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Garcia Bronco
09-23-2011, 02:40 PM
Villanova and Georgetown are but a few pretty compelling counterarguments against this idea.

Syracuse is a basketball school only, and they just downgraded leagues for FB purposes. I think that's a pretty strong statement about the importance of basketball in the grand scheme.

ACC basketball isn't a downgrade to Big East basketball. Maybe some years, but it ain' that big of a downgrade to matter. Cuse had a great football program in the early oughts. then they hired Greg Robinson and Miami, BC, and Virginia Tech left them.

Trevo_410
09-23-2011, 02:47 PM
breaking news from a source only known inside my house, Missouri to the B1G by monday, the source heard it on a radio source that is unmentionable. News suppost to be announced on monday. anybody else hear that?

KChiefs1
09-23-2011, 02:49 PM
I heard it's a bidding war between the SEC & B1G for MU.

Bambi
09-23-2011, 02:50 PM
That was a great MU caller from "Booneville"

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 02:57 PM
LOL, three schools turned down the offer to grant TV rights to the conference last year. Any guesses?

UT, OU, and A&M. Everyone else was in favor of it to secure the stability of the conference.

Guess UT and OU feel differently now that they got turned down by the PAC. This is absolutely hilarious.

http://ht.ly/6Dgz5

alnorth
09-23-2011, 02:59 PM
Pinkel said it best - this doesn't happen in any other power league. Guess how much the exit penalties are in the SEC? $0. Why? Because the conference has leadership and members do what is best for the conference, not just what is best for themselves.

Another problem we've got is that the Big 12 brand has been damaged. Even if, theoretically, agreements are made, all issues are fixed in legalese, we have new fresh strong leadership, and we all start holding hands singing about solidarity, the Big 12 brand is going to be snickered at for a while.

Does that matter? I'm not sure, but it probably does. When it comes time to let Texas A&M go, the powers that be should think about doing it by, with cooperation from the BCS and our TV partners, dissolving the conference, and forming a new conference. New name, new brand, new offices in OKC, etc. Its not like we're an old conference and there's a lot of sentimental value to be saved.

Pants
09-23-2011, 03:00 PM
That was a great MU caller from "Booneville"

KK was hurt pretty deeply by him. I knew he was a KSU cock chugger, but wow... he straight up just couldn't take it. Apparently the fact that KSU was the shittiest program in the country for 80% of their history is not something he ever wants to be confronted about.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 03:02 PM
Why do you think UT and OU's lawyers are better than the networks' lawyers?

Experience teaches me that the people who want out always have the better attorney's....

Frazod
09-23-2011, 03:04 PM
breaking news from a source only known inside my house, Missouri to the B1G by monday, the source heard it on a radio source that is unmentionable. News suppost to be announced on monday. anybody else hear that?

I'm not sure if I want you banned or killed. I'll have to think about it.

Pants
09-23-2011, 03:05 PM
I'm not sure if I want you banned or killed. I'll have to think about it.

I think he's talking about some random caller on KK's show. Not sure about that, though.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 03:06 PM
I think most Mizzou fans are sick of hoping that maybe this time UT and the league will do what is best. And frankly, given UT's history, I wouldn't trust them even if they did bow down and give up everything; their track record of deception is too long to be ignored.

This has been my biggest complaint thus far....everyone wants to trust Texas. They haven't given us any reason to thus far, or any indication that they could be trusted in the future.

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 03:07 PM
People still listen to KK?

Dayze
09-23-2011, 03:07 PM
People still listen to KK?

only when we want to hear the Racin' Boys and Smoke & Fire informericals.

Pants
09-23-2011, 03:09 PM
People still listen to KK?

You would have loved the Boonville caller. LMAO

Frazod
09-23-2011, 03:12 PM
This has been my biggest complaint thus far....everyone wants to trust Texas. They haven't given us any reason to thus far, or any indication that they could be trusted in the future.

Anybody who wants to trust Texas has apparently never heard the parable about the fox and the scorpion.

alnorth
09-23-2011, 03:17 PM
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2011/sep/23/realignment-today-926-am-big-12-moves-on/

Chris Level, who covers Texas Tech for Rivals.com reported earlier that Tech president Guy Bailey told him and Aaron Dickens earlier today that Mizzou's Brady Deaton told him that MU did not have an offer from the SEC and would remain in the Big 12.

Not that I'm going to automatically believe the output of a telephone game where someone reported about something that was reported by a blogger who was reporting something he was told by the Tech president who was passing on something that he was told by Deaton, without confirmation. (Is that third-hand information or 4th-hand information?)

But, if Mizzou does not have an offer and fully intends to stay in the Big 12, then what was Deaton doing last night?

Garcia Bronco
09-23-2011, 03:20 PM
There is no, nor was there, an offer to have MU join the SEC.

Chocolate Hog
09-23-2011, 03:29 PM
I heard it's a bidding war between the SEC & B1G for MU.

Yea right.

duncan_idaho
09-23-2011, 03:32 PM
http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2011/sep/23/realignment-today-926-am-big-12-moves-on/



Not that I'm going to automatically believe the output of a telephone game where someone reported about something that was reported by a blogger who was reporting something he was told by the Tech president who was passing on something that he was told by Deaton, without confirmation. (Is that third-hand information or 4th-hand information?)

But, if Mizzou does not have an offer and fully intends to stay in the Big 12, then what was Deaton doing last night?

As Gabe was just saying on PowerMizzou, three potential options:

1) Texas Tech's pres is blowing smoke and trying to put pressure on Mizzou
2) Deaton did tell him there was no offer. Basically, Deaton lied/intentionally withheld full truth from Tech pres
3) Deaton made stuff up at the press conference, which would end up costing him job.

2 is the only one that makes sense to me.

Missouri does not have an offer in that the SEC does give out offers. What it sounds like Missouri has is indications that if they applied to the SEC, they would quickly be accepted.

It's splitting hairs, but there IS a difference there.

Great Expectations
09-23-2011, 03:39 PM
As Gabe was just saying on PowerMizzou, three potential options:

1) Texas Tech's pres is blowing smoke and trying to put pressure on Mizzou
2) Deaton did tell him there was no offer. Basically, Deaton lied/intentionally withheld full truth from Tech pres
3) Deaton made stuff up at the press conference, which would end up costing him job.

2 is the only one that makes sense to me.

Missouri does not have an offer in that the SEC does give out offers. What it sounds like Missouri has is indications that if they applied to the SEC, they would quickly be accepted.

It's splitting hairs, but there IS a difference there.

Deaton forgot that he can't pull the power play that Boren did to make Texas play fairly. I think he thought he could pull an OU. I also don't think trying that maneuver will cost him his job. He was doing it in MU's best interest, making GabeD look foolish isn't a fireable offense.

alnorth
09-23-2011, 03:44 PM
Missouri does not have an offer in that the SEC does give out offers. What it sounds like Missouri has is indications that if they applied to the SEC, they would quickly be accepted.

Well, thats true with every conference, but its kind of like a Sadie Hawkins dance (no, this time YOU have to ask ME to the dance!), everyone still understands that you don't apply unless you've been given a green light.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 03:45 PM
Well, thats true with every conference, but its kind of like a Sadie Hawkins dance (no, this time YOU have to ask ME to the dance!), everyone still understands that you don't apply unless you've been given a green light.

Evidently Al forgot about West Virginia...

Stewie
09-23-2011, 04:23 PM
Who is OU's AD? Does he have a tie to MU? Is it possible that since OU lost its leverage that there were calls made to MU to take the torch? I think so.

beer bacon
09-23-2011, 04:24 PM
New interim commish Chuck Neinas spoke to Tony Barnhardt today, and this is what he had to say:

Chuck Neinas on Missouri: "I believe Missouri would like to remain in the Big 12." Said UM Board of Curators "may have a different idea."

http://twitter.com/#!/MrCFB/status/117341234313433088

ChiTown
09-23-2011, 04:36 PM
Who is OU's AD? Does he have a tie to MU? Is it possible that since OU lost its leverage that there were calls made to MU to take the torch? I think so.

He worked for the MU Athletic Department before taking the OU job as AD

Rams Fan
09-23-2011, 05:21 PM
Who is OU's AD? Does he have a tie to MU? Is it possible that since OU lost its leverage that there were calls made to MU to take the torch? I think so.

Joe Castiglione is OU's AD. He was Mizzou's AD before Alden.

BillSelfsTrophycase
09-23-2011, 05:24 PM
Never should have let those Texas assholes in the Big 8

It's hard to hate a team other than MU or K-State, but here I am

eazyb81
09-23-2011, 05:33 PM
Paul Finebaum had Tony Barnhart from CBS Sports on his show today and he said that Missouri has always been the only 14th SEC desired team with an offer. He also said that FSU, Clemson, WVU, Virginia Tech were never under consideration.

He then mentioned that the SEC will wait and they are prepared to keep the league at 13 with TA&M if Missouri does not accept. SEC has already taken the steps to create an off balanced schedule although they prefer to balance it out with Missouri...



I have no idea if Mizzou will end up in the SEC - I actually think the odds are that they stay put in the Big 12. But I have heard enough smoke from both Mizzou and SEC insiders at this point to believe that an offer/invite/suggestion/whatever has definitely been made to let Mizzou know they have a spot in the conference if they want it.

KcMizzou
09-23-2011, 05:36 PM
You would have loved the Boonville caller. LMAOThat was hilarious. "I don't like playing these cupcakes like Western Illinois... or even Iowa State and K-State."

I thought KK's head was going to explode. Long live the Big 6!!

HolyHandgernade
09-23-2011, 05:59 PM
I'll bet my casino cash that Missouri stays and there is no concession by Texas to share third tier rights.

Crush
09-23-2011, 06:10 PM
Trusting Texas is akin to trusting Jake Roberts during his "trust me" period.

Mosbonian
09-23-2011, 09:38 PM
You mean there are no updates in the last couple of hours? LOL

KcMizzou
09-23-2011, 09:38 PM
You mean there are no updates in the last couple of hours? LOLStay tuned.

alnorth
09-23-2011, 09:55 PM
I'll bet my casino cash that Missouri stays and there is no concession by Texas to share third tier rights.

sharing tier 3 money is not a major issue outside the internet. The 2 big issues are high school on the LHN and the need to set up rules acceptable to all on conference football games on the LHN.

kcfan82
09-23-2011, 10:13 PM
sharing tier 3 money is not a major issue outside the internet. The 2 big issues are high school on the LHN and the need to set up rules acceptable to all on conference football games on the LHN.

3rd tier rights shouldn't be an issue. I know Missouri had a PPV game this year, Nebraska had them in the past as has OU and others.

They just keep that money to themselves as well.

HolyHandgernade
09-23-2011, 10:35 PM
sharing tier 3 money is not a major issue outside the internet. The 2 big issues are high school on the LHN and the need to set up rules acceptable to all on conference football games on the LHN.

I agree, I just saw duncan idaho say something to that affect. Personally, I really could care less about the LHN. I don't think it adds much of a competitive advantage if any.

That said, I would argue the important issues are more about establishing the vision and cooperation of the conference, not the restriction of this or that. The Big XII ought to have some common goals instead of promoting this constant "every school for themselves" mentality.

Now, you might say the LHN is an impediment towards those goals, but I don't think so. The LHN is a big deal because everyone chooses to use it as a symbol of division. The Big XII needs to identify what to work together on, what they stand for as a conference and how they want to assist each other in that endeavor. Until people stop making a bigger deal out of the LHN than needs be, consensus building will not occur. And that's just as much a problem of the eight other members as it is Texas.

tk13
09-23-2011, 10:42 PM
I don't even have a rooting interest in any of this, but I think some of you guys are way too trusting of Texas. They just went around the country displaying their arrogance, and people think they're going to come back and be nice to the Big XII now? Really?

I don't think their network is a big deal now because nobody is carrying it. But I think if it does start to get picked up, then it'll be a problem years down the road. Gotta be a huge recruiting advantage in all sports to say to recruits "Hey, we have our own cable channel, people can watch you play, plus we'll do feature stories and programs about you all the time!" A 24 hour network basically devoted to promotion of your school. Nobody else in the country has anything like that. If any of these other AD's in their conference are forward thinking at all, you'd think they would know better, just in case it does happen to take off.

