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Lzen
09-20-2011, 12:39 PM
http://www.rockmnation.com/2011/9/19/2436901/portraits-of-conference-realignment

Snort.

LMAO

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 12:41 PM
Missouri should already have their bags packed.

mnchiefsguy
09-20-2011, 12:43 PM
The league exit fees are garnered from withholdings of TV dollars. There's no actual exchange of cash from the school to the conference.

Would be hard to stay long enough to gather those, in this case.

If that is the case, then screw them. Pack up our bags and get the hell out of here. That is money Mizzou would never see anyways. I thought the exit fees was a combination of withholding TV revenue, plus additional funds, but if is just withholding a check no one is ever going to see, then it is time to exit.

Reerun_KC
09-20-2011, 12:43 PM
Missouri should already have their bags packed.

Uh Yeah... Screw the Big 12...

I would give your left nut if KU would step up and GTFO of this dying conference...

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 12:52 PM
So is this SEC offer like the Big 10 offer that we had last summer?

Chocolate Hog
09-20-2011, 12:54 PM
Gonna be tough winning that conference.

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 12:55 PM
So is this SEC offer like the Big 10 offer that we had last summer?I don't think so. People in the know appear to be reporting it, although I'm sure their will be some denial given the legal ramifications.

Frazod
09-20-2011, 01:04 PM
So is this SEC offer like the Big 10 offer that we had last summer?

That's why I'm in I'll-believe-it-when-I-see-it mode. This could still explode all over us like a bloated corpse.

But if it does happen, I'm fine with it.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 01:04 PM
http://twitter.com/sptwri/statuses/116225722720337920

From mike:

On saying this is a painter repeat. Not in The Star. We did not print Painter had taken MU job.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 01:11 PM
Moving to the SEC is a great opportunity for Mizzou, if the offer is there I'd take it before they change their mind.

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2011, 01:13 PM
Gonna be tough winning that conference.

It'd be tough getting to the conference championship game, let alone winning.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 01:14 PM
KK says that Missouri shouldn't go to the SEC because the football teams are good there. Thus the schedule would be brutal.

Dude is clearly a Chiefs fan.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 01:15 PM
KK says that Missouri shouldn't go to the SEC because the football teams are good there. Thus the schedule would be brutal.

Dude is clearly a Chiefs fan.

Lots of people wouldn't like the idea of playing Alabama, LSU, Florida etc in the same season--possibly all on the road.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 01:16 PM
If the SEC is at 14, who are the next two? Florida State and Virginia Tech maybe?

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 01:17 PM
Lots of people wouldn't like the idea of playing Alabama, LSU, Florida etc in the same season--possibly all on the road.

You want to develop an elite program, you need to be able to compete with the best.

Otherwise, it's all a joke anyway. Beyond this, going to a stable conference should be the first and foremost priority.

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2011, 01:17 PM
If the SEC is at 14, who are the next two? Florida State and Virginia Tech maybe?

Unlikely to grab ACC teams. Florida State won't get in. Florida, Alabama, and Georgia don't want them in the conference and the SEC doesn't want to add more teams from states where they already have a presence.

The SEC doesn't necessarily have to expand to 16 teams.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 01:19 PM
Unlikely to grab ACC teams. Florida State won't get in. Florida, Alabama, and Georgia don't want them in the conference and the SEC doesn't want to add more teams from states where they already have a presence.

The SEC doesn't necessarily have to expand to 16 teams.

They'll go to 16 eventually, hopefully they grab stronger programs than Mizzou and A&M with that last 2. (no offense anyone) o:-)

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 01:20 PM
You want to develop an elite program, you need to be able to compete with the best.

Otherwise, it's all a joke anyway. Beyond this, going to a stable conference should be the first and foremost priority.

Going to the SEC is a huge opportunity, they should absolutely do it. You can't win the national title if you don't play in the SEC anymore anyway... LMAO

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 01:22 PM
Lots of people wouldn't like the idea of playing Alabama, LSU, Florida etc in the same season--possibly all on the road.

Pussies.

Molitoth
09-20-2011, 01:24 PM
If the SEC is at 14, who are the next two? Florida State and Virginia Tech maybe?

WV

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 01:25 PM
WV

I hope not. LMAO

OU is the team that I wonder about. Does the SEC not want them, or are they too scared to go play there?

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 01:28 PM
Dave Matter had some thoughts that I share.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblogs/behind-the-stripes/2011/sep/16/four-and-out/

(after talking about different conferences and how Mizzou would fit into them)

Will it make for an easier path to the BCS? Absolutely. And that's the standard a lot of writers are giving for which conference makes the most sense for Missouri. I respectfully disagree. Since when has the only standard for Missouri football been winning championships? Why is the easiest path the best path? (Maybe it's because we have full-time careers, two high-maintenance dogs and very active 22-month-old twin boys, but my wife and I have a saying around our house: "Easy is boring." I think it applies to Missouri football's conference situation, too.)

Would the SEC be a meat grinder each and every week? Absolutely. But what's wrong with that? Would Missouri have to recalibrate its expectations in the SEC? Most likely, yes. Would recruiting get an SEC bump with kids who'd rather play against LSU, Alabama, Auburn and Florida? Possibly, yes.

Maybe I'm in the minority among my peers, but I find the journey more compelling than the conclusion. Wouldn't a pressure cooker regular season with games against traditional football powers be far more entertaining than a home lineup against the likes of Cincinnati, Rutgers or Air Force? I probably don't have the best perspective on this. Because I don’t care about the outcome each week or the team's final record. As long as Missouri plays in a relevant conference and plays important games, with a few appealing road trips along the way, I'm a happy guy. For my tastes, an 8-4 season in the SEC is far more interesting to cover as a journalist than 10-2 in some patched together Big 12 or Big East. Missouri should think big. Forget about finding the easiest path to college football's artificial, corporate-sponsored, postseason end game. College football should be about September, October and November — not some bloated bowl system.

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2011, 01:29 PM
I hope not. LMAO

OU is the team that I wonder about. Does the SEC not want them, or are they too scared to go play there?

The SEC doesn't want OSU and they're a package deal.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 01:44 PM
The SEC doesn't want OSU and they're a package deal.

That's too bad.

chiefsfan987
09-20-2011, 01:46 PM
According to Tweets from Clay Travis, who covers Tennessee, "SEC now denies it has given Missouri an offer to join SEC. League not happy about this story going public"

Frazod
09-20-2011, 01:46 PM
The SEC doesn't want OSU and they're a package deal.

I hope this is true, if for no other reason that we'll get to hear that douche Boone cry about it.

evenfall
09-20-2011, 01:51 PM
The SEC doesn't want OSU and they're a package deal.

So this is KU's problem. They are anchored to KSU

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 01:52 PM
According to Tweets from Clay Travis, who covers Tennessee, "SEC now denies it has given Missouri an offer to join SEC. League not happy about this story going public"

Next up: SEC retracts offer from Missouri. Will now explore adding WV.

patteeu
09-20-2011, 01:56 PM
According to Tweets from Clay Travis, who covers Tennessee, "SEC now denies it has given Missouri an offer to join SEC. League not happy about this story going public"

So they deny it and they are upset it went public? That seems like awkward phrasing unless it's not completely true.

Chocolate Hog
09-20-2011, 01:57 PM
The SEC doesn't want OSU and they're a package deal.

You don't want Boone Pickens?

Bambi
09-20-2011, 01:58 PM
According to Tweets from Clay Travis, who covers Tennessee, "SEC now denies it has given Missouri an offer to join SEC. League not happy about this story going public"

not only that...

damn son LMAO

https://twitter.com/#!/ClayTravisBGID/status/116233544564621312

bowener
09-20-2011, 02:06 PM
not only that...

damn son LMAO

https://twitter.com/#!/ClayTravisBGID/status/116233544564621312 (https://twitter.com/#%21/ClayTravisBGID/status/116233544564621312)

Somebody (Alden?) is a fucking idiot.

Again.

Pants
09-20-2011, 02:06 PM
not only that...

damn son LMAO

https://twitter.com/#!/ClayTravisBGID/status/116233544564621312 (https://twitter.com/#%21/ClayTravisBGID/status/116233544564621312)

That's not going to change anything, MU and A&M are both going to end up in the SEC. Kansas on the other hand...

/ugh

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 02:07 PM
I bet they leaked it to see if the Big 10 wants to make a play. I agree with Pants it won't change anything. Sure the SEC wanted to do this quietly.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 02:08 PM
"Likely furious."

