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HonestChieffan
09-19-2011, 10:58 AM
Love to see him do it


(National Journal) — President Obama warned he will veto any deficit plan brought to him by Congress that wasn’t ‘balanced’ between taxes and spending cuts.

‘We are not going to have a one-sided deal that hurts the folks who are most vulnerable,’ Obama said Monday morning, speaking from the Rose Garden.

The president argued, as he has repeatedly, that wealthier Americans ‘shouldn’t get a better deal than ordinary families.’

The president’s veto threat is a response to the hard line struck last week by House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, in a speech he delivered on the economy. Boehner said tax reform should be on the super committee’s agenda. But he ruled out any tax increases, saying they “are not a viable option for the joint committee.”

mlyonsd
09-19-2011, 11:07 AM
The only thing he has left for the 2012 election is the class warfare card.

And people might just be dumb enough to let him play it.

All he's worried about is his own skin. He really could give a chit about you or me.

mikey23545
09-19-2011, 11:22 AM
(National Journal) —

The president argued, as he has repeatedly, that wealthier Americans ‘shouldn’t get a better deal than ordinary families.’




Is he talking about those families that pay no income taxes at all every year? That 47% of all Americans who don't put a penny towards income tax revenue?

We have to make sure that 10% of the people who are paying 70% of the income taxes aren't getting a better deal than the 47% who pay nothing?

Have I got that right?

TEX
09-19-2011, 11:27 AM
The only thing he has left for the 2012 election is the class warfare card.

And people might just be dumb enough to let him play it.

All he's worried about is his own skin. He really could give a chit about you or me.

This.

stevieray
09-19-2011, 11:32 AM
....never seen a guy so consumed with other peoples money.

..and people wonder why he's called a Socialist?

ChiTown
09-19-2011, 01:27 PM
....never seen a guy so consumed with other peoples money.

..and people wonder why he's called a Socialist?

But, but, but, he's doing it for the betterment of the 'ordinary families'. I'm sure this has nothing to do with trying to increase the size of the US Gubment............

ClevelandBronco
09-19-2011, 01:48 PM
Is he talking about those families that pay no income taxes at all every year? That 47% of all Americans who don't put a penny towards income tax revenue?

We have to make sure that 10% of the people who are paying 70% of the income taxes aren't getting a better deal than the 47% who pay nothing?

Have I got that right?

Yeah, you have it right, but sounds all fucked up that way.

go bowe
09-19-2011, 10:13 PM
Is he talking about those families that pay no income taxes at all every year? That 47% of all Americans who don't put a penny towards income tax revenue?

We have to make sure that 10% of the people who are paying 70% of the income taxes aren't getting a better deal than the 47% who pay nothing?

Have I got that right?

is that 47% figure based on taxpayers (couldn't be), or is that like you say, all americans...

what i've read is that it's over 50% of all americans, which includes children, students and retirees...

something like 17% are too poor to pay taxes...

should taxes be paid by children, students and retirees with limited incomes?

HonestChieffan
09-19-2011, 10:23 PM
I believe it is 47% of wage earners....no babies, unemployed, etc.

TEX
09-19-2011, 10:27 PM
I believe it is 47% of wage earners....no babies, unemployed, etc.

This is correct.

FD
09-20-2011, 12:03 AM
This is correct.

No, its households, which includes elderly, unemployed, but not babies and probably not students.

patteeu
09-20-2011, 06:54 AM
is that 47% figure based on taxpayers (couldn't be), or is that like you say, all americans...

what i've read is that it's over 50% of all americans, which includes children, students and retirees...

something like 17% are too poor to pay taxes...

should taxes be paid by children, students and retirees with limited incomes?

No one is too poor to pay taxes unless their income is zero.

King_Chief_Fan
09-20-2011, 10:04 AM
Love to see him do it


(National Journal) — President Obama warned he will veto any deficit plan brought to him by Congress that wasn’t ‘balanced’ between taxes and spending cuts.