To me this looks like a bunch of fans who watched their hot girlfriend flirt with pretty much everyone else, get bored when no one would put up with their BS, and come back for now pretending like nothing happened, and you all are just putting up with it because you don't want to be alone.

HolyHandgernade
09-23-2011, 10:49 PM
I don't think its a "trusting Texas" issue. I mean, where is Texas really going to go. To go anywhere else, Texas has to "adjust" its LHN. Only in the Big XII does Texas really get about everything it wants. And, while most don't want to admit it, Texas gives the conference just about everything it needs: competition, national exposure, recruiting grounds, TV markets.

We don't have to be "best buds", but we do need to be good allies, and good allies promote the overall good of the whole. It doesn't seem practical right now, but it doesn't make it impossible. With the right leadership, this conference could be outstanding, and that leadership has to come from all parties towards common goals, not focuses on what agitates them.

KcMizzou
09-23-2011, 11:57 PM
I don't think its a "trusting Texas" issue. I mean, where is Texas really going to go. To go anywhere else, Texas has to "adjust" its LHN. Only in the Big XII does Texas really get about everything it wants. And, while most don't want to admit it, Texas gives the conference just about everything it needs: competition, national exposure, recruiting grounds, TV markets.

We don't have to be "best buds", but we do need to be good allies, and good allies promote the overall good of the whole. It doesn't seem practical right now, but it doesn't make it impossible. With the right leadership, this conference could be outstanding, and that leadership has to come from all parties towards common goals, not focuses on what agitates them. If I get this right, you're saying STFU and kiss Bevo's ass.

It's all good as long as Texas gets everything it wants.

BWillie
09-24-2011, 12:07 AM
The Jayhawk Network is worth 7.3 million a year. All going to the University of Kansas. But doesn't really have the potential to be HUGE like the LHN. Guess basketball can make some money

BWillie
09-24-2011, 12:10 AM
How come Kentucky likes the SEC so much? What do they get out of getting their brains kicked in every year in the SEC football? They are a basketball school anyway. I know they aren't going anywhere, but just dreaming about a home and away in basketball would be ridiculous, then throw in Louisville in there.

KcMizzou
09-24-2011, 12:11 AM
Mostly unrelated... What's with West Virginia and the couch burning?

As everyone knows, West Virginia fans have an impressive history of lighting things on fire – win or lose – and city officials are taking preemptive steps so that Morgantown doesn’t burn this weekend.

" City officials will remove furniture and other flammable items from porches and lawns this week in an effort to combat celebratory fires following the nationally televised football game this weekend.

The abatement effort, which covers much of downtown Morgantown and will be effective Thursday through Monday, requires that residents remove any furniture, construction materials, debris and other combustible materials from porches, balconies or lawns."

West Virginia, ya’ll.

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/09/22/morgantown-is-making-everyone-take-couches-off-their-porches-prior-to-the-west-virginia-lsu-game/

alnorth
09-24-2011, 12:17 AM
The Jayhawk Network is worth 7.3 million a year. All going to the University of Kansas. But doesn't really have the potential to be HUGE like the LHN. Guess basketball can make some money

I don't really get this HUGE potential. They are not notre dame. The market for the LHN ends at the state line. Almost no one outside of Texas wants the LHN, and its not like everyone in the state is scrambling for it to the point where they can demand ESPN money out of the cable providers.

BWillie
09-24-2011, 12:18 AM
Pretty sure it's going to be hard for West Virginia to get into the Big 12 if they want to since they rely on partial qualifiers.

KcMizzou
09-24-2011, 12:26 AM
It's all about Texas.



Time For Texas To Own It
September 22, 2011 11:35 pm, UTC

By: C.T. Steckel

Longhorn Network Causing A Blackout Across College Athletics

A wise man once said the key to life is to simply “know who you are.” Be bold, live with integrity, and accept the consequences. Life also weeds out the pretenders; those trying to fake it and make it always get exposed. Since the beginning of college athletics, the University of Texas has been a virtual superpower, a force so strong when it comes to winning championships and creating an environment of financial success, that others simply can’t compete.

Even now, after trying to hold it’s own for more then a century, it’s biggest rival realizes it’s time to chuck and run. So while Texas A&M is off to what they believe will be greener pastures in the SEC, the truth of the matter is easy to cut… the real green is flowing in to Austin on a pipeline directly from Bristol, Connecticut, known as the Longhorn Network.

Let’s be clear about one thing – this is America and capitalism reigns. So for those of you (and me) who would love to find a thousand reasons to blame Texas for the chaos that has ensued resulting in major conference realignment, leave your jealousy at the door. When ESPN squashed a deal between Fox Sports and Texas to the tune of $300 million dollars over 20-years to form the Longhorn Network, it signaled the beginning of the end, at least for the Aggies and the original Big 12.

The major issue here isn’t that tradition and history are being thrown out the window, even though purist like myself are still crying ourselves to sleep in the fetal position. The problem is that Texas refuses to admit its role in the entire process. They’re the Big Bad Wolf, and yet in the mirror they see Miss Red Riding Hood, and it’s time to own up to blowing down the house.

For $300 million you can understand why Texas is fighting to keep the LHN.

“I don’t think our network is in play,” Texas’ athletic director DeLoss Dodds said Wednesday. “Our network is our network. Anybody can do one.” It gets better… “If somebody thinks something is wrong with our network, and thinks it’s hurting the conference, we would absolutely address it.”

I respect Dodds as much as anybody for the athletic program he’s helped to build in burnt orange, but those words aren’t fooling anybody. Even this General Studies major.

Consider the fact that the Pac-12, with it’s new billion dollar TV deal and recent expansion, ultimately voted not to include Texas and Oklahoma (and their step-sisters Texas Tech and Oklahoma State) because its after a “culture of equality.” Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said the league’s equanimity would have been jeopardized with the inclusion of the four schools. Asked specifically if it had anything to do with the Longhorn Network, Scott said, “It became clear that wasn’t going to be able to fold into our structure in a way that’s comfortable with our members.”

For those of you who failed English in college, that means Texas had 300 million reasons not to give an inch at the bargaining table, and it’s laughing all the way to the bank.

The reality in 2011 on planet Earth is that only a few institutions of higher learning in the country can have their own TV Network. Notre Dame football was the first in a sense, and remains the only college football national showcase on NBC. Out in Utah, BYU has the money and capability to draw interest because of the Mormon faith, and it’s legion of constituents nationwide. However, most in America don’t know the Cougar’s network even exists. And what do Notre Dame and BYU have in common? Oh yeah, they’re independents in FBS college football, and Texas isn’t.

Potentially schools like USC, Ohio State or Florida could create their own television conglomerate, but not many others could. It’s all based upon success on the field, large markets within the existing fan base, and the ability to raise capital through advertising. So Dodds isn’t being genuine when he says, “anybody can have one.” Just drive across the Red River and ask Bob Stoops and Joe Castiglione, because right now, they don’t.

Texas isn’t going to give up the Longhorn Network, and one day they’ll make more than $300 million on the venture, despite the fact only 250,000 customers in Texas and nobody in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio or Austin could even tune into the launch. When DirecTV, Time Warner, AT&T U-Verse, Dish Network and Comcast don’t carry your signal… no one is watching.

So besides the distribution issues, the other major problem is that we all want what we can’t have, and when we don’t get it, jealousy and envy set in. Just ask A&M, OU, Missouri and Iowa State… although I can’t imagine a Cyclone Network anytime soon.

You’re taking your school to new heights, but please don’t deny you aren’t human DeLoss Dodds. You’ve always been an honest man. Know who you are. http://www.holyturf.com/2011/09/time-for-texas-to-own-it/

DaKCMan AP
09-24-2011, 07:17 AM
How come Kentucky likes the SEC so much? What do they get out of getting their brains kicked in every year in the SEC football? They are a basketball school anyway. I know they aren't going anywhere, but just dreaming about a home and away in basketball would be ridiculous, then throw in Louisville in there.

$18 million reasons per year for Kentucky to stay with SEC football.

notorious
09-24-2011, 08:14 AM
Sooooo, if Texass can't show away games or HS games, what in the hell can they show?


Am I going to have to purchase the stupid network if I want to watch anyone play at Texas? They are really going to cut down on their customer base if that is the case.


Texas: Underachieving AssClowns.

Saulbadguy
09-24-2011, 08:47 AM
Mostly unrelated... What's with West Virginia and the couch burning?


They like to burn couches.

Saul Good
09-24-2011, 09:13 AM
How come Kentucky likes the SEC so much? What do they get out of getting their brains kicked in every year in the SEC football? They are a basketball school anyway. I know they aren't going anywhere, but just dreaming about a home and away in basketball would be ridiculous, then throw in Louisville in there.It's a mystery.

Rank School Revenue Expenses Profit
1 University of Texas (Football) $93,942,815 $25,112,331 $68,830,484
2 Univ. of Georgia (Football) $70,838,539 $18,308,654 $52,529,885
3 Penn State Univ. (Football) $70,208,584 $19,780,939 $50,427,645
4 Univ. of Michigan (Football) $63,189,417 $18,328,233 $44,861,184
5 Univ. of Florida (Football) $68,715,750 $24,457,557 $44,258,193
6 Louisiana State Univ. (Football) $68,819,806 $25,566,520 $43,253,286
7 Univ. of Alabama (Football) $71,884,525 $31,118,134 $40,766,391
8 Univ. of Tennessee (Football) $56,593,946 $17,357,345 $39,236,601
9 Auburn Univ. (Football) $66,162,720 $27,911,713 $38,251,007
10 University of Oklahoma (Football) $58,295,888 $20,150,769 $38,145,119
11 Univ. of South Carolina (Football) $58,266,159 $22,794,211 $35,471,948
12 Notre Dame (Football) $64,163,063 $29,490,788 $34,672,275
13 University of Nebraska (Football) $49,928,228 $17,843,849 $32,084,379
14 Ohio State Univ. (Football) $63,750,000 $31,763,036 $31,986,964
15 Univ. of Iowa (Football) $45,854,764 $18,468,732 $27,386,032
16 Michigan State Univ. (Football) $44,462,659 $17,468,458 $26,994,201
17 Univ. of Arkansas (Football) $48,524,244 $22,005,104 $26,519,140
18 Texas A&M (Football) $41,915,428 $16,599,798 $25,315,630
19 Univ. of Kentucky (Football) $31,890,572 $13,905,724 $17,984,848

71 Univ. of Kentucky (Basketball) $16,781,239 $11,573,283 $5,207,956

Setsuna
09-24-2011, 10:25 AM
Mostly unrelated... What's with West Virginia and the couch burning?



http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/09/22/morgantown-is-making-everyone-take-couches-off-their-porches-prior-to-the-west-virginia-lsu-game/

It won't matter because they won't win. They are going to get rick rolled. And they will never come to the SEC because they aren't worthy.

HolyHandgernade
09-24-2011, 11:50 AM
If I get this right, you're saying STFU and kiss Bevo's ass.

It's all good as long as Texas gets everything it wants.

No, I'm saying instead of obsessing so much on Texas, the conference as a whole should focus on goals it can work towards together. Your response exemplifies my point. You want to focus on what someone else has and use that as the excuse for all that ails you. With that mentality, its impossible for you to look at common goals and focus on those. Your misplaced focus is not the fault of someone else, yet you use that as the excuse to not have to try.

BWillie
09-24-2011, 12:10 PM
It's a mystery.

Rank School Revenue Expenses Profit
1 University of Texas (Football) $93,942,815 $25,112,331 $68,830,484
2 Univ. of Georgia (Football) $70,838,539 $18,308,654 $52,529,885
3 Penn State Univ. (Football) $70,208,584 $19,780,939 $50,427,645
4 Univ. of Michigan (Football) $63,189,417 $18,328,233 $44,861,184
5 Univ. of Florida (Football) $68,715,750 $24,457,557 $44,258,193
6 Louisiana State Univ. (Football) $68,819,806 $25,566,520 $43,253,286
7 Univ. of Alabama (Football) $71,884,525 $31,118,134 $40,766,391
8 Univ. of Tennessee (Football) $56,593,946 $17,357,345 $39,236,601
9 Auburn Univ. (Football) $66,162,720 $27,911,713 $38,251,007
10 University of Oklahoma (Football) $58,295,888 $20,150,769 $38,145,119
11 Univ. of South Carolina (Football) $58,266,159 $22,794,211 $35,471,948
12 Notre Dame (Football) $64,163,063 $29,490,788 $34,672,275
13 University of Nebraska (Football) $49,928,228 $17,843,849 $32,084,379
14 Ohio State Univ. (Football) $63,750,000 $31,763,036 $31,986,964
15 Univ. of Iowa (Football) $45,854,764 $18,468,732 $27,386,032
16 Michigan State Univ. (Football) $44,462,659 $17,468,458 $26,994,201
17 Univ. of Arkansas (Football) $48,524,244 $22,005,104 $26,519,140
18 Texas A&M (Football) $41,915,428 $16,599,798 $25,315,630
19 Univ. of Kentucky (Football) $31,890,572 $13,905,724 $17,984,848

71 Univ. of Kentucky (Basketball) $16,781,239 $11,573,283 $5,207,956

Well, duh. I realize the money and if they went to a different conference they would lose a little bit. They wouldn't be poor though if they went to the ACC or Big 12 though. Just too may traditional rivalries for them to leave and obviously the $. If they came to the Big 12 though they could start their own network and get tier 3 money.

BTW, where did you get that list? Crazy to think that Iowa's football team is virtually as profitable as Ohio States.

HolyHandgernade
09-24-2011, 12:11 PM
Consider the fact that the Pac-12, with it’s new billion dollar TV deal and recent expansion, ultimately voted not to include Texas and Oklahoma (and their step-sisters Texas Tech and Oklahoma State) because its after a “culture of equality.” Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said the league’s equanimity would have been jeopardized with the inclusion of the four schools. Asked specifically if it had anything to do with the Longhorn Network, Scott said, “It became clear that wasn’t going to be able to fold into our structure in a way that’s comfortable with our members.”

Let's get something strait, the PAC-12 didn't vote to "not include Texas and Oklahoma", it voted not to expand. It would very much like Texas, it just doesn't want them with their own LHN. Texas was just as not interested in joining the PAC-12 without their LHN. So, implying this was a one sided affair that Texas was actively pursuing isn't accurate. Oklahoma tried to bluff its power, and when Texas said it wasn't coming with the Sooners without its LHN, the PAC-12 wasn't interested in the Sooners (and Cowboys) any longer. Let's also not forget a big factor in all this was Texas Tech, and to a lesser extent, OSU. The PAC wanted Texas, OU, KU and MU and might have settled for Texas, OU, OSU and either KU or MU. There's much more at play here than the article's intention.

The reality in 2011 on planet Earth is that only a few institutions of higher learning in the country can have their own TV Network. Notre Dame football was the first in a sense, and remains the only college football national showcase on NBC. Out in Utah, BYU has the money and capability to draw interest because of the Mormon faith, and it’s legion of constituents nationwide. However, most in America don’t know the Cougar’s network even exists. And what do Notre Dame and BYU have in common? Oh yeah, they’re independents in FBS college football, and Texas isn’t.

Potentially schools like USC, Ohio State or Florida could create their own television conglomerate, but not many others could. It’s all based upon success on the field, large markets within the existing fan base, and the ability to raise capital through advertising. So Dodds isn’t being genuine when he says, “anybody can have one.” Just drive across the Red River and ask Bob Stoops and Joe Castiglione, because right now, they don’t.

But, the reality is also that nothing about the Big XII setup indicates that a network must be a single school entity. There's absolutely no reason the remaining schools couldn't form a network. There's no reason the old Big 8 schools couldn't form a network. There's no reason ISU, MU, KU and KSU couldn't form a network. The truth is, everyone else is jealous because Texas is big enough to not have to include anyone else. Why let jealousy be the self limitation other schools could place in cooperation?

Texas doesn't view this network as a "sports only" venue for them. I know that is the aspect that gets promoted the most, but there are other reasons Texas doesn't want to part with it. Quit focusing on the stupid LHN, its the focus that is creating the acrimony, not the network itself. Even the article points out that very few households outside of Texas are actually going to get it, let alone watch it. If there is an actual competitive disadvantage regarding an aspect of it, fine, let's address that, but everything else is envy.

beer bacon
09-24-2011, 01:11 PM
I think it is great Texas got rejected by the PAC.

Infidel Goat
09-24-2011, 01:21 PM
If I were the Pac-12 and thought future expansion was the best idea, I'd probably go ahead and offer to KU and MU.

After that, I'd give UT and OU a chance to join. If they say no, I'd go to BYU and possibly Boise State.

NO OSU. No Texas Tech. No LHN. No KSU. Sorry, but if I'm the Pac-12, I'm splitting people up...

|Zach|
09-24-2011, 01:33 PM
If I were the Pac-12 and thought future expansion was the best idea, I'd probably go ahead and offer to KU and MU.

After that, I'd give UT and OU a chance to join. If they say no, I'd go to BYU and possibly Boise State.

NO OSU. No Texas Tech. No LHN. No KSU. Sorry, but if I'm the Pac-12, I'm splitting people up...

Of course you would.

Discuss Thrower
09-24-2011, 01:38 PM
Of course you would.

Well I guess for however improbable it would be, it makes some sense. You improve PAC's basketball rep with KU and Mizzou to a lesser extent while adding a good program in Mizzou and one that can succeed in KU if they have the right Hutt -errr Mangino at HC.

notorious
09-24-2011, 01:39 PM
Isn't it obvious through all of this that nobody gives a fuck about basketball when it comes to conference alignment?

|Zach|
09-24-2011, 01:40 PM
Well I guess for however improbable it would be, it makes some sense. You improve PAC's basketball rep with KU and Mizzou to a lesser extent while adding a good program in Mizzou and one that can succeed in KU if they have the right Hutt -errr Mangino at HC.

Nobody cares.

Discuss Thrower
09-24-2011, 01:42 PM
I know that. I'm saying an MU/KU add to the Pac12 wouldn't be too horrible all things considered.

alnorth
09-24-2011, 02:13 PM
Isn't it obvious through all of this that nobody gives a **** about basketball when it comes to conference alignment?

It is less important, not irrelevant, and the PAC 12's options are extremely limited. If they had the guts to tell OU/UT to drop their little brothers, then they would absolutely want Texas, OU, KU, and MU

tk13
09-24-2011, 02:25 PM
It is less important, not irrelevant, and the PAC 12's options are extremely limited. If they had the guts to tell OU/UT to drop their little brothers, then they would absolutely want Texas, OU, KU, and MU

I think the 2nd part of your post is probably correct... although largely due to academics, not athletics. Kansas University fans are the only people in the entire world anywhere I've seen saying basketball has any relevance in any of this. I don't understand it, and my favorite college sports event is definitely March Madness. But it's just not realistic, I don't know why people think that. Even on ESPN the other day, Andy Katz said this is all about football, and he's their big basketball writer.

BWillie
09-24-2011, 02:25 PM
I think it is great Texas got rejected by the PAC.

Make no mistake, the Pac 12 would be thrilled to get Texas, OU even if that meant OSU and Tech coming with. They couldn't get them to absorb the LHN and agree to terms with revenue sharing. The Pac deciding they aren't going to expand is really kind of funny, it's more or less that Texas doesn't want to come and share revenue, same with Oklahoma. If they HAVE to share revenue, even if the tier 1 and tier 2 then why not stay in the Big 12..as you have seen.

BWillie
09-24-2011, 02:27 PM
It is less important, not irrelevant, and the PAC 12's options are extremely limited. If they had the guts to tell OU/UT to drop their little brothers, then they would absolutely want Texas, OU, KU, and MU

I doubt it. Kansas barely turns a profit in football. I just looked up basketball and football revenue figures and KU is third to last in division 1 football profits. Revenue isn't all that much either.

If I was Pac 10, I'd want Oklahoma State over KU. Decent at football, Top 20 program in basketball. Throughout this I never thought of Oklahoma State as being the little brother of Oklahoma the same way K-State is to KU. OSU IMO is a legitimate school with a legitimate athletic program.

Bambi
09-24-2011, 02:37 PM
Nobody cares.

You're right.

Those football powerhouses that were gobbled up by conferences last week; Syracuse and Pitt, are sure having some great showings today.

LMAO

|Zach|
09-24-2011, 02:39 PM
You're right.

Those football powerhouses that were gobbled up by conferences last week; Syracuse and Pitt, are sure having some great showings today.

LMAO

It isn't my fault you can't see the big picture.

Bambi
09-24-2011, 02:39 PM
Well, duh. I realize the money and if they went to a different conference they would lose a little bit. They wouldn't be poor though if they went to the ACC or Big 12 though. Just too may traditional rivalries for them to leave and obviously the $. If they came to the Big 12 though they could start their own network and get tier 3 money.

BTW, where did you get that list? Crazy to think that Iowa's football team is virtually as profitable as Ohio States.

This list that keeps getting posted is really just ticket sales from what I can tell. The biggest stadiums are all at the top.

Not including TV deals, merchandise etc that create revenue outside of ticket sales.

That's why the bball school numbers appear so low.

It's just cherry picking, but who really cares at this point.

Why else would a school like Iowa be listed alongside Ohio State.

In reality the schools aren't even close in value.

Bambi
09-24-2011, 02:40 PM
It isn't my fault you can't see the big picture.

eh, when the football powerhouse Missouri gets invited to another conference then I'll believe you.

You've been wrong from the beginning.

It's actually quite pathetic to watch at this point.

Bambi
09-24-2011, 02:42 PM
I doubt it. Kansas barely turns a profit in football. I just looked up basketball and football revenue figures and KU is third to last in division 1 football profits. Revenue isn't all that much either.

If I was Pac 10, I'd want Oklahoma State over KU. Decent at football, Top 20 program in basketball. Throughout this I never thought of Oklahoma State as being the little brother of Oklahoma the same way K-State is to KU. OSU IMO is a legitimate school with a legitimate athletic program.

Yet Kansas has the 2nd largest endowment and the 2nd largest 3rd tier TV deal in the Big 12 behind Texas.

I wonder why that is??

|Zach|
09-24-2011, 02:42 PM
eh, when the football powerhouse Missouri gets invited to another conference then I'll believe you.

You've been wrong from the beginning.

It's actually quite pathetic to watch at this point.

Actually you were the one who thought it was silly talk that A&M was going to leave and to call you when they actually do. I've made no grand claims. Just watched you spin spin spin.

|Zach|
09-24-2011, 02:43 PM
This list that keeps getting posted is really just ticket sales from what I can tell. The biggest stadiums are all at the top.

Not including TV deals, merchandise etc that create revenue outside of ticket sales.

That's why the bball school numbers appear so low.

It's just cherry picking, but who really cares at this point.

So, that doesn't include football merchandise either? Oh shit.

BWillie
09-24-2011, 02:45 PM
This list that keeps getting posted is really just ticket sales from what I can tell. The biggest stadiums are all at the top.

Not including TV deals, merchandise etc that create revenue outside of ticket sales.

That's why the bball school numbers appear so low.

It's just cherry picking, but who really cares at this point.

Why else would a school like Iowa be listed alongside Ohio State.

In reality the schools aren't even close in value.

Pretty sure that list is total revenue including TV revenue, because if it wasn't, there is no way in hell the Big 10 basketball schools would be ahead of Kansas. But most of the Big 10 basketball revenues are actually higher than Kansas. The only thing I don't think it takes into account is the Williams Fund. A large majority of the ticket revenue is not actually on that list and is privately accounted for from what I am told. Don't know many other schools that do it that way except UNC.

You are correct about the 3rd tier network Kansas has. I'm astounded it's worth as much as it is televising shitty games against Fort Hayes State.

tk13
09-24-2011, 02:45 PM
I doubt it. Kansas barely turns a profit in football. I just looked up basketball and football revenue figures and KU is third to last in division 1 football profits. Revenue isn't all that much either.

If I was Pac 10, I'd want Oklahoma State over KU. Decent at football, Top 20 program in basketball. Throughout this I never thought of Oklahoma State as being the little brother of Oklahoma the same way K-State is to KU. OSU IMO is a legitimate school with a legitimate athletic program.

OSU also has T. Boone, which most schools don't have. Although I can believe some of the Pac 12 schools like Stanford do care about the academic side of it, which hurts OSU and Texas Tech. I also think all of the fans of California teams would probably rather light themselves on fire than make conference road trips to Lubbock, TX.

Bambi
09-24-2011, 02:48 PM
Pretty sure that list is total revenue including TV revenue, because if it wasn't, there is no way in hell the Big 10 basketball schools would be ahead of Kansas. But most of the Big 10 basketball revenues are actually higher than Kansas. The only thing I don't think it takes into account is the Williams Fund. A large majority of the ticket revenue is not actually on that list and is privately accounted for from what I am told. Don't know many other schools that do it that way except UNC.

You are correct about the 3rd tier network Kansas has. I'm astounded it's worth as much as it is televising shitty games against Fort Hayes State.

I searched that site for the source of their numbers.

I can't find it so who knows what those numbers actually are from.

Bambi
09-24-2011, 02:50 PM
So, that doesn't include football merchandise either? Oh shit.

I don't know what it includes.

It's a list created by a hot blonde girl who doesn't site any of her sources.

So who knows

|Zach|
09-24-2011, 03:05 PM
I don't know what it includes.

It's a list created by a hot blonde girl who doesn't site any of her sources.

So who knows

False.

The data in these charts is from reports filed by each school with the U.S. Department of Education

Guru
09-24-2011, 03:08 PM
I see that there is no new information here. oh well

Bambi
09-24-2011, 03:23 PM
I see that there is no new information here. oh well

Its over. Everyone is stuck together as they should be. :)

LiveSteam
09-24-2011, 03:24 PM
Its over. Everyone is stuck together as they should be. :)

Who is everyone? OU & UT

Bambi
09-24-2011, 03:26 PM
Who is everyone? OU & UT

I'm more concerned with the traditions of KU-MU-KSU

But sure. Throw the Sooners and Stacey King in there too!

LiveSteam
09-24-2011, 03:29 PM
Hey KSU just ran an option into the end zone. God I hope they take it to THE FUCKING U

KcMizzou
09-24-2011, 03:30 PM
A little confirmation on MU and the SEC

By Mike DeArmond - Posted on 24 September 2011

I am not big on looking to other reporters to re-confirm what I have already reported as true. But for all those who insist that the Missouri-SEC connection is a fabrication.

Tony Barnhart of CBS (and Mr. SEC to most folk) just said on national TV that Missouri needed to make up its mind about the SEC.

You cannot make up your mind on a offer that has not been made, informal or otherwise.

The interest from the SEC to make Missouri SEC No. 14 is there.

Will Missouri end up in the SEC? Should it?

My personal opinion is that if Missouri and the other non-University of Texas schools in the Big 12 can legislate or initiate change in the Big 12, then staying in the Big 12 makes the most sense for Mizzou.

Think of it this way:

1. Forget the Longhorn Network's cash payout to Texas. Nothing you can do about it but you can legislate what they are able to NOT show on it.

2. For the first time in history, the other eight Big 12 schools actually vote as a block and after grandfathering in the LHN, rewrite conference bylaws to legislate totally even revenue distribution on everything else from this day forward.

If Missouri cannot get that within the next two weeks, then go ahead and take the SEC offer, whether informal or formal.

Four hours to game time in Oklahoma.
And I for one am looking forward to covering a game.

Read more: http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2078#ixzz1YuaezPdh


http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2078

BWillie
09-24-2011, 03:42 PM
I searched that site for the source of their numbers.

I can't find it so who knows what those numbers actually are from.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/

Bambi
09-24-2011, 03:47 PM
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/06/20/which-football-and-basketball-programs-produce-the-largest-profits/

No I see that but they don't link it to any real site with data. Most meaningful being what comprises these numbers?

Tickets
Merchandise
TV Deals
Concessions
Donations (Williams Fund)
Adjust for regional inflation?

I'm just curious.

WilliamTheIrish
09-24-2011, 03:57 PM
Boys, boys... Let's stay focused here. It's Saturday. Enjoy the games.

LiveSteam
09-24-2011, 04:08 PM
Man aTm looks good. Look out SEC

sedated
09-24-2011, 06:24 PM
To sum up the sideline reporter, atm's inferiority complex is so inflamed that they will continue to turn their back on tradition, money, and identity, just to get out of texas' shadow.

F**k them. Glad they lost to the new Big 12.

Bambi
09-24-2011, 06:26 PM
To sum up the sideline reporter, atm's inferiority complex is so inflamed that they will continue to turn their back on tradition, money, and identity, just to get out of texas' shadow.

F**k them. Glad they lost to the new Big 12.

A&M is just sad now....really sad

Saulbadguy
09-24-2011, 06:27 PM
To sum up the sideline reporter, atm's inferiority complex is so inflamed that they will continue to turn their back on tradition, money, and identity, just to get out of texas' shadow.

F**k them. Glad they lost to the new Big 12.

Yep. Fuck 'em.

WilliamTheIrish
09-24-2011, 06:54 PM
Never heard of aTm.

Who?

HolyHandgernade
09-24-2011, 07:29 PM
Congrats you purple kittens, impressive road win against Miami!

jAZ
09-24-2011, 08:22 PM
Never heard of aTm.

Who?

TA&M

BryanBusby
09-24-2011, 08:45 PM
Never heard of aTm.

Who?

Never heard of ass to mouth? What a shame.

kcfan82
09-24-2011, 09:55 PM
Just think, if Missouri goes to the SEC it will be like playing Oklahoma almost every week.

Good luck

Pitt Gorilla
09-24-2011, 10:01 PM
Just think, if Missouri goes to the SEC it will be like playing Oklahoma almost every week.

Good luckI'll take it!

|Zach|
09-24-2011, 11:14 PM
Just think, if Missouri goes to the SEC it will be like playing Oklahoma almost every week.

Good luck

This silly and untrue statement aside Missouri is 4-1 against the SEC since 2000.

KcMizzou
09-24-2011, 11:15 PM
I'll take it!Me too.

Mosbonian
09-25-2011, 12:12 AM
Same here...it only makes us better. And quite frankly I think we would do better than most people here want to admit.

DaKCMan AP
09-25-2011, 08:55 AM
Wave bye-bye to Aggies; All in for SEC

Posted on: September 24, 2011 5:54 pm

COLLEGE STATION, Texas -- Consider the Aggies departed to the SEC.

Texas A&M president R. Bowden Loftin told CBSSports.com Saturday he expects the Aggies to be in the SEC "shortly". After joining a Big12 presidents' conference call this week, Loftin said the Big 12 is committed to going forward "without us."

"I think the legal issues are basically gone," said Loftin speaking at halftime of the Oklahoma State-A&M game.

He was referring to four Big 12 schools that retained their rights to possibly sue the SEC if A&M leaves. Baylor had been heading up that effort since early September when former commissioner Dan Beebe wrote SEC commissioner Mike Slive that all hurdles had been cleared for A&M to join the SEC.

A&M could be playing its first game as an SEC member (actual membership begins July 1) next Saturday against Arkansas in Arlington, Texas.

"Look at what’s happened this past week," Loftin said. "The action on Tuesday night by the Pac-12 has led to the Big 12, minus us, being in place. I joined the teleconference on Thursday evening of the Big 12 directors. They were firmly committed to going forward without us with nine teams."

CBSSports.com reported earlier Saturday that Texas A&M officials considered the SEC membership to be resolved quickly. Loftin was asked directly if he expects A&M to be in the SEC by next Saturday.

"I expect to be in the SEC soon," he said.

Loftin said he would listen to a plea from interim commissioner Chuck Neinas to keep the Aggies in the Big 12, but didn't sound hopeful.

“He’s an icon in our world, you know that," Loftin said "I’d be willing to talk to Chuck anytime he wants to be talk to me. But we’ve made a very firm decision about our future here and we’re going to stick with it. What more can I say?"

On Friday, Neinas said he would try to contact A&M but considered them gone to the SEC. He also said he expects Missouri to stay in the Big 12.

Loftin spoke exclusively to CBSSports.com and the Dallas Morning News.

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32219659

Bambi
09-25-2011, 09:51 AM
http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32219659

After yesterdays game I say take em. What a shit team. lol

eazyb81
09-25-2011, 09:55 AM
After yesterdays game I say take em. What a shit team. lol

LMAO, that shit team would curbstomp your guys. You are the most clueless troll on the board.

DaKCMan AP
09-25-2011, 09:58 AM
LMAO, that shit team would curbstomp your guys. You are the most clueless troll on the board.

Seriously. A KU fan talking crap on a (as of yesterday) top-10 tean. LMAO

Bambi
09-25-2011, 11:41 AM
LMAO, that shit team would curbstomp your guys. You are the most clueless troll on the board.

what?

I don't hear KU talking any shit.

They are a couple years from getting back to the BCS. Everyone knows that.

Bambi
09-25-2011, 11:44 AM
Seriously. A KU fan talking crap on a (as of yesterday) top-10 tean. LMAO

Eh, your conference is taking in a sub par football program.

3-12 in the last 20 years in bowl games...

Stellar.

DaKCMan AP
09-25-2011, 11:46 AM
Eh, your conference is taking in a sub par football program.

3-12 in the last 20 years in bowl games...

Stellar.

A program that will get better in a stronger conference not containing UT.

alnorth
09-25-2011, 01:07 PM
A program that will get better in a stronger conference not containing UT.

I'm not convinced this is the case. We'll see how they look 6 or 7 years from now. This is all my hunch and opinion, not based on any scientific study. Anyway, my impression is:

Kids in the deep south and FL either stay in the deep south and FL or they want to go far away to CA or something. They don't often go to Texas. Kids in Texas either go to UT/OU, or they go to a Big 12 team with a chip on their shoulder to play against OU/UT. To a much lesser extent, some might grow up wanting to be Aggies, but Texas A&M wont be able to tap into that "I'll show those damned longhorns that they made a mistake" recruiting line anymore, now they play against deep south teams they never cared about, other than maybe Florida.

I wouldn't be surprised if by 2019 or so, Texas A&M sinks into an unremarkable football program. Not necessarily bad like Vandy or Kentucky, but not all that good either.

For all those issues, I do believe Texas A&M has a better chance to succeed in spite of all that than Mizzou, because at least they are in Texas and the pool may still be big enough without the UT rivalry. Missouri relies very heavily on Texas for their success. I don't see how the hell Missouri recruits in Texas if they are not in a conference with Texas, and no one worth a damn from, say Alabama and Mississippi wants to play in Missouri.

kstater
09-25-2011, 01:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if by 2019 or so, Texas A&M sinks into an unremarkable football program. Not necessarily bad like Vandy or Kentucky, but not all that good either.



So about what they are now and what they've been? Let's not act like A&M has ever been great at football.

tk13
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
I'm not convinced this is the case. We'll see how they look 6 or 7 years from now. This is all my hunch and opinion, not based on any scientific study. Anyway, my impression is:

Kids in the deep south and FL either stay in the deep south and FL or they want to go far away to CA or something. They don't often go to Texas. Kids in Texas either go to UT/OU, or they go to a Big 12 team with a chip on their shoulder to play against OU/UT. To a much lesser extent, some might grow up wanting to be Aggies, but Texas A&M wont be able to tap into that "I'll show those damned longhorns that they made a mistake" recruiting line anymore, now they play against deep south teams they never cared about, other than maybe Florida.

I wouldn't be surprised if by 2019 or so, Texas A&M sinks into an unremarkable football program. Not necessarily bad like Vandy or Kentucky, but not all that good either.

For all those issues, I do believe Texas A&M has a better chance to succeed in spite of all that than Mizzou, because at least they are in Texas and the pool may still be big enough without the UT rivalry. Missouri relies very heavily on Texas for their success. I don't see how the hell Missouri recruits in Texas if they are not in a conference with Texas, and no one worth a damn from, say Alabama and Mississippi wants to play in Missouri.

You guys are basically grasping at straws at this point. If they were going to the Big East, that probably would have a lot of merit. But I can't get into the arguments from the other conferences that going to the SEC is going to hurt someone's recruiting. All they have to say is "the SEC sends more players to the NFL than any other conference." Blammo. I'm sure they might lose a kid here and there that really wants to play a lot of games in Texas, but it's not like elite high school kids are going to say "Pssht, I'm too good for the SEC."

alnorth
09-25-2011, 01:20 PM
If I'm a Texas legislator representing College Station, I'd start lobbying my colleagues to pass a bill requiring UT and TA&M to play each other every year in football and basketball, just like they do in Iowa.

alnorth
09-25-2011, 01:26 PM
All they have to say is "the SEC sends more players to the NFL than any other conference."

That line doesn't work now because the SEC doesn't recruit well in Texas.

Texas A&M isn't going to open that door for them, and to the extent that a random odd Texas kid wants to play in the SEC, I believe that Mizzou would be pretty far down the list. The Tigers probably won't ever suck for a prolonged period of time because Missouri is a very large state with only one in-state BCS school, but it will be a little more difficult.

DaKCMan AP
09-25-2011, 02:04 PM
That line doesn't work now because the SEC doesn't recruit well in Texas.

Texas A&M isn't going to open that door for them, and to the extent that a random odd Texas kid wants to play in the SEC, I believe that Mizzou would be pretty far down the list. The Tigers probably won't ever suck for a prolonged period of time because Missouri is a very large state with only one in-state BCS school, but it will be a little more difficult.

Yes it will. They'll be able to say you can come play in the best conference, have the highest chance of getting drafted into the NFL, and now you'll have your games televised in Texas and get to play there in front of friends and family.

Chocolate Hog
09-25-2011, 02:46 PM
If I'm a Texas legislator representing College Station, I'd start lobbying my colleagues to pass a bill requiring UT and TA&M to play each other every year in football and basketball, just like they do in Iowa.

Good thing you just play a know it all on the internet.

RustShack
09-25-2011, 03:13 PM
That line doesn't work now because the SEC doesn't recruit well in Texas.

Texas A&M isn't going to open that door for them, and to the extent that a random odd Texas kid wants to play in the SEC, I believe that Mizzou would be pretty far down the list. The Tigers probably won't ever suck for a prolonged period of time because Missouri is a very large state with only one in-state BCS school, but it will be a little more difficult.

LMAO

eazyb81
09-25-2011, 03:42 PM
Looks like A&M to the SEC is now official or will be official shortly. Hopefully Mizzou makes a decision this week and we can all move forward.

@billyliucci
Billy Liucci
A&M to SEC? Sounds like the official announcement is (finally) coming today.

@billyliucci
Billy Liucci
A&M is now a member of THE nation's most prestigious and dominant league: The Southeastern Conference. A defining moment in Aggie history

mnchiefsguy
09-25-2011, 03:43 PM
what?

I don't hear KU talking any shit.

They are a couple years from getting back to the BCS. Everyone knows that.

This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. KU a couple of years from the BCS? That is a full retard statement if I have ever heard one.

Bambi
09-25-2011, 10:16 PM
This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. KU a couple of years from the BCS? That is a full retard statement if I have ever heard one.

huh?

They were winning in the BCS less than 5 years ago.

Why can't they go win it again?

Frazod
09-25-2011, 10:32 PM
huh?

They were winning in the BCS less than 5 years ago.

Why can't they go win it again?

Because there will NEVER AGAIN be a season where KU won't play Oklahoma and Texas.

Probably won't help that you idiots ran the coach and AD who oversaw it out of town, either.

Other than that, sure, print 'em. LMAO

|Zach|
09-25-2011, 10:41 PM
Rockhurst has a better defense then Kansas.

4th and Long
09-25-2011, 10:43 PM
Rockhurst has a better defense then Kansas.
You just wait until basketball season gets here, mister! :cuss:

Braincase
09-26-2011, 06:24 AM
Had a nice conversation with someone high in KU's AD yesterday. KU is going to remain loyal to the Big 12. It's the best thing for all of the schools in the conference. Kansas will probably be the most active in trying to keep this conference together. Expansion isn't just possible, it's very likely.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 06:45 AM
Longhorn Network pushing ahead with high school highlights

After getting clearance from the NCAA in August, the Longhorn Network is pushing forward with its desire to show highlights, scores or statistics from high school football games… Dave Brown, LHN vice president for programming and acquisitions, has made a pitch to four Texas television affiliates in Austin, San Antonio, Dallas and Houston, offering to trade two-minute, LHN-produced clips in exchange for the station’s high school football game highlights. LHN sent out a clip of Longhorns quarterback Garrett Gilbert as a leader, after he was benched. ESPN said Houston station KTRK agreed, but San Antonio’s KSAT turned down the LHN offer. “We were really insulted that (the Longhorn Network might think) we’d just roll over for them.”

- from Austin American-Statesman

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 06:57 AM
Longhorn Network pushing ahead with high school highlights

After getting clearance from the NCAA in August, the Longhorn Network is pushing forward with its desire to show highlights, scores or statistics from high school football games… Dave Brown, LHN vice president for programming and acquisitions, has made a pitch to four Texas television affiliates in Austin, San Antonio, Dallas and Houston, offering to trade two-minute, LHN-produced clips in exchange for the station’s high school football game highlights. LHN sent out a clip of Longhorns quarterback Garrett Gilbert as a leader, after he was benched. ESPN said Houston station KTRK agreed, but San Antonio’s KSAT turned down the LHN offer. “We were really insulted that (the Longhorn Network might think) we’d just roll over for them.”

- from Austin American-Statesman


How does the NCAA give clearance for this? Teams can't mention a recruits name over the PA system on an official visit when the stadium is empty, but UT can show highlights of those players on TV with commentary? BS.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 08:04 AM
Chip Brown staying on top of the situation like always.


ChipBrownOB Chip Brown

Sources tell Orangebloods.com the # SEC and Missouri are still in contact. B12 won't stabilize until Mizzou states its future plans.

notorious
09-26-2011, 08:10 AM
huh?

They were winning in the BCS less than 5 years ago.

Why can't they go win it again?

Wow.

Just wow.

Saul Good
09-26-2011, 08:20 AM
huh?

They were winning in the BCS less than 5 years ago.

Why can't they go win it again?

Amy Winehouse just had a hit song around that same time. No reason she won't be topping the charts again soon.

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 08:20 AM
Louisville has been invited.

Saul Good
09-26-2011, 08:23 AM
Had a nice conversation with someone high in KU's AD yesterday. KU is going to remain loyal to the Big 12. It's the best thing for all of the schools in the conference. Kansas will probably be the most active in trying to keep this conference together. Expansion isn't just possible, it's very likely.

Why is it that only KU, KSU, and ISU fans all seem to think that the Big XII is best for all of the schools?

Frazod
09-26-2011, 09:22 AM
How does the NCAA give clearance for this? Teams can't mention a recruits name over the PA system on an official visit when the stadium is empty, but UT can show highlights of those players on TV with commentary? BS.

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Oh wait, this is Texas. I meant to say

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Bambi
09-26-2011, 09:32 AM
Louisville has been invited.

Perfect addition to the league if this is true. I've been saying they're the best addition possible at this point.

Pitino in the league? Hell yes

Bambi
09-26-2011, 09:33 AM
Why is it that only KU, KSU, and ISU fans all seem to think that the Big XII is best for all of the schools?

We watched the MU-OU game on Saturday.

Frazod
09-26-2011, 09:46 AM
We watched the MU-OU game on Saturday.

And what did you take from that?

Oklahoma will beat you by seven touchdowns.

Perhaps Missouri will only beat you by five or six?

I guess neg repping you at this point would be like shooting a 100-year-dead corpse, but your fucktard is swelling out of control again.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 09:57 AM
And what did you take from that?

Oklahoma will beat you by seven touchdowns.

Perhaps Missouri will only beat you by five or six?

I guess neg repping you at this point would be like shooting a 100-year-dead corpse, but your ****tard is swelling out of control again.

Just answering the question.

Why are you so bitter all the time? Can't you just post like a normal person?

Oklahoma is nowhere near as good as the top SEC teams as we can now see. Plus they were without an NFL wide out and they still beat MU rather easily.

Of course they will be favored over Kansas...no one brought that team into the discussion.

We could just have a thread where no one states their opinions and all the MU fans chant for moving to the SEC. But I don't think anyone is interested in that.

Superturtle
09-26-2011, 10:04 AM
And what did you take from that?

Oklahoma will beat you by seven touchdowns.

Perhaps Missouri will only beat you by five or six?

I guess neg repping you at this point would be like shooting a 100-year-dead corpse, but your fucktard is swelling out of control again.
LOL Neg Repping him =


http://i.pbase.com/o2/25/583725/1/106242356.zeMh4EiE.beatingadeadhorse.gif

Chocolate Hog
09-26-2011, 10:11 AM
Just answering the question.

Why are you so bitter all the time? Can't you just post like a normal person?

Oklahoma is nowhere near as good as the top SEC teams as we can now see. Plus they were without an NFL wide out and they still beat MU rather easily.

Of course they will be favored over Kansas...no one brought that team into the discussion.

We could just have a thread where no one states their opinions and all the MU fans chant for moving to the SEC. But I don't think anyone is interested in that.


Is there any Big 12 that KU can stay within 10 points of?

Mr. Plow
09-26-2011, 10:11 AM
Amy Winehouse just had a hit song around that same time. No reason she won't be topping the charts again soon.

LMAO

Frazod
09-26-2011, 10:26 AM
Just answering the question.

Why are you so bitter all the time? Can't you just post like a normal person?

Oklahoma is nowhere near as good as the top SEC teams as we can now see. Plus they were without an NFL wide out and they still beat MU rather easily.

Of course they will be favored over Kansas...no one brought that team into the discussion.

We could just have a thread where no one states their opinions and all the MU fans chant for moving to the SEC. But I don't think anyone is interested in that.

Calling you out for being a moron doesn't make me or anyone else bitter. It's like saying ice is cold, or water is wet, or fire is hot.

Also, "beat rather easily" isn't a 10 point win at home. "Beating easily" would be more akin to the game Georgia Tech had against KU. Hopefully this will clear up the concept of getting beat easily for you.

Any other simple concepts I can explain to you? I'm here to help.

HolyHandgernade
09-26-2011, 11:00 AM
I sure hope Missouri stays and the Louisville rumor is true. Louisville is a name brand, even if it is in basketball, I believe it is one of the top three most valuable basketball programs in the nation. The football is competitive even if it will be in the lower part of the Big XII. Good geographic fit, expands the footprint and a passionate fan base in a large city.

I do believe the Big XII will stop there for a few years and then consider expansion before they renegotiate their 1st Tier deal in 2016. I think they should stay in the south if they do and look seriously at Southern Florida and Central Florida. Open up a new market on a football rich state. Those two schools already hate each other, so we would be bringing in another good rivalry.

How long before you Tiggers decide what is best for you?

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 11:04 AM
Word is we could have a Board of Curators meeting on Friday to make a decision after hearing what is said on Thursday's Big 12 meeting.

@sptwri
Mike DeArmond Expect a curators meeting this week at Mizzou. Nothing official yet. But there is talk out there.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 11:07 AM
Calling you out for being a moron doesn't make me or anyone else bitter. It's like saying ice is cold, or water is wet, or fire is hot.

Also, "beat rather easily" isn't a 10 point win at home. "Beating easily" would be more akin to the game Georgia Tech had against KU. Hopefully this will clear up the concept of getting beat easily for you.

Any other simple concepts I can explain to you? I'm here to help.

Just answering the question.

alnorth
09-26-2011, 11:10 AM
Yes it will. They'll be able to say you can come play in the best conference, have the highest chance of getting drafted into the NFL, and now you'll have your games televised in Texas and get to play there in front of friends and family.

If they wanted to "play in the best conference, have the highest chance of getting drafted into the NFL", they would have. They aren't. LSU and Arkansas get a small handful just due to proximity. Their games are already televised and they already get to play in front of friends and family (they'd actually do that more often with 3 Texas schools in conference rather than just one).

The "SEC is the NFL bullet train!!!" argument has not worked. Big 12 out-recruits everyone because Texas kids want to either play for Texas/OU, or against them. Texas A&M won't change things. Good Texas players are not going to be saying "damn those Aggies for not giving me a scholarship, I'ma goin' to go to Columbia!"

alnorth
09-26-2011, 11:23 AM
Louisville has been invited.

I'm gonna need to hear someone other than Greg Swaim reporting it. Not that I wouldn't be OK with UL, Cinci, and BYU, and maybe he's good at recruiting news, but this guy has just gotten too many things wrong on conference realignment, to the point where he's at non-credible rumor status.

duncan_idaho
09-26-2011, 11:24 AM
If they wanted to "play in the best conference, have the highest chance of getting drafted into the NFL", they would have. They aren't. LSU and Arkansas get a small handful just due to proximity. Their games are already televised and they already get to play in front of friends and family (they'd actually do that more often with 3 Texas schools in conference rather than just one).

The "SEC is the NFL bullet train!!!" argument has not worked. Big 12 out-recruits everyone because Texas kids want to either play for Texas/OU, or against them. Texas A&M won't change things. Good Texas players are not going to be saying "damn those Aggies for not giving me a scholarship, I'ma goin' to go to Columbia!"

I agree heartily with this. Texas A&M is going to have to fight pretty hard to maintain its current Texas recruiting.

Missouri would have an even harder time continuing it's recruiting success at the same level in Texas if it moved to the SEC. Which is one reason I strenuously oppose the move. Right now, Missouri beats oSu, Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, kansas, Arkansas pretty consistently for Texas kids. If Missouri left and the Big 12 stayed together, oSu, Tech and Baylor win many more of those battles.

The SEC is a lot of things in football, but it isn't recruiting magic.

Recruiting Texas kids to the SEC while the Big 12 exists has not been easy for Arkansas, LSU, Auburn, etc. It would not be easy for Mizzou.

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 11:28 AM
I'm gonna need to hear someone other than Greg Swaim reporting it. Not that I wouldn't be OK with UL, Cinci, and BYU, and maybe he's good at recruiting news, but this guy has just gotten too many things wrong on conference realignment, to the point where he's at non-credible rumor status.

Yep, he grabs a shovel and just keeps on digging.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm gonna need to hear someone other than Greg Swaim reporting it. Not that I wouldn't be OK with UL, Cinci, and BYU, and maybe he's good at recruiting news, but this guy has just gotten too many things wrong on conference realignment, to the point where he's at non-credible rumor status.

Yep. As we've discussed before so much of this "twitter" reporting is really hurting some of these guys.

Just look at Eric Blumberg.

kstater
09-26-2011, 11:47 AM
Is there any Big 12 that KU can stay within 10 points of?

Texas Tech is probably their best bet at this point.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 11:51 AM
If they wanted to "play in the best conference, have the highest chance of getting drafted into the NFL", they would have. They aren't. LSU and Arkansas get a small handful just due to proximity. Their games are already televised and they already get to play in front of friends and family (they'd actually do that more often with 3 Texas schools in conference rather than just one).

The "SEC is the NFL bullet train!!!" argument has not worked. Big 12 out-recruits everyone because Texas kids want to either play for Texas/OU, or against them. Texas A&M won't change things. Good Texas players are not going to be saying "damn those Aggies for not giving me a scholarship, I'ma goin' to go to Columbia!"

I agree heartily with this. Texas A&M is going to have to fight pretty hard to maintain its current Texas recruiting.

Missouri would have an even harder time continuing it's recruiting success at the same level in Texas if it moved to the SEC. Which is one reason I strenuously oppose the move. Right now, Missouri beats oSu, Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, kansas, Arkansas pretty consistently for Texas kids. If Missouri left and the Big 12 stayed together, oSu, Tech and Baylor win many more of those battles.

The SEC is a lot of things in football, but it isn't recruiting magic.

Recruiting Texas kids to the SEC while the Big 12 exists has not been easy for Arkansas, LSU, Auburn, etc. It would not be easy for Mizzou.

I agree that Mizzou switching to the SEC will harm their Texas recruiting.

I vehemently disagree that TAMU moving to the SEC will hurt their recruiting and that it wont improve the rest of the SEC's recruiting in Texas.

Saul Good
09-26-2011, 11:54 AM
I'm gonna need to hear someone other than Greg Swaim reporting it. Not that I wouldn't be OK with UL, Cinci, and BYU, and maybe he's good at recruiting news, but this guy has just gotten too many things wrong on conference realignment, to the point where he's at non-credible rumor status.

The Big XII is reduced to luring city schools? Damn, do I ever want out of this shit-hole, has-been conference.

The Big XII is a dying mall that is trying to fill vacant storefronts with youth group meeting spaces.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 12:04 PM
The Big XII is reduced to luring city schools? Damn, do I ever want out of this shit-hole, has-been conference.

The Big XII is a dying mall that is trying to fill vacant storefronts with youth group meeting spaces.



I'd love to add Louisville, with their BCS win, Final Fours, and National Championships into the Big 12.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 12:07 PM
I'd love to add Louisville, with their BCS win, Final Fours, and National Championships into the Big 12.

A BCS win over Wake Forest in the 2007 Orange Bowl = LMAO

Frazod
09-26-2011, 12:08 PM
A BCS win over Wake Forest in the 2007 Orange Bowl = LMAO

You're forgetting who you just responded to.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 12:10 PM
You're forgetting who you just responded to.

I know. I shouldn't shake the dim light bulbs.

patteeu
09-26-2011, 12:10 PM
I agree that Mizzou switching to the SEC will harm their Texas recruiting.

I vehemently disagree that TAMU moving to the SEC will hurt their recruiting and that it wont improve the rest of the SEC's recruiting in Texas.

As long as the Big 12 stays together, I think you're wrong about TAMU, but you might be right about the rest of the SEC.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 12:10 PM
Big 12 will be dead within a decade. MU has to decide if they want to go to the SEC or B1G or staying with the sinking Big Texas conference.

Seems to be an easy decision to me.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 12:14 PM
The Big XII is reduced to luring city schools? Damn, do I ever want out of this shit-hole, has-been conference.

The Big XII is a dying mall that is trying to fill vacant storefronts with youth group meeting spaces.

The Big Texas should try & raid teams from the B1G or SEC area like Cincinnati, Louisville or UAB! I hear SMU is relevant again too. I think TCU is a no brainer for the Big Texas.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 12:23 PM
The Big XII is reduced to luring city schools? Damn, do I ever want out of this shit-hole, has-been conference.

The Big XII is a dying mall that is trying to fill vacant storefronts with youth group meeting spaces.

Yup, that's where I've ended up as I started looking at the available replacements.

To get to 12 will almost certainly require at least 2 city schools and to stay at 10 is simply not doable; this conference can't survive like that, IMO.

They clearly don't have the muscle to bring in a legitimate powerhouse like ND and they don't appear interested in a service academy.

Mostly the conference is screwed and MU needs to GTFO before it really implodes.

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 12:25 PM
The Big Texas should try & raid teams from the B1G or SEC area like Cincinnati, Louisville or UAB! I hear SMU is relevant again too. I think TCU is a no brainer for the Big Texas.

TCU adds very little value.

Reerun_KC
09-26-2011, 12:28 PM
Yup, that's where I've ended up as I started looking at the available replacements.

To get to 12 will almost certainly require at least 2 city schools and to stay at 10 is simply not doable; this conference can't survive like that, IMO.

They clearly don't have the muscle to bring in a legitimate powerhouse like ND and they don't appear interested in a service academy.

Mostly the conference is screwed and MU needs to GTFO before it really implodes.

This is what I want KU to do...

Pants
09-26-2011, 12:30 PM
This is what I want KU to do...

And I want to be a billionaire.

|Zach|
09-26-2011, 12:34 PM
And I want to be a billionaire.

...so frickin bad
Buy all of the things I never had
Uh, I wanna be on the cover of Forbes magazine
Smiling next to Oprah and the Queen

Wait what? Where am I.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 12:35 PM
TCU adds very little value.

Adds more than Louisville, IMO.

I think they could do an okay job salvaging this if they went with TCU, Air Force and BYU, but they won't. They're dragging their feet and those schools are likely to get snapped up before the XII decides to expand back to 12.

Look for 3 city schools, if you're lucky.

Or watch them just take one and try to hold at 10, which is just conference suicide, IMO. I understand the folks that try to say that 16 is too many (and it might be), but 10 is too few. I think you need that conference championship game.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 12:38 PM
Adds more than Louisville, IMO.

I think they could do an okay job salvaging this if they went with TCU, Air Force and BYU, but they won't. They're dragging their feet and those schools are likely to get snapped up before the XII decides to expand back to 12.

Look for 3 city schools, if you're lucky.

Or watch them just take one and try to hold at 10, which is just conference suicide, IMO. I understand the folks that try to say that 16 is too many (and it might be), but 10 is too few. I think you need that conference championship game.

I don't think adding 1-2 to get back to 10 is conference suicide if all the schools pledge their media rights as has been suggested. Adding schools to get back to 12 decreases each school's slice of the TV revenue, and I don't think the Big 12 is in position to bargain hard at the negotiation table right now for big new tier 1 and 2 deals.

Saul Good
09-26-2011, 12:40 PM
This is what I want KU to do...

Why would you want that? Haven't you seen all of the assurances that staying in the Big XII and adding Haskell, Friends University, and Sedalia State Fair College is best for all schools involved?

alnorth
09-26-2011, 12:42 PM
I don't think the Big 12 is in position to bargain hard at the negotiation table right now for big new tier 1 and 2 deals.

Their massive Tier 2 deal with Fox says you are wrong.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 12:44 PM
TCU > Louisville
TCU > BYU
TCU > Air Force
TCU > West Virginia

Pants
09-26-2011, 12:44 PM
Why would you want that? Haven't you seen all of the assurances that staying in the Big XII and adding Haskell, Friends University, and Sedalia State Fair College is best for all schools involved?

If it came down to signing all the schools' rights off to the Big12, I'd rather KU stay than go to any conference with the exception of the Big10. I don't identify with the culture of the SEC fan and would not want my school associated with it. I love the PAC-12 schools, but the geography is shitty as hell.

ChiefsCountry
09-26-2011, 12:44 PM
On the brightside a Big 12 North adding Louisville and Cincinnati would mean Mizzou could pretty much pencil in a trip to Dallas each year for the Big 12 Championship. Not to mention with Pinkel's ties to Ohio, could open a pipeline to Mizzou by playing in Cincinnati every other year.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 12:45 PM
I don't think adding 1-2 to get back to 10 is conference suicide if all the schools pledge their media rights as has been suggested. Adding schools to get back to 12 decreases each school's slice of the TV revenue, and I don't think the Big 12 is in position to bargain hard at the negotiation table right now for big new tier 1 and 2 deals.

Oh sure, it keeps the XII alive...for now.

But it's still just putting the conference on life dialysis rather than getting it a new kidney.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 12:47 PM
TCU > Louisville
TCU > BYU
TCU > Air Force
TCU > West Virginia

Reasoning?

ChiefsCountry
09-26-2011, 12:48 PM
Adds more than Louisville, IMO.

I think they could do an okay job salvaging this if they went with TCU, Air Force and BYU, but they won't. They're dragging their feet and those schools are likely to get snapped up before the XII decides to expand back to 12.

Louisville is a sleeping giant and a program that makes alot of money in both football and basketball. They also have stadium plans to get their stadium up to 70k as well.

Saul Good
09-26-2011, 12:49 PM
TCU > Louisville
TCU > BYU
TCU > Air Force
TCU > West Virginia

No, no, yes, no

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 12:51 PM
Louisville is a sleeping giant and a program that makes alot of money in both football and basketball. They also have stadium plans to get their stadium up to 70k as well.