Sounds like likely guess-work.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 02:09 PM
"Likely furious."

Sounds like likely guess-work.

LMAO

Chocolate Hog
09-20-2011, 02:09 PM
That's not going to change anything, MU and A&M are both going to end up in the SEC. Kansas on the other hand...

/ugh

Haha

Pants
09-20-2011, 02:10 PM
Haha

Why is this funny?

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 02:10 PM
Clay Travis is a know-nothing douchebag, for what its worth. That dude is hated here in Tuscaloosa.

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 02:11 PM
so i heard u like divisions

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/708826/Screen_shot_2011-09-08_at_9.47.12_AM.png

Chocolate Hog
09-20-2011, 02:13 PM
OU now demanding Bebee to be fired

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 02:16 PM
I bet they leaked it to see if the Big 10 wants to make a play. I agree with Pants it won't change anything. Sure the SEC wanted to do this quietly.

Yep, wouldn't surprise me at all.

I'm really not that worried about Mizzou's landing spot. I think we are the prettiest girl left for conferences that are racing to increase their footprint and TV markets before superconference armageddon.

Bambi
09-20-2011, 02:16 PM
Clay Travis is a know-nothing douchebag, for what its worth. That dude is hated here in Tuscaloosa.

He's a Tenn fan no?

Of course he's hated.

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 02:18 PM
He's a Tenn fan no?

Of course he's hated.
It is different than, say, the level of hatred that Mizzou fans have for Bob Fescoe. Clay Travis tries to make up scandals and NCAA violations out of thin air. He's desperate and pathetic.

kstater
09-20-2011, 02:30 PM
So this is KU's problem. They are anchored to KSU

Yup. How you like dem apples?

Bambi
09-20-2011, 02:32 PM
It is different than, say, the level of hatred that Mizzou fans have for Bob Fescoe. Clay Travis tries to make up scandals and NCAA violations out of thin air. He's desperate and pathetic.

I see.

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2011, 02:35 PM
so i heard u like divisions

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/708826/Screen_shot_2011-09-08_at_9.47.12_AM.png

More likely that Mizzou is in the West and Auburn in the East, IMAO.

Bambi
09-20-2011, 02:36 PM
Do what? I thought this wasn't happening AlwaysWrongenson.

quoted

LiveSteam
09-20-2011, 02:37 PM
OU now demanding Bebee to be fired

I heard that to. Bebee must be fired & the LHN must go away,For OU to stay committed to the Big 12. Now OU is calling the shots. LMAO

ChiTown
09-20-2011, 02:38 PM
http://www.rockmnation.com/2011/9/19/2436901/portraits-of-conference-realignment

Snort.

THAT might be one of the most creatively funny things that I have ever read. BRAVO!:clap:

Frazod
09-20-2011, 02:40 PM
I heard that to. Bebee must be fired & the LHN must go away,For OU to stay committed to the Big 12. Now OU is calling the shots. LMAO

Another rumor I hope is true - I'd love to see these two gargantuan fucking turds turn on each other.

58-4ever
09-20-2011, 02:43 PM
They have never liked each other.

Garcia Bronco
09-20-2011, 02:45 PM
If the SEC is at 14, who are the next two? Florida State and Virginia Tech maybe?

I can't speak for FSU, but Virginia Tech will NOT leave the ACC under any circumstances. We've been trying o get in it since the late 60's.

Mosbonian
09-20-2011, 02:45 PM
Another rumor I hope is true - I'd love to see these two gargantuan ****ing turds turn on each other.

Fraz....I just feel like you are holding something back. LMAO

Garcia Bronco
09-20-2011, 02:48 PM
WV

The SEC has already turned down WVU.

duncan_idaho
09-20-2011, 02:55 PM
Article from Sporting News confirms SEC interest in Mizzou (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-09-20/missouri-gets-offer-to-join-sec).

I used to work closely with Matt Hayes, and if he has confirmed this through one of his sources, it's likely pretty good info.

Matt has great sources in the SEC office, at UF, at Tenn, at South Carolina, and at UGA.

Can't imagine it's the same sourcing that the DeArmonds are hearing from, either.

duncan_idaho
09-20-2011, 03:00 PM
Somebody (Alden?) is a ****ing idiot.

Again.

This wasn't Alden. It was a booster (for Mike's story). Likely someone who is either strongly pro-SEC and trying to push Missouri that way or someone who is strongly anti-SEC and trying to prevent it from happening.

Matt Hayes >>>>>>>>> Clay Travis

when it comes to sourcing. Check Hayes' twitter, nervous Missouri fans.

LiveSteam
09-20-2011, 03:03 PM
Another rumor I hope is true - I'd love to see these two gargantuan fucking turds turn on each other.

OU & UT are so in this together. Its like good cop,bad cop. I hope they both burn to the ground.

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 03:36 PM
Missouri Board of Curators announces a meeting for Thursday morning.

Hmmmm........

kstater
09-20-2011, 03:44 PM
There is a serious effort being made, led by Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, to try to save the Big 12, according to a high-placed administrator at a Big 12 school.

It will either be the Big 12's Hail Mary or its last gasp.

The administrator said Deaton, the head of the Big 12's five-member expansion committee, is trying to get everyone back to the table to try to see if the Big 12 can work out its differences.

A regent at another Big 12 school said he he was optimistic the conference could heal its problems.

Oklahoma State mega booster Boone Pickens was quoted by The Oklahoman saying Pickens had called Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a former yell leader at A&M, to try and fix the Big 12.

But Texas A&M spokesman Jason Cook released a statement to Orangebloods.com that "Texas A&M has made our intentions perfectly clear. We do not intend to be a member of the Big 12 past this season."

The question then becomes if Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State can live together in a nine-member Big 12?

And The Oklahoman quotes an unnamed, high-ranking Big 12 source as saying Oklahoma has a list of demands to hold the Big 12 together, including replacing commissioner Dan Beebe and for Texas to make some concessions as it pertains to the Longhorn Network.

The newspaper quotes sources saying OU was angered by ESPN getting a waiver from Fox to show a second game on the Longhorn Network and surprising the rest of the conference with the news.

The sources also tell the Oklahoman OU was upset when ESPN vowed to show high school highlights even after it was deemed impermissible by the NCAA to show high school games on LHN.

In general, the sources tell The Oklahoman, the Big 12 has a big trust problem that has to be rectified.

The Oklahoman also quotes a source saying Dan Beebe only serves one school - Texas.

The newspaper reports, ironically, Texas supported Jack Swarbrick as commissioner of the Big 12 and OU supported Beebe when Beebe was awarded the job as leader of the Big 12. Swarbrick is now the athletic director at Notre Dame.

Sources across the Big 12 confirm to Orangebloods.com that there is definitely a movement to try to save the Big 12 led by Deaton that may involve some radical proposals.

We will have more details as they become available.

A high-ranking official at a Big 12 school said, "The Big 12 is going to stay intact except for Texas A&M."

We will see if that's wishful thinking and the Big 12's Hail Mary - one year after a similar rescue attempt was successful - or if it's the Big 12's last gasp.

Stay tuned.
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Stewie
09-20-2011, 03:49 PM
I also heard that Pickens pressed the issue of not going to the Pac-xx even though they are part of the package. If UT and OU were willing to give a bunch of concessions to join that league, why not save the Big XII?

vailpass
09-20-2011, 03:50 PM
THAT might be one of the most creatively funny things that I have ever read. BRAVO!:clap:

Yeah that was pretty damn funny.

vailpass
09-20-2011, 03:52 PM
I also heard that Pickens pressed the issue of not going to the Pac-xx even though they are part of the package. If UT and OU were willing to give a bunch of concessions to join that league, why not save the Big XII?

The amount of UT/OU cock that will have to be swallowed to keep them B12 may be very large.

Stewie
09-20-2011, 03:57 PM
The amount of UT/OU cock that will have to be swallowed to keep them B12 may be very large.

No one wants them without major concessions. People think they're in the drivers seat, but they're not by a long shot. Let Texas go to the Pac-xx with no LHN, no monetary advantage and even distribution of funds, etc.... and then add in the abortion of a "pod" system of games.

duncan_idaho
09-20-2011, 04:00 PM
It sounds like OU's lists of demands is pretty ridiculous. If I had to guess, I'd bet they were making a token effort to save the Big 12 for spin purposes later (we tried to save it, honest we did!).