‘We are not going to have a one-sided deal that hurts the folks who are most vulnerable,’ Obama said Monday morning, speaking from the Rose Garden.

The president argued, as he has repeatedly, that wealthier Americans ‘shouldn’t get a better deal than ordinary families.’

The president’s veto threat is a response to the hard line struck last week by House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, in a speech he delivered on the economy. Boehner said tax reform should be on the super committee’s agenda. But he ruled out any tax increases, saying they “are not a viable option for the joint committee.”

I am not going to pretend to know all the impacts to increased taxes, but, the thought of wealthier individuals paying a less tax percentage than the average tax payer makes no sense.

patteeu
09-20-2011, 11:16 AM
I am not going to pretend to know all the impacts to increased taxes, but, the thought of wealthier individuals paying a less tax percentage than the average tax payer makes no sense.

It's not true.

Mr. Kotter
09-20-2011, 11:40 AM
No one is too poor to pay taxes unless their income is zero.

Of course you know that all people, including poor people pay a variety taxes--sales, property, excise, payroll--many of them quite regressive, in fact.

Of course, that doesn't deter the disingenuous and deceptive conservative demagoguery that federal income tax exemptions for those making less than a living wage....is somehow blanket amnesty from all taxes.

FTR, I'd agree a small tax should be imposed, and the generosity of some programs (the "earned income credit" for instance) should be debated....but don't let that detract you from your tea party talking points.

patteeu
09-20-2011, 12:01 PM
Of course you know that all people, including poor people pay a variety taxes--sales, property, excise, payroll--many of them quite regressive, in fact.

Of course, that doesn't deter the disingenuous and deceptive conservative demagoguery that federal income tax exemptions for those making less than a living wage....is somehow blanket amnesty from all taxes.

FTR, I'd agree a small tax should be imposed, and the generosity of some programs (the "earned income credit" for instance) should be debated....but don't let that detract you from your tea party talking points.

Simply saying "I agree" would have been less convoluted.

Mr. Kotter
09-20-2011, 12:04 PM
The only thing he has left for the 2012 election is the class warfare card.

And people might just be dumb enough to let him play it.

All he's worried about is his own skin. He really could give a chit about you or me.

People may "let him play it"....because it's true. Class warfare has been being waged on the middle class by the Republican party for the better part of the last two decades--led by talk radio, and their sheeples who have become the tea party. Average tea party types are too dumb to realize they have become pawns of a privileged elite ruling class, because they are mesmerized by appealing rhetoric of self-reliance and pious propaganda that conceals the chicanery and lies used to promote plutocracy in place of government by, for, and of the people.

If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If Republicans have insisted on becoming the party of the privileged elite, advocating policies which disproportionately benefit only those at the top at the expense of everyone else....why is anyone surprised that someone on the other side eventually calls a spade a spade? It is, what it is. You've asked for class warfare, and now you wanna cry that it's "unfair...."

Many of us rest easy knowing precisely how that will end.

Mr. Kotter
09-20-2011, 12:05 PM
Simply saying "I agree" would have been less convoluted.

And yet that would be entirely too simple, completely misleading....and incomplete. Of course, most of you tea party types like it that way. Simple, even if untrue.

2bikemike
09-20-2011, 12:07 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44592106/ns/politics-white_house/

Are rich taxed less than secretaries?

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama makes it sound as if there are millionaires all over America paying taxes at lower rates than their secretaries.

"Middle-class families shouldn't pay higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires," Obama said Monday. "That's pretty straightforward. It's hard to argue against that."

The data tell a different story. On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.


..There may be individual millionaires who pay taxes at rates lower than middle-income workers. In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service. That, however, was less than 1 percent of the nearly 237,000 returns with incomes above $1 million.

In his White House address Monday, Obama called on Congress to increase taxes by $1.5 trillion as part of a 10-year deficit reduction package totaling more than $3 trillion. He proposed that Congress overhaul the tax code and impose what he called the "Buffett rule," named for billionaire investor Warren Buffett.

The rule says, "People making more than $1 million a year should not pay a smaller share of their income in taxes than middle-class families pay."