Sleeping giant? LMAO

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 12:53 PM
This is what I want KU to do...

I'd love for both of us to move to the B1G together.

ChiefsCountry
09-26-2011, 12:53 PM
Sleeping giant? LMAO

With the resources they have, put them in the Big 12 with an actual coach. They would do very well.

Rooster
09-26-2011, 12:54 PM
Sleeping giant? LMAO

He got that from Lee Corso on ESPN Collega Game day. Almost word for word.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 12:55 PM
Reasoning?

Travel expenses
Recruiting
TV sets

Bambi
09-26-2011, 12:56 PM
On the brightside a Big 12 North adding Louisville and Cincinnati would mean Mizzou could pretty much pencil in a trip to Dallas each year for the Big 12 Championship. Not to mention with Pinkel's ties to Ohio, could open a pipeline to Mizzou by playing in Cincinnati every other year.

I'm not sure I'd "pencil it in", but you're right regarding the recruiting advantages.


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Saul Good
09-26-2011, 12:56 PM
Name 3 city schools that have had sustained success in the last quarter century.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 12:58 PM
If it came down to signing all the schools' rights off to the Big12, I'd rather KU stay than go to any conference with the exception of the Big10. I don't identify with the culture of the SEC fan and would not want my school associated with it. I love the PAC-12 schools, but the geography is shitty as hell.

Agreed. Regionally and competitively it's the only conference that makes sense but it's by far the best choice for Kansas to stay in the Big 12(10).

patteeu
09-26-2011, 01:02 PM
Name 3 city schools that have had sustained success in the last quarter century.

Does USC count as a city school?

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 01:03 PM
With the resources they have, put them in the Big 12 with an actual coach. They would do very well.

If they're struggling in the Big East, they're not going to "do very well" in the Big XII. They'll be behind OU, Texas, Mizzou, OSU, and probably even KSU and TTU. A move to the Big XII wont really help them in recruiting. They're in Big-10 country, if anything.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 01:06 PM
Travel expenses
Recruiting
TV sets

WVU gets better recruits and nearly 3x as many tv sets as TCU.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 01:08 PM
Their massive Tier 2 deal with Fox says you are wrong.

That "massive" LMAO tier 2 deal was with A&M and Mizzou in tow.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:10 PM
Name 3 city schools that have had sustained success in the last quarter century.

Columbus and Louisville are roughly the same size so if Louisville counts as a "city" then I would say Ohio State has had success.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:10 PM
Does USC count as a city school?

Only if UCLA does...

(So no, no it does not)

City Schools tend to be pretty lousy with a few spurts of decent play in between, especially in football. They simply can't come up with the resources to run with the big dogs with any regularity.

Louisville will have a few nice years here and there, but they're not going to be any kind of sleeping giant. If Corso actually said that, then you know it's wrong because Corso is pretty much a blathering idiot.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
Columbus and Louisville are roughly the same size so if Louisville counts as a "city" then I would say Ohio State has had success.

You are just so very unintelligent.

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
Travel expenses
Recruiting
TV sets

My god, you are a dumbass. Please refrain from posting in this thread.

penguinz
09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
Columbus and Louisville are roughly the same size so if Louisville counts as a "city" then I would say Ohio State has had success.LMAO

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
WVU gets better recruits and nearly 3x as many tv sets as TCU.

My point is that Dallas is a better recruiting hotbed than West Virginia. I know they must have produced some football players but I'm thinking they get most from Pennsylvania than from West Virginia. What is West Virginia's population compared to Dallas/Ft Worth?

KC native
09-26-2011, 01:11 PM
WVU gets better recruits and nearly 3x as many tv sets as TCU.

You're fucking nuts if you think they recruit better than TCU. TCU is competing with OU and Texas for recruits now. Now, they do beat us on tv sets.

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 01:12 PM
Name 3 city schools that have had sustained success in the last quarter century.

The U.

o:-)

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:14 PM
That "massive" LMAO tier 2 deal was with A&M and Mizzou in tow.

Mizzou is not at all a big reason for these huge football contracts. OU and Texas are driving those numbers. TA&M is not exactly a compelling powerhouse, either.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:15 PM
Name 3 city schools that have had sustained success in the last quarter century.

Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

KC native
09-26-2011, 01:15 PM
Also, anyone wanting TCU to go the the big 12, just stop. TCU hasn't worked to get this far to kiss UT's ass. TCU won't go to the big 12 nor does the big 12 want TCU

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 01:15 PM
Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

no.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:16 PM
no.

ok. ;)

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 01:17 PM
Also, anyone wanting TCU to go the the big 12, just stop. TCU hasn't worked to get this far to kiss UT's ass. TCU won't go to the big 12 nor does the big 12 want TCU

TCU had 33k show up to their game on Saturday.

Forgive me if I don't want a school in the Big XII that averages less fans than KU football.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:18 PM
Pitt too. They're not bad.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 01:18 PM
You're fucking nuts if you think they recruit better than TCU. TCU is competing with OU and Texas for recruits now. Now, they do beat us on tv sets.

Team recruiting rankings:
.......WVU TCU
2011 47 26
2010 27 46
2009 27 46
2008 42 NR
2007 23 NR

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:19 PM
Only if UCLA does...

(So no, no it does not)

City Schools tend to be pretty lousy with a few spurts of decent play in between, especially in football. They simply can't come up with the resources to run with the big dogs with any regularity.

Louisville will have a few nice years here and there, but they're not going to be any kind of sleeping giant. If Corso actually said that, then you know it's wrong because Corso is pretty much a blathering idiot.

UCLA is a city school. You can't define a result and then proclaim that UCLA's round peg doesn't fit the square hole you constructed.

You have state flagship schools and state land-grant schools, and BCS schools tend to fit under those two buckets. Then you have other major state schools, private schools, directional schools, and city schools. You can't include "they must suck" into the definition of city school.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 01:19 PM
My god, you are a dumbass. Please refrain from posting in this thread.

TCU > West Virginia > Kansas State

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:19 PM
Columbus and Louisville are roughly the same size so if Louisville counts as a "city" then I would say Ohio State has had success.

tOSU is not a city school.

KC native
09-26-2011, 01:20 PM
TCU had 33k show up to their game on Saturday.

Forgive me if I don't want a school in the Big XII that averages less fans than KU football.

33k showed up because we played an fcs school.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:21 PM
TCU had 33k show up to their game on Saturday.

Forgive me if I don't want a school in the Big XII that averages less fans than KU football.

oh please...

Average Attendance 2009 (the latest numbers I could find)

Texas... 101,175
Nebraska... 85,888
Oklahoma... 84,778
Texas A&M... 76,800
Missouri... 64,120
Oklahoma State... 53,719
Kansas... 50,581
Texas Tech... 50,249
Colorado... 50,088
Kansas State... 46,763
Iowa State... 46,242
Baylor... 36,306

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:21 PM
Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

BC would technically be a city school, but there's the fact that no - they haven't had much in the way of sustained success throughout their program's history.

BC is probably the best city school available and yet they've pretty much been career also-rans. They've had a few nice years in the last 5 or so, but just watch - they're in their 'up' cycle and they'll be back down in short order.

BC is the 'exception' that proves the rule. They're the best that the city schools have to offer and yet they're still a pretty mediocre program.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 01:22 PM
Mizzou is not at all a big reason for these huge football contracts. OU and Texas are driving those numbers. TA&M is not exactly a compelling powerhouse, either.

Really? Mizzou's 6 million residents and two top 30 metro cities are not a big deal in TV contract negotiations? Losing the second most popular school in Texas, which features 25 million residents, is not a big deal?

You should stick to starting Royals threads.

Saul Good
09-26-2011, 01:22 PM
Columbus and Louisville are roughly the same size so if Louisville counts as a "city" then I would say Ohio State has had success.

Are you referring to "THE Ohio City University"?

You are a dumbfuck.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:22 PM
BC would technically be a city school, but there's the fact that no - they haven't had much in the way of sustained success throughout their program's history.

BC is probably the best city school available and yet they've pretty much been career also-rans. They've had a few nice years in the last 5 or so, but just watch - they're in their 'up' cycle and they'll be back down in short order.

BC is the 'exception' that proves the rule. They're the best that the city schools have to offer and yet they're still a pretty mediocre program.

Pitt is better than BC I would think.

They are def a city school with success.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 01:23 PM
TCU > West Virginia > Kansas State

WVU has better recruiting and TV viewership than TCU. So, again, how is TCU > WVU?

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:23 PM
Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

They are a city school, but I'm not sure that they help your argument.

ChiefsCountry
09-26-2011, 01:23 PM
City Schools tend to be pretty lousy with a few spurts of decent play in between, especially in football. They simply can't come up with the resources to run with the big dogs with any regularity.


Louisville has a larger athletic budget than Mizzou does.

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:26 PM
Really? Mizzou's 6 million residents and two top 30 metro cities are not a big deal in TV contract negotiations? Losing the second most popular school in Texas, which features 25 million residents, is not a big deal?

You should stick to starting Royals threads.

Texas A&M is not even close to driving the bus in Texas. MU and TA&M are replaceable, in terms of not impacting the contract. People around the country are curious about OU and UT games. Hardly anyone outside the Midwest cares about Mizzou, and Kansas City is a KU town.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 01:27 PM
TCU isn't a better option than WVU?

Travel expenses?
Recruiting area?
TV?

Locking up the Dallas/Ft Worth area compared to West Virginia?

What am I missing?????

|Zach|
09-26-2011, 01:27 PM
Texas A&M is not even close to driving the bus in Texas. MU and TA&M are replaceable, in terms of not impacting the contract. People around the country are curious about OU and UT games. Hardly anyone outside the Midwest cares about Mizzou, and Kansas City is a KU town.

Who exactly...apples to apples will the B12 easily replace if Missouri where to leave.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:27 PM
They are a city school, but I'm not sure that they help your argument.

Point is that Louisville is very qualified to be in this conference and if were up to me they'd be one of the top schools targeted in order for the conference to get back to 10.

They have more accomplishments on the field than many of the schools in this conference. Not sure why being located in a city should be a deterrent.

Bambi
09-26-2011, 01:28 PM
Who exactly...apples to apples will the B12 easily replace if Missouri where to leave.

Louisville, BYU, TCU, etc etc

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:29 PM
Who exactly...apples to apples will the B12 easily replace if Missouri where to leave.

My argument is that Texas and OU account for well over 80% of the reason why the Big 12 can command huge contracts. Perhaps even over 90%.

To the extent that losing Mizzou or TA&M hurts at all, they are mostly replaceable (especially with BYU, which has a national following) for an almost-irrelevant slice.

DaKCMan AP
09-26-2011, 01:29 PM
TCU isn't a better option than WVU?

Travel expenses?
Recruiting area?
TV?

Locking up the Dallas/Ft Worth area compared to West Virginia?

What am I missing?????

You're missing that WVU gets better recruiting classes and has close to 3 times as much viewership as TCU.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 01:30 PM
Texas A&M is not even close to driving the bus in Texas. MU and TA&M are replaceable, in terms of not impacting the contract. People around the country are curious about OU and UT games. Hardly anyone outside the Midwest cares about Mizzou, and Kansas City is a KU town.

Exactly why MU should go to the SEC.

Saul Good
09-26-2011, 01:31 PM
1. Boston College doesn't have a history of sustained achievement in football.

2. They are a private Jesuit school.

3. The best examples of successful city schools are all in the Big East. They are only successful at all because they play each other.

Pitt Gorilla
09-26-2011, 01:31 PM
My argument is that Texas and OU account for well over 80% of the reason why the Big 12 can command huge contracts. Perhaps even over 90%.

To the extent that losing Mizzou or TA&M hurts at all, they are mostly replaceable (especially with BYU, which has a national following) for an almost-irrelevant slice.If true, that clears the legal obstacles to joining the SEC.

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:31 PM
Exactly why MU should go to the SEC.

where they will be about as relevant as Arkansas.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:32 PM
UCLA is a city school. You can't define a result and then proclaim that UCLA's round peg doesn't fit the square hole you constructed.