Stewie
09-20-2011, 04:02 PM
It sounds like OU's lists of demands is pretty ridiculous. If I had to guess, I'd bet they were making a token effort to save the Big 12 for spin purposes later (we tried to save it, honest we did!).

They're pressing Texas and they damned well should. I'm sure the Pac-xx is loving the complete meltdown of the teams they want in their league.

Anyong Bluth
09-20-2011, 04:14 PM
It sounds like OU's lists of demands is pretty ridiculous. If I had to guess, I'd bet they were making a token effort to save the Big 12 for spin purposes later (we tried to save it, honest we did!).

How so? Every other major conf shares revenue equally, and no conf is going to take UT with LAN as it is. UT misrepresented the scope of the network, and Beebe has been ineffective in preventing or looking out for the conf's future. When Neb wanted to leave last year he couldn't even go up there to sit down & talk with them.

RustShack
09-20-2011, 04:28 PM
Pac doesn't want OSU or Tech. They would still take Texas and Oklahoma though. But like I've been saying from the beginning, Oklahoma and Texas still want to keep the Big12 together.

RustShack
09-20-2011, 04:33 PM
But it doesn't sound like BYU is a lock anymore. Sounds like TCU, Louisville, and South Florida are now the teams on the Big12 radar after those other BigEast schools jumped ship.

Mosbonian
09-20-2011, 04:33 PM
Maybe it's just me, but as an MU fan I would just as soon get the hell out of the Big 12. Any attempt to save it now is just another delay until Texas gets what it wants from another conference or decides to go independent. OU may stay here this year but when the PAC 12 comes calling again, at that time they will pack up and go.

To hell with this soap opera we see every year. Let's get out while we still have some sense of our dignity and a decent conference wants us. Otherwise we'll join the rest of what will be left of the Big 12 next year looking for a MWC/MAC or Big Least merger.

vailpass
09-20-2011, 04:35 PM
Maybe it's just me, but as an MU fan I would just as soon get the hell out of the Big 12. Any attempt to save it now is just another delay until Texas gets what it wants from another conference or decides to go independent. OU may stay here this year but when the PAC 12 comes calling again, at that time they will pack up and go.

To hell with this soap opera we see every year. Let's get out while we still have some sense of our dignity and a decent conference wants us. Otherwise we'll join the rest of what will be left of the Big 12 next year looking for a MWC/MAC or Big Least merger.

MU would be a solid addition to any conference. Solid all-around athletics, academically sound and two TV markets.
I don't understand why some MU fans (not singling you out) seem worried about not getting a seat at a good table.

Mosbonian
09-20-2011, 04:42 PM
MU would be a solid addition to any conference. Solid all-around athletics, academically sound and two TV markets.
I don't understand why some MU fans (not singling you out) seem worried about not getting a seat at a good table.

That' OK vailpass...I'm fine with being singled out. I stepped out and put this here.

My biggest concern is Brady Deaton...here's a guy who could be handed a note with the winning numbers for tomorrow's Powerball and still manage to not win it.

And if he can't mess it up, then our old buddy Mike will.

KcMizzou
09-20-2011, 04:52 PM
Sounds like we'd be in the SEC West.

Tentative plan for Mizzou to join SEC, Auburn would move to East, sources say

Mizzou logo 9-20-11.jpeg

The Southeastern Conference and the University of Missouri have informally agreed that, barring new developments, the school will join the league and that Auburn University will move to the SEC East Division, according to two people familiar with the discussions.

A majority of presidents has endorsed the informal agreement, the sources said.

The league already plans to add Texas A&M as its 13th member, provided potential legal challenges from some remaining Big 12 members disappear. Missouri, also a member of the Big 12, would be the 14th member of the SEC.

Because both of those schools are located to the western side of the SEC's basic footprint, that prompted discussions of moving a current West Division school to the East Division. Auburn is the easternmost school in the West Division. A third person familiar with the discussions confirmed that Auburn would move to the East if Missouri joins the league.

A timetable for when Missouri would join the SEC, if the informal agreement becomes official, was not immediately known.

On Monday, the boards of regents of two big-name Big 12 schools, Texas and Oklahoma, authorized their presidents to explore new conferences. Oklahoma's president said it is considering the Pac-12, as might Texas. The presidents of both schools have said remaining in the Big 12 remains an option.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/09/tentative_plan_for_mizzou_to_j.html

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 05:37 PM
OU now demanding Bebee to be fired

"Saving" the Big 12 is a complete waste of energy at this point unless TX is going to become a "regular" member, which they will never support. Therefore, putting a Band-Aid on this whole thing seems like an incredible exercise in futility.

Everyone who can get the hell out should.

vailpass
09-20-2011, 05:42 PM
That' OK vailpass...I'm fine with being singled out. I stepped out and put this here.

My biggest concern is Brady Deaton...here's a guy who could be handed a note with the winning numbers for tomorrow's Powerball and still manage to not win it.

And if he can't mess it up, then our old buddy Mike will.

Don't sell yourself short Judge Schmaels; you're a tremendous slouch. :D
Mizzou will be fine.

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 05:44 PM
Mizzou to the SEC East makes way more sense than it does to the SEC West. Missouri borders two East states vs one West state. Plus, Auburn moving East would really affect schedules. SEC teams get exactly one cross-division game added to their permanent schedule. Alabama's permanent rival is Tennessee. If Auburn moves East then it means that Alabama would have to choose either TN or AU.

Putting Mizzou in the east preserves historic rivalries. It also allows Mizzou to add A&M as their cross-division rival game, helping to preserve Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

ChiefsCountry
09-20-2011, 05:59 PM
Mizzou to the SEC East makes way more sense than it does to the SEC West. Missouri borders two East states vs one West state. Plus, Auburn moving East would really affect schedules. SEC teams get exactly one cross-division game added to their permanent schedule. Alabama's permanent rival is Tennessee. If Auburn moves East then it means that Alabama would have to choose either TN or AU.

Putting Mizzou in the east preserves historic rivalries. It also allows Mizzou to add A&M as their cross-division rival game, helping to preserve Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

Auburn wants to go East. After the Tide, they would rather play Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee.

Saul Good
09-20-2011, 06:01 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/hTOKJTRHMdw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Guru
09-20-2011, 06:08 PM
just get it over with

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 06:11 PM
Mizzou to the SEC East makes way more sense than it does to the SEC West. Missouri borders two East states vs one West state. Plus, Auburn moving East would really affect schedules. SEC teams get exactly one cross-division game added to their permanent schedule. Alabama's permanent rival is Tennessee. If Auburn moves East then it means that Alabama would have to choose either TN or AU.

Putting Mizzou in the east preserves historic rivalries. It also allows Mizzou to add A&M as their cross-division rival game, helping to preserve Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

I agree that Mizzou to the East definitely makes sense (I think I might have proof that I was the first person to ever type this idea on the interwebz), but we might actually prefer to play in the West though so we can build rivalries with Arkansas, A&M, and Ole Miss.

When the Big 12 expanded, it killed the Nubs-OU rivalry. If only one annual SEC rivalry gets impacted by expansion, I'd consider that a success.

Saul Good
09-20-2011, 06:13 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/F2wkwRJLW84" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 06:15 PM
http://mizzou2sec.com/east_west_1.jpg

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2011, 06:16 PM
http://mizzou2sec.com/east_west_1.jpg

Much more likely.

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 06:17 PM
Auburn wants to go East. After the Tide, they would rather play Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee.
Auburn can suck a dick.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 06:21 PM
I'd fully support Mizzou beating the piss out of Gene Chizek on an annual basis.

OnTheWarpath58
09-20-2011, 06:23 PM
Damn, I might start following Mizzou if this happens. I'd definitely make the drive to Oxford, Tuscaloosa or Knoxville to see a game.

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 06:23 PM
I'd fully support Mizzou beating the piss out of Gene Chizek on an annual basis.
There's pretty much no way of that happening annually. Mizzou and Auburn are going to be in different divisions.

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 06:25 PM
Damn, I might start following Mizzou if this happens. I'd definitely make the drive to Oxford, Tuscaloosa or Knoxville to see a game.
Looks like I'm hosting a Gang of 14 reunion party in Tuscaloosa. Bring Hamas down with you and let the debauchery begin.

