2011, 05:11 PM
Eh, its still better than "Oh yeah, well what do you know about flight patterns?"

What's your expertise? I'd love to hear all about everything you know. 2+2=4?

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:11 PM
Circles? Huh? If that's how you see them.

It went from:

"MU is an academic institution and the Big 10 would love to have us!"

To:

"We love the SEC! We don't care that we're associated with shitty academic schools!"

See previous post.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 05:11 PM
Better than MU. At least they've been in the game. MU has never won anything... EVER!

Now I understand why you think your posts are smart. You don't read them.

Reaper16
10-25-2011, 05:11 PM
Point.
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Stewie's head
The point is the approximate distance from Stewie's head as an airplane would be.

duncan_idaho
10-25-2011, 05:12 PM
TCU has been making tremendous improvements in recruiting prior to the Big 12 move. That's only going to get better.

Patterson has been an expert at going to top recruits and saying, "You could go to UT and be maybe 3rd, 4th on the depth chart and who knows who'll they'll get next year. Or, you can come to TCU and compete to start from your first year."

Patterson is a great coach, and I have nothing but respect for what he's done at TCU (And I would argue the Mountain West has been better than the Big East the past 3-4 years, even).

TCU has done a great job identifying and using talent from the second- and third-tiers in Texas, and I expect that to continue.

Too bad for cat fans. Doubt Patterson ever leaves that job now that it's in a major conference.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 05:12 PM
Now I understand why you think your posts are smart. You don't read them.

I've always said MU has never won anything.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:12 PM
What's your expertise? I'd love to hear all about everything you know. 2+2=4?

Now now, puddin', I wouldn't want to bore the rest of the board with all that.

It's findable if you feel like doing the legwork, but this thread isn't about me.

Please - tell us more about airspeed vs. groundspeed.

Bowser
10-25-2011, 05:12 PM
Better than MU. At least they've been in the game. MU has never won anything... EVER!

Bullshit. We've won the "Get the Fuck Out From Under Texas' Thumb" race.

Pants
10-25-2011, 05:13 PM
Bullshit. We've won the "Get the **** Out From Under Texas' Thumb" race.

Did you commission a trophy for that yet? ;)

Bowser
10-25-2011, 05:14 PM
Did you commission a trophy for that yet?

It's under construction. We're making it out of chapped Jayhawk asses and Keitzman's rage. Should be huge.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 05:15 PM
I've always said MU has never won anything.

Care to toss some more hillbilly smack while celebrating the addition of West Virginia?

Stewie
10-25-2011, 05:16 PM
Know know, puddin', I wouldn't want to bore the rest of the board with all that.

It's findable if you feel like doing the legwork, but this thread isn't about me.

Please - tell us more about airspeed vs. groundspeed.

Wait! What? You're suddenly a physicist?

Stewie
10-25-2011, 05:17 PM
Care to toss some more hillbilly smack while celebrating the addition of West Virginia?

One hillbilly team is acceptable. Half the league? Not so much.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:20 PM
Wait! What? You're suddenly a physicist?

Nah - just stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Stewie
10-25-2011, 05:22 PM
Nah - just stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

Thanks Einstein.

notorious
10-25-2011, 05:24 PM
I have no problem with Mizzou bolting. It would have been nice if they would have stayed because I have a lot of friends back home that I would have enjoyed talking trash to.
.

I was referring to the "We would rather lose 4 in a tough conference then have a shot at the BCS in an average conference" take. That is the going theme for Mizzou fans in the discussion.

DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:29 PM
Thanks Einstein.

We can all aspire to your level, but few can ever truly hope to reach it.

Please sir, tell us all about that time that Ann Richards made sure Texas Tech got included in the Big XII.

Saul Good
10-25-2011, 05:34 PM
One hillbilly team is acceptable. Half the league? Not so much.

So the guy from the state of 2 million people and no major pro sports teams is calling a state with 6,000,000 people and 5 teams hillbilly? Sounds right. It's amazing that every resident in Kansas seems to be magnetically attracted to the state of Missouri. I mean, your largest population base is a suburb of a Missouri city yet the irony of your comments is completely lost on you.

KcMizzou
10-25-2011, 05:38 PM
http://www.tigerboard.com/uimages/user20022_1.jpg

Mojo Jojo
10-25-2011, 05:39 PM
We can all aspire to your level, but few can ever truly hope to reach it.

Please sir, tell us all about that time that Ann Richards made sure Texas Tech got included in the Big XII.

Ann Richards made sure Baylor was in the Big 12...it is her Alma Mater...Big 8 schools wanted Houston, but Ann wouldn't let it happen without Baylor...Tech was always involved.

notorious
10-25-2011, 05:40 PM
It's amazing that every resident in Kansas seems to be magnetically attracted to the state of Missouri.

Not out West, just the East. But nearly all of the residents east of Hutchinson doesn't even know the west side of the state exists.

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
Find a Stewardess to finish.
:thumb:

Now we are talking!

