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Stewie
09-22-2011, 04:57 PM
Why do you hate Texas? Because they're worth more? I don't get this communist bullshit getting spewed all over this conference fiasco. Why shouldn't a school that is the BY FAR the biggest TV draw make more money than someone like Kansas? Big 12 is the ideal conference for all the local schools. Nobody is being screwed, the schools are all still making millions upon millions. Jesus titty.

This is spot on.

Everyone knows Texas has more money than God, that's not the point. They're sharing Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenues and they get the money from the LHN. That was all fine. Then Texas tried to expand the LHN to include HS games and aTm blew a gasket and cried all the way to the SEC. It's against NCAA rules for LHN to show HS games. It won't happen.

So, let's get all pissy and go to another conference where we'll get less money per school because we are all righteous and aren't about the money.

Kill me with a butter knife.

Buck
09-22-2011, 04:58 PM
Okay, so I have a couple questions and I'm not digging through 1000 posts.

1. Is Mizzou going to the SEC or staying?

2. How many teams does the Big 12 want to be at at the end of this?

3. Which teams are most likely to be invited if they decide to stay together and expand?

Reerun_KC
09-22-2011, 05:00 PM
This is spot on.

Everyone knows Texas has more money than God, that's not the point. They're sharing Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenues and they get the money from the LHN. That was all fine. Then Texas tried to expand the LHN to include HS games and aTm blew a gasket and cried all the way to the SEC. It's against NCAA rules for LHN to show HS games. It won't happen.

So, let's get all pissy and go to another conference where we'll get less money per school because we are all righteous and aren't about the money.

Kill me with a butter knife.

Getting pissy and going to another conference is being all righteous?

Shit if the ship is sinking, I am not going to sit there and die just because the captian said it will still float, when obviously its sinking...

Thanks but no thanks... Hell even OU trustees that I work and play softball with feel that its just a matter of time before OU is out of here...

Bambi
09-22-2011, 05:01 PM
I hate Texas for their F*** You attitude about the rest of the conference until they realized they had nowhere to go with that LHN.

I could give a rat's a$$ about the money now as much as I want out from under their thumb in the decision-making process for the Big 12.

This is a fair point.

But the ramifications of losing the Big12 would be terrible for everyone.

The Big12 bball tourney is great for KC.

All the SEC championships happen in Atlanta... that ain't movin.

Not to mention the caliber of teams to play.

I understand the "lets take on everyone to get better" mentality.

But does MU really want to be Ole Miss or Miss St in the SEC? Or actually have a chance to rise up here and there in the Big 12 to get to the BCS?

Rams Fan
09-22-2011, 05:02 PM
1. Is Mizzou going to the SEC or staying?

Mizzou is likely staying unless the B12 folds.

2. How many teams does the Big 12 want to be at at the end of this?
Probably 12.

3. Which teams are most likely to be invited if they decide to stay together and expand?

BYU appears to be the most likely to be invited. If the B12 goes back to 12, then Louisville and WVU.

Bambi
09-22-2011, 05:02 PM
Okay, so I have a couple questions and I'm not digging through 1000 posts.

1. Is Mizzou going to the SEC or staying?

2. How many teams does the Big 12 want to be at at the end of this?

3. Which teams are most likely to be invited if they decide to stay together and expand?

1. Not now

2. 12

3. BYU, Cincy and Louisville

I like the idea of adding Louisville. Great basketball and decent football.

Stewie
09-22-2011, 05:04 PM
Okay, so I have a couple questions and I'm not digging through 1000 posts.

1. Is Mizzou going to the SEC or staying?

2. How many teams does the Big 12 want to be at at the end of this?

3. Which teams are most likely to be invited if they decide to stay together and expand?

In my opinion, the current members stay in the Big XII. The next Big XII TV contract is estimated to be $350 million (assuming 10 teams) which buries the new PAC-12 contract of $225 million that is spread over 12 teams.

Ten teams is about right, or you start adding teams that don't add anything to the conference.

I can see TCU or BYU being added. Beyond that you have to travel a long way for a decent addition.

Saul Good
09-22-2011, 05:08 PM
Pitt and Syracuse bolt from the Big East, the greatest basketball conference in history, with UCONN hot on their tails, and Wickedson still thinks that basketball drives the bus.

Bambi
09-22-2011, 05:11 PM
Pitt and Syracuse bolt from the Big East, the greatest basketball conference in history, with UCONN hot on their tails, and Wickedson still thinks that basketball drives the bus.

Never said that.

Just find it strange that the programs that end of moving aren't necessarily "football" schools. Many factors play into schools leaving conferences.

To say basketball doesn't matter is just naive.

Stewie
09-22-2011, 05:13 PM
Pitt and Syracuse bolt from the Big East, the greatest basketball conference in history, with UCONN hot on their tails, and Wickedson still thinks that basketball drives the bus.

Since you know it all, why don't you call Soren Petro's show tomorrow and debate him about Syracuse and Pitt being admitted as football powers. That's a fucking joke and he'll tell you that. And then tell us about UCONN and Rutgers, too.

Bambi
09-22-2011, 05:13 PM
In 2010 the Syracuse Basketball program earned the school $10 million more than their football program.

'just sayin

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/index.htm

Reerun_KC
09-22-2011, 05:17 PM
OU has a press conference at 6:30. Should be some good info coming out of Norman.

LiveSteam
09-22-2011, 05:17 PM
BB has resigned,stepped down & fired

Stewie
09-22-2011, 05:19 PM
I'm hoping the rest of the teams in the Big XII have told Texas to get in line.

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 05:23 PM
This is spot on.

Everyone knows Texas has more money than God, that's not the point. They're sharing Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenues and they get the money from the LHN. That was all fine. Then Texas tried to expand the LHN to include HS games and aTm blew a gasket and cried all the way to the SEC. It's against NCAA rules for LHN to show HS games. It won't happen.

So, let's get all pissy and go to another conference where we'll get less money per school because we are all righteous and aren't about the money.

Kill me with a butter knife.

So let's get all righteous and pissy because the school we root for doesn't have a place to land and we'd be screwed if the Big 12 disbands.

kstater
09-22-2011, 05:23 PM
Okay, so I have a couple questions and I'm not digging through 1000 posts.

1. Is Mizzou going to the SEC or staying?

2. How many teams does the Big 12 want to be at at the end of this?

3. Which teams are most likely to be invited if they decide to stay together and expand?

Mizzou ain't going anywhere. 12, but only 10 next year, likely 12 the following year. BYU, WVU, Louisville.

LiveSteam
09-22-2011, 05:27 PM
I'm hoping the rest of the teams in the Big XII have told Texas to get in line.

In line for what? UT has done nothing wrong.
Any school in the Big 12 has a right to start its own net work.

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 05:28 PM
But does MU really want to be Ole Miss or Miss St in the SEC? Or actually have a chance to rise up here and there in the Big 12 to get to the BCS?

For me...we would go in being better than those 2. Yes we would probably get our a$$ kicked by the elite teams in the SEC, but it's my belief that the greater exposure we would get by playing in the SEC would land us some players we miss now.

And we wouldn't lose Texas if A&M is there too, which is a plus.

We'll never have the chance to "rise up" in the Big 12 in my opinion.

Stewie
09-22-2011, 05:29 PM
So let's get all righteous and pissy because the school we root for doesn't have a place to land and we'd be screwed if the Big 12 disbands.

KU will be fine. The best scenario is to milk ESPN and FOX for the estimated $350 million payday as the Big XII.

kstater
09-22-2011, 05:29 PM
In 2010 the Syracuse Basketball program earned the school $10 million more than their football program.

'just sayin

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/index.htm


Jesus you're a retard.

Syracuse made more money in football than basketball. I'll share the links with you if you can figure out that the link you posted says nothing about football.(Hint the chart posted in your link, shows revenue/profit/margin for all basketball teams).

LiveSteam
09-22-2011, 05:30 PM
Jesus you're a retard.

Syracuse made more money in football than basketball. I'll share the links with you if you can figure out that the link you posted says nothing about football.

LMAO

Chocolate Hog
09-22-2011, 05:31 PM
Army, Navy, Notre Dame, Nebraska..... sometimes once proud programs just go and die.

It is what it is.

Ranked in the top 10 = dead? Or we talking about your hair again?

Stewie
09-22-2011, 05:32 PM
In line for what? UT has done nothing wrong.
Any school in the Big 12 has a right to start its own net work.

There's nothing wrong with your own network. KU has one. The problem is they want to expand to HS games. That's against NCAA rules.

Reerun_KC
09-22-2011, 05:32 PM
OU Presser is nothing about leaving or going anywhere. Just having it to answer some questions and to put an end to some things.

Reerun_KC
09-22-2011, 05:33 PM
Coach stoops had asked ou to stay right here for awhile. He wants to stay in the big 12.

Stewie
09-22-2011, 05:34 PM
Jesus you're a retard.

Syracuse made more money in football than basketball. I'll share the links with you if you can figure out that the link you posted says nothing about football.(Hint the chart posted in your link, shows revenue/profit/margin for all basketball teams).

Then post the link about professional baseball and football teams losing money.

LiveSteam
09-22-2011, 05:35 PM
There's nothing wrong with your own network. KU has one. The problem is they want to expand to HS games. That's against NCAA rules.

I agree that part wont fly in the Big 12. I do think Fla & a couple other SEC schools show high school games on they're net works. I might be wrong,but I dont think I am.

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 05:41 PM
KU will be fine. The best scenario is to milk ESPN and FOX for the estimated $350 million payday as the Big XII.

You keep dreaming that will happen...

ChiefsCountry
09-22-2011, 05:44 PM
Here is the latest numbers - Syracuse football made 19 million while men's hoops made 18.
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d31393634313326796561723d323030392673656172636843726974657269613d33343 3643237346535393237323633353364323733313237323633383364323733313330333432373236373236343734336433393 266333233323266333233303331333132303336336133343334336133303330323035303464267264743d392f32322f32303 13120363a34343a303020504d

Stewie
09-22-2011, 05:46 PM
You keep dreaming that will happen...

What's the alternative? Go to another league for chump change? TX and OU won't settle for that. There's huge money to made if the Big XII stays together and the money won't be split up with the bottom feeders of other conferences.

This is an ongoing process. I'd be really scared if I was a non-player in a conference (Big 10, SEC, PAC, ACC) that protects me. There's no protection now.

WV
09-22-2011, 05:52 PM
This is getting ridiculous....who governs these conferences and the schools within. Shoudn't the NCAA be getting involved in all these schools hoping conferences? What do they want a couple super conferences and then everyone else??

Pants
09-22-2011, 05:56 PM
This is getting ridiculous....who governs these conferences and the schools within. Shoudn't the NCAA be getting involved in all these schools hoping conferences? What do they want a couple super conferences and then everyone else??

Everyone wants TV money.

Stewie
09-22-2011, 06:00 PM
And I must say that it's really sad that universities have lowered themselves to being football (or sports for that matter) first. There's a reason the Ivy League is no where to be found in these discussions.

Professor Wagstaff: And I say to you gentlemen that this college is a failure. The trouble is we're neglecting football for education.

alnorth
09-22-2011, 06:01 PM
This is getting ridiculous....who governs these conferences and the schools within. Shoudn't the NCAA be getting involved in all these schools hoping conferences? What do they want a couple super conferences and then everyone else??

No one governs the conferences, aside from the courts, and possibly congress via the power of the purse if they ever wanted to. The NCAA was formed by the conferences, and the NCAA only has the power that the conferences choose to give to them.

One reason why you'll never see the death penalty handed down against a BCS school, aside from the spectacular damage it did to SMU, is that the school's conference would likely rebel, and the NCAA would be kicked to the curb.

The maximum the NCAA can probably do is that smoking crater they left in USC after their violations.

Saulbadguy
09-22-2011, 06:04 PM
And I must say that it's really sad that universities have lowered themselves to being football (or sports for that matter) first. There's a reason the Ivy League is no where to be found in these discussions.

Professor Wagstaff: And I say to you gentlemen that this college is a failure. The trouble is we're neglecting football for education.

What a stupid fucking post.

ChiefsCountry
09-22-2011, 06:18 PM
Well Beebe is offically gone
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/22/3160556/beebe-resigning-as-big-12-commissioner.html

ChiefsCountry
09-22-2011, 06:43 PM
Mizzou's press conference live
http://www.komu.com/streaming-newscast/

Reerun_KC
09-22-2011, 06:50 PM
Ou Presser on now. Big 12 here for awhile.

Saulbadguy
09-22-2011, 06:59 PM
Mizzou's press conference live
http://www.komu.com/streaming-newscast/

What a joke.

Pants
09-22-2011, 06:59 PM
What a joke.

MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT

COULD GET INTERESTING

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 07:00 PM
Having Neinas take over as Interim doesn't make me any more comfortable. Doesn't he have ties to Deloss Dodds at Texas and Kirby Hocutt at Texas Tech? Doesn't sound like an unbiased Commish to me.

patteeu
09-22-2011, 07:04 PM
Having Neinas take over as Interim doesn't make me any more comfortable. Doesn't he have ties to Deloss Dodds at Texas and Kirby Hocutt at Texas Tech? Doesn't sound like an unbiased Commish to me.

He has ties to everyone, apparently (eg Pinkle, Alden, Castiglione), which I guess makes him at least potentially unbiased.

suzzer99
09-22-2011, 07:09 PM
The fake Dan Bebee twitter is hilarious: http://twitter.com/#!/DanBeebe

MISSOURI THROWS MORE PANTIES THAN THE CROWD OF 8TH GRADERS AT A JONAS BROTHERS CONCERT AND YET NOBODY EVER PICKS THEM UP

OKLAHOMA, WHAT GALAXY DO YOU LIVE IN AND WHY CAN'T YOU GO PLAY SPORTS THERE INSTEAD. YOU ARE MORE OVERRATED THAN TAYLOR SWIFT'S AWFUL FACE

TEXAS TECH YOU LISTENED TO THAT HOOKER-SLAUGHTERING CRETIN CRAIG JAMES OVER MIKE LEACH AND FOR THAT I HOPE THE EARTH SWALLOWS YOUR CAMPUS

TEXAS A&M, YOU ARE NEVER WINNING A TITLE IN THE SEC, NOT EVEN ONCE, AND AT LEAST 80% OF YOUR STUDENT BODY IS WEIRD.

I MEAN TEXAS A&M STUDENTS ARE THE KIND OF WEIRD WHERE YOU DON'T LEAVE THEM IN THE SAME ROOM AS HOUSE PETS UNATTENDED.

TEXAS A&M YELL LEADERS ARE BECAUSE AGGIE IS SCARED OF WOMEN SO CONGRATULATIONS FOR BRINGING SAUDI ARABIAN CULTURE TO AMERICA YOU INBREDS.

I DON'T EVEN WANT TO SEE BURNT ORANGE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. IT LOOKS LIKE BABY POOP

DaKCMan AP
09-22-2011, 08:05 PM
Complete bullshit. You need to listen to Soren Petro, a Syracuse alum. He worked in the market. Yes, there are tons of TVs, but very few give a shit about college football in the northeast. It's all about the Jets, Giants, Patriots. He also laughs that Rutgers is a NYC market. Yes it is, and no one watches or cares.

Syracuse football has higher revenue than Syracuse basketball. Fact.


In 2010 the Syracuse Basketball program earned the school $10 million more than their football program.

'just sayin

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/index.htm

Do you lie on purpose or are you just stupid?

Saulbadguy
09-22-2011, 08:14 PM
Phogtards are tards.

Frazod
09-22-2011, 08:26 PM
So what was MU's major announcement? Did they demand a reacharound from Texas? Well, not demand, but strenuously request. Or at least politely inquire.

:shake:

Mr. Laz
09-22-2011, 08:28 PM
So what was MU's major announcement? Did they demand a reacharound from Texas? Well, not demand, but strenuously request. Or at least politely inquire.

:shake:

You guys should have bailed to the SEC


seriously :facepalm:

Brock
09-22-2011, 08:37 PM
MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT

COULD GET INTERESTING

LMAO

alnorth
09-22-2011, 08:45 PM
Well, looks like we're going to expose this "its not about the money, its about stability" silliness for the lie it is.

If you want the conference to be stable, do what the Big 10 did and marry the conference. If you sign an agreement saying that the conference now controls your tier 1/2 rights for the next 6 years, even if you leave, then you really can't leave even if the Big 10 hands you a gold-plated letter of admission. (we're doing this because no one is going to join our conference at this point unless we all legally chain ourselves together to prove no one is leaving anytime soon)

Boom, instant stability. It isn't done yet, but that is where they are going after the lawyers draw up the paperwork.

So, now it is not about the money, and it is not about stability, so... what?

Jerm
09-22-2011, 08:49 PM
Tweets from Dave Matter....

Been told #Mizzou fan unrest with Big 12 is having impact on leadership's way of thinking. Continued discord within league big factor too.

Deaton & Alden had multiple opportunities to bring out old tune, "proud members of Big 12." They didn't come close to saying it

Alden says #Mizzou factions are on the same page. I've been told separately that's more true now than it had been during this process

By #Mizzou factions, I mean athletic director, fb coach, chancellor, etc. Lots of actors in this play

Alden said he supported Pinkel's recent comments on Big 12. Said he wouldn't have used the word "embarrasing," but ...

Alden on Big 12: "It's troubling." Said you don’t want league talked about way it's been talked about last 2, 3 weeks, year, year and a half

My God, is this administration FINALLY going to show some balls???

I still doubt it...

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 09:37 PM
So....is this just posturing or has the Administration finally gotten smart?

Frazod
09-22-2011, 09:37 PM
Tweets from Dave Matter....



My God, is this administration FINALLY going to show some balls???

I still doubt it...

Yep. I'm from Missouri. SHOW ME.

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 09:44 PM
Yep. I'm from Missouri. SHOW ME.

Same here.....

Setsuna
09-22-2011, 09:53 PM
Sooo Missouri ain't coming to the great SEC? What a shame. The fried chicken, watermelon, and sweet tea is delicious.

KcMizzou
09-22-2011, 10:26 PM
PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
So the latest from the Big 12 on grant of rights is "an agreement in principle." Another told me its in a "position philosophically."

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
After a confusing night, this much is clear. Missouri hasn't signed their rights away, and the door remains ajar for them to go to the SEC.

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
And no one has offered a good explanation why Boren needed to talk tonight. Why not defer to the Chair and avoid mixed messages?

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
Boren's mouth started this mess by saying publicly OU needed to explore its options. And now he's continuing it. Good luck, Chuck Neinas.

|Zach|
09-22-2011, 10:29 PM
PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
So the latest from the Big 12 on grant of rights is "an agreement in principle." Another told me its in a "position philosophically."

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
After a confusing night, this much is clear. Missouri hasn't signed their rights away, and the door remains ajar for them to go to the SEC.

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
And no one has offered a good explanation why Boren needed to talk tonight. Why not defer to the Chair and avoid mixed messages?

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
Boren's mouth started this mess by saying publicly OU needed to explore its options. And now he's continuing it. Good luck, Chuck Neinas.

Hahahaha.

Jerm
09-22-2011, 10:29 PM
I'm starting to think Mizzou might actually do something this time around...the writing is on the wall, no matter what happens this shit will go down in a year or two again...get out while you can.

Thank Jesus that Gary Pinkel is being so outspoken, I think it just might force Deaton's hand.

alnorth
09-22-2011, 10:30 PM
Tweets from Dave Matter....



My God, is this administration FINALLY going to show some balls???

I still doubt it...

They are more likely trying to keep some leverage to get what they want, but in the end Mizzou is a proud member of the big 12 conference.

And will be, forever.

|Zach|
09-22-2011, 10:37 PM
RT @PeteThamelNYT: MT @Dave_Matter: Deaton asked, if Big 12 issues can't be fixed, could MU leave: "That’s a hypothetical that could occur."

@PeteThamelNYT
Pete Thamel
After a confusing night, this much is clear. Missouri hasn't signed their rights away, and the door remains ajar for them to go to the SEC.

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 10:40 PM
They are more likely trying to keep some leverage to get what they want, but in the end Mizzou is a proud member of the big 12 conference.

And will be, forever.

Nice of you to speak for us.

LiveSteam
09-22-2011, 10:58 PM
I like this.

By Randy Galloway McClatchy Newspapers
Oklahoma gasps for air after Texas' blow to gut


FORT WORTH, Texas — Full credit here to the Children of the Corn, even though that was me some 16 months ago, saying Nebraska sniveled its way out of the Big 12. But it’s also me saying today that the Cornhuskers made a brilliant jump.

Next in line this morning for full credit would be the Texas Aggies. All that Reveille barking was up the right tree.

The message in both cases was simple and direct:

We don’t want our future in football, or anything else, tied to The Man in Austin.

Nebraska got out, and the Aggies are getting out. Both moves involved landing in much more stable football precincts.

Better and much more stable because there is no Daddy DeLoss guarding his Fort Knox-like vault.

Speaking of brilliance, Mr. Dodds is the best in college football in his watchdog role of protecting all things UT, no matter the big-picture consequences for others in his conference family.

It’s greed, it’s arrogance, it’s.…the American way. And certainly the University of Texas way.

Daddy DeLoss is a “(p-r-o-f-e-s-s-i-o-n-a-l”. He will hurt you.

Hello, Oklahoma.

The good folks in Norman were picking themselves up off the floor Wednesday morning, still gasping for breath after that blow to the gut that was delivered the night before.

The Sooners power-played DeLoss and Texas. They thought they could, and I thought if anyone could, they could.

Nope. They couldn’t. I was wrong.

The Aggies’ blueprint is the right way, the only way.

No power play involved at all with A&M. No negotiating, no far-end-of-the-bar deals over beers with DeLoss, and no threats.

The Aggies knew they didn’t want to be tied to Texas any longer, knew they were wanted elsewhere, and without a flexed biceps, or even harsh words, they said bye-bye to Texas University, so long to the orange and white.

Lesson learned this week by Oklahoma:

Have an option before you have threats. And don’t jack around for two weeks with your decision, giving idle chatter of it might be, it could be a move elsewhere, or maybe not. Not if UT changes its Longhorn Network monopoly, and also if DeLoss’ puppet is fired.

Was that supposed to be breaking news that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is DeLoss’ houseboy? If that was Oklahoma’s worry, why didn’t it come up a year ago, two years ago, or about five minutes after Beebe was hired? It appears Beebe will be fired, but that solves exactly nothing.

The Sooners talked a good game, and I personally loved the show of verbal muscle, but when it came to Jump City, the knees had no spring, and Oklahoma didn’t have the firm invite to move elsewhere.

“Elsewhere” in this case being the very much desired location of the Pac-Whatever out west.

Larry Scott, the commissioner of that conference, took a direct shot at Texas when he announced Tuesday night that the Pac-12 would stay with 12 teams because of the “culture of equality that we are committed to preserve.”

The University of Texas doesn’t do equality. It does greed.

Bottom line:

For the second time, Scott attempted to hijack Big 12 schools (four of them this time) for his conference, and with Dodds not budging off the Longhorn Network hangup, he failed again.

Word from out west Wednesday is Scott was “appalled” at the arrogance of DeLoss. Larry, Larry, Larry. Who the heck did you think you were dealing with?

Yes, the Pac-12 would have taken Oklahoma State and Texas Tech in the package, even if there was no desire to do so. But those two would be attached to Texas and Oklahoma, two of the biggest monsters in the business.

The other three were ready to go, and so was Texas, provided Texas got the final say on all the side deals.

A year ago, Texas was also ready to go, but Texas A&M was then in the package. It was the Aggies who killed that deal by refusing to move west.

The embarrassing news for Oklahoma late Tuesday night was the Pac-12 didn’t want the Sooners-Oklahoma State two-team package. Texas had to be involved. That’s why it’s very difficult at the moment to take a deep breath in Norman.

Exactly what the Aggies and Nebraska wanted to escape — being tied to DeLoss’ shoestrings — that’s where Oklahoma still finds itself.

Meanwhile, the word was already out that the Sooners had no desire for an SEC move because the school is attempting to raise its academic and football honesty image. One SEC official did say Wednesday that the conference had “issues” with considering the Sooners as a 14th team.

I wouldn’t, however, necessarily rule out the mutual interest.

It’s also a bit premature to say the Big 12 has been saved again, but if that’s indeed the case, the next question is, saved for how long? Last season, it was a conference operating on a foundation of quicksand, and at the moment the quicksand is even deeper.

When Oklahoma stepped out there the last two weeks with some strong words, it opened deeper wounds. Plus, the Sooners learned a valuable lesson:

Don’t talk tough unless you have guaranteed options. (See the Aggies.)

Otherwise, Daddy DeLoss will hurt you.

alnorth
09-22-2011, 11:15 PM
This just broke on the KC Star

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/22/3161027/sec-still-in-sights-for-missouri.html#ixzz1YkGjYNug

Not only did MU chancellor Brady Deaton and athletic director Mike Alden decline to confirm the university’s commitment in the long or short term to the Big 12, the Tigers’ interest in the Southeastern Conference is very much alive.

“We either stick in the Big 12 because everything came about the way it needs to, the right way, with all the differences being settled in Missouri’s favor,” a university administrator who asked not to be identified told The Star on Thursday night. “But what are the odds of that happening?

“The other option is to join another conference and I believe that is something that we’re very open to.”

...

When asked about the SEC, Deaton said that was another hypothetical and he wouldn’t elaborate further.

Asked if the SEC was still in play, the administrator, who contacted The Star, said: “You will not look stupid by insinuating that.”

If this is not true, Mizzou will shoot it down tomorrow. If they say nothing, then they are probably using the threat of leaving to get more concessions out of UT.