Basileus777
09-20-2011, 06:25 PM
SEC should do North/South divisions:
North
Alabama
Arkansas
Kentucky
Auburn
Missouri
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

South
Mississippi State
LSU
Florida
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
South Carolina


Permanent Cross-Division Rivals:
Alabama - LSU
Auburn - UGA
Arkansas - Texas A&M
Tennessee- Florida
Kentucky - Mississippi State
Ole Miss- Missouri
Vanderbilt - South Carolina


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x75/lonestar1979/FBS_map_2011SEC2.jpg

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 06:26 PM
There's pretty much no way of that happening annually. Mizzou and Auburn are going to be in different divisions.

UGA and Auburn play every year and are in different divisions. Same with Tennessee and Auburn. In fact, those 2 play on the same Saturday every year. LMAO

tk13
09-20-2011, 06:26 PM
I'd fully support Mizzou beating the piss out of Gene Chizek on an annual basis.

You'd probably have to settle for Bobby Petrino.

OnTheWarpath58
09-20-2011, 06:28 PM
Looks like I'm hosting a Gang of 14 reunion party in Tuscaloosa. Bring Hamas down with you and let the debauchery begin.

LMAO

If he's up for it, I'd definitely make the trip.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 06:28 PM
Damn, I might start following Mizzou if this happens. I'd definitely make the drive to Oxford, Tuscaloosa or Knoxville to see a game.

I went to Knoxville last year, that stadium is crazy. I'm not a Vols fan, but there's no way that's not one of the top 5 football venues in the world.

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 06:29 PM
I went to Knoxville last year, that stadium is crazy. I'm not a Vols fan, but there's no way that's not one of the top 5 football venues in the world.

Yeah Rocky Top is nuts, and it is crazy to think they are actually in a down period right now.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2011, 06:32 PM
You could move Auburn and Alabama east (keeping their rivalry) while moving Vandy or UK West and allowing them to keep their traditional rivalry game with UT.

ChiefsCountry
09-20-2011, 06:34 PM
You could move Auburn and Alabama east (keeping their rivalry) while moving Vandy or UK West and allowing them to keep their traditional rivalry game with UT.

Probably would be Vanderbilt, but that SEC East would be a monster - Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Kentucky.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2011, 06:35 PM
Probably would be Vanderbilt, but that SEC East would be a monster - Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Kentucky.

That's a murderer's row. One that also helps Mizzou. Do it.

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 06:38 PM
Espn news reporting mu informally agreeing to join sec.

Commence flapping?!?

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 06:44 PM
Espn news reporting mu informally agreeing to join sec.

Commence flapping?!?

No way, that actually makes me more nervous. ESPN usually seems to be wrong in these ordeals lately.

bowener
09-20-2011, 06:48 PM
I thought the SEC said they didn't invite Mizzou...

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 06:49 PM
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/09/tentative_plan_for_mizzou_to_j.html

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 06:52 PM
At the same time:

Dave_Matter Dave Matter
RT @PeteThamelNYT: We need to tap the brakes on Mizzou and SEC. Been told definitively that no alignment scenario has been discussed

Unsmooth-Moment
09-20-2011, 06:53 PM
I don't see Mizzou jumping ship before Oklahoma or Texas. Let the dust settle and see where MU lands.

patteeu
09-20-2011, 06:57 PM
Mizzou to the SEC East makes way more sense than it does to the SEC West. Missouri borders two East states vs one West state. Plus, Auburn moving East would really affect schedules. SEC teams get exactly one cross-division game added to their permanent schedule. Alabama's permanent rival is Tennessee. If Auburn moves East then it means that Alabama would have to choose either TN or AU.

Putting Mizzou in the east preserves historic rivalries. It also allows Mizzou to add A&M as their cross-division rival game, helping to preserve Mizzou's Texas recruiting pipeline.

Missouri has about 400 miles of border with Arkansas and only about 100 miles of border with Kentucky and Tennessee combined. And Columbia is west of all but 2 of the other SEC schools.

Your other arguments may have merit though.

Dr. Gigglepants
09-20-2011, 07:17 PM
Watching The Evening Jones for the first time, Bomani Jones is good. He's talking a little realignment.

http://www.bomanijones.com/the-evening-jones-9-20-11/

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 07:21 PM
just reported MU to SEC..............deal is done

Dr. Gigglepants
09-20-2011, 07:24 PM
I don't believe it until I see us on the field against an SEC opponent.

SPchief
09-20-2011, 07:27 PM
Is shit real yet?

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 07:29 PM
Is shit real yet?

CoMo probably just sent Mizzou to the Mountain West, but then he'd be sad since it would negatively affect his football team.

But BASKETBALL in the BIG EASTERN 12 WILL RULE!!!

Frazod
09-20-2011, 07:30 PM
Just saw it on ESPNews. Still using words like "tentatively," but the fact that they're reporting it fills me with hope.

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 07:34 PM
need to finalize details....but it's confirmed

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 07:35 PM
OU pushing hard for Pac12.

I can honestly say this is the first time Alden has done something "right" while at MU.

SPchief
09-20-2011, 07:35 PM
Just saw it on ESPNews. Still using words like "tentatively," but the fact that they're reporting it fills me with hope.

Not trying to piss on the parade, but weren't they reporting it last year?

Unsmooth-Moment
09-20-2011, 07:37 PM
Just saw it on ESPNews. Still using words like "tentatively," but the fact that they're reporting it fills me with hope.

interesting..

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 07:37 PM
need to finalize details....but it's confirmed

Google News isn't turning up anything. Where are you getting this?

Chocolate Hog
09-20-2011, 07:38 PM
Have fun getting raped.

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 07:38 PM
Google News isn't turning up anything. Where are you getting this?

i have my sources...

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 07:39 PM
OU pushing hard for Pac12.

I can honestly say this is the first time Alden has done something "right" while at MU.

http://livewire.missouri.edu/2007/12/24/Pinkel-pointing.jpg

Saul Good
09-20-2011, 07:40 PM
Have fun getting raped.

Some schools don't run to an easier conference.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 07:40 PM
i have my sources...

Marijuana-induced image?

Superturtle
09-20-2011, 07:40 PM
i have my sources...
http://files.grasslandfun.webnode.com/200000032-13aa514a42/Dramatic-Prairie-Dog.gif

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 07:41 PM
http://livewire.missouri.edu/2007/12/24/Pinkel-pointing.jpg

forgot that pinkel was his hire...

ok.....2nd thing.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 07:41 PM
Damn, I might start following Mizzou if this happens. I'd definitely make the drive to Oxford, Tuscaloosa or Knoxville to see a game.

Oxford is awesome. Have not hit the other ones yet.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 07:41 PM
Looks like I'm hosting a Gang of 14 reunion party in Tuscaloosa. Bring Hamas down with you and let the debauchery begin.

LMAO

Nice.

tk13
09-20-2011, 07:41 PM
i have my sources...

Welcome to Conference USA, Mizzou!

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 07:42 PM
Marijuana-induced image?

mmm a bowl sounds nice right about now....weather's nice outside for a smoke on the back deck.




but im all out..:deevee:

Spott
09-20-2011, 07:43 PM
CoMo probably just sent Mizzou to the Mountain West, but then he'd be sad since it would negatively affect his football team.

But BASKETBALL in the BIG EASTERN 12 WILL RULE!!!

Yeah, after all of the rumors posted on both threads, I now know for sure that Mizzou is not going to the SEC.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 07:44 PM
I'd love to go party with Reaper, but there's no way that I could stomach the cheap beer he's always raving about.

ChiefsCountry
09-20-2011, 07:44 PM
Rumor is Missouri being invited will mean that OU and OSU will be #15 and #16. Take it with a grain of salt though but it would make the SEC even better.

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 07:45 PM
Welcome to Conference USA, Mizzou!

MU wouldn't want to lose to Memphis, East Carolina, and Houston year after year.

Hell they wouldn't even win that conf in bball.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 07:45 PM
Rumor is Missouri being invited will mean that OU and OSU will be #15 and #16. Take it with a grain of salt though but it would make the SEC even better.

I'd like those additions, actually.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 07:46 PM
THAT might be one of the most creatively funny things that I have ever read. BRAVO!:clap:

Being a site that caters to one team and fan base only gives it so much exposure but RockM is an awesome website. Even keeled discussion...great news and media source as well as shit that is hilarious.

Frazod
09-20-2011, 07:47 PM
MU off to be with the rest of the slavers/Butthurt KU fan :D

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 07:47 PM
MU wouldn't want to lose to Memphis, East Carolina, and Houston year after year.

Hell they wouldn't even win that conf in bball.

You're trolling.