"Warren Buffett's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There is no justification for it," Obama said. "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million."

.Buffett wrote in a recent piece for The New York Times that the tax rate he paid last year was lower than that paid by any of the other 20 people in his office.

This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes and payroll taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.

Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.

The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4 percent of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS.

Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9 percent in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3 percent.

Obama's claim hinges on the fact that, for high-income families and individuals, investment income is often taxed at a lower rate than wages. The top tax rate for dividends and capital gains is 15 percent. The top marginal tax rate for wages is 35 percent, though that is reserved for taxable income above $379,150.

With tax rates that high, why do so many people pay at lower rates? Because the tax code is riddled with more than $1 trillion in deductions, exemptions and credits, and they benefit people at every income level, according to data from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress' official scorekeeper on revenue issues.

The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46 percent of households, mostly low- and medium-income households, will pay no federal income taxes this year. Most, however, will pay other taxes, including Social Security payroll taxes.

"People who are doing quite well and worry about low-income people not paying any taxes bemoan the fact that they get so many tax breaks that they are zeroed out," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "People at the bottom of the distribution say, but all of those rich guys are getting bigger tax breaks than we're getting, which is also the case."

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was pressed at a White House briefing on the number of millionaires who pay taxes at a lower rate than middle-income families. He demurred, saying that people who make most of their money in wages pay taxes at a higher rate, while those who get most of their income from investments pay at lower rates.

"So it really depends on what is your profession, where's the source of your income, what's the specific circumstances you face, and the averages won't really capture that," Geithner said.

Mr. Kotter
09-20-2011, 12:10 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44592106/ns/politics-white_house/
....The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46 percent of households, mostly low- and medium-income households, will pay no federal income taxes this year. Most, however, will pay other taxes, including Social Security payroll taxes.....

Yup....the lies.

2bikemike
09-20-2011, 12:18 PM
Yup....the lies.

Who Lied?

ChiTown
09-20-2011, 12:25 PM
People may "let him play it"....because it's true. Class warfare has been being waged on the middle class by the Democratic party for the better part of the last six decades--led by the Major Networks, and their sheeples who have become the working class, and minority Democrats. Average Working Class and Minority types are too dumb to realize they have become pawns of snotty, elite Liberals, because they are mesmerized by appealing rhetoric of Government-reliance and pious propaganda that conceals the chicanery and lies used to promote their Socialistic agenda.

If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If Democrats have insisted on becoming the party of the Working Class and Minorities, advocating policies which disproportionately benefit only those at the bottom at the expense of anyone making over $250,000/yr....why is anyone surprised that someone on the other side eventually calls a spade a spade? It is, what it is. You've asked for class warfare, and now you wanna cry that it's "unfair...."

Many of us rest easy knowing precisely how that will end - BADLY. Especially for Obama and his ilk, as well as for all the dumbasses that voted for him, thinking there would actually be a chicken in every pot and new oven to cook it on. All of this, of course, paid for, and provided by Obamadollars - AKA - O.P.M..

fyp

patteeu
09-20-2011, 12:38 PM
People may "let him play it"....because it's true. Class warfare has been being waged on the middle class by the Republican party for the better part of the last two decades--led by talk radio, and their sheeples who have become the tea party. Average tea party types are too dumb to realize they have become pawns of a privileged elite ruling class, because they are mesmerized by appealing rhetoric of self-reliance and pious propaganda that conceals the chicanery and lies used to promote plutocracy in place of government by, for, and of the people.

If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If Republicans have insisted on becoming the party of the privileged elite, advocating policies which disproportionately benefit only those at the top at the expense of everyone else....why is anyone surprised that someone on the other side eventually calls a spade a spade? It is, what it is. You've asked for class warfare, and now you wanna cry that it's "unfair...."

Many of us rest easy knowing precisely how that will end.

Get a load of this Obama voter calling other people "sheeple" and "pawns" who've been "mesmerized". What a trip.

2bikemike
09-20-2011, 12:41 PM
fyp


Rep!