DeezNutz
09-22-2011, 11:17 PM
"The administrator" is almost certainly Deaton himself.

alnorth
09-22-2011, 11:29 PM
We'll find out very soon if Mizzou has leverage.

If the SEC doesn't want Mizzou, then it is in their best interests to either invite #14 now (WVU?) or announce they are sticking with 13. If they do that, they cut Mizzou's legs out from under them, everyone is forced to sell their soul to the big 12 for 6 years, and Texas A&M has a clear sunlit path to the SEC.

If the SEC remains eerily quiet the next couple weeks, then that would seem to confirm there's an offer, now that Mizzou has so publicly stuck their necks out for the 2nd year in a row.

kcfan82
09-22-2011, 11:32 PM
We'll find out very soon if Mizzou has leverage.

If the SEC doesn't want Mizzou, then it is in their best interests to either invite #14 now (WVU?) or announce they are sticking with 13. If they do that, they cut Mizzou's legs out from under them, everyone is forced to sell their soul to the big 12 for 6 years, and Texas A&M has a clear sunlit path to the SEC.

If the SEC remains eerily quiet the next couple weeks, then that would seem to confirm there's an offer, now that Mizzou has so publicly stuck their necks out for the 2nd year in a row.

Good luck getting out, Baylor is ready to sue everyone involved in SEC poaching.

Poor Baylor

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 11:34 PM
We'll find out very soon if Mizzou has leverage.

If the SEC doesn't want Mizzou, then it is in their best interests to either invite #14 now (WVU?) or announce they are sticking with 13. If they do that, they cut Mizzou's legs out from under them, everyone is forced to sell their soul to the big 12 for 6 years, and Texas A&M has a clear sunlit path to the SEC.

If the SEC remains eerily quiet the next couple weeks, then that would seem to confirm there's an offer, now that Mizzou has so publicly stuck their necks out for the 2nd year in a row.

Don't think there isn't some discussion about MU helping pave the way for aTm into the SEC. If there has ever been a true offer from the SEC, then they know not following thru would make MU join the rest in the lawsuit meant to slow down the move to the SEC by aTm.

Sucky
09-22-2011, 11:37 PM
Missouri would get killed in the SEC

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 11:37 PM
Good luck getting out, Baylor is ready to sue everyone involved in SEC poaching.

Poor Baylor

That could eventually backfire on them...

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 11:38 PM
Missouri would get killed in the SEC

Just a word to the wise noob....try to come in with a little more intelligent and thought out post if you don't want to get abused.

alnorth
09-22-2011, 11:39 PM
Don't think there isn't some discussion about MU helping pave the way for aTm into the SEC. If there has ever been a true offer from the SEC, then they know not following thru would make MU join the rest in the lawsuit meant to slow down the move to the SEC by aTm.

Nonsense. Mizzou has no leverage on the SEC. At this point, now that OU has nowhere to go, TA&M will be free to leave when everyone hands over their media rights and the Big 12 invites someone that the networks approve.

The reason is because if the TV contract survives, no one has any damages, and everyone drops their lawsuit threat. The SEC can carry on with the invitation anyway even if they don't sign away the right to sue because if you have no damages, you have no lawsuit.

LiveSteam
09-22-2011, 11:43 PM
Missouri would get killed in the SEC

N00bs get fucking killed on the Planet all the time.
Now find a tall building.........& JUMP OFF! :D

SPchief
09-22-2011, 11:45 PM
Missouri would get killed in the SEC

Did someone give you permisssion to talk? Go sit in the corner and STFU n00b

Sucky
09-22-2011, 11:49 PM
Haha yeah I know I dont post that much but I just feel Missouri would be overmatched in the SEC (as far as football goes). Recruiting would be hard for them.

I'll go back to my corner now...

LiveSteam
09-22-2011, 11:50 PM
Haha yeah I know I dont post that much but I just feel Missouri would be overmatched in the SEC (as far as football goes). Recruiting would be hard for them.

I'll go back to my corner now...

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2007/12/386410a~Businessman-Sitting-in-Corner-with-Dunce-Hat-Posters.jpg

Mosbonian
09-22-2011, 11:52 PM
Nonsense. Mizzou has no leverage on the SEC. At this point, now that OU has nowhere to go, TA&M will be free to leave when everyone hands over their media rights and the Big 12 invites someone that the networks approve.

The reason is because if the TV contract survives, no one has any damages, and everyone drops their lawsuit threat. The SEC can carry on with the invitation anyway even if they don't sign away the right to sue because if you have no damages, you have no lawsuit.

You having reading comprehension issues? By any chance did you see somewhere in the post where I said they had leverage. What I inferred was that maybe, just maybe, the SEC is whispering in MU's ear.

I think you are nervously hoping everyone comes back to the Big 12 so the "leftover teams" can have a place to land.

I want my team to leave because quite frankly I'm tired of the instability and being the b**** to OU and UT.

RustShack
09-22-2011, 11:58 PM
Six year agreement to stay together is perfect. Because after the first tier contract gets reworked in five, there is no way anyone is wanting to leave.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 12:04 AM
I was also reading today that TCU is emerging at the favorite to be added. Personally I like them the least out of Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, and BYU. Really I'd rather have South Florida too. But I guess I could see them being comfortable adding another Texas school since ones leaving even though we still have enough. Just keep working on trying to pull in ND.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 12:08 AM
Six year agreement to stay together is perfect. Because after the first tier contract gets reworked in five, there is no way anyone is wanting to leave.

UT and OU won't stay around that long. The Big 12 is just a placeholder till they get the deals they are looking for.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is forgetting that we say this movie once before and the end is not pretty.

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 12:15 AM
LMAO

@davidubben
David Ubben
I just hope Mizzou and OU have communicated at least enough to reach a consensus on what time their game starts on Saturday.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 12:17 AM
UT and OU won't stay around that long. The Big 12 is just a placeholder till they get the deals they are looking for.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is forgetting that we say this movie once before and the end is not pretty.

If they want to leave they might want to consider doing it before they agree to this six year commitment where the exit fees are going to be a lot more hefty.

alnorth
09-23-2011, 12:28 AM
You having reading comprehension issues? By any chance did you see somewhere in the post where I said they had leverage. What I inferred was that maybe, just maybe, the SEC is whispering in MU's ear.

I think you are nervously hoping everyone comes back to the Big 12 so the "leftover teams" can have a place to land.

I want my team to leave because quite frankly I'm tired of the instability and being the b**** to OU and UT.

I have no problem with reading comprehension, but maybe you suck at writing. You basically said if there's a quiet deal and the SEC decides to back out on it, MU will screw the SEC over.

Bullcrap, deal or not, MU has no way, whatsoever, of even significantly inconveniencing the SEC at all.

Incidentally, if you don't get your point across, that is a stupid way to handle it if you are at all serious about an intelligent argument and not just some anonymous internet message board flamer. A normal mature person would say something like "maybe I didn't explain that clearly, what I mean is blah blah blah". An immature troll would lash out with the stupid classic "oh God, you can't read, lol"

alnorth
09-23-2011, 12:36 AM
UT and OU won't stay around that long. The Big 12 is just a placeholder till they get the deals they are looking for.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is forgetting that we say this movie once before and the end is not pretty.

You might not be aware of the implications of signing over your tier 1/2 media rights to the conference, where that holds even if you leave. That is FAR bigger than even something like a $50MM huge exit fee. There is no "oh whatever, they can back out in a couple years" here, this is the college conference version of an unbreakable marriage. The Big 10 and the PAC 12 make their members do this to ensure no one can leave.

If your T 1/2 media rights are owned by the conference, no one else can put you on TV and you become completely useless to any other conference until those iron chains around your ankles expire. If everyone signs this, then everyone is staying in the Big 12 for 6 years come hell or high water, unless they have the votes to dissolve the conference. The reason why it is 6 years is because presumably the Big 12 will land such a great Tier 1 deal 5 years from now that people will be wondering "so, why were we wanting to leave again?"

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 12:36 AM
I have no problem with reading comprehension, but maybe you suck at writing. You basically said if there's a quiet deal and the SEC decides to back out on it, MU will screw the SEC over.

Bullcrap, deal or not, MU has no way, whatsoever, of even significantly inconveniencing the SEC at all.

Incidentally, if you don't get your point across, that is a stupid way to handle it if you are at all serious about an intelligent argument and not just some anonymous internet message board flamer. A normal mature person would say something like "maybe I didn't explain that clearly, what I mean is blah blah blah". An immature troll would lash out with the stupid classic "oh God, you can't read, lol"

Actually you do have reading comprehension issues. You read what you wanted into what I typed. But that's fine..

And the last thing I need especially from you, is a lecture about how to argue intelligently or not flame the board. People in glass houses...

alnorth
09-23-2011, 12:41 AM
Actually you do have reading comprehension issues. You read what you wanted into what I typed. But that's fine..

And the last thing I need especially from you, is a lecture about how to argue intelligently or not flame the board. People in glass houses...

You know what, go to hell. I have no idea who you are, and I don't care. Welcome to ignore. I do not take people off ignore.

Good-bye forever, jackass.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 12:43 AM
You might not be aware of the implications of signing over your tier 1/2 media rights to the conference, where that holds even if you leave. That is FAR bigger than even something like a $50MM huge exit fee. There is no "oh whatever, they can back out in a couple years" here, this is the college conference version of an unbreakable marriage. The Big 10 and the PAC 12 make their members do this to ensure no one can leave.

If your T 1/2 media rights are owned by the conference, then you become completely useless to any other conference until those iron chains around your ankles expire. If everyone signs this, then everyone is staying in the Big 12 for 6 years come hell or high water, unless they have the votes to dissolve the conference. The reason why it is 6 years is because presumably the Big 12 will land such a great Tier 1 deal 5 years from now that people will be wondering "so, why were we wanting to leave again?"

al....do you really think that any contract is unbreakable? If so, then you need to spend a little more time in studying legalities.

As money becomes the hardest driving factor in the aligning of teams in a conference, attorney's will become better at figuring out how to exit without losing a shirt. Remember all the money the Big 12 crowed about getting when Nebraska and Colorado decided to leave? Well, the "settlement" wasn't anything close.

The Big 12 won't come anywhere close to a major deal in 5 years. What will be the impetus? Face it....there are only 2 teams in this league that draw any large interest when it would come to National exposure. No network is going to give a big contract to a conference with 2 major players, when it can go looking to the SEC, PAC 12 or Big 10 and really get their money's worth.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 12:47 AM
Oh...I am heartbroken Al....

And you'll see my messages...you're no different than anyone else that has someone on ignore. The temptation to look at their post is too great. Your ego won't admit it, but you peek. And then you get pissed...but then you know if you answer then you have to admit that you peeked when you said you wouldn't all along.

And FYI....you do have reading comprehension issues. My handle has changed but if you have been around you would remember even my first handle.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 12:48 AM
al....do you really think that any contract is unbreakable? If so, then you need to spend a little more time in studying legalities.

As money becomes the hardest driving factor in the aligning of teams in a conference, attorney's will become better at figuring out how to exit without losing a shirt. Remember all the money the Big 12 crowed about getting when Nebraska and Colorado decided to leave? Well, the "settlement" wasn't anything close.

The Big 12 won't come anywhere close to a major deal in 5 years. What will be the impetus? Face it....there are only 2 teams in this league that draw any large interest when it would come to National exposure. No network is going to give a big contract to a conference with 2 major players, when it can go looking to the SEC, PAC 12 or Big 10 and really get their money's worth.

Their Tier one contract is projected to be something like 350 million after the Pac just got their 250 million(?) last year. But nice try.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 12:50 AM
Their Tier one contract is projected to be something like 350 million after the Pac just got their 250 million(?) last year. But nice try.

I'll bite...why do you think that the Big 12, with all their problems will get a contract that large?

ChiefsCountry
09-23-2011, 12:56 AM
I'll bite...why do you think that the Big 12, with all their problems will get a contract that large?

Big 12 problems is how they split all the money they make. Thats basically the bottom line in the Big 12.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 12:59 AM
Big 12 problems is how they split all the money they make. Thats basically the bottom line in the Big 12.

Which then exacerbates the issue that is causing the problems now.

Nothing changes....right?

But that still doesn't answer why we believe that the contract for the Big 12 will be that large. Are we assuming that just because the PAC 12 got that big amount we will get a bigger chunk?

Doesn't add up...and assumes too many things.

Reaper16
09-23-2011, 01:17 AM
WHICH IS SHORTER GUYZ ALNORTH'S TEMPER OR MY DICK

Frazod
09-23-2011, 01:27 AM
Oh...I am heartbroken Al....

And you'll see my messages...you're no different than anyone else that has someone on ignore. The temptation to look at their post is too great. Your ego won't admit it, but you peek. And then you get pissed...but then you know if you answer then you have to admit that you peeked when you said you wouldn't all along.

And FYI....you do have reading comprehension issues. My handle has changed but if you have been around you would remember even my first handle.