Superturtle
09-20-2011, 07:48 PM
Being a site that caters to one team and fan base only gives it so much exposure but RockM is an awesome website. Even keeled discussion...great news and media source as well as shit that is hilarious.
Each one was more or less spot on. The Texas AM to SEC comic was the best though.

DJ's left nut
09-20-2011, 08:01 PM
I'd love to go party with Reaper, but there's no way that I could stomach the cheap beer he's always raving about.

What's a brotha gotta do to get invited to this crap!

I totally hate the Chiefs more than the charter members of the 'gang'.

CoMoChief
09-20-2011, 08:02 PM
You're trolling.

takes one to know one.

oh my bad.....zach never trolls on CP

DJ's left nut
09-20-2011, 08:03 PM
P.S. Include me in the "I'll believe it when we start changing signage" group.

I've seen too many 'informal' or 'tentative' agreements go nuclear to give a rip about handshake agreements at this point.

Al Bundy
09-20-2011, 08:05 PM
You're trolling.

Of course he is. UCF is the one that MU would have to worry about.

DJ's left nut
09-20-2011, 08:06 PM
I'd like those additions, actually.

Christ - I would hope that would at least push Auburn over to the East.

It would be like taking Baylor's place in the XII south all of the sudden. OU, OSU, A&M and Bama in the same division? The weak sisters would be Ol' Miss and Mississippi....and Mizzou. Damn that would be nasty.

Hopefully they would push it all the way to the 'pod' setup at that point. I actually like the way the PAC handled that; it looked like it would create a really cool set of rivalries while also ensuring that teams all played each other with some regularity. It would cut down on some of the hellacious travel as well.

We might still end up in a murderous one though, probably OU, OSU, ARK and MU.

It'd be tough as hell, but damn it would be some fun football.

Saul Good
09-20-2011, 08:14 PM
Pod would be Mizzou, OU, OSU, and Arkansas. We would play the other 3 in our pod every year and 2 from the other pods every other year for a total of 9 conference games plus 3 non-cons.

ChiefsCountry
09-20-2011, 08:17 PM
Christ - I would hope that would at least push Auburn over to the East.

It would be like taking Baylor's place in the XII south all of the sudden. OU, OSU, A&M and Bama in the same division? The weak sisters would be Ol' Miss and Mississippi....and Mizzou. Damn that would be nasty.

Hopefully they would push it all the way to the 'pod' setup at that point. I actually like the way the PAC handled that; it looked like it would create a really cool set of rivalries while also ensuring that teams all played each other with some regularity. It would cut down on some of the hellacious travel as well.

We might still end up in a murderous one though, probably OU, OSU, ARK and MU.

It'd be tough as hell, but damn it would be some fun football.

If OU and OSU come along, Bama would be in the east.

West would be Mizzou, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, LSU, A&M, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 08:19 PM
It'd be tough as hell, but damn it would be some fun football.

This is the way that I see it. Plus, it would preserve some of the Big 8 (fuck you, Big 12) flavor.

And there's little question that your anti-Cassel/Pioli chops demand executive-level membership. I'll raise a Keystone at Reaper's place with you anytime.

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2011, 08:38 PM
I went to Knoxville last year, that stadium is crazy. I'm not a Vols fan, but there's no way that's not one of the top 5 football venues in the world.

Yeah Rocky Top is nuts, and it is crazy to think they are actually in a down period right now.

I've been to Neyland twice. That stadium is gorgeous and enormous. However, despite holding 10,000+ more people than The Swamp, it's not as loud.. at least partially due to the spread-out architecture in contrast with the Swamp's vertical, closed-in build.

KChiefs1
09-20-2011, 08:41 PM
http://mizzou2sec.com/sec_14.jpg

DJ's left nut
09-20-2011, 08:42 PM
This is the way that I see it. Plus, it would preserve some of the Big 8 (fuck you, Big 12) flavor.

And there's little question that your anti-Cassel/Pioli chops demand executive-level membership. I'll raise a Keystone at Reaper's place with you anytime.

And the triad is complete. I got rep from Dane and Rainman, and now tacit acceptance into the strange and mysterious gang of 14.

I just burned my Skull and Bones invitation - who the fuck needs those guys?

dirk digler
09-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Fuck so we go from having to put up with whiny KU fans to possibly DaKCMan.

Just shoot me now...


:)

DaKCMan AP
09-20-2011, 08:46 PM
Fuck so we go from having to put up with whiny KU fans to possibly DaKCMan.

Just shoot me now...


:)

Maybe you all will STFU about me pimping the Awesome SEC and talking about Florida.


...probably not. ;)

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2011, 08:50 PM
If OU and OSU come along, Bama would be in the east.

West would be Mizzou, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, LSU, A&M, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State.

That's a balanced, but brutal division. In basketball, Mizzou could probably win that division with regularity if Carlton doesn't fuck it up.

dirk digler
09-20-2011, 08:55 PM
Maybe you all will STFU about me pimping the Awesome SEC and talking about Florida.


...probably not. ;)

I am already getting tired of you... :D

bobbymitch
09-20-2011, 08:57 PM
Perhaps some here can help an old codger understand how teams travel.

Back in the days of the Big 8 (yep went to school during that period), bus travel was the means of getting teams around. But, say, MU goes to the SEC. What are they going to do? Fly or spend several days to get to Florida? Can't fly from Columbia directly.

The same goes for KU, KSU, & ISU should the Big 12 goes down the tubes and they wind up in some eastern league.

I understand the PAC 10 does something to go to SoCal to Seattle, but never gave it much thought on the travel arragngements.

DJ's left nut
09-20-2011, 08:58 PM
That's a balanced, but brutal division. In basketball, Mizzou could probably win that division with regularity if Carlton doesn't fuck it up.

Damn - all the talk about football and I completely spaced on basketball.

Yeah - Mizzou should do pretty well in basketball if we can manage to get ourselves a decent coach after shitcanning Haith.

(Unfortunately, it certainly appears that he's survived the Miami thing, so it'll take 3 or 4 mediocre seasons first...)

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 09:00 PM
This is the way that I see it. Plus, it would preserve some of the Big 8 (fuck you, Big 12) flavor.

And there's little question that your anti-Cassel/Pioli chops demand executive-level membership. I'll raise a Keystone at Reaper's place with you anytime.

And the triad is complete. I got rep from Dane and Rainman, and now tacit acceptance into the strange and mysterious gang of 14.

I just burned my Skull and Bones invitation - who the fuck needs those guys?

I've got Tecate in my fridge right now that y'all can have. Also some High Life.

No, seriously, they are really in there. Please come down and drink them for me.

dirk digler
09-20-2011, 09:02 PM
Damn - all the talk about football and I completely spaced on basketball.

Yeah - Mizzou should do pretty well in basketball if we can manage to get ourselves a decent coach after shitcanning Haith.

(Unfortunately, it certainly appears that he's survived the Miami thing, so it'll take 3 or 4 mediocre seasons first...)

Yep. Football is going to be brutal and we will be lucky to be in the top half of the conference but basketball we should be near the top. Of course we will have replaced our annual rapings by KU with Kentucky.

Mosbonian
09-20-2011, 09:12 PM
Yep. Football is going to be brutal and we will be lucky to be in the top half of the conference but basketball we should be near the top. Of course we will have replaced our annual rapings by KU with Kentucky.

Yeah...but some of us wouldn't have to travel so far to see an occasional football or basketball game.

ChiefsCountry
09-20-2011, 09:14 PM
Well the PAC-12 isn't expanding
http://twitter.com/#!/PeteThamelNYT/status/116348494758936577

Pants
09-20-2011, 09:17 PM
Well the PAC-12 isn't expanding
http://twitter.com/#!/PeteThamelNYT/status/116348494758936577 (http://twitter.com/#%21/PeteThamelNYT/status/116348494758936577)

Sooooo Texas is going to do what?

tk13
09-20-2011, 09:21 PM
That explains OU and Texas' sudden desire to save the conference. Maybe it's the right move, maybe it's not, but if I was Mizzou I would run, run, and run.

Bewbies
09-20-2011, 09:23 PM
I hope Texas ends up with nowhere to go.

DJ's left nut
09-20-2011, 09:24 PM
Sooooo Texas is going to do what?

Shit.

You know exactly what Texas is going to do now - the same thing they've always done.

If the PAC doesn't expand, OU probably stays in the XII with the rest of the gang. If so, Deaton's not going to pull the trigger on this thing.

If the PAC doesn't expand, I don't think MU moves. There are too many people within this administration that are entirely too resistant to change.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 09:25 PM
That explains OU and Texas' sudden desire to save the conference. Maybe it's the right move, maybe it's not, but if I was Mizzou I would run, run, and run.

I wonder if this makes everyone put their guns back in their holsters though.

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 09:28 PM
Mizzou should threaten to go unless Texas drops the LHN and stops being such a douche.

tk13
09-20-2011, 09:29 PM
I wonder if this makes everyone put their guns back in their holsters though.

Might be. Or OU might be trying to buy time to talk to the SEC. Sure seems like too many lines have been crossed to just go back to being ruled by Texas.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 09:33 PM
I've had to put up with Mizzou fans all day (not on this board, but I need to vent) bragging about how they are going to the SEC and how they are so gleeful that Kansas would get left behind in the leftover conference. Lots of mockery all day long.

All I have to say is: suck it, Mizzou. You are a proud member of the Big 12 conference.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 09:36 PM
Shit.

You know exactly what Texas is going to do now - the same thing they've always done.

If the PAC doesn't expand, OU probably stays in the XII with the rest of the gang. If so, Deaton's not going to pull the trigger on this thing.

If the PAC doesn't expand, I don't think MU moves. There are too many people within this administration that are entirely too resistant to change.

And it will absolutely be the wrong decision. FML. And we'll have to, again, hear all of the bullshit about preserving tradition, rivalries, blah, blah, ****ing, blah.

While we wait for the big boys to kick us out of bed again.

Wake up, you spineless ****s. Get the **** out while (if) you can. End the ****ing charade. If this means paying a penalty, so be it. There's plenty of money in Columbia to write the check.

KC_Connection
09-20-2011, 09:40 PM
So after all that, the Big 12 stays intact? Who the hell are these people that run college football? LMAO

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 09:43 PM
How hilarious would it be if we all just wasted the last 3 months following this crap and nothing happened?

kcfan82
09-20-2011, 09:43 PM
Where is Mizzou going to go?

I thought that their offer was contingent on the Big 12 folding.

tk13
09-20-2011, 09:44 PM
The real funny thing is out of all of this, the real winner is Colorado. They just stuck it to both Texas and OU.

But I'm not 100% convinced it's all over. Is Oklahoma really going to walk back with their tail between their legs?

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 09:44 PM
So after all that, the Big 12 stays intact? Who the hell are these people that run college football? LMAO

Well, I don't think that is set and if it is for how long? You think we are not doing this same dance in less than a year?

The Big 12 is not sustainable. Too many lines crossed.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 09:45 PM
Where is Mizzou going to go?

I thought that their offer was contingent on the Big 12 folding.

Mizzou is a proud member of the Big XII conference. We'll probably add 1 or 3 teams and call it a day.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 09:45 PM
No idea why Mizzou fans would expect (or hope) for forward-thinking leadership from the current administration, as if BD didn't completely embarrass himself during the Anderson hire and Big 10 fiasco.

No way that the SEC doesn't go to 14. Have the gumption to make the move solo.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 09:45 PM
The real funny thing is out of all of this, the real winner is Colorado. They just stuck it to both Texas and OU.

But I'm not 100% convinced it's all over. Is Oklahoma really going to walk back with their tail between their legs?

Where will OU go?

eazyb81
09-20-2011, 09:45 PM
Where is Mizzou going to go?

I thought that their offer was contingent on the Big 12 folding.

It is. Mizzou goes nowhere without OU leaving, which is why no one was really throwing a parade on here yet.

Saulbadguy
09-20-2011, 09:48 PM
hook 'em

tk13
09-20-2011, 09:49 PM
Where will OU go?

Anywhere else. If they truly feel everything is tilted against them and they'll never have a competitive advantage because Texas has their own network... it's better to get out now before you become the Blue Jays of the Big 12.

The only thing we do know is the SEC needs a 14th team. Somebody has to do it. And I am not convinced they'd want it to be West Virginia.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 09:49 PM
Remember when Kathy Bates crushed Jimmy Caan's feet with a sledgehammer to trap him in bed? There's a Texas-Big 12 analogy there somewhere

http://twitter.com/#!/Dave_Matter/statuses/116357241937989633

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 09:51 PM
No idea why Mizzou fans would expect (or hope) for forward-thinking leadership from the current administration, as if BD didn't completely embarrass himself during the Anderson hire and Big 10 fiasco.

No way that the SEC doesn't go to 14. Have the gumption to make the move solo.

Seems like move to SEC hinged on B12 imploding.

Frazod
09-20-2011, 09:52 PM
How hilarious would it be if we all just wasted the last 3 months following this crap and nothing happened?

Wouldn't surprise me. I learned my lesson last year. Hopeful it works but fully prepared for it to all go swirling down the drain.

Guru
09-20-2011, 09:54 PM
Well, if this is true I am really going to miss the yearly rivalry. Sucks.

kcfan82
09-20-2011, 09:54 PM
Mizzou is a proud member of the Big XII conference. We'll probably add 1 or 3 teams and call it a day.

Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

A) The Big 12 picks up another school and they all (minue A&M) split a 1+ billion dollar contract.

B) Missouri gets to duke it out with OSU for third in command now.

jAZ
09-20-2011, 09:55 PM
From my source...

"It was a done deal until things got messy and difficult.* Even Scott, the biggest proponent of the superconferences did not think he could make this work seemlessly.* I just spoke to a well placed Pac Ten official who told me that the expanded league would have been as messy as the Big 12 has been with big egos and the desire for special status.* The presidents who were on board as of last week were turned off by having to compromise to add schools they wanted (OU and UT) and were not thrilled with having to take OSU and TTech.* So instead of humiliating anybody with a rejection, they just decided to stand pat until this thing blows up again in a couple of years.* The Big 12 survives again. For now while the Pac 12 will flourish as 12."

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 09:55 PM
Seems like move to SEC hinged on B12 imploding.

And who is the 14th in the SEC?

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 09:57 PM
From my source...

"It was a done deal until things got messy and difficult.* Even Scott, the biggest proponent of the superconferences did not think he could make this work seemlessly.* I just spoke to a well placed Pac Ten official who told me that the expanded league would have been as messy as the Big 12 has been with big egos and the desire for special status.* The presidents who were on board as of last week were turned off by having to compromise to add schools they wanted (OU and UT) and were not thrilled with having to take OSU and TTech.* So instead of humiliating anybody with a rejection, they just decided to stand pat until this thing blows up again in a couple of years.* The Big 12 survives again. For now while the Pac 12 will flourish as 12."

:facepalm:

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 09:58 PM
And who is the 14th in the SEC?

Hey who knows...not saying Missouri can't or won't be...but I think this is new information...so it is back to the drawing board a bit.

I feel like one huge thing is...nobody wants to be the one to really pull that last jenga block to make the B12 fold. Legally and just for the sake of a lot of bullshit I think people want B12 teams without being blamed for burning the house down.

Say MU were to be invited and leave with Texas and OU and all the other teams staying to keep the B12 going. That can happen without people thinking you wrecked the B12 but then again...that is new...we didn't think about this.

Did you?

I think you are coming down on a varied a constantly changing situation with a ton of assumptions.

How you take all this info and go. "Mizzou was invited to the SEC...they had the golden ticket and said no!" out of all these ups and downs and turns seems kinda silly to me.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:03 PM
Hey who knows...not saying Missouri can't or won't be...but I think this is new information...so it is back to the drawing board a bit.

I feel like one huge thing is...nobody wants to be the one to really pull that last jenga block to make the B12 fold. Legally and just for the sake of a lot of bullshit I think people want B12 teams without being blamed for burning the house down.

Say MU were to be invited and leave with Texas and OU and all the other teams staying to keep the B12 going. That can happen without people thinking you wrecked the B12 but then again...that is new...we didn't think about this.

Did you?

I think you are coming down on a varied a constantly changing situation with a ton of assumptions.

How you take all this info and go. "Mizzou was invited to the SEC...they had the golden ticket and said no!" out of all these ups and downs and turns seems kinda silly to me.

Logistically, the Pac-12 would have been problematic for midwest teams, no question.

I don't think it's assumptions, however, to say that BD has been involved in some very damning incidents at Mizzou that cast serious doubt on the level of leadership.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 10:03 PM
From my source...