ClevelandBronco
09-20-2011, 12:49 PM
Your family had four cars. We didn't have one. It's not grand theft auto; It's math.

BucEyedPea
09-20-2011, 01:34 PM
What is really sad is that both the left's socialism and the right's mercantilism/corporatism ( soft fascism as in the public-private partnerships) create a false dichotomy. Socialism, progressivism is NOT the answer nor is what the right defends.

Of course many on the right are half-educated as they think what their side offers is free-market capitalism. It does not. The clash of the two sides creates the third way—the mixed economy. That is also a false choice, especially for a country based on liberty. The economic situation we're in currently, is the results of that third way.

So none of the Republican contenders will be able to fix the problem either.

Mr. Kotter
09-20-2011, 01:40 PM
fyp

I see what you did there...heh.

During the 60s and 70s....I would have agreed with your take. The 80s were a necessary reaction to correct those excesses. If the tea party and the current field of Republican candidates are any indication, this decade may yet become the necessary reaction to correct the Republican excesses of the last 15-20 years.

However, it's hard to see the swing of the pendulum, when one resides at the lunatic fringe.

Chief Faithful
09-20-2011, 01:41 PM
No one is too poor to pay taxes unless their income is zero.

With Obama no one is too poor to receive a tax rebate check.

mlyonsd
09-20-2011, 01:45 PM
People may "let him play it"....because it's true. Class warfare has been being waged on the middle class by the Republican party for the better part of the last two decades--led by talk radio, and their sheeples who have become the tea party. Average tea party types are too dumb to realize they have become pawns of a privileged elite ruling class, because they are mesmerized by appealing rhetoric of self-reliance and pious propaganda that conceals the chicanery and lies used to promote plutocracy in place of government by, for, and of the people.

If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If Republicans have insisted on becoming the party of the privileged elite, advocating policies which disproportionately benefit only those at the top at the expense of everyone else....why is anyone surprised that someone on the other side eventually calls a spade a spade? It is, what it is. You've asked for class warfare, and now you wanna cry that it's "unfair...."

Many of us rest easy knowing precisely how that will end.So in other words you agree Obama has no ****ing idea how to turn the economy around. Thanks for finally admitting it.

Because in reality this election will only be about the economy.

Chief Faithful
09-20-2011, 01:45 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44592106/ns/politics-white_house/

Are rich taxed less than secretaries?

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama makes it sound as if there are millionaires all over America paying taxes at lower rates than their secretaries.

"Middle-class families shouldn't pay higher taxes than millionaires and billionaires," Obama said Monday. "That's pretty straightforward. It's hard to argue against that."

The data tell a different story. On average, the wealthiest people in America pay a lot more taxes than the middle class or the poor, according to private and government data. They pay at a higher rate, and as a group, they contribute a much larger share of the overall taxes collected by the federal government.


..There may be individual millionaires who pay taxes at rates lower than middle-income workers. In 2009, 1,470 households filed tax returns with incomes above $1 million yet paid no federal income tax, according to the Internal Revenue Service. That, however, was less than 1 percent of the nearly 237,000 returns with incomes above $1 million.

In his White House address Monday, Obama called on Congress to increase taxes by $1.5 trillion as part of a 10-year deficit reduction package totaling more than $3 trillion. He proposed that Congress overhaul the tax code and impose what he called the "Buffett rule," named for billionaire investor Warren Buffett.

The rule says, "People making more than $1 million a year should not pay a smaller share of their income in taxes than middle-class families pay."

"Warren Buffett's secretary shouldn't pay a higher tax rate than Warren Buffett. There is no justification for it," Obama said. "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million."

.Buffett wrote in a recent piece for The New York Times that the tax rate he paid last year was lower than that paid by any of the other 20 people in his office.

This year, households making more than $1 million will pay an average of 29.1 percent of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes and payroll taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

Households making between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay 15 percent of their income in federal taxes.

Lower-income households will pay less. For example, households making between $40,000 and $50,000 will pay an average of 12.5 percent of their income in federal taxes. Households making between $20,000 and $30,000 will pay 5.7 percent.