I guess that means I'm still on his ignore list too. He certainly is a delicate little twat. LMAO

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:34 AM
I guess that means I'm still on his ignore list too. He certainly is a delicate little twat. LMAO

LOL...well I guess I can go to bed now. I've actually pissed a person off 2 days in a row.

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 02:55 AM
WHICH IS SHORTER GUYZ ALNORTH'S TEMPER OR MY DICK

We'd need to see your dick.

Discuss Thrower
09-23-2011, 03:21 AM
We'd need to see your dick.

Pics or gtfo....?

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 03:27 AM
I guess that means I'm still on his ignore list too. He certainly is a delicate little twat. LMAO

He's got me on ignore too. The guy thinks he's smarter than everyone else and it'll get to the point where he's left arguing with himself.

DaKCMan AP
09-23-2011, 07:04 AM
Sooo Missouri ain't coming to the great SEC? What a shame. The fried chicken, watermelon, and sweet tea is delicious.

STFU

Sweet tea sucks and fried chicken is for fat people.

Now, this is all SEC and delicious: http://poonsec.blogspot.com

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 07:25 AM
“‘We either stick in the Big 12 because everything came about the way it needs to, the right way, with all the differences being settled in Missouri’s favor,’ a university administrator who asked not to be identified told The Star on Thursday night. ‘But what are the odds of that happening? The other option is to join another conference and I believe that is something that we’re very open to.’”

Hmmm.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 07:26 AM
What changes do you think Mizzou and others will demand of UT and the Big 12 as a whole?

Sharing of first and second tier TV rights is not enough if LHN remains intact and is not modified.

What else is there?

patteeu
09-23-2011, 07:43 AM
You know what, go to hell. I have no idea who you are, and I don't care. Welcome to ignore. I do not take people off ignore.

Good-bye forever, jackass.

He's the poster previously known as mmaddog. You're welcome to put him on ignore if you want of course, but that sure seems like an over-reaction to me.

kstater
09-23-2011, 07:46 AM
Mizzou trying to puff out their chest is amusing.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 07:51 AM
Mizzou trying to puff out their chest is amusing.

:thumb:

In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a real paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.

ChiTown
09-23-2011, 09:00 AM
Mizzou trying to puff out their chest is amusing.

Seriously, if they leave for the SEC, why would anyone care? It's just Mizzou.

notorious
09-23-2011, 09:08 AM
Why would Mizzou want to leave a conference where they have to play OU once a year for a conference where they have to play OU 4-5 times a year?

Reerun_KC
09-23-2011, 09:10 AM
Why would Mizzou want to leave a conference where they have to play OU once a year for a conference where they have to play OU 4-5 times a year?

Because they are MU?

alnorth
09-23-2011, 09:16 AM
In other news, Texas A&M's Vice-Chancellor was abruptly fired. He reacted by pulling a knife, refused to leave, and had to be escorted out by security.

http://www.americanindependent.com/195347/perry-ally-kimbrough-abruptly-fired-by-new-texas-am-chancellor-sharp/

Pants
09-23-2011, 09:22 AM
He's got me on ignore too. The guy thinks he's smarter than everyone else and it'll get to the point where he's left arguing with himself.

He might not be cut out for internet arguments, but he is one of the smartest posters on the Planet.

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 09:23 AM
Why would Mizzou want to leave a conference where they have to play OU once a year for a conference where they have to play OU 4-5 times a year?

Because tough competition is a great thing?

kstater
09-23-2011, 09:25 AM
Mizzou is like the guy that watches his buddy get into a fight with someone. He comes running in yelling "come get some" while lapping the guy that's on the ground. They'll run back behind their buddy once the other guy starts getting back up.

beer bacon
09-23-2011, 09:26 AM
Seriously, if they leave for the SEC, why would anyone care? It's just Mizzou.

This is how Mizzou fans are hoping Baylor feels about the whole thing.

beer bacon
09-23-2011, 09:27 AM
Mizzou is like the guy that watches his buddy get into a fight with someone. He comes running in yelling "come get some" while lapping the guy that's on the ground. They'll run back behind their buddy once the other guy starts getting back up.

Who is Mizzou's buddy in this scenario?

beer bacon
09-23-2011, 09:28 AM
Why would Mizzou want to leave a conference where they have to play OU once a year for a conference where they have to play OU 4-5 times a year?

Why did East Berlin need to build a wall to keep their residents from fleeing to West Berlin?

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:35 AM
Jesus you're a retard.

Syracuse made more money in football than basketball. I'll share the links with you if you can figure out that the link you posted says nothing about football.(Hint the chart posted in your link, shows revenue/profit/margin for all basketball teams).

LMAO

Here is the latest numbers - Syracuse football made 19 million while men's hoops made 18.
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d31393634313326796561723d323030392673656172636843726974657269613d33343 3643237346535393237323633353364323733313237323633383364323733313330333432373236373236343734336433393 266333233323266333233303331333132303336336133343334336133303330323035303464267264743d392f32322f32303 13120363a34343a303020504d


find Syracuse fellas


http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/30/for-longhorns-money-grows-on-football-program-instead-of-trees/

Frazod
09-23-2011, 09:36 AM
He might not be cut out for internet arguments, but he is one of the smartest posters on the Planet.

Really? I've basically noticed him do two things over the years - start Royals game threads and announce that he's putting on ignore anyone who calls him for being a sniping bitch.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:37 AM
Syracuse football has higher revenue than Syracuse basketball. Fact.




Do you lie on purpose or are you just stupid?

oh you too

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/30/for-longhorns-money-grows-on-football-program-instead-of-trees/

ChiefsCountry
09-23-2011, 09:42 AM
find Syracuse fellas


http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/30/for-longhorns-money-grows-on-football-program-instead-of-trees/

Check my link you dumbfuck, its the latest numbers. So go fuck yourself with an AIDS filled dildo.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:42 AM
What changes do you think Mizzou and others will demand of UT and the Big 12 as a whole?

Sharing of first and second tier TV rights is not enough if LHN remains intact and is not modified.

What else is there?

Missouri is completely within their rights to start their own network.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:44 AM
Check my link you dumb****, its the latest numbers. So go **** yourself with an AIDS filled dildo.

I clicked your link.

It didn't work

ChiefsCountry
09-23-2011, 09:45 AM
I clicked your link.

It didn't work

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx

Put in Syracuse, it will tell you the exact numbers.

DaKCMan AP
09-23-2011, 09:45 AM
Check my link you dumbfuck, its the latest numbers. So go fuck yourself with an AIDS filled dildo.

He's too stupid to know the difference between revenue and net revenue.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:45 AM
Football Revenue

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4797/screenshot20110923at104.png

DaKCMan AP
09-23-2011, 09:46 AM
He's too stupid to know the difference between revenue and net revenue.

Football Revenue

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4797/screenshot20110923at104.png

Thanks for proving my point.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 09:46 AM
Why would Mizzou want to leave a conference where they have to play OU once a year for a conference where they have to play OU 4-5 times a year?

Yes, because this is all just about what conference we can likely win the most football games in.

Glad we have you here to delve deep into complex topics like this.

Brock
09-23-2011, 09:47 AM
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx

Put in Syracuse, it will tell you the exact numbers.

It doesn't work.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 09:47 AM
Thanks for proving my point.

LMAO

ChiefsCountry
09-23-2011, 09:47 AM
He's too stupid to know the difference between revenue and net revenue.

Hell KU football actually brings in more revenue than KU basketball.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:48 AM
He's too stupid to know the difference between revenue and net revenue.

huh?

Is that really your point? Yes, I'm a "net revenue" kinda guy

LMAO

ChiefsCountry
09-23-2011, 09:48 AM
It doesn't work.

Here is the main page.
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/

Then do institution search.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:50 AM
Thanks for proving my point.

Moving football teams around cost a lot of money.

A lot less than your bball team.

Keep chiming though. Fact is Syrascuse is a bball school. And they were desired by a conference.

The last year of your claims are worthless.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:51 AM
Hell KU football actually brings in more revenue than KU basketball.

And paying for the football team costs a lot more.

Why is this so hard for you three to understand?

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:55 AM
It doesn't work.

Here are the Syracuse numbers. As you can see the football team actually costs the school money while the basketball team makes the school approx 8 million a year.


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6054/screenshot20110923at105.png

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 09:56 AM
Mizzou trying to puff out their chest is amusing.

Some particular reason that you have your panties all in a wad today just because we don't want to hang around to be OU and UT's lapdog?

Stay in the U R (my) B**** 12 and have fun watching Texas and Oklahoma make your life miserable every year or 2 when someone brings them a proposal that will make them rich without having to share it with "your little sisters in the conference"

Pants
09-23-2011, 09:58 AM
Here are the Syracuse numbers. As you can see the football team actually costs the school money while the basketball team makes the school approx 8 million a year.


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6054/screenshot20110923at105.png

That looks to me like Syracuse made 4 mil on their FB team and 10 mil on their BB team.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:58 AM
Here are the numbers for Kansas. Both sports make KU money. However the value of a Championship level basketball program makes KU's 3rd tier income very high.

Another school that firmly relies on bball to make them $$.

Just like Duke, Syracuse, Stanford, etc etc

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6054/screenshot20110923at105.png

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 09:58 AM
Which Football and Basketball Programs Produce the Largest Profits?

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/

It takes a while to get to the Kansas basketball program in terms of profit...

Go down the top 10...then move past Georgia Tech Football....past Pitt basketball...then keep going...past Northwestern football...and it is at #73.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 09:59 AM
That looks to me like Syracuse made 4 mil on their FB team and 10 mil on their BB team.

Oh yea my bad. I was looking at total.

But the point is still valid.

Thanks Pants!

DaKCMan AP
09-23-2011, 09:59 AM
In 2010 the Syracuse Basketball program earned the school $10 million more than their football program.

'just sayin

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/18/news/companies/basketball_profits/index.htm

huh?

Is that really your point? Yes, I'm a "net revenue" kinda guy

LMAO

Earnings and net revenue are not the same thing. You fail.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 09:59 AM
Really? I've basically noticed him do two things over the years - start Royals game threads and announce that he's putting on ignore anyone who calls him for being a sniping bitch.

He does make good points in some areas...but his problem is that he gets really pissy when we all don't just agree he is always correct.

But...I would agree with what you say here. He seems to have a very thin skin when it comes to disagreeing. I'm betting his ignore list is long.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 10:00 AM
Oh yea my bad. I was looking at total.

But the point is still valid.

Thanks Pants!

I take it you aren't an Accounting Major?

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:00 AM
Which Football and Basketball Programs Produce the Largest Profits?

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/

It takes a while to get to the Kansas basketball program in terms of profit...

Go down the top 10...then move past Georgia Tech Football....past Pitt basketball...then keep going...past Northwestern football...and it is at #73.

Thanks. This list also helps my point.

Syracuse is a bball school. They were in demand by the ACC.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 10:01 AM
Jesus, who gives a fuck about Syracuse's basketball profit.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:01 AM
Earnings and net revenue are not the same thing. You fail.

Keep reachin dude.

Pants
09-23-2011, 10:03 AM
Earnings and net revenue are not the same thing. You fail.

His main point is that Syracuse BB makes more than Syracuse FB for the school. Judging by the the link, he looks to be correct.

DaKCMan AP
09-23-2011, 10:03 AM
Keep reachin dude.

Reaching? You (falsely) claimed that Syracuse basketball EARNED $10 million more than Syracuse football. That is factually incorrect. in fact, Syracuse football EARNED more than Syracuse basketball.

Keep being wrong, dude.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:04 AM
Jesus, who gives a **** about Syracuse's basketball profit.

Because them and Pitt are the teams that were deemed desirable to the ACC.

Syracuse is firmly a basketball school and relies on bball to run it's atletic department.

It goes completely against what many have been saying in this thread for about a year now.

That's who should be giving a fuck.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:04 AM
Reaching? You (falsely) claimed that Syracuse basketball EARNED $10 million more than Syracuse football. That is factually incorrect. in fact, Syracuse football EARNED more than Syracuse basketball.

Keep being wrong, dude.

omg

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 10:05 AM
Top 25 most profitable football and basketball programs. 1 of them is a basketball program.

It is Louiseville. LMAO

Saulbadguy
09-23-2011, 10:07 AM
Jesus christ. Earnings, revenue, profit - it's meaningless.

KChiefs1
09-23-2011, 10:07 AM
Football > Basketball

DaKCMan AP
09-23-2011, 10:09 AM
Because them and Pitt are the teams that were deemed desirable to the ACC.

Syracuse is firmly a basketball school and relies on bball to run it's atletic department.

It goes completely against what many have been saying in this thread for about a year now.

That's who should be giving a fuck.

Syracuse, the "basketball school", leaves the best basketball conference in the country for the ACC. Why? Their football revenues will be MUCH higher from the ACC's TV contract than they received while in the Big East.

You keep bringing up why the ACC would want Syracuse. Their football viewership numbers are larger than many of the other possible additions to their conference.

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 10:09 AM
The difference in football profit compared to basketball is a lot bigger than I thought.

I mean K-State football makes more money than Kansas basketball.

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 10:10 AM
Syracuse, the "basketball school", leaves the best basketball conference in the country for the ACC. Why? Their football revenues will be MUCH higher from the ACC's TV contract than they received while in the Big East.

You keep bringing up why the ACC would want Syracuse. Their football viewership numbers are larger than many of the other possible additions to their conference.

Exactly. This is the broader point.

The 'Cuse basketball team does make more money but they are making the move for more football money.

Saul Good
09-23-2011, 10:10 AM
That list is amazing. I've wanted to see something just like that for years.

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 10:11 AM
That list is amazing. I've wanted to see something just like that for years.

Wanted to copy and paste a lot of it but the formatting was a complete bitch. LMAO

ChiTown
09-23-2011, 10:14 AM
Exactly. This is the broader point.

The 'Cuse basketball team does make more money but they are making the move for more football money.

Which is what Wickedson can't get his pointy little head around.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:15 AM
Football > Basketball

Championships > Profit

:)

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 10:15 AM
Which is what Wickedson can't get his pointy little head around.

Nobody should be surprised. He is the University of Kansas version of the Iraqi Information Minister.

Saul Good
09-23-2011, 10:15 AM
Thanks. This list also helps my point.

Syracuse is a bball school. They were in demand by the ACC.

They aren't more profitable in football because the Big East has a shitty TV deal because they are a shitty basketball conference.

You call them a basketball school. Why do you think they want to leave the best basketball conference if basketball matters? Its because a shitty football program in a mediocre football conference still generates more profit than a good basketbball school in the premier basketball conference.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:16 AM
Exactly. This is the broader point.

The 'Cuse basketball team does make more money but they are making the move for more football money.

Totally fair point.

Frazod
09-23-2011, 10:17 AM
Championships > Profit

:)

I rather enjoyed Syracuse's last championship. :)

Reerun_KC
09-23-2011, 10:18 AM
Nobody should be surprised. He is the University of Kansas version of the Iraqi Information Minister.

okay that made me LMAO

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:18 AM
They aren't more profitable in football because the Big East has a shitty TV deal because they are a shitty basketball conference.

You call them a basketball school. Why do you think they want to leave the best basketball conference if basketball matters? Its because a shitty football program in a mediocre football conference still generates more profit than a good basketbball school in the premier basketball conference.

Of course you want to be in a conference that has good balance.

All the conferences that are deemed desirable to be in have football and bball money rolling in.

Big East Football is not good. Pitt leaving makes it worse.

If the Big 12 had shitty football everyone would want to leave as well.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:19 AM
I rather enjoyed Syracuse's last championship. :)

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Reerun_KC
09-23-2011, 10:21 AM
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dont let that bother you...

that the closest hes ever been to a championship... Let them bask in the glory of another school... It helps them cope...

duncan_idaho
09-23-2011, 10:21 AM
This thread seem to be developing a case of the AIDS as well. Let's see if I can pro-tease inhibitor it back to respectability...

Talked to a few people this morning. I'm convinced of a few things:

1) The national media outlets assuming Missouri is GOOD in the Big 12 are overlooking what I think is obvious to those of us who follow Mizzou closely: Last night was a warning shot fired over the bow of the rest of the Big 12. That looked like a very carefully scripted show, designed to set Missouri up to either bolt or make big demands of OU and Tex.

2) The phrase "Proud members of the Big 12" was purposely left out by Deaton. If you start hearing them use this phrasing, we'll know Missouri is staying put.

3) The SEC wants to get to 14, and it wants to do it with Missouri if the Tigers can extricate themselves from the mess that is the Big 12.

4) If UT and OU make the concessions Missouri wants, the Tigers might stay. Of course, UT didn't even make all the concessions OU wanted, so its doubtful they make them for 'lil ole Missouri.'

Frazod
09-23-2011, 10:22 AM
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You've been teeing that one up all morning. LMAO

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 10:23 AM
This thread seem to be developing a case of the AIDS as well. Let's see if I can pro-tease inhibitor it back to respectability...

Talked to a few people this morning. I'm convinced of a few things:

1) The national media outlets assuming Missouri is GOOD in the Big 12 are overlooking what I think is obvious to those of us who follow Mizzou closely: Last night was a warning shot fired over the bow of the rest of the Big 12. That looked like a very carefully scripted show, designed to set Missouri up to either bolt or make big demands of OU and Tex.

2) The phrase "Proud members of the Big 12" was purposely left out by Deaton. If you start hearing them use this phrasing, we'll know Missouri is staying put.

3) The SEC wants to get to 14, and it wants to do it with Missouri if the Tigers can extricate themselves from the mess that is the Big 12.

4) If UT and OU make the concessions Missouri wants, the Tigers might stay. Of course, UT didn't even make all the concessions OU wanted, so its doubtful they make them for 'lil ole Missouri.'

This is where I am at.

Reerun_KC
09-23-2011, 10:24 AM
You've been teeing that one up all morning. LMAO

speaking of that, I am heading to the course in exactly 1 hour and 40 min...

Bambi
09-23-2011, 10:25 AM
Which Football and Basketball Programs Produce the Largest Profits?

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/

It takes a while to get to the Kansas basketball program in terms of profit...

Go down the top 10...then move past Georgia Tech Football....past Pitt basketball...then keep going...past Northwestern football...and it is at #73.

Methinks that if your list here factored in what Kansas makes off it's $6 million a year IMG deal for basketball it may look a bit different.

just sayin

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 10:27 AM
4) If UT and OU make the concessions Missouri wants, the Tigers might stay. Of course, UT didn't even make all the concessions OU wanted, so its doubtful they make them for 'lil ole Missouri.'

This is key.

What concessions would need to be made to make Missouri, as well as the rest of the Big 12, happy and content with this league's future?

To me, the linchpin in all of this is LHN, and I don't see any scenario where UT modifies it. More likely, I expect they will either bring OU into the fold, or pair with ESPN to help OU do something similar.

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 10:27 AM
Methinks that if your list here factored in what Kansas makes off it's $6 million a year IMG deal for basketball it may look a bit different.

just sayin

I will give you 6 million of pure profit. You still can't touch University of Colorado football. Who barely looks like they know how to play football.

LMAO

That and all the deals other schools get that will only credited to KU in your world.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 10:30 AM
http://i56.tinypic.com/htboch.jpg

duncan_idaho
09-23-2011, 10:31 AM
This is key.

What concessions would need to be made to make Missouri, as well as the rest of the Big 12, happy and content with this league's future?

To me, the linchpin in all of this is LHN, and I don't see any scenario where UT modifies it. More likely, I expect they will either bring OU into the fold, or pair with ESPN to help OU do something similar.

Not sure what Missouri's demands will be, but I would assume 100 percent resource sharing, rather than just first- and second-tier rights, is part of it.

I also think the expansion would have to include moves OUTSIDE the state of Texas.

From what I was told this morning, I think the demands list is going to be unreachable. If the demands shockingly are met, Missouri would stay in the Big 12 with a MUCH stronger hand than before. If they aren't? Deuces.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 10:33 AM
This thread seem to be developing a case of the AIDS as well. Let's see if I can pro-tease inhibitor it back to respectability...

Talked to a few people this morning. I'm convinced of a few things:

1) The national media outlets assuming Missouri is GOOD in the Big 12 are overlooking what I think is obvious to those of us who follow Mizzou closely: Last night was a warning shot fired over the bow of the rest of the Big 12. That looked like a very carefully scripted show, designed to set Missouri up to either bolt or make big demands of OU and Tex.

2) The phrase "Proud members of the Big 12" was purposely left out by Deaton. If you start hearing them use this phrasing, we'll know Missouri is staying put.

3) The SEC wants to get to 14, and it wants to do it with Missouri if the Tigers can extricate themselves from the mess that is the Big 12.

4) If UT and OU make the concessions Missouri wants, the Tigers might stay. Of course, UT didn't even make all the concessions OU wanted, so its doubtful they make them for 'lil ole Missouri.'

See...this I can be comfortable with if it is true.

I want the university to kick both UT and OK in the ass and let them know there are more than just 2 players in this conference.

Both are not playing with any sense of strength since they were rejected by the PAC 12. So it's time to make them realize if we stay it will be on better ground.

But I think Texas' ego won't let them allow that...and for that matter neither will OU's.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 10:34 AM
This is key.

What concessions would need to be made to make Missouri, as well as the rest of the Big 12, happy and content with this league's future?

To me, the linchpin in all of this is LHN, and I don't see any scenario where UT modifies it. More likely, I expect they will either bring OU into the fold, or pair with ESPN to help OU do something similar.

If that happens....MU should bolt.

Saul Good
09-23-2011, 10:37 AM
Of course you want to be in a conference that has good balance.

All the conferences that are deemed desirable to be in have football and bball money rolling in.

Big East Football is not good. Pitt leaving makes it worse.

If the Big 12 had shitty football everyone would want to leave as well.

Balance has nothing to do with it. Total dollars are what matter. Do you think the SEC is balanced between football and basketball?

vailpass
09-23-2011, 10:43 AM
I will give you 6 million of pure profit. You still can't touch University of Colorado football. Who barely looks like they know how to play football.

LMAO

That and all the deals other schools get that will only credited to KU in your world.

Sure but basketball rules !!111!!!

Saul Good
09-23-2011, 11:01 AM
Iowa State will join the Mountain West, Mizzou will join the SEC, and the schools from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas will form the KOTex conference for bleeding vaginas.

HolyHandgernade
09-23-2011, 11:07 AM
This thread seem to be developing a case of the AIDS as well. Let's see if I can pro-tease inhibitor it back to respectability...

Talked to a few people this morning. I'm convinced of a few things:

1) The national media outlets assuming Missouri is GOOD in the Big 12 are overlooking what I think is obvious to those of us who follow Mizzou closely: Last night was a warning shot fired over the bow of the rest of the Big 12. That looked like a very carefully scripted show, designed to set Missouri up to either bolt or make big demands of OU and Tex.

2) The phrase "Proud members of the Big 12" was purposely left out by Deaton. If you start hearing them use this phrasing, we'll know Missouri is staying put.

3) The SEC wants to get to 14, and it wants to do it with Missouri if the Tigers can extricate themselves from the mess that is the Big 12.

4) If UT and OU make the concessions Missouri wants, the Tigers might stay. Of course, UT didn't even make all the concessions OU wanted, so its doubtful they make them for 'lil ole Missouri.'

I think its mostly a show. Baylor threatened to sue if A&M left, I don't imagine that is going away if Mizzou decides to do as well. If the SEC was going to put a condition in A&M, you can sure as hell bet they will on Mizzou too. If 100% revenue sharing is what Mizzou is demanding, they aren't gonna get it. They may get some kind of concession, but it won't be that.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 11:07 AM
Iowa State will join the Mountain West, Mizzou will join the SEC, and the schools from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas will form the KOTex conference for bleeding vaginas.

LMAOLMAOLMAO

:clap:

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 11:14 AM
Syracuse, the "basketball school", leaves the best basketball conference in the country for the ACC. Why? Their football revenues will be MUCH higher from the ACC's TV contract than they received while in the Big East.

You keep bringing up why the ACC would want Syracuse. Their football viewership numbers are larger than many of the other possible additions to their conference.

They'll own the I-95 corridor from Florida through Connecticut - that's what make Syracuse so attractive.

The next TV contract will be enormous for the ACC and it will be in large part because they will essentially have every major school from Miami all the way up the Eastern Sea board in their footprint.

Mr_Tomahawk
09-23-2011, 11:19 AM
Just checking in...


So you guys figure this out yet?

HemiEd
09-23-2011, 11:19 AM
I rather enjoyed Syracuse's last championship. :)

The Tigers and their fans had a comfortable seat at home to watch it, correct?

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 11:19 AM
This thread seem to be developing a case of the AIDS as well. Let's see if I can pro-tease inhibitor it back to respectability...

Talked to a few people this morning. I'm convinced of a few things:

1) The national media outlets assuming Missouri is GOOD in the Big 12 are overlooking what I think is obvious to those of us who follow Mizzou closely: Last night was a warning shot fired over the bow of the rest of the Big 12. That looked like a very carefully scripted show, designed to set Missouri up to either bolt or make big demands of OU and Tex.

2) The phrase "Proud members of the Big 12" was purposely left out by Deaton. If you start hearing them use this phrasing, we'll know Missouri is staying put.

3) The SEC wants to get to 14, and it wants to do it with Missouri if the Tigers can extricate themselves from the mess that is the Big 12.

4) If UT and OU make the concessions Missouri wants, the Tigers might stay. Of course, UT didn't even make all the concessions OU wanted, so its doubtful they make them for 'lil ole Missouri.'