"It was a done deal until things got messy and difficult.* Even Scott, the biggest proponent of the superconferences did not think he could make this work seemlessly.* I just spoke to a well placed Pac Ten official who told me that the expanded league would have been as messy as the Big 12 has been with big egos and the desire for special status.* The presidents who were on board as of last week were turned off by having to compromise to add schools they wanted (OU and UT) and were not thrilled with having to take OSU and TTech.* So instead of humiliating anybody with a rejection, they just decided to stand pat until this thing blows up again in a couple of years.* The Big 12 survives again. For now while the Pac 12 will flourish as 12."

This feels right to me.

If OU would have gone to the PAC 12 alone and said "screw OSU, we'd like to apply to your conference, no strings attached. We'll be an equal member, we'll assimilate into the PAC 12 culture and be a team player", I bet they would have got in. Ditto UT.

LiveSteam
09-20-2011, 10:03 PM
Is Dan Bebee still employed?

Pants
09-20-2011, 10:05 PM
Hey who knows...not saying Missouri can't or won't be...but I think this is new information...so it is back to the drawing board a bit.

I feel like one huge thing is...nobody wants to be the one to really pull that last jenga block to make the B12 fold. Legally and just for the sake of a lot of bullshit I think people want B12 teams without being blamed for burning the house down.

Say MU were to be invited and leave with Texas and OU and all the other teams staying to keep the B12 going. That can happen without people thinking you wrecked the B12 but then again...that is new...we didn't think about this.

Did you?

I think you are coming down on a varied a constantly changing situation with a ton of assumptions.

How you take all this info and go. "Mizzou was invited to the SEC...they had the golden ticket and said no!" out of all these ups and downs and turns seems kinda silly to me.

You guys really need to get the fuck out while you can. I hate MU with a passion, but I know if that was KU with a chance to jet, I would want them to.

KC_Connection
09-20-2011, 10:06 PM
Well, I don't think that is set and if it is for how long? You think we are not doing this same dance in less than a year?

The Big 12 is not sustainable. Too many lines crossed.
This apparent conclusion is why I stopped following the rumors. Too much is complete BS.

Texas is going to have to find a hell of an opportunity to want to fold a conference that they control.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:07 PM
You guys really need to get the **** out while you can. I hate MU with a passion, but I know if that was KU with a chance to jet, I would want them to.

Ha, yes but that is the thing. People always slam Missouri for not making things happen that simply and frustratingly are not all up to their control.

We will see how it pans out. The last 30 hours of news have been unreal.

Pants
09-20-2011, 10:07 PM
Having said that, this is absolutely my favorite scenario for KU by far. Add 3 Big East teams, make the exit fees so fucking high nobody will want to do it for a long time and lets roll.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:09 PM
No idea why any university would be worried about hearing some bullshit about being the institution that "blew up the Big 12" when anyone with a grain of common sense realizes that this conference is and will be hemorrhaging blood until the death blow comes in the near future.

tk13
09-20-2011, 10:10 PM
Pete Thamel is saying it came down to Texas. There wasn't even a legit conference call. Larry Scott had basically decided that there was no way they were going to appease Texas and keep everything equal... hence the "culture of equality" statement.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:10 PM
No idea why any university would be worried about hearing some bullshit about being the institution that "blew up the Big 12" when anyone with a grain of common sense realizes that this conference is and will be hemorrhaging blood until the death blow comes in the near future.

http://goods4girls.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lawyers.png

KC_Connection
09-20-2011, 10:10 PM
Anywhere else. If they truly feel everything is tilted against them and they'll never have a competitive advantage because Texas has their own network... it's better to get out now before you become the Blue Jays of the Big 12.

I like the analogy.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:11 PM
Pete Thamel is saying it came down to Texas. There wasn't even a legit conference call. Larry Scott had basically decided that there was no way they were going to appease Texas and keep everything equal... hence the "culture of equality" statement.

That makes sense.

Pants
09-20-2011, 10:11 PM
Next time Dan Beebee and Oklahoma are in the same room:

So... That was awkward.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:12 PM
Next time Dan Beebee and Oklahoma are in the same room:

So... That was awkward.

But here is the thing. It is all awkward...everyone...all of it.

I wouldn't...the whole thing.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:12 PM
http://goods4girls.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lawyers.png

Write. The. Check.

As you well know, there's insane money in Columbia and otherwise associated with the university. Bit of short-term pain for long-term gain.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:12 PM
B12 expansion? L'ville, Cincy, WVU. Not perfect but available...and better than some horse shit smaller Texas schools.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:14 PM
Write. The. Check.

As you well know, there's insane money in Columbia and associated with the university. Bit of short-term pain for long-term gain.

Ok so I was coming from a different direction.

I don't mean the team leaving take heat for being a conference killer (in MU's case they wouldn't be a conference killer) but more so I don't think the conference taking in a number of teams wants to look they were the ones that flipped the switch,

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:16 PM
Fair point, Zach.

KC_Connection
09-20-2011, 10:17 PM
B12 expansion? L'ville, Cincy, WVU. Not perfect but available...and better than some horse shit smaller Texas schools.
If it was those three, that would be great for basketball. Not so sure that the BE can't survive, though.

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 10:19 PM
B12 expansion? L'ville, Cincy, WVU. Not perfect but available...and better than some horse shit smaller Texas schools.**** NO. GET THE **** OUT. I don't care if everyone is pissed, MU needs to leave yesterday.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:20 PM
Unlikely idea but hey we are throwing out shit right? As many stupid crazy things as we have talked about we still haven't been close.

A&M, MU, OU, OSU ---> SEC at 16.

I don't mind an expanded B12 at face value but....there is no way to believe it is sustainable...even with good ideas.

Brock
09-20-2011, 10:20 PM
So, not a damn thing is going to happen now?

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:21 PM
**** NO. GET THE **** OUT. I don't care if everyone is pissed, MU needs to leave yesterday.

Haha, hey I agree...I am just throwing stuff out.

However...here is then deal...Missouri can't just go somewhere if someone is not inviting them. We don't know the actual level of interest now it conferences wanting to take on other teams.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:22 PM
So, not a damn thing is going to happen now?

Seems like a lot is still going to happen.

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 10:22 PM
Haha, hey I agree...I am just throwing stuff out.

However...here is then deal...Missouri can't just go somewhere if someone is not inviting them. We don't know the actual level of interest now it conferences wanting to take on other teams.True. But Deaton needs to resign as Big 12 whateverthefheis. Right now, he's not helping MU. We need a Kroenke or three with their lawyers to represent Mizzou.

KC_Connection
09-20-2011, 10:25 PM
tullycorcoran
Have this on a loop as you read your conference realignment stories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:25 PM
True. But Deaton needs to resign as Big 12 whateverthefheis. Right now, he's not helping MU. We need a Kroenke or three with their lawyers to represent Mizzou.

I think people make too much of all that but its a fair point. I wouldn't be against it.

But when you try and do bold things you leave yourself open to risk. Nobody is going to change that.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:32 PM
Boren saying he wasn't surprised by PAC decision and reiterates support for B12

Reaper16
09-20-2011, 10:34 PM
Big 12 staying alive = good for Kansas City = I'm pretty happy

ChiefsCountry
09-20-2011, 10:35 PM
Add BYU to the South and Louisville & Cincinnati to the North.

or

Move OU and OSU to the North and add BYU, New Mexico, and TCU to the South.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 10:35 PM
tweet from an AP writer

Big 12 source tells AP #Texas and OU officials to meet in next few days to negotiate deal that keeps both in league five years.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 10:37 PM
Jon Wilner (well-respected PAC-12 beat writer)

9:10 p.m. update: Been on the phone for last 30 minutes. Hereís why league did not expand, in a nutshell:

It determined that a 14-school conference was awkward and it would not bow to Texasí revenue demands.

According to a source, Larry Scott walked away from weekend meeting with Texas knowing the Longhorn Network and the Pac-12 revenue model could not work together.

It was zero or four and the four was too problematic ó no interest in meeting UTís revenue demands ó so itís at zero, which is where the CEOs wanted to be all along.

tk13
09-20-2011, 10:37 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-conferencerealignment-bigeast

All the Big East football presidents and AD's met tonight... all agreed to stay together and look for replacements for Syracuse and Pitt. Non-football schools all seem to be on board.

DA_T_84
09-20-2011, 10:38 PM
I don't know why the Big 12 is getting picked apart. We are(were) a stronger conference than the ACC, Big East, etc... Why aren't those getting blown up?

Obviously the ego of UT has been a turn off. It is in the best interest for UT to concede an inch and retain power in the Big 12, than to concede a mile to join another conference and be an equal player in another conference.

All OU is asking for is that High School games/highlights not be shown on LHN. All the remaining teams want is a more equal slice of the pie.

If UT can concede an inch, which they eventually will, IMO, since its the best option for them at this point, then everyone in the Big 12 should breathe a sigh of relief....

And then go fucking rape some other conference/s out of 3-7 teams.

kcfan82
09-20-2011, 10:40 PM
Big 12 staying alive = good for Kansas City = I'm pretty happy

It would be shitty to lose the Big 12 basketball tournament and have all of the schools disperse throughout the coasts.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:40 PM
tweet from an AP writer

Thank you, daddies, for allowing the rest of us to humbly be a part of your conference for the next five years. I never wanted any other daddy than you.

DA_T_84
09-20-2011, 10:42 PM
Seriously... I hope the Big 12 becomes proactive and grabs 3 immediately, and 4 additional in the next few months.

It will be hard to fuck with us if we get to 16 first. The only thing preventing this was putting the fires out at home, which just happened tonight.

Now lets go light someone else's house on fire, and in turn build ours back up.

tk13
09-20-2011, 10:43 PM
So now you have a nine team Big 12 and a Big East with 7 football members. And the SEC needs one more to have an even number. Explain to me how this is going to work out.

BigMeatballDave
09-20-2011, 10:45 PM
This shit is like a fucking soap opera.

Shit or get off the pot.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:45 PM
Who are the dumb fuck institutions that would voluntarily head to the Big 12 now? Are you fucking kidding me? The presidents of these schools would have to be kin to Pioli.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 10:45 PM
So now you have a nine team Big 12 and a Big East with 6 football members. And the SEC needs one more to have an even number. Explain to me how this is going to work out.

Big 10 played with 11 for eons. Its not ideal, but the SEC can figure out a 13-team schedule.

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 10:45 PM
Add BYU to the South and Louisville & Cincinnati to the North.

or

Move OU and OSU to the North and add BYU, New Mexico, and TCU to the South.Garbage, which fits with the league.

LiveSteam
09-20-2011, 10:46 PM
By this time next week
Missouri will say Fuck this! Were leaving.

Mosbonian
09-20-2011, 10:47 PM
I can't believe anyone here actually thinks we won't face this every year. And who the hell wants to be in a conference where we are all string puppets for OU and UT?


Get the hell out if we can.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:47 PM
So now you have a nine team Big 12 and a Big East with 6 football members. And the SEC needs one more to have an even number. Explain to me how this is going to work out.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/07/ren_joust_cr_.jpg

Jerm
09-20-2011, 10:47 PM
Thank you, daddies, for allowing the rest of us to humbly be a part of your conference for the next five years. I never wanted any other daddy than you.

Signed...Brady Deaton & Mike Alden

Seriously...the "leadership" at Mizzou is such a fucking disgrace.

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 10:48 PM
Seriously... I hope the Big 12 becomes proactive and grabs 3 immediately, and 4 additional in the next few months.

It will be hard to **** with us if we get to 16 first. The only thing preventing this was putting the fires out at home, which just happened tonight.

Now lets go light someone else's house on fire, and in turn build ours back up.No thanks. There are ZERO ADs/presidents stupid enough to join this league. ZERO. I mean, who wouldn't want to be in a league with Texas' **** and crazy good football teams like the sisters of the poor that nobody else wants?

Pitt Gorilla
09-20-2011, 10:48 PM
By this time next week
Missouri will say **** this! Were leaving.I'm not sure the administration is anywhere near that smart.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:49 PM
Signed...Brady Deaton & Mike Alden

Seriously...the "leadership" at Mizzou is such a ****ing disgrace.

Do you think they are sitting on an open invite to the SEC?

Al Bundy
09-20-2011, 10:50 PM
tweet from an AP writer

The entire Big 12 except Texas and Oklahoma are all pussies. No real backbone shown by any school except A&M. Nebraska and Colorado showed some strength, too.

HolyHandgernade
09-20-2011, 10:51 PM
tweet from an AP writer

Big 12 source tells AP #Texas and OU officials to meet in next few days to negotiate deal that keeps both in league five years.


See, who says this conference can't be stable?:banghead:

alnorth
09-20-2011, 10:51 PM
No thanks. There are ZERO ADs/presidents stupid enough to join this league. ZERO. I mean, who wouldn't want to be in a league with Texas' **** and crazy good football teams like the sisters of the poor that nobody else wants?

This has to be raw emotion talking, because this is a BCS conference that will now retain eligibility for the next 6 years. (we'll be re-evaluated after next season, pass, then keep the autobid another 4 years)

There are a hell of a lot of teams, some of them decent, who would join.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:52 PM
The entire Big 12 except Texas and Oklahoma are all pussies. No real backbone shown by any school except A&M. Nebraska and Colorado showed some strength, too.

What would you do different if you were Iowa St...or the University of Kansas right now.

alnorth
09-20-2011, 10:54 PM
What would you do different if you were Iowa St...or the University of Kansas right now.

no kidding. Or KSU, or Baylor, or OSU, or TTech, or perhaps Mizzou.

"Screw this, I'm sick of your crap OU and Texas, I'm leaving! I'm...uhh... going to go to..... the MWC?"

LiveSteam
09-20-2011, 10:54 PM
What would you do different if you were Iowa St...or the University of Kansas right now.

Throw Bebee off the highest building in town

HolyHandgernade
09-20-2011, 10:55 PM
Add BYU to the South and Louisville & Cincinnati to the North.

or

Move OU and OSU to the North and add BYU, New Mexico, and TCU to the South.

The top one is likely.

Why in the hell, New Mexico? Why not just go after UTEP? Holy Crap!

Texas doesn't want TCU. South Florida would be a much more interesting proposition and open up a new recruiting market. Add them with BYU and Louisville, and I think you got something.

But not with this "5 year guarantee" crap. Really? You expect to draw members that way? You expect to sign a bigger 1st tier deal that way?

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:55 PM
no kidding. Or KSU, or Baylor, or OSU, or TTech, or perhaps Mizzou.

Screw this, I'm sick of your crap, I'm leaving! I'm...uhh... going to go to..... the MWC?

People seem to be playing arm chair conference realignment with the idea that what you want to happen will happen if you go out and do it.

LMAO

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:55 PM
Throw Bebee off the highest building in town

No fan off Beebe...but I have said this before.

He came into an untenable situation.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 10:56 PM
BYU poised to join B12 if stability if assured.

http://byu.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1268216

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:56 PM
But not with this "5 year guarantee" crap. Really? You expect to draw members that way? You expect to sign a bigger 1st tier deal that way?

But we offer all of the Texas member you can eat. It's surprisingly satisfying.

Mosbonian
09-20-2011, 10:57 PM
This has to be raw emotion talking, because this is a BCS conference that will now retain eligibility for the next 6 years. (we'll be re-evaluated after next season, pass, then keep the autobid another 4 years)

There are a hell of a lot of teams, some of them decent, who would join.

We aren't a BCS Conference....we are all just the practice teams for the eventual OU-UT Champs each year.

If I'm MU and I'm going to get my ass handed to me, I would prefer a different partner. At least we'd be respected for no longer being Texas' and Oklahoma's b****.

DeezNutz
09-20-2011, 10:57 PM
No fan off Beebe...but I have said this before.

He came into an untenable situation.

He was hired to be Texas' puppet. The situation had nothing to do with it; he was never his own man, which means he should deserve no respect.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-20-2011, 10:58 PM
I wish that there was a way the conference could poach a power school and tell Texas to get fucked, because aside from them, I really like the BXII setup.

Alas, given that this conference is run like Central America in the 1930s, I don't see that happening.

Get in the SEC and let Texas suck the conference past the event horizon.

HolyHandgernade
09-20-2011, 11:00 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-conferencerealignment-bigeast

All the Big East football presidents and AD's met tonight... all agreed to stay together and look for replacements for Syracuse and Pitt. Non-football schools all seem to be on board.

Yeah. If the Big XII can show some sign they are committed to one another, schools would jump in a heartbeat from the Big East. UConn and Rutgers are "committed" until ACC calls. TCU was discussing going back to the MWC. Basketball schools don't really have a say. Big XII has to try and get its house in order first, though.

|Zach|
09-20-2011, 11:00 PM
He was hired to be Texas' puppet. The situation had nothing to do with it; he was never his own man, which means he should deserve no respect.

You're guys are being so dramatic.

A commish is powerless in an unbalanced conference.