You have state flagship schools and state land-grant schools, and BCS schools tend to fit under those two buckets. Then you have other major state schools, private schools, directional schools, and city schools. You can't include "they must suck" into the definition of city school.

Eh, fine - they still suck at football.

You can have 'em if you want 'em. I would consider UCLA to be a 'regional' school more than a city school (Just as I would consider UNLV), but that's fine. I think of them as more of a "K-State" style program rather than, say, Memphis, but I'm not going to be picky. I mean technically Cal is Cal-Berkely, no? So is Cal a city school? I would certainly never consider them as such.

It doesn't seem that UCLA is a square peg at all, but again, I'll assume they are for the sake of argument.

The Bruins still can't hang with the big time programs with any regularity. They're a mediocre program with spurts of success.

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:32 PM
If true, that clears the legal obstacles to joining the SEC.

given that OU decided to stay? Yeah, pretty much. The contract wont fall apart with them in the conference, and so Baylor has no damages. All they have to worry about are exit fees.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 01:33 PM
Texas A&M is not even close to driving the bus in Texas. MU and TA&M are replaceable, in terms of not impacting the contract. People around the country are curious about OU and UT games. Hardly anyone outside the Midwest cares about Mizzou, and Kansas City is a KU town.

You clearly have no idea how TV contract negotiations work. Mizzou doesn't have to be the f'n Florida Gators for their loss to negatively impact the value of a TV contract due to the loss of eyeballs. The Big 12 will completely lose airtime in St. Louis, a top 20 metro area, while losing meaningful share in Dallas, Houston, and KC. Wake the f#ck up.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 01:33 PM
where they will be about as relevant as Arkansas.

Arkansas was in a BCS bowl game last year and is a top 15 program this year.

College football fans know Arkansas has a very good program.

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:34 PM
Eh, fine - they still suck at football.

You can have 'em if you want 'em. I would consider UCLA to be a 'regional' school more than a city school (Just as I would consider UNLV), but that's fine. I think of them as more of a "K-State" style program rather than, say, Memphis, but I'm not going to be picky. I mean technically Cal is Cal-Berkely, no? So is Cal a city school? I would certainly never consider them as such.

It doesn't seem that UCLA is a square peg at all, but again, I'll assume they are for the sake of argument.

The Bruins still can't hang with the big time programs with any regularity. They're a mediocre program with spurts of success.

Fair enough, I don't think anyone expects a city school to become the next Michigan or Florida. Just that a city school is not automatically a laugh-out-loud "what the hell?" choice. There aren't many, but there are a few of them who can at least pull their own ore.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 01:34 PM
You're missing that WVU gets better recruiting classes and has close to 3 times as much viewership as TCU.

I understand that WVU has better recruits but do they come from West Virginia? I guess I'm thinking Dallas/Ft Worth is more a football hotbed than Morgantown. I see what you are saying though.

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:36 PM
Arkansas was in a BCS bowl game last year and is a top 15 program this year.

College football fans know Arkansas has a very good program.

they have recently been good. In the last several years they have been a reliable 4-to-6 loss team. Sometimes average, sometimes good, occasionally bad.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 01:37 PM
where they will be about as relevant as Arkansas.

But be in a better conference. Wish KU & MU could go to the B1G together but that's not happening.

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:38 PM
Fair enough, I don't think anyone expects a city school to become the next Michigan or Florida. Just that a city school is not automatically a laugh-out-loud "what the hell?" choice. There aren't many, but there are a few of them who can at least pull their own ore.

And I'm not really saying that they're all dogshit - afterall, the world needs ditch-diggers too.

I am saying (and have said before), that there's a reason the metropolitan conference died. The city schools just don't draw the kind of prestige and following that the major state Us do. If the XII wanted to bring 1 in, okay I suppose that wouldn't be the end of the world (though I'd prefer avoid it). But damn, if they bring in Cincy, Memphis and Louisville - may as well just re-brand the Metro and call it a day.

It signals a watering down of the conference, IMO. I'd much prefer we avoid it. (Actually, I'd much prefer to get the hell out of dodge, but you knew that already)

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:39 PM
You clearly have no idea how TV contract negotiations work. Mizzou doesn't have to be the f'n Florida Gators for their loss to negatively impact the value of a TV contract due to the loss of eyeballs. The Big 12 will completely lose airtime in St. Louis, a top 20 metro area, while losing meaningful share in Dallas, Houston, and KC. Wake the f#ck up.

The networks have already basically told the Big 12 that if TA&M were to be replaced with BYU, they would have no problem with that at all. Central and East Missouri is not a bad market, but you have no national following, at all. OU, Texas, and a school like BYU does. (Kansas in basketball, but not football) They can sell those teams outside the midwest.

So yeah, Mizzou is replaceable.

|Zach|
09-26-2011, 01:39 PM
My argument is that Texas and OU account for well over 80% of the reason why the Big 12 can command huge contracts. Perhaps even over 90%.

To the extent that losing Mizzou or TA&M hurts at all, they are mostly replaceable (especially with BYU, which has a national following) for an almost-irrelevant slice.

But you didn't answer my question. Who exactly to you replace Missouri with. TV markets....solid programs.

I am not saying Missouri is a juggernaut that will bring the conference down but you are saying...they are easily replaced. Ok. With who?

|Zach|
09-26-2011, 01:40 PM
So yeah, Mizzou is replaceable.

Please...

Go on...

DeezNutz
09-26-2011, 01:40 PM
I'd be thrilled to sit back and let fans of other schools worry about how easily replaceable Missouri is or is not to a conference...after the institution leaves.

Deuces (I hope).

Frazod
09-26-2011, 01:40 PM
they have recently been good. In the last several years they have been a reliable 4-to-6 loss team. Sometimes average, sometimes good, occasionally bad.

Nice backpeddling, douche. LMAO

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:40 PM
You clearly have no idea how TV contract negotiations work. Mizzou doesn't have to be the f'n Florida Gators for their loss to negatively impact the value of a TV contract due to the loss of eyeballs. The Big 12 will completely lose airtime in St. Louis, a top 20 metro area, while losing meaningful share in Dallas, Houston, and KC. Wake the f#ck up.

Eh, the loss won't hurt that much.

The XII television contract is paying primarily for the national recognition of the flagship schools, not the handful of eyes in STL and KC.

It may hurt a little, but ultimately not a hell of a lot, IMO.

The XII will move on without MU and probably not bat an eye - until the PAC comes calling again and w/ more favorable terms the next time.

eazyb81
09-26-2011, 01:44 PM
The networks have already basically told the Big 12 that if TA&M were to be replaced with BYU, they would have no problem with that at all. Central and East Missouri is not a bad market, but you have no national following, at all. OU, Texas, and a school like BYU does. (Kansas in basketball, but not football) They can sell those teams outside the midwest.

So yeah, Mizzou is replaceable.

"Basically", huh? Where did you read that?

No one is comparing Mizzou to OU or Texas, so not sure what the point of that comment was for, but okay.

And again, your comments have all been to support why you think they will maintain the current contracts, when the comment you originally got your panties in a bunch about was when I suggested replacing A&M and Mizzou with rag tag teams like Louisville to get to 12 would not call for increasing tier 1 and 2 contracts meaningfully so as not to dilute the current teams. You've danced around this but have yet to provide any compelling reasons for this illogical viewpoint.

KChiefs1
09-26-2011, 01:45 PM
So yeah, Mizzou is replaceable.

Really? That kinda makes KU irrelevant doesn't it?

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 01:45 PM
I'd be thrilled to sit back and let fans of other schools worry about how easily replaceable Missouri is or is not to a conference...after the institution leaves.

Deuces (I hope).

Exactly.

And that's why I've decided that most of the Nubs fans are pretty much pricks. They sit around and get their rocks off on the struggles of the XII.

I don't really give a good god damn what happens to this conference if Mizzou leaves it. If they make more money without us than they would have with us - bully for them.

I only care about Mizzou. I'm not going to sit around and say "I hope we can bring KU along" or any of that mealy-mouthed crap. What I want to do is see Mizzou go to a stable program that will help this University, this community and our athletic programs take a step forward. That's it and that's all.

The XII can make as much money as it wants after we're gone, but I'm still going to be happier where we land.

alnorth
09-26-2011, 01:49 PM
But you didn't answer my question. Who exactly to you replace Missouri with. TV markets....solid programs.

I am not saying Missouri is a juggernaut that will bring the conference down but you are saying...they are easily replaced. Ok. With who?

I'm actually going to backtrack and admit I'm wrong. I don't know why I thought Mizzou wasn't important, probably something I mis-read a while ago. Missouri is more important (http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?src=tp) than I gave them credit for.

The Big 12 can probably replace Texas A&M and still command close to SEC/PAC12 money in 2016 when tier 1 comes up. They probably can not also lose Mizzou without taking some kind of a hit.

DeezNutz
09-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Exactly.

And that's why I've decided that most of the Nubs fans are pretty much pricks. They sit around and get their rocks off on the struggles of the XII.

I don't really give a good god damn what happens to this conference if Mizzou leaves it. If they make more money without us than they would have with us - bully for them.

I only care about Mizzou. I'm not going to sit around and say "I hope we can bring KU along" or any of that mealy-mouthed crap. What I want to do is see Mizzou go to a stable program that will help this University, this community and our athletic programs take a step forward. That's it and that's all.

The XII can make as much money as it wants after we're gone, but I'm still going to be happier where we land.

Preach on. While I certainly wouldn't begrudge anyone else success, I would be lying if I said that I wouldn't laugh just a bit when the next round of Big East/Mountain West rumors cause urine to trickle all over the midwest.

bandwagonjumper
09-26-2011, 02:14 PM
If I were a Missouri fan I'm not sure I would wish to join the SEC. I'm going from being the fourth or fifth best team in the Big XII to being the tenth or eleventh best team in the SEC but perhaps its time for Missouri to go back to its natural level which is bad to mediocre instead mediocre to good. Lets not forget that this is now the golden age of Missouri football.

notorious
09-26-2011, 02:16 PM
If I were a Missouri fan I'm not sure I would wish to join the SEC. I'm going from being the fourth or fifth best team in the Big XII to being the tenth or eleventh best team in the SEC but perhaps its time for Missouri to go back to its natural level which is bad to mediocre instead mediocre to good. Lets not forget that this is now the golden age of Missouri football.

Uh-oh.

mnchiefsguy
09-26-2011, 02:16 PM
Exactly.

And that's why I've decided that most of the Nubs fans are pretty much pricks. They sit around and get their rocks off on the struggles of the XII.

I don't really give a good god damn what happens to this conference if Mizzou leaves it. If they make more money without us than they would have with us - bully for them.

I only care about Mizzou. I'm not going to sit around and say "I hope we can bring KU along" or any of that mealy-mouthed crap. What I want to do is see Mizzou go to a stable program that will help this University, this community and our athletic programs take a step forward. That's it and that's all.

The XII can make as much money as it wants after we're gone, but I'm still going to be happier where we land.


Amen brother. I care about what happens to Mizzou. Whether the Big XII goes belly up, or becomes the richest conference in the country, it does not really matter to me. Especially considering that no matter how "stable" the Big XII becomes, it only takes someone calling on UT or OU to start the implosion again.

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 02:17 PM
I would ask that the word "basketball" be banned in this thread. Just don't even type the letters to spell the word.

Braincase
09-26-2011, 02:21 PM
Mizzou heading off to the SEC...visualized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbI5zcB8Ac

Saulbadguy
09-26-2011, 02:21 PM
Mizzou heading off to the SEC...visualized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbI5zcB8Ac

Ok - that's hilarious. :LOL:

DJ's left nut
09-26-2011, 02:25 PM
Mizzou heading off to the SEC...visualized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbI5zcB8Ac

Yeah - gotta tip the cap there.

notorious
09-26-2011, 02:26 PM
Mizzou heading off to the SEC...visualized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbI5zcB8Ac

ROFL

Reerun_KC
09-26-2011, 02:28 PM
Mizzou heading off to the SEC...visualized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VbI5zcB8Ac

dont forget to take the dog "shithead"