Here ya go.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/steven%20slater.jpg

Trevo_410
10-25-2011, 05:40 PM
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DJ's left nut
10-25-2011, 05:42 PM
Ann Richards made sure Baylor was in the Big 12...it is her Alma Mater...Big 8 schools wanted Houston, but Ann wouldn't let it happen without Baylor...Tech was always involved.

(I know this already; you'll need to read back a little bit to see where I'm going with this one...)

eazyb81
10-25-2011, 05:42 PM
http://mizzou2sec.com/new_big12_sec.jpg

kstater
10-25-2011, 05:45 PM
Bullshit. We've won the "Get the Fuck Out From Under Texas' Thumb" race.

Don't forget they tied for the Big 12 North 3 times in 15 years.

notorious
10-25-2011, 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
Find a Stewardess to finish.


Here ya go.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/steven%20slater.jpg


Jerk. LMAO


Steward -ESS.

KC native
10-25-2011, 06:04 PM
I was referring to the "We would rather lose 4 in a tough conference then have a shot at the BCS in an average conference" take. That is the going theme for Mizzou fans in the discussion.

Yea. Unlike MU, TCU will have a better shot at the BCS on a consistent basis if we keep doing what we've been doing. The Big 12 isn't as tough as the SEC. Mizzou, in all likelihood, is probably going to consistently be around the bottom of the league.

I personally would rather see the rivalries in the Big 12 and take more losses but have more enjoyable games. I can't wait for the first time we beat UT in Austin. The arrogance of UT fans is fucking annoying as shit.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 06:14 PM
American Eagle is a partner to AA. Separate companies, separate liabilities.

but AE is is comprised of 2 wholly owned subsidiaries that fly the routes?

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 06:18 PM
That is awesome, for sure. Are they being subsidized by the community? Wichita was doing that for a while, but they must have stopped.

I don't believe so. They are no longer EAS. I think they did get a federal grant for marketing and strategic implementation costs.

kchero
10-25-2011, 06:48 PM
So the guy from the state of 2 million people and no major pro sports teams is calling a state with 6,000,000 people and 5 teams hillbilly? Sounds right. It's amazing that every resident in Kansas seems to be magnetically attracted to the state of Missouri. I mean, your largest population base is a suburb of a Missouri city yet the irony of your comments is completely lost on you.

No sh*t ROFL

KChiefs1
10-25-2011, 06:50 PM
http://mizzou2sec.com/new_big12_sec.jpg

Can't wait until the Big Texas Bevo conference adds BYU & Louisville! That would be some conference footprint!

Al Bundy
10-25-2011, 07:06 PM
Ann Richards made sure Baylor was in the Big 12...it is her Alma Mater...Big 8 schools wanted Houston, but Ann wouldn't let it happen without Baylor...Tech was always involved.

I addressed Stewie about his dipshittery as well.

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 07:45 PM
Sorry that you spent so much time on my posts. MU belongs in the hillbilly conference. It's been quite apparent that when the Big 10 snubbed MU and Texas was a big bully that the tiggers would tuck tail and run. Now you can get a major in whittlin' and rockin'!

One hillbilly team is acceptable. Half the league? Not so much.

JFC you are one dumb motherfucker.

USNews 2011 college rankings:

Vanderbilt 17
Texas 45
Florida 58
Texas A&M 58
Georgia 62
Alabama 75
Baylor 75
Auburn 82
Missouri 90
Iowa State 97
TCU 97
Tennessee 101
Kansas 101
Oklahoma 101
South Carolina 111
Kentucky 124
Louisiana State 128
Arkansas 132
Oklahoma State 132
Kansas State 143
Mississippi 143
Mississippi State 157
Texas Tech 160
West Virginia 164

Top-100:
SEC 7
Big XII 4

AAU:
SEC 4
Big XII 3

Average:
SEC 95
Big XII 101

kchero
10-25-2011, 07:48 PM
JFC you are one dumb mother****er.

USNews 2011 college rankings:

Vanderbilt 17
Texas 45
Florida 58
Texas A&M 58
Georgia 62
Alabama 75
Baylor 75
Auburn 82
Missouri 90
Iowa State 97
TCU 97
Tennessee 101
Kansas 101
Oklahoma 101
South Carolina 111
Kentucky 124
Louisiana State 128
Arkansas 132
Oklahoma State 132
Kansas State 143
Mississippi 143
Mississippi State 157
Texas Tech 160
West Virginia 164

Top-100:
SEC 7
Big XII 4

AAU:
SEC 4
Big XII 3

Average:
SEC 95
Big XII 101

Nice

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 07:53 PM
JFC you are one dumb mother****er.

USNews 2011 college rankings:

Vanderbilt 17
Texas 45
Florida 58
Texas A&M 58
Georgia 62
Alabama 75
Baylor 75
Auburn 82
Missouri 90
Iowa State 97
TCU 97
Tennessee 101
Kansas 101
Oklahoma 101
South Carolina 111
Kentucky 124
Louisiana State 128
Arkansas 132
Oklahoma State 132
Kansas State 143
Mississippi 143
Mississippi State 157
Texas Tech 160
West Virginia 164

Top-100:
SEC 7
Big XII 4

AAU:
SEC 4
Big XII 3

Average:
SEC 95
Big XII 101

so your point is they're smart hillbillies?

DaKCMan AP
10-25-2011, 08:11 PM
so your point is they're smart hillbillies?

No, West Virginians are not smart hillbillies.

Reerun_KC
10-25-2011, 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
Find a Stewardess to finish.


Here ya go.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/steven%20slater.jpg

Now if I had one of those on my flight, how would I ever get you out of our airplane?

Frazod
10-25-2011, 08:15 PM
Can't wait until the Big Texas Bevo conference adds BYU & Louisville! That would be some conference footprint!

Sort of looks like a reverse Florida now.

notorious
10-25-2011, 08:38 PM
Now if I had one of those on my flight, how would I ever get you out of our airplane?

He would get off, just not off the airplane.

RustShack
10-25-2011, 09:10 PM
A little off topic, but thought it was interesting so thought I'd post it.

1. Big XII has 8 teams in top 26
2. 4 teams in top 10
3. 5 teams in top 15
4. Iowa #58 , ISU #62
5. Iowa’s top ranked win (Pitt) #67
6. Other Iowa wins and where ranked…..NW 110, LM 122, IN 142, TN Tech 171
7. ISU losses: Texas #24 Baylor #21 Missouri #26 Texas A&M #6
8. strength of schedule rank: ISU #7 Iowa #118
9. Other teams with hard schedules - Auburn 5-2 #1 Kansas 2-5 #2 A&M 5-2 #3 Tenn. 3-4 #4 Mizz. 3-4 #5 AZ. 2-5 #6 ISU 3-4 #7 MD 2-5 #8

RustShack
10-25-2011, 09:10 PM
A little off topic, but thought it was interesting so thought I'd post it.

1. Big XII has 8 teams in top 26
2. 4 teams in top 10
3. 5 teams in top 15
4. Iowa #58 , ISU #62
5. Iowa’s top ranked win (Pitt) #67
6. Other Iowa wins and where ranked…..NW 110, LM 122, IN 142, TN Tech 171
7. ISU losses: Texas #24 Baylor #21 Missouri #26 Texas A&M #6
8. strength of schedule rank: ISU #7 Iowa #118
9. Other teams with hard schedules - Auburn 5-2 #1 Kansas 2-5 #2 A&M 5-2 #3 Tenn. 3-4 #4 Mizz. 3-4 #5 AZ. 2-5 #6 ISU 3-4 #7 MD 2-5 #8

RustShack
10-25-2011, 09:11 PM
BCS appearances: TCU (2), WVU (2), A&M (1), Missouri (0)» truth hurts.. bye

Reaper16
10-25-2011, 09:14 PM
Am I the only fan that doesn't give a shit about BCS bowls? It's an arbitrary designation. The only reason that a BCS bowl game is important is because say it is, because we let the BCS exist. If you're not in the national championship then all I care about is win-loss record. Bowl games are so stupid and meaningless.

RustShack
10-25-2011, 09:14 PM
slmandel Stewart Mandel
by ChrisMWilliams
Survey: Did Big 12 upgrade going from Mizzou to WVU? WVU 2 BCS appearances and a Final Four since '05. Mizzou: zero and zero.

RustShack
10-25-2011, 09:14 PM
Those were a few tweets from earlier... sorry if already posted(sure they were).

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 09:15 PM
A little off topic, but thought it was interesting so thought I'd post it.

1. Big XII has 8 teams in top 26
2. 4 teams in top 10
3. 5 teams in top 15
4. Iowa #58 , ISU #62
5. Iowa’s top ranked win (Pitt) #67
6. Other Iowa wins and where ranked…..NW 110, LM 122, IN 142, TN Tech 171
7. ISU losses: Texas #24 Baylor #21 Missouri #26 Texas A&M #6
8. strength of schedule rank: ISU #7 Iowa #118
9. Other teams with hard schedules - Auburn 5-2 #1 Kansas 2-5 #2 A&M 5-2 #3 Tenn. 3-4 #4 Mizz. 3-4 #5 AZ. 2-5 #6 ISU 3-4 #7 MD 2-5 #8

The only thing interesting about any of that? I don't think a lot of it is true. What poll is this? The Big 12 doesn't have 8 teams in the Top 25 of either major poll or the BCS, nor does it have your next 2 stats.

mikeyis4dcats.
10-25-2011, 09:16 PM
slmandel Stewart Mandel
by ChrisMWilliams
Survey: Did Big 12 upgrade going from Mizzou to WVU? WVU 2 BCS appearances and a Final Four since '05. Mizzou: zero and zero.

Mandel BUTTHURT!

tk13
10-25-2011, 09:16 PM
One of the most hilarious things to me is the BCS conference fans who not 12 months ago sat around arguing how TCU wasn't deserving of anything... have now done a 180 and are arguing how they're such a great addition to these conferences and holding their BCS appearances in great esteem.

RustShack
10-25-2011, 09:18 PM
The only thing interesting about any of that? I don't think a lot of it is true. What poll is this? The Big 12 doesn't have 8 teams in the Top 25 of either major poll or the BCS, nor does it have your next 2 stats.

I really don't know what poll that came from.