The latest IRS figures are a few years older — and limited to federal income taxes — but show much the same thing. In 2009, taxpayers who made $1 million or more paid on average 24.4 percent of their income in federal income taxes, according to the IRS.

Those making $100,000 to $125,000 paid on average 9.9 percent in federal income taxes. Those making $50,000 to $60,000 paid an average of 6.3 percent.

Obama's claim hinges on the fact that, for high-income families and individuals, investment income is often taxed at a lower rate than wages. The top tax rate for dividends and capital gains is 15 percent. The top marginal tax rate for wages is 35 percent, though that is reserved for taxable income above $379,150.

With tax rates that high, why do so many people pay at lower rates? Because the tax code is riddled with more than $1 trillion in deductions, exemptions and credits, and they benefit people at every income level, according to data from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, Congress' official scorekeeper on revenue issues.

The Tax Policy Center estimates that 46 percent of households, mostly low- and medium-income households, will pay no federal income taxes this year. Most, however, will pay other taxes, including Social Security payroll taxes.

"People who are doing quite well and worry about low-income people not paying any taxes bemoan the fact that they get so many tax breaks that they are zeroed out," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "People at the bottom of the distribution say, but all of those rich guys are getting bigger tax breaks than we're getting, which is also the case."

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was pressed at a White House briefing on the number of millionaires who pay taxes at a lower rate than middle-income families. He demurred, saying that people who make most of their money in wages pay taxes at a higher rate, while those who get most of their income from investments pay at lower rates.

"So it really depends on what is your profession, where's the source of your income, what's the specific circumstances you face, and the averages won't really capture that," Geithner said.

It seems Obama is intentionally confusing the difference between income tax and capital gains tax. Warren Buffet has a very low income with very high gains in his net worth. As been said many times before taxing income is not the same thing as taxing wealth.

Mr. Kotter
09-20-2011, 01:51 PM
...Because in reality this election will only be about the economy.

Convincing the people of that lie is the only prayer the Republicans have, I agree.

Chief Faithful
09-20-2011, 01:54 PM
Get a load of this Obama voter calling other people "sheeple" and "pawns" who've been "mesmerized". What a trip.

I couldn't get past how he was blaming class warfare on Republicans.

mlyonsd
09-20-2011, 01:58 PM
Convincing the people of that lie is the only prayer the Republicans have, I agree.Let's run this through the Kotter Decoder......"I got nothing".

KC Dan
09-20-2011, 02:05 PM
However, it's hard to see the swing of the pendulum, when one resides at the lunatic fringe.Try looking harder from there! :D

go bowe
09-20-2011, 02:09 PM
have the tables turned?

would obama's threat/use of the veto have the same effect as the repubs being pretty much in control during the debt crisis?

iow, is it possible that he is the one who will have a stranglehold on the negotiations for deficit reduction since he can in fact veto any deal that he finds unacceptable?

Calcountry
09-20-2011, 02:26 PM
The only thing he has left for the 2012 election is the class warfare card.

And people might just be dumb enough to let him play it.

All he's worried about is his own skin. He really could give a chit about you or me.The Democrat party, is racist. They want to throw Obama under the bus. And after all his number one constituency did for them, ALL THESE YEARS! The Jews threw him under the bus in NY, so, I ask you Democratic coalition: What's it gonna be?

Calcountry
09-20-2011, 02:54 PM
What is really sad is that both the left's socialism and the right's mercantilism/corporatism ( soft fascism as in the public-private partnerships) create a false dichotomy. Socialism, progressivism is NOT the answer nor is what the right defends.

Of course many on the right are half-educated as they think what their side offers is free-market capitalism. It does not. The clash of the two sides creates the third way—the mixed economy. That is also a false choice, especially for a country based on liberty. The economic situation we're in currently, is the results of that third way.

So none of the Republican contenders will be able to fix the problem either.You should run for president, I mean, you have all the answers.