I was pretty amazed at the language used in that press conference. Deaton hedged far more than I thought he would. I'm not at all convinced that MU isn't still looking to get out. UT and OU and running their own little show right now and I don't think MU is going to be able to nudge their way into the conversation. I hope someone grabs some cajones and either mans up to OU and UT, or decides its time to get off this sinking ship before we go from having one evil overloard (UT) to Co evil overloards in UT and OU (looking pretty likely).

The other thing I took from it: Good God, what a pointy-headed little dweeb we have running our University. I've been in OK for the last few days listening to guys from A&M, UT, OU and OSU talking and they all sound like decision makers and aggressive leaders.

Deaton sounds like an eager little poindexter. I know, it's superficial and it's stupid, but I just can't listen to that dude stammer in his high-pitched little voice and think "yeah, this guy is totally going to go toe to toe with Dodds and Boren..."

I also couldn't help but giggle about the fact that he referred to his chairmanship and his 'leadership position' no less than 3 times in response to 3 different questions in the first 5 minutes of the presser. The guy absolutely loves his shiny new title.

Frazod
09-23-2011, 11:23 AM
The Tigers and their fans had a comfortable seat at home to watch it, correct?

LMAO Like I actually watched it.

Hooked two so far.....

duncan_idaho
09-23-2011, 11:28 AM
I think its mostly a show. Baylor threatened to sue if A&M left, I don't imagine that is going away if Mizzou decides to do as well. If the SEC was going to put a condition in A&M, you can sure as hell bet they will on Mizzou too. If 100% revenue sharing is what Mizzou is demanding, they aren't gonna get it. They may get some kind of concession, but it won't be that.

Baylor threatened to sue if the Big 12 collapsed due to aTm's move, because it looked like that would cause the complete destruction of the league.

In this case, if OU and UT are committed to the Big 12 (and where else are they going to go at this point?) and it survives, there are no grounds for a lawsuit.

If Missouri leaves before signing the new agreements, they wouldn't be in violation of any league bylaws. They wouldn't have broken any TV contracts or caused any long-term problems.

Basically, UT and OU are staying, so the league will survive. And ESPN has already stated it won't alter the tv deal. They really can't, or risk being sued as well.

HemiEd
09-23-2011, 11:37 AM
LMAO Like I actually watched it.

Hooked two so far.....

I get it why you show such disdain for college basketball, similar to the reason why my dog is finally starting to learn to avoid skunks. He doesn't like the outcome.

But looking at the Mizzou football accomplishments, makes me wonder why you are so pro NCAA Football?

Frazod
09-23-2011, 11:40 AM
I get it why you show such disdain for college basketball, similar to the reason why my dog is finally starting to learn to avoid skunks. He doesn't like the outcome.

But looking at the Mizzou football accomplishments, makes me wonder why you are so pro NCAA Football?

Jesus, Ed, lighten up. It was a joke.

I don't like basketball because I don't like basketball. I don't give a fuck who's playing it.

vailpass
09-23-2011, 11:42 AM
I get it why you show such disdain for college basketball, similar to the reason why my dog is finally starting to learn to avoid skunks. He doesn't like the outcome.

But looking at the Mizzou football accomplishments, makes me wonder why you are so pro NCAA Football?

I still like college hoops better than pro but I used to absolutely LOVE college hoops back when teams stayed together for 3 or 4 years. Ever since the revolving door of players started happening where it has lost continuity and a lot of appeal for me.

Has any of that affected how you view college bball?

Frazod
09-23-2011, 11:43 AM
Baylor threatened to sue if the Big 12 collapsed due to aTm's move, because it looked like that would cause the complete destruction of the league.

In this case, if OU and UT are committed to the Big 12 (and where else are they going to go at this point?) and it survives, there are no grounds for a lawsuit.

If Missouri leaves before signing the new agreements, they wouldn't be in violation of any league bylaws. They wouldn't have broken any TV contracts or caused any long-term problems.

Basically, UT and OU are staying, so the league will survive. And ESPN has already stated it won't alter the tv deal. They really can't, or risk being sued as well.

This all makes sense. As long as the two main goons stay the conference will survive. And, ironically, could once again call itself the Big 8.

Pitt Gorilla
09-23-2011, 11:49 AM
Interesting take from an OU guy:

http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2011/09/23/big-12-football-whats-up-with-missouri/?custom_click=lead_story_title

At the same time David Boren and OU were proclaiming the stability of the Big 12, Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton was saying he hopes the conference can stabilize. The vaunted granting of rights? Which theoretically “handcuffs” schools to their league? Deaton made no mention of it.

So something’s up and maybe rotten.

Here’s the good theory: Missouri has assumed the role of tough guy. Mizzou, with apparent interest from the SEC to be its 14th member, has a little leverage. Missouri leaving wouldn’t kill the Big 12; as I wrote the other day, I’m convinced nothing can kill this league, with the exception of an Obama jobs bill (that’s a shoutout to my pal Ross, who supplied me with that line too late to use in the paper).

But Missouri leaving would signal to the world that Big 12 stability is a joke. It would signal to prospective members that stability is all hat, no cattle. Just Longhorns in this league.

Anyway, maybe Missouri is the school now holding Texas’ feet to the fire, and Mizzou just might be the school fired up enough to do it. You know who’s been overlooked in all this stuff? Gary Pinkel. The Mizzou football coach twice has spoken up about the problems in this conference. He hasn’t called Texas by name, but everyone knows who he’s talking about.

“I don’t know what’s going to happen,” Pinkel said Wednesday on St. Louis radio station KFNS . “Next year is it going to start brewing up again? I don’t know. It’s unbelievable. We’ve got problems in our league. OK? And we all know what most of them are. But we don’t solve them. We’ve lost three really good members in a year and a half and we think we’d maybe wake up and try and fix the problems so we can have a great league. Because until the problems are fixed, this stuff’s going to be happening and it’s going to go on and on. And it’s not a whole lot of fun to be a part of.”

Pinkel is not all that fun in a press conference. He’s not witty. He’s not gregarious. He’s not charming. But if you need someone to talk straight, he seems like your guy. Those comments mirrored something Pinkel said a few weeks ago. Sounds like he — and thus Missouri — are fed up.

So maybe OU stepped aside and Missouri assumed the mantle of telling Texas how the Longhorn ate the cabbage.
OK, now here’s the bad theory. Boren and OU jumped the gun, trying to save its own face. Not its skin. Its face. The Sooners come out looking bad this week. Let’s review:

1. Monday, OU empowers Boren to decide upon conference membership, and all signs point to the Pac-12.
2. Tuesday, an OU source tells me the requirements for OU to stay in the Big 12, including the removal of commissioner Dan Beebe and some Texas concessions, else the Sooners will go West.
3. Tuesday night, the Pac-12 says it’s not expanding.
4. Wednesday, OU says it decided not to go to the Pac and believes concessions are forthcoming.
5. Thursday, OU announces the league has signed over its first born and will be handcuffed together, concessions to be named later.
6. Simultaneous Thursday, Missouri says the league might stabilize.

So who knows? What a mess. Maybe Missouri told OU, you guys have run the relay this far, let us take it home. Or maybe Missouri said, uh, let’s not dismiss the SEC quite just yet.

HemiEd
09-23-2011, 11:49 AM
Jesus, Ed, lighten up. It was a joke.

I don't like basketball because I don't like basketball. I don't give a **** who's playing it.

Just having fun right back with you Tim.

The Mizzou, "we are too good for you" attitude is something thick in this thread. :D

Frazod
09-23-2011, 11:53 AM
Just having fun right back with you Tim.

The Mizzou, "we are too good for you" attitude is something thick in this thread. :D

Well, that's not coming from me. I learned my lesson last year.

I think it would be best for Missouri to move on to (hopefully) greener pastures. What becomes of the Big Texas League afterward doesn't really concern me.

If Missouri and Kansas do find themselves in separate conferences I'm sure they'll work something out to continue to play the Border War game at Arrowhead - it'll just start the season as a non-conference game instead of end it. Same with basketball, for those who care.

HemiEd
09-23-2011, 11:55 AM
I still like college hoops better than pro but I used to absolutely LOVE college hoops back when teams stayed together for 3 or 4 years. Ever since the revolving door of players started happening where it has lost continuity and a lot of appeal for me.

Has any of that affected how you view college bball?

I still love College hoops, but do not like the "one and done" players at all. Kansas had one last year in Josh Selby, good luck to him. :eek:

This is where I think the NBA is wrong, and NFL is right.

I much prefer to watch College Hoops than College Football, but that may be due to the fact that Kansas teams haven't had as much success as you would like to see in football.

The K-State run was fun, and the short KU run was fun. I went to a few WSU football games before they quit, eeewwwwwwwwww. But the Shocker BB games at the roundhouse rock!

DJay23
09-23-2011, 12:11 PM
I'm no Missouri fan, but if I were I'd be rooting hard for a move to the SEC.

DaKCMan AP
09-23-2011, 12:14 PM
Well, that's not coming from me. I learned my lesson last year.

I think it would be best for Missouri to move on to (hopefully) greener pastures. What becomes of the Big Texas League afterward doesn't really concern me.

If Missouri and Kansas do find themselves in separate conferences I'm sure they'll work something out to continue to play the Border War game at Arrowhead - it'll just start the season as a non-conference game instead of end it. Same with basketball, for those who care.

Not necessarily. Florida-Florida St., Georgia-Georgia Tech, and South Carolina-Clemson all end the regular season.

vailpass
09-23-2011, 12:18 PM
I still love College hoops, but do not like the "one and done" players at all. Kansas had one last year in Josh Selby, good luck to him. :eek:

This is where I think the NBA is wrong, and NFL is right.

I much prefer to watch College Hoops than College Football, but that may be due to the fact that Kansas teams haven't had as much success as you would like to see in football.

The K-State run was fun, and the short KU run was fun. I went to a few WSU football games before they quit, eeewwwwwwwwww. But the Shocker BB games at the roundhouse rock!

Wow, you are in the heart of some great college bball.

I remember as a little kid I learned college hoops going to Iowa bball games when Lute Olson was our coach and watching us play Indiana with Bobby Knight, Michigan State with Judd Heathcote, Purdue with Gene Keady, Illinois with Lou Henson, Michigan with Johnny Orr, etc.

We are in agreement on one-and-done players. I too would like to see it more like the NFL than current NBA policy.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 12:25 PM
Just having fun right back with you Tim.

The Mizzou, "we are too good for you" attitude is something thick in this thread. :D

If you are referring to me....I didn't really have that type of feeling until a few of the Wildcat, Jayhawk and Cyclone fans started acting like we were prima donas for not wanting to hang around and be the b**** for OU and UT.

If you can guarantee that we won't be looking at status quo, I might listen. But too much of what I am seeing now makes me nervouse that Texas has let OU look under her skirt in return for being an accomplice.

HemiEd
09-23-2011, 12:51 PM
Wow, you are in the heart of some great college bball.

I remember as a little kid I learned college hoops going to Iowa bball games when Lute Olson was our coach and watching us play Indiana with Bobby Knight, Michigan State with Judd Heathcote, Purdue with Gene Keady, Illinois with Lou Henson, Michigan with Johnny Orr, etc.

We are in agreement on one-and-done players. I too would like to see it more like the NFL than current NBA policy.

Iowa had some good teams back then, and those Coaches all were special. I was one that HATED Bobby Knight, but have learned to like him as time has passed.

Got to see your Coach, Lute Olsen bring his Iowa team to WSU against the Shockers at the 1981 regional. That was a very special day, as I had honestly found the ticket on the floor at Dillards an hour before the game started. NO ****ing way could I have afforded to gone, especially those seats.
Carr and the Shockers came back from 15 down at half to win.:clap: The Jayhawk game was second, and anti-climatic, many of us left, we were worn out.

alnorth
09-23-2011, 12:51 PM
I'm no Missouri fan, but if I were I'd be rooting hard for a move to the SEC.

I wouldn't, even if the SEC held a press conference to announce they are ready to accept. That is not to say Mizzou shouldn't play poker, if they have some cards to play to make sure Tier 1/2 is shared, force the Big 12 to put up rules on showing tier 3 conference games and make sure the LHN doesn't show high school, then by all means, play those cards. More power to MU if they can get those reforms.

However, if we all get that, then there's not much of a reason, other than emotion, to leave the conference for the SEC. The Big 12 TV contracts are temporarily low and will be comparable to everyone else in a few years. Tier 3 money isn't enough to complain about and the SEC also does not share Tier 3 money anyway, so you gain nothing there. "stability" is an artificial fake complaint since you can force stability if everyone really wants it, and once we get a new contract in 2015 there wont be any financial reason to leave anyway.

All you really get is long pain-in-the-ass road trips, and a smaller chance of ever making it into a BCS bowl. Its a somewhat more realistic option for Texas schools due to geography and culture.

HemiEd
09-23-2011, 12:59 PM
If you are referring to me....I didn't really have that type of feeling until a few of the Wildcat, Jayhawk and Cyclone fans started acting like we were prima donas for not wanting to hang around and be the b**** for OU and UT.

If you can guarantee that we won't be looking at status quo, I might listen. But too much of what I am seeing now makes me nervouse that Texas has let OU look under her skirt in return for being an accomplice.

I guarantee it! LMAO

Nah, the error was made clear back when they brought those Texas teams into the Big 8/12. Losing Nebraska sucked the big one, and Oklahoma would be the only other one that would hurt that bad.

I am probably one of the least informed posters in this thread on this subject, but I get the impression that doom is lurking for the conference, no matter what happens short term.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:03 PM
I wouldn't, even if the SEC held a press conference to announce they are ready to accept. That is not to say Mizzou shouldn't play poker, if they have some cards to play to make sure Tier 1/2 is shared, force the Big 12 to put up rules on showing tier 3 conference games and make sure the LHN doesn't show high school, then by all means, play those cards. More power to MU if they can get those reforms.

However, if we all get that, then there's not much of a reason, other than emotion, to leave the conference for the SEC. The Big 12 TV contracts are temporarily low and will be comparable to everyone else in a few years. Tier 3 money isn't enough to complain about and the SEC also does not share Tier 3 money anyway, so you gain nothing there. "stability" is an artificial fake complaint since you can force stability if everyone really wants it, and once we get a new contract in 2015 there wont be any financial reason to leave anyway.

All you really get is long pain-in-the-ass road trips, and a smaller chance of ever making it into a BCS bowl. Its a somewhat more realistic option for Texas schools due to geography and culture.

I know you put me on ignore, but I'm answering this to the general populace, mostly because you are making assumptions that aren't necessarily true.

The Big 12 contracts are low because they need to be renegotiated and will be when they expire. But yours, and others, assumptions that they will surpass the PAC 12, SEC or Big 10 is at best, childlike.

Why would anyone pay exhorbitant money for a conference that has shown horrid instability, is weighted HEAVILY towards 2 teams at best, and has not shown it's drawing power outside the midwest?

And, you are assuming that Texas and OU will even stay around for the new contract. They aren't going to agree to lock themselves in to a contract that ties their hands....their egos are too large.

I'm betting that if UT and OU make any concessions to keep the B12 intact they will only be to the extent that they are minor.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:11 PM
You realize they have already agreed to this six year deal.. right?

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:12 PM
Meaning Oklahoma and Texas are staying around for the new contract. You might not be very good at math, but five years does come before six years.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:13 PM
The Big12 is also going to reach out to aTm about returning to this more stable conference before adding other schools, but aTm is expected to say no thanks.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:18 PM
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Our source says Boren wanted either BYU, TCU or Air Force added to Big 12 to get 10, or all 3 for 12. That doesn't change. #Sooners

patteeu
09-23-2011, 01:18 PM
I know you put me on ignore, but I'm answering this to the general populace, mostly because you are making assumptions that aren't necessarily true.

The Big 12 contracts are low because they need to be renegotiated and will be when they expire. But yours, and others, assumptions that they will surpass the PAC 12, SEC or Big 10 is at best, childlike.

Why would anyone pay exhorbitant money for a conference that has shown horrid instability, is weighted HEAVILY towards 2 teams at best, and has not shown it's drawing power outside the midwest?

And, you are assuming that Texas and OU will even stay around for the new contract. They aren't going to agree to lock themselves in to a contract that ties their hands....their egos are too large.

I'm betting that if UT and OU make any concessions to keep the B12 intact they will only be to the extent that they are minor.

I think it's likely that a re-stabilized Big 12 would be able to get the big contract that alnorth envisions because they're still a consistently good football conference and they still have a presence in a lot of pretty good college football markets. I don't see why stability would be a concern as any risk that the conference could implode could easily be anticipated by the contract to protect the networks.

If the conference re-stabilizes like alnorth envisions, UT and OU would have no choice but to stick around. Is UT going to leave the conference if the Big 12 still controls their Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights? What conference would accept them without those rights?

kstater
09-23-2011, 01:27 PM
ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
MT @ChrisLevel: Tech's Guy Bailey tells @AaronDickens and I that MU Chancellor Deaton told him MU doesn't have SEC offer, will stay in B12.
42 minutes ago

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 01:30 PM
I wouldn't, even if the SEC held a press conference to announce they are ready to accept. That is not to say Mizzou shouldn't play poker, if they have some cards to play to make sure Tier 1/2 is shared, force the Big 12 to put up rules on showing tier 3 conference games and make sure the LHN doesn't show high school, then by all means, play those cards. More power to MU if they can get those reforms.

However, if we all get that, then there's not much of a reason, other than emotion, to leave the conference for the SEC. The Big 12 TV contracts are temporarily low and will be comparable to everyone else in a few years. Tier 3 money isn't enough to complain about and the SEC also does not share Tier 3 money anyway, so you gain nothing there. "stability" is an artificial fake complaint since you can force stability if everyone really wants it, and once we get a new contract in 2015 there wont be any financial reason to leave anyway.

All you really get is long pain-in-the-ass road trips, and a smaller chance of ever making it into a BCS bowl. Its a somewhat more realistic option for Texas schools due to geography and culture.

I normally like your posts, but your takes are pretty terrible on this situation.

No one with a functioning brain would turn down an offer from SEC - or B1G or PAC for that matter if the geography made sense - to stay in this zombie conference. UT has pushed the envelope since they came in, and the leadership has not been in place to prevent it.

Your entire premise is based on ifs and maybes. If UT gives into demands. If LHN is modified. If the new first tier contract is awesome.

When you have schools like Nebraska, Colorado, and now Texas A&M leave in one year, it should be obvious that something is rotten in Denmark.

Pitt Gorilla
09-23-2011, 01:37 PM
You realize they have already agreed to this six year deal.. right?Who? MU has not signed off on a six year deal.

Garcia Bronco
09-23-2011, 01:38 PM
Big 12 needs to get to 12 teams or no more championship game and a little less revenue.

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 01:40 PM
You realize they have already agreed to this six year deal.. right?

No they haven't.

They've agreed on pushing for a 6 year deal, but Deaton said last night that absolutely nothing has been signed.

Boren made vague allusions to it in his presser (which was absolutely retarded, BTW), but that's all been clarified this morning.

Anyone that is willing to talk thus far has said only that they have a philosophical agreement to move forward towards a 6 year deal but they have 'agreed' to absolutely nothing at this point.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:41 PM
Meaning Oklahoma and Texas are staying around for the new contract. You might not be very good at math, but five years does come before six years.

Actually I've very good at math (Accounting/Credit person here)...but even better at understanding just how little contracts mean these days which seems to escape you. If you think that OU and UT won't find a way out of that contract they've agreed to then you are being a pollyanna.

I'm still waiting for you to answer the first question about why you think that the contract will be for more than the PAC 12? I see you've managed to dodge that one.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:42 PM
Who? MU has not signed off on a six year deal.

OU and OSU have because they are the only two schools who don't have to vote and the Presidents can just make that decision. The other schools have agreed in principle they just have to vote to finalize it. It will happen whether you tards want it to or not. But if Mizzou has a problem with it they can just go independent I guess, since they don't have an offer from the B1G or SEC like you idiots want to think.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:42 PM
ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
MT @ChrisLevel: Tech's Guy Bailey tells @AaronDickens and I that MU Chancellor Deaton told him MU doesn't have SEC offer, will stay in B12.
42 minutes ago

Interesting that they didn't mention it in last nights press conference.

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 01:42 PM
I normally like your posts, but your takes are pretty terrible on this situation.

No one with a functioning brain would turn down an offer from SEC - or B1G or PAC for that matter if the geography made sense - to stay in this zombie conference. UT has pushed the envelope since they came in, and the leadership has not been in place to prevent it.

Your entire premise is based on ifs and maybes. If UT gives into demands. If LHN is modified. If the new first tier contract is awesome.

When you have schools like Nebraska, Colorado, and now Texas A&M leave in one year, it should be obvious that something is rotten in Denmark.

He's been clutching to the XII thing the whole time.

I have no idea what his college affiliation is, but it's becoming apparent to me that he's attached to one of the KS schools and is afraid that they'll end up with no life raft. As a consequence, he's thinking with his heart and arguing in support of that position.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-23-2011, 01:43 PM
alnorth is a Kansas guy.

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 01:43 PM
OU and OSU have because they are the only two schools who don't have to vote and the Presidents can just make that decision. The other schools have agreed in principle they just have to vote to finalize it. It will happen whether you tards want it to or not. But if Mizzou has a problem with it they can just go independent I guess, since they don't have an offer from the B1G or SEC like you idiots want to think.

Hey look - another asshurt XII clinger.

Look - I understand that nobody will want your shithole of a school once the XII inevitably collapses, but you really don't have to be a prick about it.

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 01:45 PM
alnorth is a Kansas guy.

Yeah - makes sense now.

He's just like Rustshack - militantly in support of a back-asswards conference out of sheer terror that the alternative is the Mountain West.

Whatever. I'd roll the dice and take my chances at this point. Maybe MU ends up in the pisswater athletic conference with the rest of the dregs for all I know - but I'm willing to take that chance.

I want this conference dead in the worst way.

Garcia Bronco
09-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Kansas won't be assout. Their BB program is too good for that.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:48 PM
I think it's likely that a re-stabilized Big 12 would be able to get the big contract that alnorth envisions because they're still a consistently good football conference and they still have a presence in a lot of pretty good college football markets. I don't see why stability would be a concern as any risk that the conference could implode could easily be anticipated by the contract to protect the networks.

If the conference re-stabilizes like alnorth envisions, UT and OU would have no choice but to stick around. Is UT going to leave the conference if the Big 12 still controls their Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights? What conference would accept them without those rights?

There's a big if you have in there and my very reason to doubt this whole scenario....if the conference re-stablizes. Two years in a row this conference has come close to folding. Tell me what guarantees we won't see this same scenario next year...or the next?

Aren't you the least bit concerned about how OU and UT have suddenly become bed partners? I am....

And how will this league be attractive if OSU, MU and Texas Tech have a couple of bad years. We already have ISU, KU, Baylor and K-State with very little horsepower when it comes to football. Since we are using "if" scenarios I will throw out this one:

If no one but OU and UT has banner years for the next 2 or 3 years, who will want to hand over a check for $300 million to a 2-Horse league?

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Actually I've very good at math (Accounting/Credit person here)...but even better at understanding just how little contracts mean these days which seems to escape you. If you think that OU and UT won't find a way out of that contract they've agreed to then you are being a pollyanna.

I'm still waiting for you to answer the first question about why you think that the contract will be for more than the PAC 12? I see you've managed to dodge that one.

Football makes more and more money every year for one. Its kind of common sense that a TV deal will be worth more than one signed six years ago. Big12 is still one of the better football conferences. They will be a lot more stable in five years when this happens, among other reasons.

penguinz
09-23-2011, 01:49 PM
Kansas won't be assout. Their BB program is too good for that.LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-23-2011, 01:50 PM
Kansas won't be assout. Their BB program is too good for that.

Villanova and Georgetown are but a few pretty compelling counterarguments against this idea.

Syracuse is a basketball school only, and they just downgraded leagues for FB purposes. I think that's a pretty strong statement about the importance of basketball in the grand scheme.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 01:50 PM
He's been clutching to the XII thing the whole time.

I have no idea what his college affiliation is, but it's becoming apparent to me that he's attached to one of the KS schools and is afraid that they'll end up with no life raft. As a consequence, he's thinking with his heart and arguing in support of that position.

Not to start anything here but why do MU fans think that MU wouldn't be left with the same "no life raft" scenario?

The Big 10 has no interest in MU. The SEC has no interest in MU.

The Big 12 is the best option for MU. This is fact. Your administration knows this. They are not idiots like so many of you want to believe.

Frazod
09-23-2011, 01:51 PM
alnorth is a Kansas guy.

I'll bet he's working overtime adding to his ignore list today!

Pitt Gorilla
09-23-2011, 01:51 PM
OU and OSU have because they are the only two schools who don't have to vote and the Presidents can just make that decision. The other schools have agreed in principle they just have to vote to finalize it. It will happen whether you tards want it to or not. But if Mizzou has a problem with it they can just go independent I guess, since they don't have an offer from the B1G or SEC like you idiots want to think.Getting a bit touchy, aren't we? Every school, tard or not, would be smart to NOT sign such an agreement until members are ensured equal treatment.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:52 PM
There's a big if you have in there and my very reason to doubt this whole scenario....if the conference re-stablizes. Two years in a row this conference has come close to folding. Tell me what guarantees we won't see this same scenario next year...or the next?

Aren't you the least bit concerned about how OU and UT have suddenly become bed partners? I am....

And how will this league be attractive if OSU, MU and Texas Tech have a couple of bad years. We already have ISU, KU, Baylor and K-State with very little horsepower when it comes to football. Since we are using "if" scenarios I will throw out this one:

If no one but OU and UT has banner years for the next 2 or 3 years, who will want to hand over a check for $300 million to a 2-Horse league?

You are the one playing the "if" game. If Texas and Oklahoma are the only two teams ranked over the next five years? Sorry that isn't happening.

'Hamas' Jenkins
09-23-2011, 01:53 PM
Not to start anything here but why do MU fans think that MU wouldn't be left with the same "no life raft" scenario?

The Big 10 has no interest in MU. The SEC has no interest in MU.

The Big 12 is the best option for MU. This is fact. Your administration knows this. They are not idiots like so many of you want to believe.

TV markets for one
A far more profitable football team for another
A far better football team for yet another.

I do find it funny, however, that you want to claim that the administration that signed off on the hiring of Frank Haith is somehow wiser than the public.

What we all know is that none of us know anything about what is happening behind closed doors. But what we do know is that Missouri is a far more marketable brand as a school and program than any other team left in this conference that isn't OU or Texas.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:54 PM
Football makes more and more money every year for one. Its kind of common sense that a TV deal will be worth more than one signed six years ago. Big12 is still one of the better football conferences. They will be a lot more stable in five years when this happens, among other reasons.

The problem is you aren't accounting for cyclical events......You are making the assumption that the teams on the rise, MU included, will continue to have good years. In the post to patteau I already outlined the case for worry should the other teams beside OU and UT start on the downward slide.

Everyone is basing their idea of how strong the conference will be on teams that haven't shown a long history of good football. The only Teams that have it in our conference are Sooners and Longhorns...the rest of us are all johnny-come-lately's.

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 01:54 PM
Kansas won't be assout. Their BB program is too good for that.

I agree.

Kansas will land somewhere. Ultimately, the Texas/PAC implosion may really save them. Their best slot to land is, IMO, the PAC and had the most recent proposal gone through, KU might have been in some trouble until the B1G decided to move to 16 (I think they're basketball crazy enough to take KU).

KU will be just fine. K-State better hope that KU brings them along for the ride.

(Iowa State, on the other hand, may well be up shits creek)

duncan_idaho
09-23-2011, 01:54 PM
Of course Deaton isn't going to tell the President of a different Big 12 school that Missouri has an offer from the SEC, or an agreement, or whatever under-the-table thing apparently is there. As has been posted many times, the SEC doesn't offer. Schools have to apply (after getting behind-scenes info that the offer will be well-received, but still...)

Missouri hasn't signed shit. Deaton made it pretty clear in his press conference, speaking for HIS school, that there were talks of the six-year deal, but no actual signing taking place.

Missouri is trying to strongarm UT and OU into making concessions about tier 3 rights, conference offices, etc. Of course, neither is ACTUALLY going to listen to Mizzou, so Missouri is likely out the door.

RustShack
09-23-2011, 01:55 PM
Getting a bit touchy, aren't we? Every school, tard or not, would be smart to NOT sign such an agreement until members are ensured equal treatment.

Six years agreement and equal revenue sharing on first and second tier deals is pretty much a done deal. There is going to have to be a huge breakdown here soon to change that and that's likely not happening.

duncan_idaho
09-23-2011, 01:56 PM
The SEC has no interest in MU.


False. Just false.

mnchiefsguy
09-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Six years agreement and equal revenue sharing on first and second tier deals is pretty much a done deal. There is going to have to be a huge breakdown here soon to change that and that's likely not happening.

Nothing is a done deal until a contract is signed. The last two years are proof enough of that.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:57 PM
You are the one playing the "if" game. If Texas and Oklahoma are the only two teams ranked over the next five years? Sorry that isn't happening.

No...I'm calling YOU on playing the "if" game.

How about you show me the teams you believe will be consistently in the Top 25? And remember the key word here...consistently.

And if you actually are enough of a homer to put your Cyclones on the list then that will shoot your credibility.

duncan_idaho
09-23-2011, 01:57 PM
Six years agreement and equal revenue sharing on first and second tier deals is pretty much a done deal. There is going to have to be a huge breakdown here soon to change that and that's likely not happening.

It's not a done deal until each school signs it.

Boren was trying to sell that it was already in place (you know, when he scheduled a conference call on TOP of the commissioner's conference call), but Deaton made it absolutely clear that what they had was an agreement to explore such an option.

Missouri is not going to sign that without some concessions.

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 01:58 PM
Not to start anything here but why do MU fans think that MU wouldn't be left with the same "no life raft" scenario?

The Big 10 has no interest in MU. The SEC has no interest in MU.

The Big 12 is the best option for MU. This is fact. Your administration knows this. They are not idiots like so many of you want to believe.

In fact the SEC has shown interest in MU. They just don't want to implode the XII to get them. It has been widely reported that the SEC actually contacted MU last season after the B1G implosion when it looked like the XII would die off. It's now been reported by several outlets in KC, STL and OKC that MU had an offer again this year if the XII implodes.

If the XII detonates on its own, MU will be just fine.

And yes, our administration is full of idiots. Those of us that actually follow the University (or, like me, live here and can speak to the day to day happenings around here) have no problem saying that.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Six years agreement and equal revenue sharing on first and second tier deals is pretty much a done deal. There is going to have to be a huge breakdown here soon to change that and that's likely not happening.

What part of the last 2 years have you slept through? NOTHING is a done deal until the ink is dry....and we've all seen that there is erasable ink these days.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Six years agreement and equal revenue sharing on first and second tier deals is pretty much a done deal. There is going to have to be a huge breakdown here soon to change that and that's likely not happening.

You still believe in Santa Claus don't you?

|Zach|
09-23-2011, 01:59 PM
Six years agreement and equal revenue sharing on first and second tier deals is pretty much a done deal. There is going to have to be a huge breakdown here soon to change that and that's likely not happening.

LMAO

DJ's left nut
09-23-2011, 02:00 PM
It's not a done deal until each school signs it.

Boren was trying to sell that it was already in place (you know, when he scheduled a conference call on TOP of the commissioner's conference call), but Deaton made it absolutely clear that what they had was an agreement to explore such an option.

Missouri is not going to sign that without some concessions.

Borens behavior in scheduling that presser and his spin during it was pretty pathetic.

I'm not sure how you can take the kick to the balls they just took in Norman and still be so damn haughty, but Boren has managed it quite nicely.

ChiefsCountry
09-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I'm not sure how you can take the kick to the balls they just took in Norman and still be so damn haughty, but Boren has managed it quite nicely.

He is a former politican, that is normal for them.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 02:12 PM
I have a friend who is a die-hard Sooner and he is spitting nails today about Boren's presser. He feels the same way today about Boren that we do about Mike Alden.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 02:17 PM
Actually I've very good at math (Accounting/Credit person here)...but even better at understanding just how little contracts mean these days which seems to escape you. If you think that OU and UT won't find a way out of that contract they've agreed to then you are being a pollyanna.

I'm still waiting for you to answer the first question about why you think that the contract will be for more than the PAC 12? I see you've managed to dodge that one.

Why do you think UT and OU's lawyers are better than the networks' lawyers?

alnorth
09-23-2011, 02:19 PM
I normally like your posts, but your takes are pretty terrible on this situation.

No one with a functioning brain would turn down an offer from SEC - or B1G or PAC for that matter if the geography made sense - to stay in this zombie conference. UT has pushed the envelope since they came in, and the leadership has not been in place to prevent it.

Your entire premise is based on ifs and maybes. If UT gives into demands. If LHN is modified. If the new first tier contract is awesome.

When you have schools like Nebraska, Colorado, and now Texas A&M leave in one year, it should be obvious that something is rotten in Denmark.

You are assuming nothing changes. (that we don't share Tier 1/2 even after Texas said ok lets go ahead, and LHN shows high school games.) We don't have to take anything on faith. If the SEC tells you "you have 2 days to accept. We aren't going to give you any time to see if you can work things out, accept right now, or we'll close the door on you", then you may have a point. (I'm not even going to talk about our 2015 tier 1 contract. Our T2 contract with Fox is freaking massive relative to what they got. Our future Tier 1 contract is all but assured)

I guess its possible that nothing will happen, but that would require an assumption that everyone in power is lying. No one has to sign away anything until the above basic demands that everyone seems to be in agreement on are satisfied in black and white.

I'm saying "ok, assume we're not being lied to, and all that happens". Basically you go to Dallas, make those demands, and everyone says "ok, done", here's the contract. Now what? At that point going to the SEC is no upside and all downside. The only reason I can think of at that point is "I don't care, I'm still pissed at Texas!"

alnorth
09-23-2011, 02:32 PM
I agree.

Kansas will land somewhere. Ultimately, the Texas/PAC implosion may really save them. Their best slot to land is, IMO, the PAC and had the most recent proposal gone through, KU might have been in some trouble until the B1G decided to move to 16 (I think they're basketball crazy enough to take KU).

KU will be just fine. K-State better hope that KU brings them along for the ride.

(Iowa State, on the other hand, may well be up shits creek)

I think many Jayhawk fans are a little too optimistic. The SEC is clearly not an option. Some people seem to think ACC, but I doubt it. The B1G is the most likely BCS destination, but that is only if they ever decide to expand to 16. Everyone else in the world could go to 16 and they could easily say "eh, we're good".

The PAC 12 is iffy at best. If Texas goes independent, then KU is good to go, but how likely is that when a lot of people are expecting UND, with a market bigger than Texas, to eventually surrender? All things being equal, KU is probably third on their list, but a couple little brothers in OK and TX probably push them to 4th or 5th. Perhaps if OU/UT are desperate enough to get in, the PAC 12 could fold their arms and decide to be a hardass by flat-out saying no to TTech/OSU.

The most likely outcome would be a cobbled-together Big 12/Big East/MWC merger. There they would be waiting, perhaps for decades, for the B1G to sleepily decide maybe they could expand.

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 02:32 PM
You are assuming nothing changes. (that we don't share Tier 1/2 even after Texas said ok lets go ahead, and LHN shows high school games.) We don't have to take anything on faith. If the SEC tells you "you have 2 days to accept. We aren't going to give you any time to see if you can work things out, accept right now, or we'll close the door on you", then you may have a point. (I'm not even going to talk about our 2015 tier 1 contract. Our T2 contract with Fox is freaking massive relative to what they got. Our future Tier 1 contract is all but assured).

I guess its possible that nothing will happen, but that would require an assumption that everyone in power is lying. No one has to sign away anything until the above basic demands that everyone seems to be in agreement on are satisfied in black and white.

I'm saying "ok, assume we're not being lied to, and all that happens". Basically you go to Dallas, make those demands, and everyone says "ok, done", here's the contract. Now what? At that point going to the SEC is no upside and all downside. The only reason I can think of at that point is "I don't care, I'm still pissed at Texas!"

Sharing tier 1/2 and LHN not showing high school games is hardly enough to turn this into a happy marriage. The whole premise of LHN is deeply flawed, primarily due to ESPN also owning the conference's tier 1 rights. UT knows this - everyone knows this - and their unwillingness to bend was the reason the PAC said "no thanks". Also, I think you deeply overrate the value of the Big 12 to TV networks without Nebraska and Texas A&M.

I think most Mizzou fans are sick of hoping that maybe this time UT and the league will do what is best. And frankly, given UT's history, I wouldn't trust them even if they did bow down and give up everything; their track record of deception is too long to be ignored.

Pinkel said it best - this doesn't happen in any other power league. Guess how much the exit penalties are in the SEC? $0. Why? Because the conference has leadership and members do what is best for the conference, not just what is best for themselves.

patteeu
09-23-2011, 02:32 PM
There's a big if you have in there and my very reason to doubt this whole scenario....if the conference re-stablizes. Two years in a row this conference has come close to folding. Tell me what guarantees we won't see this same scenario next year...or the next?

Aren't you the least bit concerned about how OU and UT have suddenly become bed partners? I am....

And how will this league be attractive if OSU, MU and Texas Tech have a couple of bad years. We already have ISU, KU, Baylor and K-State with very little horsepower when it comes to football. Since we are using "if" scenarios I will throw out this one:

If no one but OU and UT has banner years for the next 2 or 3 years, who will want to hand over a check for $300 million to a 2-Horse league?

First of all, I don't think it has as much to do with recent success on the field as you do. This league was already primarily a 2 horse league and it had just barely avoided implosion when they landed a monster network deal last year. I don't know why the loss of A&M would make them that much less attractive. The league still owns the Texas markets. And the networks can protect themselves from any remaining instability.

I don't see any way for 7 of the remaining 9 members of the Big 12 to sink to the level of regular suckitude that you envision. MU, OSU, TT, and to some degree the others will continue to recruit Texas talent. They'll continue to play the vast majority of their games against either cupcakes or other Big 12 members. There will always be a couple of Big 12 schools that rack up good records even if they lose to both Texas and OU almost every year. Those teams will continue to be ranked in the top 25. It may not always be MU, OSU, or TT, but it will be someone.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 02:34 PM
lol @ the dude calling KK right now