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tooge
09-19-2011, 02:25 PM
Here are some of the most important games for us chiefs fans for the rest of the year. If they fall favorably for us, the chiefs get Luck, if not, well, I'd rather not think about it. Here are some of the games (look up the dates yourselves you lazy bastards)
KC/IND (this may be THE ONE)
MIA/CLE
SF/CIN
SF/SEA
JAX/CAR
STL/SEA
CAR/IND
DEN/MIA
SEA/CLE
IND/CIN
JAC/IND
MIA/KC
STL/CLE

Thats pretty much most of the cellar teams like our chiefs playing each other. We need as many chiefs losses and as many others wins as possible.

Old Dog
09-19-2011, 02:28 PM
From CBSSports on this topic

Chasing Andrew Luck (Plus Odds)
Chiefs (2/5): The schedule is brutal down the stretch.
Colts (2/1): As Pete Prisco likes to say, the snake has no head.
Seahawks (3/1): Seen Pete Carroll screw up too many things to think he can get picking up Luck right. Still, this team is bad.
Jaguars (5/1): Yeah, they've got a win, but they're throwing out Gabbert now. We hope. Which is awkward.
Dolphins (7/1): Surely they can't be this bad.

BigRichard
09-19-2011, 02:31 PM
No team is gonna go 0-16. No matter how bad they are. It is almost as difficult as going 16-0. It will be interesting to see how the year plays out. Right now I think the stink is worse between the Chiefs, Colts, and the Seahawks. But it is still early in the season and weird things can happen.

4th and Long
09-19-2011, 02:41 PM
No team is gonna go 0-16. No matter how bad they are. It is almost as difficult as going 16-0. It will be interesting to see how the year plays out. Right now I think the stink is worse between the Chiefs, Colts, and the Seahawks. But it is still early in the season and weird things can happen.
It can be done! 0-14 followed by 2 more consecutives losses to start the season! - The 1976-77 Tampa Bay Bucs.

Detoxing
09-19-2011, 02:44 PM
The Jags shouldn't even be allowed in this conversation. FFS, they just drafted a 1st rnd QB a few months ago.

Seattle
KC
Indy





Miami

DJ's left nut
09-19-2011, 02:45 PM
It can be done! 0-14 followed by 2 more consecutives losses to start the season! - The 1976-77 Tampa Bay Bucs.

Uh...the Lions went full boat 0-16 like 3 seasons ago.

This seems like a somewhat obscure point you're making here.

alnorth
09-19-2011, 02:46 PM
From CBSSports on this topic

Chasing Andrew Luck (Plus Odds)
Chiefs (2/5): The schedule is brutal down the stretch.
Colts (2/1): As Pete Prisco likes to say, the snake has no head.
Seahawks (3/1): Seen Pete Carroll screw up too many things to think he can get picking up Luck right. Still, this team is bad.
Jaguars (5/1): Yeah, they've got a win, but they're throwing out Gabbert now. We hope. Which is awkward.
Dolphins (7/1): Surely they can't be this bad.

2:5 odds are rather high

DJ's left nut
09-19-2011, 02:46 PM
The Jags shouldn't even be allowed in this conversation. FFS, they just drafted a 1st rnd QB a few months ago.

Seattle
KC
Indy





Miami

Miami has actually looked pretty decent in both of their games - they just lost to good teams.

If Miami is still playing like this when they get to Arrowhead, they'll probably kick our ass. They're a decent football team.

You have your list o' 3 right, IMO. Thank God the Hags are in a lousy division, or they'd be a cinch for this thing. Those guys are terrible

suds79
09-19-2011, 02:50 PM
Here's what I see with Seattle.

Games where it's possible they could win:

Week 8 Home vs Bengals. Yes the Bengals looked decent this last week but they still have a rookie QB. Anything can happen.

Week 12 Home vs Redskins. Their QB is Rex Grossman. It's possible.

Week 14 Home vs Rams

Week 16 Home vs 49ers

4th and Long
09-19-2011, 03:08 PM
Uh...the Lions went full boat 0-16 like 3 seasons ago.

This seems like a somewhat obscure point you're making here.
Were you even alive in 76-77?

DJ's left nut
09-19-2011, 03:43 PM
Were you even alive in 76-77?

No I was not...so?

Again - why bother pointing to an expansion team that took 2 seasons to go 16-0 as your proof that a 16-0 team is manageable when there's an actual 16-0 team that's actually happened in the last 5 years.

Though once again - you've done an excellent job of not making any sense.

HemiEd
09-19-2011, 03:48 PM
No I was not...so?

Again - why bother pointing to an expansion team that took 2 seasons to go 16-0 as your proof that a 16-0 team is manageable when there's an actual 16-0 team that's actually happened in the last 5 years.

Though once again - you've done an excellent job of not making any sense.

Why didn't it make sense? They lost 16 games in a row, not really that hard. Did he say they were the only team to ever do it? No.

lcarus
09-19-2011, 03:52 PM
Were you even alive in 76-77?

I like that game over sig. It's like starting a new game of Mario. You don't necessarily expect to go all the way when you first start, but you know for damn sure when you die from the first goomba 6 times in a row...you ain't goin all the way.

whoman69
09-19-2011, 03:57 PM
So our only hope is to be the worst team in the league?

lcarus
09-19-2011, 04:20 PM
So our only hope is to be the worst team in the league?

Yes. We need to draft a potentially great QB because a great QB can hide a lot of deficiencies on a team. Christ look at the Colts. With Peyton they're Super Bowl contenders. Without him they're contending to be the worst team in the league. That's how much difference a QB can potentially make. So we need to lose to get the best bet out there.

Shaid
09-19-2011, 04:21 PM
No I was not...so?

Again - why bother pointing to an expansion team that took 2 seasons to go 16-0 as your proof that a 16-0 team is manageable when there's an actual 16-0 team that's actually happened in the last 5 years.

Though once again - you've done an excellent job of not making any sense.

I'm with DJ on this one but honestly, who cares? Suck is suck. Let's move on.

Sucky
09-19-2011, 04:28 PM
The COlts are the team I am most worried about. Seriously, they are NOTHING without Manning.

As far as the Seahawks go, lets hope that dumbass Pete Carroll drafts Barkley because he coached him at USC lol

Fish
09-19-2011, 04:33 PM
So our only hope is to be the worst team in the league?

Not our only hope by any means. But our best hope.

I still don't think I could ever bring myself to wish for a Chiefs loss though.

lcarus
09-19-2011, 04:36 PM
Not our only hope by any means. But our best hope.

I still don't think I could ever bring myself to wish for a Chiefs loss though.

I'm deflated after those first 2 games. Hoping for a win just seems stupid to me now. What's the point? We clearly aren't gonna win many games. So if I'm not rooting for them to win because I know how bad they are, I might as well hope we lose so we have a better chance at winning next year and the years in the future. The more we lose, the better prospect QB we get.

Fish
09-19-2011, 04:42 PM
I'm deflated after those first 2 games. Hoping for a win just seems stupid to me now. What's the point? We clearly aren't gonna win many games. So if I'm not rooting for them to win because I know how bad they are, I might as well hope we lose so we have a better chance at winning next year and the years in the future. The more we lose, the better prospect QB we get.

Ehhh.. They'll be fine either way. It's not like Luck guarantees a Superbowl or anything. I'd do fucking cartwheels if we did happen to get him. But I just can't bring myself to root for failure.

The good thing though, is that the Chiefs look like they're really good at failing all by themselves. As long as Cassel continues his progression with the team, we'll be fine. LMAO...

whoman69
09-19-2011, 04:46 PM
Yes. We need to draft a potentially great QB because a great QB can hide a lot of deficiencies on a team. Christ look at the Colts. With Peyton they're Super Bowl contenders. Without him they're contending to be the worst team in the league. That's how much difference a QB can potentially make. So we need to lose to get the best bet out there.

Is that what the Packers, Steelers, Saints and Patriots did? How did that work out for the Browns, 49ers, Texans and Raiders? In fact of all the # pick QB recently, name one besides Peyton that took their team to the SB. Before Manning you have to go back to Troy Aikman for a QB that took the team that drafted them #1 overall to the Super Bowl. So hoping that your team sucks enough to be worst team in the league is an idea that sucks.

Rams Fan
09-19-2011, 04:47 PM
You just called the Rams a cellar team when they are 0-1 and haven't played Game #2 yet?

Phobia
09-19-2011, 04:50 PM
You just called the Rams a cellar team when they are 0-1 and haven't played Game #2 yet?

Yes.

Rams Fan
09-19-2011, 04:51 PM
Yes.

Okay.

Easy 6
09-19-2011, 04:52 PM
As long as Bradford hasnt been a total mirage thus far, the rams days in the cellar are over.

What i wouldnt give to have him in KC.

lcarus
09-19-2011, 04:56 PM
Is that what the Packers, Steelers, Saints and Patriots did? How did that work out for the Browns, 49ers, Texans and Raiders? In fact of all the # pick QB recently, name one besides Peyton that took their team to the SB. Before Manning you have to go back to Troy Aikman for a QB that took the team that drafted them #1 overall to the Super Bowl. So hoping that your team sucks enough to be worst team in the league is an idea that sucks.

I know what you're saying. You're right. Drafting a QB #1 overall doesn't always work out, but if we're gonna be bad (which....we're a terrible terrible team now especially with our injuries) why not be the worst? There are other QBs to get, I understand that. I just want the best bet. Luck is that guy. I'll take my chances with him.

lcarus
09-19-2011, 04:57 PM
Is that what the Packers, Steelers, Saints and Patriots did? How did that work out for the Browns, 49ers, Texans and Raiders? In fact of all the # pick QB recently, name one besides Peyton that took their team to the SB. Before Manning you have to go back to Troy Aikman for a QB that took the team that drafted them #1 overall to the Super Bowl. So hoping that your team sucks enough to be worst team in the league is an idea that sucks.

Also you should check this out. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=75 Lots of failures there, but some good/great ones too. Nothing is guaranteed in sports, but you gotta take the best bet every time.

Von Dumbass
09-19-2011, 05:00 PM
Elway has ties to Stanford I bet he could get Luck to force a trade to Denver if he wants to.

lcarus
09-19-2011, 05:03 PM
Elway has ties to Stanford I bet he could get Luck to force a trade to Denver if he wants to.

Well just remember when Eli Manning forced that trade, the Chargers ended up with Philip Rivers. So maybe it wouldn't be the end of the world.

zonachief
09-19-2011, 05:12 PM
Is that what the Packers, Steelers, Saints and Patriots did? How did that work out for the Browns, 49ers, Texans and Raiders? In fact of all the # pick QB recently, name one besides Peyton that took their team to the SB. Before Manning you have to go back to Troy Aikman for a QB that took the team that drafted them #1 overall to the Super Bowl. So hoping that your team sucks enough to be worst team in the league is an idea that sucks.

I understand your point, but the logic behind the "very few number one overall qbs win superbowls", statement is flawed. Its a pure numbers game. Since the superbowl era began there have been roughly 20 number one overall qbs taken #1. And all the other qbs taken with the number two overall pick and after have far greater odds to win the big one.

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lcarus
09-19-2011, 05:16 PM
I understand your point, but the logic behind the "very few number one overall qbs win superbowls", statement is flawed. Its a pure numbers game. Since the superbowl era began there have been roughly 20 number one overall qbs taken #1. And all the other qbs taken with the number two overall pick and after have far greater odds to win the big one.

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A lot of great QBs have come in the first round, no matter what pick. That is an obvious statement, but my point is, no matter where we land in the draft, we have to take a QB with our first pick. It's gonna be a low pick. I don't give a shit if ESPNs retarded little draft shopping list has the next available QB projected at 10 and we're sitting #4. We take him. It's way past due for this franchise to take a chance on a first round QB.

whoman69
09-19-2011, 05:36 PM
I know what you're saying. You're right. Drafting a QB #1 overall doesn't always work out, but if we're gonna be bad (which....we're a terrible terrible team now especially with our injuries) why not be the worst? There are other QBs to get, I understand that. I just want the best bet. Luck is that guy. I'll take my chances with him.

Because the worst team usually have worse problems than just a QB. There is also going to be a learning curve for a rookie QB. Peyton won 3 games as a rookie, although guys like Rothliesburger and Ryan have bucked that trend, I don't think anyone would argue there weren't growing pains. Rothliesburger was a hand off QB and the Falcons also had one of the best run games in the league to help out Ryan.

If the Chiefs are the worst team in the league, Luck is a no-brainer. He's probably the closest thing to a sure thing there has been in awhile since he came back for his senior season and works with a pro style offense. If we get Luck or go with Stanzi we are going to need some additional tools around them. We cannot continue to try to use a butter knife as a screwdriver and call it good. This team has way too many holes to be a championship contender even if we find a QB.

Detoxing
09-19-2011, 05:38 PM
Because the worst team usually have worse problems than just a QB. There is also going to be a learning curve for a rookie QB. Peyton won 3 games as a rookie, although guys like Rothliesburger and Ryan have bucked that trend, I don't think anyone would argue there weren't growing pains. Rothliesburger was a hand off QB and the Falcons also had one of the best run games in the league to help out Ryan.

If the Chiefs are the worst team in the league, Luck is a no-brainer. He's probably the closest thing to a sure thing there has been in awhile since he came back for his senior season and works with a pro style offense. If we get Luck or go with Stanzi we are going to need some additional tools around them. We cannot continue to try to use a butter knife as a screwdriver and call it good. This team has way too many holes to be a championship contender even if we find a QB.

And what are those holes, oh wise one?

58kcfan89
09-19-2011, 11:33 PM
Am I the only one who looked at KnowMo's post & wanted to reply, then saw who posted it & restrained myself?



Anyway, if any of those teams get more than 3 wins, you can pretty much take them out of the race. 0-16, 1-15 or 2-14 will be a good chance, but 3-13 or better is unlikely to net pick #1. Unless I missed something & Indy ruled out Peyton for the year, I could see him coming back & getting them a W or 3 at the end of the year. Miami's a decent team and should get some wins, but we play them and assuming we lose, can knock them down a peg. Most of the other teams listed just drafted a QB and likely wouldn't take Luck IMO (barring injury, or just really really really crappy play from their rookie QB).

Seattle's our biggest competition & my main concern, but since they play in such a garbage division, I can see them putting together 4 or so wins. Plus, Petey recruited/coached Barkley at USC and hasn't exactly made the most shrewd football moves since taking over in Seattle. I'm not saying he'd definitely take Barkley over Luck if given the chance, but there's a possibility IMO.

NJChiefsFan
09-20-2011, 01:46 AM
Elway has ties to Stanford I bet he could get Luck to force a trade to Denver if he wants to.

So first you keep saying we aren't bad enough to get Luck. Now that we basically proved that we are in it for the long haul this is your next step?

First off wouldn't SF be the better bet for Luck throwing a fit?

Second, IF the Chiefs got the #1 pick there is NO way under any circumstances they would trade him to Denver.

NJChiefsFan
09-20-2011, 01:48 AM
Am I the only one who looked at KnowMo's post & wanted to reply, then saw who posted it & restrained myself?


.

I hesitated, did it anyway. I have not been here that long, but not trying to be funny, when I read his posts in my head its the voice of a 16yr old.

ChiefGator
09-20-2011, 03:02 AM
Here's what I see with Seattle.

Games where it's possible they could win:

Week 8 Home vs Bengals. Yes the Bengals looked decent this last week but they still have a rookie QB. Anything can happen.

Week 12 Home vs Redskins. Their QB is Rex Grossman. It's possible.

Week 14 Home vs Rams

Week 16 Home vs 49ers

I think you are overrating the Cardinals, and Browns by leaving them off that list.

And eventually Whitehurst will be inserted at QB and that team will then look ALOT better. Jackson is THAT bad.

ChiefGator
09-20-2011, 03:05 AM
Unless I missed something & Indy ruled out Peyton for the year, I could see him coming back & getting them a W or 3 at the end of the year.

He's not coming back, but Collins and that team have to much pride to lose. Kerry Collins is still learning that offense. Either he will improve or Painter will be put in. They have alot of talent.. they will end up winning more games than us. Obviously, for anyone playing for the #1 pick, the Indy game ends up being huge. It's also the next game we have a chance of winning though.


Miami's a decent team and should get some wins, but we play them and assuming we lose, can knock them down a peg.

Yeah, they are a good team. They will begin winning at some point.

ngoc
09-20-2011, 03:05 AM
Pretty much only watch Netflix nowadays, with the occasional trip to the video store for some newer stuff.