Mr. Kotter
09-21-2011, 08:37 AM
What is really sad is that both the left's socialism and the right's mercantilism/corporatism ( soft fascism as in the public-private partnerships) create a false dichotomy. Socialism, progressivism is NOT the answer nor is what the right defends.

Of course many on the right are half-educated as they think what their side offers is free-market capitalism. It does not. The clash of the two sides creates the third way—the mixed economy. That is also a false choice, especially for a country based on liberty. The economic situation we're in currently, is the results of that third way.

So none of the Republican contenders will be able to fix the problem either.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The preamble to our Constitution includes a much more complete perspective of what this country is built upon, than the narrow, myopic, and jaded view you offer BEP. The major short-coming of the libertarian and conservative over-emphasis on liberty....is the blatant disregard and ignorance of the counter balancing priniciples (general welfare and domestic tranquility) that they seem to ignore.

Liberty is quite important, but it is not supreme. Individual freedom is always, and forever, constrained by its relativity to the rights of others.

Calcountry
09-21-2011, 01:09 PM
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The preamble to our Constitution includes a much more complete perspective of what this country is built upon, than the narrow, myopic, and jaded view you offer BEP. The major short-coming of the libertarian and conservative over-emphasis on liberty....is the blatant disregard and ignorance of the counter balancing priniciples (general welfare and domestic tranquility) that they seem to ignore.

Liberty is quite important, but it is not supreme. Individual freedom is always, and forever, constrained by its relativity to the rights of others. And Soft Tyranny, is when you trust your security(health care, social, income, etc.) to a federal government.

Mr. Kotter
09-22-2011, 11:12 AM
And Soft Tyranny, is when you trust your security(health care, social, income, etc.) to a federal government.

Never, ever, have I entrusted my own security to the government; nor should anyone. However, the real tyranny comes from those who would ignore Constitutional obligations to protect the general welfare--and it is nothing more than a device and an excuse for allowing the privileged and the elite to engage in unbridled greed at the expense of the rest of society.

go bowe
09-22-2011, 12:34 PM
Never, ever, have I entrusted my own security to the government; nor should anyone. However, the real tyranny comes from those who would ignore Constitutional obligations to protect the general welfare--and it is nothing more than a device and an excuse for allowing the privileged and the elite to engage in unbridled greed at the expense of the rest of society.

unbridled greed...

sounds about right...

patteeu
09-22-2011, 12:49 PM
Yeah, it's not greedy at all to run up a huge debt and then assault the rich guy's house like a third world death squad to force him to pay the bill at gunpoint.*

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* I'm trying out new ways of avoiding the use of the phrase "class warfare" to keep Direckshun happy.

go bowe
09-22-2011, 12:57 PM
Yeah, it's not greedy at all to run up a huge debt and then assault the rich guy's house like a third world death squad to force him to pay the bill at gunpoint.*

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* I'm trying out new ways of avoiding the use of the phrase "class warfare" to keep Direckshun happy.

unbridled greed is a phenomenon of both parties...

third world death squad?

gunpoint?

besides, returning to the pre-bush rates will not pay the bill...

it only covers the salad...

Mr. Kotter
09-22-2011, 01:50 PM
.... like a third world death squad to force him to pay the bill at gunpoint.*... .

Hyperbole, much?

I mean, come on....a Keystone cop with a nightstick trying to persuade the bankers to give bank customers their money back that banks feel entitled to siphon and pilfer from their deposits....is a much closer analogy.

Yeah, raising taxes in a very modest fashion (historically speaking,) ain't even in the ballpark of death squad....but, whatever. Heh.

mlyonsd
09-22-2011, 01:57 PM
Hyperbole, much?

I mean, come on....a Keystone cop with a nightstick ...It is heartening to see you've finally come to the same conclusion as the rest of us.

go bowe
09-22-2011, 02:27 PM
It is heartening to see you've finally come to the same conclusion as the rest of us.

pfffffffffffffffft...

everybody knows obama doesn't carry a nightstick...

or for that matter, any stick at all... :huh: